Higher Learning with Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay - Pete Hegseth’s Investigation, and the Danish Deception

Episode Date: December 2, 2025

Van and Rachel are back from break to weigh in on the investigation of boat strikes, a TikTok relationship scam, and financial literacy in the NFL. Plus, Stephen A. Smith’s talking politics, tech bros are freestyling, and inmates are dancing with their daughters. (0:00) Intro (13:53) Boat strike investigations (31:19) Defining ‘remigration’  (41:46) The Danish Deception (1:04:33) Odell Beckham Jr. and financial literacy (1:17:21) An HBCU/Divine 9 debate (1:33:18) Stephen A. Smith and politics (1:41:07) A very cringey freestyle (1:47:34) Angola prison father-daughter dance (2:00:49) Gun pulled over hairline Hosts: Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay Producers: Donnie Beacham Jr. and Ashleigh Smith Video Supervision: Chris Thomas Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Yo, yo, yo, thought warriors. What is up? Howe learning is on, is Ivan Lathin, Jr. And it's me, Rachel and Lindsay. How's your Thanksgiving? It was fine. Just fine. Nah, I have fun.

You went to Layla's. Went to Layla's. How was it? Your first Persian Thanksgiving? It's a thousand people there. Yeah. Yeah. It was like a thousand people there.

Everyone was so friendly. Layla's family is, uncommonly beautiful. Yeah, they're really pretty. They're a really pretty family. No, no, no, no. Really pretty. That's disrespectful.

Layla's family was gorgeous. Everyone looked like different versions of Persian beauty. It was nuts. It was fun. Had fun at Thanksgiving. How was your Thanksgiving?

Because you were with family. It was great. I spent Thanksgiving in Houston. First time, we all gathered together since my grandmother has passed. Our generation kind of organized it and put it together, and it was really a really good time. Cowboys won, so even better. And then I went to Tulsa for the rest of it.

So did you go and commemorate the massacre? I'm sorry, what? When you were in Tulsa, did you go and pay your respects to the people? I did that last time I was there. Did you do it this time? I was supposed to do it every single time. I was asking the question. I did not.

So fuck them. Okay. So you don't care. You and your family went there. You guys don't care. I did it last time. That's funny. So when you went there the last time, just as funny,

because when you went there, what did you do? How did you commemorate it? I'd never been. Wouldn't it be better? So let me ask you a question. To commemorate or to give. Stop it, Donnie. Just real quick.

To give respect. to the survivors and the victims of the Greenwood massacre. Would it be better to, A, go there and read about it and understand it and energetically commune with them in the Greenwood neighborhood? Or B, see a white person that's walking across the street in the Greenwood neighborhood and him in the face with egg. What? Which would be better?

I'm going to go with A. You're sure. I'm positive on this one. Which do you think would please the ancestors more? So the ancestors that's up there looking, and I want to shout out the ancestors, right? Because we got different versions of ancestors. I've said this before. There are ancestors that they are tougher to please,

and then there are ancestors that is easy to please them. It's ancestors that you wake up and you just lay on the couch, and they're crying. They're going, look at him. He's doing exactly what the fuck he wants to do and no one can tell him anything. Right, right. Then their ancestors that came later on that they want you to go out and continue their legacy of activism.

Their ancestors are just happy to see you living and breathing. Sure. But I feel like the Tulsa ancestors, who we, the last living. Yeah. I feel like the Tulsa ancestors, if I was one of them, I wouldn't want to see somebody getting, hit in the face with an egg. Not anything like, not go at least have somebody when they, if you were at the Tulsa. a vigil and a white person

walk by at least give some energy go, hey, hey, what if they were there to pay their respects? Well, then you need to ask them what they learn.

What if they were? Before I throw this egg, maybe I understand. You even have to hit them with the egg. Throw the egg at their feet. You know, they walk by, boom,

and let the little yolk get on their shoes. It's actually a little funnier. Yeah, they want, don't throw the egg, don't because you're going to get, okay. Exactly.

Exactly. So don't throw the egg, don't egg, random white people, right? Don't do that. But throw the egg at their feet, like throw, like a white people if you have the Tulsa vigil and somebody walks by,

you know, they all gentrified. They listen. They got wired headphones. It is gentrified over there. Just throw an egg at their feet. Boom. Hey, man, what the fuck? Hey, don't talk to me like that. Stop. Pay your respects. Yeah, so I did not go this year, but, I mean. Donnie put in the chat by all the flexion. I know. That's why I said, Donnie. Stop.

The only survivor of the Tulsa Race Massacre died at 111. Biala Fletcher. And miss she rests in peace. Yes, yes. Now it was in and out. But you guys have fun as a family Thanksgiving. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. For adults with Crohn's disease or ulcerative colitis symptoms, every choice matters.

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Good time. Split Thanksgiving. Split Thanksgiving. So Houston and in Oklahoma. In Tulsa, yeah. Did you see that video of those people that I put up that are from Oklahoma? No. This guy that does a necessary conversations podcast and he was talking to his parents.

Yes, I know who that, because he started off doing a Bachelor podcast. I still does do it. Game of Roses. Game of Roses. We got to talk about The Bachelor a little bit later. The guy's name is Chad, right? What's his name? Very interesting podcast. What's interesting about it?

Well, the necessary conversation. Just the setup. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's his sister, right? Him and his sister talking to his parents. And I will say this, that his parents, looking at Chad and his sister, that must be his parents' nightmare. Because they look like the type of white people that I would.

would kick it with. Like the sister got the tattoos and she's, she, because Chad was being very measured and stuff with his parents. His sister was like, she cursing him out. Hey, grow to fuck up, you cope. Remember, that's the type of people I like to hang around. So knowing that those are

their kids. We can put the clip in right here if you guys want to hear it. But knowing that those are their kids, they probably were triggered. They're probably triggered, which is why they were saying the craziest fucking shit. They're from Oklahoma? They're from Oklahoma.

Okay, okay, okay. In the clip, they talked about the fact that, like, Trump likes Oklahoma, which is why Trump would never order the military to go in and kill everyone in Oklahoma or a carpet bomb, Oklahoma. And his father and mother didn't care if it happened in L.A. didn't care if Trump killed him, their son. That's how much they love Trump. Yeah. I didn't see that clip. I've seen other clips. But I know the dad is just blindly loyal to Trump. It doesn't matter what he says, does. the mom will have a little like slight empathy but then it's like well if Trump says it's okay then it's okay he tries very little so okay we're going to get into a story that's like tangential to this but i want to say this we've done glaze of the week here off and on going on like six months to a year when we do glaze of the week it's normally trump related guys sure it's difficult to find glazes

that are more direct they glaze people that glaze harder than they do for Trump. It's tough. There are some, right, but it's difficult to find. So in the new year, I'm not going to even try to hide it. I'm going to do top five Trump Dick Riders of the week. Top five Trump. Oh, every week.

Because it's that frequent. Weekly or bi-monthly, at least. Grant Cardone, you know him. Yeah, I have issues with his wife. You have issues with Grant Cardone's wife? Yeah. What happened? Not the same thing, but not.

Years ago. You know her. Years ago. I don't know her well. No, no, no, no. Years ago. Is it Cardone or Cardone? It's Cardone.

Okay. Years ago, I did her podcast when I lived in Miami because they live in Miami. And while I was like doing it, whatever went, had a conversation. I can't remember. I'm sure it was about the bachelor or something like that. And I was about to get married. And I was trying to. We were getting married to?

I was trying to help her have, like, have, like, a tease. So she was like, well, can you say the date and I'll bleep it out? And I was like, sure. I was like, sure. And I said, maybe I said the month or whatever. Anyways, and I had an exclusive with people. So, like, I really couldn't put it out there. And she was like, oh, that'd be so great.

Thank you. I'm like, trying to get my podcast up. I'm like, sure, whatever. Releases the podcast, releases the whole stuff. The thing I edited. Oh. Releases the thing I edited it. What a fool you were.

Maybe. Not like I got in trouble. I mean, I think I said the month or something like that. They ended up taking it down. Oh, you got, oh, so you're a fool. They actually made a mistake. She wasn't supposed to do it. But then she took it down.

She took it down. She put it up. She took it down. But she put it up. So do you think that she did it on purpose? Of course she did it on purpose. So did you, who do you blame her or yourself? Oh, probably.

Probably a little bit of both. A little bit of both. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But, I mean, it wasn't like the most exclusive thing, but it was kind of like, yeah, probably should have known better. It's all she was my friends. Yeah, yeah.

Anyways, keep going. Grand Cardone. That won't happen to you again. They'll never get my friend again. They'll never get your friend. They got her once, but guess what? She got back up. Wasn't that big of a deal, it was just more of annoying, right?

Like, it was like, I can stand to lose if you do do this, but it was just like, come on. I can tell you what I can stand to lose. Is this really the thing you want to do? But okay. I could stand to lose a couple. Here we go. Grant Carjone said that he spent a whole evening with Trump

and that Trump's stamina is incredible. Grant, I don't know if you was trying to do it, but it sounds like Trump fucked you. I don't think that's what he was trying to do, but yes, that is what it sounds like. I'm not saying that. Like, what do we think he was referring to? That's just all the things that he could have been referring to other than that.

Maybe they played golf. Maybe they bathed each other. It's just opposite. What? Okay, they play golf. Every time they do this, listen, can I, you know why people, people. Maybe they play video games. Maybe, maybe they was on a madden and it was a long session.

Yeah, maybe Trump was like chipper and all of that. It could be a lot of things. But listen, if people are wondering, why is the homoeroticism injected into these various things that people say about Trump or the Trump thing? It's because legitimately, and I'm going to speak to all you guys here. Because when we do the top five Trump Dick Riders of the week or the month,

maybe the month, maybe the month makes more sense. Maybe we won't do this this much. I'm trying to figure out, and we're going to get to the P-Hed sex story right now, I'm trying to figure out like at this point, at this point, what it is. Seriously, all jokes aside, listen, I get it, I understand.

Donald Trump came along and swept people up, swept them up. And there seemed to be a cultural mandate from all of the Trump supporters that shielded you, made you bulletproof in elections, made you bulletproof and rhetoric and all of that stuff, right?

Although, you know, to be honest with you, it's always worked for Donald Trump, but I could argue that running with Trump, especially lately, the last two or three years, hasn't been as bulletproof as people think that it has. There have been some very prominent mega people running with Trump that have lost races. Yeah.

I think, I mean, we always, we know it's a cult, right? Like, even us talking about the parents on the necessary conversation podcast and all that. It's a cult mentality, right? But it's when you talk about them getting swept up, it's they wouldn't have the power, the position, the fame, the money, the attachment to all of it without attaching themselves. to the Trump bandwagon. And that's really what it comes down to. So even if there might not be doing well in the polls

or might lose an election, they still are connected to Trump. And they otherwise wouldn't be. We wouldn't be talking about them. We wouldn't hear about them. They'll never be or have the status that they have right now again. They'll never be this again.

That's a good point. I mean, that's what it is. That's what it is. They'll never fool my friend again. So my point now. though is it's slipping. It's slipping. For all of you guys, it's slipping,

it really is slipping. We've talked about this before, but it's actually slipping. And your guys are still doing it. And let me tell you something else about cults that we don't talk about. I want you guys out here in the podcast land to think about all the cults that have existed.

Think about the wild, wild country people, think about David Koresh, Think about all these cults. Maxium. All of these cults, somebody was getting fucked. Okay? They were fucking.

So when people say, hey, Van, why are you saying that these guys have a desire for Trump that's carnal, carnal knowledge? That's because

I think it's bordering on that. I think they like him. I think they like the cut of his jib, his musk. I think they like them. Grant, I imagine Grant typing that tweet out. Nobody's saying, hey, Grant, sounds like you suck this dick. Stamina. Incredible stamina. Evening. Sexy boy. All right, let's move on. Pete Hexeth is, could be potentially a murderer. Could be. Wow. What special times we live here, Rachel?

Donnie, you want to get us into this story? Could be. Yeah. And proud of it. Proud of it. He loves to feel. Not just possibly. He has a blood lust.

