Higher Learning with Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay - Self-Healing, WNBA Salaries, and What Jerrod Really Meant

Episode Date: April 19, 2024

Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay bring in the new episode with a new theme, a different location, and a talk about self-healing. Then, they discuss Jerrod Carmichael’s clarification of his “race-play” joke (21:10) and the pay gap between players in the WNBA compared to those in the NBA (54:36). Lastly, they give their props to the Gayle King–Charles Barkley show (1:11:39) and talk about their impressions of the Jontay Porter situation (1:13:50 ). Hosts: Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay Producer: Ashleigh Smith Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Yo, yo, yo, thought warriors. What is up? Hilaria is on. Zy van Lathan. And it's me, Rachel and Lindsay. Rachel, I have a question for you. I haven't answered. Maybe.

What lake? No. You don't even know. It's a pop quiz? It's not a pop quiz. It's something that just popped up in my email. Okay, what lake? Which lake could hold millions in gold.

It's from interesting facts. Is it in this country? I don't know. I don't, I think this. This is spam. I don't know why I even asked you. Seven mysterious hidden treasures. The 33, oh, the 33 hottest inventions of 2024.

Well, want to see what they are? No. Interesting facts. Why am I reading this spam? I don't know. You just keep going. You went from one thing to the next. The photo stick Omni.

Van, how are you? How was your birthday? It sucked. Okay. This Debbie, downer, negative ned, attitude has got to stop. You know what's funny is I'm losing my mind and nobody can tell, and that's hilarious. You don't think people notice something's off?

They can't. I'm telling you I'm too good. I'm too good. Like, I'm too good at it. And I'm also just quirky enough to where when I snap, which is coming, when I completely rips. So what can we do to stop the bleeding? Nothing. Just let it happen. When I, like when I, because it'll be better, when I snap, when it, when it, when it completely frays and pulls apart, it'll just, it'll, people will be like, Jesus Christ, when they didn't see anything.

But because I'm just quirky enough regular to make. So like when things happen, people don't really, they don't really pick up for them. If you want to be honest, you seem off. You've seamed off. Yeah. So I don't know how well. of a job you're doing. Nah.

But I mean, they don't know. Obviously, I don't know the depths of it. They don't know. You know who probably knows more than anybody? Reddit. Reddit might know.

There are probably several threads. Is Van Nu. Is Van Nu? No, man. I'm exhausted. You're traveling again? I got to travel again. I got three cities coming up.

Oh, my gosh. I got Minneapolis. And then I got Denver. And then I got D.C. Okay. So I leave from Minneapolis, Monday, and then D.C., the weekend, and then I come back for a little bit, and then I go to Denver.

Are you doing anything fun? Doing whatever I have to do. Working? I'm doing the stuff. Denver may be where you crack, the altitude. Denver? Is it going to be hard to breathe and stuff? No, no, no, no.

It's not as high as, like, an Aspen. So what goes, why is it? But I just feel like maybe that might be where you. Does it fuck with you? Does Denver fuck with people? Alitude, yeah. I would like to go to Denver so I can hate on the nuggets. I fucking hate the nuggets.

I hate them. I hate the whole team. It's about 5,300 feet above sea level. So what does that mean? That's why it's called the Mile High City. I understand this. Okay, I get it. The question is, how's it gonna affect me?

Why are you saying that's where I'm gonna snap? I just feel like that might be the thing that throws you off. Have you ever had altitude sickness before? No. What happens? I've never had it, but you actually, I've been affected a little bit by it. Like, sometimes you get short of breath, you get a little nauseous, kind of feeling like a little vertigo. Vertigo.

Not as hungry. Hard to drink. Where do you go? Where were you in this happened? Aspen and Vale. You're in Aspen and Vale. You're like, oh, my God, I don't want to have a piece of pork. You know, you just drink and keep it moving.

I say, I don't want to have a port. That's how we know. That's the test of whether or not you have. Ashley said make sure you lotion up before Denver. and drink a lot of water. Because that's that. Ashiness? And the water for altitude sickness.

Yeah, it's, it's, I'm a little, I'm a little off. You know what else has got me off? What? The shittiness of this era. Are you shitting on the generation? No. Because I'm a part of it. Well, no, you're not a part of this new generation.

No, I'm not talking about the new generation. It's not one group of people. Is it the thing? I'll get closer to the mic. Is it the things that we care about? You're eating on the thing. No, I'm not. Don't tell people that.

People who were listening would not know. They would not know. Not everybody watches. They're watching it. Why are you got? And I have nothing in my mouth right now. You're eating a bee. I need it.

You're eating on the thing. You couldn't have eaten those grapes before you got here on the car. You were eating bacon. Nigger, your birthday, your birthday. Your breakfast was bacon and grapes. That's one of my favorite things to eat for breakfast. Oh, my God, bacon and grapes for breakfast. your pork-based diet has to be examined.

I don't have bacon every day. How much? How often would you say that you eat bacon? Oh, wait. Oh, okay, I had bacon on Tuesday. I only had it twice this week. Two weeks? And then did you have other pork products?

No. No pork? No, I didn't. No, I didn't. I've been having chicken. Look at you. And I had shrimp. Yeah.

Where's what were we talking about? I can remember. Okay. Not pork. Oh, this era. Is it because you're frustrated with the things that we care about that we put place emphasis on? Because I find that a little... No, I think I am...

I think the thing that frustrates me is this. Okay, so I know that I come off like a know-it-all. But it's only... That only happens because of my disagreeable way of communicating. I am desperately insecure. Okay, so I communicate in a forceful way. Okay. So do I.

And that makes people feel like I'm asserting some sort of intellectual dominance on them. When people say the phrase like, you're stating your opinion like it's fact. Right. That's what did like that. The only reason why that happens is because I do a lot of work. Like, part of the exhaustion that I'm going through right now and it's the first time in life to where I've really, really dealt with being tired, right? I can't stop.

I keep going. I keep going. I got to suck it up. Keep going, all right? Lose and pause. Fuck it. I keep going. But I do a lot of work, man.

I try because I care about, and I get things wrong all the time. But I care about fucking knowing what I'm talking about. But I care about at least having some intellectual skin in the game of a conversation. Okay. And that is gone. And we have contrarianism that is being passed off as knowledge. We have stanism that's being passed off as genuine intellectual opinion and criticism. We have tribalism that's being passed off as a point of view.

And what we don't have are just people that look at things and talk about them in good faith anymore. And I am as much a slave to bias as anyone else. But I at least make the attempt to not be a real. ridiculous dick rider, a fucking sheep, a part of a flock, and a part of a group for better or worse. It just seems like all the time I'm having conversations and people are not willing to make even the smallest concessions about points that make them feel even slightly uncomfortable.

Like when I say slightly uncomfortable, slightly uncomfortable, have you considered is the beginning of it, right? And the whole Candace Owens thing from a couple of weeks ago, it's deeply disappointing the more I think about it. The more I think about it is just deeply disappointing to, like, have this conversation and approach this in a way that completely sanitizes and washes away years and years and years of consistency. But from her, I don't want to make it all about her, but like... It's just an example. It's just we have to talk about things and reorganize things in ways that are intellectually false.

