Higher Learning with Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay - Pam Bondi Fired, the Kidnapping of Gucci Mane, and Underage Dating: Brandy and Wanya Morris

Episode Date: April 3, 2026

Van and Rachel discuss the firing of Attorney General Pam Bondi and revelations about former DHS Secretary Kristi Noem’s husband before reacting to the arrest of Pooh Shiesty. Plus a discussion of Jaden Ivey, Brandy and Wanya Morris’s relationship and Deontay Wilder’s wild comments. (0:00) Intro (0:54) AG Pam Bondi fired (26:06) Trump’s prime-time address (43:19) Kristi Noem’s husband and ‘bimbofication’ (1:09:33) Pooh Shiesty’s arrest (1:26:42) Jaden Ivey waived after IG posts (1:41:50) Brandy and Wanya Morris (2:07:55) Deontay Wilder viral statements Hosts: Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay Producers: Donnie Beacham Jr. and Jade Whaley Social Producer: Bernard Moore Video Supervision: Chris Thomas and Jacob Cornett Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Yo, yo, yo, thought warriors. What is up? How I Learning is on. It is I, Van Lathen, Jr. And it is me, Rachel and Lindsay. We should start doing the intro to camera. Sometimes I do. But I feel like we're always, like, moving when we start.

You know, because, like, when you're ready to go, you're ready to go. You're like, what's up, guys? We all. Let's try it again. Let's do it to camera. Rachel do it to her camera. I'll do it to my camera. Let's see how this works.

This is visual. If you're not watching on YouTube or Spotify, you can't. I can't see this. Hold on. I got to put the glasses on for this. I've heard the... Yo, yo, yo, thought warriors. What is up? Hire Learning is on. It is I Van Lathen, Jr. And it's me, Rachel and Lindsay. Nigger time. Okay. So we have to start with breaking news. It looks like Pam Bondi has been fired as Attorney General. She's out. She's done. Fuck out. Bye. But we knew it was coming. I didn't think she was going to last the full term. Did you? No, I mean, Trump normally treats these cabinet-level people, kind of like he treated his wives.

And what is that? Disposable? Yeah. You know, use you for your youthfulness, like when you have used to him and then kick you out, have kids with somebody new. I know in the first term it wasn't just women, but I'm just saying, like, I think that's just a general, just in general, how Trump treats women. no respect, no regard. Like, they're disposable. Like, they come and go. She served a purpose.

You pointed it out when we were talking about Christenone, which I believe, was that breaking news too when we were on the podcast? I don't know. But when we were talking about Christyneone, we started talking about the women who are front-facing in these positions, and that's all they seem to be. They seem to be there to serve a purpose. And it's really they're just the face. And the men behind them are the ones pulling the strings.

And really the ones, I mean, they're all, they're all, they're all, corrupt, but... Who's all corrupt? I mean, I think all these people that are in this administration are corrupt, but I'm saying that the people behind them seem to be the ones making the decisions and the women

seem to be out front. I mean, it's already being reported as well. Tulsi Gabbard might be out as well. Another one. Another one bites the dust. Yeah. Yeah. So, once again, Trump,

it's more important for Donald Trump to have people around him that are subordinate to him that can do two things. Number one, that can be people who launder his reputation at all times. Get out there no matter what's happening. President Trump is the greatest. President Trump is fantastic. President Trump's leadership led me to refinancing my second home with a fantastic

great. President Trump's leadership led me to be able to experience the joys of raw milk and flying first class into the coach. It was President Trump's leadership. that allow my kid's soccer team to win their division with a gold differential of plus five. And so that's everything that happens is President Trump's leadership, the stars, the stars.

Sure, sure. Everything, quasars, different types of situations, black holes, wormholes, all of this interstellar Christopher Nolan, whatever you, Oppenheimer, all of that stuff due to President Trump's leadership. His leadership that got us to that path to be able to see Bain in the Dark Night Rises. That's what they do.

Whatever it is. Throw me something. And I'll tell you how it was President Trump's leadership that got us there. Give me an idea. Throw you anything. Any, just throw it out there. Ah, I'm trying to think of. Sinners winning the Oscar.

President Trump's leadership. How? Because that happened in the UK. Okay. That's how I got started. I'm not sure how I quite, oh. Got started at the Baptist, right?

Got started at the Baptist. Now, with the guy in the audience at the Baptist would have felt like he had the free speech to say the N-word, if not for President Trump's leadership on like opening up free speech to say the N-word on Twitter where the N-word went through the roof, okay, follow me. Okay, I am. Then the N-word kind of, you know, demystified, you know, uncensored. He says the N-word. People go, oh, my God, it's terrible for sinners.

Mike wins that night. There's a groundswell. President Trump's leadership influenced that. influence what happened at the Oscars as the town went, hey, that's so terrible what happened to sinners to Michael B. Jordan, then he wins, President Trump's leadership. I also say this, because I don't believe that, because I believe that Michael B. Jordan gave the best performance of last year, and he deserved to win. But I'll say this, it could also be looked at as President Trump's leadership to get that in the first place, because President Trump is a deep believer,

deep believer in sin, in historical racism, in niggas on plantations, and all of those things, which helps people understand the consciousness of that movie. All right. The racialisms of it comes back. Prison and Trump's leadership. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Wow. Wow.

You did it. So that's what they do. Yeah. But then after you're done doing that, you're out. You're out. Everybody serves a purpose. You're out. Yeah, I mean, all right, Bondi's out.

Bondi's out. Gabber's out. Like, he cycles through them. Do you think, though, it is because we're not really done with the Epstein, files and let's just say, you know, we'll get into Trump addressing the nation, but let's just say we do pull out of the war next week, right? Let's just say we do. Let's just say magically gas prices go down, all the things that Trump believes he accomplished so quickly in Venezuela he was able to do in Iran. Let's just say that, right? Best case scenario for Trump and his

administration. People are going to come back to the Epstein files. They'll eventually find their way back there, right? Because we know that among other things as to why we entered this war, one of them is a distraction. So now what? Because Pam Bondi was leading the charge. Pam Bondi was the one who was going toe to toe with the Senate, was going toe to toe to toe with congressmen and women. And I mean, she really made that her mission. That's her legacy right there. That is literally it. So now who takes the reins? Who's going to do that? Because we will come back to the Epstein files. I don't think that despite what the Trump administration

thinks that they throw in a bunch of distractions our way, I do think people are so invested that we will circle back. We still have over two years left for him to be in office. What do you think, what happen? You think he can't bring her back. Bring who back? Pam. No, no, no, no, no. Whoever he puts in that role is going to act

exactly the way that he wants him to. Because if there's anything that... Want to be Blanche? Well, I mean, look, some are saying that Lee Zeldon might take over his agent. It might take Lee Zeldon off the EPA, put Lee Zeldon in there. It seems as if these high-profile Republicans, they don't read good. Like the Zoolander School for kids who don't read good.

So they can't read the accounts of people that have come before them. They can't read the accounts of Scaramucci or Cohen or Flynn or Flynn or Bolton. Some of these guys are like grotesque, right? or Mike Pence, who, you know, the president's in an angry mob into the capital, they want to hang Mike Pence. Seems like those accounts, they don't read good. It really seems like America, in a way, don't read good. We put the guy back in office, whatever, however, whatever, man, whatever, fuck. But for Pam Bondi, D&I Gabbard or Christy Noam or any of these people, this is the way it ends.

This is how it ends. You take shrapnel for him. you take bullets for him then when he's done after he's bust the political nut all over you he then makes you do you ever heard of a come walk

I'm not familiar so that's something that there's a fetish that people do oh gosh we'll get into that later too fetishes it gets all over their face and then they walk through a public place I have never heard of this that's a thing

like they walk through like a mall? Like a mall with it all over their face. Have you seen this in real life? No, I don't know. No, I know, I know your past. I know your past. I'm talking about in real life. Well, no, I've never seen it in real life. In real life, I would probably

even, you know, I have a way. You probably wouldn't think that that's, well, maybe because I never heard this before, but I probably wouldn't think that's what that was. Right. Well, that's what Trump wants people to do. He wants to bust the political nut all over them and then make them walk around in society with the Trump sludge all over their body.

But they wear it proudly. They wear it proudly. You know what, though? It's just, it's like part of, I mean, you could call it cultish behavior or whatever, President Trump's charm. But it's as if every person who steps into these roles feels that they will be different. Or there is maybe the glimmer of hope that he gives them that this person was this, you won't be this.

And this is why I'm putting you here. and they believe that for them, it'll be a different situation. I think they all do that going in. There's no way that they think, I'm only going to be here for a second, and then somebody else is going to take the reins. No, take the reins.

No, they truly believe I'm the chosen one. It will be different for me. And time and time again, you know, Trump's the one who's consistent. It's partly that, which I agree with, and it's partly something else. What? A lot of these people,

would never have the opportunity at these posts and positions in any semi-regular regular administration you are correct Hickset has fucking no chance in his life to ever be the secretary of state ever excuse me secretary of defense secretary of war secretary of kicking people secretary of bomb and shit for no reason secretary of drinking like he has no chance to be that. It's not ever going to happen for it. So when he his entire life, the number one thing now

for Pete Hed says life and legacy is going to be the fact that he was the defense secretary, which is an incredibly powerful position, not in the American government, but in the world. So Donald Trump offers that to them. They can't not take it. Nobody in their right

mind is going to make Pam Bondi to AG. It's not going to happen. A lot of these other, Chrissy Noam's different. she was pretty successful in political life and there are some other people. But Tulsi Gabbard was in the political wilderness. So what he does is he finds these broken toys and he gifts them with position and prestige.

Nobody would have made Kristineau, head of the Department of Homeland Security. Fair point. Stranger things have sort of happened, but like you're, I acquies. I agree with, I agree with policing experience. But what I'm saying is that like, For those people, those are positions that they are only placed in because of what he needs them to do.

You're correct. And this is, you know, even deeper than the Trump administration itself. This is kind of the, this is what we're talking about. So if you're a black in this country, if you're a black woman, if you're black, if you're black, you have to have the conversation about DEI. what you earned. Yeah. Like how you got there. You have to prove it.

You have to prove it, right? But what we know, both from statistical analysis, what we sort of can intuit, like, what we know is that there is a system of powerful people that put other people in places to do their business. And not only in government that a lot of the financial wizards that you hear, from are not financial wizards at all. What they are are people who are essentially insider trading. Yeah. Because they have proximity to

really powerful people who tell them when I'm going to take the money from the pension program and invest it into this. So buy a lot of this. Or hey, I run this here. This is my fucking cousin or my whatever. This is the guy I went to fucking I'm in a Skull and Bone Society with.

We realize that there's actually no intellectual basis. for the idea that the smartest, brightest, most capable people are running the country. Right, right. And so stuff like this, she was put there to do this. Now she will be disgraced. And what she will do, sometimes they write books and go rogue and do the whole thing.

But what she will do is for the rest of her political career, she will do the Trump come walk. Well, she has to because of the reports that are coming out about what she did to protect Donald Trump while she was in office in the Epstein. files. There are implications here for her legally, possibly. And so if what's being reported is true. So she has to shut up. She can't write a book. She can't turn on them. I mean, unless she becomes like, I don't know, some kind of witness, you know, for the government or, I mean, if they decide to go after Trump in some kind of way. But she's, yeah, like, this is, this is it for her. Or unless she gets appointed to the same office that Christy Nome did. Just gather them all there.

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See terms at Fanduil.com slash predict slash bonus dash offer dash terms. I don't know what it is. But yeah, so there's a report out there right now, there's a report out right now that Pam Bondi pull people off of counterterrorism to scour and redact the Epstein files. Sit on that for a second. That is... What?

You got a pause in right there. When I said sit on that, you reacted. Not for that reason. My mind actually didn't even go there. My mind did not even go there. As soon as I said sit on that, Rachel wanted to pause that, but she can't because it won't fly in her circle of people. You are judgmental. Okay.

So Bondi's out. Nome is out. Gabbard is out. She's about to be. Gabbert's going to be out. She's going to be out. She's going to be the next to fall. Who you think is after Gabbert?

Who do you think goes? Who's the next one? Make a determination. Who get the fuck out? Well, damn it would have been Gabbard. Who could it be? Gats, get the fuck out of here. Get out.

Get out of the fucking. Oh, I mean, she's pregnant, but the press secretary. Why can I think of her name right now? Caroline Levitt. Levitt. So I'm running, I'm taking odds. I want the higher audience. You're taking odds?

Odds. Oh, I thought she said you were taking Dr. Oz. I want the higher learning audience to consider these two people. It's either Levitt or Hexas. Oh, how, okay, in Trump's speech, which we watched 19 minutes of nothing, he went down, which I thought was funny, probably the funniest part to me. He gave us a history lesson of the wars and how many days or years each war. we've been involved in how long they've been.