I'll tell you what. It's about to be New Year's time. And, you know, we used to go down to Anguilla for the New Year's and all of these people used to come out in the Caribbean in their boats. Y'all better be careful out there in them boats, man. Y'all better be careful out there at Yacht Week in the Caribbean St. Barts and all of this. Y'all might get a connected strike. That's actually terrifying.

I'm just being for real. Y'all, you never fucking know. Everybody used to be out there, we'd be on the beach, and we'd see all the boats and be like, that's Michael Jordan's boat, that's, what was the nigga from BET? Which one? The guy who started BET.

What's his name? Oh, Johnson? Robert Johnson? Isn't that his name? I'm mixing it up with like, the hair. I was about to say Ben Johnson. It's not Ben Johnson.

It's not Ben Johnson. It's Bob Johnson. Bob Johnson. Bob Johnson, who worked, One of the coldest lines ever. I don't mean to out, Bob Johnson, but we was working on my first daughter ever worked at College Hill. People was mad about how much they got. Oh, you worked on that?

Yeah, people was mad about how much they got paid. And Bob Johnson told the people, he said, this was what I was told. He said, you're not here to make yourself money. You're here to make me money. And that's why he was a billionaire. Anyway, all those boats out there, those boats might get striped, kinetic strike. and if they don't get you the first time, they'll get you the second time.

Johnny? Yeah, the leaders of the House Armed Services Committee said over the weekend that they're going to seek full accounting of a U.S. military attack against alleged drug trafficking boats in the Caribbean. This is after Washington Post report alleges that Defense Secretary Pete Hagseth ordered U.S. troops to, quote,

kill everybody aboard a vessel. The post reports that the first strike on the boat left two survivors who were clinging to the wreckage, and that the special operations commander ordered a second attack to comply with Hegss's order. Okay. So what they're essentially saying is that they, if you guys don't know what's going on right now, there are people in boats in the Caribbean off Venezuela that Donald Trump and his regime claim are narco terrorists. Now, they've provided no evidence that these people are narco terrorists.

We don't know their names. We don't know where they come from, where they're going, where they're coming from. But there was a boat in these waters that we identified as acting as if they were narco-terrorists, doing things that narco-terrorists would do. That's what they said. That's what they said. Now, even some of the reasons that they've given to classify specific cartels as narco-terrorists, some of those documents are classified so we can't even see them. We haven't seen these documents, right? We don't know anything about why they're doing this.

They don't feel the need in any way to be transparent with the public as they wage what they say is a war. Normally, normally, when a war is waged, unless it's like Iran-Contra in the 80s. And it's a real covert war funded by all of this stuff, Nicaragua and all that stuff. Normally when the war is waged semi out in the open, there are reasons given to the American public. So why does this happen? And they're not trying to do that at all. they looked at this one particular boat and they said this boat is acting weirdly

they hit the boat guys survived very very two guys survived very interesting distinction there why because these guys are now out of combat right what's it called hoar her horror to combat basically they're out of combat

they're clinging to life clinging to life these guys no longer pose a threat is against international law to then do what we did according to this report which is order a second strike by Seal Team 6 and execute these guys. Hors Day Combat. Hors Day Combat. It means out of the fighting.

Out of the fight. So we then executed them. Just boom. Hexeth went in according to this reporting. Kill him. Done. Illegal. Illegal.

Inhumane, bad, wrong, everything. It's right there. Illegal, bad, humane. Illegal. Well, like, even some of the stuff that's coming out, right? So like that attack, because there have been nearly two dozen attacks over 80 people. All of them were illegal. Have been killed.

Right? But even that attack in particular, they changed the protocols after that. Like almost insinuating even more so, right? It's all illegal, right? But if you take that one in particular, which is the one at issue because of the two people that survived, and then, you know, it's being reported by the Washington Post that he said, kill them all. So that's why they did it again. They changed the protocols after that,

almost knowing that that probably may have been a step too far. It's all a step too far, okay, just to be clear. But that might have been something that was different. Other thing, in the classified briefings to members of Congress, so they've had these classified briefings, right? They've talked to some of Congress. In addition to what you're saying, they have talked to them and they still have not provided names,

organizations, evidence, nothing in terms. specifics, not even just to us, just in classified briefings to Congress. They are not providing anything, nothing. I got a couple people asking me like why I care about this. Oh my God. Why any what you care? Really? Yeah.

Like, how could you not care, but keep going? We can get into that. Yeah. Okay. Guys. What I realize is this. Guys. Well, I mean, look.

Listen, and I had to tell a friend of mine this past weekend, I had to unfortunately tell him that he is a moron. He took the news one. I'm proud of you for saying that. Hey, bro, I'm going to be honest with you, man. You just don't know what you're talking about. You're a moron. And that's okay.

So I told him this, I was like, let's say that like, because you know, this is a homie from around the way and it's not glasses. So every time I say it's one of my homies that's in the game. That's not what I was thinking. Glasses is the furthest thing from a moron. Glasses is deviously criminally brilliant. I just wish we could get glasses Malone to our side. Yeah, I mean, is he a misogynist?

Sure. Hey, who am I, right? Who am I? You can be smart and still. The glasses is brilliant. I just wish I could use glasses as polished for good. But I can't. He's got a good heart underneath it and I'm going to keep working on my brother.

It's a great brother. But look, I was talking to him and I was like, it's okay that you don't know what the fuck you're talking about. and I love you anyway, because you are a member of a street criminal organization. Let's just say that the AG, Donald Trump, everyone wakes up tomorrow and goes, you know what, we're actually fighting a war against the Crips. Correct. Like, we're fighting a war against the Crips.

Correct. We're not, the Crips aren't a criminal organization. They are a street narco-terrorist organization that the United States is in an act of war with. That means they can send a MQ40 Reaper drone over your hood and just start killing people. And not just start killing people that they've identified as Crips known Crips. Anyone wearing blue or purple or whatever it is that just says color is, they can just kill you. That's what this in these waters. That's the precedent that's being said.

The president is being said is, you know what? We don't need to come out and make a case to people about why we're doing what it is at what we're doing and telling you what type of conflict we're in, we said that we're in a war, we said that these are the combatants, we said that they are dangerous, we get to kill them with no type of oversight, with no type of restriction in any way that we want,

and trust me, bro. It just seems like such common sense. That's why I was like, wait, what? Why would somebody fix their mouth to say that why do we care about this? It's so obvious, even if you see what's happening just with immigration in this country. We talked about it at Great Lent on the podcast. The way that people are disposable, the way that this country values certain lives over others, the way that there's an overreach of power, the way that there is a disregard for laws,

the way that there is a willingness to break the law in order to achieve political propaganda that you've been spewing. I don't understand how you don't correlate the two. I don't understand how you can see that what's happening in the Caribbean is, is so far-fetched. Even Colombia is accusing the United States of killing an innocent fishermen. They're saying that the people that are being killed aren't even a part of the drug cartel. There's been reporting that we'll take the September 2nd attack, for instance, that that boat, and with 11 people, there's no way that the size of the boat and the number of people

all could have been involved with the drug cartel, even if some of it. Like that's what's being, that being reported out here. And so for you to not look at that and be terrified at what the government is willing to do, what the Trump administration is willing to do, and not think that hey, when you see how they treat anybody who is not, basically

a white straight male, right? Anybody can get it eventually. How you are not scared that eventually maybe they won't murder you, but they'll do something that puts you in a situation where they disregard your life in the name of big-uping themselves. I just don't understand how you are not terrified by that.

It's not that far-fetched. But there's one explanation to it, and it's something that I'm begging my brothers and my people to get over. One explanation for it that I came up with as I was thinking about it. Is that they feel like this already happens soon. Hear me out. They feel like they're driving down the street. The police stop them, get out, break all the rules.

these are people that have never felt covered or protected by the Constitution in any way, shape, or form. So they, making them feel like there's this impending doom that these overreaches and that it's coming for you, it's hard to do because they go,

the police do that to us all the time. Like we walk in, the police stop us, pat us down, cuff us, throw us on the ground, do us all that kind. Like, the police do that all the time. As a matter of fact, our battle with the police isn't this battle of cat versus mouse criminal against law enforcement. Our battle is like human versus non-human. Like our battle is just do shit the way you're supposed to do it.

So they always planting stuff on us. They always beating us up. Like that's how it goes. And so I think sometimes that that level of, I don't know, nihilism that comes from a group of people who are used to having their law, their rights, their human rights, their actual rights, their rights, their rights as members of the American community trampled on, that nihilism actually is being weaponized by the Trump administration in a way that the administration might not even realize. The administration might not realize that they're actually forcing something down the throat of a group of people who have lost. faith in a lot of these institutions already. So what difference does it make?

Yeah. I understand that. My retort is it can always get worse. That's, and that's the thing. And it's not just, it's not just black, I know we're having a conversation about black people, but, we're talking about this, though. But, like, there are other groups of people who also are just turning a blind eye to what's going on as well.

I guess is my point. But I understand that, but you're right. It can get worse. It can be worse. And imagine that was going on under an a minute. not as bad, imagine with an administration like this where things could go. Also, I don't think we talk enough about, like, for the people who, you know, might accept this are like, oh, it's justified because they're stopping the war on drugs.

It's like, why can't there be another way to do it, right? In the past, if they've spotted a boat that they suspect is, you know, a part of, you know, carrying drugs or members of the drug cartel or whatever it may be, they've pulled up. they've confiscated, you know, whatever drugs may be or maybe arrested people, whatever. Yeah, like, why are we not doing that, detaining suspects? Because that's not why we're doing this. Exactly. But that's, I'm agreeing with you.

They've recommissioned a naval base in Puerto Rico to be able to do this. That's not why they're doing this. They want regime change in Venezuela. And that's the questions we should be asking is there are other ways to do it. Why are they not doing this way? Because there's an ulterior motive. There's something else that it is that they're trying to do. No, I'm completely agreeing with you.

And you got, which I've said this before with Pete Hexeth, he's playing Secretary of, like what he thinks they're supposed to do. It's like the game battleship. Like, he's out there playing games with it, and that's why, you know, he put up that post that you put up on your social media with poor Franklin the Turtle turning him into that. This is a game to him. It's all a game. Not Franklin, man.

Can we leave Franklin out of this? Donnie played a Baccarat clip. He said that those orders that were given of the drug boats in Venezuela were illegal. Can you cite those statutes, please? Yes, because it's actually called the due process clause of the United States of America because can you point to one of those boats that actually had drugs on them? Do you know that? Do you know

about the Trinidadians who were killed innocently, who were just fishermen? Can you actually kill those fishermen without due process? So the answer to the question is yes, I can cite the Constitution, just as God did. Easy win for Baccari. You guys don't want Katie Miller on television, but

to me, I think that's a useful clip to show the Gulf of intelligence and information that exists between a Baccari and a Katie Miller now. Are we still mad at Bacari on higher learning? Yes, we are. Because of the election? Yes. We're still mad.

I'm not mad, Bacari. We're still mad. We're still mad at Baccarri. We got other things we need to talk to Baccarri about too, by the way. But we're still mad at Baccarre. Love Baccarre. We're still mad at Baccarri. because Baccari lied to us

You think he lied? Bacari But he also big-timed us He also big-timed us on the election night special came in You niggas just wait It's gonna be a blue wave Never happened Baccarry

He was very flipping about it too Like you guys Why are you questioning this? You know what's gonna happen That's more of what it was He was like you idiot motherfuck Motherfuck just wait till you wake up in the morning I woke up in the morning

To nothing but dread But having said that when you look at someone who understands what they're talking about and can deliver a level-headed explanation as to why this is so terrible and why she's so wrong, her being legitimately one of the densest people I have ever seen on television ever before, ever before. One of the densest, one of the best spokespeople to me ever for the ignorance of, and misinformed nature of the MAGA person, to me that's her.

And I like seeing her. I do. Because you like the back and forth. You like the debate. I do not think, like you said, easy win for Bacari, because, duh, it's due process. I don't, like, I wrote this on somebody's post.