And if you don't do it, you're seen as a bad student. of discussion when there are certain realities and then there are certain things that aren't true. Last thing before I get off this. Like I, and maybe things have always been like this and I'm sure that they have been. I read an article on Yahoo about truth social and it was about people that have invested into truth social.

They keep losing their fucking money. And they keep investing. They keep investing. losing their money. Truth Social has lost something like $5 billion since its IPO. I never knew that. They keep losing their money. But as soon as any of them complain about the fact that it keeps going down and down and down and down,

and down, other people who are investing jump on them and say, Are you being overly critical? There's like a little three-letter term that they use for people who aren't on the ship. Like, fuck. So you mean to tell me if you're one of these cooks that has invested, and you're fucking stupid, if you're one of these cooks that has invested into something that Trump and the rest of his cronies told people was going to be worth a trillion dollars, and you see that you continue to lose your money, If you actually look up and go, hey, I'm losing bread.

Is anything going to change? We're talking about regular people who put $20,000, $30,000, $40,000 of their own money into this. And they're losing bread. Some people, $1,000, $2,000 of their own money into it. And, like, they're not allowed to be like, or we come down on them. And even with us here, when we're talking about our disillusionment with political parties, when we're talking about things that are obviously true. We just can't even have the conversation that's draining to me

because I come on the podcast all the time, and I spend a lot of my time both diving into information, but also trying to figure out how to say it in a way that won't trigger people in a world that is perpetually triggered because every fucking day we open our shit and we see dogs getting a run over and pestilence and plagues and Dubai and all of that shit. So everybody's on edge.

It's just a lot of work. And it's taking the toll on me because I try. Now, there's a lot of other stuff going on, a lot of personal stuff that's happening. And it's a lot of things that's going on. It's shit. So it's very, I turned 44 and all overnight I felt old. But at the same time, I just be honest with you, I'm tired of sugar-coating what I know,

to be true for a lot of these motherfuckers. Okay, so stop. I think, I think, no, it does, it's not impossible to sugarcoat. I don't know. You know why I don't know, because I don't do what you do. Liar! I don't do what you do with the thing. You, not, of course, you research and so you can be knowledgeable and communicate it a certain

way, but what you also do that I don't do is have, you take these conversations outside of the podcast and you have them with people, whether it's in social media, whether it's with your friends. You keep these conversations going. That's exhausting. You're gladiator. And you're trying to convince them of something that, you know, you believe and know to be true,

and they're coming at you not on the same level because they're not as researched or well-versed or whatever it may be. And that's frustrating. But you do it all the time. I like it. I don't do that. No, you don't like it. Look, it's wearing on you. You talked about unraveling.

Somebody pulled on your string before you walked into the store because that 30-minute, that 30-minute rant. is a tribute to it. Which I'm glad you got it off your chest. That's the space for higher learning. You ever see Beetle Juice? Come on. I've only seen the part where they dance around the table.

So Beetle Juice is a freak. And let me tell you why. I was watching Beal Juice last night because I was watching movies to make me feel good. Is that one that makes you feel good? Yeah, Beal Juice makes me feel good. And when I was watching Beetle Juice, I noticed something that Beetleju said when he was singing the song, Beel Juice said, I'll eat anything you want me to eat

I'll swallow anything you want and swine. Come on down now. We talked about this. People's juice as nasty as shit. Why was he saying that? Can you have context to that? Hold on. I got to find the song.

I'll eat anything, yeah. No. Oh, it's a commercial listen. So, say it runs. See it drives. Third time of charm. And remember, I'll eat anything. You want me to eat.

I'll swallow anything. You want me to smoke. Come on down. Out. Chew on a dog! What is it advertising? He's advertising his fucking services as a spiritual... What is he?

He's like a demon, though, that gets rid of living people. Beal Juice is a human exorcist. Interesting. So if you are a ghost and you're having problems with the living, Beetlejuice gets rid of the living people by terrorizing them so that they leave. And in the movie, Gina Davis and Alec Baldwin, They don't know their ghost, right? And that's a twist?

No, wrong. You're wrong. You're confusing this with either the others or six cents. Both I've seen. Both I have seen so possibly true. Right. You're confusing with this. No, but at first they don't know,

but then they walk outside and there's a big sandworm and they can't leave the house. They confine to the house. They don't realize that they drowned in a thing. Then Beal Juice has to... They drowned at the beginning of the movie. They're trying to drive across the thing and the fucking... They...

He yanks the wheel to avoid a dog. And then the car falls into... Oh, wow. The river or the lake or whatever. And then they drown in it. And then they come back to their house. And they don't realize the time is past their ghost. and then they have to get rid of the people that moved in

because they had just built the house or they were just fixing the house up. It was their dream house and then they tried to get Beal juice. Anyway, look, here's the thing. Why did you bring up the eat anything you want me to eat? I feel like you were going somewhere. No, no, no. It just popped in my mind.

There's another thing that's happening. Like last night I had a dream. Guys. It just popped to my mind. Last night I had a dream that I went to Jamaica and I was in Jamaica. And a guy tried to break into the house I was staying in in Jamaica. And I shot him in the chest with a sawed-off shotgun.

He wouldn't die. I keep saying this, nigga, everywhere I went. I went to the store to try to get... What did he look like? Black dude baldhead. Wouldn't die. Shot him in the chest. What?

What? Who is it? Oh, shut up. Black dude, baldhead. I shot him in the chest. He wouldn't die. I went to the fucking, I went to the store to try to buy something.

And he was there, like asking for money. And I was looking at him. I'm like, I killed you. And then he was like, no, you didn't, man. He was speaking Jamaican like. And then to put, Okay, last thing before you leave, the police then came over and they said, oh, you killed him? And I'm like, yeah, I killed him a couple of nights ago.

And they go, okay, you're arrested. So then they take us both to the police station. And he's laughing the whole way. Ha, ha, you thought you killed me. Ha, ha, you thought you killed me. And then I'm sitting down and the police go, we got to take your gun. They take my gun and they give me a television antenna. Okay, so I'm going to interpret your dream.

Okay, let's go. I take this to mean that every time you try to escape your problems and you try to fight it off, whatever you're currently going through, it keeps coming back. That is what I'm going to take that of. You try to shoot it away. You try to leave the house. Go distract yourself doing something else.

And the problem keeps coming up. so you got to deal with it. Whatever your issue is, whatever the problem is, you need to face it head on and you need to deal with it. You can't violently get rid of it. You can't escape it and think it's going to go away. You got to deal with it head on.

You know when you said that? You know what I started thinking about? Every time I try to leave and bringing to pulling me back, me back telling me I need you in my... You know that joint? Yes, I do know it. Now music, yes.

I can usually know. That's what's going on, Van. Deal with whatever it is you're going through. Ah, who knows? When I snap... I'll tell you guys, I'll tell you one thing. When I snap, though... You're in the process.

You are snapping. Oh, it's... It's an active thing. You guys don't understand. My brain is being pulled apart. Like, when it happens, I'm going to enjoy it. It's going to be y'all that's going to be, like, all upset about it. Why don't you just...