And he ended on what he believed would be a very powerful note by saying, and we've been in Operation Epic Fury for 32 days. And like the gag is, and we're still and counting. 32 and counting, you idiot. And I say that to say, with Heggseth, how many days do you think the war keeps going before he's the guy that's out?

How long do you think we have? He won't be fired as long as the war is going on. So if it goes on for another year, you think Hegseth is still at the helm? Interesting point. Let me revise what I'm saying. He won't be fired in the short term. Okay. Okay.

As long as the war is going on. As the war drags on, if it does drag on, if it gets to the fall, I think Trump will be desperate to end. the war before the midterms, just desperate. The question is not whether or not Trump wants to end the war. He wants to end the war now. Yeah, no, he does. It's why he's changing his goals and objectives right now to fit a more favorable narrative to him.

The question is, can he end it? Is it possible for him to end it? If right now Trump leaves, and this has to do with, I'll get back to Hexeth, but this has to do with kind of, you know, it's really part of what we do. Yeah. And how we can educate the American public on what's actually happening. happening. Trouble leaves right now declares victory. We decimated Iran's Navy, all the stuff you guys heard in the speech. The speech. We decerated Iran's Navy. We did all of this stuff.

Trouble is right now. He's gone. Boom. Whatever. Well, what currently hasn't been decimated is Iran's ability to control the Strait of Hamos. Right. And bomb ships that come in and out of the Strait of Hormuz or threatened to. You guys, you're doing. don't have to hit every ship that comes into the Strait of Hormuz. The threat has to be so real that tankers that are coming through there, A, don't want to come through there. And then B, the insurance on tankers coming through the strait makes it economically not feasible to send ships through there, right?

There's all kinds of ways that Iran, with really a low military effort, can control the straight unless ground troops are sent in to eliminate the threat when and if that happens that will be bloody for those ground troops and there are people who believe that the American political

will in terms of the citizens of the country it won't withstand the slaughter of 500,000 how many ever Marines that it would take to go in there

and secure that to where Iran could no longer control the straight, right? So the president is probably getting different information on what he should do, which is take away Iran's ability to control the straight, right, and legitimately put a chokehold on the economy of the entire world. I mean, we're talking about gas prices here. There's stuff going on in other countries where they're starting to ration energy. Yeah, that's what it might be in a food crisis here.

Right, where it starts to get back. The fertilizer comes through the straight, all kinds of different things. It's bad, like it's a bad situation. The Iranians are not going to stop. They want a new world order as it relates to dealings with Iran. They want assurances. They want reparations. And I know the Republicans not trying to play it to none of that.

They want reparations for all the damage done to them. There's no way for Trump to get out of this with a deal with the Iranians that would make anybody that's halfway, halfway looking at this objectively. think that we want, right? So the question then is, who do you blame this on? Like, who gets the blame for us doing that? President Trump will never take the blame the responsibility for anything. I don't think that Rubio,

it's certainly not going to be anyone that's not going to be Netanyahu. It's not going to lead to a fissure in the American-Israeli relationship, right? Won't be Huckabee. It won't be any of the other people that really, really wanted this war. It'll be someone from inside the administration

inside the cabinet that he thinks either mishandled it or he can sell either mishandled it or talked him into it. Yeah, I mean, he's definitely going to say that he was advised wrong, right? But will the public believe that it was

Hegsa that actually was the one who advised him wrong? Would that actually fly? I don't know. I think people really look at Excef as a joke. I mean... I don't... I do. I do. think it's inevitable. I absolutely think he will not be there the entire four years.

Right. And I say love it because they'll probably use her pregnancy and she'll probably just won't come back after it. Yeah. Yeah. Like I think and he's and he's we've seen him fuck up already, right? So it's kind of like, all right, one too many. We've seen it from, I mean, almost immediately when he started. But I just, I don't even know if the public would even buy that if it comes down to us being stuck in this war and you blame it on Hexeth. It's kind of like. Well, I mean, but I agree with you. I'm just, I guess I'm just like thinking. Like, this is my thing. We're even past the point of what we buy and what we don't buy. It actually doesn't matter. Because the reality is. It doesn't matter for Trump.

It matters for the midterms. Which is why, to your point, he wants this to end immediately. Like, it does matter as far as like for the Republican Party. Maybe. It doesn't matter for Trump. It doesn't matter for Trump by any means. Well, so. this is a nice robust, I'm liking this conversation.

This is a nice robust conversation. When you say Republican Party, even that is interesting to me. Because I'm thinking of the future of this party, right? I think why there's this desperation around 2026. It's why we're trying to change rules and laws domestically because you're trying to control 2026 because what is happening currently with the administration, both here domestically and internationally,

is going to affect the midterms. So I say it will impact, it won't have any effect on Trump. Like that's a lost cause. Nothing seems to be able to touch him in the way that people have their allegiance to him or the way they view him. But it will reflect the party. People will turn their blame to Congress. Certainly. I think the question that I'm asking is, all right.

So people, if you are a congressman right now, congressman, congresswoman, you're in a contested fight in the Senate or. You're in a House district that seems to be trending towards the Democrats. It seems to me, before this war, you'd already have been sounding the alarm to the president. Oh, yeah. You would have already been talking about openly and honestly about what it is that you believe and putting some distance in between yourself and ICE overreaches yourself and government shutdowns and just the chaos that comes along with the Trump administration. But they're not doing that by and large.

The ones that are doing that are being excoriated. They're outside of the collegial Republican talking, thinking. They don't get invited to CPAC to talk. They don't get to have conversations. The ones outside of that thing are, you know, Thomas Massey, Tucker Carlson, increasingly Megan Kelly. and I mean, whatever. All of these people, just to be real with you,

all of these people to be real with you, as Emma spoke to when she was here, all of these people are still trying to tow the line. Like Carlson, for all of the love that he's getting for calling out Israel and for being, you know, anti-war, he's really doing that in a self-serving way, laundering his own support for Trump, his own reputation,

because he refuses to pull. put all of this at the feet of the president. Correct. And that's because that is still the thing that you cannot do and be inside the family. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. So of all the people that we're talking about and, you know, the Republicans themselves, there is a capture that still exists with Donald Trump.

With Trump. But that capture is the thing that unites the party. So that's the only thing that unites the party right now because the, Because if we were talking about like ideals or what they said that they were about, you have to remember that they've already gone back on all of that. Trump spins like crazy. And they're supposed to be the party of fiscal conservatism. Trump is increasingly hawkish in foreign adventurism and wars. And they were supposed to be the anti-war party.

They were supposed to be the economic party. Correct. The economy is in shambles. This war is costing a lot of money. It was supposed to be your gas prices would come down. Your gas prices are up. Almost everything, everything, with the exception of the southern border, almost everything that they said that they were going to do is opposite.

It's trending away from all of their stated goals. However, the party remains intact. And they remain intact because they're doing what the president says that they should do. Which my point is, I agree with you. was saying the midterms and the future of the party. Because the future of the party, assuming, you know, we don't, Trump doesn't try to run again or whatever, you know, with that, the future of the party, to your point, it is centered, right now it's currently centered around Trump.

That's what keeps it together. If Trump is gone, so is the party. So that's what I'm saying. It only impacts, it impacts the future of the party. You know who to me, and we can move into the other parts of this? I mean, just to catch you guys up, the president's address last night said nothing. the president didn't announce that ground troops were going in. Some people thought he would do that.

He didn't announce that the war was ending. He didn't announce a plan. He didn't announce a plan. He basically... He said things that were already done. It's the same talking points already over and over again. Well, the point of the address to the nation last night, in my opinion, was really to try to double and triple down on how bad the Iranian regime is. And to make people believe that there was a reason for us to have done this.

But he's kind of backing away from regime change. He's kind of backing away, which is what I was referencing when he's talking, when you talk about him wanting this to be favorable to him, because if he's trying to change the objectives and the goals of the administration or what they were trying to do because he wants it to read favorably to him. Regime change is not. Like even in his speech, he's like, okay, we did this. You know, back in, you know, was it 2019? We took out this person. Oh, we just took out these leaders. recently, but even the government admits that the Iranian government is still intact. It's still

there. So it seems as if he's changing the goals of what they're actually going in there and try to do, rather than saying initially it was, oh, you know, they're killing all these Iranians, which they are, the people are protesting, the people want change, we're going to go in there and do that. And now he's kind of moving away from that and switching it to something else. I mean, I think the point of him addressing the nation is because people keep saying, you need to address the nation. I truly think the only reason he did it is because people say, we're over a month in, you said this is not what it would be, you need to say something to the public.

And all he did was repeat the exact same things and contradict himself. Oh, the war will be over soon, but I'm also going to threaten you with possible future attacks. That's all he did. So regime change is not what he says. selling now. Correct. Yes. I know.

But he is, he is selling regime depowerment. And in order to sell regime depowerment, he has to give reasons why that's important. And so every other

stated goal of the war has fallen flat. And so you have to invent a new goal. And the new goal, which these talking points have been in circles if you,

you know, if you watch the debate shows, if you watch, you know, people talking about this, the people that are doing this for President Trump. This is how bad Iran is. These are all the things that Iran

that the Islamic Republic has done for 47 years. These are all the times that we should have gone in. Never mind that President Trump has accused other presidents of wanting to start wars with Iran when they get in political trouble. Said that about Barack Obama. He also said that if Kamala Harris, a bunch of people say if Kamau Harris was arrested,

elected arrested. If she was elected that she would go to war in Iran. So it's been something that he has said before that a president would do for a political reason. But the regime change situation, that goal is not happening. Okay. There doesn't look to be any, even the goal of obliterating Iran's nuclear capability, it's dicey. It's dicey for myriad reasons. It's dicey because the Iranian nuclear program has been around for a while, right? There's a lot of technical know-how that goes into that. So you wouldn't just necessarily have to kill or dismantle. You'd kill all the scientists is one thing.

Blow up all the infrastructure is another thing. But you'd also have to give some sort of assurance that the intelligence that goes into building a program like that is also gone. It's a really way you can do that, right? That they wouldn't be able to reconstitute. That would take full regime change. That would take you going in there and putting Pavlovi or someone else in there that gives you assurances and not just gives you assurances, but whose best interest it's in to not develop nuclear weapons.

But they are selling that that is the goal, right? They are selling that not that they're just destroying it, but they're destroying their capability to make nuclear weapons. nuclear weapons. That's what they're selling. They're saying it. I don't know if they're selling it. Definitely BB is saying that. Well, I mean, even now though, like they're, so, you know, if you, if you, I really encourage everyone to do as much on this. I know everybody's going through a lot. You guys out there, the summer's coming, y'all all in the gyms. But when you can, go out there and just try to be a little bit curious into what it actually takes to go into a country. and completely pull apart their nuclear capability, right?

Yeah. We should also say this. There's just no real evidence that Iran has ever been, for a long time at least, for a long time at least, has been serious and desperate to acquire nuclear weapons. While it's true that the Iranians have enriched uranium to 60 percent, there's an argument to be made that the reason why they enriched uranium to 60 percent, which is getting towards the threshold that you need to take everything with the weapons grade

is because of the fact that it was a bargaining tool to get everyone back to the table. It showed that they could enrich it to 60%. And that perhaps that would get the West off of their back in terms of economic sanctions or get everybody back to the negotiating table after Soleimani was taken out and all that stuff like that,

to remain a thorn, in the hair, in the side, should I say, of the West so that they didn't think that the Iranians were contained, that they continued to be dangerous because all kinds of stuff, it's all out there. There was a fatwa that was issued in the 2000s by the Ayatollah that said that they would not, basically it made it Haram to achieve nuclear weapons. Then they came to the negotiating table for the JCPOA to get rid of their program, right? So they've actually, as far as the nuclear question, them having proxies in a region, that's true.

But in terms of the nuclear question, there's not a lot of reason to believe that the Iranians are a crazy sort of religious, cultish type government that is desperate to build a nuclear weapon and then wants to use it on the West or Israel. It's not a lot of reason to believe that. Well, that's what they're telling. But I hear you. My point in saying that is what you now have to do is say, forget about the nuclear program. Like, really? Forget about it. Iran was dangerous without nuclear weapons, which I feel like was the point of the speech.

The point of the speech wasn't about necessarily the nuclear program. We've obliterated that. But it was more than that. It was we've obliterated their Navy. we've obliterated their Air Force we've obliterated their ability to wage war because that makes everyone in the region safer

that's a that's a new goal that's a goal that like wasn't really stated before if you if President Trump and Nanyahu and you know the rest of the forces involved here would just been like you know the Iranians are just two dangers we've got to go in there right now

that that wouldn't have even flown that wouldn't have even given the Scott Jennings of the world, the talking heads, enough red meat to go on the networks and defend it. And defend it. That wouldn't have been enough. Now that we're there, it has to be enough because the other goals can't be achieved.

