Higher Learning with Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay - Prayer in Schools and Playing Animal Games

Episode Date: April 29, 2022

Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay discuss the Supreme Court case involving a high school football coach claiming the right to pray after games (14:12), Joe Biden considering student loan cancellation (39:50), and finally—let the Animal Games begin (1:04:34)! Hosts: Van Lathan Rachel Lindsay Producers: Trudy Joseph and Donnie Beacham Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Yo, yo, yo, thought warriors. What is up? Higher learning is on. It is I, Van Lytton Jr. And it's me, Rachel Lynn Lindsay. Rachel and Lindsay is hydrated. You got a big water. Hydrated.

Hydration station. Hydrated. And in the process of washing my hair. You know what I mean? So you got the whole little thing there? I got some hair oils, a concoction that Kalika cooked up for me. So I'm letting it marinate in my hair with this hair wrap on right now before I go wash it. So did you fuck your kitchen up to?

Because that should be fucking up the kitchen. You laugh is true. That shit be fucking up the kitchen, man. And they're making a witch's brew. Okay. First of all, I literally thought you meant the back of the head. Oh, you thought you meant the back of the head. I was like, no, it's not.

I don't do it in the kitchen. Where do you do it? Well, I mean, she made it. So it's in little bottles for me. Did you pay her? So like she wouldn't take money. Got out here working for free. God damn, man.

Like we're trying to. It's called being a friend. It's called being a friend. She made it. She made herself some. She made it for me. I'm using it. Listen, that's what friends are for.

What are you got going on this weekend? We are going at town. Okay. You're in Brian. Brian? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Brian's nephew is getting married. So we're going for a little wedding, quick getaway.

You burp. Be nice. See the family, Brian's side of the family. You burp a lot. You ever told you that before? No, but I'm typically gassy. That lets me know that's your farty. You're a farty person.

No, that's the way they come out of me through burps. That's the people. When people say that, that is cap. It's true. It's like people say that it's cap. I think, number one, you might force them as burps,

but I want to challenge you to let yourself fart. Listen, also I'm drinking water. Whenever I drink water like this, it makes me burb. That's true. Anyways, what's you got going on this weekend? How's the book tour going?

Let us know. Fill us in. You know, thought warriors are excited. So I've been doing, I did the live signing on Tuesday. I did the breakfast club yesterday. I did Sway in the morning. Today I did

DJ Academics on Tuesday. Shout out to academics. We got drunk. It was a shit show. I did. Then my pal, Amy Schumer, had me yesterday.

She was like, hey, do you want to be in a sketch? So do you want to be in a sketch? And I was like, sure. So I did a sketch yesterday with Amy Schumer. Didn't end up leaving until around 3 a.m. And didn't end up leaving academics to around. 3 a.m. the day before,

then having to wake up and do interviews. So I'm doing it. But like, I got to meet Kara Delavine. Amber Tamblin. Look at you. Look at the circles you're rolling in. He's too fancy for us, y'all. I'm not rolling the circles because I'm a square, baby.

Squares don't roll in circles. We do our square thing, you know? And even though I am tired, burning the candle at the burst, both ends right now, I'm still going to allow myself to go exist in Central Park, which is right up the street here, during the sunset hours. Sunset in Central Park. Oh, you're in that area in New York. That's my favorite area in New York to stay in.

Oh, for real, not me. My favorite area is the lower east side, the east side with my friends, the east side on, the east side with my people east side. Uh-uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh. Not sure what happened. So when you look at me, see, this is the thing with you, Rachel. You, Rachel, Trudy, Donnie Beecham, when a song just comes out of me, y'all can't, y'all can't make me suppress it. That's not right.

We don't. We can't. We try. We can't. You force it on us. There's no stopping it. And we just have to sit. sit there and take it.

And that's why you get those facial expressions. Every once in a while, you hit you, it's like you strike gold. But most of the time, I'm not going to lie. How about this? All those songs sounded like. How about this? They all sounded like just a different word, same beat. I'm like every other songwriter then, if I'm being honest, because you make 10 songs

on the album, two of them are really good. The rest of them get you through the album. You know what I'm saying? You might have five ones that are really. dope, but I'm writing a lot of songs and got a lot of ideas. You know what I'm saying? I got a lot of things in this head in this noggin. Should have made a song up about the book. That's what you should have been doing.

Fact crazy and tired. The tales of retress of transformation. Moment is past, but I'm just saying what you should have. I probably should have. I probably should have. But you know what I found? Maybe you found the same thing. Talking about the book so much, do you ever feel like it cheapens the feelings that you that you have in the book. Did you ever feel like you were selling people your vulnerability and after a while did it always feel good to you? Um, I, no, but I got sick of myself.

I kind of got sick of myself too. I got sick of myself. Like it just sounded obviously, it's real. You know, there's your words, your feelings, your stories, your memories, whatever. They may be your thoughts, opinions. But I got sick of myself and it felt a little obnoxious at times. God damn it sure does. You know, I think I like to talk about me, but it's not as much as I thought I did.

You know what I mean? Right. Right. And a lot of the questions become the same and you're like, you know, you try to think of creative ways to answer. I don't know. It's a lot. But it's good. I'm glad you're on the book for.

I'm happy that people care and I'm very grateful that people care. But, you know, there's some really tough things to talk about in the book. And some of this stuff, I've become an expert in shoving it all the way down deep and letting it come out in song and letting it come out in overeating. And not having to talk about it, it's like, sometimes it's like, therapy by interview. And I'm so happy. Oh, absolutely therapy.

Yeah, so happy that everybody's down with me. But, you know, it's tough. You're excited later on in the show about animal, animal, animal games, animal, more games. Are you excited about that? I'm curious. You're curious. You don't like animals, do you? Let's be honest. Stop. Don't start. I have an animal. Even though I like to refer to him as that. Yes, I have a son. It's hard for me to think of Bowesman as an animal. Do you know that I miss the affection of the dog? Like, Bozeman is like, he's not, I don't look at him as a dog. People, people, it offends me when people say that, I don't know. I don't say that.

I should do things that other dogs do when it comes to Bozeman. Bozeman isn't a dog. Do you understand that Bozeman sees me on the couch and comes and gets on the couch and curls up to me, puts his head on me and like, you know, what's up? What? He's not, he's like a, he's a thing that is my companion. He's not, he might not be a human in a traditional sense, but I feel his soul. So it's hard to think of him as a human, as a dog, you know. He's not. He's not. Don't make, don't do it. Don't, don't let people make you do

that. I get offended when people actually say dog. Rachel, what's your favorite kind of cake? Now. Pound. You like a little icing on that or what? No. My mom makes the best homemade pound cake. There is no icing. Yeah, boy, I'll tell you pretty hair. It looks like she can make some pound cake, man. She really can. Pretty hair. I can't even lie.

I want to eat at the judge your pretty hair's house. You come to Dallas. Listen, the door is open. You, know they love you. They would love to have you over. My mom will cook you anything you want. All right. So I have a, speaking of that, I have a, I have a demand of you. This is what you have to do.

This is what you have to do, Rachel. Rachel, there's something you have to do. You have to come to New Orleans Sunday, May 8th. That's literally tomorrow. That's not tomorrow. How much? You have to, I don't care. Like you, I don't, like, everything you're about to say is whatever.

next Friday, you and Brian catch a flight, flying to New Orleans. Everybody's going to be there. Like, I'll be in New Orleans for two weeks due to hip-hop homicides, right? Oh, two weeks. Wow. Yeah, and so.

Jam-packed episode. And so, what are you doing? Are you selling it there? Are you selling the episode? It's a jam-packed episode of hip-hop homicides. Two weeks. You haven't spent two weeks, not even in your beloved Chicago. I was there 10 days, though.