We have Scott Jennings. We don't need Katie at the same time. You don't need to platform both of them. Scott Jennings is why you need Katie. You know. at least is a good launderer of the absurdity of Trumpism. Scott is good at laundering it. He is an effective debater.

He's an effective communicator. I think that he oftentimes sacrifices that intelligence. Of course he does. You have to. Launder what Trump is doing because I think that it's indefensible. But with her, she is not any of those things. She is a legitimate numskull. And she is a numskull with proximity

to one of the most powerful men in America. And wherever she goes, she gets embarrassed. And at a time when people are making their decision about whether to stay the course with this type of politics or whether to choose something different, I think having a mascot is a good thing. I like when the mascot come on the court, do a flip and then dunk the ball.

I'm like, oh, look at that. Like, she is a mascot for what's wrong with the thinking in Magalworld right now. I think that there are other platforms for her. I just don't think that that's where she should be. But that's just my opinion. I just don't. Yeah, she's all the things you just said.

All right. You want to talk about remigration? I guess we have to. Can we play the Christy Gnome? Dog killing horror. President Trump wrote on Thursday, quote, only reverse migration can fully cure this situation. On Friday, DHS posted, quote, remigration now.

as you probably know, this term has been used in different situations, but including by the far right in Europe to call for the mass deportation of non-white immigrants. How specifically does the Trump administration define remigration? I apologize for calling Christina Noma whore, and let me tell you why. There's nothing wrong with being a whore. Sex work has existed for a long time. I don't want to use whore as a pejorative. Dog killing. Bitch.

Bitch is good. I'll say bitch. You want to say bitch? I'll say bitch. Dog killing bitch. But see, even bitch is kind of a dog and she's, I don't want to put her in like she's cool dogs are cool. Bitches are cool.

Bishes are good. I'll call her a demon. Dog killing demon. That's DKG. DKD. Okay. DKD. I'm going to even know.

Okay. Remigration. Go ahead. It's okay. Well, President Trump has been working towards cleaning up the mess that Joe Biden left us ever since he came into the White House. But how do you define? that word, Secretary Noam.

How do you define that word? 15. Well, first of all, we have criminal illegal aliens we've been targeting since day one. We have removed millions of people from this country already, just in the few short months that President Trump has been president by making sure we're going after criminal illegal aliens that are murders, rapists, and criminals, and getting them out of our country,

bringing them to justice, and then encouraging people to go home. If you're here illegally and breaking our laws, you can leave now, and you may get the opportunity to come back someday. But if you wait until we detain you, and we will deport you, and you'll never get the chance to come back to America. Never answers the question on what remigration is and why the president used it and what it means. I could be, I could lead Homeland Security of Kristy Noemkin, because all I have to do is blame things on the Biden administration and talk about criminal, illegal immigrants. That's it. That's all, that's it. And the whole meet the press interview,

that's all she said. That's a response to everything. Everything went back to being the fault of the Biden administration and removing illegal immigrants that are criminals out of this country. Talking points, that's it. We could all do it. We could all do it. Just keep saying the same things over and over again.

Remigration. I personally was not familiar with this term until it started becoming, until, well, President Trump, you know, put it out there. Were you? I'd heard before. So for those of you guys who don't know,

or maybe you do know, but remigration means return to home in Latin. Historically, it's just been used simply because it's a voluntary returning to the place of origin, right? You're going back home. We've seen it used in the past when people who maybe have left a country

for a political or a social reason, they decide to come back, to migrate back home. That's all. It was a descriptive use. It was a neutral term. And then what happens sometimes with the far right, with certain words,

they take a hold of a word, and they use it as a part of their political propaganda. So around the 2010's remigration started being used by the far right, particularly with white nationalists in Europe and beyond that, not to describe a voluntary return per se, but to call for mass deportations or expulsion of immigrants for people out of their country. Yeah, it's been used for ethnic cleansing at this point,

and President Trump has now used it for America, which is interesting in light of what's happening right now with immigration in this country, with what we just talked about, with the disregard of lives of people of different countries or for they're saying that they're using it for drug reasons, but we know that they're using it for other reasons. And now it is being popularized

and when asked specifically about it and what it means and how dangerous is, where, you know, she was trying to go with it of the president using a term like this, Christy Noem wouldn't answer the question at all. So what a great breakdown. Americans have a choice. And this is the choice.

It's not a scary choice at all. It's not a fearful choice. This is the choice. Americans have a choice. This is all Americans. I'm not talking about black Americans, gay Americans, white Americans, Latino Americans, all Americans.

You have a choice to believe the magician or to believe the information. What does a magician do? That's why I love about magic. Do you like magic? I do like magic. What a magician does is he goes, hey, I'm going to make this disappear.

And the way that he does it is to distract you without you knowing. Distract you without you knowing. Like sometimes they use all different types of tactics. She looks away, then you look away, maybe so you know. But you still get exhilarated by the trick. Yeah. Because you want to believe that the magic is real.

Or you like the feeling of not knowing. The magic trick that's happening right now is a very simple one. There's a reason why all of this is happening. A real reason. The reason why all of this is happening is because your economy, your government, everything that you eat, everywhere that you go, is being taken over by a group of people who want to dictate how they extract money from you.

Your enemy is not the Latino brother selling oranges on the corner. That's not your enemy. Your enemy is the guy building the AI data center right next to your house. Your enemy is the person imposing a regressive tax on you. Your enemy is the person that is levying a tax on you to fund their lifestyle. The concentration of wealth and power into the hands of people who don't give a fuck what happens to you. The people that want to harvest your data, they want to harvest your rage, they want to harvest your emotion. Those are the people that are your enemies.

And those are the same ones that have always been. What it used to be was that those people would give you something in return for exploiting you. They give you a decent mortgage. They give you a decent car. They give you what you thought was a decent life. And then they would call it the American dream. And you would be like, you know what? I can sign up for that deal.

But you know what happened? About 20 or 30 years ago, they said fuck them. They said, fuck it. They've just done it. they've got like Mike you know they've seen all of the commercials we've subdued them enough

to where we could just take it and not give them anything we could just harvest all of their work and not do anything about it we got them we've put enough they've watched enough Disney we they're us now

they're them and all of their progeny they're going to believe what we say fuck it so let's do this now so we're going to do this this is what we're going to do now Now we're going to just plainly and clearly do everything. We're going to throw all this money into the politics.

Citizens United. Corporations are people too. Hey, corporations are people too. You are a person walking down the street in a hoodie and some guy might come up to you and kill you. Nothing you can do about it. But God damn it, general election needs to say in the election. They have to have a say.

It's only fair if they get a say. What? Oh, my God. What happens if Microsoft doesn't have? have a say in our next election. Jesus Christ. What then? What now?

Like, fuck you not getting killed by the police. What the fuck happens if Facebook can't give as much money to whomever they choose in an election? So they make corporations people. They make you less of a person, but not just politically. And everything else. The pandemic comes. You're in your house for four years, not being able to make any money. all of the fucking billionaires get crazy wealthy.

Then they buy up every single media organization. They own all of them. They own your favorite NBA team. They own, they own, they own, they own you. Your entire everything is for them. Then when you look up and you go, what's in it for me? They go, ha, brown person. Here's your problem.

Don't look at what we're doing. Don't look at how we've read the economy. Don't look at how we've rigged the laws, changed everything, the environmental standards. You're running, you're coughing. I don't worry about that. That is the problem of this person or a black person or a trans person. You have a choice whether or not you want to believe in what's happening to you or whether or not you want to put all of your stock in the magic trick.

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All right. Let's talk about problematic white people. Let's do it. Is this the, what is this? The Danish. Did you watch it? I watch a little bit. Okay, I don't want to say.

I don't want to ask you that. I watched a little bit of it. Donnie? Yeah, let's get into this deception. A Dallas woman named Onyke. Okay, let me do that. again. It's okay. She doesn't pronounce her name apparently right either. So it's okay. Donnie, say her name again. On yeka. You're racist son of a bitch. Okay. A Dallas woman named on yika. Look how much. Look how we've

been colonized. We can't even say our names. Yeah, it's messed up. We can't even say our names, man. They took our name from us. I bet if her name was Erica, you could say it. But her name is on yeka. On yaka. On yika. You can't even say. You can't even speak your own language. Boy, look at you, Donnie. She was also on The Bachelor But this is unrelated That has nothing to do Thank you, Donnie

It's nothing to do with anything Let me be know These are your people These are your people What the fuck is going on? These are the type Cause you know what? These are the type of what

Bachelor has a type of Donnie All right She released this 25 part series On TikTok That's been called The Danish Deception where she describes this whirlwind romance with her handsome Danish suitor who she met on a trip.

Let's hear a little bit of her describe their first meeting. And we're laying in daybeds kind of off to the side, minding our own business, sipping mojitos. And I look up and I see this very attractive man. And the first thing that came to my mind was this man looks like he is walking straight out of a Calvin Klein ad. And I'm telling you guys, 6-3, blonde hair, blue eye. chiseled skin, so tan, muscles everywhere. I was definitely taken aback. And I feel like it tastes a lot for me to really double take a man just based on his looks like that.

And 100% I was just, I was a little bit just in awe. I didn't even realize that he was like with a friend at first. And so I'm still minding my own business, keeping it chill. And he looks over at me and he says, how are the drinks? Nigger. Oh no. And I said, I said, the drinks are wonderful. We're just sipping mojillo.

said, should I get us all around? And I said, absolutely, number one, he's cute. Number two, who won't want to free meal, he'll eat it. Basically. We got a round of drinks, and we're sipping our drinks, and we just start small talking, and I asked them where they're from. Okay, yeah, cut it off. Cut it off.

Thank you, Donnie. Thank you, Donnie. They are eating her ass up on the internet. Oh, I'm not to say. Okay, cool. They are, and particularly black women. to which, and we should put this up in post, to which it's so bad for her right now, right?

Now, I don't know if you're familiar with Risa Tisa, who had a series on... We talked about it on here a little bit. No, because I never watched it. Okay, I saw it, though, I did see it. I'm going back and watching it now. It's a 50-part series. It's called Why the Fuck...

50 parts. Who the fuck did I marry? Yeah. On YACA's is like 25-ish, but Risa Tisa now signed by CAA. They're turning it into a whole thing. and a lot of people are like, okay, on Yaka thought that she was going to have her Risa Tisa moment.

She thought that people were going to embrace her, support her, and I'm sure she is getting some of that, but the majority of it is holding her accountable and being like, girl, you need to look in the mirror and realize some things because there's differences, right? And I'm still in the Risa thing, but the main thing is, one, Rizatisa's man was black, and two, she takes a lot of accountability,

throughout it of saying, I told y'all I was dumb. I told y'all I ignored the red flags. But, and then she keeps going, that's not Anyaka. There's a lot of excuses along the way. So I want to hit some of the highlights of Anyaka's Danish deception.

A lot of people were bothered to that throughout the whole thing, she does get emotional at some parts, but she's smiling. She seems very eager. She mentions Risa Tisa. She formats it in the same way where people were like,

you thought that this was going to turn into a CA getting signed by an agency. And it's still made for her. Maybe it'll be a microdrama. I don't know. But she seemed to take joy in it. So here's some of the highlights, okay? You got the main part. Her first impression of this man.

The way that she described him. Immediately upon meeting him, he tells her that he is from a royal bloodline and that he has competed in the Olympics and that he owns multiple properties in Denmark. Anyaka is an accountant and a realtor. At no time does she look or verify any of this information up. Within meeting each other, she goes home to Dallas. He's in Denmark. They meet back up within a month.

Upon our first meeting, she tells him that she loves him. He does not reciprocate it. Matter of fact, when they go eat at a restaurant, to which he's paying for the restaurant, he's in this nice hotel, he's offering to buy her a bag. So he's showing the... Initially, yes. He's showing the tour.

It matches up with it. But he's showing it. The first time of the meeting after, you know, she met him in Croatia. So they're in Monaco. And he's showering her. Takes her to her work conference, all these things. So it's kind of matching up. Did he ha, ha, ha, ha, hit that us?