Before you... Keep forgetting, I'm not on the mic. Before you go out of town again... Because you're eating the grapes. Stop that, Van. Before you go, before you go out of town again, why don't you just, like, take a break? No. See, I...

You won't get out of your way. It doesn't serve anyone. How can I take a break? Serving you! How can I take a break when everybody needs something? It doesn't serve anyone. No one gives a fuck if I take a break. How could I take a break when everybody has to have something?

We're going to redirect the podcast. Everyone has to have something. Everyone needs something. Do you ever tell people no? I try to. And do you say no again? Yeah. Okay, you know, laugh at it and make fun of it.

I'm a middle child. I'm used to being a people pleaser. Yeah, but that's different, though. And I had to learn, no, I'm not saying I have the same problems as you. My point is I have a really hard time letting people down and not doing what they asked of me. And then once I did that first big no, all y'all. But it's It's also like

You know I don't know It's it's it's all me I'll figure it out All right On the other side of this Girard Carmichael Explains

The joke about Slave Play with this white boyfriend The fuck is going on Guys We're going to turn this podcast Into a healing session Because It's happening

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he talked about a joke or he made a joke on the show. You made a joke on the show. And it was about a joke that he says to his boyfriend. Yes, about a master slave relationship. Master slave relationship. And here on this podcast and other places, people were rightly outraged, in my opinion. Took it to mean it was roleplay in the sexual way. Roleplay in the sexual way.

Sex massa. Drum. You saw Drum. I didn't see Drum, but I'm aware of it thanks to you. Okay. What's the main character's name again? And drum? Drum.

Oh. I haven't seen it Okay, so this is what we're going to do Ho Down Party Saturday Emphasis on the Oh Before this party

You come to the crib We watch your drum Pretty hair is going to be in town I would love to show pretty hair drum I think she can handle it Do you have it purchased? I can purchase it The movie is available for purchase

You can stream drum But this is what drum Mandingo My dad Rest in peace to my dad I wish I could ask him for advice right now Rest in peace to him He was so into these

Drum mandingo like movies I wonder if something was going on With my dad where he liked To see Like white slave Master ladies Get dominated by black man If there was some kind of weird

Freak shit Black dot com before this because he loved a movie like that was set in that time, like a black exploitation slave movie where these brothers was having sex with these white women. Well, I'm sure the movie was more than that. Not really. I mean, it's more than that, but whatever, moving on.

Play the audio from Gerard Carmichael, Ashley. You played a clip of my stand-up, but it started at the punchline, and it completely erased the setup of it, and I really don't like that. it made it seem like I was talking like I'm into some type of race, sexual, slavery, roleplay with my boyfriend, which is untrue. It's so false. And I expect that type of thing from TMZ because they have no humanity.

They don't care about the people that get hurt when they report these sort of things, but you're a friend. So I really didn't like that. Like, I know you repeated it in the Neal interview. I didn't like that. That was very, very unfair. It was a joke. I saw that clip, though. But yeah, but I need you to watch the show.

And anybody who watches the show. No, it's not what I said. It's so false. It's so untrue. And I don't like that because it's like, no, no, we'll get into that later. It's a joke about reading. It has nothing to do with my boyfriend. It has nothing like the sex that we have.

It has nothing to do with sex. It's something that like people have been reporting on and I really, really don't like it. It's about my boyfriend reading so much. He makes me feel insecure about my level of reading. And look, I get it. It's something that people have been running with because, one, because I have a white boyfriend. so like people like try and create some type of crazy story out of that. Like, and it's a small group of people, really, like I read all the tweets and it's like some gay black men and some Ku Klux Klan members who don't like that I have a white boyfriend.

They agree on that. So congratulations. Like the clan and Dr. Umar and, you know, some people find some common ground on that. But he's a human being. He deserves respect. I deserve respect. I don't appreciate things being misreported. it or like said about them in that way it's completely false so i i don't like that i just want to

make that clear that's that it's not something i i know you were just reading the news but like you're a friend and i want you to like actually have nuance with these stories like look i'm a human being and like people are people can get hurt they're actually real lives at stake with the things that you say and look come after me that's fine but don't come after like my my boyfriend who is i don't think we came at your boyfriend oh we know well i'm saying when that's in the headline and that's reported, like, and then misreported, like, oh, he's into race, slave play with his white boyfriend. I don't like that headline, because it's false. It's not true at all.

Now, on to Dave Chappelle. No, I want to stay to the joke, though. In context, the joke's still not a good joke. Well, that's on you. I've been a professional community for a while. I got so. Because you're still saying you're a slave. No.

He's a slave master. And his slave master is teaching the slave to read. You know, listen, I'm talking about my own personal insecurity. I'm an educated person. I'm usually the smartest person in the room. he reads so much it makes me feel like oh do I even know how to read that joke works if I had a black boyfriend my boyfriend with black that joke actually works better if I had a white boyfriend and you're black and you're the white person is the slave listen if you are and you're from North Carolina where you know the first anti-literacy laws were created in North and South Carolina sure sure sure but that's not my role as a comedian to start getting into like like literacy laws and stuff like that you've completely lost that I evoke provocative imagery sometimes in my jokes some people are very sensitive to that that's you're right you don't have to to laugh at that. You could like hear the word slavery and completely shut off. That's completely fine. But don't misconstrue what I said and don't like make it into something that it's not

because that's where I start to get offended. Put the joke in there too, Ashley. Like just to remind everybody what the joke is. Let's go back. Let's go back and let's actually do that now in real time. He makes me smarter. He makes me read. Like, you know, I have so many books, too many books. Like, more but really, I don't even read all the damn books. Like, he, he knows. He knows. But like the fact that I bought him says I love you. They're like just little monuments to him around my apartment. They're like, look at this book from Amazon that I'm never going to read. I sometimes joke to him that like our relationship is like that of like a slave and the master's son who like

teaches me how to read by candle like yeah he groans too because he's a good person. He doesn't like that joke. I like that joke. I like that joke. That's my burden. I think that's hilarious. Yes, sir? Maria Tonezza, I don't know what that is.

You know, that's a joke. That's for me. Rachel, you went back and watched the whole thing. What did you think? I have the same opinion. Why? And I feel like, and again, who am I to tell Gerard what he meant by that joke?

But if that had been a standalone joke, then maybe I could understand what it was that he was saying. If I was at his stand-up and he's just telling that joke, then maybe I would say, oh, the references, you know, the reading and him being insecure about how much his boyfriend reads and it makes him feel like the way he described it of a master-slave relationship. But when you couple that joke with everything that he has done, because that's episode two in the first two episodes,

and the themes, the underlying themes of the show, which are sex, interracial relationships, as well as other themes too. To me, when you put all that together, and he does use the word role play earlier, when you put all that together, how would you not deduce from that that an audience would say,

hey, he's talking about roleplay in a sexual way. He's acting out mass of slave, whether it's in a reading context. When you watch the joke in full context. I knew he was talking about it in a reading context, but still I thought it was for play for sex. I still thought, oh, this is what we do to get in the mood for sex. That's how I coupled it all together. Maybe if I, again, if I wasn't watching it in the show and how that whole episode goes, I would have seen it in a different way.