Okay. So it's like two weeks. It might be the same amount of time. It might be like 10 days because I think it is. I'll leave the third. I think we're coming back to 14th. So it's more like 11 days. And that weekend, a lot of people are going to be down in New Orleans, right?

Steve is going to be there. Kaleek is coming. My mom is going to be there. And we're going to savage the fucking block that weekend in New Orleans. Savage the fucking block. Player-proof crew? Oh, yeah, they're coming down. And that Sunday, my mom is going to be, even though it's Mother's Day, she has agreed

and she wants to slave over a hot oven to make you niggas food. We're talking egg and be. We're talking to fried things. We're talking maybe a seven-up cake or a German chocolate situation. Oh, seven-up cake is right up there too. So it's a three-hour flight. I know that it's short notice, but let's look at the three-hour flight. but let's look at two things.

Number one, I'm bad at this type of stuff. You know that. That's the first thing. I'm not great at no one's going to be. You know that. Number two, you're rich. And so the cost of the flight isn't going to bother you. Let's just keep it real money bags, Lindsay.

And then the second thing is it's only a three-hour flight. It's booming to New Orleans. Brian, Rachel, fun times. Commander's Palace will go on a fucking riverboat. We'll do all kinds of stuff. then you guys can come back. You guys can come back. You're not coming.

I can tell by your voice. No. So we have this thing. We're in the middle of sweeps during the month of May. So it's hard for me to be able to get away because I got to work Monday morning. If there was a way I could work from New Orleans, I would do it. Can we move this? Can we move it to Saturday?

Well, Saturday night we're getting busy too. So here's the thing. So if you don't want to stay for the dinner, that's cool. but Saturday night is the night that we're getting busy because I'll have off I'll have seriously I'll have off from hip hop homicides that Sunday

so those Saturday night is that is going to be the night on the town when we go nuts you know what I'm telling you when I say we're going to go nuts we're going to go nuts we're going to go nuts it's going to be so stupid Rachel do you understand what I'm talking about this is

this is so I'm talking about being stupid. Just think about it. Maybe you can't make it. Maybe you can't make it. But if you can't make it, then we have to do a separate New Orleans trip because my mom really wants to meet you. I want to meet her too. Will she be there Saturday?

Yeah. To be honest with you, I would assume that she will get a tent and camp out in New Orleans for the entire time that I'm there. She's super excited. I'm going to be back here. Let me think about this because a Saturday, perhaps. Yeah, maybe so. Perhaps we could do. I love a, my parents just got back from New Orleans.

I love a good New Orleans trip. You think that they made love while they were there? We've been through this type of conversation. Maybe they did. I don't know. I don't ask those type of questions, nor do I think about them, man. I know. I'm just saying, I know that people.

No, no, you're not, I don't want to hear anything you're saying. Come on, man. It's a romantic city. It's a romantic city. Actually, I don't think New Orleans is romantic like that at all. And I love New Orleans. But you don't think the judge goes and puts on a robe and gets all oiled up and talks? You don't think that that happens?

Donnie? What's the big deal of the day? The judge. You know, oh, do you think he ever wears his, does he? Wait a minute. What? Does your dad wear a judge robe? Yes.

Oh, my God. This is the illest nigger that's ever lived. It just dawned on me. Did you not think he was? I don't know why I wouldn't put this together. It just dawned on me that he for a job puts on that robe. That is the illest shit ever. Ever.

And I'm sure if you visit the courtroom, he'd let you put on the robe. He'd let you sit up there. Bain the gavel? Now, I'll just let you know something. You're kind of living out. the role play that probably happens. You know what I'm saying? Okay.

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Supreme Court, the U.S. Supreme Court, the highest court in the land where they wear robes as well. They seem sympathetic to a coach who claims the right to pray. The U.S. Supreme Court heard another church state case on Monday in which the court's conservative supermajority appears to be moving towards a greater accommodation for religious expression in public schools. The case was brought by a public high school football coach who claims the right to kneel and pray on the 50-yard line at the conclusion of each game, joined by those of his players that want to participate.

School authorities in the town of Brimerton, Washington told coach Joseph Kennedy to stop his midfield praying because it violated school policy. Their policy is for school employees to neither encourage nor discourage religion. The school district and the lower court said Kennedy's public praying amounted to a school endorsement of religion. religion and Kennedy was put on paid leave when he refused to stop. All right. Judge Sonia Sotomayor posted a series of hypothetical questions about where draw the line of religious speech for school employees. When, if ever, can teachers pray in class? Could the school fire a coach who decides to put a Nazi swastika on his arm and claims

it is a part of his religion when he goes to the middle of the field to pray? Could the school say no? Kavanaugh came back. Every player is trying to get on the good side of the coach, and every parent is worried about the coach exercising favoritism in terms of starting lineups, playing time, recommendations, colleges, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yet, Kavanaugh still decided, along with Neil Gorsuch. It is now time for the court to bury some of its older precedents for good.

Precedents that might include the separation of Trescent State. Most prominent is a 1971 case, which barred the use of the use of, of taxpayer money to pay for parochial school, teacher salaries, and books because such expenditures would unconstitutionally entangled the government with religion. In legal shorthand, the case is seen as a ban on the endorsement of religion. So there are two sides of this. One is the school board. One is the coach is lawyers. Rachel, this is an interesting one.

You love God. But what are your thoughts? It is interesting because, yes, you said I love God, but there also is the separation, there's a separation of church and state. And the way the Supreme Court has ruled in the past and the way that it seems like they're leaning towards ruling in this case is in favor of Christianity without explicitly saying it's Christianity. And I think that this case is interesting because it's this whole like freedom of religion versus freedom from religion. And I think that questions, the questions that, interestingly enough, Justice Kavanaugh was asking about the coach are really what are important. Because you have to look at who's the one who's expressing their faith or their religion. So the coach is kneeling on the 50 yard line after every game in prayer.

He's doing it by himself. and if people want to gather, they can. They don't have to. They're not forced to. But the coach is in this position of power. So if you're a student who's extremely impressionable or, you know, being coached by him, you look at him and what he's doing

and you think that you'll find some sort, I don't know how it's inevitable for you to not think that you'll find some sort of favor by also taking a knee and praying with him. Because of his position of power, you have to consider that we're making this type of decision. It's not like he's bowing and saying grace before a meal at lunch or before a meal with a team. You know, he's expressing his religion. And I think that it also takes into account that as a country, we deem Christianity as acceptable. But I think if this was another religion that was being expressed on the 50 yard line, this wouldn't even be a discussion. I think that they would rule against it. And yeah, maybe like as, you know, maybe people expect for me to say one thing. because I do, you know, I am a Christian and I do love God, but I think that if the law of the land is separation of church and state,

this to me doesn't really separate it when you look at who is expressing their religion. And if it was another way around, it wouldn't be okay. And I think that that's the only way to do it, because if you look at the Establishment Clause of Under the First Amendment, it also prohibits government actions that unduly favor one religion over another. And it seems that Christianity is favored in this way as opposed to other religions that aren't necessarily viewed in a general sense is acceptable in the way that Christianity is. You know what I'm saying? Yep.

I just don't know how. I think this is a tougher case than maybe they initially thought that it was going to be. But if they rule in favor of the coach, I think they're ruling in the side of the right, which we know that the court is now right leaning. and I think that they're ruling in favor of Christianity. So you can't, coach can't do this. Just can't. I'll connect a couple of things that people may have thought that I can't connect. I'll connect this with Lucy K. masturbating.

Okay, so Louis K. asked every single woman that he masturbated in front of you if he could do that. He asked them. So you might be, so there are some people that go, hey, somebody asked him. if they can masturbate in front of you, uh, you say yes, that's consent.

