Higher Learning with Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay - SAG Strikes and Tommy Tuberville Defines "White Nationalist"

Episode Date: July 14, 2023

Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay react to the Screen Actors Guild’s decision to strike (16:48) before discussing Senator Tommy Tuberville’s definition of "white nationalist" (44:55). Plus, Neil deGrasse Tyson speaks on “ghettofied” interactions (1:00:26), and a sea otter accosts surfers (1:16:15). Hosts: Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay Producers: Donnie Beacham Jr. and Ashleigh Smith Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Yo, yo, thought warriors. What is up? Hard learning is on. It is I Van Lathen, Jr. Oh, no Lushes Black. And it's me, Rachel and Lindsay. We already got tired of it, huh? It's not that I got tired of it.

It's just that I have to feel in the mode to say Luscious Black. Everybody knows I'm Luscious Black. What's wrong? I, um, this morning I got up and I, uh, I played Thriller to Fight. which is the Oculus boxing game. Oh, okay. And I was mowing through competition. And I got to this one guy who was a softball.

I switched to orthodox to try to offset the fact that I am a soft paw as well. And he kept putting something on my ass in the game. And I don't know why it affected my self-esteem this morning. I'm sorry. Yeah. So I put it all the way up on the highest level. And I was able to burn playing through a little fight this morning, 870 calories, you know?

Oh, my gosh. Oh, no. It's ridiculous. Like, I play out class and I put it all the way up and I play like fight like four or five fights. You're going crazy. Because, you know, it's it's four three-minute rounds. You don't get like dizzy with the head thing. on or

oh, okay. I don't know. I feel like I would be like I don't know. You don't hang out in the metaverse do you? I don't. And I'm not opposed to it.

I know. I just don't. You just haven't been initiated into the metaverse yet. Is that the best way to do it via the Oculus? I feel like the Oculus is the only way

to get to the Metaverse. Am I wrong about this? Donnie. Is that, Is the Oculus not your initiation or your conduit to the Metaverse? Is there another way to be in the Metaverse besides the Oculus? I feel like that's the Metaverse. Yeah, I think you're right.

I mean, we both could be wrong, but I feel like the Metaverse is like it is owned by the same company that owns Oculus, formerly Facebook or whatever. So I think they're one and the same. But I feel like there's other versions of it for whatever other VR. platforms there are. Metaverse is popular. Is, is, are you on the Metaverse? Are you in the Metaverse when you're like on Facebook?

Are that technically in the Metaverse? What is the Metaverse? Yeah, I feel like that's the offshoot of the Metaverse. It's like the, I don't know. If you're like in the MCU, it's like being on the movies or being on Disney Plus. It's like, you know, different version. It says, the

Metaverse is a network of 3D virtual worlds focused on social and economic connection I don't think according to this that the Metaverse is directly tied to meta

that the metaverse is when you are using any VR rig apparently you are in the Metaverse okay look at that that's weird yeah you're both wrong

Yeah, everybody's wrong. I didn't know. I thought the Metaverse was just, so, well, I'm right and I'm wrong because, well, no, I'm wrong. Because I said that the Oculus was the only way to get into the Metaverse. It's just one way to get into the Metaverse. What? Metaverse became a household world when Facebook rebranded its corporate identity of Meta in October 2021. So Facebook basically got cultural capture and having me think that they invented the metaverse.

They didn't. Which is what they want. Which is what they want. Rachel, are you into like being inside of a computer and computerized rage and an avatar and raching it up digitally? And having my own world. I can't talk. My own world there. Not really.

I'm good here. I'm good with being present. I don't know. I don't have a desire to do that at all. What have you been doing in Charleston? I've been to the beach a lot. We're in Folly Beach. So I've been to the beach a lot, which has been great. I mean, I've been all up in the water, having a good old time laying out, took little brownie to the beach. He's never been to the beach before.

We did a chore of a chore. My gosh. Am I okay? I've been drinking a lot since I've been here. So maybe these are the effects. Rachel, you have an alcohol problem. I'm on vacation. I'm on vacation. Don't start that. I'm on vacation.

I showed up for this podcast twice. Twice. I've been, yeah, maybe some say I would, I do. But I'm on vacation and I'm going to live it up. Sorry, guys. I'm not going to apologize for it. Listen, we took a tour. of Charleston yesterday, and it's tough to kind of listen to these tours.

Why? What's wrong with you? Well, I mean, you can't talk about the South without talking about slavery. And the tour was more of like pointing out, oh, this is this building, this is this house, this Confederate General did this over here. This is the oldest building where there were slave quarters. And at one point, the tour guide said, and these were known as the nicest slave quarters in town. No way.

And everybody everybody looked at me. Rach, Rach, I got to blow up the trip. I'm sorry. But here, but, Rach, Rachel, I got to blow up the trip at that point. And I just started laughing.

I just, I was like, what? In her southern accent, she said, and right here, down here they had, the blacksmiths were here and they had this, and then right above here were the slave quarters,

and these were known as the nicest slave quarters in town. And I'm like, what is happening? And it made my mood bad, obviously, because I thought to myself, do I lose my shit in this mind? Or do I just laugh it off? Because, you know, I'm confrontational. Right. But, you know, I'm with 14 other family members here and Brian's family.

Yeah, yeah, I get it. But van. But van. And I was already having an issue because the way she was talking. talking about slaves was as if they were imported like the rest of the goods that she was talking about. So I was already irritated because it's like, do you realize you're talking about human beings? Do you even care? And at some point she would say, you know, this is where the slave ships would come and it was really unfortunate. She would say things like that. But the expert would say

these were the nicest quarters in town. Ma'am, these are slaves. And I think it was just the inhumanity of it all of talking about slaves as if, I don't even know if she knew I was on the bus. I don't know if that's good or bad. I don't know, but it bothered me. Do you think that the- Slaves- Do you think that the slaves realized

that they were basically living in MTV Cribbs, slave edition? Do you think they, like if slaves went to another plantation, I wonder about this. If slaves went to another plantation, and they shit wasn't, they look back like, God damn, man. They ain't got no fucking hydraulic well. Fuck, we got it.

I don't even know. At one point she said, she said, and when there were too many African, she can say African-American, I'll just say blacks. It was like when there were too many black people, when the black people outnumbered the white people, they would then bring in more Europeans to balance it out. I just kidding. I said, I get up,

give me off this thing. Get me out of here. But I mean, Charleston's a very pretty city. Beautiful place. Again, it's my first time here. But the tour was tough.

And it probably is what contributed to my drinking. You'll probably like, fuck it, man. Bring out the peanut coladas, man. You know what I'm saying? You know what? I want a rank of states in their slaviness. Because, you know, I'm from a very slavy state.

Mm-hmm. You know, we had a lot of plantations, big, huge plantations, Louisiana, very slavy. You know, people, you drive down different parts, and you see. Slavery. Antibillum homes. You see a lot of them. Yeah. Louisiana, Mississippi, but of all of the slavious places,

I can't get a lot of way up there, man. Yeah. Yeah. You feel it. You do feel it. There was something else she said. I don't know. It was a lot of story.

She said, nigger. We would have fought. Now, I couldn't let that slide. We would have fought. But other than that, I mean, it's a very pretty city, despite that encounter. What if I, what? What if Brian, what if she would have said that this is the nicest slave? Well, never mind, I'm not even going into it.

You know what? No, go ahead. No, no. No, no, I'm not, no, I'm not doing it because it's, these are the things that get into my head, like funny shit. Because you're with there with your family or it's just you? No, it's Brian's family. It's you and Brian's family. Mm-hmm.