But to me, I have to tie sex into it because of how the rest of the show, episode three is not like that, but episode one and two are. Yeah. episode three demonstrates one of the most devastating acts of poor friendship that I've ever seen before in my life which he acknowledges A Gerard Carmichael is

the show is brutally honest to the point to where episode three I started to hate that nigga I wonder if he still has that friendship with that friend well they seemingly got it right at the end he told he said that so spoiler alert if you haven't watched it

his friend comes to visit him I'm not talking about her. I'm talking about the guys fucking wedding who he missed. Well, you said they get it right in the end. I came back and apologized. Whatever. Who knows? He said he hasn't talked to him since.

Wrong. You didn't watch the whole thing. I did. Liar! If you had watched the whole thing, you'd have seen that at the end he pops up on this guy in Atlanta and he goes to visit him and he, yeah, you didn't watch it. Oh, maybe I didn't. He didn't finish it.

You know what happened? You had a P.P. A pork passout. You were watching the show. You were fucking halfway through. I think I stopped halfway through. An Oscar Meyer pack of honey-baked ham. Ew, no.

Because you just eat those. You just pop those. Mm-mm. I used to. I used to do. I used to. Bang, bang, bang. Like a chip.

I used to as well. I just eat them. I'd be like, nigga, stop putting you a fuck. Anyway. What was when you heard the joke? Like, were you... So I didn't see that whole episode When I heard the joke.

Okay. So you were basing it off of just what we played. The clip. And I do think he's got a point that it's kind of... The joke is... So you're right and he's right. You're right in that the show depicts him not just with his boyfriend.

A sexual deviant. But self-admittingly, right? He's talking about cheating on his boyfriend. He's on the phone with his boyfriend. I love you. And then an episode ends. and he's like swiping on Grindr. This is, he's saying I'm like a 17-year-old.

I'm, I'm new to this. So he's talking about how, like, horny and stuff he is. Maybe sexual deviant's harsh. Whatever. That's how you felt. I respect it. This is what I'm saying. This is a cavalcade of white.

Like, the guys that Dr. Gar-Armichael is with on the show is like the fucking cast of Black Hawk down. It's just a dislike fucking entourage. It's a cavalcade of white men. All shapes and sizes. Tall white guys. White guys with mustaches. Short white guys.

Doey white guys. Lean white guys. All different types of white guys. He got some Chris Pines in there. He got some Chris Evans in there. You know what I'm saying? He's got different types of whites. White's got a Chris Prater to in there.

He's going for white. is what I'm saying. And so when you see that, a lot of people are already uncomfortable with his assortment of what? And then on top of that, you see him make a joke. The joke is coming from a place of distrust

because you don't trust that he properly loves on himself and black people. Now, I'm going to apologize to Gerard Carmichael for something. Okay. For two things. I'm going to apologize to Dr.

Gar-Arichael for. One is because I did base my opinion off of the clip. And the clip in that way isn't accurate to what he was trying to say. Two, I'm going to apologize to Gerard Carmichael for giving a fuck whether or not he likes white boys or not. I don't fucking care. I've decided something. Couldn't care less. Fuck it.

Like, hey, listen. Fuck all the white people you want. All right. When we call on you, be ready. I don't care. I'm just all I'm saying. Like, it, it, with the amount of things that are actually happening in the world,

for me to give a fuck that Gerard Carmichael just falls into a Walmart in Salt Lake City, Utah, and just fucks all of the white man in there, the fact that he just loves white. as much as he does and he has to fuck every white man that white man that he sees, like you could drop him in the middle of CPAC and his dick would be like insanely hard for the entire conference. What? Whatever.

I bet he, Denmark, Norway, these are his places. Okay. So I'm saying, so, so I'm saying that being the case, that's his fucking business. I don't give a fuck. It's great to apologize. And I am disappointed in myself that I cared that he loves white ass. You know what? You're not the only one who expressed disappointment.

And what I find interesting is a lot of black gay men are very upset with the depiction that they're seeing on this show. Like from people that I talk about or even certain people I listen to or that I read what they write, they are not thrilled at this because of the representation that they feel. feel like doesn't correctly show black gay men. And my response, my initial response was, well, obviously not everyone is the same. He's speaking particularly to his journey in being a black gay man. But I would think that just like every black woman on TV doesn't represent, you know, they're all different. They represent different things.

I would think that an audience person watching that would do the same thing about Girard. Like, oh, well, not all black gay men. And my friends were like, that's not true. It is rare that you see a black gay man in this space. And so for a middle America who doesn't know anybody that's gay or black or black and gay might think, oh, that's how all black gay men are. And that coupled with the fact that HBO has canceled a lot of black content, but this is what you choose to show, has a lot. I want to say a lot.

That's extreme. but several people that I've either listened to or talked to upset with the depiction of black gay men on this, because they don't have a lot of it, which is a point that Gerard makes, which I actually agree with. He's making content that he never saw on TV. He's making content. He said things he wished you would have seen. I'm paraphrasing. But a lot of people are, I keep saying a lot.

Several people are upset. Okay. So we have to put two people, we have to put black people, or people, period. in two different buckets. Okay. And we have to make a decision that once we put these people in these buckets, that we stop devoting our energy to them. Because it's not their energy, it's our energy that gets changed.

There's two buckets. There's the give a fuck it bucket. Okay. And there's the don't give a fuck it bucket. Okay, there are two different buckets. Now, the people that say that they give a fuck, we have to be able to hold them accountable for whether or not they give a fuck.

But if somebody says that they don't give a fuck, we have to be willing to not care. For us, we have to be willing to not care. D'Rourke Carmichael obviously doesn't care about how black gay men are portrayed in this show because if he did care, maybe he would be moving differently. So since he doesn't care, we have to not continually project onto him our care. Okay.

We have to save our criticism and our love and our support and our investment for the people who are saying that they care. Because there's plenty of people who are saying that they care and aren't doing the things that they need to be doing. Okay. So the reason I can't agree with that is because, go ahead, take your time. All right. The reason I can't agree with that is because he doesn't care. He cares about telling his story and doesn't care the impact that it might have on a certain community or how it might affect anybody else. There's power in that.

I get that. The reason why I can't subscribe to the thought of, hey, we have to not care too because he doesn't, is if I apply that to somebody else. You brought up Candace Owens earlier. Candice Owens, now she's on a different, she's singing a different tune. Don't do that. I know, I know it's a trigger for you right now. It's not, but it's not, it's not the same. Why is it not the same? Because she's saying that she cares. That's the difference. What she's saying is, now she's saying.

No. Before she. No. Okay, man. You got one more time to yell at me like that before. I'm going to give you one more temper tantrum. She's saying that she cares. That's the whole problem. She's saying that she cares. She's not saying, hey, I just don't care about what happens to black people. She's saying she deeply cares. And because she deeply cares, she's saying she's offering up the real story of black people

or the actual experience of black people or the way that black people should be acting and reacting and reacting and all of that stuff. She's saying that she cares. I feel like that's a newer narrative. No. I feel like that's a newer narrative. That happened towards the end of her Shapiro days, like maybe within the last couple of years, because people were really calling her out even more so. And obviously in this new narrative where she's trying to brainwash black people. But I feel like when she started out, I feel like she didn't really care.