Aha, not so fast. What if you feel like you can't say no? Now, there are of course a bunch of people out there that might have the ability to say no, right? They might go, oh,

I don't want to do that. But what if you're a young female comic and you feel like if you tell Louis C.K. He can't jack off in front of you, then that means you don't get to go on the next show. That it's some kind of way puts a distance in between you and CK. If you see the coach praying, and you see the team go pray because the coach is praying,

you become the one kid that didn't pray. And if the coach lives his life by the edict of God, then maybe you might feel like God told the coach don't play you. Or if you fumbled a ball, maybe the coach will tell you you you fumbled because you don't have Jesus in you helping you hold on tight to the ball. Or maybe the team isn't performing as well as the team is supposed to be performing because, aha, the team is falling out in favor with God.

I'm not saying I never prayed on the field. I did it all the time. And not only would I do it, but after the game, a group, you've seen this all the time. Groups of athletes, they pray together. And I'm not saying that the coach

couldn't join a group of athletes praying. This is a weird thing. I mean, I guess he could. Actually, no, he can't. No, he could join, but he couldn't lead it. He couldn't lead it. Because that's just going to even,

to me, to me, I would, I would prefer that expressions like that, don't involve employees of the school. I'm just going to be honest with you. I would prefer because here's my thing. Of course, if this was Satanism or if this was Jesus, if this was Islam, oh my Lord, if there was some coach right now,

Fox News, Sharia law takes over Tallahassee High School. You know what I mean? So if this was a different religion, of course, but beyond the what aboutisms of it, is that the separation of church and state has never really been as much of a part of Americana as we would have liked it to be, but it exists for a very good reason. And that reason is so that people feel free not to make decisions, but people feel free to not do something. People feel like it doesn't hurt them to if they don't want to be a part of organized religion. And they don't want to be under the thumb of a religion and have that religion bleed in.

to political decisions that the government might make. And I'll tell you who agrees with me about this. God, let's go with the fact right now. I believe in God, you believe in God. Let's go with the fact right now that God is real. There are a lot of our followers and listeners out there who don't believe in God and we respect your ability and we respect the way that you live your life as much as we hope you respect the way that we live our lives.

but if a divine being created every single person that's in existence and every single thing in the universe and the galaxies and he put it into people to give them the free will to decide whether or not he wanted to follow whether we wanted to follow it or not when I refer to God I will say it

sexless I'm not saying that whatever so if God gave man free will then man is compelled to give man free will. And man is also compelled to protect the free will of men. And that doesn't go against God. That is actually being godly. Because God, if you believe in such a thing, doesn't want you to do it under persecution.

They're supposed to be love, connection, and intent in your relationship with the higher power. And you shouldn't have to pray because you think that your coach is going to be off on you if you don't pray. The reality is this is the school. All right. If you want to be in a locker room and you want to tell people, hey, if you believe in a God, it's your time to pray to him right now. If you believe whatever it is, if you want to tell people, if you want to get them together, whatever, you want to throw stuff out there to school. But any organized, any organized sort of team activity around prayer,

You just can't have it in the school. There are schools where you can go and get that. There are schools where you can go where there's a class, religion class, where everything is based around it, but this is not one of them. This school isn't for people who've made a decision to go to a school that has religion in it. This school is for everyone to attend the same time. So public school, public government funds, and you can't have it.

The separation of church and state is a central tenant. to American freedom. It just is. And I'm not going to be blinded because it's my religion. I'm going to say no. Coach, I'm sure it's a great guy. I'm sure it's a great guy. But I'm telling you right now, stop your hubris.

This to me, stop your hubris. It'll be interesting because if depending on how they decide and a lot of people are speculating that they will side with the coach, will you open up the door for other coaches to be able to do the same thing under a totally different religion? Will they end up revisiting it? I mean, that's what you're doing at this point, depending on how they decided. Basically, you could, you know, the coach was fired for what he did. So he says he was discriminated against because of his religion.

Well, then other people can make that same argument that doesn't fall under Christianity. He wasn't, he wasn't, wait, but he's, he's capping. He wasn't fired because he prayed. He was fired because he refused to stop praying. So like, I love that. Right, but that's, right, but I'm just saying what he's alleging in his, in his lawsuit was, and, you know, it was, it came from this side and the Ninth Circuit, the Ninth Circuit ruled against him. No, but he's saying, that's what he's alleging, right. Yes, not because the school. is saying not because he, not because he of his religion, but because what he refused to stop doing. Yes, but that is what, but that's what he's alleging in this suit.

So I just think it'll be interesting to see how it all plays out. I do disagree with you, though. I think that if a group of students do decide to, like a group of students, let's say 30 students get on the field from both teams and circle around the middle and decide to pray, and coaches join them. That happens all the time. I think that's totally different from a coach being the first one out there and leading. And let's not forget that more facts of this is that he was leading people in prayer in the locker room and everything.

So there's what more to it than just what he was doing on the field. But it's totally different from a coach being the first one out there and leading and doing it by himself and people thinking, oh, well, if I do this, you know, like maybe it'll win favor with the coach. then students on their own volition doing it and coaches just joining in in unity. It's totally different in my opinion. Not to me, but I can understand how you see it. Let me ask you a question if all the students were in the middle of the field doing cocaine and the coach joined in.

Would that be okay? Well, cocaine is an illegal act to do. So you can't do that. Getting down on one knee is not illegal. It is if you're Drake. That boy's not asking anybody to marry him. that man is out here, that man's a rolling stone.

You know what I mean? Okay. Like that man's a rolling stone. Let me ask you a question. Let's say if all the kids were out in the middle of the, at the 50-yard line drinking, throwing back some E&J, would it be okay if the coach ran out there

and joined them in that situation? Are they of age? I'm asking. I'm asking. I want to ask you a different question. Again, what if the kids were out at the 50-yard line mugging people? Huh?

What if they were mugging people? Another illegal act. Can you give me something that's not an illegal activity? What about if the kids were out at the 50-yard line having sex, Rachel? Huh? What if kids were fronical? Public nudity. I mean,

not really. It could be, Nick. Indecent exposure. Yeah, you can't just be getting, come on. Can you wait? Can you, wait? Can you ask you a question? Seriously question.

And by the way, this is all jokes, but I don't think the coach can pray. I don't think the coach should be praying with the kids. I think if the kids want to pray, the kids want to pray, the kids can pray. I think the coach is an employee of the school, and he shouldn't be praying on He just shouldn't. Like, you know what I mean? If the coach leaves, if the kids are going to do some organized church shit away from school, then that is what it is.

But I don't think the coach should be praying with the kids. I don't. I really don't. But let me ask you the question. What if he says grace? What if they get their food and he bows his head? Well, he can say his own grace. He can say his own grace.

He can't lead an organized grace. He can say his own grace. So let me ask you this. So if you have sex. So having sex in public is, like even if you can't see anything, is that illegal? So what if there's, what if there's, see what I'm saying? What if you poke it out through the hole in your jeans and you got to see, is that illegal? Because what if you can't see any nudity?

Is it illegal to just, is the act of sex in public illegal? Or is it the nudity aspect of it that's illegal? I think it's the nudity. Get around that. I'm not to be honest with you. well van good good have fun figuring that out you know you can get around that there are contraptions you could probably put in the clothes they're all different types of people who want to do that huh it didn't we say it wasn't that a question that if there was a crime that you would commit

and i think you've said a decent exposure you you've clearly thought about this on multiple occasions you sick oh sick bastard uh your girl sage still has sued is P. That's how I knew she was a white woman. I know it. Only a white woman is free enough to sue the place they work. God damn, Sage. I love that.