Now that presents a bunch of funny conclusions for myriad reasons. one is that they're not really from here, right? They're from Columbia. It's actually, it's a mixture. Austria, remember I told you that? Austria. Who's from Austria? Brian's half brothers and sister are half Colombian, half Austrian.

And so for a while, they lived in Austria with their mother. And so one of the brothers still lives in Austria. So his family's here. Is Brian half Austrian? No. He's full Colombian. So his mother got remarried to an Austrian after she had Brian. No.

His dad was married to an Austrian woman before. Before. And then they were in Austin. And then met Brian's mom. And they're both Colombian. Interesting. Flavors of white. Flavors of white.

Brian's families different. Flavors of white. Flavors of white. It's really interesting. You've got German being spoken. like German, Spanish, and English. It's cultural. In the mix.

It's cultural, but they don't know any of this stuff. So it would be very easy for them to say something hilariously comical, you know? They haven't. They haven't. When she's at the nicest slave quarters and down, my sister-in-law tapped, like, just, like, put her hand on my shoulder. Like, I heard it too. I heard it too. Don't worry about it.

She's from Maryland. She's like, I heard it too. When you come back? When is this over? Tomorrow. Tomorrow, tomorrow. We've been here since Sunday. Tomorrow, yeah. It's been a hot minute.

Is the water nice there? You know what? We took pictures on the Folly Beach. I don't know what I was expecting, but it's so nice here. The water is warm, very salty. But the beach is really nice. Yeah.

I don't go to the beach in L.A. you should have you should you should you should like uh when you're there with them you should like come out of the water in the beach like walking like you do the whole thing and then say i'm communing with my ancestors get out of my face because what i'll do is that's what i was going to tell you i'll I'll ruin the trip because everybody will be having a good time and I'll be in the water waiting around and they'll be like man why are you so pensive like what's going to and on. I'd be like, just thinking about the fact that this is the same water that my ancestors

came out of to go to the nice and slave quarters in town. She goes, anybody staying at the embassy suites? They say that hotel is haunted and I go. It's my ancestors. There you go. I was like, I said that out loud. Nobody said anything.

You know how you know Hollywood is racist? It's because we haven't been allowed to make a movie about the ghosts of slaves that just fucking destroy and kill and get revenge. I've only ever seen that. They do it a couple of times, but I've only said one time it tells from the hood where the slaves came off the painting.

I was just about to say with the nigglets. The nigglets. Your little nigglets. That was so far. That's such a funny episode. We should have an episode movie. We never did the Karen episode, the Karen theme, but we should have a higher learning film festival with just like a.

just rent a theater and have people come over and just watch the movies that like we like to watch culturally. Like we could watch like fucking Joseph in a technical or dream coat for you and your family, you know? I know that's the kind of stuff. What was your dad's favorite biblical movies? What biblical movies did y'all watch? For real. They love the Ten Commandments. That's a good one.

I'm trying to. What's another biblical movie? Damn. Oh, we watched Passion of the Christ, but I hated that. Like, that was a tough movie to watch. I did not like that. That's not one of my ones. I don't like that one.

I like, so I like just the movie, the greatest story ever told. Obviously, I've never seen it. You never saw the greatest story ever told. You know me. But wait a minute. But y'all was. No, don't y'all us.

You have created this fantasy of the life that we lived. So you guys didn't, you guys never watched biblical movies as children. You didn't watch them. We did. We used to have these. I don't know what the series was called, but they were all these VHSs of like different stories in the Bible,

but they were in cartoon form. So it was like it would tell a different story of like, you know, I don't know. Esther, Ruth, Daniel and the Lions did. Like we had different 30-minute VHSs that would tell stories in the Bible. And I used to love those as a kid. I used to love watching those. Then we would, at school, they would scare us with movies like the left behind. Yeah, tribulation force.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Those used to terrify me because I went to a Christian private Christian school. So like, that's hilarious that kids will come over to your house and they would be like, I don't say this, I want to watch Bucks Bunny. I want to watch whatever. And Rachel would put on. That's what Stanley and the Lions can give glory to the Almighty. We don't want to go to the Lindsay house.

It's already to have different tales of the Bible. I want to watch Animaniacs. In our house? I can't wait for you to create the fiction version of the Lindsay's, as told by you. But I will say as a kid, I really did say, you want to watch this? I did. I loved it. All right.

You know what, guys? all bad news in the world of entertainment. Rachel's in Goddamn Charleston, the nicest slave quarters. And the actors in Hollywood are trying to avoid living in the nicest slave quarters in L.A. They have officially gone on strike. That's the big deal of the day

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You're not? I'm not in it. Why? I don't want to be in it. Okay. A real reason. I don't want to be in it. I am in it and I voted for the strike.

You voted. Pro strike. SAG after president, Brian Dresher, aka President Nanny, and chief negotiator, Duncan Crabtree, Ireland, are in a press conference right now

announcing SAG's decision to join the writers in strike. They are not striking in solidarity with the writers. They have their own reasons for striking, but they are joining the WGA in a strike that is threatening the very lifeblood of this town. Donnie, give me a little audio from the press conference. I cannot believe it, quite frankly.

How far apart we are on so many things. How they plead poverty. that they're losing money left and right when giving hundreds of millions of dollars to their CEOs. It is disgusting. Shame on them. They stand on the wrong side of history

at this very moment. We stand in solidarity, in unprecedented unity. Our union and our sister unions and the unions around the world So that's twice Twice we were wrong All right

So this screen actors guilt They were in talks With the Alliance of Motion Picture and television producers Stocks have fallen apart Last Wednesday Rachel you voted for the strike

Why did you vote for the strike As a member of SAG? Well I'm always one with the people At least I like to think that I am And the thing is, SAG is divided into two different parts. So I am on the broadcasting side, which isn't a part of the strike. But still, I am a member. I do get paid on a SAG scale with certain things that I do.

So I've seen these minimum payments. I have seen the lack of residuals. But I'm fortunate enough to where I don't depend on it. And I can't imagine being an actor who it does. have to depend on that. And so for me, I do want to support and stand with the people who are directly impacted by this because it's not fair. The minimum payments don't add up to, you know, inflation and every, I mean, you know, we live in LA. It is so expensive to be here. And if you saw what people get paid at a minimum for their work with SAG, it's wild. I did a movie in April,

and I got paid the minimum rate. And I said something to one of the actors, and they were like, Like, this is how it always is. This is how it always is. So for me, I want to support, you know, I do plan on, you know, being at the picket lines and supporting as well. But I like to, yeah, that's why I decide to vote for. All right.

So in case people are wondering, in both cases, when you're talking about the WGA and SAG, the people that they are negotiating with is the Alliance of Motion Picture and Television Producers. That's AMPT. P, they represent the major studios and streamers.

That's Amazon, Apple, Disney, NBC, Universal, Netflix, Paramount, Sony, and Warner Brothers Discovery. All right, according to the actors, they are not offering a fair deal. You just heard from Fran Dresher. She has been going to battle with them for a while now. On the back of this, there's been some talk from a big wig. That big wig is Disney CEO,

Bob Iger, who says that the unions, both the writers and the actors, are not being realistic with their expectations. This is what Bob had to say. We've talked about the disruptive forces on this business and all the challenges we're facing. The recovery from COVID, which is ongoing, is not completely back. This is the worst time to add to that disruption, Iger said. We managed, as an industry, to negotiate a very good deal with the Director's Guild. that reflects the great value of directors and their contributions to the business. We wanted to do the same thing with the writers, and we like to do the same thing with the actors.