No, she was incessantly led. She wrote a book called Blackout. Yes, I know. She led a movement called Blacks it. I know. It was focused on, like, her whole thing is about talking to Blackout. to black people about how she feels like they should be. I believe that she didn't.

If she did, then that takes away the point that I was trying to make. But my point I was trying to make is she doesn't care about black people and she doesn't care how they're perceived and she doesn't care how she represents herself as a black woman. And if I subscribe to what you were saying, then I have to go ahead and say, oh, I don't care how that impacts us as a community or how other people think about us. But if you say that she cares, then that changes what I, my point. But this is what I'm saying, though. This is, to me, honestly, to me, honestly, this is the right argument.

The right argument is who cares, who doesn't, and how we negotiate that. That's the right argument. But from someone that says, hey, I'm just me. For example, I'll give you an example of somebody. A Jamie Fox. What about him? Jamie Fox just does his thing. But is it whatever he's doing is it controversial in any way?

Put Jamie Fox in a situation of that's not like a serious cultural voice. Like Jamie Fox, like Jamie Fox, to me, like communicates with us via art. Nobody cares that Jamie Fox dates white women. Nobody cares how safe Jamie Fox is. Nobody cares what Jamie Fox has to say about this. Jamie Fox is so culturally authentic to us to where like we don't, no one's going to be like, hey, we're into this situation. Like, nobody's mad that Jamie Fox

pulls up with a white woman every different time. Nobody cares, right? Nobody cares because Fox is not out here saying, I'm going to save blacks. That's what I'm saying. Fox is not out here saying, I'm going to save Black America. I care about Black people, all of this stuff like that.

I'm not saying he doesn't feel that way. So, but what I'm saying is he's in that kind of bucket, right? The people that are in the bucket that say that they care, but people don't know whether or not they care, Van Jones, like all of those types of people, that's how they feel about him. I'm not saying whether or not they're true or not.

I'm not trying to pick a fight, but all I'm saying is those are the people because then we're having a conversation about best practices. What is the, is there a right way to care? Is there a right way to go about it? Is there a way that goes to go about having tough conversations with black people or moving the culture forward

that is effective and then is there a way to do it that is ineffective? Is there a way to do it that causes harm? Is there a way to do it that might be uncomfortable but needed, right? Yeah. So that to me. But Gerard Carmichael is obviously saying, hey, I don't really care how this is my life.

And boom, I'm out. So stressing out about what he does is just going to make a stress. Not stressing out, it's just a point of conversation because it is content that we hadn't seen before. What I would say about Jimmy Fox, it's not that he, it's not because he's out. he's not out here talking about the cause publicly, even though, yes, we do know he supports it,

it's that he doesn't put his personal life out there. Like, you might see him rolled up because you see a picture with him, but he's not saying, hey, I only date white women, this is what I do. You know, like, I don't mess with black. He's not putting it out there in that way. So he's not as controversial as what we're talking about with Gerard. If he has a reality show and we see a bunch of him

with only white women, then the conversation, I think he would bring a different thing to light. But what I'll say about Gerard is, in response to, You saying we have to negotiate. Girard's living his life and that's the way he wants to live it. And he's like, forget anything y'all have to say. If he in addition said, and this is where I think negotiation happens,

if he in addition said, this is me. And I'm depicting my reality. That's why it's a reality show. But I'm not standing here saying that this is a representation of all black. Why do you have to say that? I'm literally dreaming up a scenario of negotiation. I'm not saying he had to say that. You said you're either in the fucking.

bucket or the fuck it not bucket, whatever. And you said the only way to move things forward is to negotiate. And I am saying that is a form of negotiation. If he's like, if he's in an interview and he's like, I never said that this is what all black gay men do. I'm telling my story. That's what I'm saying. I didn't say he has to.

I'm literally fitting into what you put together. Last thing I say is like a guy like Gambino, right? Yes. Heavily black, black criticism, criticism of America. This is America type situation All of that type of stuff The art speaks to these things People are going to look at him

In a specific way There are people who say Hey I don't want to be involved in that I just want to Will was like that for a very long Will kind of is like that So it's like I don't want to This Smith Damn you forgot the niggas name

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The provost over at USC has announced that the valedictorian won't speak at the graduation because of the conflict in the Middle East. Pretty hair. I said, have you ever seen the movie Drum? She said, I think so. Didn't like it as much as Mandingo. Oh, my God. Didn't like it as much as Mandingo.

I'm telling you, these movies, this is of Pretty Hair's generation. Drumming Mandingo or a sequel to each other. Pretty hair? She surprised me. I'm telling you. So many jokes I can make. I know.

I know. So the office of the provost sent an email Monday to the student body over at USC, announcing that the valeditatorian will not be speaking at this year's graduation. Based on maintaining campus security and safety, that's what the email read. The decision is not only necessary to maintain the safety of our campus and our students, but it's consistent with the fundamental legal obligation. including the expectations of federal regulators that universities act to protect our students and keep our campus community safe.

So, a message to the USC community. The valeditorian's name is Azna Tabassum. She feels like she's abandoned by the university. That's what she said. Anti-Muslim and anti-Palestinian voices have subjected me to a campaign of hatred because of my uncompromising belief in the human rights for all. I was hoping to use my commencement speech to inspire my classmates with a message of hope. By canceling my speech, USC is only caving to fear and rewarding hatred.

She released this in a two-page segment. Okay, in a two-page statement, should I say. Okay. This has become news. Yeah, it's everyone. I saw her on Abby Phillips. I've seen this talked about, volleyed around right now,

obviously in the times that we live in, this is going to be a hot button issue. Rachel, what are your thoughts on this? I mean, I think it's cowardly on the part of USC because I think for someone to work hard for four years and dedicate herself to the school and the community and, you know, to her studies and to represent USC what I think to be in an upstanding way,

it's disappointing that you would take that away from her. I'm sure this is something that she was working towards and looking forward to. And I think that there were other options. You know, she could have, if you were concerned for her safety, because the problem is, is that they're saying that there have been these threats and they're concerned for her safety. But when she and her team inquired about what are those threats, they won't give them anything. They won't give them any kind of information. So they don't, she doesn't even know how she's supposedly supposed to be protected. So in my opinion, there are other options. She could have written a letter. They could have read it. They could

have let her do it in a different location, put her up on screen. It could have been a digital thing. She could have been at a remote location, live doing it. There were other options to give her the opportunity to speak to what she's, her message was supposed to be about hope. So to speak to the students about hope. And they took that away from her. And also, if they were afraid of something that she was going to say, not that I think that they should have been or that they should have changed anything that she had to say, then a letter or, you know, her taping something and playing could have been options as well. And if they're so concerned for her safety, does that mean she can't attend her graduation? Does that mean anybody who's of Palestinian descent or has

spoken in favor of human rights? Does that also mean that their safety is in jeopardy as well? It just is extremely disappointing to see. And when you couple that with the fact that the university was under pressure by groups that support Israel that were calling for her not to be able to and saying that her speech was going to be about anti-Semitism, it's just a shame that this young lady is being subjected to this, which in itself is its own form of hate. USC is lying. Of course.

