Higher Learning with Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay - Slim Thug on the Recent Spate of Rappers Getting Shot

Episode Date: November 17, 2020

Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay discuss Van’s first trip to the dentist since the early '90s (13:00). Then rapper Slim Thug joins the show to talk about the abundance of rappers being shot recently and his experience battling COVID-19 (22:00). Finally, Van and Rachel discuss the "Million MAGA March" (54:00) and the firing of Hillsong pastor Carl Lentz (1:03:00). Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Yo, yo, yo, thought warriors, what is up? It is I, Van Lathen. Higher Learning is on now. What's up, guys? This is me, Rachel Lindsay. He was about to keep going. It wasn't even going to give me a spot to introduce myself. No.

I got to be honest with you. We haven't done a seamless intro in like three or four podcasts. Isn't that part of our charm? I think it's me. I just thought it was part of our charm. You know what I mean? I think is nothing. Nothing is by the book.

I think it's me. Nothing. If you want to take the blame, I'd be more than happy to give it to you. It was fantastic. Fantastic. Brian was here. So we had a good weekend. Yes, just chilling.

I cooked. That is something that doesn't happen quite often. Don't ask me what I made because you would talk about it. But Brian had had a home cooked meal in a long time. I made him a meal. We chilled. We got into a new show. The weather was amazing in L.A. If anybody got outside this past weekend.

So we went down to the water. We were in Santa Monica. We spent time in Venice. It was good. It was a chill weekend. What about you? I'm glad Brian was here. I'm glad.

Me too. Because people have been raising all kinds of conspiracy theories in my, like, there's more than one person. About you and Brian? What is, why are people who always have it in for me in your DMs? Yeah. People have been saying that you and Brian got a secret divorce. or something like that. It's been really weird,

so I'm glad he was here. Well, welcome to Bachelors Nation. It's because if they don't see you on Instagram, if you're not Instagram official, we're very private about our relationship. So if they don't see you on Instagram, it doesn't exist. It's not real.

Yeah, my weekend was not good. Oh, I'm sorry. And I am going to share something personal right now. Okay. It's very quickly. I'm not going to make a whole spill about it. I have something that's called preventricular contract. Do you ever heard of these before?

So it's something to where your heart will sometimes skip a beat. Oh. Yeah. So you have an irregular heartbeat. Yeah, but it comes and goes. So it's not always that it's not always, it doesn't always bother you.

It just comes and goes. Sometimes if you're stressed out, if you're dehydrated, the first time they really became an issue was after I lost my job at TMZ. And they just kind of went crazy. And I go there, the doctor gave me something, I took it, whatever. And I was good.

And then the pandemic started, and I was super scared because you know how my anxiety goes. And that was during the whole time that my mental health really broke down. That was kind of the catalyst for it. And like when you're going through it, and I've had every test you can have, right? Like I've run on the treadmill.

they've took pictures of my heart that I had an echocardiogram in October and you know you have EKGs I wore a Holter monitor I had a calcium channel thing so they've looked at everything that they can look at

I actually have an appointment with an electrophysiologist on Thursday but they've looked at most of the things that they can look at and they're like look these things are benign they come when you're stressed out they come when these things happen to you and you know, you just kind of kind of figure out, calm down, de-stress, whatever. But they're super scary.

Like super duper, super, like, unbelievably scary. Yeah. Because you're just sitting there and then your heart flip-flops and you don't know what's going on. And to be honest with you, they actually have been going on. They came back out of nowhere. It was really mid to late September that I've kind of been going on. and through it. And then last week, the last two weeks, it's been fine. And then for some reason, Thursday, it's just like, it's been bad. And, you know, so, and the only reason why I'm talking

about this is because, like, I'm, I'm, you know, God willing and everything. Look, I've talked to everyone. And everyone's been really, really nice about it. And everyone's told me, I mean, they've looked at my heart, they say that there's nothing wrong with it, right? And, but like, I'm just tired of acting like, like, I'm super okay. You know what I mean? Yeah.

Like, I'm okay. I'm okay. You know what I mean? Like, I'm, whatever, but I'm just tired of pretending, like, coming on here and being, I'm good. I'm good. I was just tired of acting like there's nothing bothering me.

Yeah. And for me personally, no matter what it is, I'm never going to do that again in life. I'm never going to act like again in life that there's nothing bothering. You feel like you've been doing that to this point? I feel like with this,

you know, it's very hard on the people in my life. It's hard on Kalika. It's hard on my mom. And it's hard on a lot of people just because it's difficult to understand. Right? because if you like,

if you go to the hospital or you go to a cardiologist and they say, hey, you're checked out, things are good. Like, and they say, hey, you know, this and this, you know, we've looked at this and this and that, try this drug and that things are good. Yeah. This is just an annoying if you don't worry about them. And look, they were basically right.

Like after when things happened before, they went away. Yeah. And then for reasons, I don't really understand. it might have been stressed surrounding the election or stressed surrounding other things that were happening, they just came back. Yeah. And so people don't get how Dodger

can tell you you're okay and then like you still feel a certain way. And it's difficult for people to get. So it just sometimes weighs on you. And we do this podcast and you want to be able to share with people.