Yeah. So like that last night was, I will tell you how bad they are. These are the amount of American soldiers they've killed here. This is the amount of American soldiers they've killed here. These people are bad. They had to go. And we'll see how people, how much people accept that. but I can tell you what,

I can tell you what's not going to happen is no one's going to the gas pump and seeing $7 gas and then going, I'm so happy we took out of wrong. Of course. It just doesn't work that way. Of course. And like no one is like going to see rising food costs. Mm-hmm.

No one's going to see like dead American servicemen and go, you know, we had to do this. Yeah. In order for that to happen, the threat has to be just so much more existential. I'm not so sure there's an enemy in the world that exists that Americans feel that way about. And that's bad for politicians. I don't know that there's an, I don't know that there's an enemy in the world that exists to where Americans go, it's worth my pain to get in a fight with that person.

Well, especially not now, especially because we've been going through it for such a long time. I think you could sell it if this was new, if this was a new problem, right? Where prices are going up, where inflation is going up, where people's pocketbooks have been hit, where people are having to make a decision to pay this versus this, where the jobs are decreasing. Like, there's so much happening that to your point right now, there isn't anybody. If it was new, then maybe that they could. What was it new? If an economy where people are suffering, where prices are up, where gas prices are up,

where jobs are, like people can't find a job. Like if that was all new, like let's just say that just happened in March in addition to this, then they could probably link the two. And I think people could get on board with, okay, there is an enemy that this is worth fighting for. Because you could almost link this problem to this problem. You can't do that. We've been struggling. You were supposed to be the regime to your point that you said earlier that came in to fix this.

Instead, you've only increased it with no vision of it changing anytime soon. So to me, when I, you know, like I understand what you're saying. about the point, your point that you believe that Trump made the speech tonight, if I'm an American and I'm listening to this, I'm looking for answers to how I'm going to get out of this. And there was nothing that you said in this speech to make me believe, oh, the end is near. Oh, we're turning a corner. All you're doing is justifying your presence there, but for how long? For how long are we going to suffer? You know, you throw out Venezuela. I thought that was a very frustrating thing. He throws out Venezuela and what they did there and how quickly it happened. We're already past

that when it comes to Iran. So like what are you, what assurance are you giving us? Which is why today, like stock prices and everything went down. It's like, what assurances are you giving us, the market, I should say, that this is going to be better, that there is a way out of it, that this was necessary and it will benefit Americans at the end of the day. You haven't. If I'm tuning in as an American, that's what I was listening for. Right. And so, and we'll get into this stuff of the day.

But I guess my point is that that used to be something that was a little easy. That's your point because you can tie the two together. Well, like, if we're talking about Iraq and Afghanistan and 9-11 was right there. Okay, so look, we know that we're in danger. Like, we know that we're in danger. Go get the bad guys. What happened is that all of the goodwill that existed at first with that, even though there were still plenty of people during the invasion of Iraq that were like,

this is too far. This has nothing to do with what went on. I was one of them. I was there. I was a college-aged young man and there was plenty of dissension, debate and protesting that went along at the beginning of that war. Forget about mission accomplished and the quagmire that ended up happening and all that stuff. Forget about all the time. We thought that we, all of that. At the beginning, the outset of it, invading a foreign nation that, a foreign sovereign nation that hadn't attacked you, there's plenty of conversation about whether or not that was legal under international law, all kinds of different things. I was there.

happened. But if you look at the trajectory of war since World War II, since, you know, Korea, then into Vietnam, and then into stamping out, sending troops all over the world in defense of democracy, into the first desert storm, first Iraq war. The first Iraq war was a shot in the arm to America's military sort of fantasy because it was so successful. It was so successful and just displayed this unbelievable amount of technological might and logistical capability that the whole world was like, oh, shit, they on their shit. Like, only superpower in the world look what they can do. And after that, I mean, you know, Vietnam was obviously completely fucked up. And the entire world saw the limits of not just American military power, but the limits of the political will of the.

American public to endure that type of carnage for their sons and daughters that went over to fight the war. They saw that. After Iraq and Afghanistan, after, you know, hundreds, thousands of, thousands of suicides with guys coming home, trillions of dollars, a million dead in the Middle East, there is a feeling and a thought that if we are going to go around the world, stomping people, out with our boot that there's got to be a good reason for it. And you know who knew that?

Trump knew it. Because part of the rise of Trump was that all of the people in that room that made that decision were wrong. And they made the decision not because it was in the best interest of Americans, because it was in the best interest of something else. And that he could see that and that he wasn't that. Then those same neocons that talked up that war, he empowered them. and now this one is much more baffling,

much more baffling than anything we've done in a long time. And he thinks he got it like that to where it makes sense because he says it makes sense. And for some, it will. But for a lot of people, they're going to be like, that's not good enough. Particularly in this one, because, you know, Saddam Hussein being who he was, the Taliban being who they were, they had limited ability, limited ability to affect the American economy, to affect the world economy, the way closing the Strait of Hormuzda.

Yeah, oh, for sure. So right now the fact that the Iranians are committed to that, I'll say something else. Last thing. Trump said that he is completely committed to, if necessary. destroying Iranian electrical capability, civilian electrical grids and energy stuff and all that. First of all, that's illegal. That's a war crime.

Number one, everyone should know that. That's illegal. That's a war crime. Secondly, if Iran really, and this would be a cataclysmic move, if Iran really starts hitting desalinization plants in the Gulf countries, we're climbing an escalation,

ladder to a degree that no one can really lay out or even really articulate because now you're essentially you're starving those countries. Now they can't drink water. And at that point, I don't know what happens next. You might get tactical nooks used in the war. But because at that, at that point, you don't know what happens. And I firmly believe, that if he decides to hit that type of civilian infrastructure in Iran, that the only thing they will be able to do is escalate once more and really, really make the Gulf nations suffer. And now you got all kinds of crazy stuff.

So who knows, but there was nothing in that speech to me. It wasn't even worth it. I agree. It was performative because people said you need to get out there. Yeah. So no, that's, that's, that's the Trump. Let's, you know what? That's why I was only 20 minutes.

What? That's why I was only 20 minutes. We spent more time on it than he did. Exactly. You know what I'm saying? We spend more time on it. He's like nothing more to say. Nothing more to say about.

Oh, oh, hold on. You know, there's a lot of stuff happening in, there's a lot of stuff happening. Okay. We talked about Chrissy Nome, but we didn't talk about the other thing happening with Chrissy Nome. Oh. This is, this is. this is a field day for you.

For me. Yeah, let's talk about Brian. Her husband. Christy said that her family was blindsided and devastated, following reports that her husband Brian allegedly lived a secret online life. This report was that Brian was involved in a bimbofication fetish community where he allegedly sent explicit messages and shared cross-dressing photos and spent tens of thousands of dollars interacting with women who weren't his wife online.

Now, you know, my first question is, I, of course, had never heard of bimboification. Right. Didn't know this was a fetish. Didn't know this was a thing. Didn't know there were levels to it, right? It's not just about you dressing up. It's who you talk to. It's whether they do.

It's do you act in character? Is it just the, like I? So, of course, quite naturally, we have to defer. I'm sorry, Van, we have to defer to the expert who is way more. in touch as you told us, as you educated us about cum walking, way more in touch with these fetishes. Yeah. Or just, you know, in the know-how, I'm sure just for research purposes,

particularly when it comes to this would, but had you heard of this? Bimbelfication? Yeah. No, never heard of it before. But it essentially, he's a cross-dresser, which has existed since the beginning of time. Well, there's levels to it, though. Okay, tell me. I guess, like, when I was looking at it, yes, he's a cross-dresser,

but, like, it might be that you don't do that. Bimbofication is that maybe you like that. Or it could be not a cross-dressor. As a woman, you could wear like the, because it's like kind of like a Jessica Rabbit thing, right? Like you could wear like a cartoonish big chest. And yeah, like you can put like overdue your makeup and wear, like think of almost even like a, oh my gosh, Anna Nicole Smith.

Okay. Like that kind of thing is you might just be into watching it. You might dress that way as well. That's where the cross-dressing comes in. But like you don't have to be a man to do it. You could be a woman that does it. Like there are levels to it. Bimboification.

Okay, let's look this up. Love that exact. I guess, no, not me educating. You want to kick. I didn't know. Bimboification is, to Rachel's point, what is binboification? This is on AOL. AOL.

It's still around, man. For real? Yeah. AOL? Mm-hmm. God, man, I'm fucking with AOL, man. What do they do now? Kind of like Yahoo.com, like, just like a news source of, like,

gathering stories from different publications, putting it all on them. That's good to see. On a homepage. That's good to say. Took you back. Yeah, so it's a not cross-dressing. It's a cross-dressing fetish. Basically what you said, I mean, it's not too much more to it,

but I'm looking at it right now. This is him and Christy known back in the day. damn she looked different. So this particular fetish appears to be, it's essentially turn yourself into the most hyperfeminine Barbie-like version of yourself regardless of gender. So yeah, the women get into it too.

For some, that means huge boobs, heavy makeup, or provocative clothing. And while women are typically the ones hyperstetualizing themselves in content that's easy to find on popular sites like Pornhub, men are not embracing the kink, often wearing fake breasts or temporary feminine enhancements to feel as a lady-like as possible.

Like, because he had balloons. In the picture that we saw, those were balloons. Right. That's why they were uneven. Okay, so those are balloons because they weren't. He had balloons. He had balloons inside. So look, you know, I've heard a lot of conversation about this.

As people who are fetish-friendly and let people explore their fetishes and let people like are encouraging the people exploring their fetish. I actually think people should. So you know you're not alone with your fetish or think there's something or your kink. I think people should be more open about their fetishes and kinks. Shocking, maybe you think that I say that. think that they show. No, no, no, no. I wouldn't think that I'm just saying, like, I don't think that at all. I'm saying this, the response here is interesting and I guess is attacking this fetish for a lot of people in any way indulging into hypocrisy. Because this, a lot of these

attacks are coming from people who normally would be fetish friendly and all of that. To me, is that what's how, so you're saying, wait, wait, so you're not, you're saying this isn't coming from like a conservative. traditional values crowd you're saying it's coming from like just no what I'm saying is there's two conversations number one I know the reason why I always go on to stuff like this because of the hypocrisy that's involved of course of course of course the christianone side of it somebody who stood in opposition so many things that would affect the lives and the advancement of the humanity the recognition of

the humanity of the gay, lesbian, trans community. So she's always been against that. So to see that this is happening, and she probably knew about it. Allegedly she did. Allegedly she has said to out loud, allegedly to a reporter, my husband's gay.

And just because you do memopification does not necessarily mean you're a part of the community. I just want to say that too. Like, I'm not trying to stereotype in any way. The reason why these conversations are sometimes necessary to have is because it underscores, there's a great documentary out there called Outrage that I watched years and years ago

about prominent conservative political voices that are gay. And they're a closet-closited gay. And yet, them being closeted, for some reason, makes them extra draconian. Because they hate they can't be themselves. Well, also, part of them being closeted is in how viciously they treat the gay community. Yeah.

So part of their mask is one thing to be closeted or to have your, and there's nothing wrong with that in any way, shape, or form. But if a component of you being closeted is treating a community cruelly to put distance between yourself and that community, then that phenomenon. has to be discussed because that is your inability to kind of come to terms with who you are, you're weaponizing that against a group of people who are vulnerable. Yeah, I mean, it even goes beyond just, you know, it being a hypocrite, a part, like, as far as like what you believe

about the queer community, it's also just like, I mean, I'll even use Cristino, I'm here. I mean, she was questioned about it in front of Congress about her having an affair. That also contradicts, you know, this family values. And you could go down a laundry list, and I think we did before, about people who are so viciously against, you know, extra marital affairs or, you know, being a part of the queer community and all of these things because it is so against what they believe as a part of their religion, yet behind closed doors, this is what they do.

it goes into the bigger issue of suppression. Like you're suppressing desires that are natural to you. I grew up in a very religious community. I wrote about it in my book because I grew up in, oh my gosh, I was gonna call it virgin culture. That's not it. Why can I not think of the name? Purity culture, purity culture, purity culture,

where there's a lot of shame around you desiring things that are against what you've been taught biblically. And that's why you see people, you know, like, you know, get pregnant before they get married, which is what, you know, you're traditionally taught to do in purity culture. Or you see people, you know, like have a wild side when they go off to college. You see people rebel because you've been suppressing certain desires that they feel natural to them. And you see it, I mean, even, you know, we talk about Taylor, Frankie Paul and the Bachelorette, like the soft swinging scandal of all of it, why they get married so young so they can have sex,

Why they get married on a Friday so they can annul it on a Monday. Why they do soft swinging and all of that kind of stuff. Because you're suppressing what feels natural to them. And I think that's a deeper conversation that we should have as well when you have these conversations. Like, yes, there's the hypocrisy. Yes, there are these people who viciously attack these communities because they feel like they can't be themselves. Maybe there's a jealousy there. There's a hatred there because they can't do the things that they want to do that feel natural to them.