There's a level of expectation that they have that's just not realistic. Now, among the demands from SAG, like Rachel said, are increased minimum pay rates, increased streaming residuals, neither of which, according to them, have kept up with inflation, and improved working conditions, royalty payments, which of course are contingent on the number of the show's reruns, which are no longer reliable

because reruns don't exist anymore in the era of streaming, not as much as they used to, and safeguards around how artificial intelligence will be used. They want to protect their likenesses and make sure that they are well compensated when any of their work is used to train AI,

which is an interesting point that they are making. The strike is limited to film a TV production like Rachel said, news, broadcasts, all that stuff is not part of it. This is the first time that the actors have gone on strike since 1960. It's been a while. Okay, so interesting here. Interesting here.

I'm sure people... It's the first time that the writers and actors at the same time were on strike since 1960s. Oh, I'm sorry, Donnie. I think they went on strike sooner than that. Thank you, Donnie. Oh, I'm sorry, just the sweet of sweet, sweet, sweet, sweet booty, booty. I apologize. I got it wrong. Donnie, do you, um,

just, just seriously. So do you, when you run, what is wrong with you? When you run, what, how long is the inseam on your shorts? Do you know? Don't. Come on. Come on.

Go on. Do you go with a five inch inseam, a four inch inseam? I'm comfortable. All that matters is I'm comfortable out there. That's all. Matt. There it is. Sweet is sweet.

But yeah, so look, there's a couple of things happening here and I think we have to kind of delve into to be honest about him. It's like, if you're wondering who caused the strike, there's

an argument to be made that you caused it. You, the consumer. There's an argument to be made that you are part of the reason why the strike is happening. And you didn't do it on purpose.

You didn't. It didn't happen purposefully. But the business has changed to suit the demands of the consumer and the question it becomes who loses. Is that true? Is it because of the demands of the consumer? Or is it because this is what's been, how it's been fed to us? given to us. And yeah, then the consumer wants more of that in a quickness. I would argue that it's

not because the consumer wanted it first. It's what was given to us. And then we became attached to that. So this is why I say that. And by the way, this is not absolved the studios in any way. And I really hope that as we're having this conversation that you guys like honestly and fully accept that this is in no way absolving the studios. The reason why I say that is because I remember when Netflix first went to streaming, not original content, when they first started streaming the stuff that you could get from Netflix, right? Right.

So for all of you whippersnappers that don't remember, Netflix used to be something to where there was a changing in the business. We all have to get our asses up, drive to the video store. And we would browse around in the video store. By the way, this was a wondrous occasion. Loved it. Going to the video store was like a mini version of going to a movie theater. I agree.

It was like a different version. There were snacks in the video store. It was like a different, it was almost like a, if you got this energy from being in there, what are we going to watch tonight? Like, what are we going to do? it was a fun ritual of going to a video store, right? Black Western was almost like an amusement park. I don't know, it's weird. No, it's because you would browse through the aisles

of the different genres and you'd see the video cover, I mean, the cover of the VHS. And so it was really cool to see the different, that's what I used to like to do. That's why it felt like so adventurous when you would go. Right. So for those of you don't remember, Netflix, ended up being a service that meant you didn't have to go

to the video store. When Netflix first came out, you would pick the movies. And maybe they still have this. I doubt it. You would pick the movies that you wanted. And then Netflix would mail you the movies. And then you would play them, watch them. And then you would put the movies back in the mail and you'd send them back. So you didn't have to go to the video store anymore. All right. there was also Red Box where there would be a red box outside of a goddamn 7-11 you go in there, you'd rent the movies

and you you did bring the movies back when you were finished with him. I love Red Box. Red Box when Red Box first came out, it was cool. All of these things threatened the video store and nor are taking the video store out.

Then the real change was when Netflix started streaming the movies on the Netflix site. Meaning you no longer had to even mail the movie. You didn't have to go to the Red Box. I remember when I first got to TMZ having my iPad and just watching movies streaming from Netflix

on my iPad thinking, Jesus Christ, this is great. I was having a conversation with a guy out there who was in the business who was asking me about paparazzi stuff and he said this to me. I'll never forget this. I swear on my dad. He goes, the real change in the business is going to occur when Netflix starts making their own shows. I was like, huh?

He was like, yeah. He was like, all the content that you're streaming on Netflix is one thing. But what about when Netflix starts actually making shows for themselves that you can stream? And I was like, oh, shit. and over the next couple of years, Netflix destroyed an entire industry. And what we thought was that streaming was only going to destroy one industry, but it turns out that it threatens to destroy them all.

We thought that streaming destroyed the video store. But no, streaming might have destroyed the video store. It might have destroyed the video store. destroyed the movie theater. And it might have destroyed the movies themselves. Because every secondary revenue stream that was available to film and TV is being gobbled up by streaming. It used to be that Matt Damon talked about this when he was on Hotwoods, that a movie that took in a little bit less would then go ahead. DVD and you could make a lot of your movie back, money back.

There were some movies that were legendary only on DVD. That's gone. In television, you used to sell a show like two or three times. Like, Friends would be on NBC, right? And then there's a whole generation of people who only know friends from being on TBS. There's so many shows that we watched every single episode of that we never, watched them in first run. We never got it.

By the time we got them, they were in syndication. Seinfeld, friends, whatever it will be. That's gone too. Streaming killed that. So the money has just gone way down. Streaming is insanely convenient for the

consumer. For someone who can just go home, press a button and watch something in HD. but the economics, the infrastructure of these businesses is wholly different. Now, you can make an argument that everybody should have seen this coming. You can make an argument that whatever pie is left should be split equitably, but you can't make an argument that there was going to be some sort of pivot that was going to happen. What I think the most important thing to take away from all of this is,

since there's less money in the pot, is that in today's day and age, the studios are really, really, really stupid. If they think that the working actors and writers of the town

are going to be the ones to live in poverty, by guys like Bob Eiger, shout out to Bob Eiger, who make $30 million, dollars a year are going to tell them to eat porridge. Like there's got to be something that's done. But we cannot act like there is a economic pivot that has happened that seemingly snuck up on all of these people.

The streaming wars have not really been what they thought that they were going to be. The subscriber numbers haven't really driven these billions and billions and trillions of dollars of, not trillions, but billions of dollars of profit that they thought they were going to do, lot of these things aren't quite working like they thought that they were going to work. And there's got to be some type of new model that exists to either restore the cash flow that was there before or create a new one. And I think the working people of the town are saying, you know, we're not going to bear that brunt. All very well said.

And I think it's interesting too. I wonder if they anticipated how overly saturated things would become. There would be all these streams because it was just Netflix. Then everybody started doing the model. I wonder if they anticipated that and that that would also be the downfall of this industry. It's too much. It's it's too much to go around. I don't know how you pull back on that.

I mean, even when, even seeing like, you know, Discovery and Warner Merge or Showtime with Paramount, it's still all too much. So I don't know how they pull back on any of that, but it's interesting. I really find Bob Iger's comments shocking. And I'm actually surprised he said them publicly, because what he's admitting is that it's all about the business and not the people. He talks about the-

He's the CEO of Disney. Like, what do you think? Obviously, it's about it. Yeah. I'm surprised. I'm surprised. He said it out loud. Right? Because don't you want to give this appearance of we're really trying to negotiate? We're really trying, you know, like we've been offering certain things. Because they did. I mean, the people who've been negotiating on behalf of the studios did blame it on SAG. They basically said, we've been trying to negotiate SAG's the problem. And they're the ones that are going to impact the livelihood of all these actors. They did blame it on them. But to hear Bob Iger come out and. say it in this way, to me, it's like he said the quiet part out loud. That, to me, was shocking.

