Higher Learning with Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay - Republican Debate Recap and the Cancellation of Cancel Culture

Episode Date: August 25, 2023

Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay react to the GOP’s first primary debate and the lack of Trump (17:58), before discussing the death of Wagner chief Yevgeny Prigozhin (45:53). Plus, Jennifer Aniston sparks a conversation around cancel culture (58:11), and an argument over the status of the Cowboys as "America’s Team" (1:08:39). Hosts: Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay Producers: Donnie Beacham Jr. and Ashleigh Smith Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Yo, yo, yo, thought warriors. What is up? Higher learning is on. It is I, Van Lathan Jr. And it's me, Rachel and Lindsay. Rachel, what's up? How you doing? OVO.

Did you go see Drake last night? I saw Drake Monday. Oh, you saw Drake again? You're a double draker? Did you see Drake last night? No. Oh, yeah, you're not even in town. Yeah, I'm not even here.

Like, you're a two Drake special? If someone wants to take me to the concert, I'm not going to pass up on a good time. You know why I really went though? You know what I really went? I left the last concert early, right? Because I had to be at work the next day. I was doing the view the next day.

So I missed 21 Savage. So I really wanted to see 21. And I really wanted to see sexy red. Oh. Donnie. Donnie, give me a little something real quick, Donnie. I'm talking about right there. Sexy Red.

Ashley is not into it. Ashley says thumb down. Ashley, jump on. That was Sukiana. Uh-uh. That was Sukiana and sexy Red. Actually, you're not fucking with that? Not this morning.

No. You know why I like sexy red. She is unapologetically herself. And I can't be. mad at that. They showed her doing her sound check. She was in a moomoo with her hair wrapped up. Like the gals, your mother, your grandmother used to wear around the house when they were cooking in the morning, well into the afternoon, especially if they were preparing a whole

full out meal. I love that she's just like, this is me. Take it or leave it. Yeah, but that's an act, right? Like coming to the sound check and the moo-moo, that's part of it. If it is, I have to feel like it's her She was wearing She had no shoes on To her before But that's

But that's part of her It's like when a nigger would come to the To the joint in a bulletproof vest And people will be like Oh he's so real He's got a bulletproof vest on I'm like a bulletproof vest is part of the costume It's like now

But I also feel like Hill's probably hurt her feet And she's like I do better of barefoot Like I really do I'm buying into all of that Right I'm buying into her doing a bit with Funny Marco

and then her outfit, the bottom of her shorts said, Free My Baby Daddy. Like, I'm buying into all of it. I'm enjoying watching sexy red. I really am. Do your thing. So you're loosening up. I was never proved. Mm-hmm.

I remember. We remember the things that have been said on this podcast. If that's, if that is her, great. She's like, do your thing. Um, I, like, I, I, I'm not, Huge fan of singing coochie pink and booty hole brown, but I like,

I like sexy red. Donnie, let's do this. Let's clip that one part. Take out, I'm a fan and just put, I want a, I want a clip of just Rachel San. Don't do that. Don't do that.

Don't do that. Donnie. I don't want to clip. I can do. What you guys don't understand is, I can do it myself. It's going viral. You know what I mean?

What's the, no, I don't want. It's funny. Van, please don't do that. I don't, like, it's out of context. Don't do that. It's funny. I'll tell you what this is what I'll tell. You're real stepping into your TMZ days.

Don't do that. Never left. For, you guys. Don't do that, though. You guys, I won't. But I only sent it to the judge. Um, oh, speaking of

wholesomeness, I would like to give, a shout out to Charity Lawson. And she chose Nate Burleson on her season of The Bachelor. Does not look like Nate Burleson to me. And they're now getting married. And it was what people were calling,

and I wonder how you feel about this, Rachel. It's what people were calling Black love on the Bachelorette and everybody was going crazy Black love, black love, black love Okay What are your thoughts on this?

What are your thoughts on charity Who seems to be a lovely lady? I'm happy for charity. Everybody knows they didn't watch the season. I ran into charity this past weekend told her that I like I always support you. I'm not going to support you on camera, right?

They asked me to come to the men tell all. I'm not coming. They asked me to come to. They asked me to do like a message for her so they could play it on camera. I'm not doing that. You're not using my name, image, and likeness as a person who's been critical of the show to make it seem like now I'm supportive of it. But I support charity.

So like I told her congrats, how happy I was for her, that I'm here for her. I sent her a message the day of her finale. I texted her, letting her know that I support her. I'm happy for her. I know you would love to get a reaction about me. about black love. Yes, black love is defined as between two black people. So that's why everyone is saying that even though I'm black and I have love. That's fine. It's the first time that you, well, actually, a lot of people were up in arms about this. I actually saw it both ways.

People were happy saying charity is the first time black loves been on the show. There were also people critical because they were like Nate and Michelle, I didn't, as black and found love, even though they're both biracial, which plays into our topic of last week. So if I were Michelle, I wonder how she, that's the person to ask. People are discrediting your relationship

and saying this, even though you and Nate identify as black, your people are telling you that y'all didn't have black love. This is the first time because these are darker, complex of black people. And it's the first time like, Jesse Wu,

I got tagged in a post, Jesse Wu was on Dish Nation. She was talking and she was like saying how emotional she was watching The Bachelorette because this is the first time she's seen a dark-skinned woman on the show, find love. And a lot of people were like, she's like, this is the first. I felt, I saw someone who looked like me and people were upset and they were like, you're discrediting Rachel.

So I kept getting tagged in it. I understood exactly what she was talking about. She was like, Rachel doesn't look like me. And she's like, this. I saw someone. who made me feel who has the same complexion as me. So I know you would love for me to have some hot take about how it makes me feel.

I'm happy for charity. I'm happy for charity. I'm happy for people like Jesse Wu who felt seen. That's the point of it all. It's the point of it. Congratulations to to charity. People want to feel seen.

People want to feel represented. I think people want to feel seen and they want to feel represented. But I think the point of it all is commerce, right? selling a show to America, selling a certain vision of love to America, like a pre-packaged type of deal. Look, I have no problem with it.

I worked at TMZ. The point of TMZ is not the news. It's entertainment, right? It's like, it's. Yeah, it's entertainment. It's entertainment. So it's like, you know, so I think a lot of people glean a lot of different things from it,

and I think it's very cool. I think that all of these things are black love. I think it's black love when you found Brian. You're a black woman. You need love. it's black love. I think it's black love when Michelle and

Nate. Who was Nate? Nate found love. I think it's black love. I do, I will say this and this kind of goes back to the conversation that we had with Mark. Which I expected

to be a very hot topic. Right? And it was. It was. It was. I expected it to be a very hot topic. Look, I remember when Obama was elected. I'm going to go back to King Toxic.

Yeah, I was in there crying, you know, I was at the house crying. I called King Toxic. RIP Van Lathen's in your dear old dad. You can always count on him. Last half empty Lathen. Okay. I remember, dad goes, son, this is an amazing moment.