There have been people that have talked at USC. I think Milo Yonapolis talked at USC not too long ago and there was like well it would have been some time ago his shit is cold as ice now but not to Kanye

and he spoke there he talked there and there was heightened security they checked bags they did all kinds of different stuff and did all different types of things to make sure that people were safe if this were a Jewish student

who had had an opportunity that they had worked for for X amount of years and there was some thought that there would be in some way commentary on what's going on over there

and it was pro-Israel and then they were not allowed to speak because of security reasons this would be a fucking nightmare here. Right.

We wouldn't hear the end of it. Okay. And honestly, the people that I've spoken to, the Jewish people that I've spoken to, are aghast at the decision.

It's bad. This is a shameful, shameful, shameful, shameful moment in the history of USC. Shameful, and completely transparent, completely transparent. And the fact to me that this was not safety,

this was them censoring and manicuring what they feel like they want to be said at their commencement. Everything that we talk about in America is wrapped up in this. Number one, meritocracy. all right, well, what's a bigger meritocracy than the valedictorian? Now, I can find some things that aren't completely merit-based about it, you know, whether or not you have money for tutors and where'd you go and all that different stuff, whatever, whatever, whatever. But look, whoever has the best grades, you get to speak, you're the valeditoria,

you get to talk. It's part of the thing. Boom, boom, boom. So American, meritocracy right there, boom. Because everyone tells us, they keep telling us that over and over again. Number two, freedom of speech. Freedom of speech, freedom to go up there and express yourself, especially when you've earn the right to speak.

We talk about freedom of speech. Like everybody has freedom of speech, say whatever, but there's specific different parts of this country where you have to earn the right to speak. You have to earn the right to talk to someone. You have to earn this out of a pool of people.

She earned it. And she's supposed to be free to say it. That's being taken away. At the very least here, like you said, the onus would be on them. to explain why in this particular case, when there have been controversial speakers

to come to the campus before, why in this particular case, things were so dire that you had to change up doing something that you essentially do every year. Yeah. I'm calling upon people who say that they love free speech and people who say that they love meritocracy

and people who say that they love America and what is earned in. in this country. And people who say that they, that freedom is one of the tenets of our existence here, I want to know why I haven't heard some of these people on this.

I want to know why. I want to know why freedom only, I'm serious. Like I want to, this is the same shit that I'm talking about. This is why I can't let the fucking Kaepernate thing go. Everybody, I can't let it go. Why?

You know why I can't let it go? Because he did some free shit, some free American shit. And then everybody decided it wasn't the right type of freedom. So they kicked them in his fucking ass for it. And then after a while, we just went, oh, they were right to do that. No. What I'm telling you is America isn't about freedom.

It's about the right type of freedom. It's about white American hyper patriotism, that type of freedom. It's about acceptable freedom. It's never about dangerous freedom. It's never about subversive freedom. It's never about freedom to do things. It's not about freedom with your body. All bunch of fucking lies.

I'm sick of it. I'm sick of the whole thing. And now, because of this, this young lady doesn't get, it's her moment. She earned her moment. USC ought to be ashamed of themselves. They should be ashamed of themselves. All right.

WMBA. I see you got the shirt. on. That's the ladies right there. Who's on that shirt? Isn't it Cheryl? I could totally have made that up. I don't know.

Let's look that up. All right, people are pissed. Caitlin Clark is going to make $338,000 over four years. That is crazy. Okay, the logo didn't take after any player in particular for the WNBA. She looked black, though.

I thought it was Cheryl. She does look black. She looks black. Or it looks like Cynthia. It could be Cynthia Cooper. Yeah. lipstick. I loved it.

Yeah. I love her. Look, the gap between Caitlin Clark's WNBA salarator male counterparts strong outrage guys. Okay, so Caitlin Clark is on the WNBA

rookie scale. She's drafted number one. Congratulations to her. Yes. Congratulations to the Bayou Barbie, who I think went seven to Chicago. They got Cardoza. I know. What the shit? Chicago killing.

So she's going to earn $76,000 for the first year, $78,000 for the second year, and $85,000 for the third, with a fourth year option of $97,000. That is the pay scale for the WMBA. Now for comparison, Victor WMbenyama, who's the number one pick in last year's NBA, draft got a $55 million contract, four years, $55 million. He made $12.1 million in his first season. So he made $12.1 million in his first year. She's going to make $76,000.

A WMBA spokesperson said that the $76,000 sum is just a part of what Caitlin Clark will make in the league. She said this. Caitlin Clark stands to make a half a million dollars or more in the WNBA and WNBA earnings in the coming season. In addition to what she will receive through endorsements and other partnerships, which is already reported to exceed $3 million, a league spokeswoman said.

So this has caused more speculation and more conversation around a topic, shall I say, that people have been talking about for some years now, which is pay in the W&A. NBA, particularly pay in the WNBA, in comparison with the NBA. Oh, there's no question. Okay. No question.

Wait. Say the last one again. I'm sorry. I'm distracted from what I just read. In comparison to the NBA, pay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Pay disparities is what we're talking about. Right, right.

And pay. You want to know my thoughts on it? Yeah, what's your thoughts? Okay. Sorry, I apologize, guys. It's okay. Stuff happens. Um, it's, it's,

It's definitely happening. So we've talked about pay disparity, particularly in the WNBA, before on this podcast, because it's always been an issue. And we've talked about it just in women's sports in general. But I feel like, not feel like I know, it stands out more to the point where you even have the President of the United States making a comment because of the increased spotlight that has been on collegiate women's basketball. and because they're moving into the WNBA, professional women's basketball, and specifically the spotlight has been on Caitlin Clark. So I feel like you're bringing all these new fans and this new attention to the sport of women's basketball who might not have been aware of the history in regards to what the players are paid

and how they have to go overseas or rely on endorsement deals. And now, NIL coming in before that. So this has always been a problem. I mean, this is a problem in our country, period. the disparity between men and women when it comes to the gender pay gap, the disparity between black women in particular, when it comes to white women and even men, or I should say men and even white women when it comes to disparity in pay.

So I think that it's so prevalent with Clayton Clark, not just because I said she has a spotlight, but because of how she has a spotlight. Roke Records in college. Teams are literally changing arenas that they're supposed to play the Indian in a fever in in anticipation of the crowd that Caitlin will bring in. They set the record, well, it had been, I think I read since 2019, that that many people had watched college basketball in a championship game before. They scored more than the men, which also, if that continues, and I scored more than

men, sorry. They rated higher. They rated higher than the men, which if that continues, and that totally takes away the whole argument of they're being paid less, or they should be paid less. It wouldn't. Okay. We can get into that. Not for one time, I said if it continues.