I don't know how they come together, and you can obviously tell how much this impacts the livelihood of writers, now actors, because Fran Dresher was very emotional in that speech that she was given. And it makes me feel like they're nowhere even close to any type of resolution. And I would love, because Bob Iger says, there's a level of expectation that they have, meaning SAG, that is just not realistic.

I would love to know because the demands to me that SAG are making, they seem to be very reasonable and necessary with the way that times are. What is Bob Arger referring to as the level of expectation? Because it seems like the bare minimum he has a problem with. So can I give an idea of what I think he probably is talking about? a couple of things. Complete. All right. So one thing is, I think,

with streaming that people might have overestimated is their own IP. Because this is what happens. This is what happened, right? So you have stuff on Netflix. Everything's on Netflix. You can watch stuff on Netflix.

Disney says, hey, we own Mickey Mouse and Marvel and Star Wars. So if we start our own streaming service, people like them who are culturally captured and shackled to his childhood will buy our streaming service and watch whatever we tell them to watch

because we have that. Disney does that. Takes all of that stuff. It's not on Netflix anymore because remember the Marvel stuff used to be on Netflix. Right. Daredevil, Jessica Jones, all of that stuff.

They were doing that with Netflix. But why would we do it with Netflix and make Netflix money when we can do it on Netflix? on our own streaming service, have our own shows, and then it's like, whatever, okay, cool.

The same thing kind of happened in boxing, by the way. HBO boxing used to be the gold standard of boxers. HBO and Showtime, ESPN and a Friday night fights. Then all of the boxing promotions signed different deals, different places. PBC went with Showtime, and then there were streaming services that popped up.

DeZone was a streaming service that Golden Boy and other places went with ESPN Plus, at top rank. And so these fighters from various promotions wouldn't be on one place. An HBO or Allah on Netflix, they all went to individual places. And then you have to have three or four different

places to watch boxing, but you can watch all the boxing that you want, right? If you like top ranks, you can watch top rank. And if you like BBC, you can watch BBC and whatever, whatever. Okay. So Disney says we have Mickey Mouse. Warner says we have. Batman and DC. Okay. Paramount says we have Mission Impossible. We have MTV. We have all of this stuff. So you're going to come over here if you want to watch the fucking real world or if you want to watch Mission Impossible. If you want to watch Star Trek, we have Star Trek. We watch Picard. We have all of this. And so the battles between these streamers became battles against various IP, in which IP you couldn't live without.

right HBO is with Warner so they're like we have Game of Thrones we have the Sopranos that's when you get like Sopranos prequel movies being made all kinds of stuff like that because you have to continue to use the IP that you have to draw people to whatever it is that you want them to watch right yeah so it's all a battle of the IP everything started coming out when you said being oversaturated it turned out people didn't care as much about that as they thought that they care because or password share Password sharing as well. Like their digital workarounds to how much money you get from these things.

You share the password. You're making less. Describe accounts aren't quite what you thought they would be. And if you make all of these shows, you have to make all of these shows. And if you make all of these shows and the quality isn't there, you burn the audience out. Then the audience is going back. Like sometimes I'm on Disney Plus and I love Disney Plus, but sometimes I'm on Disney Plus. like, what am I going to watch?

Like, what do I watch now? Like, I have to, I feel like I have to watch something because I have Disney Plus. The question is like, what? Like, what is it going to be? Like, what am I going to watch? Like, I've watched all the Marvel stuff. I've watched all of this. Am I going to watch like the latest kids Disney cartoon?

There are no kids in this household. So it's like what, you know what I mean? And then you start to go, well, shit. Like, how much do we watch this? It doesn't matter if you can afford it or not. If you never go on Paramount Plus and you never go on Paramount Plus and you never watch it. Like, then you go, do I need this?

And then you start getting rid of them. You know what I mean? But what I'm saying to, in terms of the way this works is, you can't really, they need a different model in order to have residuals on a streaming show. Because the residuals that you would get would be energized by the fact that this show is sold

into syndication. So a lot of times the crazy money that was being made is because these shows are sold again, right? So you're selling them two or three times. Well, now you're only selling that show one time. There's one pot of money. And the show itself isn't really generating any more money. It's like not generating that much more money. Like it's generating the amount of, because people aren't going back and watching it as much.

So how do you then, I'm not saying you. can't is just that's the question. How do you work the residuals for a show that's on a streamer that came out once and people aren't going back? And then another thing is you're not selling the show again.

You're not really making any more money off of the show, right? So you're losing a lot more money on the show, which means the budget of the show will probably have to come down like in the beginning. Then another thing is, with the show is the streamers don't want to make

their technical information available. So they don't want to say, this is how many people are watching the show. They don't want the proprietary information of their streams of all of that stuff to be known. Why? Because a tech company is different than a network. And they don't want people to know

exactly how their fucking algorithm is working and how people are watching it. people are streaming it. You have a, they give out some numbers on this stuff, but they don't really want to share that stuff. And if you don't share that, it's difficult to really come up with how much people should be getting paid after the fact. They don't want to be transparent about that. Their tech companies are not networks. Rachel's frozen. Am I frozen? I can hear you. Okay. Well, we got you back. We got you back. Yeah. So there's a lot of lot of stuff that has to be worked out. The thing is, it has to be worked out with the livelihood

of actors and writers in mind. So, you know, there's a lot of different mechanisms to it that actually do have to be worked out. They do have to, but everyone has to kind of go into it, understanding that it can't be the people that drive the business. It can't be the minds that actually make the stuff happen. That are the ones are getting fucked. But I'm telling you right now, this problem isn't going away. And it's like a real tipping point for the industry. COVID didn't help.

None of this stuff helped. People are going to have to cut back. There are so many more shows out there now. But the question is, like, what is the best way for everyone to continue to make money? And with streaming, which I said is better for the consumer. It's right there in your face. Watch it whenever you want. Watch it on a plane.

Fucking. Watch it at home. Watch it during the meeting. Watch it when you're playing basketball. It's all right there. It's just not as lucrative. It's, you know what I mean? It's just not as lucrative as it used to do.

I don't know what the solution is. And I mean, clearly neither do they because that is why we are where we are. But this is good, I mean, I'm already seeing the effects of it. I was supposed to have an interview today. they pulled out. They pulled out because they were like, we're standing with our fellow actors. And so even though my industry isn't on strike,

it directly impacts us because we do premieres, we do interviews, we do all of this, and the actors, they're not going to show up for that. They're already talking about the Emmys, award shows. So it's going to have, it's not just affecting, I guess the people who are directly involved, It's going to have impact just throughout the industry in general.

I mean, I feel like we talked about this. When we were talking about the writer's strike, Hollywood is going to shut down. This is it. The whole thing. And I think that the studios are going to find out that if they go up against the culture of Hollywood, which is built on a degree of public relations,

like, your Christopher Nolans, your Matt Damans, I think I've got Oppenheimer on the mind, all of these people. Yeah, yeah, I was like, they, Margo Robby, Morgan Robby, fucking Ryan Gosson, all of these people, part of their personality and their likability

comes from the fact that people look at them as liberal and caring about people and all of that. And the town itself is looked at is this bashing of liberal politics and ideas, which, you know, if you live here, you know that that's not quite the truth. But if the entire money engine of Hollywood says, you know, fuck everybody. Yep. And they move forward. that's a it's gonna be tough

for a lot of people to go on it's really money against culture I don't think that that's going to be a successful strategy I'm not surprised that Iger feels the way that he feels but to your point I am surprised like you said you made a fantastic point I am surprised

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I call them an American. Tommy Tupperbill of Alabama, who was the coach. I don't know if people know this as much. You know Tommy Tupperville, right? They know he was the coach at Auburn. He's a coach at Auburn. I mean, they know, but he said I was a football coach for 40 years. It's like, people act like, I've been here to

Tomber-Tubberville's been the name that's been my life the entire, whatever. Tommy Tupperville defended, in my mind, white nationalists, calling him Americans. And he doubled down on that defense on CNN. This was the first thing that he said, Donnie run the audio. I do want to give you a chance to clarify some comments you made recently on white nationalists serving in the military. For those who are watching, if they haven't heard your remarks, this is what you said. Do you believe they should allow white nationalists in the military? Well, they call them that.