This is a fantastic moment. I want you to remember where you were and remember how things were when America made this decision. And he said, I'll tell you what's going to be an even more powerful moment. When some nigger named Larry Jenkins Jr., whose ancestors were slaves, who looks like you or I, who is from Los Angeles, Detroit, New York, Atlanta, Tallahassee, or someplace like that, when he gets elected president. And I'm like, so mad.

I'm like, why do you have to be this guy all the time? Why do you have to be this dude? A black man with a black family just got elected president. And he says, I tell you what? It's like steps on a train. I'm like, what? He's like, it's like steps on a train. There's the front of the train car where there's white people.

Then there's the middle of the train car where they might let some poor white people. And there's the end of the middle of the train car where they might put some Creole and white passing people. And then there's the back of the train car where the black people are going to be. He was like, America's no different than that. And the last thing they want to do is see themselves represented by somebody from the back of the car. They'll do anything except that. And so, and so for me, and so, that's what I'm saying. And so for me, I'm very pissed in this moment.

I got to be honest with you. I see what he means. I get it. And so when we talk about, when we, when we, when we talk about like, proximity. to whiteness, and when we talk about what it means to identify as black, all this stuff, we're really just talking about our trauma and how we feel. So if anybody thought that the conversation last week centered us over people that are biracial, you're right.

And I fully own it. I own it. I don't know. Rachel did her best to do what she always does, which is be the voice of reason. I want people to choose me. I want America to choose to celebrate and uphold blackness. I want America to say, no, you don't have to be a little bit white to be okay. And I'm not talking about specifically biracial people.

I'm just talking about it in all things. You don't have to do this to be okay. You can be black and powerful and in this spot and be celebrated and be good. you don't have to be a quarter of this. I have this. If you are, that is your story, and I celebrate that. But when we talk about whether or not you're black or not, it's something that we don't want people,

or at least I can speak for myself, you want people to choose blackness. And I think that's kind of the thing. And that's not fair to people who are biracial because they get the entire lives being told who they are, what they should be, and how they should act. and what country is not theirs?

What was your takeaways from last week's explosive episode with Markle-Mahill? I understand everything that you're saying, and I understood exactly where you and Mark were coming from and your perspective as a black woman. I, but what in the same sense that when we talk about other groups that we don't identify with, I say I don't know what it's like to navigate the world. world as them. I was very particular about the way I'm talking about the situation is people who

refuse to identify as black, which is where I think the way that you're talking about it and Mark talks about it is important. There was a distinction that was made about you're never telling people, no, I'm not white. I'm biracial. It's no, I'm not black. I'm biracial. And it makes it feel like you don't, you so desperately don't want to be affiliated with black and that's hurtful, especially when that's how you look. But back to my original point, I do feel like it was important for me to say, and I do believe this.

If you say you feel both, then I'm going to acknowledge that because I don't know what it's like to grow up with a white mother or white father or navigate a world where you feel a certain, you identify as black and people want to tell you, black people tell you you're not black enough

and white people tell you you're not white enough. I don't know what that's like. So I wanted to leave space and acknowledge, like, if you tell me you feel both, then you feel both. But I do have an issue when you absolutely don't want to be black. That's my only thing. But I obviously understood the other perspective. But we thank Mark Lamont Hill, who was a great hang, and we heard all of our listeners. We will never ignore the thought warriors.

Okay. Oh, before we move on, any, what did you think about my new slogan? I fuck a nigga or a bitch. Tell you something. When I asked some people about this, they were like, you told the story wrong. Yeah, you did tell the story wrong. You weren't even there.

You were at Fuel City, standing on top of the counter waiting for a ta-ta-ta-ta-tac-a-tac-tac-a-tac-tac-a-cac-court. You know what I mean? Like, you know, you weren't there. Not a cat-man. Hey, hey, it's big rage. Hey, nigga. Want to be a baller.

Shot caller, 20-inch blades on an impot. Call her. I can't. Big Rush. Yeah. That's not what we were singing. We were singing Southside the realest.

Drug. Hey. Hey. Hey. Hey. Hey, guys. I took 10,000 cash out of daddy's account. Boom.

This one's on the judge. I love you, too. Rach. I'll tell you what. There is nothing, nothing more. fun. See, right? Can I say something about Rach? Rache, can I say something about you? Okay, go ahead. Be honest with you. Rach, Rach, you chose black, man. I am black. What are?

Black? It's like, I didn't have this. I know that you are black. I'm not saying that you're not black. I'm just saying. You didn't have to be a fuel city. No, I could have been at First Baptist. Your daddy's the judge, man. You could have been, you see all of these sorority videos. from like in, Fy N, not a nigger. In, like, ins.

That reminded me of Moo, fie, moo. Milk, milk. He's from the street. His from the street. Oh, I loved him. Move five. Where is he?

That's my man. Al is one of the, Al's shit. Oh, my God. him. Al is one of the most talented people you will ever meet. I love him.

Shout to Al. Al is one of the most talented. Moo five, milk it, milk it, milk. All right. Yes, I've seen the bite to finish your thoughts. Sorry, I don't remember to you. Yes, I've seen these rush videos with these all white sororities dance in the black music.

Dancing of black music. Not a nigger. N-A-N sorority. And if they do, they do, and we know that there's not one because when they do have one, they put them front and center. Come here.

Hey. Remember when you thought that I pledged one of those? I did. Remember how shocked you were? I found out I was a Delta. That's not rage. That's not big rach. I'll tell you what is big rach

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including important safety information. Rach, did you watch the debate? I did watch the debate. I did watch it. Your takeaways. It wasn't as explosive as I wanted it to be. This is why, listen, you know, Van loves to say that I love Trump in the same way that he loves Vivek.

But it would have been way more entertaining if Trump was there. And I guess I just wanted, I wanted that fire. I want people to interrupt people. I know you're supposed to be listening to their points, but I want to be entertained at the same time. And I wasn't quite getting that. Shockers for me? Pence.

I was shocked by Pence. Pence always to me is very meek and mild presenting. He was getting in there. He was feisty. Some people were calling him angry and defensive. I appreciated he was quick with him. it. He was coming at Vivek. And that was a thing, too, that I noticed everybody seemed to be on Vivek, who obviously doesn't have the experience in this space and not DeSantis, which I thought

was very telling as well. DeSantis is right behind Trump. I don't know after this debate. I read that he and Vivek are neck and neck after the debate. I don't know how true that is. But yeah, he's, as Brett pointed out, 30 to 40 points behind Trump. But I expected DeSantis to stand out more and I expected people to go at him. And they didn't. It seemed to be the Vivek Show who seemed to be thoroughly enjoying himself being front and center on stage. He had the center position right next to DeSantis. He was having the time of his life.