As soon as she landed, to which she says, sorry, mom and dad. But when they go eat at a restaurant, she goes up to go to the bathroom. And the next thing she knows, she's on the stairs, knocked out, blood pouring from her head. and because she was on the way to bathroom, she also urinates all over herself. And he's there to be there with her. And he's like, do you have a history of having seizures?

And she's like, no, never. And he's like, you've been having seizures. Odd. Never has one after that. Never had had one before that. But he comes to her rescue and on the way to the hospital says, I love you too.

It's all suspicious, okay? All suspicious. A couple of other things. He then immediately after this trip tells her that he is having trouble with transferring money from his business to his personal account. He's asked his dad for money. His dad says, no, you need to do it on his own. He's like, can I just borrow $6,000? And she's like, sure.

Right? I'm not even going to fault her for the initial lend, right? Because I have a friend who always is like, you got one time to ask me for money. I'm trying to give her something, right? I'm trying to give her something. He's like, oh, I'll give it back to you, whatever. Of course what happens. Doesn't give it back.

Continues to ask her for money. Ends up getting about $30,000 for her. Keeps asking for more money. Has an excuse for everything. She eventually marries this man. This is all less than a year, like less than six months. Marries her. Comes to live in Dallas with her.

Keeps having excuses as to why he can't get money. He has still not paid her anything back. she's loaning in money. They're traveling across the world. She's putting it on her credit cards, all this stuff. She finds out that he owes $300,000 in taxes. He asks her money for that. Still giving her money.

Still traveling on trips. He tells her, you know what? You're so stressed out. You should quit your job. She quits her job, her six-figure paying job. She's an accountant and does well as a realtor on the side. Quits her job, says he takes care of her. He'll take care of her.

Find out he has a gambling addiction. Finds out from a friend that he owes that friend's husband $200,000 in cryptocurrency. Daily fantasy? She decides to get him help because he's her husband. It's crypto. Gets her help because of, you know, they're married. Gets them into gambling, gamblers anonymous, whatever it's called. Finds out he's still gambling.

Long story short, finds out he has 34 cents in his bank account, still stays with them. They're still traveling. They're still planning for a wedding because they're secretly married, by the way. Nobody knew. Nobody knew. Still planning for a wedding. Her friend whose husband who loans from all that money, $200,000, hires a PI.

She finds out that he never went to the Olympics, that he never lived in Denmark in the home that she did. Like she reversed Google images, whatever the picture he said. It's like someplace in a totally different country. Learns that he owes her mom $10,000. that she gave them to pay for their mother. Her mother. He asked for the $10,000 for the mother without telling her.

The mother says I'm going to pay for the wedding. He's like, I'm going to pay you back. Because they're engaged, but they're not telling people that they're actually really married. So they're going to have a white wedding and they're going to have a Nigerian wedding. She confronts him again over his gambling. He leaves her. And not one point does she leave him? He's like, you know what?

I'm sick of you not trusting me too much. I'm going to leave you. He leaves her. she finds out that not only does he owe the $200,000 to the friend, you know, the $30 plus thousand what he owes her, he borrowed money from her sister, he borrowed more money from her parents, he borrowed money from her cousins,

he borrowed money from her coworkers, he borrowed money from her friends, and not one of them told her. He was like, oh, my money's tied up in Denmark. I'm trying to buy her this nice car. I'm trying to buy myself in Ashton Martin. When they didn't see, the car, when they didn't see the gifts, still never

questioned it, never told her. He borrows money, this is the part you're going to love the best. He borrows money from, they befriend this Danish couple, right? Because he's Danish. In Dallas. And they're like, oh, we don't meet that many Danish people

befriends them. That guy owes him. She finds out that guy gave him $30,000 for an investment. She confronts them, and she's like, why did you never tell me that he took this money for me? you. And he says to her, the Danish man says, well,

I don't get this white. He said, well, Anyaka, you're Nigerian. That's the scamming capital of the world. I didn't know if you were in on it. Jomi. And she doesn't even get upset. She goes

on to explain in this part series of how it's unfortunate that that's a stereotype that Nigerians has, not even mad about the racism that's thrown at her, just as Like, that's an unfortunate thing that sometimes is placed on Nigerians. All this to say, she comes on to tell her story. She never says his name.

She never gives a description other than blonde-haired blue-eyed, but says that she's doing this so he doesn't scam other women and that she hopes there aren't other victims out there, to which more has come out. He's in Toulomb scamming other women right now. But people are like, listen, Anilke, it's clear that he got away with all of this. is black women saying this. This man got away with all of this because he was your perfect white man.

You thought that you had made it. You were proud despite knowing all these things, how much he had in his bank account, the addiction, that he had stolen from your friend, that you were living a false life on your credit cards and on money that he didn't have because at the end of the day, you had the white man that you always wanted. There are people, there are black men commenting on it, saying if this had been a black man, he would have never gotten this far with you. It's this because he was white, because he was Danish,

he was able to get away with so much and able to basically take advantage of you and your entire network of people. She's come on saying that black women are blaming her. She's going after black women. She's mad at black women. Black women aren't being fair to her. Black women are blaming her.

What about you? How you feel? And all of this. I think she's an idiot. Yeah. Now, see, can I say something? How casual question, how toxic am I able to get in my response?

You have to get very toxic, because this is a toxic situation. So I have a couple of responses. Number one, there's one difference between this and Risa Tisa. Is the way Rysotisa looks and the way that this woman looks. Okay. I'll tell you why. When Rizatisa got scammed, there were probably a lot of people who reflexively looked at Risa and went, I can see how she could get scammed.

I can see how she, this is not me dissing anyone. Okay. But they look at it and they go, I can see how she could get scammed. This is somebody who in our society would be looking for love and therefore is very vulnerable to someone fucking with her emotions. Okay. Okay. When you look at this lady, you look at someone who is conventionally attractive. And that's playing against her, number one.

It's playing against her because it's making her look like somebody who didn't have to go through this. And she's being judged partly because the difference here, she's being judged partly on the first. fact that she looks like someone who is reaching for something else, is reaching for some whiteness, is reaching for something out of the ordinary, because she looks to me like a woman who would not be in, I guess, the vulnerable or desperate situation that other women that have gone through this look like. She's not overweight. She's not what we look at and say, these are the people that are struggling to find a mate. She is someone who looks like she's signing. She's signing. up for this for some other reason.

That's the first thing. The second thing is we just have a problem calling women morons. We do. Like, I, it feels, it feels, not you, but it feels uncomfortable for me to look at her. I can see that. And go, she's a moron. Moronical, moronicalness, moronicity. Like, true idiot.

True fucking idiot. All of this stuff. She glimmered herself. He didn't even have to do nothing. He really did. walked into the room as store, a Norse god, and laid the hammer down and harvested the goods. I feel nothing. I don't either.

The only thing that I wish is that he's made whole. Now, Van. I hope, my hope the best for him, because I got to appreciate the work. Here's the deal. If, this is what I'll say to all other women out here, if you're going to get scammed, it's better to get scammed. brother because the only thing we're going to get out of it normally is like a spot on the couch when that's not when a brother scams you you get uh you might have to co-sign for a car you might have to co-sign for a car spot on the couch this guy is going to take the couch take the couch company

and then take the whole house but that's what you get for fucking around with like they've been doing this for thousands of years okay this ain't nothing different than what happened to her people a long time ago and she signed back up for it. I've never... They all did. Ever. She took him to the village. Everyone.

To his village? To her village in Nigeria for her grandmother's funeral. There is video, Donnie, please put it up. There is video of him dancing around. There is video of him dancing around in Nigerian attire. In Nigeria, he went to the village. I want to see it. So I'm sure he scammed some of them too, and we just don't know.

Everywhere he went, he was scamming folks. He infiltrated her circle. And so it's not even just her. It's almost as if everybody around her was intoxicated by his whiteness where they chose not to question a thing. Do you know why? Because he looks like the picture of world success. He looks evil.

He's tall. He's beautiful. He's the kind of guy. Let me walk in there and tell somebody I'm an ex-Olympian. Let me, let me walk in there. And that's what black men. I'm saying? Let me walk in there.

tell somebody, I don't know if y'all know about her. She would have been like... Let's see what this nigga did in the Olympics. They don't let tini's in the Olympics. Like, what, let me... Donnie, while you're searching for it, because I got it, you got to see, he's dancing around. He got money in his hand.

He was doing the cultural dances. But this is what I have to say to Anyaka and women like her. Bring her on the podcast. Say it to her face. More than happy. I will DM her and reach out. But we got to have an honest conversation

because she's done a couple of follow-up videos where she's either explaining some of the things that maybe maybe the holes in her story where she takes an entire video to blame black women problem and that she's in therapy right which i say good for you but therapy only works if you're honest with yourself and what i need on yaka to understand and this and i see that you have not worked on this yet because you put up an entire video where you are blaming black people let's pause for the for the moment in the village That's her father I think of all

Some burner boy shit Oh Hey Look at him Yeah Man you better Put that wood his kid on nigga

You better put that burner boy on I'm fucking with him Fuck that shit What would have Dunderhead It's like she's supposed That's supposed to happen to her She's like that's

I'm serious That's supposed to happen to her I'll say that too Well On Yeaka It's a crime to let a sucker keep their money. The only way therapy works is if you are honest with yourself. And the fact that good you're getting the help that you need,

but that you're still blaming black women for calling you out about the fact that you glorify. And it's the praise that you have for a white man, which is why you were so susceptible to this. You were blinded by this. And there have been other people who've come out because she is, I will say, very pride, has a lot of pride about being Nigerian. She's a part of a Nigerian community in Dallas. But there have been people who have come out that are also a part of that community.

She has a feel of the sting of generational racism. There are people that are part of that organization who are like, she and her sister, I think her sister is either, they're in the videos with her with the white man as well. If she had felt the sting, this wouldn't happen to it. She surrounds herself with that. The people in the organization are like, we knew, but she's not close with us.

All her friends are majority white. So nobody was telling her, hey, we kind of, to see what's going on. Listen, Unyaka, this is all I'll say. You have got to realize how problematic it is that you glorify and praise whiteness. You need to self-reflect why

you were so proud. Because honestly, you would have never left this man. This man had to leave you. The prize for you was having the white man. It didn't matter the addiction. It didn't matter that there were pennies in his bank account. It didn't matter the lies.

It didn't matter that he had deceived one of your best friends. As long as you had this white man on your side, you were okay. And that's the question that you need to ask yourself in therapy. And that's what you really need to break down. Because it will happen to you again until you can figure out why you are so drunk off whiteness, hypnotized, intoxicated. By the white. Donnie, bring him up again.

That's very, very, very well delivered. Bring him up again. Is he even cold like that? So, I mean, like, but no, no, all jokes aside, I'm not in any way shape or form. Like, attractive? Yeah. Is he, bring him up. No, he looks evil.

Bring him up again. Bring him up again. Is he, like, he had good shape. But is he even, I don't feel like he even cold. We need to see. This is what they're saying. I don't feel like he even cold like that. They say Calvin Klein model where?

I was, I was expecting to see like a Chris Hemsworth, Ryan Gossi type. I mean, they cold, right? It's that he has blonde hair and blue hair. not even cold like that. Bro, he looked, I'm gonna be honest with you. Shout out to him. He looked like a backup safety that's like, you know what I mean?

He looked like, that's to me. He looks a little gremlin-ish. That's like a Craig Stelts. Man, shout out Craig Stelts, man. Oh, shoot, Craig Stelts will blow your ass up. You come over that middle. Listen.

Congratulations, LSU, Lane Kiffin. But he's not even cold like that. That's how you know she worshiping it. That's how you know, because I'm seeing, I mean, I'm going to say this. as well. And this is not going to go over well. And it is what it is.

Everybody can date who they want to date and love who they want to love. We've talked about this. I see Clay Thompson doing it right. What does that have to do with it? I see Clay Thompson doing it right. Clay Thompson said, we in this shit. I'm taking it home. That's what Clay said.