I actually love that for her. While still employed. While still employed, she worsted is she suing them. She was on TV today. She's suing them. She says that the company treated her unfairly for the comments she made on the podcast interview last September. She alleges that the company breached her contract to violate her free speech rights. She was under fire after she went on Jay Cutler's podcast,

and she questioned the COVID-19 vaccine mandates and made comments about former president Barack Obama identified as black instead of biracial. She also said female sports journalists are partly to blame for athletes making inappropriate comments about them if they dress a certain way. Sage Steele said that if you dress a certain way, a nigga can say whatever he wants to say to you.

God damn it says Steele never change. So she said she's been sidelined for prime assignments. However, she does, however, anchor the noon sports center broadcast. Now, take this girl beef between you and Sage still off the table. If, in fact, she was sidelined from important stuff because of her opinions on these things, isn't that wrong? If she, well, if she was retaliated against, which is what she was. she's claiming, then yeah. I mean, it's wrong if she's retaliated,

but I just don't think that that's what happened here. You can catch for Sage Still on your TV, five out of seven days a week, hosting one of their flagship shows, and that's SportsCenter. So help me understand here. Yeah, she had to sit out for like a week or two, but that's because she made disparaging comments. It's not because of what she said about being black

or Barack Obama. It was because what she's, it's because of what she said about COVID-19. and how she criticized the very company that she works for. That's why she said she had to sit out. It had nothing to do with that. And she's also claiming that her colleagues don't like her and they bully her. They haven't liked you for a while, Sage. It had nothing to do with these particular comments.

They haven't. They haven't. Hello, she made news a couple of years ago during 2020 when she accused them of not including her in their segment regarding George Floyd. that she wanted to be a part of. And she called out two of her black coworkers and said that they stopped her from being a part of it. Well, no, they stopped you because you really haven't expressed opinions

that show that you're aligned with what was going to be presented and that special. My God, Jay Cutler called you the Candice Owens of ESPN. And she laughed at it and then complimented Candice Owens. If you call me that, I'll be like, what am I doing wrong? please tell me what I said. How can I fix it? That's the worst thing you could say.

You might as well call me Satan. Oh, I thought she said you might as well call me Sage. I was about to say, who-hoo. Seijan. Sagean. Sage and still. We have this in the rundown,

but I have to be honest with you, I don't really give a fuck what happens here. I think it, I think. With Sage? Yeah. Is she, are you not going to slap a percentage on her? Percentage of what? A white man's nigger?

Mm-hmm. What white man's nigger percentage is just say still? We're going, it's up there, man. I'll be honest with you. It's hard to, because like, sometimes there's no percentage. Sometimes you just are a white man's nigger. You know what I'm saying? Is that 100%?

Probably. She said that she made weird hair comments. I look, I don't want to look, Sage. I'm going to be honest with you. It feels weird to do the white man's nigger thing. with a black woman. I don't want to feel like I'm ever attacking a black woman. Well, I'm the one who told you, listen, if it was a black man saying this, we'd be giving

a percentage. You know what it is about Sage? You know what it is? I'll say it as a black woman. I'll be honest with you. She's definitely over 50%. But you know what it is about Sage? And this is where it's disappointing is like people who grew up watching sports and loving

sports and wanting to be a part of that world looked up to it. a stage still. And I think that's what so, like, I'll remember how excited I was the first time I met her and then she makes those comments to me that she made. And I'm like, whoa, that's not the person I thought that you were. So I think that it's so- What did she say again? What's she say again? That she was thrilled that I chose somebody who wasn't black. And like, she was more excited to talk to me about the fact that I chose Brian and I didn't care what people thought and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Rather, and I was just like, oh my gosh, I'm so excited to meet Sage still.

I majored in sports management. I focus on sports law. Like, I want to be doing sports and entertainment. And here's a woman who was doing it. And I remember. And so it's just so like you look up to somebody and then you're like, oh, wait, no, this is how you really are. And I think that's the beef that I have with Sage, where it's, I know there are other young people who grew up like me who looked up to her. And then it's like you're constantly saying disparaging comments against.

the community. And I think that is what you don't stand with us. That's what's disappointing. So on the one hand, if the network, first of all, I think that, so in terms of the COVID-19 situation, I think that there was a very direct sort of initiative by people, a very direct sort of stand that people took to police what is misinformation or disinformation about COVID-19, the vaccines,

and the disease and all that stuff. So to me, that actually falls into a different category. then whether or not people are being mean and ESPN about sage deals, wonky-raced kind of deals. If you're saying things out there that aren't true about COVID-19 and you're giving misleading statements about the vaccine, a network that is privately owned, by the way, a network that is privately owned has to step in and say,

hey, we don't want you representing certain things, sudden truths or certain lies about things that have truthful answers to them. You know what I mean? Like, and that's just a situation. Like that, that is real. As a corporation, ESPN has the right, Disney, should I say, has the right to make a decision about whether or not they're going to allow people that work for them to go out and spread misinformation or disinformation willy-nilly.

As far as any other controversial opinions that say still might have, She should be allowed to voice those on a podcast away from the company. She should be allowed to voice those. And she has been. Right. So she should be allowed to voice those. Right now, if I worked at TMZ for many years, if I had, you know, I'm not even going to say that because I'm not going to injure another group making a hypothetical. That's what got Sean King fucked up just a little just a second ago.

But I will say that if you want to, like free speech doesn't come without comment. consequences. And if you want to be this type of, on the other hand, right now, Colin Kaepernick is fighting for his football life to get back in the NFL, right, for free speech matters. And there's a whole swath of the country that agrees with Sage Still that would say that it's okay to keep Colin Kaepernick off the field for business reasons. We've got to come to some kind of logical consensus on whether or not free speech is okay or whether or not it's not okay. Because the reality in the situation is you can say whatever you want, but that doesn't mean your boss has to like it.

That doesn't mean your friends have to like it. That doesn't mean that other people have to like it. In a situation with Cap, I personally think that standing up for people's rights makes you, should make you more valuable to your employer. But they colluded to keep this man out of the league. And I bet you a lot of stage still defenders would say

that that's not the same as what she did. But what are you making a face? Rachel, give it to me. Give me the heat. Well, no, I'm just like, I'm like when you talk about we got to come to some logical consensus. I think that's the whole issue that's going on in this country. You've got that sector, those people who would support a sage deal who are illogical. I mean, just look at the way there's so many issues are handled in this country.

Look at the don't say gay bill. Oh, parents need to decide what is taught to their children. Okay, but then parents can't decide what medicine their children should have when it comes to hormonal issues when it comes to what's happening with with transgender rights. It's like that's the whole thing. Oh, but you can't tell, you can't, you know, my body, my choice with a vaccine, but you can tell my body what to do when it comes to abortion. That's literally the entire right.

It's just full of hypocrisy. I have to figure it out. There's some hypocrisy. There's some hypocrisy on both sides, though, from being honest with you. There is. I'm not saying the left is free from it. I'm just saying it just seems to be so obvious when it. it comes to how these laws are proposed and put out there.

The left isn't free from it, but the right is making it their platform, the platform of hypocrisy. All right, Rache, uh, Biden is mulling significant student debt cancellation. He might cancel these student loan debts.

I'm over it. Don't say no more. Just either fucking cancel it or don't. I hope that's not the way this is done, Rache. Raich, stop teasing us. First of all,

there's elections coming up. And he has to tease you. guys to get you guys energized to go out to the post first of all don't don't be this flipping about this this is what you goddamn wanted you guys have pushed and bullied the president into doing this and now he's going to do it now this is this is we like this is not going to do it this is Biden's he'll if he wants to win he'll do it I'll be honest with you at this point this is his last this is his last gasp and gusto like with with the with the progressives he is striking out, okay?