One point that made me cackle was that song. what was it Northman of Richmond? The Northman of Richmond, yeah. I'm sorry. Had to not heard that song. I couldn't believe that they started off the debate playing that. Chris Christie was who I thought would be a standout. A little disappointed in Christy.

I thought Haley had, she had some moments. And I want to preface all this to say. I don't agree with these people. Let me just say that. I'm more talking about who had standout moments. who surprised me, who was a bus, Tim Scott.

He loves to play the nice, likable guy. Yeah, like that's, I mean, that's my overall, I guess. It's the overall view. So a couple of takeaways big and small. It was a spirited debate,

obviously, and that's because the debate, it was spirited. The debate to me, was akin to what happens when your parents leave the house, right? So your parents leave the house and then the kids start fighting over the Nintendo. As long as your dad's there, your mom's there, they dictate whose turn it is to play the Nintendo. It's like, hey, you play the Nintendo and your brother plays Nintendo, your sister plays Nintendo. Okay?

And then when you guys aren't playing, the other one of you going there and clean that goddamn room up. Right? Clean the goddamn room up. Come in there and play the Nintendo. whole thing. When your parents leave, the authority of the home is in question. So everybody fights for it, but they don't fight for it in any real

nourishing way. They fight for it like children fight for it. Which is they kind of try to grab the controller from one another. One person cries. The other person says, all you do is suck up to mom and daddy when they're here. Another person that's quiet tries to act strong and be physically taken from people. And so no one gets to play the game because all they do is fight for the game the whole day. All you do is fight for the game.

Nobody actually gets to play. No one gets the experience. Everybody's fighting for the game. That's what I said. Everybody's fighting over the Nintendo controller. Nobody actually got to play. And it's almost to a situation to where eventually like you

you all decide that actually playing the game is too much you would rather just no one get a turn rather than actually have a conversation about how you do it so this is what I'm saying I'm saying if you're looking at the Republican Party right and you're looking for answers

from the Republican Party I mean I'm not talking about I'm not saying that this is specific to the Republican Party but if you're looking for answers to questions they showed you last night, they're incapable of answering those questions. They are or aren't? They're incapable. Incapable, sorry, yes.

So with Donald Trump being gone, you would think that that would be an opportunity for the field to have a substantive convo and present a vision for America to not just Republicans, but anybody outside of their primary base that might be considering a vote for one of those people. It just didn't happen. It didn't. It wasn't a serious discussion in any real way. They would literally ask, what do you think about UFOs and the situation that'd be out there?

Okay. Now, let me tell you how Joe Biden is in bed with China and how that relates to the UFO issue. I didn't hear a vision. I didn't hear anything. What I saw was people that were trying to hold their nuts and other people that were trying to kick them. They were trying to have moments.

Yeah. And I'm not saying that that's like so far out of a step with what a debate normally is. But I will say that the right keeps squandering the opportunity to prove that they're something other, that they're leaders or something other than people cosplay as Donald Trump. Sorry.

No, go ahead. Well, I was going to say, do you think that that was hard for them? Maybe do you think that they intended to do that, but it became so hard because the Trump was, I mean, the crowd was clearly pro-Trump. Anytime somebody said something negative against Trump, there were huge booze to the point where they even had to address the crowd about the booze. Anytime there was something that was pro-Trump, they went wild. A lot of people said Vivek was acting as a stand-in for Trump.

He was just, he was Trump because Trump wasn't there. He was saying the things that Trump would say. What do you think about that? Do you think that the audience played into it where it was, it was, as a viewer, it felt pointless because it was like this audience is clearly pro-Trump. Like this almost just seems, it proved his point to not even show up because it wasn't necessary. And that was a little tough to watch. because the crowd wasn't even giving them the opportunity.

So here's the thing. Sure they pro-Trump. But are you running to be the president of the debate crowd? Are you running to win claps and applause? I mean, at some point, I mean, obviously there is, but this is why the moments that I was impressed. by people had to do when people actually have principles and they stuck to them. Like, look, we do, like, we do a part.

I am not like the majority of the listeners that listen to higher learning. I can tell. Like, even the ones that aren't, like, acting in bad faith. I'm not like these people. I'm not like a lot of the people. I'm from a place where I've dealt with a lot of things, seen a lot of things, and a lot of stuff doesn't bother me. I like to discuss it, get it out there, move on.

I'm not precious about it. And like when you are a person that is going to stand in your skin, that takes a, I wouldn't say courage, but it takes a commitment to what it is that you believe in. You think that you're doing your best. And if you just panamomim and put things out there and you're a populist in not just politics but in thoughts, that demonstrates weakness to me. And what I saw was a field that was weak. A lot of people who don't have any. identity who don't seem inspired. Even Vivek Ramoswamy, who is by far the most magnetic order of the group, when he was up

against other people that were pushing back on him, like in that type of arena, at times he looked small. He looked petulant. He looked petty. He didn't look like he had a vision. He looked like he did a Google search, looked at all of the things that Republican voted would want and then just became that. Absolutely.

You know what I mean? And he's afforded that luxury because he doesn't have any political skin in the game in terms of a voting record or a record of service. So because of that, he can say things and float them out as being a revolutionary. Defend them in a pseudo intellectual way that sometimes skirts or doesn't even approach or contend with the actual reality

of American domestic or foreign policy it's easy to say hey back off Putin and that'll bring Putin back to the U.S. in terms of being allied. They'll bring him back to us and it'll put some distance between him and China. I just would want anybody

to ask one question is give me a historical example of a traditional strongman type who was grabbing up land invading people with no cause. I'm talking about your Saddam Hussein's, talking about your Hitler's, I'm talking about whomever you might use.

Give me an example where appeasement has ever worked. Like ever worked. Like every work you sound like Neville Chamberlain when you're up there talking But give me an example of appeasement has ever worked And you know rather than have that conversation Conversation will get back to you know What your experience is just give me tell me one time we're appeasing a strong man Somebody who walks all over over the people in other parts of the world

Where they've stopped once we've given them what they want it It's just not in the makeup of these people But it's something that he can say Because the narrative that's being spun by Trump world is that what we're doing in Ukraine doesn't benefit us and Vladimir Putin doesn't need to be dealt with or contended with. Now, look, we can have a conversation in good faith about how much we owe the Ukrainians in terms of their defense and what we owe to our citizens here at home. That's fine. But acting as if we give Vladimir Putin what he wants that he'll suddenly

become our friends to me is pretty stupid. Well, and that's why I thought one of the most powerful points of moments in the whole debate was that back and forth between Vivek and Haley, Nikki Haley. When she called him out, she spoke to her experience, Pence did it as well, but spoke to their experience and pointed out the fact that he has no idea what he's talking about and it doesn't make any sense. And I thought that was one of the most powerful point moments in the debate. And he had nothing for her.

There was nothing he said. Yeah. Yeah. And Ramoswamy is also like a neophyte, right? He goes like, I'll pardon Trump day one. That's what the audience wants to hear. Mike Pitts kind of ate his lunch because Mike Pence then goes, oh, how do I know if I'm going to pardon him?