Meg looks happy and I'm happy for her. I see Clay Thompson doing it right. I see a couple. I see Clay Thompson doing it right. But, you know, I will say that the white girls is being chosen. now. It's different. It's not. The white girls being chosen by who? By the athletes

man, it used to be it used in the 2000s and the 90s the white girls as the athletes was choosing with now you're starting to see. Say it. I'm just saying when you used to see a brother with a white girl

back in the day used to be like, well I mean I wouldn't do it but you know. And now it's kind of like Cracker barrel Like we got a We're not Let's move on We're not

I'm not down in anyone I'm just saying that like now it's like Some lunch ladies getting paid That's all I'm saying And I'm not It's not a bad thing Because are you saying because they just They so want to be

With somebody. I'm saying it's changed Are they on YACA's? I'm saying it's changed I'm saying I look at the situation now and I'm like, oh, and this is not a dis. I'm saying, oh, that's like a, but it used, you know what it may, you know what it might be?

It might be that because the stigma is down and the stigma should go away, right? Because the stigma is down, maybe people are just finding each other and you don't have to, but now, I'm like, oh. Donnie. This is a good transition, athletes. Odell Beckham, he was on the pivot podcast, and he had this to say about financial literacy. in the NFL, signing big contracts and whatnot. If I don't have a dollar in my account right here today as we speak, I'm going to be straight for the rest of my life.

No question, right? I don't think everybody is in that. And when you've sacrificed your whole life to get here and you're like, yeah, I play 10 years in the league. And I always explain this to people. Like, bro, you give somebody a five-year, $100 million contract, right? What is it really? It's five years for 60.

We're getting tax. Do the amount. That's 12 a year. you know that you have to spend, use, save, invest. $12 million? Flon, like, whatever, however, just being real. I'm a buy car, I'm gonna get my mom my house, I'm gonna do, everything costs money. So you, if you spending $4 million a year, that's really $40 million over five years, eight a year, you know?

And now you start breaking down the numbers, it's like, that's a five year span of where you're getting $8 million. Can you make that last forever? Oh, cut this nigga off. Oh, bro. Did you hear it wrong the first time? I don't think I listen. Shut the fuck up, bro. I respect you, man.

That's LSU. That's Louisiana. That's the whole nine. What the fuck is this nigga talking about? Yeah. Are you out of your motherfucking mind? They all sit there like, yeah. They all sit there like, yeah.

Like, shout out to the PIPP podcast. They were supposed to let him cook. That's what they were supposed to do. That's good podcasting. They were supposed to let him cook. We ain't trying to hear that dumb ass shit. Fuck that. I just wish one person would have said.

So you're telling me that 12 million a year. They were supposed to let him cook. Let me tell y'all something right now, man. I'm straight up telling you, brothers need better financial literacy. Here's the fucking exception. The exception is it's available. Yes, it is available. So hearing that story in like 1995, 2005, 2005,

2015, not even 2015, really, hearing that story in years past, you understood it. You understood it because those were the first of those stories that we've heard. Right. To all y'all brothers out there getting money, really getting money.

First of all, we're proud of you. You've done something that's hard to do. You've broken through the glass, not even glass, sealing in America, to where a black man can really earn. It is your responsibility. Not to be on a podcast, 10 years from now talking about where $12 million ain't enough.

It's your responsibility. It's your responsibility not to be on a podcast talking about how fast $12 million goes. I don't fucking believe it. I know that there are a lot of temptations to go out there and blow that much money. I get it. I know that there are a lot of ways that you can do it. But ain't nobody trying to hear you fucking cry about that. Well, he's not crying.

He says that if he didn't make another. dollar, I believe the first thing he says, if he didn't make another dollar, he would be fine. The whole story of let me explain to you how easily it goes, it's tired. Sure. The entire story of let to the people out here that's really getting to it, man, we want and need y'all to keep getting to it. We do. As a community, we need to have wealth that can travel generations. We need to consolidate wealth.

we need people to be able to take this money and turn it into useful product for not just the black community but for themselves so that we can readjust the economics. Yeah. But we need them to care about doing that. If O'Dell Beckham never did anything else but stayed rich, seriously, if he never did anything else but stayed rich, that's a win for his community. That's a win, right? Now, I want him to do more. I want him to do more in terms of educating himself. I want him to do more in terms of what he thinks is important.

Of course. But I'm not in somebody's head and not everybody has the same priorities, right? The people that have financial priorities that I don't have, they are empowering people in a way that I'm not. Because I don't wake up in the morning thinking about how could I make an extra $1,500, $1,000, $200,000, I make good money. So I am happy with that. I'm not somebody that goes out taking every opportunity to make every buck I can.

But the people that are doing that, as much as we don't want to talk about it, as much as capitalism has kneecapped us, that is something that's very important in America to be well-resourced. Because when I want to do something and I want to put my money with somebody else's money to do it, there needs to be people that you can go to to do that type of thing. Yeah. So, you know, having said all of that, like, grow. Everybody, man. Everybody out here grow to fuck up. These stories of all of this stuff, you think that people in this economy right now,

that at the top of it is circular and not even real, you think people need to hear you on this bitch talking about how fast $12 million going to grow, man. Like, like fucking, what the fuck is this bullshit? I was wondering what your take, because I was like, why are we listening to you talk about this right now? Like, as I was listening to him talk, I was like, what are you trying to say?

He want people to feel sorry for you. What's the point of this conversation? I really did not understand. And then I thought there was going to be more. And then the next thing I know he's at what you call. That's a totally different topic. That's what I say. A.

As. So you don't just wake up and have the chain presented to you. Right? You don't just wake up. The chain just don't appear. The big chain or whatever it is. The car. The clothes.

they don't just appear. You know what you have to do to get the best chain and the best car and the best clothes, even the best chick? What do y'all have to do? What has to happen?

Grinding is one thing, but what else do you have to do to get all of that stuff? Does anybody know? Discipline is another. But what else do you have to do to get all of that stuff? To get the best chain,

the best house. You have to spend money. You have to research. You have to research. You have to ask around what makes a good quality diamond. You have to know the car. You have to go talk to the guy about the car. You have to research.

You have to do. That's not true. That is absolutely true. You have to say, so somebody has a chain and you say, hey, where did you get that? And they got a guy. Well, what kind of this guy got this? This guy got that. You have to ask somebody.

You have to ask somebody. Have you not seen the people who literally get money and then we'll just go out and buy? They won't ask a thing. There's no research. From where? They just go out and buy. Rachel. Rachel.

Okay. From where? Okay. Like from where? You can't just go to a jewelry store and buy a chain? Okay. I'll give you an example. Like if I'm a Houston athlete, right?

I'm going to go to Johnny whatever his name is. Why? Because I've seen it. Exactly. But that's not research. What I'm saying is like, you have to, my, my, let me put. Like, it's no research in I want a G-wagon. I'm going to go buy G-Wagon.

Like, there's no research. I guess that's what I'm saying. What I'm telling you is, frivolously can spend money. You can frivolously spend money, but you have to endeavor into the things you're spending money on. You have to look at different houses. You have to look at different cars.

You have to spend brainpower asking yourself, okay, because you go to Johnny Dane, all right? You go to Johnny Dane. You might buy the diamonds. Somebody else might have a different diamond guy in Atlanta. All of this. By the way, this is stuff that. I know from my time at TMZ,

there is, for a lot of these people, even if it's a small degree of effort, even if it's a little bit of effort, there's effort put into all of this stuff. There's effort put into being fly. There's effort put into stunting. There's effort put into all this. What I'm saying is,

all this effort to me also goes along with getting information on all of this stuff. I'm saying that this is from big lame ass, put that same type of effort into staying rich. Put that same type of effort into other things that are going, that's going to, you still want to be buying chains in your 50s, right? And you can be.

You still want to be buying watches in your 50s, right? And you can be. Put that much effort, even if it's just a little bit, even if it's the same little bit that it took to care about Johnny Dang, to care about whoever you're going to buy your G-wagon from, to care about all, even if it's just that much, put just that much into keeping and growing your wealth

in some different way. So you're not on a podcast in 10 years talking about how fast 12 fucking million dollars goes. I agree with you. I think my point to the research thing I'm saying is I think the reason that a lot of these guys do get caught up or, you know, like you watch a 30 for 30 broke or something like that,

or even people I know from UT, is because they aren't doing the research. They just think, I got to have the car, the chain, this, and they will spend money without anything, without maybe getting a better deal, without just the first thing, overspending, throwing their money at it without the research. And that's another reason it goes by fast.

I'm agreeing with what you're saying. I'm just saying, or the sentiment behind it, I'm just saying I think what becomes so problematic, is not now, but when you go back and like the guys, I mean, people still do it now, but you know what I mean? When it was more problematic, they were throwing their money at anything without any research.

Like, I want a house in that neighborhood. I'm going to buy that house. I'm not even going to research. But understand what I'm saying, though. We're talking about two different things, right? We're talking past each other. What I'm saying is the same amount you got the house. You want the house, right?

You have to look up the house. Somebody had to bring you the house. What I'm saying is don't let the research, don't let your curiosity, maybe is a better word, stop at the house itself. Your curiosity should extend to the price of the house, to the price of the houses in the neighborhood, to where that neighborhood's going to be in five years,

where that neighborhood was five years before. All of this stuff, by the way, is not stuff that has been given to us. This is information that has been purposefully, purposefully financial literacy kept from this group of guys so that they can be harvested so that they can be the workhorses for somebody else's capitalistic dream.

I get that. But I'm telling you right now, it's people out there. We're having these conversations, but you got to be serious about it. There's also programs. There's rookie programs. There's rookie seminars.

As soon as you get into the NFL, I don't know if those are the best or what, but I'm just saying when you get there, there are seminars about financial literacy. This is not, Provided by the NFL. This is not me saying that these guys don't have barracudas all around, that they're not people trying to take advantage of them.

What I'm saying is that I'm sick of hearing about all the people trying to take advantage of them. And what we need to be hearing about now is the Michael Finley's of the world, all right? The guys who have taken their money and made money with it. We need to be hearing those stories. And we need to do a better job here. in black media and on higher learning of giving people a different type of blueprint so that somebody is not sitting on a podcast making a fucking fool of themselves talking about how $12 million

and enough it is it's enough it's enough 12 million dollars is enough it's enough he does say just to give credit he does say he doesn't need to make another dollar and he'd be fine yeah but he should be yes but yes but i just want to give that credit like he's It goes fast. It's not going fast. It's not going fast. That takes all his power away. It's not going fast.

You're going fast. It's not the it. It's the you. True. Okay. You're going fast. Slow down. Well, boy, was you a dog for that purple and gold, though.

Catch the ball in one hand. Oh, sorry. Thought it'll make a sci-fi. Catch the ball in one hand. Did you see the cute turkey? Yeah. Oh, sorry. The turkey. I thought you were going to talk about the catch in the commander's game.

I thought that's what you were talking about. I mean, but like, oh, yes, I saw the, I saw the, I saw the, um, I saw the cute turkey. By the way, what's what you and this, this trolling me over the Bayou Classic? What's going on? Oh, your response was brutal. It was brutal. And because of that, don't ever talk about the D-9. Because that's my, if I can't talk about HBCUs, you can't talk about the D-9.

Let's have it out. Let's have it out right now. You can't talk about it. Because you didn't go through a process. I didn't. You don't understand it. You're not in it. I'm not.

You're just a spectator. I'm on the side. You're just a wannabe. Want to be. Here's the only difference. Because I could be like, my sister went to HBCU. I was always around.

Here's the only day. What's HBU she should go to? She was a spelling. Did they have a band? Exactly. So this is, this is, hold on. My parents, can I just say this though? This is the only credibility I'll give myself for that.

Every year, my parents took us to the Gremlin Prairie View game. Okay. So every year we were at the Cotton Bowl until it just got crazy. The game started getting crazy. It was too much for y'all, huh? Well, no, they started shooting it and everything. Like, it was like... Jesus, Rachel, you're not making it sound like...