I call them Americans. Do you want to explain those comments, Senator? Yeah, first of all, I'm totally against any type of racism, okay? I was a football coach for 40 years, and I dealt and had an opportunity to be around more minorities than anybody up here on this hill. but when our military has been attacked, was being attacked, after 9-11, after January the 6th, and that was my first day on the Senate floor, I thought it was, I thought it was outrageous of what senators from the Democratic side, Chuck Schumer sat on the floor that night, calling out people, calling people racist, calling people nationalist, white nationalist,

white nationalist is just another word that they want to use other than racism. I'm totally against anything to do with racism. But the thing about being a white nationalist is just a cover word for the Democrats now where they can use it to try to make people mad across the country identity politics. You know, it's interesting. So obviously this is all fucked up, but I don't know if I'm, more concerned that he doesn't know what the fuck that he's talking about?

Or if I think that he's actually trying to give cover to white nationals. Because when I first heard this, I go, okay, he is breathtakingly jumping into the pool of defending a white nationalist and he's fully aware of what a white nationalist is and he's trying to dog listen to

them as Trump has done with the proud boys or Trump did with David Duke. But they do this kind of with them the time. I'm not so sure he's even aware of what a white nationalist actually is. Am I shooting bail here? Or, because the more I watch it, the more I can't even understand what the fuck that he's trying to say. I know he's not saying what he should say, which is that I denounce white nationalism in all of its forms. And anyone that's in the military that would be a white Nationalists is acting

their cross-purposes with what the stated goals of the military are, which is to defend the freedom of all Americans, right? Equally. Which is a very easy thing to say, I just fucking freestyle it and I'm not even in the Senate. But I don't know if he even is he, is this just

fucking really dumb? Is this really racist? Or is this really dumb and racist? Rachel? So, I would say, when I first heard it, I said, oh, he doesn't know the definition of a white nationalist. I truly thought that I go, oh, he's an idiot. He doesn't know that because this isn't the first time.

And I'm sorry, I don't have the exact example. But there's something else that he did where it was like, what the hell is Tommy talking about? He made another dumb comment before. It was like right when he took office. Yeah. So I was like, okay, he just, he's not, he's not the sharpest tool of the shit, at least when it comes to politics. Well, this isn't even politics. That's just a definition.

So he's just not to start sharp a tool in the shed. But hearing what you just said, it almost doesn't matter if he's dumb or if it is a dog whistle. Right. It's problematic either way. Because what he's doing, I believe, is going to be what we see Republicans continue to do. If that's your opinion of the word, that's wild.

if that's your opinion is going to be the new thing that we hear them say. Because since when do we opine about the definition of a word? Oh, well, that's your definition of the word. Oh, that's your opinion of the word. No, that's exactly what it means. And I can see that phrase being used by, you know, extremists, by Republicans as a way to whitewash or muddy the waters to allow some of these ideas to become mainstream or to go along hand in hand with this concerted effort to change the history of white people in this country.

It goes right with CRT. It goes right with book bans. Oh, well, that's your opinion. Oh, no, I'm not a racist. But if your opinion is that a white nationalist is racist, then that's how you feel. But no, that's exactly what the definition is. If you Google white nationalists and you press image or you press image, everything that pops up are Confederate flags, People in white hoods, people throwing up the Hell Hitler sign. I mean, it is, it's hard for me to believe he doesn't know the definition of it.

I think he got caught up in his own thing, but it doesn't matter. Both are problematic because I think it is signaling, maybe the dog whistle is that that phrase or that this way of saying it is what we will continue to see them do. So he had another interview. this is really breathtaking stuff here. About this topic? Yeah. So I'm just looking at it right now. He was on with Rachel Scott over on ABC.

She asked him, can you explain why you continue to exist that white nationalists are American? And he goes, listen, I'm totally against racism. I mean, if Democrats want to say that white nationalists are racist, I'm totally against that too.

He's not. Yo, if the Democratic spin machine wants to say that Nazis are racist, I'm against it. If a democratic spin machine wants to besmirch the name of the Ku Klux Klan by saying that they are racist, I'm against it.

Um, this is a senior senator, a U.S. senator. He says, that's not a democratic definition. He goes, well, that's your definition. He says, my definition is racism. It's bad. Van, this is not going to be a one-off. She said, she said, she said, the definition of a white. naturalist.

Is someone believing that the white race is superior to all other races? And then she asked him again, do you believe that white naturalists are racist? And he says, yes. If that's what a racist is, yes.

What the fuck is? What is up with this? My, bro, this is comedy. This is comedy. Oh my God.

We are so fucked. We are so fucked. So for Senator Tuberville, he's from the great state of Alabama. I hope that he knows that Alabama has 13 different racist organizations, including the Patriot Front, which is a white nationalist organization, Occidental Descent, which is a white nationalist organization, and a lot of different

other places that are operating right there in this very own state. I'm looking at white nationalism by state, and I didn't realize that Arizona was as active as they are. Arizona has 39 different groups that the SPLC deems to be white supremacist groups. So look. These this is a senator who is cozy in up to

white nationalism and who is also breathtakingly dumb. Breathtakingly dumb. there's a there's a positive about this though before we move on is the positive is a lot of the people in the GOP the brass here they're losing the ability to be slick like they're losing the ability to be slick about this it used to be that they were better at dog listening right but the frequency is starting to be where we can actually hear it. This is funny. I watch that a couple of different times.

I'm like, what is he trying to say? And then he's, he's just, this is funny. It's scary. It's all fucked up. But it's funny. And look, and this is another situation, you know, and I don't want to bring, I'm about to break my own rule here.

I'm about to just throw other people in this who had nothing to do with this. But when, when we talk about some people in the GOP, that are supposedly representing Black American interests or they're black or whatever. We talk about guys like a Tim Scott

or the people there was a sister that was in Georgia who just switched right after the election to the Republican Party. And they caucus with these people. I'm trying to really get a grasp on how they feel about this. Like how does it feel to share the Senate chamber with someone,

who just won't even say that white nationalism is bad. Like just the baseline, you know, the baseline of understanding. And so I just wonder. I wonder. This episode is brought to you by Spectrum Business. Fast, reliable Internet means everything for your business. And even this podcast, that's why I trust Spectrum Business. It keep companies of all sizes connected with Internet, advanced Wi-Fi, phone, TV, mobile services,

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Because it is completely inconsequential to anything that has to do with you. And it doesn't matter, to be honest with you, if you're a Democrat or a Republican. The Hunter Biden scandal has nothing to do with anything as far as what I can see. Okay. Like, if in fact there was some way to connect Joe Biden or the White House to any impropriety worldwide with what Hunter Biden was doing, which seems to be influenced peddling, then that's something that would interest you. The zealous prosecution of Hunter Biden by the right

in order to try to dread something up on Joe Biden, it just doesn't have anything to do with your life. It's a political legal bargaining chip. It is not anything like what President Trump has been accused of or things that President Trump has been indirect that has been implicated of. it's not like President Trump trying to use the Ukraine to investigate Joe Biden. It's not like any of that stuff.