Like, the trial hasn't happened. He doesn't know if he's going to be found guilty yet. Yeah, he doesn't know if he's going to be found guilty yet. But look, when he says he doesn't know whether or not he's going to be found guilty yet, that means, number one, I can't say that I'm going to pardon him because I don't know if he's going to be found guilty. And then number two, we don't know what's going to be found guilty. going to be discovered at trial.

We don't know how this is going to go. So the say that you're going to pardon somebody no matter what, prior to all of this stuff, is pretty cartoonish. It's definitely something that you're just saying for the people. And it doesn't demonstrate a political spine at all. Now, we moved to DeSantis because DeSantis was somebody who everybody had their eye on in a debate.

I really feel like DeSantis is a T-1000 Terminator. Yeah. He is not comfortable in his own skin. Is that like a real human being? So like Desantis' policy points and what he wants to talk about are so lacking. He is the most charisma-less human being I think I've ever seen. I can't think of anybody that I'm like, God damn,

that nigga got gears and, and artificial fluid inside of his body as my, I don't see how America ever elects Ron DeSantis as president and Florida. God damn. You're, Florida, y'all wiling down there, bro. You know, I know.

Joy Reid had a really good comment. I'm going to butcher it. But she said there are people who you know, voted for DeSantis or believed he can win the president. And she goes, and then there are people that met him. And basically saying exactly what you're saying, there is something off weird.

And the more we're exposed to DeSantis, the more that we're like, what is wrong with him? Even the things that he was saying, people were like, he said all of this before. If he followed DeSantis and he watches speeches, he's literally quoting the same lines. His funny moments have already been used in other speeches. is. He truly is just a machine saying whatever he practiced in his debate prep is exactly what he was saying on stage. He wasn't responding to anything directly. He wasn't quick on his feet. He just is so awkward. I will say this, though, in the grand scheme of things, the fact that he didn't crash and burn in a more spectacular way is probably a win for him. I don't think very many people were expecting. a lot from Ron DeSantis. I think there's some talk about what his donors might be doing and how they are going to

react to or how they were going to react to a poor showing in the debates. I don't think that anybody's jumping off the Ron DeSantis train that was actually pretty firmly on it. But the fact that this wasn't the end of his campaign is probably somewhat going to help him. It seemed like the... I think it was. I think it didn't do anything for him.

I actually think it made. I was reading stuff that it, maybe not a crash and burn, but it was definitely a crash. There was a lot of hype around the fact that DeSantis was going to be the guy that people were going to go after and that it was his, I think it was even coming from his campaign, that he was going to bring it at the debate.

And he didn't. He was not memorable. what came out was some talking points that one of his super PACs put up and it was what they feel like he should have done in debate and one of them was to hammer Vivik Ramoswami which he didn't really do there wasn't really a lot of cross talk between him and Vivik was actually between Vivek and Mike Pence and a little bit between Vivek and Chris Christie DeSantis seemed to lean on his record

as governor of Florida he made a couple of very concerted political decisions. One was to not raise his hand when it comes to climate change. That's a precarious situation for him to be in. They asked if you think climate change is manmade, which would then lend itself to the idea that we should prioritize legislation and different policy to address climate change as an existential threat, not just to America but to the world, particularly in different parts of the mainland here where climate change is impacting people. people's lives on a daily basis, Florida being one of those places. It didn't seem like that was something that he felt comfortable raising his hand on that might come back to bottom him in his ass in either his state or perhaps in a general election. The person that was most gleefully raising their hand before they blamed India or China

or whatever or the boogeyman and like just completely shirked America's responsibility to lead the world as far as climate legislation and activism was vivid. Swami who put his hand up. It's a hoax. It doesn't, but doesn't believe in it at all. Once again, a very easy, a very easy position to take for somebody who hadn't even voted in the last election. So, you know, he just does have a lot of skin in the game so he can say whatever he wants. I think Tim Scott learned a lesson last night. And just the, the Republicans are not going to vote for a magical Negro. you're not going to magical Negro your way into the presidency from that side of things. They're not going to go for that. There have been various magical Negroes

that have attempted to be that for the Republican Party. You know, the legend of Bagger Vance type nigger who tells America, hey, just a little bit to the left and it'll curve back for you. And that Morgan Freeman from, fucking million dollar baby or whoever, you know, that that guy, that the Republicans are going to turn America over to that guy, it's not going to happen.

So Tim Scott wants to be the president of the United States. If he wants the nomination from that party, he's going to have to take it. And then he's not going to take it by standing up there and being a toothless colored man. He's going to have to dig down. Yeah, he's going to have to dig down deep, deep, deep, and really act like he has. some sort of spine or backbone, but he looked pathetic up there. Yeah, he was up there tap dancing, trying to make people laugh. He also felt like, for someone who does have political experience,

he felt like he Googled what are the talking points and what do I need to say. And that was even summed up in how when he had his last 45 seconds to talk about what his vision was and to sum up what he would do as the president. He literally went down the checklist and then once again, tap dance and tried to me. make them laugh. I do want to say this about Ron DeSantis when you talked about handraising. The big moment when they talked about who would support Trump if he is the one that is elected to represent the party. When's the primary? Vivek threw his hand up immediately. Nikki Haley did,

Tim Scott did, and Ron DeSantis looked from left to right to see who had their hand up before he even raised his hand. Another moment of not standing firm, step up. out showing that he's a leader, asserting authority. He waited to see what everybody else was doing before he did it himself. It was a moment that was really talked about. That moment

was interesting because I think the exact question was, would you still nominate Trump if he was convicted of a crime? I don't think that was the question. There was the pardon one. It wasn't if he was nominated, because they specifically asked about the pardons and the crimes,

But I think this was, I thought, I thought they said, and Donnie Ashley, please step in if you know, I thought they were saying he's obviously not here. You know, and one of the things to stand on the stage was that you had to say you would support the nominee of the Republican Party, whoever is chosen. And he wouldn't do that. And it's like, would you support him? That's what I thought the question was. And DeSantis looked around because he's already said he would pardon him and support him. looked around before he said he would raise before he uh to see what everybody else was doing that's desantis a person who sees what everybody else is doing what's popular before he steps out and makes

his own decision yeah he doesn't have very much of an identity he is trying at this point to convince people that he is who they thought he was he's taking on a lot of battles and he's lost these battles, he's probably going to lose the battle with the two elected prosecutors, duly elected. Remember, this is the party of the Constitution. This is the party of the Constitution, the party of, of, of states' rights. And he is ignoring a free and fair election in his own state. They are subverting the Constitution for their own strong man, lending themselves to fascism every single day. And so, you know, that's probably not going to hold up when it gets through to the courts.