If it continues in this way, then they can't keep saying, well, we bring in bigger numbers. Well, no, the women would bring in bigger numbers. I'm saying if it continued in this way, not after one game. That's not going to be the case. I know. Okay. Go ahead. I'm sorry. But anyways, it's the fact that 17,000 people came up to watch her get drafted, you know, in Indiana. It's this excitement, it's this anticipation. And then, bam, you find out that she's only making 70-something-something people.

thousand dollars a year. This is the kind of outrage you need to really make some type of change. I mean, in addition to people supporting and watching and buying merchandise and all of that, but you need more eyes, you need more attention in order to have more outrage, which is what's happening now. It's the perfect storm for people to finally recognize how bad the disparity is between the men and the women. And I don't even think people are saying, hey, it's got to be equal. She needs $12 million like Victor got, but people are saying that it's so bad that there has to be something. Now, we know Caitlin will make it up in endorsements, but not every player that comes into the WNBA has an eight figure, which is what it's rumored to be, endorsement deal from a brand.

Right. Or has the opportunities to play overseas and make that money. Okay, so here's a deal. This is why. So there's a lot of things that go into this. Number one, the way these things are structured. there's a TV deal. So even if next year

the WNBA routinely beat the NBA the revenue would change the money from television deals might not change. Sure. Okay. Because these deals are worked out years and years before. So it's going to take

some time for the salaries to inch up. But with more eyes comes more everything. This is the thing. I think you said one thing there that is, to me, the best way to look at this. Comparing a $200 million lead to a $10 billion league, it shuts the conversation down.

Okay, now, when I say $200 million league, the WNBA is on the fucking upswing. It's on the upswing. I mean, there was a jump a couple of years ago where they went from like $63 million. million in revenue or something like that to the $200 million number that we're talking about. And I can guarantee you right now that the revenue next year is going to be higher. It's probably going to be one of the biggest seasons in WMBA history in terms of viewership.

Merch sold, all of that stuff. Because of Kailin Clark, but also because of Angel Reese and Camilla Cardozo and other people that we know. There are a bunch of known entities coming into the league right now. It's different than it's ever been, in my opinion. Maybe I'm wrong. But the question is how much should they be making? Right? The questions have to be intellectual in a way.

Something that you said is interesting. The outrage is necessary to change it. That's not what's necessary. It plays no point. It plays no, there's no factor in it. Outrage, how people feel. It means zero percent. You're saying that in regards to the formula to pay them.

I'm saying you could be as mad as you want about the WMBA players not being paid commiserate with players in the NBA or not being paid more money. Your anger is not going to change a thing. Your participation. I said that. I know. But what I'm saying is one of those things is the whole ball of wax. The other one means absolutely nothing. Well, what I'm saying is I say more eyes, more attention, more outrage, because that is what you need to then take that and put that energy into those things.

Like if people are indifferent about it, if people are like, yeah, that kind of sucks that, which is what they did before, right? Yeah, that sucks. The women don't get paid the same. And then everybody was just like, but when you're like invested, particularly emotionally, usually people act on that. That would be my thing. So you think that people are going to watch the does? NBA because they're mad that Caitlin Clark isn't getting paid? Well, I think that if they know it can help towards better payment for these women,

I guarantee there are a lot of new people watching. That many, 24 million people watched that South Carolina, Iowa game. Let me tell you, like, let me tell you something. The only reason why those people even know is because they're paying attention. The only thing that matters is whether or not people support the league. Absolutely. And so, like, to me, if you're upset, if you're angry, the wage gap, pay gap argument here is a cultural one, right? The NBA was started in 1946.

1946, the NBA was started. The WNBA was started, I think, in 1997, right? So 50 years, 50 year head start. The average pay for an NBA player in 1971 was $90,000. Now, $90,000 today is a lot more than the average WNBA player salary, which I think is like $150,000 or $200,000. So it's probably, so the league is still lagging behind a little bit. But there was a boom period for the end.

NBA where the salaries change. Magic Johnson signed a lifetime deal with the Lakers. I think the contract was like 25 years, $25 million or something like that. It's like a million dollars a year. Maybe it was 10 years, $10 million. I can't remember what it was. I actually looked that up. But the money changed in the early 90s.

The league renegotiated, the TV deal with NBC, and it was $600 million. And that was all the money in the world did. And then once the $600 million comes in, the salaries change, the endorsement change, this is post-Jordan, this is post-Bird, this is post-magic, and everybody cares dearly about the NBA. Maybe that will happen now. This is the opportunity for it to happen now. Yeah. It will only happen if people support.

the league. You will not think peace yourself into these women making more money. You will not protest yourself into these women making more money. You will not tweet yourself into these women making more money. You can only participate yourself into these women making more money. And to be honest with you, the best proving ground of the women's game ever, the women's game has been thriving for a long time. Um, and people like, you, you know, Jordan Liggins and Janay and all of these people who have been championed the women's game

and really, and Jackson and other people that I know, that have really been Tommy Alter, Tommy Alter, who is a diehard fan of the W, right? People who love the women's game have been talking about how great the women's game is for a very long time.

But what we've saw now, seen now, is that the casual sports fan can be invested into the women's game at a level that outpaces the men's game if the storylines and players and basketball is excited enough. And that's something important to. We've talked about the media,

but it's not just showcasing and having their games on, it's getting the audience interested. So knowing the background stories, like we do, we get these 30 for 30s, or we wouldn't have that, but like an E60 or whatever it is that showcases these women and what they went through or connects them to another player

or their dad played in the NBA or that, you know, like those type of things that interests an audience, that's kind of what we need more of. Yeah, yeah. When I worked for the NBA, I interned for the NBA right out of college and our project was to work with the WNBA.

I remember you told me this, yeah. And we put together a marketing campaign, And what we discovered were there were a lot of players who had connection to NBA players, whether it was their dad, their uncle, their brother. And we were talking about pairing the two together and putting some type of commercial to show that synergy between NBA and WNBA. Now, of course, it didn't, I mean, they didn't use it. But I'm just saying that's the kind of stuff that I would love to see and love to see how that person helped this person or how they, you know, like their games are alike or whatever it be. see that person at the game supporting, you know, that WNBA player. Do you know, you know what's funny?

Do you know what? The hate for the WNBA game, you know where it comes from the most for me? Pick up basketball nigger that never made it. If you want somebody to talk bad about the WNBA, NBA. NBA too? Wrong. Really? If you talk to, in my opinion.

Okay. If you talk to those guys, the NBA players, they respect people that are able to play their game. They might not look at the WNBA players and be like these players can fuck with us. But they respect players who are able to play their game, play basketball at the highest level. Like they respect people who have put into work, who grind, who compete. When you hear them talk about it, nah, you can't fuck with her. Nah, homie, you can't fuck with her. If you get in the conversation with NBA guys,

like if you know a lot of guys in the league, when you hear the, nah, you can't fuck with her. I'm telling you you can't fuck with her. You think you can. And then even if you can fuck with her, they'll be like, well, understand she's a better basketball player than you because they care about being the best basketball player. They care about hooping.

They care about skills. They care about competing. They are supportive. The person that's making this argument against the WNBA, I'm telling you. It's pick up basketball nigger that never made it. Pick up basketball nigger that never made it. Go super hard when a lady comes into the gym.

Because he is unsure about his basketball ability. He doesn't know where he could have gone if my coach wasn't hating on me. If it wasn't politics, if I wouldn't astrain my Achilles against Dutchtown in 2003. I could have been the man. Uncle Rico's The Uncle Rico's

You never saw Napoleon Dynamite The Uncle Rico I did and I know who Uncle Rico Thank you The Uncle Rico's These are like Ah man the motherfuckers can't fuck with me I fucked them over

I post her up I post her up I'll tell you right now I'll take her out the game She can't do shit These are guys that are unsure about themselves The insecurity

For most people that High level basketball players They look at the game And they be like Yo I respect that you did it That makes sense You know That's true.