It just really doesn't have anything to do with it. It's political fodder, right? One thing that has happened that's interested in a hundred in a hundred Biden case, though, is that it seems that the star witness for the GOP is a fucking spy. That was fascinating to me. Gal Luft, we're going to bring a guest on to talk about it, 57-year-old guy, was giving information or going to give information regarding Hunter Biden, something he knew about Hunter Biden,

to the GOP group of congressmen who are doing the investigation. And it turns out that unbeignance to them last year, this guy was indicted by being a motherfucking spy and a potential arms dealer. And he is now on the run. So another thing that's hysterical. We're going to bring somebody on to get into the nuts and bolts of it. But the just unbelievable lack of thoroughness,

of insight of seriousness that exists on the right now, it's almost becoming a black mirror mixed with S&L sketch it really is their guy who they swore was up and down was credible

who skipped bail in Cyprus while he was waiting extradition back to this country has all of these accusations accusations by the way that came before because this stuff was just unsealed. This goes back

to November. Accusations that came before they were touting him as their number one star witness. It's just funny. But it's so complicated and convoluted that we're going to have somebody dissecting for you guys real quick. But just, it's just

it's more stupid stuff. I thought it was, this is like a bad fucking, well, what's worse is there's still double down on it.

Right? Despite all this information coming out, they're still like, nope, this is just something that the Democrats are doing

because they don't want this information to come out. It's like that it's same, same stuff, different day. Yeah.

All right. Neil DeKrasse Tyson was on DJ Bladad BladTV.com. Recently resurfaced clip. Neil deGrasisian, of course, an astrophysicist, says that he wants to be known as just that, a scientist.

And if you call him a black scientist, it's one specific word that he used. Run the audience. The point is, the moment you say you're a black person, I want to cast you as a black person, I'm going to ask you black people questions. You have ghettoified the interaction. If I'm a black scientist to you,

then I'm not actually a scientist to you. Yeah. You have... Astros by your name. Yeah. You have constrained who and what I can be in your mind by even assigning that label. So what's obvious here? What did you say?

He's only, I said, what's obvious here? He's only book smart. Okay. And he hates being black. You think he hates being black? Hates being black. He thinks that he literally equated black. with ghetto five.

I don't even know if I've ever heard that word before or it used or it's been a long time since I've heard it used. Two things are obvious there. You don't think he likes being black? So, I don't know.

I don't know. I can't say he hates being black. Van. What? I think anybody who runs away from the usage of black as something that defines you and you are a black person, I think you hate your blackness.

Would you say that Tasia hates her blackness? Come on now, don't do it. She's quoting to Tasia. She's African American and Mexican American. Nilegras Tyson got his BA and Harvard. His MA at the University of Texas, Austin. His... Book smart.

his PhD from Columbia University. Of course, he is a recipient of National's Distinguished Public Service Medal, public welfare medal, and the Klopstad Memorial Award, astrophysicist, scientists, medications. He's taught a bunch of different places. You guys all know who Neil DeGrasse Tyson is. This is what I say about this.

So, you know, I'm not sure if Neil deGrasse Tyson hates being black. I can't I can't say that What I will say this He definitely doesn't like being a black scientist What I will say is this though There is There's a proximity to whiteness

That a lot of people Confused with Freedom Because in America Really in the Western world Being white has meant being free So sometimes There are black people that confuse the want to be free with the want to be white.

That happens all the time. I heard Donald Glover one time say that he wanted to be big and white. He said this on the breakfast club. He said that whiteness is blankness. And he wants to come into a room without any preconceived notion about who he is. And the only way to really do that is to be white. aren't there preconceived notions about white people too? Which is why you want to be white.

Not by anybody who matters. So because the white people do the notion setting in America, what that means is that the notions that black people have about white people and for people who believe that would really make a difference. But the notions that white people have matter. White people don't have those notions about each other in this romanticized view of this. So that means that you walk into a room if you're big and white, then you're okay. Okay.

When Neil DeGrasse Tyson said that that ghetto fires it, that obviously is a pejorative that leads into the racial Lindsay theory that he hates being black. I think that when I look at who Neil deGrasse Tyson is and the rooms that he's had to be in, that what he probably wants is a, is a greater proximity to whiteness and not necessarily a hatred of blackness. Now, I can't say that he doesn't hate being black. I can't say that he doesn't hate it. But he, what he's confusing, though, is actually, Donnie, take that out because I'm not what I meant to say. What I think Neil DeGrasse Tyson is trying to say, or what I think he would think he means is that he wants to be free to be who he is.

And the only way to be free to be who he is is to not be black. Right? And to me, what that means is that being black is not a part of Neil deGrasse Tyson's makeup to himself. He doesn't look at himself. His blackness isn't important to him. I can't say that he hates it.

It's disgusting to him. But you are saying this so beautifully. I'm not saying that was really well- What I'm telling you is that a lot of people use a lot of things to bring them closer to white people. And they think that being closer to white people is being closer to freedom. People will use their money as soon as they get money. I don't want to be seeing with the rest of these niggas. I don't want to be their education.

I don't want to be seen with the rest of these niggas. Their spouse, I'm with somebody. So that means that like not, come on, nigga. I'm just, these are, don't take it. I'm just saying to my face. Shut up, man. I'm not, that's not a shot. I'm saying that sometimes people marry.

I'm not saying that everybody does it. I'm saying that sometimes people marry into families. And they're like, I got my fucking white family now. I was just talking to somebody about that not too long ago. So all of these things. And I think that Neil deGrasse Tyson thinks that his education has freed him away from being categorized as a black person. You know what? Fuck it.

I'm all. I'll come around. I don't know why I'm trying to shoot this nigger bail. Maybe because I like watching the cosmos. I don't know why. This nigga don't like being black. Rachel's, I'm not interested right. Can you imagine how I would be?

No, I love it. It was beautiful. what you said, and if he's listening to this, he'll be sure to take that and use that. Oh, no, it's not a hatred that I have. It's this. Listen, the man looks into a mirror. He might even look into mirrors. He doesn't want people to know, you walk into a room, they immediately see you for who you are. And to me, there's such pride in being, when you think of a scientist, you probably don't typically think that they're black. And that's a problem. And here you are to pave away and show, you know, your success and all the things that you've done. And it doesn't matter

that you're a black scientist. Your resume, you read out his resume, his education. It speaks for itself. The works that you've done speak for yourself. So you should be proud to be a black scientist. But at the same time, are people really walking around calling Neil that? Are people really like, hey, there's... I just show Rachel a picture of Newell and his wife. Are people really walking around saying, hey, there goes Neil that black scientist. No, they're not. They are.

No, they're not. They are, though. Hey, there's Neil, that black scientist over there. Look, look, I've taken not a black scientist, but I've taken a lot of pride in the fact that, or not necessarily with a lot of pride, I think it's been cool that the most famous word on astrophysics, not the best astrophysicist,

but the most famous name in astrophysics is a black guy. That's what I've been something cool for. for me, you know what I mean? It's of course. Yeah. The use of the term ghettoified is, is. And did you see the look on his face when he said it? The look on his face.

The use of the term ghetto fight is, that's wild, Neil. That's wild. I didn't want to believe it about Neil, man. That's wild. The use of the term ghetto fight, though, Neil said the moment you call me black, you're a ghetto fight. God. Damn.