So they do them in private. and then they come out in ways like this. But also, it's the suppression of just like what you feel you should be doing as a woman, as a man, as, you know, whatever. And, like, I think that that's why we will always continue to see stories like this, because people can't feel what they can't do what they desire, because they've been taught from a very young age, whether it's in their family, whether it's in their community, whether it's in their school, whether it's in their church, whether it's in their friend group,

that that is wrong, you are evil, and you will die. because of it. So I think, I understand what you're saying. So let me give you an example based upon what you just said of kind of what I'm trying to say. Now I'll come back to the conversation around this fetish and just talk about the quality of his titties, which I also would like to talk about as well at some point. Just like the quality of the titty meat. Titty meat.

Titty meat. Yeah, the quality of titty meat. The balloons. I want to talk about if he can do better because we have to discuss that. What? Okay. Well, I mean, not better. Listen, here's the thing.

That's, if he's, I don't. I don't want to, look, I don't want to stand in judgment of him because look, I deal with titty meat. Slice it. You guys know. You guys have seen it before. You've seen me lean back and stuff like. I deal with titty meat.

I know what it's like to deal with tities. He's not alone. Okay. Now, he went out and got his titties, but balloons in. I didn't do it like that. My tities were built through Snickers bars, ice cream. Titties were built through hamburgers, cheese. I have cheese-based titties, but I know what it's like still.

So there's a part of me that looked at him and just saw what I am, which is a man trying to deal with his tities. But we'll come back to that. Okay, we'll come back to that. All right, we'll come back to that. Because I, you know, try to, and then he can do better. If I can do better, he can do better. All right, number one.

So let's kind of, so there's, it's one thing to me to, let me tell you what I'm talking about. So let's take your example of purity culture, right? Okay. And you grew up in Dallas. You went to First Baptist, you know, not you. My whole life. Okay, your whole life. First Baptist, second Baptist, third Baptist, with the Baptist, right?

Let's say you get to college, right? You come to First Baptist and you go to Prayer Review. I'm going to prayer review. You go to Prayer View and you've been repressed and all of that. Yes, because people in First Baptist, they got pregnant, got kicked out of the school. You got kicked out of the school. Whatever. So but but you but now you know you you you have prayer view and you just fucking

I'm gonna let that thing loose You just fucking throwing slaying it all around going crazy, right? That's one thing Okay That type of expression Could be Unhealthy for you I don't Get in the world of litigating was sexually healthy for people But it could be that the overall

reaction to your repression in some way could be unhealthy for you. You could then develop some behaviors, tendencies and habits that are unhealthy for you. That could happen. That's not necessarily what I'm talking about. What I'm talking about is the person

that is repressed and makes their repression a vehicle to make things unhealthy for other people, meaning you are sexually repressed. So either you abuse people in secret because of your sexual repression. You don't want anyone to know that you're doing the things that you are. So you control people, you abuse them, you create these gigantic secrets. You might get people pregnant and force them to have secret abortions that they might necessarily not want to have. Or like the hypocrisy goes from

some hypocrisy that is central to you. And something. to where your repression and your inability to be who you want to be affects other people. And what I am saying, because there's a version of the person that goes to prayer of you and then becomes a holy roller who stands in front of abortion clinics and yells at people and all of this because what they really want to do is go have somebody smash that shit from the back as hard as possible or smash some shit from the back as hard as possible. What they really want to, they're now expressing themselves and the lack of, the lack of,

of the ability to be who they want to be by oppression to somebody else. I'm talking about that specifically as it relates to sometimes cultural figures on the conservative right because the way that they demonstrate that they are not who they know they are is by kicking somebody else's ass. So how could I be gay when I am the most anti-gay congressman that exists? how could I be having people having secret abortions and stuff when I'm the most anti-abortion I'm actually the the fucking guy who writes the legislation for the pro-life stuff

how could I be someone that's spreading kids around and doing all of that stuff when you see me as being that that to me takes what is oftentimes a personal issue which is your sexual repression and your inability to be who you want to be which everybody goes through to some degree. Everybody puts caps and limits on how free that they should be. I have that conversation all the time.

Some people think I'm way too free about what gets me going, about what I think sex should be. Everybody has that conversation. But the reason why I try to be as open about that is because I never want my thing to influence what somebody else feels like is okay. Or I want everyone to know and to be as free and open as. possible because that is the healthy way to be. Now, it doesn't mean that you'll always be able to set appropriate limits on yourself,

which you have to. You have to set appropriate limits on yourself to live the type of life that you want and almost anything, right? And almost anything. But I think that what I'm specifically talking about in this situation, when I heard a lot of people saying we should not kinkshame this man and we should not be out to out people, that like you know when you hear jokes about the fact of how

Grindr reacts when CPAC Grindy be going crazy at CPAC Grindy because there are a lot of closeted people there. Sometimes people, there are people that say those stories aren't poor taste because it is assigning

it's a cultural criminalization to being gay. It's like, oh, you're gay, that's a bad thing. I don't think that's why people are doing it. People are doing it to call out the hypocrisy of people who use persecuting gay people as a method of closeting themselves. And that to me is the problem when you look at this politically. When you look at who Christy Noem is and everything that Christy Noem is doing, the hypocrisy actually leads to some kids somewhere committing suicide because they can't live

in a society where it's, I don't even want to say okay to be gay. If you say it's okay to be gay, that's dumb. You're engaging in dumb. It's not okay to be gay. Being gay should be celebrated. Who you are, the free. Who you are should be celebrated.

Who you are should be celebrated. Yes. You should be, it should be celebrated. It is a celebration that should happen with people who are loving and connected and embracing their identity. As long as that identity isn't hurtful to anyone else, that should be celebrated

because that's what human freedom is. That's what being a humanist is. So I think that's the thing that people have a problem with, although I am interested in the argument about whether or not kink-shaming people and being targetedly, like calling them out for this, If that doesn't in some way lean in a little bit to some entrenched homophobia that exists in society.

If that's just not another, oh, you gay, this is gay, that is gay. I'm not saying I'll do that. Right, because we don't know. All that stuff like that. I'm saying that, you know. You know, Brian Noem has not made a statement. So we don't, other than he did not deny or confirm, you know, talking to these models. Or maybe he did admit that.

I'm not sure. But, oh, he did admit to taking part in bimification scene and posing as a woman with large breast and having these explicit conversations with other women. But you're right in the sense that I think, this is why I say I think people should be more open about their fetishes and their kinks because even the word kink I feel like has just like such a negative connotation. I think that you would realize that there are more people out there who feel the same way. I also think that you might not even realize you like that thing until you hear about that. that. And I think there should be a normalization of the fact, and to your point, to not labeling something like, oh, this is a man who has balloons in his chest. Oh, he must be gay because he's wearing pink short pants and has breasts. Like, that is where the homophobia, to your point, creeps in.

And I have a problem with that part of it, which is why I think we should have more of these conversations. We shouldn't suppress certain things like that because I think that it educates people and makes them aware of the homophobia that they might be holding within and not even realize that they're doing it. I appreciated knowing about something different.

I'd never heard of this. Never heard of bemification. So you got bemification, you have to come walk at the same time. You got two for one. Yeah. Yeah. You got two for one. There's more shit out there, by the way. I'm aware. I'm just saying there's more shit. I'm aware. This is why I don't get it.

People, everybody, people got, People got stuff. People have stuff. Yes, I'm the one who's, I agree with that, but it doesn't mean that I have to like it, right? Like, I don't am not going to want to walk around with come on my face. That's not for me. Yeah.

I don't have to like it. I mean, that's a different one. That's like, look, that's because, you know, you make, when you do that, you make other people look you at the come on their face and all that stuff like that, to come walk. You're making other people look at you and stuff like that. So that's one that you can, maybe I don't want to be at the mall with my family

and then see you would come on your face. I could, that one is, maybe you do to come walk around the house. How's that? Yeah. Maybe you do to come walk around the house. Maybe you have a come walk a thorn where all the come walkers get together

and they rent like a big ass building. It's a lot. Right? Like they rent like a big ass building or they, or you do to come walk at hedonism where, You're telling them what to do. You're telling them what to do.

You're telling them how to do it. Maybe because you've got to have an ethical come walk. Oh. It's got to be ethical. You do? Well, it's not, it can't be. Okay. See how this is made to, this isn't me trying to, I'm trying to bridge the gap.

So what I'm saying is, what if it wasn't come walking? What if it was dick walking, right? What if it was just my fetish is walking around with my dick out? Okay. Well, that's a crime. Right. So, but think about the connection, right? The connection is that maybe it's not okay to do this because you wanting to have your dick out and want people to see your dick, that's not great, right?

It could be your finish. It's a crime. Now, I don't know if Come Walk is a crime. It's probably not. No, no, no. I don't think that that's a crime. But at the same time, it is something that is. I think if you took it and you put it on someone,

not I think, then that would be a crime. I know, but it's got to be something, I don't know if this one's okay, okay? And so what I'm saying is, there should be a way, what I'm saying is out just in public. You just don't want to be in Disneyland and see a woman walking through fucking California.

You wouldn't know, especially in California. Are you nuts? Well, Bernard. How is it? Hold on. Like, Bernard. I guess I'm not, I'm thinking of a different. if you got if y'all saw a woman walking around full blast all over her face you know

it's full blast you would know that it was come would you not like donnie donnie's out don't yeah i would assume i would assume if you were you did mention being at the mall if somebody's at the mall you could think it could be sinne or something i'd be like that's not what i that's not what i think it is but so it depends on where you at and i thought donnie was going to tap out of the conversation Donnie gave a full visual. When you mentioned the mall, I was thinking, well, I wouldn't think that can't become. That's set a butt.

First off, you'd have to be really close to somebody to see it. Second, in my mind, can I just tell you the way I was thinking of it in my head until Donnie gave me that visual? No, no, I'm not Google it. On the Spotify computer. On the Spotify computer. I didn't see it that way, Donnie. In my mind, I didn't think that you would.

just let it splat and just sit there. In my mind, I don't know why I thought, like, you would rub it on your face, like a facial, like a, like a cream. Like, that's how I saw it. Like, you would even it out is how I saw it in my mind. That's what I was thinking. No, that's not what they did.

They let them. I mean, everybody. Do you know what a cum walk in? Huh? Do you know what a, like a couple, you know what it is? What is it? I don't know.

Basically when, I mean, I worked in Hollywood, so that's the only reason. But basically it's when someone like doing something in public, you know, they ask sex in public. And then, but they're just a one-night stand type of dude. And then the dude, you know. Yeah. Finishes. And then she just walks out. Right.

But it's on her face. Yeah. Yeah. So that's the thing. This just happened is the thing. So that this just happened. So it's really for the woman. The woman is because like, does the, is it?

Does the man get off on watching her walk in public with it? Or does the woman get off knowing that it's there? Yeah, it's a public. But I'm saying, who benefits is my question? Well, first of all, and we can move along because there's people that's, yeah. This is wild, yes. Sorry, now I'm curious. What I'm saying is that really this is for content more than anything.

Content for who? It's like content. It's like a content thing. It's like people put this out of content. They do. They have their videos? Videos. Come on videos. Come walking. I'm not. I'm not Googling it.

So like, look, but what we're saying is be ethical when you're doing all of this stuff. Chrissy Nome's husband, if you need help dealing with your tities, just reach out. Okay. I'm working at Equinox. I'm lifting. I'm going crazy. Okay. It's happening for me.

I'm lifting. I'm going crazy. We're in there. We're hitting the bench. And like, you know, we do a... You think he wants, like, actual tithies. That's not the bimbo-flicate. That's not the way I understand it.

It's also not about them looking good. It's just about having big, cartoonish breast on. Which is why he didn't care if, like... But you want to take pride in your tities, all right? Well, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I say you should.

I say you should. I say you should take pride in it. Whether they're real or fake. Yeah, come on, man. Like, if you're going to do it, like get out there and because now he's free I don't know this nigga might be the number one bimbo

in the whole fucking I hope he's free I don't know because there's still people that they've interviewed in the community they're like that was AI oh that he's not a true bimbo like no that they don't want to believe it like his community like there's a guy that they interviewed

he was like I grew up playing football with him see this is where like the homophobia comes in I grew up playing football with him I just believe that picture was AI so I don't know how free he is but I do hope that You know. The nigger got titties.