No, I'm just saying, we were kids. Sorry, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, sorry. Wait, okay, so wait a second. I'm not gonna, I'm feeling it got away about. Y'all went to the game until the game was too niggers and y'all had to stop. You shouldn't even call it that. Like, they were shooting, they were shooting...

Who's the day? I don't know, I never saw the shooter. The day is. I never saw the shooter. That's what I was saying. But we used to go to the game every single year. So I grew up going to Battle of the Bands. I think, like, okay, shame all my parents for not wanting me to be at the games

where they were shooting. Shame all my parents for that. Okay, so this is what I would say. I take, by the way, I never comment on the quality or the, I compliment, I comment on observable things about the D-Nine. So to give everybody background, Van posted, that with a bunch of laughing emojis. That Southern beat Gremlin in the body classic. Southern's record was like, what, one in ten or something like that?

We won one game the whole year. And Gremlin had a winning record. And Gremlin was winning the game. And then I turned changed after a halftime show. And I didn't know, realize it until I saw your post. So Van Post that Southern came back beat Gremlin with a bunch of laughing emojis. And I wrote under the comment, well, at least they won the halftime show the hell. Okay, so there are two things I have to say about this.

I'll address the D9 thing as well. Two things I have to say about it. First of all, Gremlin are a bunch of fucking clowns. Wow. You're clowns. Why? They're clowns.

Why would you say that? Gremlin are clowns. Why? Gremlin as a school and a football team of clowns. You have to say more other than them just being like a rivalry. So this is what happened to Gremlin. I'm going to explain to you the story of Gremlin this year. Grambling came from North Louisiana

The Piney Woods of North Louisiana Piny Woods of North Louisiana Grambling, proud school, lots of tradition Got love. Lots of history. Got love for Grambling, right? They came from the park. They traveled.

This is where Grambling is in the state up here. Grambling, Russ, and Eric. They traveled all the way down to New Orleans, Louisiana to play the Bayou Classic to get a foot putting their ass. Okay? So this is what Grambling did.

So they got in buses and, oh, man, we're going to the Bayou Classic. They get there. They have all the stuff. They enjoy New Orleans. They're going to Moros. They're doing all of that stuff. And then you know what happened Saturday? They got a foot putting that ass. Why are they clowns?

That's what happens. They got a foot. This is what Southern did. Foot and ass. They're clowns because they traveled. Let's talk about the halftime show, though. Okay. Because that was what I, that was the comment on me.

So which you responded. First of all, when we need. When we need. So this is what I said. On how to terminate DEI, we'll get back to you. I was like, this is a, you're talking about. So, grappling clowns, first of all, you're a bunch of clowns.

Love you. Lovable clowns. But where to make up. You lost the body classic. So one game, Super Bowl. Just the game, though. It's a one game Super Bowl for the entire reality, the whole cultural supremacy of Grambling versus Southern, you lost, clowns.

All right, secondly, you commented that they won the Battle of the Bands. I believed they did. Because they brought Aguilera. No. Okay. What else did you like that they did? I liked that they, what was the song? Okay, see, that's what I'm talking about.

Oh, no, they did Kisha Cola. Sorry, I did Kishakola. They did, because Southern did disclosure. And I was like, why they're playing this Neo song? See, here's the deal. It's really not about the songs that you play. It's about when you... It's about the way that you play them, how the band sound,

and when they put down the instrument, all of that stuff. It's about that, right? So, look, you can have your opinion. But what I'm saying is that when we're talking about the battle of the bands, remember on drumline? Of course. What did the other band do that wanted to win? They brought out Pity Poblo.

They brought out Pidi Poblo. So when a band... Y'all brought out juvenile. What I'm saying, they brought out Pity Poblo. So what I'm saying is bringing out like Glorilla and all of that stuff, that's cool. Southern won the battle of the bands. Grambling bad have never been able to fuck with Southern band ever. The human jukebox.

We juke in that bitch up, clowns. And this is what I would say. The difference between that and the D9 thing is this. I've been like this. I never stopped looking at the D9 stuff because the shooting got too bad because it never stopped. Because that's not non-applicable. There has been violence.

But look, what I would say is like, I grew up around. this, I grew up with, you can't help in Baton Rouge, but grow up around these sororities and fraternities. That's, but you're not of it. You can't experience it. So you can't, like, the way that you really. But I was there when the cap was in the cues fought.

I was there to watch the A.K.A. I was there when, I was there, I went to all, I was there when the deltas came back to campus. I was there. I was there. I was there when Gino wasn't even a person. Shout out to Gino. Gino was, Gino was, you know, was, you know, lost way. Gino had a bald head.

Gino called me. Hey, hey, I'm in the back of the union. You got, you got $5? I'm like, bro, you think this is healthy? He's like, yeah, come pick me up. I didn't ask you if it was healthy, nigga. Take me to McDonald's. I picked Gino up back of the union.

Gino running out looking left and right. Looking left and right. Getting down, back of the car. Drive. Like, we didn't just fucking rob the bank. We go to McDonald's. I give Gino, Gino eating at McDonald's.

I'm like, I'm asking them like, yo, bro, I didn't know that this was a part of the process. I'm asking him like, bro, what the fuck is going on? Gino like, hey, man, you know, you deep in it right now. I just got to focus, you know. Gino cross, he do the whole whatever he did. And then, you know, the tears come out and all of that stuff. What I'm saying is I don't have an opinion about the inner workings of these organizations,

but culturally I can have an opinion because they are a part of the culture that I grew up in. So I'm not even going to get into... You're saying right, but the Battle of the Bands is not a part of it. That's actually not true. You went until they started shooting. Wait, wait.

And then... I'm not even going to get into it deep with you because the only cultural understanding you have about the D-9 is what happened the years that you were at Southern University. That's not true. You have...

And the fact that... But that's really not true, though. And the fact that when you give examples, it all relates to what happened to Southern and your friends... That's not even... It actually is beneath me But do you understand that that's not true?

That's not true though. Like I've been, I've been to Hampton. I've been to Texas Southern. I've been to Florida A&M. I've been to Howard. That's so. I've seen these campuses everywhere. So if Bernard here was like, I've been to, like, that's me.

I would never be like, I've been to all these HBCUs. I know exactly what it is to go to HBCU. I say I know, what I know is the cultural fit of these. Is related to your experience while. you were at Southern. But that's fine. Can't say something else? That's fine. You don't know about anything else. You don't know about going to conventions, a conclave. You don't know what it's like to do meetings. You know what it is. You have not been told. Can I say something? I don't even know why we argue it. I would never, anything that you're a part of. You just did it. That I've never been a part of.

No, no, no, no, no, no. I said I would not do that. I can speak to a Battle of the Band experience because, one, the Battle of this band, the high school version of it was every year up the street that I used to walk to it at Kimball High School. In addition to that, I spent years, countless times going to Grambling Prairie View games watching a battle of the bands. I grew up on it. It was a tradition.

So I would only speak to watching Gremlin and PV. I would never speak to Southern because I never went to the Bayou Classic. That's not the thing. I wouldn't speak about TSU. I speak to Gremlin and I would speak to PV because I grew up on that. I experienced that. It was a part of our tradition.

It was a part of the culture of Dallas to go to Cotton Bowl and go to that game every year before the Texas OU game. I wouldn't speak anything else outside of that because I don't know that. I know that as an observer for years and then as a teenager going. So let me, so this is the last thing I say about it just to kind of make, and I won't talk about the D9 if you don't want me to, but this is the last thing I say about it. You can talk about it. So just this is what I said. So how I grew up is like the grown-ups

will try to get you to join organizations. So before I even got to school, the grownups that I knew, like, like, remember, Gino's dad was a Kappa. Like, well, my friend's mom is an A.K.A. One of my uncles in it, right? So they're all talk. So you're at, you're literally at your family reunion. And you see people doing stuff and you're like, what are they doing? And then my dad would be like, my dad would say stuff like, oh, that's the fraternity.

And it's not just them. It's the Mason's two. It's all different types of things that you have a cultural understanding of because it's right there in your face at all times. I'm not disagreeing that. And then I remember, I remember Penny Hardaway after a magic game where I'm 12 years old. I'm 12 years old. Penny Hardaway after a magic game goes, yo baby, yo. I know what he's saying.

But I'm a 12 year old kid. Like he goes, yo baby, yo. And I'm like, I know what he's saying. I know what that means. Like, I know it's a part of just blackness. It's not even a part. Sure. It's a part of black culture.

Sure. So when you get to the, when you get on the yard, the yard just reestablishes that. You just see your friends go through it. You see people that have wanted to be this their entire life like Gino. Bryant, my other friend, you see people that are in this. You're a part of their experience with it. I don't know the inner workings of nothing, Kappa. That's all I'm saying.

I don't know. But what I'm telling you is if we're having a conversation about the difference between the A. and the deltas. The information I got is because a delta one day ran down the history of her organization. The Kappa's are the ones that told me, hey, we're the only HBCU that started at Ivy League school. That's their claim to fame. The Alphas came and said, okay, just to let you know, we got W.EB. Du Bois and Martin Luther King, Jr. The Sigma's coming and go, actually, did you know that we are actually the only organization,

to where the brotherhood and sisterhood of our organization is actually in our, like, paperwork and all of that. They tell you all of that. You know all of that. And you go down, like, list after list into all of these different organizations. You know the schools that they were founded at.

You know why they were founded. You know how it happened. It's just knowledge that you garner. It's just stuff that happens. My only thing is when you, one, when you act like you know more than me. I've never said that. I said act like.

Or two, when you do act like you know the inner workings of the sorority. You do, I can't remember every example. I should have to point this out. That's, that's it. I tell what I acted like. Culturally, you're right. Kama. Kama.

Kna is so a part of our culture. I totally understand you speaking to it in that sense. Just like I can speak about a culture, a part of Dallas that I was a part of. Yeah, the Battle of the Bands until it got too violent. You know what? Shout out to my parents for your, for your protection. No, my parents didn't look at it like that. My dad was like, pop, pop, pop.

My dad, like, hey, them niggas is crazy. Look at the game. Like, pop. No, they had to stop the game a couple of times. Hey, you know, but this is, but you know what? That's a part of it, man. Clearly, I know. It's not, I mean, I've never been to a battle of the bands where they were shooting.

But we go down there, you know, a couple fights, you know, whatever happened, you know? But like, everybody takes off running and you don't know why. You just run. You just run. You just run. You just run. You just run. slick Rick after one of those things.

Yeah, you just run. You just run. You just run. That's when I was a teenager. Who cares? Who cares? Who cares? You just run. You get out of there. So what was the last ballot of band you went to? Oh, well, that one, when I was in high school, senior in high school, I loved, it was what we did.

I'm going to give a shout out. As girls, like, you know, going to a private school, it was like, that's when I got to see people outside of First Baptist. I guess I was already hanging out with people. So McKinley High School, Baton Rouge, Louisiana. When I get there, it's a guy there. See, my cousin was in a band of Southern Jason Stewart. Okay.

Oh, we got to get that. Southern really did lose, though. They didn't lose. They really, like, you didn't give one explanation as to why they did a better job. The song choices were bad. The precision, the precision and the formation, it's always there. So, like, all they, when they put down, like, my favorite part is when they start putting down their instruments and they start dancing. And, like, you got the guy on the microphone, the drum majors are doing their things.

All they did would do TikTok dances. All they did with TikTok dances. So this is my thing. I think Southern has a better band product than Gremlin. It would be very, I'm going to be honest with you guys. It's a bias. It would be very, very difficult for me to admit that Souther's band lost a Gremlin's band. When I look at Souther's band on the field, I look at Gremlin's band on the field,

I see beautiful colors with Souther's band, beautiful playing in a human jukebox. I hear the sound. And then I look at Gremlin's band and it looks like a clown show. That black and black, gold, red, I think it looks so good on the field. You love it. I don't like the way they do. It looks never half. And so that to me is, is, is, it's beyond.