So he is attempting to prove to people that his war on woke, which is an abject failure nationally, and has caused a mini revolt from many of his own supporters in Florida. I think he's a weakened candidate from his presidential race in his own state. I'd be interested to see what the polling on Ron DeSantis is. and how he's going to win back a lot of Florida when he's obviously become a huge, huge negative for the state in terms of not only perception, but also economics

by alienating one of the biggest employers in the entire state. So, you know, he doesn't seem to have very much going on. Last thing I'll say about the debate before you get to Trump is Asa Hutchinson. Asa Hutchinson is terrifying looking. He's terrifying. That's your last point. like Asa Hutchinson

and Donnie I want you to put a picture up of Asa Hutchison looking like a fucking vampire from true blood I was legitimately scared I was shooting Ben on Black all day long I had to watch the debate

like late late it's dark I'm looking at Ata Hutchinson and I'm like yo this is nightmare fuel I don't know how they made him up. I don't know what the fuck was going on. But this motherfucker is I want to suck your blood. Donnie, did you see the debate?

Did you see Asa Hutchinson? He looked terrifying, bro. He didn't look scary to me. But if we're talking about looks, Doug Bergam, the other guy, he was hilarious. Yeah, it was funny because I remember somebody was repeating super pack puppets,

super packed puppets. And then we cut to Doug Bergam and he answered a question and I'm like, this man looks like an actual Muppet and it's especially because of his eyebrows.

It was the eyes. It was all in the eyes. You're right, Donnie. It was, and then like, he didn't have the charisma that the other people had. So it was like, I was like, is he reading a telepropter?

Is he, he was just so different from the rest. And him saying he's from a town of 300 people and represents the state of North Dakota did not help. You're right, Donnie. He was the one.

A is like an old white man to me. There was one shot where people were actually like, like laughing because he was standing there and he's kind of his list or whatever. And people, and it was on, he's funny looking. He's hilarious to me. The guy from South Dakota. He's funny.

North Dakota, Doug. North Dakota. He's funny guy. He's funny guy. Oh, Dougie Doug. All right. Trump was on with Tucker Carlson last night. Did you watch it?

No. didn't see one second of it. My Twitter is broken. It won't work. And so I didn't get a chance to see it. I don't fucking care. There's really not a lot that Donald Trump can offer right now. Exactly.

I think the main thing was him trying to steal the thunder of the debates. And I'm not quite certain that he was able to do that. They got, I think, around 80 million views. But I don't know if, I mean, that's a shit ton of people watching your shit, without a doubt. It's a shit ton of people watching your shit. I'm sure when they watched it. Watch it a little bit after. Sure.

But I do think the talk of the night last night was the debates. So if Trump's goal was to cut their legs off, I don't think it worked. What about you, Rachel? I had to search for it. It wasn't popping up. I mean, the debate was number one. DeSantis was trending. Nickahy, that's what people seem to be talking about.

And I think to your point, people might have gone back and watched this later. I didn't want to give it the views, not like my one view didn't matter when 80 million people apparently watched it or at least press play at one point. But I just felt like it was a waste of my time because we were going to get the same rhetoric we always get from Trump. And to me, it's hard to watch Trump and Tucker when Tucker's emails and text messages have come out and we know how he truly feels about Trump. So just this whole display of trying to, Tucker trying to get, you know, views and race. and he's not on Fox News and Trump trying to disrupt the debate because he chose not to go to it. I just, to me, it didn't serve any purpose for me. I didn't feel like I was going to get anything that I needed, one to either talk about here today

or that I needed to know in preparation for this upcoming election. It was just a way for Trump and Tucker to get people to watch them because they're so self-absorbed. And then when I read the. recap, I was like, exactly. Exactly. Tucker Carlson is the Chris Paul of interviewing. He gives you more assist than anybody.

Okay. I was like, what? I was like, what? Gotcha. He's not even like an interviewer as much as he is a setup man. Yeah. And successful. They score a bucket every single time.

For him. For him. You know, there's a lot of talk that Mike Pence is a sniveling coward who didn't do his constitutional duty that day. I mean, that seems to be what a lot of people think. Is that what you think is Mike Pence a sniveling coward who didn't do his constitutional duty that day? That's the way it feels to me.

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a failed military coup earlier he marched on Moscow the Wagner group is a private army that operates there in Russian Ukraine it's really been doing a lot of the heavy lifting for the Russian forces in the war in Ukraine it was reported yesterday

that he is presumed dead Wednesday Wednesday when you guys who'd be listening to this after a plane north of Moscow crashed killed all people on board Progion was on the plane according to the Russian Civil Aviation Agency

which cited the airline if this was a coincidence it would be it's not a fucking coincidence they killed this motherfucker um Putin had called him treasonous

and said that the Wagner group's action was a rebellion and said that it was a stab in the back bowed to avenge it and it looks like he did. Here's the thing about Vladimir Putin doesn't fuck around doesn't mince words.

He doesn't like you. He kills you classic strong man situation. Rachel, you have thoughts about the death of prognosis and what this means for the Wagner group or what happens next there? I don't know what. happens for the Wagner group, but I mean, I either think that they will cease to exist or they'll

fall in line, which is, I think, the message. Oh, no, they won't cease to exist. Well, then they'll fall in line, which is the whole point of Putin doing this to reassert his power. There was a lot of talk about the fact that Progogian embarrassed him just by, you know, gathering these troops and the coup that was started but didn't get to where it was supposed to. The fact that Putin, that Progoshin was still alive. I mean, it was two months later that this happened, but was still alive even though they, and he allowed him to leave.

People who, you know, follow Putin and what he does. I didn't even know this. There's something called, like the Russian death syndrome. That's what, I guess, people call it in the media where these Russian officials, you know, like, mysteriously fall out of windows or commit

suicide and, you know, there's no like reason behind it. And, attribute this to something that, you know, Putin is behind. So there was a lot of obviously speculation that or questioning why Progosian was still alive. So it wasn't shocking, even though, you know, you don't wish death upon anyone. But I think the fact that Progousin kept popping up in Russia and seemed to not have Putin just didn't seem to be doing anything. And this was so uncharacteristic of him. So, yeah, I mean.

It's not surprising. I do want to say that people, but it is coming from Wagner channels, I believe, that they're saying that they did hear shots. There are witnesses who are saying that this plane was shot down and that there were witnesses that reportedly heard two bangs before the aircraft fell from the sky, which plays into the fact that Putin or the Russian government was behind.

Vaggy, Vaggy. We'll see what happens. now that I'm sure there'll be some sort of power struggle. It's not the type of place that has a clear line of succession. Progosion was the second leader of the Wagner group. The other guy

mysteriously vanished. Went away and the Progion took over. We'll see what this means. In terms of weakening Putin or strengthening him, look, these are the types of things you have to remember. You know, it's interesting. Rach, you know, I'm in an interesting place.

Okay. Real quick before we get to Anastun. I want you, I want all the thought warriors to come with me on this little ride. Okay. So I think about Saudi Arabia, right? Mm-hmm. I think about what's going on with Saudi Arabia, live golf, different situations like that. Saudi Arabia wants to have an increased presence in Western culture.