And that's all right. And that's okay. That's all right. Just, you know, lay off, lay off my brothers and sisters in the community. Okay, lay off gay people. Lay off gay people. Lay off gay people. Yeah, like stop weaponizing stuff just to make yourself feel better.

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Kidnaught. Donnie, give us a story. What's going on? What is this? Yeah, allegedly Gucci Man. was robbed and kidnapped by rappers Pu Shiasty and Big 30 in Dallas earlier this year. This year? I heard about justice. I heard this.

So this was a secret? DoJ. What did you hear? Go on with what you heard. No, no, no, no. I swear, I promise you. I'm not going to tell you guys where I got this information from.

But this was a pretty poorly kept secret because I had heard from some people. man, this is some months ago, that pushaiste and some guys had run up on Gucci-Main over some business matter and this was in order to attack them in the whole deal. Like I heard like a couple of days after it happened. So they let him go immediately. They robbed them. This happened a while back, right?

January 10th, I believe it was the legend days. Yeah. He's out. Like I had heard when this had happened. happened and the way it was there's a group text I have with certain people that have plugged

right and I had heard that this had happened and that this was over business or label business or whatever but it had kind of like never broke and there weren't even as many

when I heard it there weren't even as many Twitter conspiracy theories about it as I thought that there would have been. Because I went straight to Twitter to put it in Twitter to see if anybody was just talking about the fact that it happened. And it hadn't. So for it to, I totally forgot about this.

I think it broke now because arrests were made. Eight of the nine suspects were arrested. Everybody but a man named Terrence Rogers. Let's play a little bit of audio from the press conference that happened earlier this morning. This week, nine individuals, including well-known musical. artists, kidnapped and robbed at gunpoint numerous victims at a music studio in Dallas, Texas. Eight of the nine were arrested yesterday in Dallas, Memphis, and Nashville. These individuals who are charged and arrested include Launtrell Williams Jr., also known as Poo Shisty,

Launtrell Williams Sr., Rodney Wright Jr., also known as Big 30, Cadarius Waters, DeMarion Gibson, DeMarcus Glover, Corday Johnson, Darien McDaniel, and Terence Rogers has not been arrested yet, but will be soon. The complaint alleges that on January 10th of this year, three music industry professionals traveled to Dallas for a scheduled business meeting. Launtrell Williams Jr. arranged this meeting purportedly to discuss the terms of his recording contract with one of the victims. As alleged, once these three men were inside the recording studio, Williams Jr. and eight co-conspirators, several of whom traveled from Memphis, Tennessee, executed a coordinated armed takeover. As alleged, Williams Jr. produced an AK-style pistol and forced one of the victims to sign a release from the recording contract at gunpoint. The remaining conspirators displayed firearms and

and robbed the other victims of Rolex watches, jewelry, cash, and other high-value items. One of the victims was actually choked by one of the defendants to the point of near unconsciousness. Defendant Wright barricaded the studio door with his body to prevent the victims from escaping. The ringleader of the conspiracy, Launtrell Williams Jr., was on home confinement at the time of the offense, as alleged for a prior firearms conspiracy charge in conviction out of the Southern District of Florida. Towards the end of his prison sentence, he had been granted home detention. Part of the terms of his home detention were that he would not commit another federal offense or possess a firearm. His father, Launtrell-William Sr., is alleged to have helped plan and execute the federal kidnapping as charged in the complaint,

and as described, furthering the complaint, within hours of leaving the Dallas studio, a number of the defendants were on social media displaying some of the items that appeared to be the jewelry that had been robbed from the victims. Well, here at Higher Learning, we all have to say, first of all,

that these are the government's allegations that are being made. There's a resume made that everyone here, everyone that was just named is innocent. they're not technically innocent they're innocent until the government proves their case they didn't do it now that that's out of the way

yo man what the fuck dog like what the fuck is going on man so I guess my question is Firt Poo Shisees like been October 2025

22 like several federal cases I think we know what's the most important development out of this. Which is? This is in the Northern District of Dallas. The most important thing is, will my dad

get the case? Your dad might get this case. That's the important. Wow. That's the most important thing. The hip-hop judge. Will he or will he by get this case? What does that mean for us if he gets the case? Well, one, we ain't talking about it anymore. No, that's tough. Yeah, we can't.

But I will be, I will be reporting live from the court. I will be going to court. So the lore on this was that Pushai is signed a Gucci man Or was the lore on this was that Either he wanted out of a contract Or he wanted different terms of a contract

If there was a money dispute of some sort So he signed under Gucci? Yeah So Hold on Check everything that I'm saying by the way But the lore on this was that there was a contractual dispute

between the two and that this was the way that that dispute was going to be settled through this type of deal. The lawyers apparently were unavailable and he

they went to run up on Gucci over some shit like this. I don't know if that's true. I don't know if there's something more to that. I don't know what the fuck is going on. What I do know is I just have so many. any questions. Number one, how in the fuck did they think they were going to get away with this?

I have a question for people out there. My young brothers that's in the street still doing their thing. Do you want to get away? I'm serious. Because growing up, growing up, I didn't know very many people who pulled a jug or did something, was involved in something. and then like went to the police and went, hey, I kill somebody. Or just like, look, do you know people that like took a chain and then flex the chain? Yeah.

Do you know people that would like, that would run off at the mouth about shit that they had did? Yeah. But there was a thought when I was growing up that once guys did a crime, that they wanted to get away with the crime, that the point of the crime was to get whatever, resources that you got from the crime and then not go to jail.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Is that still a thing? Well, we've talked about drill rap on this podcast. Right. We talked about the rappers that were on the golf course singing to Vanessa Carlton song and bragging about all the people that they had killed and what they had done. And it was a back and forth. and more people got killed after that.

It was almost as if it was cool, it was bragging, making light of it. And I don't know if part of this is, because that's what's trendy, which is outrageous. I don't know if it's because we live in a world where we are so desensitized to things that it's almost as if these rappers are acting like they're not living in reality

and whether it's murder, whether it's a charge, whether it's any kind of criminal thing, it's like it doesn't stick. I mean, I'm looking at push-sheist these legal issues right now. And going back six years, there's, you know, you've got a state charge. You've got a federal charge. He actually was sentenced to five years. He served three years.

He just got released in October of 2025. And here we are again with another federal charge. It's almost as if it's just not real or this is what makes them relevant or cool. I don't understand. Or it's almost as if, similar to social media, right? What do they say? If you didn't take a picture, if you didn't post, it never happened. So it's almost as if, well, if I don't brag about it, if I don't show what I did, then this never happened.

Like, they want you to know. I know, I know. I'm just saying, it's changed. What happened? I don't know. I had nothing to do with it. But think about back in the day, right? You went to a party, you had a great time.

You didn't need to tell everybody about it. you didn't need to post it all the business of who was there or talk about it. It was just the fact that you went. You were present. You enjoyed the whole thing. You got what you needed from it. That's how crime kind of was back in the day, you know, to make your point.

Now it's like you have to publicize it or else it doesn't count. Like that's how it's how it feels. Well, okay, so look. And I feel like Bernard's itching to say something. Like, okay, so look. Obviously, guys were always fly. on the street with the stuff that they got from crime. Right, you know, you see somebody,

I remember there was a nigga in the block or in the block. He lived in the block. He lived in the street. It was a nigga from Gardier and he just started having shit. At first it was shit. I mean, back then it was like, it was funny. My Baton Rouge experience, that's why I'm so interested in watching stories of guys from D.C.

or Harlem or like even LA and stuff like that I didn't know too many people that like in Baton Rouge that had a fucking Lamborghini or like a range rover or something when you came through with the fucking forerunner that was brand new

and it was like oh shit he's getting it and then there was a couple of guys I'm not going to name their names shout out to them that really had it that was going for but like you know if you want to get if you want to buy your mother something Tiffany in Baton Rouge, you couldn't even buy it in Baton Rouge. You have to go to New Orleans to get it.

Okay. It's a different understanding. Is that still the case? Yeah, you can't even, if you want to buy Louis and Baton Rouge, you've got to go to New Orleans. Yeah. Like, there might be a couple places you might, but like that stuff doesn't even, you know.

Yeah. So not that kind of have those. There's no like Fendi store in the Mall of Louisiana. I don't know, maybe there is now. I don't know. There wasn't then, though. But so like getting it to us, you could tell when somebody was getting it,

but it wasn't overwhelming. Like, a nigga went to Miss a Goldman in the mall and he had some jewelry and stuff like that, but it wasn't like, oh, my God, this guy, but we knew. We knew. So there was a way that you told

that you had what you had. There's a way that you told. Like, walking about this house, they got the big screen TV, they got all kinds of, there's a way that you told that you had what you had. So I'm not saying that people were ever, like, not flashy with their shit and all that.

And you hear the stories about guys in New York, guys in D.C., guys in Miami, guys, other places. They got a car, a different car every week. They got chains all over there. So look, flamboyant with the crimes that you commit. There was only a couple of guys that had the discipline not to do that.

I get it. You're a celebrity. You're a pusha. You're a celebrity. You're robbing a celebrity violently with all your people. Right? And then you're flexing a body. People are going to talk.

I don't know how much Gucci's going to have to say. Are the fans going to be able to make this case? Are the fans going to be able to make this case? without Gucci. And if you are Gucci, what do you do in this situation? Like, are the feds going to be able to make this case without Gucci? It seems like they feel like they can. Maybe not kidnapping, but robbery.

The robbery and all of that stuff. It seems like they got that. The robbery bar for sure. Everybody in hip hop is going to be asking the question whether or not Gucci in any way, shape, or form is going to cooperate with the investigating feds in this case where it looks like something might have happened to him. it don't seem like he is apt to do that. So we'll see how much evidence they have to...

Why do you say that? How do you know that? How do you know he's not apt to do that? How do you know he didn't already assist with the reason this arrest happened? It's a good question, and this is the answer. The answer is because there's still a part of me that believes the fairy tales that these guys tell about themselves. There's still a part of me that believes it. a part of me, I mean, there's lots of

reasons to believe a lot of stuff that Gucci says. Like, there's been time that he's served. There's been people that he's actually killed. Whatever. So, there's a lot of reason to believe that. But part of me believes that there are still some of these guys that believe the stuff that they're putting out

there. Like, I just let people know right now, if you rob me and the police go, hey, Van, did you get robbed? And be like, yeah, officer, six foot one, like 175 pounds. You know, He had only God can judge me on his neck. Could you please go get my computer back?

So just don't do. I'm like, that's... You didn't say. That's not what happened. Okay. It was some different shit. Like, I didn't even see the people, but, um, they just waited a car. But like, it...

What I'm saying is that, like, in this situation, Gucci almost can't be Gucci as preposterous as this sounds and cooperate with the fares in this case in any way, shape, or form. Well, we'll see. he almost can't be Gucci and do that well like or maybe he can be maybe he should like he should if it happened he should

I don't even fuck about none of this but like just man is push is push is he addicted to prison like I don't want to say that this happened just like this this is everybody involved in this is innocent but if this in fact happened you just got

fucking back you just got back you just got back you just got back. You can't fuck for two years before you go back inside. You're putting logic to it. I mean, like I just said, would you make a whole song like giving a full detail on what you did and how you did it? Like, no, there's just different. Like this generation is just different. It feels like in how they handle it and how they do it. It's almost like for cloud. Like they want everybody to know. And if he was sentenced for so many years and only stayed some of the time, maybe he feels

Like it's worth it. It's like even even jail isn't real to him. Prison I should say because it was federal. Push ice was released October 6th, 2025. Mm-hmm. Bro, fuck, bro. So many boats. I know he was on home confinement,

but there's so much shit to do, man. Also, there's like nine people involved. He might not even be the one who, like somebody might take, like take the whole thing. You just don't know. We don't know. Right. He might not even, this might have been done on his behalf or something like that.

I just can't imagine. in any way wanting to be a part of this. I also don't know the backstory in terms of what the reason is even, uh, what the reason is even rumored to be about this. What I had heard before was, I mean, I could read what I heard,

but I'm not going to do that. Like what I had heard before was this was about signing some kind of contract or making somebody sign something or like really some like Shig Night, death roll records read from the five heartbeats type shit. That's what I had heard back. then. I don't know if that's what the fuck happened or whatever, but it seems like there's robbery involved in all kinds of shit. So whatever. All right, let's talk about some sports. NBA, Jaden Ivy, who was traded from the pistons to the bulls at the trade deadline just a few

months ago was waived by Chicago for conduct detrimental to the team. This is following a series of Instagram live videos that he posted. Let's hear a little bit of Jaden what led to his being waived. The world can proclaim LGBTQ, right? They have, they have, they proclaim Pride Month and the NBA. They proclaim it. They, they show it to the world. They say, come, come, come join us for pride, for Pride month. To celebrate unrighteousness.