It's beyond the pale. Southern to me, Southern's band is a mythical instrument. My cousin, when I was at McKinley, McKinley High School, another great band. When I was at McKinley, we had a guy there my freshman year name, Terrence Jackson, T.J. Terrence, too cold Jackson. and he would walk out to the middle of McKinley's field and he would do what's called the backbend. And then guess what I saw on television

the year after my freshman year, Terrence, too cold Jackson doing that same backbend. What about Lewis Mallory? What about Midnight Blue? What about them? Drum majors, my culture. And your organization is a part of my culture.

It is. We got to get more locked in with the HBCUs because as much as people talk about Stephen A. Smith and Stephen A. Smith is probably the wrongest person. Stephen A. Smith has decided, and it's just facts, Stephen A. Smith has decided to be specifically dedicated to wrong. And I haven't seen anything like it in a long time.

Okay. Like specifically dedicated to wrong. He's wrong so often. that it's making me think that somebody is doing it to him on purpose. Like almost everything that it said is wrong. When he came out and he got on Senator Kelly, I'm not about to take up for Senator Kelly, but the thought that you should follow any order

that the president gives you when the oath of the American military is clear to follow the Constitution, there were guys during a Milai massacre that saw what was going on in Vietnam and put themselves. in between what the soldiers were doing and what was happening to the people, right? And stopped them from the examples of soldiers when we talk about the military, refusing to do things, abrogate, like refusing to do things that are abhorrent, illegal,

and wrong is very long, right? And for Stephen A, honestly, to get on his platform and to just become a, instrument of misinformation is starting to fascinate me. Well, I'll say this, though. But I'll say this, though. He does put on for the HBCUs. Yeah, he does. He puts on for the HBCUs.

He went to an HBCU. He went to a HBCU. And that's very important. And I'm sure that's what he would say. How could you say these things about me when I put on for HBCUs? But I would say this, though, the reason why like Stephen A. Smith is a reporter. So I'll explain something to you guys.

Like a lot of people might think that TMZ goes out and they they push it out there and they don't give a fuck whether or not it's true or not. I don't think they think that. That is untrue. Yeah. They desperately care whether or not the shit is true. Now, they might source things that other organizations might not source. Like they might go on.

sources that they know and have relationships with and walk the line of what other legacy organizations might do or not do for speed. And whenever you are dealing in speed, we got to break your first. We got to be exclusive. You're going to get some shit wrong. But the more shit you get wrong, the more it actually hurts your bottom line. The reason why I say all of that is that, like, if you are a reporter, there is a way that you synthesize and deliver information that is normally pretty uniform.

Normally, you get something, you work through it, you look at different spots, and then you shoot it back out once you know that what you're reporting is pretty well unimpeachable. And he's not doing that. He's just not. He's not doing that. He's not doing that in any way, shape, or form. He is putting shit out there. And then three or four days later, walking it back, almost in a weird cycle that makes

me think that, and it's all his responsibility, and I'm not taking responsibility away from him, that like there's somebody around him that is using him for a very specific purpose, or that there is intention in him being a part of this misinformation game. It's weird to see somebody who has made their career of being a reporter. We see opinion people all the time, like be purposeful in wrongness. We see the Hannity's and all of these people just like mouthpiece the president. But normally when we see like reporters

and people that are reporting the news and gathering facts and putting stuff out there, you see a little bit more of an allegiance to fact or to delivering facts in a way that is a little bit more nutritious. Well, money. Yeah, but is that, could that be the whole? Okay, look at Megan Kelly.

Gone on tangents about Megan Kelly. But she's an opinion person. But she was a journalist and an eternity. And now she's a media personality. Now she's a political commentator. And we talked about how she is basically a grifter now. You know, I call her a white Candice Owens. She is smarter than the things that she's doing it.

She's getting worse and worse and worse. Now, I'm not saying that Stephen A. Smith is at that level. But when it comes to sports, he's still doing his. reporting and being a media personality and a talk when it comes to that. He is now making $36 million as a political commentator. So we're to believe that he's been bought, that somebody told Stephen A. Smith, that somebody told Stephen A. Smith, we're going to give you this money. So you have to go out there with uninformed political texts.

No, I don't think that. I think that he is opinionated. He has opinions about politics. He sees an opportunity where he can talk about whatever he. he wants how he wants it. I don't think that he looks at it as he's giving misinformation. And I think he's kind of said this. He looks at it as it's my opinion.

And for Housewives fans, you'll get that reference. That's my opinion. Like that's how I think he thinks of it is. I'm not misinformed. I'm just telling you what I think and how I feel. Now, if he decides to truly run for president, which I don't think he is, it's just another talking point for him,

for him to continue to be provocative and draw people into the things that he's saying on his show that he ever will seriously run. But if he does decide to, then it's a different conversation. But right now, I think that this is another form way for him to make money, and he's just giving his political opinion.

That's how he looks at it. I'm not saying he's right. He is wrong, like you said, a lot, and absolutely misinformed. But I don't think he sees it that way. I think that's the delusion. And I can just look at that from the journey he took with the Jasmine Crocky.

situation. He is very good at convincing himself of the things he wants to convince himself of. Yeah, I guess I'm just like, just to do this and to continuously be walking the stuff back or continuously be like smacked around by Roland Martin or somebody like that. It's just to me. I think you want it to be something more deeper than that. And I don't think it's that deep for him. It's not that I want it to be something more because the answer is normally always the simplest answer. but I'm trying to get to what that is. To Mia, you look at somebody and you go, like, is this guy coming apart?

Well, I think he is intoxicated by the sound of his own voice, by growing his platform. I remember when we talked about one of the things he said about Jasmine Crocker, he goes, oh, you think this is it. And I'm paraphrasing, he was like, I'm about to get a bigger desk with more seats. I think he is intoxicated by growing his platform and the fame and having,

and just basically building this empire more than anything else. That's what I think. That's what I think is driving him. Money, having his footprint on so many different things and growing in that way. I mean, there was a time where he was talking about wanting Jimmy Kimmel's spot. I think that's the vision for him. And whatever means necessary to get there.

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Because this is what we do. It's the love. It's a gift straight up from the God above when you're hanging with your friends at the Amador Club. Right? And when you got this, it's a flash. It feels like you've got this blush. You're so so hot like it's the gold rush. Because when you're here, you got the AI.

It's so fly. And what's AI? Aya Rooms, Intelligence. That's what we come in now. Oh, man, they cut them off too early. That nigga was spitting. So Farouk Ramzan posted this. Is that him? I don't think that was him.

Okay. Donnie, was that Farooke who posted this? No, Farooke was there recording. Fruke's a fan. So that was a tech party in San Francisco. And that was a guy up there who I guess was one of the tech guys that was freestiling. I mean this was no hyperbole whatsoever.

That's what's wrong in America. I'm so serious. That is what I'm going to be. Break a tell for me. So is that guy in that room probably is going to have access to millions and millions of dollars. And when we're living in this techno feudalism that we're in right now, those are the guys that like, have an in anordinate amount of power. I remember something that Dame Das said one time.

And people can say whatever they want about Dame, but Dame said something, I never forgot, he goes, how have you turned your culture over to people who have opinions about your music but they can't dance? I was like, shit. People that make the decisions about your music,

but they can't dance. When I see that dude, I see somebody somebody said he was Kendall Roy obviously from succession I see somebody up there that's like

let me hit them with a hot 16 let me get up there and burn up this motherfucking party and he is so fucking whack that's the wack that's the wack and you only got two choices in that situation

tell him he's whack and then fuck your relationship with him or be like, yo, the shit was hot. And what we're choosing to do right now what a lot of people are choosing to do, what's your favorite rappers, what your favorite athletes, what your favorite people are doing right now,

is they're looking at guys like that, and they're going, yeah, yeah, that shit was hot. That shit was tight. For real? Because I felt like I stumbled. No, man. nah, that shit was a, nah, you know, when I first heard,

I was in Brooklyn the first time, you might remind me of first hearing, you know, that guy that was rapping in Brooklyn. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He just said, that shit was hot. Then these guys with swelled heads and all of this, start fucking with your culture, start doing all. They're making decisions about your shit and they can't dance.

So when I looked at that, I thought two things. One, we've turned over society to the nerves and we thought that that was a good idea. And the nerves are fucking us so bad, man. We thought the nerves were harmless. You know, you see somebody in college, they come to class, they're wearing a three-piece suit, and, like, you go, you know, maybe not with that guy.

But then they took over the world, and at first we were like, cool. Because at least they're not the asshole sons of the last bunch of neocon billionaire people. At least they're harmless, like they were when they were in a three-piece suit in school. But that's not who they all. are. They're Alex Carp.

They're Sam Altman. They're Mark Zuckerberg. They're Elon Musk. They're Jeff Bezos. They're Elon Musk. They are deeply, deeply cynical and political, but they think they're cool. Right. And their search for cool is ruining the world. So when I saw that, I'm like,

that's who we got to stop, man. And we can't let them freestyle anymore. Somebody should have been in the audience. Shut that fucking shit up The guy next to him has the biggest smile on his face People are, I mean, y'all got to see the video He's so serious You ever watch the show Silicon Valley?

Of course I saw somebody in the comments was like You think you thought Silicon Valley was a joke This is exactly what it was This is exactly how it is It's okay to just be like, hey man, shut that shit up, bro. That's what happens. I have a friend who's always like

You can't buy cool Those guys that you listed off Believe that they can and they have people surrounding them and telling them like this guy that they have. You can't tell this guy he's not cool. You can't tell this guy he didn't go off. That's the problem.

They believe that they have bought cool, and this is their cool. A, cool is one thing, decency is another, your friend is right, but what's happening in it, what happens to people is when you don't give them no real feedback and when there are no actual guardrails to this stuff,

they think everything, that they do is cool. They think it's the coolest shit in the world. When you listen to Alex Karp talk about Palantir, he talks about killing people so flippantly. He freaked out because Michael Burry from the Big Short is about the short Palantir. And Alex Karp went on Squawk Box and fucking lost it.

And I thought it was very, very interesting, right? It was very interesting to hear one of these masters of the universe go, please leave my data mining company alone. Please don't hurt us. Please. Why are you hurting? us when I said that I wanted to like spray fentanyl over my enemies and kill everyone. Kill chain is what I'm proud of.

I'm proud of the efficiency in which my software allows the United States of America to go overseas and end people's lives. Like so to me, like looking at all of this stuff, seeding control of the world to guys like that, maybe not the best thing in the world. Maybe we were wrong in that. It's nothing we can fucking do now. It's too much. All right.

Let's end on a good note that I'm going to turn it to a bad note. No. I'm going to turn to a bad note. Donnie, go ahead. This is Angola. I'm assuming we're talking about. How are you going to do this? I'm curious.

All right. Let me set it up. Angola Prison recently hosted his first daddy daughter dance right before Thanksgiving. The event was created by a group called Guy Behind Bars. along with some members of Angola's leadership. It allowed fathers to get their daughters with flowers, Bibles, and handwritten letters, family shared Thanksgiving meals,

and a local Baton Rouge artist painted portraits of the festivities, and it concluded with the choreographed dance routine that the dads had been practicing for weeks. How's this bad? Thank you, Donnie. How is this bad? Because I saw this, and I just, it warmed my spirit. when I saw this over the break.

It did because it's not just about the inmates getting to see their daughters for the first time in months and for some of them even years. And I think I read for some maybe never, had never. I think it just allows the daughters to see their fathers as fathers and more than just inmates. And it allows the inmates to look at themselves as something more meaningful than just being another person in prison. I think that it gives them hope.

It hopefully heals wounds. I think it shows that it gives them something to live for, something to look forward to when they get out, knowing that somebody is depending on you, somebody believes in you, someone. And like, I mean, I don't know what it's like to be in prison, but I would imagine that that piece of, you know, like you live a certain life when you're in prison

and that's your reality and to get that piece of reality to come in in a different way like it does. with that innocence of your children, I think just, it was just so beautiful for me to see. And, you know, to watch them, like, do their dance. They did, like, a routine dance for their daughters. And I don't know, for them to get dressed up

and just to see themselves as something more. People. As people, yes. It just, I loved this idea so much. I'm not familiar with this organization. Apparently, they do, this isn't the first time that's something like this has happened. But it just, I want to,

to see more of this. And with all the darkness that we talk about in the world and we talked about on this podcast or even the stupidity like on Yeka, it's nice to see something that felt a little bit more pure. I agree. I agree totally. I want to make sure that that's. I agree totally. I watched it. I think about the relationship between fathers and their families and how much it makes you feel like more than your circumstance to be able to connect with your children. Yeah. I completely, completely think that it's beautiful. It's gorgeous.