They want to use Western culture to evangelize to the world to open up Saudi Arabia. so they can become a place where we go to have fun. Obviously, there's problematic things that go on in Saudi Arabia. So that seems like a non-starter for many people. Okay. I've talked about the Saudis buying the WNBA. Talked about other things. And let me tell you why I talk about that,

and I'll tell you how it relates to Russia and some of the things that go on, some of the criticisms that I have. You know, what I was about to do is I was about to criticize Vladimir Putin for being someone who kills his political enemies and being somebody who wields such authoritarian power over his government that he's obviously a bad guy.

As a citizen of this country, watching what we do to political dissidents, watching what we do to people who we don't think matter in this country, it's getting increasingly tougher for me to, in good faith, look down my nose at these other places that are simply more obvious in the way that they oppress their citizenry. Like, it's, they're just, they lie less.

They're a little bit more open about how they kill people that they don't like. They're a little bit more open about how they treat gay people. They're a little bit more open about how they treat women. They don't hide it behind some of the things that we do. Or if they do, they just out and out say it. This is outlawed in this book, so you can't do it in the world. And what we do is we tiptoeing Kyle Tower around it when really it seems like we're seeking to lead the world in repression as well. So when I look at what Putin did to Progosion and how bad Putin is and the fact that they poisoned a man who was a leading.

anti-Russian thinker and now have this man in prison, it's a 47-year-old man who is not in great health, is a prisoner of conscience there, all the stuff that they do. I don't know. The older I get, the more cynical I get about us being the group

over here that has the moral authority to tell the rest of the world what it is that they're doing wrong. Am I being a dickhead about this? No, I mean, your point is that you wish that over here we weren't acting holier than now

and we were more upfront about the way that we oppress, this country oppresses American citizens for various reasons. Totally get it. The only thing I would say is I still look my nose, I still look down on the other countries, foreign countries, that do oppress other people just for being who they are or for standing up to a corrupt government or whatever it may be. I still look down on that.

but I think both can be true, but also look down on the fact that we want to act like our shit doesn't stink when so many people over here are suffering and oppressed. What I do think this country thinks is that

maybe we are, but not to the level that the other countries are. I wouldn't be shocked if they're like, well, sure, people are oppressed everywhere, but we don't do it like the other countries do. You know, because we have the American dreams.

here. And it's almost your fault if you can't pick yourself up and get it together. Like our friend Tim Scott last night at the debate, right? My mother, you know, he loves that. My mother worked this many hours and this many jobs and made me feel like I could do anything. Vavec had the same sentiment. My parents immigrated here for 40 years. They had nothing. And now I've created a billion dollar companies. That's the thing. That's the American lie that we tell each other is that the American dream. If you're oppressed, that's your fault. I think even Vivek said something about capital. And I actually wrote it down. I don't want to say it wrong.

We'll do it when we talk to him. Discuss it. But I think that's the lie we tell ourselves, right? It's your fault. You're oppressed. Like in 2023, there's no reason, right? There's no racism. If you're poor, that's your fault.

Honestly, that's almost how we deal with things here. And I think that's why we think we're better than other countries. It's not our fault is yours. Look, we're certainly richer than other countries. Without a doubt. We're certainly richer than other countries. than other countries. And with a certain level of wealth, I want to say rich, I mean overall.

With a certain level of wealth, there comes more access to different things. There's a certain contemporary cosmopolitan existence that America is always going to have because of its place in the world. But I, but, you know, what I'm trying to say in our belief is that it's when you look at the raw numbers

of the experience of living in America, when you look at it, it's a sliding scale of inequality that doesn't have very much to do with anything other than the way we've been able to exploit the rest of the world for our own riches. The systems here that are designed and work very well to keep women in the back of the bus,

to keep black people in the back of the bus, to siphon wealth and deliver it to the richest people on the planet, to shrink the middle class, to have people in a situation where they can't afford health care. Like real third world country, excuse me for using that term,

type of structures everywhere you look, like real terrible. bad shit in a country this wealthy where people don't have clean water to drink. Flint, Mississippi, other places. Epidemic violence in some places because of poverty and, you know, systemic cracks,

failures. Culture issues everywhere. I just, it, you know, it's fucked up all over. I just don't want to do it anymore. When we talk about even invading places that are sovereign and trying to destabilize them

and take them over, yo, we did that. We did it in Iraq. We do it through proxy all over the world. We're real good at hiding it. But, yeah, who's an asshole? Progosion was his enemy

and he killed him. How many people that we just went over and droned the shit out of him blew up their home? old families. Like, you know what I mean? It's like, I get it.

I get it. So don't take the money from live golf. Don't do any of that stuff. Or do it. What I mean, what difference does it make? Or do it. You know? It's all about the oil, the gas,

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Is she what she said? Did she learn a lesson? That's what she said. She said. it, Rachel. She's sick of it, God damn. She's taking a stand. In an interview with the Wall Street Journal, she says she's so over it at this point. I probably just got canceled by saying that, oh, daddy. I just don't understand what it means. Is there no redemption? I don't know. I don't put everybody in the Harvey Weinstein basket.

Obviously, this comes after Jamie Fox. Look, here's the thing. I like Jennifer Anderson. Overall, I think she's been cool, cool, cool lady for a very, very long time. Does it bother you? forget about the Jamie situation for a second. Are we just reflexively bothered when someone rails against cancel culture? Does it feel like what they're saying is, I'm sick of accountability, or has canceled culture in and of itself,

what that means the sort of societal definition of that, has it reached a point to where we can actually talk in an intellectual way about whether or not it serves? Well, first of, Jennifer Anderson didn't get canceled. Let's just start there. So obviously this is coming off of Jamie Fox. So just to mention that, as you said, and this is a purposeful interview

to talk about it in a roundabout way. And the reason I said that she did she learn her lesson from it is because she didn't address it specifically and she didn't apologize for, you know, her part in that debacle and her contributing to this narrative that Jamie Fox is anti-Semitic. But she wasn't canceled. I just want to be very clear about that. Do I think that we can have a conversation about cancel culture?

Absolutely. I do think to her point that cancel culture has gotten out of control, right? You know, she says she jumps to the extreme of I don't put everybody in the Harvey Weinstein basket. Well, that's you can do things. that are offensive that don't go to that extreme. So I don't think that she's necessarily having that conversation here, but I do think that we can have it because I think we can all agree that people are too quick to throw the word canceled out there to cancel someone

without actually understanding or having a conversation about what was done, how did it affect the context and the context of it. So yes, to answer your question, I do think that we can have those conversations because I do think people are tired of it in general. I'm tired of the way that she addressed it here. you weren't canceled. So it's your,

you think that she's referring to her situation in this that she hates cancel culture. Why else would she be talking about it? She wasn't canceled. She was talked about. Right. Perhaps she was in a very passive,

aggressive way, trying to throw a life raft to Jamie and saying, hey, that I hate the way people jump on people and I don't want to talk about it. Maybe she thought that was going to be the theme. Oh,

you think that was her way of taking up for Jamie? I don't know. I don't like passive aggressive. I don't like it either. Okay, so here's my thing about cancel culture is that it's like not a real thing. So it doesn't exist. It's not a thing.