And with the black progressives, he might as well be playing for, look, with the black, we didn't get the George Ford bill. We haven't gotten it yet. Maybe we will get it one day. I wouldn't cross my fingers about it. Voting rights is uphill battle,

all of these things. For the president, if he wants to have any sort of cachet with the youths, with the youths, and with the young progressives, he needs to try to make if not if no for no other reason forget about the fact that it would to me in my opinion uh invigorize a host uh like revitalize should i say or wait can you vigorize something vigor can you vigorize can you invigorize can you invigorize a word i don't don't what would you say

invigorating invigorated i don't know if been vigorized can you invigorize anything I don't think you can. I'm not saying that. I'm not saying that anywhere. I'm going back to invigorate. I know what you can do. You can enigorize something. But the fact is it would, let's let's say inspire and invigorate.

Ha ha. It would invigorate an entire large swath of voting eligible people. And to me, give a little jolt to the economy, especially the economy right now that's being plagued by record inflation, hitting people who don't have discretionary income the hardest, right? So what I'm saying is I think it would be a good economic move, and I think it would be a good move, a political move, but this is going to happen, in my opinion,

specifically and only for political reasons right here. This will be a hell-marry pass, and he's going to hope that some millennial living at home with their mom or some Gen X or living at home, Gen X or Gen Y or living at home with their mom, is going to catch that and then take it into the voting booth with them. But at this point, if he wants any, any, any, any sort of cachet with a certain group, he's going to have to do something about this in my opinion.

This is the last thing that he can do. It said, the president smiled and said, quote, you're going to like what I do on that. I'm looking to do something on that. And I think you're going to like what I do. Don't look anymore, Joe. Do something. help get rid of the loans i don't want to hear any more conversation about it i just want you to do it

don't talk about it until you're signing something some type of executive order using your powers something to do more than that 10,000 dollars and don't let it be public you'd be great if you could attack some of these private loans too you want you want those loans go on help look now now is help Joe help. Now it's help Joe help. You were just on his man's neck. No, I'm asking. I'm just telling you, be about it.

I don't want to hear it. I don't want you to take any more meetings in private. I don't want to. Just do something. We've been talking about loans since before you were in the presidency. You've been do something. So let me ask you this. So the word is that because it doesn't seem likely that Congress would be the place to go to get something past,

that he could use some executive action to forgive at least. $10,000. To you, is $10,000 going to be enough for people to, uh, forgiven for people to feel like he's got, they've gotten some. No. No.

Especially people who went to college and then people who went to private universities and then people who went on to go past college. Getting your master's, PhD, law, dental school. Like you got six figure loans. That's nothing. You a six figure nigger. I'm a six figure

a nigger. I'm a six, we should call people so look, I'm not even going to get into the song because I was about to. What's the number then? What's the number of forgiveness? If it can't all be wiped off the books by executive action, what's the number? I think it should be, it should be based on how much, how many your loans are, how much, how many loans you have, right? So 50 might erase something for, for all, their whole loan. But 50 for other people might be one-fourth of the amount of loans they have. If they went on to law school, dental school,

like, and then you combine that, that's a lot. Wait. So. It's niggas that went to law school and dental school? No, I'm saying law school or dental school. Oh, I was about to say, you, you need to pay them loans back. You got two top flight careers there. You're a lawyer and a dentist.

You're a lawyer and a dentist. Yeah, but you got to think about that. You're paid lawyers, for example, right? You go to college for four years. Then you go to law school. you're sick and you took loans out, your six figures in. Lawyers coming out, a lot of them don't make $100,000. So it's like, well, I'm over here struggling trying to pay these loans.

I want you to think about this, Rachel, if you went to law school and dinner school, you could represent somebody. I said the wrong thing. I apologize. You could think about this. You could represent somebody in a car accident where they fucked their mouth up. And while you're representing them, you could give them a card. and say, hey, I know where you can get your teeth fits all the way around. You could fix somebody's teeth and they could tell you they got them from an accident

and you could say, you know what? Meet me at 430 right here because from 430 to fucking 630, I'm a lawyer. That is a hustle. I don't know why more people don't do that. Okay, first of all. Brian should get a law degree. Whoa. If Brian got a law degree,

Brian could crack people's backs and sue the motherfuckers that don't do both Why? Nobody would take his credit He wouldn't be a credible carapacker They'd be like Oh, you racking up the bills

To make money for yourself No, you can't do both You can't do both Anyways, you can't do both And honestly, how many people hurt their teeth How many people hurt their teeth in a car? I'm a visionary I don't care what I'm an idea man, Rachel

You are a visionary But this one ain't working I'm an idea man I never thought about that cross over. I know a guy named Okay. There's a reason. His name is okay. He has a brother name is Jim.

Okay is the craziest nigga I know. Okay is a lawyer, a doctor, and he's in the army. This nigga went to law school. He probably got to pay for them. This nigga went to law school. This nigga went to medical school and he went to Iraq. Name me somebody else. Okay, is my guy.

One of the smartest men I know is besides the fact he's an Ohio State football fan. Name me somebody I know. Name me somebody else who went to law school, medical school, and Iraq. Who goes to all three? I don't know. I don't know that person.

Who goes to all three? Yeah, no. Probably got a lot of loans too. It's incredible. It's incredible. But yeah, no. To answer your original question, the loan should vary based on how many you have.

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its extensive entanglements with slavery. University President Lawrence Pekal said Tuesday. The university's attempt to reckon with the past is detailed a report called Harvard in the legacy of slavery, which sounds like a band, which documents show how the slavery. trade in the 17th and 18th centuries compromised a vital part of the New England economy and powerfully shaped Harvard University. Fucking duh, niggas.

Rachel, what do you think about this? Harvard wants to use some of this money to figure out what's going on. But when Harvard figures out, and I'm sure that they know, by the way, the details and the extent to which they were involved in slavery, what should they do? Well, I mean, they said what? They're going to have $100 million, this fund that they're going to use for current students. And then they're also going to use it for future students is my understanding. Yeah.

Okay. Well, first, my thought was this dispels that myth, that the North was this magical slave-free place. Oh, that's not a myth. That's misinformation. Anybody who thought that the whole nation was driving off slave later. I think there's quite a few people who think that, oh, yeah, you can just run to the north and you were free. It just proves how racist as a whole this country is. But my whole question was like, so what does that mean? I need to know, okay, great, $100 million.

You go to, it's some form of reparations. If it is reparations, why are we just using it for current and future? This should be given to some of these students from the past. That's what they need to do. And who's monitoring this fund and how is this money going to be dispersed? I need more. That's all I kept thinking. I need more. Great. You've got this money. You're going to to use it to write your wrongs or try to write your wrongs or show that you're doing something on behalf of black people because you clearly weren't for them in the beginning of all this and your school was built on racism. Great. Now, how are we going to, I just need to make sure that this is actually going to be done. It's one thing to say it. Again, help. It's one thing

to say it. It's a whole other thing to how are we actually going to implement this and who's going to be monitoring it to making sure it's actually getting done? It's not for me to give you guys a book. All right. It's time for me to give you guys a book written by Sandy Dherty. I think I've talked to you about it before. I want you guys to read this book to understand this situation. All righty now. Okay. The name of the book is from here to equality. Reparations for Black Americans in the 20th century. Sandy Derry. A book that I read, book that I really loved. In this book, Professor Derry, which was a brilliant man from the University of North Carolina, talks about reparations or slavery is not a North-South thing or even an American thing.