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Shout out to King Charles. It's a birthday? No, King Charles, the show. Oh, I thought you were talking about Charles Holmes. I was like, oh, is that what you call? I noticed that while I turned my back, you snuck a grave. But I didn't put him in my mouth.

This is my worst performance on the podcast ever, I think. It is. It is. But you're not okay. Keep going. King Charles has ended his run. I want to say thank you to Charles, to Gail for having me on the show. I was able to do the show three times.

And the show itself is not going to continue. I had a lot fun going up there in New York. I have fun with all my people at CNN. I would be doing more CNN stuff. I have fun staying at the Equinox Hotel. Oh, that's where they put you? Oh, real nice. Equinox Hotel.

You ever stayed there before? No, I stayed at the Pendry. They share the same right there. The Equinox Hotel is fantastic. Yeah, no, it's nice. I love the Equinox Hotel. I've looked at it. It's out of my range.

That's not true. It's not that bad. It's not that bad, though. You're talking about the one in Chelsea, right? No, wrong. I'm talking about the one. Is it Chelsea? I don't know.

Listen to me. I'm saying wrong. I don't know New York. I'm talking Hudson Yards. It's Hudson Yards in Chelsea. Yeah, it's right there. You know New York, don't you? You know what you are?

want to do a segment here where you just talk about your travels. I don't want everybody to know how I move. Where in the world is? I was gone this week. I don't want everybody to know how I move. Where'd you go? It doesn't matter. You don't care.

I don't care. You don't care about where you go. We care. Ooh, people thought that there was a little, some sparks between you and Bimani Jones. People do that every single time we have a black man. Even when I was married, they were like, did you see how Rachel was just looking at him a little too hard? listening just a little too hard. They do that every time. Yeah. They thought that there were some sparks.

The play, the, like, I can tell you something right now. You guys, we're about to go. I got, I'll be honest with you. We're about to go, but I want to say something real quick. Before we leave, I want to say the shout out to John Tay Porter that used to, he used to be in the lead. I want to shout out. Jontay Porter said, look. Like, Jontay Porter,

Jontay Porter, I want to shout out Jontay Porter, man. If y'all don't know, Johnte Porter was banned after the NBA did an investigation and found out that this nigger was gambling his ass off. He wasn't just doing regular gambling. You know,

that's, that's, y'all have to say how funny this is. It's like, you y'all know, like, the prop bets, like, will a nigger get over three rebounds? Jonti Porter just bet on himself. They just wouldn't get the rebounds.

But it was like leaving the game for an eye injury. Leaving the game, eye injury, will he play three minutes? Like, the level to which John T. Porter is somewhere, I don't know how he feels. I don't know how he, he can't feel bad. He has to feel bad. He can't feel bad. I don't think he feels bad. I feel like they even shamed him why it was flagged because they were like, nobody bids on Jontzay Porter.

Nobody's going to bet on Jontz-T Porter. Nobody's doing five figures on Jontz-A Porter. So it's literally a fucking FBI egghead somewhere with glasses looking through NBA prop bets or somebody in the league. And somebody just went, oh, my God. Hey, somebody just put five racks on. It's set off the algorithm. Yeah. That's how not smart it was.

It's set off the algorithm. This nigga, Jonte Porter, doesn't give a fuck. He never gave a fuck. He doesn't give a fuck to such a degree that I'm rooting for him. Like, it, Jonte Porter has to just completely, he has to get his own gambling pot and start a gambling show

and just lean into it. Actually, that's really smart. Yeah. Why not? Because here's the thing. It's gambling in every sport to a degree that this is not the end of this. I know everybody's all touchy about,

oh, don't talk too much about gambling. Every platform is involved in gambling and all of that stuff like that. Like, there've always been gambling scandals. They're always going to be gambling scandals. But this is the difference. Now, like you said, there are algorithms and there's heightened vigilance around maintaining the competitive integrity of these things.

Absolutely. So they are going to want to catch people more, and they will. Yes. In the old days, you have to be caught up with the fucking mob or it had to be some kind of crazy shit for them to catch you. Now, all of these leagues, the NBA, the baseball, all of these places, they are so girded up and sensitive around anything that threatens the competitive balance of their games that they're going to be looking to catch people.

They're going to catch more people. Well, one of the things, I do understand it to a point because these players are being incentivized. Like, for example, at Jonte Porter, you know, he did well at Missouri, but then he got injured. Towards ACL got injured again, was in the G League, never amounted to what he could have been, you know, we'll never know because of those injuries. So he wasn't getting paid when he could have. The nigga was in the NBA?

Right, but he was getting like, I think I read like $400,000 compared to like what he could have gotten post the injuries. And it took him to, it took him a second to get to the league. So what you have is, particularly with prop bets, these people who harass these players to make, you know, do something quick or do something easy for them to be able to win big off of. And I think that's what you're seeing collegiately, that they're even more terrified of prop bets

and how these people are coming to these players individually and harassing them. And they and three states have already banned prop bets on collegiate. I don't know if it's just basketball or sports in general. But I think it's going to continue. I don't want to say a problem, but just with gambling being behind so many platforms and its money being involved, it's just interesting to see how they're going to be able to handle this. It's gambling's legal in most states. It's money is everywhere.

Let me say this, man. shout out to Jonte Porter, man. You that nigga. I don't know what you're going to do now. You say that he wasn't going to be. No, your idea is fantastic. You should reach out. Look, Jonte Porter is only 24.

So the reality is, yeah, he had made it to the NBA by 24. He really likes to gamble because this nigga said, fuck it. I'm with it. This nigga... He likes to cheat. What, I don't... Jontay Porter is the man. How about that?

What was I saying before we got on that, though? Oh, yeah, the playbook. Yeah. So before we go, we got to go. We leaving money on the table with the playbook, okay? People love the playbook. No one cares about anything as much. We could have done a whole episode here, since I'm not feeling that great about myself.

We could have done a whole episode of the playbook. It would have right to the top. Everyone cares about the playbook. The playbook is the only thing of people's mind. People love the playbook. Wrong. You keep saying it's all right. on my mind. Everywhere I go, when people ask me, people ask me, then who is Rachel going to date?

They love to ship you and match you. I'm down with it. I have put myself out there. I've been open to it. Playbook Thursdays. I have a birthday party. I have a birthday party this weekend. You have the opportunity to be bringing me eligible people. Wrong. Because when I tried to invite people to the birthday party, I was told that there was a limit of people that could go to the party. We do have paper heads. See what I'm saying? I was like, I can invite some guys. No, you can't bite anyone. We got a list of people, and outside that list, nobody can come.

Kaleek and I are throwing it together, guys. All right. Take the key in caps off, but do not stop learning. I am Van Lakin Jr. soon to be snapped and going crazy on Hollywood Boulevard. I'm Rachel and Lindsay. Bye, guys. Why Hollywood Boulevard?