It's, when I hear somebody say real against cancel culture, you might as well say woke mind virus. I mean, woke mind virus is not a thing. It's a boogeyman that's been made up from a bunch of people who don't like it when people have negative things to say about the history of the country or the systems that work inside of that country

or their identity inside of that country and cancel culture is a way most of the time when people say that or use that, it's a way for people to say, shut up and let me do what the fuck I want to do. The reality is nobody got canceled. They didn't cancel anyone. They canceled a couple guys.

I would say that fucking, I would say that fucking Weinstein got canceled. You know what I'm saying? I would say it's hard to even say he got canceled. He got convicted. What I'm saying is his shit is done. Yeah. Like that's a true cancel.

His shit is done. R. Kelly, canceled. His shit is done. Like, Bill Cosby for all intents of purposes is done. A lot of these other people that were talking about, a lot of these other people that were talking about that, quote, unquote, are canceled. Like, Lucy K. Didn't get canceled.

No, he bounced back. These guys didn't get canceled. These guys didn't get canceled. Like, I got talked about. I had a conversation with somebody that said that Candace Owens is canceled. Oh, just talking to. Adam on No Jumper. It's like, Candice O's has been canceled.

How the fuck could she be canceled? Like, how the fuck could somebody like that be canceled? A bestselling book? All that is, nobody gets canceled. No. Like, do I think that people are graceless in the way that they deal with a lot of mistakes that people make? And do I think that there's a lack of nuance without a doubt. But I do think that sometimes people are against living.

in a society where somebody can speak back to you. Hell, you know who has a problem with that sometimes? Me! I get on this mic and I talk a bunch of shit. And the moment sometimes that somebody talks any shit about me, I cop a plea. It happens. I'm a human being, right?

But what you have to continue to do is challenge yourself to remember that you're not speaking into the abyss. Like people are going to talk back And they're going to tell you, hey, we don't like it And if you set a standard for yourself, people are going to try to hold you to it. The part that I don't like

is we will all fall short of the standard We hold for ourselves. All of us will. We will all be worse than what we want to be and worse than what we say that we are. The question is, can you accept that about me? Can you accept that about me that I'm going to be worse than I want to be

and worse than what I say I am? Can you accept that about me? Can I accept that about me? Can I accept that about you? Because that's what a community is. It's not accepting people when they are always at their best. It's rules, consequences, and conversations that allow us to accept each other, period. And sometimes when we're at our worst.

So I think sometimes people, there are a group of people, don't get me wrong, that act in bad faith that are on there and make their whole persona about who's trash this week. And I think those people are probably doing. dealing with their own trauma and their own issues. So yeah, I get that. But acting like there's some big bad group out here, man, Hulk Hogan said that, Hulk Hogan said, I don't want my daughter to fuck no niggers. You understand this?

Like, I want people saying, Hulk Hogan said, I don't want more daughter to fuck no niggers. What he's saying? Even if you got a fucking nigger, fuck one of these six, seven niggers to be out there playing basketball. He, this is what he said, came out. Hulk Hogan, go do your thing, make your rounds.

He didn't have to go sit down with fucking Farrakhan or Jesse Jackson or nothing. Hey, I'm sorry, my bad. The hoaxer was having a bad fucking day, brother. Say your prayers, eat your vitamins. I'm back with the WWE. Nobody's canceled. They don't cancel you. Deshawn fucking Watson.

60 different women alleged that he, in some way assaulted them. Some women say he put out his dick and nut it on him. This motherfucker got $250 million. Guaranteed. Like, what do we talking about?

It's a bunch of bullshit. They don't cancel nobody. Mel Gibson. Mel Gibson. You got that. You got that one in my head. Man, what it, you guys, listen,

the single most racist statement ever made in the world. I don't care what none of y'all said. The single most racist statement ever made. If you get raped by a pack of niggers, it'll be your fault. That's the single most racist statements ever been made.

I don't care what the other thing. Nominate for Academy Award, Haxar Ridge. Even Kramer, who threatened to lynch somebody at his show. Now, Kramer hasn't been the same. I'll be honest with that, but he comes back up. He's on curb your enthusiasm. You know, it's

They don't cancel nobody. It doesn't happen. So when you rail against cancel culture, what you're really saying is, I'm sick of these motherfuckers holding me accountable and having an opinion about me. Yeah, agree. I think we should be able to have a conversation about,

hey, how do we talk about these things in ways that are nuanced and nourishing so that people understand that I'm not just looking to cut you down to make myself look better? At the same time, Jennifer Aniston, come on, man. I've been with you for a long time, Jenny.

You know, the hair. I remember friends was the whole thing. Remember the Brad Pitt situation? We was with you. And then, see? For a second, people were mad at Brad and Angelina, quote unquote, they were getting canceled

because they diss America's sweetheart, Jennifer Anderson. All it took was a couple of pictures, and we was like, these niggas are too beautiful to cancel. We can't do it. We love them. Anyway.

All right. I got to talk about Dak Prescott real quick. I'll save Hallie Berry and men's rights for another for another one. Not men's rights. Okay.

Hallie Barry paying. We got to go. She's paying that $8,000. That's what you get. It's good for the gander. Okay. That's what you get. No,

it's fucking sucks. But it is funny watching. It does suck. It does suck. It sucks because she made some really explosive allegations against Olivier Martinez. We know that Olivia Martinez

has been violent against people in Halliberry's life before. She's made some really explosive allegations of racism and abuse against him. So the reality is the fact that she has to pay him now seems like a kick in the face. We'll talk about that a little bit later. But I want to talk about Dak Prescott.

Ashley Baker, shout to Ashley Baker. Okay. The Nothing But Sports Podcast. She appeared on Red Zone after Dark where she discussed fans not having the same energy for that Prescott as they do for other black quarterbacks in the NFL. I would like to say that I think Ashley Baker is doing a fantastic job. She consistently says things about sports that made me think.

And she is definitely worth a follow on Twitter. Donna, give me the audio. I just want that same energy for that because I and and this is going to ruffle with little feathers. Feel free to clip this. That same energy of wanting him to succeed that you have for Lamar. and I'll take your bias out of it because you're a commander's fan. Obviously, you're not looking for Dallas to have too much success to an extent. But it's not that same energy for DAC because he doesn't look like us.

Yeah, like us. Exactly. That's true. He is us, but he don't look like us. You know what I mean. Y'all know what I mean. You all know what I mean. Patrick Mahom is us, but he don't look like.