Global economies depended on African slavery. A lot of what was going on in financial hubs in Great Britain, a lot of the colors, the fabrics, the raw materials that were being exported by the United States, obviously came from slave labor. So when you're talking about reparations of slave labor, there is no safe region in the United States. If I told you right now that there were companies in the north newspaper companies, communications companies, who were benefiting from the fact that inside of their newspapers that they owned all over the place, they were putting in ads to buy slaves, ads to sell slaves, ads about runaway slaves,

and all kinds of stuff like that. They were taking all of that money. There were insurance companies. Japanese, huge ones that still exist today in some form of fashion that were taking on insurance on slaves. Slavery was the driving economic force of America until industrialization came around. And when something is the driving industrial, the driving economic force of a country, you can't be free of it. Like right now, if you live in America, you can't be free of Wall Street. Wall Street helps dictate prices and helps dictate the ebbs and flows of things, right?

You can't be free from inflation. You can't be free from these economic factors and slavery was the number one economic factor in America at that time right here and I would say it was the number one economic factor in the world at one time all of this free labor. So Harvard is not going to have to look very far

for its part in this and I'm not talking about directly its direct part it was all these financial institutions in these places like that they were passively complicit. It was hard not to So the burden, the debt owed to black Americans, and Professor Derry does a fantastic job in making this case.

The debt owed to black Americans is really that. It's a debt incurred by everyone. I'm glad Harvard is doing this. I'm glad they're looking at this. I can't say that I'm mad about it. But in order for me not to be skeptical about it, they're going to have to be serious about it. And if they're serious,

they're going to see that it's a might more than 100 million. dollars that it's going to take it. I'm not saying that that's what they're using to study it. But Harvard's going to have to be very intentional about this. And by the way, one way that they can do this is to invest more into young minds that might want to use the institution. I know somebody went to Harvard and told me that in every single dorm in Harvard there is a mess hall. That you got your own cafeteria in every single dorm. And when you're studying there, you can always go get a cookie. You can always go get something, even in the late nights. You can get, like, there's something called X missions at Harvard.

They don't want you to leave. They don't want you to drop out from an Ivy League school. They do everything to make sure that you succeed because succeeding at a place like that, those places are more, like, success dungeons than they are colleges. If you go to Harvard and you drop out, they feel bad because they don't want to lose people and have dropout rates go up, they need you to graduate with Harvard, go out to a world and be in success.

There are very few institutions like that that are just pushing forward young black minds and not letting them fail. And the best thing that Harvard could do, the best thing is to become one of those places that reaches into communities all over the place with kids who are bright enough to have gone to that school but might not have the right social circumstances

to go to that school and make sure they have the opportunity. That plus cut me a check. Okay. Um, getting a little freaky here. Rachel, have you seen this TikTok? Rachel, Rachel, you're, uh, you're interracial relationship. If it ain't racial, it's interracial.

You know what I'm saying? Interracial, Lindsay. Um, have you seen this TikTok on Twitter where these girls who are black let white men grab them and pull them like their slaves or something and then a little voice says Massa have you seen this? Sadly I have.

Your thoughts? I don't have any. Wait a minute. You gotta have thoughts. These type of videos, these type of actions, these type of people make it so hard for us in interracial relationships

as if we all as if we all think this way. This is so ridiculous. It's so ridiculous. Like, you make it so hard for us. You know how, like, when we talk about this, when someone who's a Christian does something or says something and it's just wild and you're like, gosh, you're making it, you're making it so hard for us.

Like, I can't defend that behavior. Like, this is why nobody, like, this is why people will jump and say that they're crazy. Like, this is why people talk about people in. interracial relationships. When you do something like this, they think that we all feel this way, and we don't. We don't. I wish I would let Brian grab me and put his hands on me.

I wish I would do a video to this type. No, no, it's not funny. It's insensitive. This is why you can't take slavery out of schools. I was having this conversation with someone. teachers in Texas where they were telling me about a school district that doesn't talk about slavery or passes, they're already starting to do this. I mean, I knew about it, but I didn't realize it was like really, really happening. Anyways, this is why you can't do it because people don't

talk about it in the same way. They don't realize it's importance, it's effect. It gets watered down. And then you have people making silly videos like this, like calling their white boyfriends, Massa, and laughing at it and thinking it's funny. I can't. What if this is, is this an acceptable kink? Because we always talk about kink shaming people. Because remember we did this. No.

We did the same thing with Mano. Well, then here's the thing then. So we talked about Mano and rightfully so, Mano and the slave play, right? And the question is going to become whether or not slave play is an acceptable kink. Because that seems like, because we don't want to kink shame anyone, right? Because right now, right now, if somebody told you right now that they jacked off while smelling pennies all day.

You'd be like, hey, it's weird, but that's for you. You know what I'm saying? Like the question, and I'm being serious about this, I think that this is disgusting, and I think that this is vile,

and I think that this is something that, that hints at a deep-seated misunderstanding of the human condition when you do this. But there are a lot of kinks out there that, I know niggas that like to get kicked in their balls. They balls stomp on. But that's not offensive. That's not offensive.

So you ask where you draw the line, you stop and you start to give someone a side eye or condemn whatever it is that they're doing. That is offensive. You are like, it's reverting back to a time. Just the fact that you are letting this white man call you Massa and you're laughing at it. That's a totally different type of thing.

You know, you're not with it. That's totally different. All right. I don't understand this young generation. And when you sent it, I thought it was going to be one video. Not 10. What's catching on? What are you talking about, Rachel?

You know, Brian, we're going to do the video. I love it. And the moment that he turns around, I'm going to turn around and I'm going to punch him. Yeah. Like, like, but see, the whole thing. Why is Brian catching strays for something that somebody else did? Why, like leave Brian alone? Brian is the type, because you know what?

I wonder, I wonder whose idea it was. That's what I wonder in these videos. Did the white guys come to these sisters and go, let's do these videos? And if the sisters came to them, said let's do it. If I'm a white dude, I'm like, I'm not doing that. Like, I, the fact that there's nobody that went, I'm not going to do that. The fact that the sisters were okay with it and the fact that the white guys were okay

with it and we did do it and like, I'm not doing that. The white guys would say, well, I think it's the, I personally think it's the black women that are initiating it because you can, the, the white men look confused by the whole thing. It looks like they were like, hold me like this and this and let me do this TikTok. but you would probably have white people, the white guys would probably say like, well, I thought it was okay because she did it. She thought it was fine.

It was fine for me. Like this is where we got to step up and be like, no, no, no. We draw a line right in the kinky sand. Puck motherfuckers. Don't, don't fuck with me. This episode is brought to you by WeatherTech. Everyone knows winter is the MVP and making a mess. You don't need WeatherTech floor liners in the summer,

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wrap in the little baby verse from Drake's wants and needs and everyone, and now, now she's the next thing? I saw it. I saw it. I saw it. Cool little video. I don't get it.

Is it a cool video? It's just a video that gets people excited. I think it's just another thing. But the fact that... Why are people excited? Why are people excited? Oh, Rachel, black people want to be accepted so bad. Why are people excited?

She's doing everywhere. A rap girl, white, and was able to recall every lyric to a little baby's verse on Drake song. So? So, it's just like, anytime somebody shows, anytime people show, any sort of respect for our culture, it feels like they're saying,

yes, you guys are okay. And when it comes from... Is that respect? Well, the fact that she knows the song where a lot of people would say that that means that she took the time to learn the song, and she did it with...