They proclaim it. They proclaim it on the billboards. they proclaim it in the streets unrighteousness so how is it that that one can't speak righteousness how is it one that how are they to say that

you you man this man is crazy um okay so apparently it's been going on for a long time he was evangelizing to reporters asking them if they were saved

if they fornicate he was doing it with his teammates he seems to have some support from within his organization but overall it seems like people in the organization had had enough of Jane Ivy there also is talk that some of this is due to maybe some mental things

he might be going through that there could be some mental illness there that he's dealing with yeah it's from deals with depression and some other things but it's kind of sparked a conversation about whether or not he should be able to espouse his religious beliefs and not be kicked off his basketball team. I mean, you know, I understand like the free speech and, you know,

I don't think that anybody's coming on to him because he's, you know, believes a certain religion or he practices a certain way. It's really the fact that it seems to be hindering and affecting, you know, I guess camaraderie within the locker room or even how they're able to function. It seems like it's becoming a hindrance at this point. So it seems like I guess they're well within their right to do it. What was the term they used conduct detrimental to the team?

And so I guess like they seem to be within their right to let him go because of that. I didn't look at it more of that. I looked at it more as like, you know, it's being reported that he's going to get his whatever he was supposed to make in the last year of his contract he's going to get to him.

But all I kept thinking was I don't know, you say this has been going on for a while. He's been, he hasn't played with Chicago, what, since February? Because he had another injury. He's only been there for four games.

He was with Detroit before. He was with Detroit before. And it seemed like his career was on an upward trajectory. He gets hurt. He gets hurt again. And, you know, he hasn't been the same sense. And yes, it looks like, oh, he's going to get paid out of the, you know, the rest of his

rookie contract and get money. But like my concern was, all right, this seems like a guy who needs help. That's all I kept thinking. It seems like this behavior seems to be abnormal. It seems to be have been happening, but it seems to be more recently happening. And I guess I kept thinking, I know that there's a lot of data about young men when they're their mid-twenties and mental health issues. They get an onset of new mental health issues.

And that's what I kept thinking about with him. And although he's getting his money, I kept thinking, so now what? Who is going to help this young man? Because it seems like this is a cry for help. It seems like he needs assistance in some kind of way rather than just to be thrown off the team and here's the rest of your money. Like, what is the aftercare like? Like, when do we start looking at him as not just an asset on a team and looking at him

as a person who maybe needs help. That's how I looked at this entire situation. And the other side of it is, maybe if he was a bigger player and more of an impact player, maybe somebody they had spent more money on, maybe they would be helping him off the court and would not have let go of him as a team

because he was such an asset. Hmm. I mean, you know, the way sports work is your game gets you a longer leash to be a nuisance. It's the way that it works to be a nuisance on and off the corner. I mean, there are guys in the NBA that have domestic violence cases. So that's certainly what you just said is certainly true.

You know, you know what this makes me think of? First of all, I'm going to hold space for the fact that Jay and Ivy could be going through something. Have to hold space for that. It seems like. I have to hold space for that. But you know what this kind of makes me think of? It makes me think about the Tourette's situation at the Baptist. Because the question becomes, I think it's a question where, you know,

We're all trying to ask as we live in society. The question becomes if it was, in fact, true that Jay and I.V. was going through something with the three questions. If Jay and Ivey is going through something, does that mean how much patience, how much grace do we give someone that's going through something if they spout rhetoric that is hateful? How much space do you give someone that's going through something if the rhetoric that they're spouting is hateful. If it's not just hateful, but it's harmful.

It's something that is used to empower narratives that makes people's lives smaller. Like, how do you deal with that? We've had that conversation surrounding the BAFTA Awards when, you know, we all have to be triggered as we watch, uh, right, right, Jordan, Delroy, and Lindo, um, watch a racial, ethnic slur, racialism of the end word, nigger, nigger. I don't know why I'm talking like I'm on a fucking Walmart panel, a nigger, them called niggers, you know, during the stage, like during the show, like,

on the stage. Like, we're watching these two beautiful men up here celebrating the war, this achievement, and the nigger, it's like, okay, nigger. It almost seems like, what the fuck? What do you want me to do? What do you want me to do? What do you want me to be like, oh, my God, like, I understand. It's like, what do you want me to say?

I'm a human being person. And so, it's like what? In this situation right here, yeah, sure, like he's going through something. It seems like he's going through something. And it also seems like he has a very distinct set of beliefs that have been with him for a long time. This is what Jay and I if he believes. This is, you know, there's more stuff. He said Catholicism is false religion.

He said, whatever. It says like that. Your belief system is not a shield. Right? It's not a shield. Right. It doesn't excuse it. Yeah.

How can I say this? do I would if I was in here right now and someone came up to me and they said you know forget

about Prada for a second if someone said you know I think on general the IQs of black people are lower than they are of other groups around like I think that

I think that there's scientific evidence to prove that Like, I think that I can prove that and have that conversation. Would I rage at that person? No. If I was curious enough in the moment, I might actually even have that conversation, right? I wouldn't want to work with them. And me not wanting to work with them because they think I am inherently stupid.

You can say whatever you want about that. I just wouldn't want to work with them. So a lot of times we talk about free speech. And we don't make to me, free speech is free speech and that's very important. But there's also, to me, moral, there's moral consideration even inside of free speech. And that's where things get really dicey.

You should be able to say whatever you want to say. But I think what's more meaningful to me is what's being said and why the speech is controversial. Like if kneeling before the National Anthem, if that's controversial, I want to have a conversation. Why? Why is refusing to show deference to the flag of a country that is enslaved, imprisoned, raped, and tortured? People who look like you, why is that so controversial? The actual conversation isn't about free speech.

It's about why protest in that situation is actually. sexually harming someone. What are you holding on to? What conversation am I trying to have? If your speech denigrates one group, if your speech puts one group into crosshairs, there are people that are going to go,

I don't want to be around you. And they should. Right. And by the way, that goes for everyone, right? If sometimes when we have conversations, we might say white people, we might say white this, we might say white that. If there are white people out there that go,

Van has a little bit too much of an edge for him and the way he talks about whiteness, the way he sometimes, I fully accept that. Yeah. Like I have no, I'm willing to have a conversation about why it is, I believe,

what I believe, how I believe systems of white supremacy influence, not only the society we live in, but the entire world, right? I'm willing to have that. And if that's too much for you, peace. No problem with that.

If that's too much, no problem with it, whether I think it's fair or unfair. So with this situation with him, I do think that there need to be people that rally around him and try to make sure that there's nothing else influencing the things that he said.

But at the same time, we also just listened to Kanye West for three or four years where a Nazi insignia, a swastika around his neck, come out and kick a K-robe, do all of this stuff, right? And if people decide they don't want to be around that, then it's fine. If people decide after he says, I'm sorry, I was going through something,

and if people go, hey, we understand that and they have no problem going out, that's fine too. I don't make any moral judgments about anyone that was streamed the music or the fact that he sold out fucking so far as things like things are going okay for him, right? No problem with that. But anyone that goes, that's too much. Cool. And in this situation right here, the league or the team that doesn't feel like they want to be in the middle of a firestorm of controversy. Right.

Because Jaden Ivy doesn't think that the lifestyles of gay people, excuse me, the lives of. of gay people, not lifestyle, the life of gay people, the safety of gay people that that should be celebrating, that's on him. Yeah, no, it's totally on him. I didn't even really pay attention to the free speech argument of it all. Because, and also with it too, like obviously the NBA

is involved in Pride Month and they have been. And what I love about that is not just celebrating a community of people and making them feel welcome, into your sport. But traditionally when it comes to, you know, well, I mean, basketball is women too, but like when it comes to like football or basketball, you see men who are afraid to live their true life

or have come out after they've retired or just stop playing in general or get injured, whatever it may be. They don't feel like they can live their lifestyles. And so what I love when I see a league take part in this is it is okay for you to be. you. It's why it's called pride. You should take pride in who you are. And when you have someone who knows, like you, it's reporters, it's staff, it's teammates, you have no idea if what you're saying directly makes them feel scared or endangered because of the things that you're saying, because you're

saying these things out in public, which also might incite people to be harmful to the queer community. So, I mean, like, the whole free speech thing, whatever, I really don't think that that's even an issue. I totally agree that what the things that he's saying have been detrimental to the conduct and actions have been detrimental to the team and to the players and to the fans and to the public. And, yeah, like, I think that, I think he needs help.

I really do. I think there's something going on here, but I agree with letting him go for the team. Like, I don't know how he could say. I mean, look, it, it, look, man, Jay Nivey is about to go on a run. Jay and Ivy about to be at CPAC. He's about to do a whole thing.

He's going to get a soft bed to land on the whole nine. There are some dynamics that's happening with him and his wife inside of his family. Maybe there's something more to the fact that he is kind of in a, in some sort of spiral. That's cool. But the reality, just remember, you guys, if your religion, your mantra, your whatever, if it's aimed at one group of people, especially if that group of people is a persecuted group of people

or group of people that are struggling to access their safety in this country and you will like fuck them, whatever. If I was Catholic, I wouldn't want to be fucking on the team with him. You know what I mean? It's like Catholic. Come out, like think about it.

Like the whole deal, I get it. It's a part of it. So I don't really have a problem with them deciding that he can't play for the Bulls right now. and I also don't think that's just about this. I think that this is probably the straw that broke the proverbial camel's back. But if you listen to what people are saying around the league and what the team is saying, this has been going on for a while.

We're going to end with Deonté Wilder. Before we get to Deonté Wilder, come walking, coming back. Deontie Wilder. God, Brandy. Jesus. Donnie? Yeah, she's got a new memoir called Phases. And in said memoir, she talks about her past relationship with boys to men's Juania Morris.

She says that the relationship in the 90s began when she was 16 and he was in his early 20s and was kept secret to avoid scandal. She describes their relationship as emotionally damaging incites manipulation, insecurity, and a power imbalance. She also reveals that she lost her virginity to more. Morris and later discovered that he was cheating, which ended the relationship. And we do have some sound from an interview in 2014 with the Breakfast Club where he talks about his relationship with Brandy. And you had a celebrity relationship. Were you the only one that was ever involved with a celebrity?

Juan Ye was banging Brandy. Brandy. He left to lonely brokenhearted. No, I didn't actually leave a little bit of them. He was teaching regular how to do videos. Wow. You told Randy how to do this. That's why they called you squirt.

That's what I was thinking. I mean, Brandy even sitting her behind the music that you broke her heart because you fell in love with somebody else. I mean, you only fall in love with somebody. You only fall out of love with somebody else if somebody makes you fall out of love. You know, so if that was the situation, that's what she said.

That's political. I like that. I can't, you know, I can't contest to her view about it. I can just only live by my view. Revolt. They were saying she was really young when y'all dated. Yeah, she was. Not that young. God, not getting you. No, I'm going to say.

No, I'm going. That's why, that's why, that's why I'm not, that's why I stopped it. Hold on, but that's why I stopped it and said that she, she wasn't that young because I don't want you all to think boys to men was, no. I was young, too. She said she was 15 and she had to keep it a secret because she was so young. No, no, see, see, we, we did the thing. We did the thing when she was like 16, 17 around that time, you know.

So you were still a boy, too. I wasn't too, I wasn't old. I wasn't too many. Yeah, I wasn't like 30 years old or not like that. I was old enough to, she was old enough to get it. Okay. But was illegal in the state y'all was in. I mean, we was always in different states.

We was on. What was illegal? They had a nomad relationship. You know what I didn't do it in the states that it was illegal in? Nice. Oh my gosh. Political.

No, no, no. You know what I mean? It was a time. It was a relationship. It grew and it grew. Ungrew. Squared and it unscured. Squirted and unsquarted.

You know, I remember this. You remember when they date it. I did. The brokenhearted video, they were playing with a puppy together in the video. It's a fact. Lonely, brokenhearted. I remember it like Brandy and Juan. We were dating.

They were playing with a puppy in the video together. So Brandy's like a year older than me. Wanyan Boys and the Men were around. We didn't really know how old they were. Like, I wouldn't have known how old Wanyi Moore's was in like 95 or 94, whatever this was. I wouldn't have known how old he was. It didn't, at that point, it didn't seem like that big was a deal. Of course it didn't.