It's at Angola. Yes. Yes. That's a plantation. That stood out to me, though. Okay. So let me tell you, so I reached out to this God Behind Bars group, right? I have five questions for, four questions.

Because they sell music based upon what they are. They have an EP. They have music that they're. seven. So I wanted to, I said, hey, great work you guys are doing, which is true. And I said, we're covering this on our show today. I have four questions. I'm not saying that they didn't get back to me because maybe they haven't seen this yet. I said four questions. One, where do the proceeds to the music go? Two, is there any post-incarceration work that the organization does to affect recidivism, get inmates' jobs, skills, anything that you guys do for the continuing humanity of

these men? All this stuff might be, yes, whatever, I haven't got an answer yet. Is the organization political in any way. Are there any donations or political action that people should be aware of? Four, how would you like people to best support the organization? Those are the questions that I have for them. And there are even more questions that I have. The questions that I have are surrounding the reality of prisoners at Angola. The reality is for people who don't know, while we're talking about this, like Angola is a slave organization. According to Worth Rises, working conditions on prison farms like Angola are grueling, particularly in the south, where temperatures can reach up to 100 degrees in heat strokes have been commonplace.

Angola, where incarcerated men pick cotton, okra, potatoes, and other crops in grueling heat, is at the center of a lawsuit, alleging that the farm line violates the U.S. Constitution's protections against cruel and unusual punishment. Patrick Jones, who is a man incarcerated in Angola, has worked the farm line for years and explained. I never had a seat except for the ground. I never had shade except for the corn and the okra. While a case continues, a temporary restraining order was recently ordered in response to the case demanding that the prison take extra steps to protect incarcerated people from heat. But even the most basic protections against heat, Patrick and the other inmates on the farm line are still at risk,

compared to other industries, agricultural workers, five times more likely to be killed at work when they work in and go in addition to acute risks of injury or death while working, there are also serious health risks associated with chronic exposure to pesticides and other toxins. And McGullough's nickname is the farm. It's literally a plantation turned into a prison work camp. Real work for the freedom of those men, they're free in that moment. They're spiritually free. Communing with God is great, all that stuff. Real work for the freedom of those men. Real work to me by any organization that's going to go into that prison is addressing the material conditions that those men are living under.

And that's it. And so I look at that dance and I'm like, fantastic, fantastic, amazing. There's no way I'm going to extract something negative from that. I'm not. That is fantastic. That organization is doing good work. But if they want to do transformative work,

then they have to take on the system that those men inside that prison are dealing with. And my cynicism about modern Christianity and about religion and its workings are deeply embedded in this analysis because I simply don't believe that Christianity right now works in the way that it should work. How it should work is to stop the death penalty. How it should work is to stop the torture of inmates. How it should work is to address the conditions and the situation that lead to that group of black men

being inside that fucking torture chamber and having to dance for their children behind bars. I'm not saying they have to do it all, but I'm saying when I look at that, it's just hard for me to think of it outside of everything else that's going on. All right. I didn't address the yes, it's called

God behind bars and yes, part of this dance was also them writing letters to their daughters and also giving their daughters a Bible. I didn't talk about the Christianity part of it. I agree with you. I agree with there is so much more that needs to be done in regards to what is happening in Angola. We've talked about Angola before.

That's why this stood out to me too because it was Angola, and I know we've talked about it. I believe you're not, I agree with everything you're saying, but the reason, but one organization can't do everything. And I'm not saying that this organization shouldn't do more, but if this organization's entire goal is to, this is the last sentence on their about thing says God behind bars addresses the drastic recidivism problem

with a unique approach that focuses on the spiritual, physical, and relational needs of inmates and their families. I am sure that there are organizations that are addressing the very things that you need that you're talking about. And every organization should. But if there is an organization

that does decide to take a different approach to address other needs in addition to the injustices that are going on there that are unconstitutional. Like helping with someone spiritually and mentally and helping them as they are subjected to all this,

they still need other tools for survival while they are there, then I'm okay with this. And if that is the entire goal, and I'm only addressing, I think it's a question too, of what else do you do? I think was the question

in regards to recidivism. They have, I have not answered yet and they are free to end. The other stuff is fair. I'm more so speaking to that about what else do you do. If this is all they do in regards to recidivism, I'm okay with that. If that is this organization's entire goal,

while there are other organizations that are doing that, I'm not going to ask them to do everything, but it is a unique approach and it is something that I think that can be helpful. It is not the only thing that should be done. It is not the end-all, be-all, but it is something. And that's one of the reasons I wanted to highlight it. I agree.

And I am well aware of how I'm coming off. And let me tell you. No, you're right. But just by the way. This is a place I've been to. Drove up that long world in St. Francisville. Visited men that have been there. Seeing the pictures and all of that stuff.

This is a place that I've been to. It's got to change. You're right. And like for me personally, looking at that, I'm like, that is amazing and it's beautiful. And yeah, there has to be somebody in there that takes the walls down. There has to be someone. That's true.

But when you drive up that road, you drive past white men sitting on horses. As black men are out there picking shit up. You're like, yo, what the fuck is going on? Like, what is happening in this type of place? the way these men inside these places are commodified. Like when you go in there, are the questions being asked, like how much does it cost for you to call your mom?

Like, seriously, just break it down to a, like, when you are in a place like this and you're talking to an inmate, next time you talk to an incarcerated person, ask them, how much does it cost for your mama to accept the call? Like, what company is making money of your mom accepting the call? can she afford to stay in touch with you? Like, who's making money from the food that you are eating right now? Is it our mark?

Is it a company that's coming in there and feeding you low quality food? Right? And then making a million dollars a prison or a billion dollars a year, whatever the fuck it is off the fact that you have to eat inside. Like, what, how are you, how are they treating you in here? All of that. And I hope to God, pray to God, that this kind of. company is doing all of that work.

But in addition to the dancing, there needs to be somebody. They need to be some part of this that is addressing how these men got there, what their lives are like when they get there, and what happens when they leave. Other than that, I can't fucking dance with you. I need somebody that has some fucking answers. Bringing God into the prison is fantastic. Spirituality is expansive. It brings you into you.

your humanity. All of that is phenomenal. That's great. But who's working on the other side? Like, what's happening? And by the way, they probably, because the information on the website was sparse, right? But they probably maybe will respond to some of these questions. And they're only questions.

But you would have to have been, not have to have been. everybody understands the reality of prisons like Angola and other places like that. There's so much wrong happening. And everybody get with an organization and try to, if you have the chance. Worth rises, Bianca Tilek, and a lot of the information and a lot of the work that they do is phenomenal. Campaign Zero, DeRay McKelson, get with some organization. Connect yourself to some group that can better educate. you on the lives of an incarcerated person.

And the deeper you get into that, man, listen to DeRay talk about life at Rikers. The more you get into that, the more you go, okay, fathers and daughters and human, all of that is, that is such a vital part of it. But if you go in there, to me,

you're signing up for a lot more than just that. But I completely understand how this is coming off. Like, I totally get it. I agree. It shouldn't be the end-all, be-all, but I do think that programs like this are necessary as well. I agree. I agree.

My bad I had to be, we're not even going to talk about the Miami Day, the barber who try to shoot the guy in the barbershop. Yeah, let's just. We're not even going to talk about it. The only thing I'll say about it is this. You know, doing both of those together, this is the tension of higher learning.

This is the tension. Doing what together? So doing the incarcerated dance and then doing this and then seeing that video this is the tension that lives in me. Do you know why?

Because you know what I say? I see when I see that guy pulled a gun out on his barber in front of the kids, you know what I think? What? I think some of them

you got to put in jail. I think of that like that and that's wrong. In that video, guys, the man says he, when he pulls the gun out on the barber for what he felt like

was he pushed his hair line back, the guy said he had seen him before and cut his hair many times. He goes back outside, gets his gun and then it's like, you're lucky I don't want to go back to prison. It's two kids in the barbershop. That's why he didn't kill him.

The kids are fucking terrified. You're changing their brain chemistry. Yeah. Like you're changing their brain chemistry. The two kids, when you see it, you will be moved. They are holding each other in fear of some guy getting mad because his line is not to his liking

and pulling a gun on someone. This is when a video. like this happens, I call my abolitionist friends, I go, okay, how do we deal with this? Like, what do we do? Because I'm not a law and order, throw them all away, but I'm like, God, damn, is... For so many reasons.

Yeah, like, what the... How do we do this? Because I'm... Because that type of shit will make you into a Republican for just a second. For just a second, that's what you have to fight against. You have to fight against it. For just a second, I'm like, ah, throw him white. Get his ass out of here. Call somebody for his motherfucking ass. Somebody come get this, God.

damn nigger. He can't be in our society. And I'm like, whoa, shit. Mark him out here. Philip McHenry. Like, bro, what do we do? Like, how do we do this? And then they tell you, they go, hey, man, there's so many things that go into it about, but for a second when I saw that, I was like, somebody did his motherfucker ass. But he needs to be in jail. I'll say it.

I know you. I know. Sorry. I know. Sorry. The judge. That man, as easy as he went out and got that gun in front of children, no regard. No regard for the children. That's that like no regard. So easily pulled out a gun and shoved it in that man's face.

We got to help as well. Because I had a long conversation about that. We got to help. But as we help. Some people don't want to be helped. We got to help. I would love to know what he was in prison for. How long he had been out.

Parking tickets. It was parking tickets. I looked it up. It was parking tickets. He had a got a lot of parking. He said prison. Yeah, he went to prison for parking tickets. He was the parking ticket king of Miami is what they say.

He went to prison for parking tickets. Prison of parking tickets. He's like he got a lot of tickets. A lot of them were in a long. You're like, you're like, you're like. You're like, what? What? But he got a lot of,

Art Basel, he got a lot of tickets at Art Basel and then they put him in jail. So this was the first time he had ever done anything violent. Listen, I'd love to know what the backstory is, but I'm sorry. Sometimes you can help somebody. By putting them in jail. A little bit, just a little bit.

See, Daddy didn't, did Daddy down the dance and all that? I don't want to, I don't want to. I believe in recidivism so much. I believe in rehabilitation. You believe in recidivism. You believe in fighting recidivism. Sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry. Then I said rehabilitation.

So you know what I mean. I believe in it. But I'm sorry. That man should be out on the street. It was tough to watch. That man should not be out of the street. I don't want, I'm not, it just feels weird for me to advocate for putting, but I'll watch that. Maybe he shouldn't own a gun.

He pissed me. Like maybe he shouldn't have been able to have access to gun. Maybe that's a deeper issue. The gun laws. Like, why does he, why? Because he could he so easily have a gun, pull a gun out? Maybe that's it. Okay, maybe it's not prison.

Maybe it's the gun. I don't know, but that situation shouldn't have happen. When you have these thoughts, call one of your friends. When you have a friend that's into abolition, fellows, when you're feeling a little saji, call up one of your home girls. who is really well versed in fighting misogyny so they can tell you that you suck

and that you need to do better and give you five different bell hooks books to read, right? So always check yourself. When you're feeling a little saji, and I was feeling a little republican-y when I saw that video, I wish that somebody, like I'm walking by, just trip him down on the ground.

And officer? Man. Officer! Officer, you see what he did to the children? but then I had to call some people and get talked off the ledge. So you feel nothing. I do feel something. Now he should be in.

Take your thinking caps and your shackles off. But don't stop learning and don't stop dancing. I'm looking forward to talking to the people from God behind bars. Yeah, yeah. I'm Rachel and Lindsay. Bye guys. Some follow the noise. Bloomberg follows the money.

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