Took it to the Ove from King Vaughn, which I would never want her to do because that song is a big warning shot in this whole back and forth between O'Block and Tukaville that we'll talk more about on hip-hop homicides in September. But I'll tell you this.

there was another girl back in the day who didn't mimic a rap she actually rapped she wrapped like Buster Rhymes's part I remember her and she wrapped Buster Rhymes's part to look at me now and she went hyperviral

and she ended up on the Ellen show I remember people were talking about the fact that she ended up on the Ellen show because she wrapped it and then she became she was a music person she has she yeah she went to a school of music I was thinking to myself did Ellen have Buster Rhymes on the show to do look at me now

the people who like made the song did she have them on there she doesn't have no no she's viral people that go on right so like it's just it it it's just weird to me sometimes when mimicking black culture seems to be a way to get

on while initiated or inventing black culture is always met with with like care controversy and things of that nature not to say that being a rapper hasn't been good for drinking a little baby because it has been but I'm just I'm floored by

I'll get that people see the video they think the video is cool I'm just I'm floored by how obsessed people are with it and it seems like for for for for brothers to really get into white women white women just got to do the least they just got to do the least hey jiggle one ass cheek you know what I mean like dual crawlers it just seems like sometimes and look this is phenomenal when a white boy starts dancing and he's doing the whole thing or the blue-eyed soul

and all of that we we like oh oh oh hold on you don't see me do it oh oh oh oh oh oh oh wait why are you only go to one side. Why are you only going to one side? Bring it back. This is the only arm that does it. It's the only arm that does it. But when a white boy does that, we get all excited because we feel like it's a white endorsement. And niggas care too much about the white endorsement, man. Yes, they feel like they're down. They feel like, oh, they're down with us. I'm not going to hate on her moment or whatever like that. But like, you know, they're them a police wives. Y'all chill out. They're police wives. I just kept waiting for something else to happen.

I kept waiting for something else to happen in the video when I watched it. And then I was like, so she just set the lyrics? Now, she didn't even freestyle. She didn't like, what are we applauding here? That she knew the lyrics to a song. I don't get it. It's not a cool video.

It's her rapping. Well, now. Not even rapping. She says, her karaoke. She says, which song do you guys want me to do next? She put that up on her thing.

This is her new thing. She karaoke. Feminine. Can we just call it what it is? It was karaoke. It wasn't her voice. It wasn't her words. Well, karaoke is your own voice.

So respect karaoke. Oh, yeah. Sorry, my bad. It is. It is. So it's even worse than that. Rachel. Oh, no.

Donnie, play my song. Animal, animal, animal games. Animal, animal, animal, animal game. Animal, Animal, Animal Game. That's the Animal Games theme song right there. Trudy, it's time for Animal Games. All right. Who put the cow noise in there?

That's all Donnie. That's the Animal Games theme song. All right, Donnie Beach. I'm legitimately crying. It's on you. Take it away whenever you're ready. The first initial animal games, Rachel. Wait, boy, boy.

Way. The race is still fucked up. Let me explain the rules. I thought we were listening to mailbag. So I got six questions total, and I figured we should split the questions up in the two rounds. The first round would be multiple choice. Second round, you'll have 15 seconds to answer. I'll play a song.

When that song ends, those 15 seconds are up. So the first. Wait. Are we all answering the question? The same question? No, no, no, just for each of you. Who wants to go first? I'll go first.

Of course. Okay, cool, cool, cool, cool, cool, cool, cool, cool, cool, cool, cool. The first category of animal games is birds. Okay, so the, uh... The first question comes from Brooke. We got to stop this after this week. Name the bird that we use in our legal eagle sound effect. What is the actual?

actual bird. I'll play the sound real quick for you. Now, the options are a harpy eagle, a bald eagle, a red-tailed hawk, or a bearded vulture. I'm gonna go a harpy eagle. Gonna go harpy eagle. You stand with that answer? Okay. I do. You are wrong. It is a red-tailed hawk.

It's not even an eagle. Fuck! Yes! It's a hawk. noise. Jesus, I had no clue. Okay, so this is good about good. That was tough. It was a hard one. It's not even really, whatever, Donnie. I protest the question, but I love animal games.

I'm so excited. Is it time for anybody else now? Yeah, it's Rachel's turn. Yes. Did you think it started an interview? All right, this question comes from Davy Jones. A group of owls is called a parliament, a colony, a watch or a brood.

Can we phone a friend? No. Hell no. Can you eliminate or can you eliminate to like 50? That would have been good. Okay. I'm going to go with a watch. No, it is a parliament.

Damn, that was my second one. Oh! And I knew it. All right, Trudy. It's on you. Oh, Lord. Okay. From Wendy Simone, what is the most common bird in North America?

Your options are yellow rumped warbler, the dark-eyed junco, a chipping sparrow, or the morning dove? What the fuck? Can you say the first one again? The yellow rumped warbler. I don't even know. it's not pigeons I'm going to go with wait what was the last one

morning dove I'm going to go with the morning dove because that's the only one that I know what it actually is 0 for 3 it's the it's the dark eye Junco they have an estimated population

of 630 million what is that a crow Junco JU and CO A JuN CO junior college like I don't know Okay, so the next round, you guys are going to have 15 seconds to answer the question.

Okay. Can you use help? Dan says no. All right. So we'll start off with Van again. I'm going to play this song after I asked the question. And once the song ends. Okay, cool.

So the question is from Teddy B. Name four flightless birds. Okay. A turkey. An ostrich. A chicken And a penguin Okay

Are turkeys flyers? They can't really flyer Hold on Uh Yeah, okay I'll go with that Oh Animal Animal Animal Games

Animal Animal Games Woo! What on the board, Rach? Where are you at? Is Rachel's... I don't, I... But chicken. Chickens, chickens can fly a little bit.

No, not like that. Not like talking about. Yeah, I think turkeys can fly the same amount as chickens, which is like a, it's like a soft landing, but not actual flying. Oh, Rachel. That's one on the board, Animal Games. It's racial sign. It's racial's turn.

Let's go. I did this wrong. I meant to have this next question for Van because it's harder. I'm sorry, Rachel, this is a tough one. Are you ready for it? Yes. This is from Davis Wallace. Name three of the seven major groups of dinosaurs.

So she's out of here. You get bonus points. Animal games. You get bonus points that you can do more than three. Like, go ahead, Rachel. Let's go. Groups. Groups of dinosaurs, Rachel.

Yeah. Groups. Yeah, groups of dinosaurs. If I name a dinosaur that's in that group, does that count? I think of a fuck, no. No. The question is very clear.

You got to name three groups of dinosaurs. I don't even know. I don't know one group of dinosaurs. Get out of here, I only know the names of dinosaurs. Let me call my nephew. No. Why would we call the nephew?

I just don't a friend. Maybe next week, but right now we're doing animal games. If you can do it quickly, in this case, because it's so dirty. Donnie, what the fuck are you doing? Donnie.

I'm like, Okay. Okay. What the hell? Wait, but, but wait, wait, wait, a carnivore, is that right? No. A carnivorous? Wrong.

Herbivus something. No, those are good guesses, but that's, that's not right. Wrong. Teradactal. Okay, so the seven groups, you could have said one of these three, pheropods, sauropods, stegosaurus, and kilosaur's. Yeah. Ornithopods.

I could have named Stegis. They're atopsians. Yeah. Or Pachycephalosaurus. By the way, I'm going to be honest with you. Rachel misses that. This is advanced. I don't think that,

I think that that question is too advanced for animal games just to let you know. I'll be honest with you guys. Okay. I think that question is. I should have said I don't believe in dinosaurs and so I don't have to answer. You're a Christian, so. I actually do believe the dinosaurs. Well, you're not supposed to.

6,000 years old. All right. Trudy's turn. All right. All right, last question. This is coming from Noel. Trudy. Name as many birds as you can that are capable of hovering. Of hovering? Just flying count? I'm going to just name her. A pigeon. A puffin. A dove, a hummingbird. Terrible.