They didn't want you to. Yeah, because I didn't know how old, for all I knew, boys to men was like 19. Like when they came out they was in like school Like apparel and shit like that So I didn't really know how old he was But like now Nobody made a big deal about it then That's just a fact

Nobody made a big deal about it then Now It's clearly fucked Mm-hmm Mm-hmm When was that that clip was what 2014? 2014

So before me too First off I'd like to say This is another point For Drew Hill And the whole thing That's another point. That video is disturbing too because, and I asked specifically, was this before me too? Because we know that that's when obviously people had spoken out about inappropriate relationships before, but that was the turning point where it was everyone was saying no.

No, like every people were challenging it, coming out with their stories. Like you couldn't, you couldn't just dismiss it as we just saw Wanda. do in that clip. And what's disturbing is that's a room full of people laughing when he outright admits she was 16. That's a minor. Then he goes, she could get it. And he laughs. And then fast forward to where we are now. And you hear Brandy talking about how damaging that was to her, how that was her first relationship. I mean, like, that is what was her introduction to sex, to intimacy, to what she felt was love at that time. And she fell for this person who she says.

I mean, he came, he basically her description is he groomed her. He prayed on her youth, her innocence, her being naive in the industry, her admiration for him for what he had already built with boys to men. And he pursued her. He basically conquered her. And when he was done with her, she was disposable and he moved on. And the way he's even talking in that clip is exactly, kind of verifies exactly what she's saying.

She was old enough to get it, and it grew to something, and then it was done. And it was on to the next for him, not realizing that, okay, you might look at yourself as a few years older than her,

but there's a lot of, there's a lot of experience between that. Yeah, 16 and 22, there's no way to, yeah. And he had been in the industry. Like, you're not just a 22-year-old who grew up in some sheltered life. Like, you are a star. You are on,

she is on your tour as an opening act when all of this was happening. So like it just shows the sign of the times and, you know, it just speaks to things that we've talked about before as you saw like that was a trend back then. You know, back then for whatever reason, whether it was, you know, you had a lot of teen stars that were coming up and like maybe parents who weren't as aware of the industry. And so you had the older mentor who was taking them under their wing. but at the same time in some of these cases grooming them and taking advantage of the fact of how naive they were. And then it was a time where these type of relationships were accepted.

They weren't challenged. They were downplayed. Like even you said, as you're watching the video, I remember watching the video. Like, I'm not thinking, well, how old is he, how old is she? That was also part of the system that existed. And even if someone did probably think it was wrong, they probably feared losing their job or their reputation being tarnished because they did challenge something. that they knew was inappropriate. And then I think we moved through time

and then you had sites like gossip sites and TMZ who would talk about it, but they still didn't necessarily challenge it. Like they still didn't necessarily say, I didn't still get the critique that you saw developed later in the Me Too times. It was more like salacious or if it was something like a big deal

or maybe there was like something criminal attached to it, it grew to something and pointing out how inappropriate was. But it really wasn't until, the Me Too movement that you said, okay, I'm going to challenge this. And then you had people having documentaries, lawsuits, telling their stories, writing memoirs, to where it's like, all right, this was exploitation. This was actually an issue.

And we need to talk about it and not dismiss it and excuse it. And that is why in 2014 you have Waiyei laughing about it on a very public platform. And in 26, he's fucking silent. Yeah. So, well said. So, like, the reason why this story is so. interesting to me is because of what you just said. The conversation here about the way the women

involve, the girls, the girls involved in this situation felt is important to societally setting the boundary. It is. Because there was something commonplace about this then that's difficult for people that are young now. to understand. There was something commonplace about dudes rolling up in cars

and picking girls up from high school. Yeah. There was something commonplace about celebrities dating women much younger than them. Jerry Seinfeld was 40 years old. He was 17-year-old girlfriend. A 17-year-old girlfriend.

And whatever to bring him into, whatever. Walking on red carpets, going to events. A 17-year-old girlfriend, right? Mm-hmm. And look, it's like, that was legal where they were right that was legal where they were so there's going to be a lot of people

but like the fucking appropriateness of that the power dynamic the imbalances to hear how the young women felt in those situations that is the type of stuff the girls have to feel how the girls

felt the girls felt in those situations that's why we need to do it because we need to be able to set a standard that is enduring. Yeah. When it comes to this, a standard that can be reapplied that we can all agree on. Mm-hmm. Like, I'm not even going to try to act like that I ever heard any alarm bells raised during that time over this relationship.

Because I would be lying. They just weren't. Now there were alarm bells raised over R. Kelly and Alia. After they got married. So there were situations, like I heard people say it, right? Because there was a discussion, Alia versus Brandy, about the innocence that Brandy exuded and the more grown-up nature of at least Alia's aesthetic at that time.

Because Brandy was, I want to be down, sitting up in my room, brokenhearted. Alia was back, back, she had the shades on the whole nine and the midrift, the midriff and all that stuff. So there were even conversations then that juxtaposed them as far as this is your innocent, this is kind of your back,

whatever, whatever, all that stuff was like. But the R. Kelly thing, he was such an influence on her. I remember there was a report and it was just like, on BET News, BET News used to flash in. This happened. BET News used to flash in

and it would be somebody talking over a video that was playing. It would be like, hey, it's rumored that R. Kelly and Alia got married at this particular time at this point, blah, blah, blah, that happened. And R. Kelly and Alia back and forth, the video is playing and somebody saying that in the background. And I remember, I went, yo, how fucking, how fucking old is she? Like, whenever, I was like, how old is Alia? and like people go back and they act like the R. Kelly-Alia marriage was something that was a rumor. Yeah, they do. They act like that.

That was no, it wasn't something that was a rumor. It was something that was like reported on. It was something that like got out. And people were like, wait, wait a fucking minute. Like how old? How old is she? Like what's going on here? But then there were just other things that have existed in celebrity culture.

There was like the Jerry Lee Lewis bio pit came out. Oh, yeah. Red Balls of Fire. And Winona Ryder played Jerry Lee Lewis's 13-year-old cousin that he was in a full-on relationship with and had married. Yeah. And then in that movie, I'll never forget it. They painted this relationship, which was loving as the reason why Jerry Lee Lewis's career fell off. and when they showed the girls

that were like making fun of Jerry Lee Lewis and they were doing like this you almost felt like they were the enemy against this like Great Balls of Fire is a complicated movie about like all that. It doesn't really portray Jerry Lewis as like this great no he's like an abuser he's an alcoholic

he's an alcoholic but still though that part of it was almost harking back to a time where that was regular yeah so I think a lot of these things have to be discussed in order for us to understand not that they were inappropriate

but they were profoundly wrong and this seems stupid to have this conversation now but I'm trying to have it and also hold space for the fact that we did not have it then. I was in the fucking ninth grade but like we did not have it then I did not see that conversation

with the exception of R. Kelly and Alia I did not see that conversation being had then. I did not see anyone And I hear girls now, last thing I say, I hear girls now, once again, around town, you know people. And like I knew a girl back in the day and she was telling me about somebody that was famous at the time that would come pick her up from high school. When she was in high school. It's like, oh, how do you know him? He's in this group or whatever, whatever, what is, older group from the 80s.

Like, oh, yeah, like, yeah, I just think he would come pick me up from school. And that shit used to happen when I was in high school. Like in 80s movies, you would see the hot girl at the school. like she's a junior or whatever, her boyfriend was in college, like, or older. Kelly from Saved by the Bell. Oh, you're so right. Broke up with Zach Morris.

That's a good example. They were in high school and saved by the bell. Kelly started dating a guy. The manager. The manager that was way older. And that was Zach's nemesis. And when they found out it, it was just something that like almost was a part of culture that hadn't been quite discussed.

This is in no way trying to contextualize this situation or making anything less than what it is. Speaking to the culture, it became normalized. It became almost seemed cool. For the women, it was like, you chose me. It almost was glorified because of being so naive to the situation. I mean, the list goes on and on. Elvis and Priscilla. You know what I mean?

Russell Simmons and Camorra. Carl Malone fathered a child with a 13-year-old. And like, we just kept it more. moving. It was, it's not, I know you're not, we're not talking about just like, oh, this is what was back in the day. It's just pointing out how problematic this culture was. And for various reasons, for how women were viewed, you know, for misogyny, for like that. If I'm being honest, like, my grandparents, like, there's a huge, like, one was adult, one was a teenager. Like it's it was almost just like that's just the way it is

That's just what happens and parents approved it Friends approved it and I'm not even talking about famous people It was just almost like oh like you talk about Jerry Lee Lewis It was his cousin he asked for permission her parents said yes Is there something to be said when we're having this conversation that's incredibly uncomfortable Is there something to be said about in any way? holding space for the fact that society has moved. And let me tell you why I say that.

The reason why I say that is because we get more information and we try to change things, right? Like there was a time when it wasn't just okay, but it was necessary to send some kid to work at 11 years old. You could make the argument that it was necessary, right? You can make the argument that it's, that, that in past societies, if the society was like highly agrarian

or like deindustrialized, that the moment that you could do something that you needed to pitch in because you were going to be a resource drain on a family, you're just going to be eating milk and cheese and wheat and all of that stuff. And if you can't get out and help,

then you're not, they're not producing more. And then, thanks to a lot of labor unions and stuff like that. You know, kids go to work in factories. And we go, you know what? We should not have children working in factories. They are like specifically vulnerable to certain types of things. Their brains are still developing.

We should take kids out of those. Then that is a deal. Yeah. And so what you're talking about specifically with your grandparents, this is just me saying that that was commonplace because no one thought it was wrong. Well, I'll go back. If you talk about child labor and how things change, if you go back, it's how women have been viewed historically. What up?

In society, women did not have rights. Women were supposed to be taken care of. Like, they were chosen. Like, I'm not going to say it was an arranged marriage, but, like, yeah, like, part of, like, the getting together, it wasn't, like, passion and love and in the way that we do it now. And you hopped a relationship until you find that kind of person in chemistry. It was about survival. It was about a partnership. It was about building something together.

And the women weren't looked at it. It wasn't even necessarily, I'm not excusing it, an age thing. It was, I'm going to pick, choose this woman. I'm not looking at the disparity in our age. She's going to be a provider. She's going to have children. I'm going to take care of her because she can't vote. She does, she can't own a bank account.

She can't get a certain job. She can't provide in that way. That's my job as a man. And obviously that has changed as we've, moved to 2026, but gradually that was the case. It was like the woman was there to do so, to take care of the household, to create a family to build that so the man could go out and do whatever without age necessarily being a consideration because the power imbalance was a part of the relationship. That was intentional. The woman wasn't looked at as you're equal. You were

supposed to be, have an advantage in the relationship. And I, and like some of that still carried on, even up into the 90s, into the 2000s, because it was so deeply embedded about gender roles and how women's placed in a society versus men. And once again, this is the reason why these accounts are important is because no one is asking women, particularly young women, girls, what they want and how they see their lives. They're a commodity, and so in being a commodity,

they exist in the purpose that a commodity exists for to be valuable to someone else in the way that that person says that the commodity is valuable. The price goes up and down, not by humanity, but by market force. And for a long time, women were treated like that. And they were treated like that in terms of marriage. And they're treated like that, still treated like that. Treated like that in terms of marriage, treat like that in terms of marriage, treat like that in terms of all kinds of things.

And as a man, sometimes you dehumanize women just through socialization. Like, I've told this story before, but my father looks at me one time and he goes, I love my father, guys. So the guy passed away. I don't know if you guys know about my father died some years ago. But my father looks at me, he goes, oh, you're a virgin. I'm like, yeah. He's like, he's about to be 16. I'm like, yeah, he's like, you know, well, you know, you're Lathen, man.

You shouldn't be a virgin at 16. Like, Latham, we're good looking. we were whatever whatever not many of us get to 16 and had no pussy yet right about ways that went like as soon as he had that conversation with me that changed my view of women because women were no longer people

that like existed to do whatever they wanted to do and their friends and we do group projects and hang out like I wanted to have sex with women don't get me wrong I saw a bra strap you've told us 92 changed my life you told us

this actual tities under there like she girls got tities for real it's not just exists on TV the tities on the bus which you change me um but what women then became at least for a little while as you try to unlearn things is uh a way for me to access my manhood they became a right of passage not like a people but they became tools for me to live up to the standard of my father and my uncles and my cousins and everybody else and so i looked now it's about that that like was existential to me like it like went away but

Like now that's the thing. And when we have conversations with this like Brandy, it takes the image of Brandy from that video where they're playing with the dog and the video or whatever. And it gives that person a voice other than a singing voice. Like you're talking about it now. You hear the way she looked at it. And you're not going to be able to get out of this situation

without hearing from Juan Ye. If Juan Ye or anyone thinks this is a, as much as it can be, This is an earth-shattering, bombastic revelation. It is. It is. Even for people to know the exact ages here, because I promise you,

the internet wasn't around. So it was just thought, boys to men are young. Brandy is young. That's okay. Like, the internet wasn't around where I could just go in here and go exactly how old is this person at every single time.