Um, Rachel. Your thoughts on this. You're a Cowboys fan. Okay. I am a Cowboys fan. I think it's the reason what she's saying, there is truth to that, right? People don't have the same energy or support Dak in the same way that they, that they do like a Lamar Jackson. I don't think it's because Dak doesn't look like us. I think it's a couple of things.

I think it's because when there have been times to stand up or to have a strong stance about things that are happening to black people in your industry, you've not stood up. I think that's part of the reason that people feel that way. It's not just because the way he looks. It's not because he's biracial. It's because when there's been times to stand up, he hasn't. He seems to go along with the flow.

He seems to support the first. franchise. He seems to be like be the good old boy that does exactly what he's supposed to do. And I think that's one of the reasons. I also think that as a Cowboys fan, everybody hates him. Like, I mean, everybody hates us, right? People love to hate the Cowboys. And everything that Dak does is amplified. People either, people love the Cowboys and they hate the Cowboys and they love the began. It's what people do. Everybody loves to pile on. Everything that Dak does. does is under scrutiny. And so I just think that it's, you can't also talk, you can't talk about DAC and that he doesn't look like us without not, not also talking about the fact that he wears

the star, that he's a cowboy. People are going to treat a quarterback of the cowboy is totally different than they treat any other quarterbacks because, yes, we are America's team. And people love to hate on us. We are, Van, you can chuckle and laugh all you want. We are. And there's just a certain level, of scrutiny, like I said, against Dallas Cowboys players, period. And DAC falls into that. So I think it's several things. Okay, a couple of things.

Number one, like, the Cowboy America's team thing is so hilarious. We are! Okay. So here's the thing. We never really fuck with the Cowboys like that, ever. See what I'm saying? What I tell you about haters? I'm just going to be, I'm just being real with you.

Who's we? niggas in general never fuck with the Cowboys like that never like niggas in general have never fuck with the Cowboys I'm sorry to break the Cowboy Fetched back in the 90s no

no no the Cowboys were a popular team for sure but when you look at individual players right niggas always been this is what I say we always been more Barry Sanders than Emmett Smith

always we always been more Joe Montana, Steve Young, than Troy Aitman. Always. Always. Always. Irving, too? Irving, too.

Irving, he was cool. He, like, he was cool, but we been, we was more Jerry Rice than Michael Irving. For sure. Without a doubt, always been more. Like, the Cowboys haven't really had no players like that, that we have really, the only guy that they've really had,

maybe two guys that the Cowboys had that really have had the culture and the chokehold. That's Dion Sanders and Tio. And both of those guys play for multiple teams. So it was more about them being them than them being Cowboys.

The Cowboys have never drafted just one of those dudes. They ain't got no Vic. You know what I'm saying? They ain't got. no Barry Sanders. They ain't got no Odell Beckham Jr. They ain't got no Lamar Jackson.

They never had nobody that we gravitated toward. It's a Tony Romo franchise. Like, oh, okay, that guy's cool. I like him. He's cool. Tony Romo, to be honest with you, Tony Romo is cooler than 90% of the Cowboys is a very. He's just a cool guy.

Cool dude. Tony Dorset, maybe back, that's before my time, maybe back in the day. But this is true. You are such a hater. I'm not a hater. You know what the cowboys are? Somebody from Texas, somebody from Dallas would not speak of it this way.

These guys were the guys. I'm sorry. The cowboys aren't America's team. Really, the cowboys are white supremacy's team. I'm just being for real. The cowboys represent the whitest. Well, if you say America's team, I think God. They are the whitest of the white organizations.

All of these organizations are white. All of them are. Cowboys wear it with a certain degree of pride is so easy. And let me tell you something else about them. They haven't been relevant in actual football sports in so long. Actual football sport of games. So, listen, have we been good? No.

No. Have we been relevant? Please. In sport of game of football. Are you kidding? We are always a topic of conversation. People always want to talk about that. People, no, are you kidding me?

Do you know why? Jerry Jones. We are always a topic of conversation. The cowboys. Not good. The cowboys are nothing more than the mediocre white man of sports. Listen, it doesn't mean that we are relevant. We have to discuss them.

Well, that makes us relevant. They're not really meaning anything. You can say all these things. We're talking about that, right. We're talking about that. No, you're not relevant. You're white. And that's the thing.

Are white? Sometimes there's a confusion of relevance and whiteness. Even if it is part of white supremacy. Are white people relevant as well? See, you're a hater. That's how you changed. You're a hater. I'm not a hater.

I just never got it. To get up here and be like, Michael Irvin wasn't that dude? Please. I'm not even going to entertain that. It was a lot of fun. Michael Irvin was a lot of fun. He's a great player.

Not taking anything before you from Michael Irvin. I like Michael Irvin a lot. But we wouldn't, we wouldn't, we wasn't in the neighborhood like I'm trying to be like Michael Irvin we weren't we weren't in the neighborhood we weren't

we weren't in the neighborhood talk we were trying to be Barry Sanders man we were trying to be we were trying to be Jerry Rice man we're trying to be Chris Carter man we're trying to be Randy Moss bro we're trying to be T.O.

bro we're trying to be these people who's a cowboy later on but really has nothing to do would be in a cowboy. He wasn't even the most fun when he was a cowboy. 49ers in the Eagles. Yeah, 49ers in the Eagles. Man, biggest cowboy's mistake was not drafted a Randy Moss. Yeah, they would never draft somebody like that, though.

See what I'm saying? They would never draft somebody like that. Michael Irvin was not a good guy like that. He wasn't like the company man when they drafted him. So stop. But he wasn't, he wasn't a guy that we wanted to be. You know, shout out to Ken Norden. junior. In New Orleans, you didn't want you. That's fine. I'm not from New Orleans. But I'm just saying it's like... I mean, Louisiana. Sorry. Yeah, I'm just saying it's like... It's talking about Dak Prescott.

That's got... That's the, that's the... That's the kind of guy you expect to be the quarterback of the Cowboys. That's it, man. Y'all get off your own dicks. No, I will agree with that. I will agree with that. I'm not going to... But, like, the disrespect just proves my point about... haters. The haters. Yeah. And you're one of them. I'm not a hater. I'm just keeping it real. I'm like, I'm not a hater. I'm just keeping it real. No, we don't support Dak like we support

Lamar Jackson. Not even like we support Patrick Mahomes. I support Patrick Mahomes. Patrick Mahomes got that that swagger, swagger thing, thing. You know what I'm saying? I support him. We don't support. I'm not supporting Dak like I support none of these guys. Shout out to Dak, man. I wish Dak nothing but health. good, good energy, but. Oh, I gotta go. Okay. All right. All right. All right. All right. Okay. Okay. Bye. My bad.

All right. No bell back to. Got me all worked up. No, no bell back to get you guys. We're going to let Rachel deal with the reality about the Cowboys. We will see you on the next one. Take thin caps off and do not stop learning. I am Van Lathen Jr. And I'm Rachel and Lindsay.

Bye, guys.