She named it every bird she knows. A falcon, a hop. Okay, you're good. So that was a trick question and you still got it right. There's only one bird that can. And it's a hummingbird. All right. Okay. So now we have to, now do we do, what do we do? Do we add up the animal games points? Well, I'm out.

Or we add up the points, right? It's one to one this week. Me and Trudy tied. Yeah. One to one. One to one. Me and Trudy tied in inaugural animal games. I got to be honest with you.

This is invigorating. This is the most fun animal games is. Rachel, you got to bring more enthusiasm to animal games. Like, and I'm telling you guys right now. Y'all shouldn't have started with birds. You know how I feel about birds. I feel like this was cruel. The odds were already against me.

And I know, I need a different category. By the way, I'm going to be honest with you guys. For next week's animal games, we need sixth grade animal questions. Like, nigger, I look like John Hammond to you. Like, talking about some drastic dinosaurs. Like, what are you like, what are you talking about? Like, we need sixth grade. Animal questions.

All right. Animal games number one. Trudy, I got a point on the board. Trudy's got a point on the board. We'll revisit this at the end of the month. Donnie is the best host in the world. Give it up for your host, Donnie Beachman Jr. Yeah, Donnie.

Fantastic. Bows. Bows. For next week's category, I say we do marine life. So Thought Warriors. Marine life. Give me marine life questions. All right.

Let's go to mailback. Mailback time. Time to read your letters. And then we'll reply to things. Oh, it's mailback time. Write us with your queries and we'll chime in. From Bird now on Reddit. Rachel, how would Van fare as the Bachelor?

And Van, how would Rachel do at TMZ? Rachel's Rachel would be a fantastic addition to TMZ but she would be out at TMZ within probably about four weeks because Why? You're just not going

You're not going to take the shit You're not you're not Rachel Like I'm more of a I use honey a little bit more Rachel's in there Rachel's Rachel's Straight vinegar

Rachel's Rachel's getting busy. Look, I mean, I took shit at TMZ that Rachel would never take. I'm going to be honest with you. And it wasn't that they were doing it to me. They were just doing it. Like, Rachel would have soup kitchen Harvey.

So Harvey made the soup kitchen. You know what I mean? But if, but if, but if, if that didn't happen, if they didn't piss her off, she'd be fantastic. She'd be fantastic anywhere. Um, thank you. I think you'd be a terrible bachelor.

I think I probably would too. And I think, but I say that in a loving way, right? Just I dealt with things that I don't think you would deal with. And I think they would cut your, and I think they would, you would cut, your season would get cut short. I don't think there's any way you'd last 10 weeks. I think you'd be like, nope, her, that's who I want. I'm not even about, you'd be clear. You'd be clear.

Did you see that they're doing the Chippendale movies coming out? No, I did not see this. It's a Chippendale live action movie coming out. Oh, that's amazing. They got to get together and go to the Chippendale live action movie. That's amazing. Yeah, no, maybe you'd be okay because you would be clear. You'd say, I knew it, you find the one, you wouldn't play any games, you wouldn't do the dates.

You would, the dinner time dates, you're not supposed to eat the food. You'd be like, bring me a hot meal. I want to eat, I want to drink, I want to get to know this person, I want to do my kind of date. Yeah, like you would go off script. Yeah. Good question, by the way. It won't. All right.

Let's go, Donnie. Next one. The lady from NYC on IG asks, what unsolicited advice would you give each other? Good question. Unsolicited advice? Yeah. Unsolicited advice that we give each other. I don't know.

I don't know either. That's a tough question. That's a good question, but that's a tough question. That's a tough one. I'd say, you know, maybe, you know, just like basically just watch your back, nigga. You know what I'm saying? Just on some real shit, my G, just watch your back, nigga. Don't, don't.

Get out of here with that. I'm fine. Just watch now. Watch your back, nigga. Niggas come to the motherfucking situation. You know what I'm saying? Watch your back, my gee. Stay up.

You know what I'm saying? Do your thing, man. It's tough on these streets. Donnie, what's the next question? All right. Next one is from Austin BirdQuest. What's the most random small world? connection you have ever had.

Oh. I got one. So some years ago, I am talking to my friend Cameron Fife about doing this show. And Cameron Fife introduces me to all these people. One of the guys

is a videographer from Dallas. And when I was looking to shoot content, This is years ago. This is like 2015. When I was looking to shoot content for actively black this year, I said, hey, who can shoot content with me? And this guy's name, Shaheen, he goes, I'll do it. And then Rachel goes, yeah, you should have him do it.

And I'm like, okay, well, I know this guy. Yeah, I forgot that you do this. We do this. We work together. So me and him go to Sammy's camera to get the stuff to shoot the stuff. from while we're going there, we're talking. He goes, yeah. I know Rachel, I dated Rachel in high school.

I'm like, what? It's like, yeah, she writes about me in the book. I dated the guy as the half-person guy or whatever. That's me. I met this dude in L.A. Like literally five, six years ago. It might have been longer. That might have been, what, 2015 or something.

I met him just on a random situation with my boy Cameron, and that guy was Rachel's high school. school boyfriend, he told me that she was the first person that he really ever, he said they spent a lot of time exploring each other's bodies and getting to know each other under the stars. Yeah, this is this part not true. And if you read the book, you'll know that. It's quite the opposite actually. Right.

But yeah, that is the most random. And seriously, in life, that's the most random small world encounter I've ever had. That's a good one and I'm just going to stick with that one. It's such a small world, but I think that people don't think, because again, people met me on the Bachelor or Bachelorette. So I think it's even when you're like, oh, wait, you know Rachel from a different time before and oh, how do you know this person, of all people, this person? It's like you get a sneak peek into my world pre-batchelor.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's a good one. I want that one too. I'm taking that story. All right, what else we got? Last one. All right. Here for the right reasons on Reddit, ask who is someone you used to look up to but has since

disappointed you? Ben Carson. Oh, I just said it. Sage. Yeah. Ben Carson. Easy. Understood. Read Ben Carson's book when I was a kid.

Ben Carson is still one of the greatest surgeons in the history of neurosurgeons. But I just, Ben Carson for sure, just with the way. You didn't have to explain it. Who would have known that that's what he would become? Life is funny. My goodness. I wear gifted hands when I was in middle school. And all of that stuff is still true about him, but God damn.

People out here. I'm sure some people would say Herschel Walker. Hirsch, Hirsch. All right, that's enough of mailbag. Rachel, do you have, thank you, Donnie. Thank you, Trudy for mailback, even though you didn't do anything, Trudy. Rachel, do you have an unexpected ally of the week? No.

Yeah, neither do I. I don't. I think that when we don't have an unexpected ally of the week just because there wasn't one, it's hard to find, or because we're just not in the mood simply by what's happening this week, we just need to uplift somebody in the community or like have like a, just just not even an unexpected ally, just somebody we're just like who's doing good, just who's doing something. That's what we should do. We got to bring something else to the segment. Englewood Barbie is the person then out there in Chicago. Go out there and support her. I already talked about Pastor Brooks. She's feeding homeless people.

She's giving kids shelter. Englewood Barbie would be my ally there. But there are a lot of people out there. You know what I mean? There's a lot of people out there doing the work. Just tapping with people doing your work in your communities, man. All right. Rachel, that's enough.

That's enough. Take your thing caps off, but do not stop learning. I am Van Lathen, Jr. And I'm Rachel in Lund. See. Bye guys. Take us out on Animal Games music. Yeah. Animal, Animal, Animal Game, Animal, Animal Games. Animal, Animal, Animal Games. Animal, Animal, Animal games.

That's the Animal Games theme song right there.