Like, in that situation, you knew R. Kelly was old as fuck. But like the internet just wasn't around in that regard. So now that you're hearing from her, you're hearing not only is this age gap existing, which is completely inappropriate, but more so you're hearing that the age gap was exploited. That what she believes that the age gap also equated in experience gap, not just a life experience gap, but an industry experience gap. and she's claiming that that was exploited. That is classic and he's going to have to say something. He's just going to have to say something

because I haven't read the memoir, but her tour on this is just beginning. Yeah, yeah, yeah. All right, Donnie. I'm happy Brandy is telling her story and like controlling the narrative. Like I'm happy that she feels empowered or comfortable enough to do it

because again, that wasn't always the case. And, you know, we're having this conversation, but not everybody, I've seen it online already. Everybody, not everybody sees it that way. Sees it what that way? The way we're talking about it, about her being taken advantage of. I don't even want to get into it,

but I've just seen not everybody have the same viewpoint that we do, which is outrageous, but I'm just saying I'm proud of Brandy because you know you're going to get blowback regardless from it. whenever somebody tells their story about somebody who is revered and it causes you to look at them

in a negative way or it portrays them in a light completely opposite from how you've always seen them because Boisman definitely always was presented as like the good ones, the good positive guys. Yeah, there will always be people

who still try to defend that. And so despite that, Brandy is still telling her story so I'm saying good for Brandy. Well, this is why I know about this. I know two things. Number one, I know that dudes as seniors in college

should not be fucking with sophomores in high school. Yeah. All right. Like 22 and 16, that's a no-go, right? It's a six-year age gap, but at that particular point

in the sixth-year age gap, that's a no-go. Yes. Also because of who he was. Yeah, a lot of experience there. But as far as everything else, I'm saying that this is what Brandi is saying.

Mm-hmm. Hearing what he is saying about this would be very important. Well, we know. I wasn't there. So I don't know. He said it. Well, he heard him.

He said she was old enough to get it. He didn't say that he groomed her and all. No, he probably won't say that. But he admitted to her being under age and said, oh, she can get it. And he laughed about it. Right. I get what you're saying. What I'm saying is like the inappropriateness of this is set in stone.

There is no way around it. That is what happened was wrong. Easy to see that that's wrong. Easy to see that's wrong, but she's going deeper. She's actually talking about a part of this that no one has ever talked about, that it wasn't just the age gap that was wrong, that the age gap led to him being able to manipulate her and take advantage of her in ways that he might not have been able to do

with an older woman, which is the belief and the reason why guys go for younger girls like that, is because a lot of times the women that are their age, they can't do that too. We cover trick daddy when he said it. Yes, they're easily manipulated. They can't do that too. So she's talking about that. And that adds a dimension to this story

that no one had ever heard before because Brandy hadn't spoken about it yet. So he is going to have to, in some way, shape or form at some point address what she is saying. Has to. All right. Play this sound from Deonté Wilde before we get out here.

I want you to hear. Have you heard this, Rachel? Sadly, yes. You heard it? Play this song. Her mother tried to set me up, you know, to have the baby, you know. She ejected my sperm and her and ran in the bathroom

and locked the door. And that's how we had her. Really? Yeah. You know, truth be told, she don't even know I know this. Wow. But I'm telling it on to the world.

How do you know that? I'm smart. You know, when we was having sex, You know, I used to, when I came, I used to come on her stomach. You know, I used to fold my tower nicely by the bed because I would want to wipe it off her stomach. This particular time, she chose that she wanted to have a baby by me because I was the best thing they ever came into her life. Most of her relationships only last for two months or whatever because she was a promiscuous woman.

I didn't know it at the time. I only found out this thing by reading her journal. She didn't know I read her journal either. You know, so during that time, I did what I do. I had a good nut and I nut it on her stomach. This time, I went and got the towel and tried to wipe it off. She hit my hand so hard. I thought she hit my hand like a home run, like a baseball player,

do a baseball bat. So what? The woman ran into the bathroom. She used to come to insominate herself. And they had their children. They had their child. They have a child together. I was not planning on watching

Deonti Wilder and Derek Trasora. I love boxing. Both guys have been warriors for a long time, but they're both at the tail end of their careers. I think I want to watch. You want to watch now? Rachel, come on. That's a man who needs to be out of the ring.

He don't need any more hits to the head. That's how I saw it. I said, first off, you could see Pierce Morgan being like, I cannot believe this is where my career is at. Like, that's how I felt like he was looking. Deonti Walser tells us he's smart and then proceeds to continue for 90 seconds to show us how smart, in fact, he is not.

Wow. Tough. I mean, how else, like, there's no other way to slice it. I mean, but I believe he believed that. That what, that he. He believed he really was smart in how he was able to determine, what he alleges is to how he had that child. By degrading her, by degrading the woman,

calls her promiscuous, says that she's the best thing. He knows this because she's the best, I don't think this in that clip, but he knows this because she is the best thing, he is the best thing that's ever happened to her because she was promiscuous. You said to that clip? Oh, he says, okay, I guess I tuned out.

I guess I could only hear it once. Sorry, I could only hear it once. Like I just, I'm allergic to that. You know, then he's, then he's, I just, goes on to talk about, you know, how she, what, had a relationship every two months before him. Like, I just, the way, then he goes through her journal and starts reading the pages of her journal. It just like, just like all of it is. And that proves how smart he is. Yeah, he's smart. He's smart. He's smart. Smart guy.

Smart has a definition behind it. Smart actually means something. What is smart? It's, there's intellect there. That's not what I just heard. Well, look, look, all I can say is, Deontay Wilder First of all, let me be honest I just don't know what fucking timeline in the world with what the fuck is happening, bro. That's what Pierce was thinking. I saw that clip.

That's what Pierce said. I saw that clip and I'm like, yo, what the fuck is going on? He didn't crack a smile. Who, Deonti? Yeah. He deeply, deeply believes. Yes, he was dead ass serious. So this is my deal for Deontay Wilder.

That's not what happened. What happened is you nutted in her. At some point, y'all had sex. You're having, unprotected sex pre-cum is a juggernaut. Precum is a juggernaut. One day, this is what happened.

I know, because I know other niggas that have done this, Deonti Wilder has invented this entire fantastical tale of how this woman got pregnant. She ran into the bathroom, scooped the come up, put it inside of her vagina, lo and behold, the baby came. Yeah.

That's not what happened. Yeah. Okay, what happened? was y'all had sex at the wrong time of the month right maybe the right time of the month because a life was created from it okay and what happened was magic happened because you nutted inside of her might even been a little pre-cum little PC okay and then she got pregnant you all have a baby he goes on to talk about his relationship with his daughter and how great his daughter is doing and the fantastic life that his daughter is having

doesn't seem to have a great relationship with the mom because he fucking embarrassed her but like it but there you go so that but it was funny to hear because once Deonti Wiles is done in the ring she started writing scripts novels he could be the next zane

okay it's funny to hear what he thinks happened the evil woman who scooped the come off of her own stomach Because she's so desperately Desperately Wanted this fantastic man

The best thing she's ever had To change her life He is the former heavyweight champion of the world But she was like He is going to change my whole life And he is the only man That can do that for me So I must take drastic measures

I know what he's going to do I know he's going to have that towel nicely folded beside the bed. But I don't want to see it. And I know when I get up, I'm going to swat his hand. He might be a boxer, but I am going to swat his hand so hard

that I'm going to flee to the bathroom and use that come to put it inside of me to create a child. Because that is how desperately I need to be connected, attached, and a part of Deontay Wilder. That is the story that he just told. So this is the problem with me.

in this particular story as I worked at TMZ for too long and I will be lying if I didn't say something right here I don't know if it happened then but that does happen. Of course it happens. Okay? So I don't know if it happened then

it doesn't seem like it happened then because I don't know if there's any science being used like in that situation right there. I don't know if that's a if that's a thing, if that works like that. If you're out there and you have science and you know whether or not the cement can stay alive. I looked it up.

It said one to 30 minutes after it hits air. I looked it up. 30 minutes? I looked at least that's what a quick Google search show me. I said how long. Now I'm sure as the minutes go by

the lesser chance you have, but it said one to 30. That's what it said. One to 30 minutes. So if she acted fast enough, hold on for a second. Look that up and make sure it was a second. Yonty Wilder might be right.

I don't agree with him. them, like degrading her, the promiscuous stuff and stuff, but it could happen. But like, here's the thing. Yeah, like, of course there are people who try to get pregnant on purpose. Duh, like, we know that happens. But this story, I'm not giving space. I'm not giving any room for that with this story. Like, why is she got to be promiscuous?

Why can't you be the promiscuous one? Why is promiscuous never used for a man? You out here, a nutting inside of her, no protection, like talking about, Like you want to degrade her and make her seem like she's this person who has only been in these relationships for one month or two months. But like you chose her. You wanted to be with her. Why is she the promiscuous one and not you? Like I'm not giving space to anything in this situation.

That's what I'm saying. Like here it is toxic. This is the deal. First of all, he never said he wasn't promiscuous. He never said he was, but he said she was. He said she was. He said she was promiscuous. Is it wrong to describe somebody as promiscuous?

Yeah I think so Yeah I try to play that Now if she said that Okay Like just like This is why everybody

Should be open About the shit Because if if we all And that's a subjective term If we are all open Like if we're all open Then you know what If we all hoes

Then nobody's a hoe But it Sure But here's the thing Premiscuous is like My Primiscuous My definition of it Might not be

Your definition Of promiscuous Right So that's why it's wrong for him. But that's why it's wrong for him to call her that because you are putting your definition of promiscuous. That might not be the next person. It's subjective.

I don't believe in promiscuity. I don't believe it as a definition. But Deonté does. And so I'm not giving him anything. Conclusion. You know what I believe in? No more fights. This is why I believe it.

Shut up. He got one more. I think you only go. This is why I believe it. This is why I believe it. He probably does only. I believe that. you know how you could be a foodie

there's some people that eat and then some people that's foodies now you could be a foodie you could also be a fucky okay there are some people that like food they enjoy it they like to eat it

but then there's some people that just live for food they try different foods they gotta have a different food every single day they got to go like you hey Van we go across the fucking go this like little Thai restaurant

in the middle of this place we gotta have it We got to have some places, Mumfuku, like, fucking, like different places. Like, we got to have Indian food. Got to do all this. Got to experience. All of it. All the time, different types of food.

We got it. They're foodies. Exactly. I know you got it. But I just think some people are fuckies. Some people, it's the same thing. It's just with fucking. Okay.

Now, fucking is different because there's this change. You're making secrets with people. People's emotions get involved. So I'm not saying it's the same as being a foodie, but I'm saying this is a fucky. So I don't believe in promiscuity. Okay. He's probably a fucky Well, he definitely is

So if you look at all this And maybe he had a fucky Maybe they was both fuckies Maybe there's two fuckies Fucking together I want you to retire That word after this podcast Why?

I don't like it You want to retire the House of Love? They retired it for you Man, nobody believed that shit The House of Love was a flop Duh We gotta go The House of Love was a flop

Look I gotta say this to y'all man I love y'all I love y'all You know what the House of Love is The house of love, it actually will persist. What did I tell you it was? It's a house of one. It's a house of one.

Only one person lives there. Okay, that's fine. That's fine. We talk about the house of love. I thought about something. The house of love isn't something that we allow people that we are examining into. The audience is something like that. You know what the house of love is?

What? It's us and the audience. That's the house of love. That's the love that I believe in. You guys, you're upset with me. It's fine. Whatever, whatever, whatever. That's cool.

I get it. I understand it. But I still love you guys. And I'm going to love you guys, except for the people on the Reddit. All right. Who posted pictures of my life. Take us out. Take us out.

Take us out. So only people are. Everybody else. Even other people on the Reddit. I love them. House of love. They did not appreciate that shit. Yeah.

That was on the level of the January crash out almost. Take thin caps up but not stop learning What an interesting episode No guests It's been nice to have like just like talk Just talk Talk talk, it's been nice Some people don't like the guests

We are not a guest-driven show And I know lately we've been having a lot of guests So this was nice to just like You know Go back to our roots and just talk But we do have guests coming up We have a lot of guests coming up But we hear you

We hear you I get it I get it Karen Bass is coming up It's going to be on the show Yeah yeah yeah Karen Bass is coming up We got Juanier Morris

I'm just I'm just sure I'm just sure And they're not going to be the guest On nobody show I mean he can come on here We'll have a conversation Yeah we'll have to have them Stuff

Take three caps off I'm sorry I'm Van Lathan Jr. I'm Rachel and Lindsay Bye guys