Being black is being ghetto. You've ghettoified the conversation. Because you referred to him as being black. So this is a man who he definitely doesn't want to be black, period. It's not that he doesn't want to be a black scientist. He doesn't want to be black. I think Rachel's right. It's a loss for your lushness of black here.

Just go back and look at his face when he says. You've gettoedied. Is this a situation? I should have known that Neil was like this too. For, Neil still got a good hair, a good head of hair and doesn't even try to get his shit lined up. You know what I'm saying? Like, it's like, I'm sorry. He does, bro.

Neil still got a good head of hair. He don't even try to get his shit lined up. He goes, he said every letter in the word ghetto fight. He goes, you have ghettoified. And then he continued. So, you know, it's interesting even, you know, to go on Vlas platform and do that is interesting because, like, black people are going to hear that. He doesn't care. Yeah.

He doesn't care about y'all. And if you watch the entire clip, if you watch the entire clip, what they talked about in the clip is, you know, the fact that Eddie Murphy did a lot of roles that were written for characters. that weren't necessarily black. Like Beverly Hills Cop was a movie that wasn't written for necessarily a black character, but Eddie Murphy put himself into that role. And a lot of times you want to be known just for being an actor or just for being whatever.

I've never understood that. Like when I'm... I haven't either. No, when I'm podcasting, black podcasting. When I'm watching Brazzers, black porn fan. you can call me black whatever. It doesn't matter. If he would have said,

I just want to be known as Neil sometimes. Perhaps there's a world. I've heard other people say that where I can be like, whatever. But ghetto-fied, the conversation, ghetto-fied, I tried to shoot my brother some bill.

Neil, you need to apologize, you need to tell us what you meant. This is an official invitation for Neil. I'm going to hit black. This is an official invitation for Neil deGrasse Tyson to come on higher learning and explain what he meant by ghetto five. You don't want to have him more. I don't need him to explain it. He was very, he was very thorough in what he just said.

I know, but we have to live in a world where people talk about things. Just like, I mean, they gave Tommy Tupperville a bunch of different conversations to explain to us about, you know, what our American is. I would like to have this is the olive branch for Neil de Krasse, not the olive branch, this is the opportunity for Neil deGrasse Tyson to come on here with two ghetto motherfuckers and ghetto fire himself by talking about black shit. He would never. Oh, he, I think he would. We'll reach out to Neil deGrasse Tyson.

First question is define ghetto fide. I want to know. You've ghetto fired the situation. I want to know. And then do you like being black? You do know your black? Do you consider yourself black? I'm telling you, these guys think freedom is whiteness.

The two words are so synonymous for them that they think the only way to be free is white. They don't want to be black free. They don't want to be free as a black person. They want to be white, feeling out that don't make them free. Being white is not the goal. That's not the goal. No. Being free as a black person is the goal.

Secret Invasion is a show right now that's on Disney Plus, and it's about the scrolls. The scrolls are a race of aliens that come from scrollers to here on Earth. And they can shape shift. They can change. So you never know if you're talking to, you could be a scroll right now, right? And the scrolls have a motto.

the scroll faction that's trying to take everything over. They have a motto. It's called home in their own skin. Because the other scrolls, a lot of them would be living on earth, looking like other people for the entire time. And they're like, okay, well, that's what we got to do if we live on this planet.

But there are other scrolls that like, they want to be home in their own skin. They want to look green. To me, every human being should want to be home. in their own skin. You don't want proximity to whiteness making you free. You want to be free as a black person, Neil.

So when someone calls you a, when you don't want to be judged as a black scientist, what you're essentially saying is the only way for somebody to judge me fairly is to disregard a very essential part of who I am. So your team grovick.

My team, Grovich. Gravick trying to kill a bunch of people. I wouldn't do it that way. Okay. Where is the pat on the back that I knew that? You watched the show. I was impressed. I was impressed.

I thought honestly that I had said the name. I thought I had to say it. That's actually impressed. He did not say the name, right? No. That's actually impressed. How do you know that? Seriously.

I'm watching the show. Oh, wow. Rachel, see, that's one of me. So you watched the show. So you know what I'm talking. I've got Disney Plus to watch the show. I did the interview for Secret Invasion. I knew nothing.

about it. I've never seen anything Nick Fury. But I did all my research because I am so obviously not well-versed in Marvel. And I did all this research. I found it so interesting. And I watched the first episode. And I was like, I'm going to keep watching this. This is really interesting. You like it. But you understand. Scrolls. I understand it. I understood everything that you said. And it felt good. It felt good. I know exactly what you were talking about. Also, Brian and I have started our Marvel journey. We watched the first Captain America movie. Okay.

And we are now in the middle of the second one. Oh, wow. Yeah, that's a great movie. Civil War. No, no, no. There's one in between. Winter soldier. Yeah, yeah.

Winter soldier. Yeah, that's a great movie. All right, there's a sea otter that is terrorizing surfers. It's a five-year-old female seater with a growing reputation for confronting surfers and kayakers. Obviously, I'm on her side. onlookers in the video can be heard laughing and jest at the service misfortune, but the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service says that the otter poses a public safety risk. Rachel, are you team otter or team surfing?

Well, I know you're proud. Of course. I didn't really pick a team, but if I must, I'm going to pick the otter because I feel like the only reason the way the otter, the only reason that the otter is acting in that way is because in some way she feels threatened. Maybe someone is messed with her before. And she is merely just defending her home. I know you're shocked to hear me say that. I know you're shocked to hear me. No, no, I know why you're saying. I'm coming around. I'm coming around. Why? You're saying it because it's a female. If this was a male honor. I didn't know it was a woman. I thought you chose to to deem it a woman. I don't know.

If this was a male otter, you'd be like it was acting aggressive and it needs to be put down. Yes. You got to go. And that's the energy that I'm bringing next Monday to the summit of the sexist. Oh, Monday, Summit of the Sexes. Donnie, real quick, before we get to mailback. Summit of the Sexes is happening Monday. Donnie, are you ready? I'm so ready. I'm excited.

Me and Ashley's going to be there. Are tickets still available? Chloe's going to be there? No, they're not. They got scooped up real quick. So no more. I appreciate the enthusiasm. No more tickets available for the Summit of the Sexes.

But you guys, it's going to be a shit show. Friends are coming in. I think they land tomorrow or maybe Saturday. And we're going to have a lot of fun on some of the sexes, guys. You guys aren't going to want to miss it. My friends land Saturday, too. Are you guys going to get all hyped up and watch waiting to exhale and the Joy Look Club all weekend long? That's a great idea.

It should. You should. We'll see. Those are men hate. We need to watch more men hating movies. waiting to exhale isn't a manhating movie? No, I don't feel. I wouldn't categorize it as that.

Would you, Donnie, Ashley? Ashley, do you consider waiting to exhale man hating? No. You guys, hold on for us. Ashley. Real quick. No, no, no. Seriously.

I would not say, to me, that movie is more about friendship and sisterhood than it is man hating. I would not demon in that way. Okay. Let's talk about this real quick. Because not every man is bad in the movie. How many men are good?

They don't hate on every man. How many men are good in waiting to X-L? Gregory Hines. He's good. So is her son. Why can I think of his name right now? Donald Faison. He don't count.

Why not? Because he doesn't count. Fine. Wesley Snipes. I wouldn't say that he's good. He was, why was he bad? Why was he bad? Okay.

So I'm not saying he's necessarily bad, but I'm saying that he was married and he was cuddling with Whitney Houston while his wife has Cancel. Facts. Okay. First off, did you not see the movie? Wesley Snipes was not with Whitney Houston. He meets Angela Bastard at the bar.

But he was married. He was married. He was married. Okay, but it's not a man-hating movie. Waiting to Exhale is definitely first of all, I like Way into Exhale. Every black man that 90% of the

black men that show up at Wayne to Exhale are fucking asshole. are fucking assholes. There's two. Wendell Pierce. Shout out to Winnell. Friend of the show. Right.

Wendell Pierce. Okay. Oh, the guy that Lila Roshan is dating who I cannot be able. Michael T. Williamson. And the Allstate guy. Dennis Haysbred.

Okay. All three of those guys are just. Oh, shit. Leon. Damn. Leon. Okay. But those are. Let me have a.

Leon in the movie is bad. And I'm not even trying, I'm not saying that this is bad, but I'm saying the Giancarlo Esposito character in the movie for the time that the movie came out, when they were portraying him, like he's gay, they were actually,

should I forget about him. That was being portrayed in a specific light to me, as if literally all black men either ain't shit or they're gay. Like that you have, the only guys that came along in the movie that were okay. Donnie adds us to the rundown. The only guys that came along

and waiting to exhale that were deemed okay were Gregory Heinz. That's it. Everybody else had a fatal flaw. That's not true. That's fact. Donnie, add it. I'm telling you.

We will watch winning the exhale before it. come in. I want to be fully equipped because I already know you're not right because you tried to put Whitney with with Wesley. Number one, I just forgot. But I just forgot was Angela Bassett. But Wesley Snipes, they have this little meeting, they go back and forth

and then he tells her, I'm married. Like literally, like every if Wade to Exhale isn't a manhating movie, then there's no such thing as a man hating movie. Who's the guy that Whitney goes on the date with

he might have been a bad guy too remember she goes it's New Year's Eve and she goes to that party he did something dang it I'm not I'm not it's not a manhating movie but the men aren't shit see this is a reverse

Neil deGrasse Tyson is definitely a manhating movie it's about counting on your sisters and things go bad in life oh my gosh and guess who we Hello, Angela Bassett's husband. We forgot about him. Whose car she had to burn and all the clothes?

Oh, yep, yep, yep. We forgot about him. Right. Oh, yeah. Completely forgot about him. That's Michael Beach. He's the main bad, motherfucker. He's the main.

And I'll be honest. It's been tough to like him between that and soul food. It's been tough. Michael Beach is the man. But look, this is all I'll say. Okay. This is all I'll say about the movie, okay, is I'm not saying necessarily that I have a problem waiting to exhale. I happen to like waiting to exhale very much. I like the movie a lot. But, and I hate to do this, if I was to make a movie and every black woman in the movie wasn't

shit, it would be a problem, man. Waiting to exhale is like, the tip drill video where everyone was mad about the portrayal of black ladies in the tip drill video, but at least them women in the video had some agency because they were doing what they wanted to do. But in this

particular movie, these guys were written this way. It's a man-hating movie. It's a black man-hating movie. I'm going to give you four words, the show it's not. What? One of the most famous lines. in that movie, he's a good man, Savannah.

Is that five words? He's a good man. I just Charles Barkley did. He's a good man, Savannah. Let me tell you what my favorite line from that movie is, three words. You raggedy bitch when he was drunk and he came to her house. Oh, my God. You raggedy bitch.

Have a fruit bowl, bitch. It was just like That was funny. It was funny He was a funny character. He was a funny character. He was a funny character. All right.

I was going to introduce you to your, I was going to take you to introduce me with my mama. He was so drunk. He was, what do you mean? He was high. He was like, he was like how crack.

Yeah. All right. Wait next time was a man hate movie. Anyway, Mel back. Mailback time. Time to read your letters. And then we.

We'll reply to them. Oh, it's mailback time. Write us with your queries and we'll chime in. First one comes from Cool Cucumber. They ask, what's an unpopular opinion that you ask, right? I'm thinking. I feel like I have a lot of them. They've come out on this podcast.

an unpopular opinion. You go. You got one? I mean, I have a lot of unpopular opinions. Donnie, you have one? I didn't like the latest mission of possible movie that much. I don't know. An unpopular opinion that I have.

Obviously, oh, obviously you guys know it, the opinion that, you know, all your mama should be out there having as much sex as they can. That's an unpopular opinion. It's not an unpopular opinion. People just didn't want to hear you be so explicit in how in talking about it. That's what that was. Y'all mama's gave blow jobs. Go over it. All right. Donnie, what's in a popular opinion that you have? I'm struggling to come up with one. That isn't like, that's a problem.

I mean, I know I have some, but I'm struggling to come up with one that like is interesting. The one that comes to mind you saying Mission Impossible is that Top Gun Maverick was not a good movie, but people like love that. Donnie, it was a good movie. I think it doesn't deserve the hype. Maybe that's hyperbole saying it's not a good movie, but not worthy of the hype and praise. Oh, I have a lot. I have a popular opinion. I watched the first Captain Marvel.

It was okay. And I'm struggling. And I'm struggling. And I'm struggling to continue. down my Marvel journey. I'm not excited about it. That's fun. You know what?

My unpopular opinion is my unpopular opinion is that I feel like Tupac's music, even his raps, were better than Biggies. Nah, I can't say that. I don't believe that.

I like Tupac better, but Biggie rap better. I was about to try to go there for you guys on some real, like, hot, shit, but nobody really rap like Big, man. I like Pock's music better, though. I like Pock's music better than Biggie's music. But I think people would say that.

But like, big rap better than Pock, man. I was going to try to go there on some shit, but that's not even real. Donnie, next one. Can't do it. Can't be that much of all. Next one is the last one. It's from Cove and Casual. They asked, if Brownie, Copper, and Bozeman were

featured in an animated movie, which actors would you like to see voice them? Well, I'm trying to think of what I think copper's voice sounds like in real life. I think I would want like Michael B. Jordan to voice copper. You can make noises all you want. And for Brownie, I think I'd want, I'm trying to think of a child actor, some child actor, man, who's voice in Bozeman. Lakeith Stansfield

perfect that's Bozily Wozily right there Lakeith Lakeith Lakeith Michael B. Jordan and

who's Brownie's voice give me a young a young black actor oh no no you know who I want the kid he's not a kid anymore now he's grown from blackish

Oh my God. Hold on for a second. I have to, this just popped up. According to the chief negotiator, Duncan Crabtree Ireland, we talked about him earlier in the podcast. Part of the groundbreaking AI proposal from the studios was this.

They proposed that background actors should be able to be scanned, get paid for one day's pay, and their company should own that scan, their image, their likeness, and be able to use it for the rest of eternity in any project they want with no compensation. That's what the studio said?

That was a part reportedly. That was a part of the studio's groundbreaking AI proposal. That is, that shows a fantastic degree of hubris. That is amazing. That is, that's impressed. I'm so impressed this podcast. I'm impressed with Tommy Tuberville. I'm impressed.

I'm so impressed. It's really impressive. So they're not trying to negotiate at all. We own you in perpetuity. Digital slavery. That's exactly what that is. Digital. That's wild.

Digital slavery. Literally, digital slavery. It's in. Same. All right. We're going to keep abreast of what happens. Just let you guys know we both live in Los Angeles. So this town is going to be attraction for a while.

I really hope you guys like reality shows. I hope that you enjoy them because you're about to get parking attendant reality shows. You're about to get reality shows about postmates delivery people. It's just amazing. Tell you 10 caps off, but do not stop learning on Van Lathan Jr. Can you hear us? close out the podcast. Just close it out.

I'm sorry. It's fine. It's cool. We'll be back next week. Bye, y'all.