And you want people to know kind of like where you're at what you're doing. And that's kind of the thing. And it's really nothing, there's nothing really more to be said. There's no defect. There's no condition. There's no, I mean, it's just, that's kind of how things go. I think people underestimate what stress can really do to your body. You know, you talk about it, but it's like stress can make your skin break out. Stress can make you gain weight. Stress can make you depressed. Stress can make give you anxiety, but there's so many other things that it can affect you in ways that you don't even know. And I, and I would I will never underestimate how you're feeling because I'll tell you something.

I, I, um, had never had an anxiety attack until, into 2018. Can't even tell you what really brought it on. But that level of stress, that not understanding what was happening to me because it had never happened before was very hard for me to communicate to somebody because I didn't know what was going on, but I did not feel right. I wasn't okay. So I can't even imagine what it is that you're feeling. and you're going through

and you know you're not okay but every test is coming back normal. I just feel like it's deeper than that. And I also don't think that you should have to pretend you're okay if you're not. Yeah. Because then how do you...

Yeah, I don't think you should keep it all inside. I think that only makes it worse. Yeah. And, you know, you... Look, you go back, you start having them again. You go back, you get your EKG. Like the whole time, crazy.

The whole time we've been doing this, I've been doing, I've been, this little thing right here. What's that? This is a cardio device, right? If you guys can watch this. So a cardio device, this thing is a little EKG. So when we're sitting here doing the podcast, I'll just put my fingers on this and take an EKG.

And what does I do? Like monitor your heartbeat? Monitor your heart and the electrical activity of your heart. And it's easy to get caught in a cycle with anything like this. It's easy to get caught in the cycle where it just becomes your entire life. And all of a sudden you look around and you're like the only person on earth. And I guarantee you something right now. If there is anyone listening to this who's ever dealt with BVCs,

who's ever dealt with just sitting down doing something or waking up in the morning and just having your heart go flop-flop, flap, flop. If I, like, if there's anyone who's ever dealt with that, they understand exactly. I'm speaking of, I'm not, if I'm speaking to foreign language to everyone else, I'm not to them. They get it. They completely get it. They completely get harassing your doctor. Shout out to Amy Wagner, the nurse practitioner over there at Dr. Ram Dan Delaya's office in Beverly Hills.

Shout out to her. because we literally have such a long email thread of me going, hey, am I okay? She's going, her going, yeah. She's like, all your tests came back good. Like, you're okay. And she's like, you have, you know,

so it's like, it's weird. But it has a name. It has a, it's been diagnosed as something. So I guess I don't understand why people are active, I guess from what I'm taking from you is that they're acting like, it's like you're fine, you're okay, just go home. But it's been diagnosed with something. It's a real thing. Well, yeah, it is a real thing. So you look at it like this. So they can mean things, right? So if you're having these palpitations, it's basically like your heart gives a premature beat and then it pauses and then it comes back.

So they can mean things. It can mean that you have blockages in your coronary arteries or you have cardiomy which is a weakness or a disease of the heart or you have something else, it can mean all of those things. But if they check out your heart and you don't have any of those things, then they're basically like a muscle twitch. Like, you know what I mean? Like a muscle twitch that you get in your heart. Now, if you were having like a lot of them, like a super great deal of them, like a lot, then they can actually mess your heart up but I don't have that many. You know, some people,

and I want to bore you guys with all this dime store of cardiology that I do, but some people, if you have like 100,000 beats a minute, if you have over 20,000 beats that are like this, well, then you're in the risk of damaging your heart. Like I wore a halter monitor, and it was like less than 1% of my beats were this. So a small number, but remember your heart beats 100,000 times a day normally, right?

So less than 1%, even if this happened to you 100 times a day, what if you felt everyone? Yeah. You know what I mean? I can't even imagine that. Like what if you felt everyone, every single one, every single one, every single one, every single time that happens. It only happens 100 times a day, not enough to affect your cardiovascular health,

but enough to drive you crazy. Yeah. To where, you know, so that's it. So because of that, my weekend wasn't great. How do you feel now? They've been happening all day. I'm sorry. Yeah.

So, I mean, you know what I mean? They've been happening all day. Sometimes when I can focus on something, like when I'm doing the podcast or something like that, or when I'm speaking, or something like that, they don't bother me as much just because I'm not focused on them. And the weird thing is now, because I'm on a beta blocker form, they're not like severe. They're just barely, you can barely feel them.

Yeah. But you know that your heart's misfiring. Yeah. So it's like, ugh. It gets in your head. Yeah. It's tough. Yeah.

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Let's talk about your teeth. Oh my teeth. Let's talk about your tea. My tea. Let's talk about your tea. Right. Van. I saw the tweet.

I thought it was a joke. so I just bypassed it. I was like, I'm not even going to pay attention to Van today. But when I came on to the podcast and y'all were talking before, apparently this is a real thing. So if you guys didn't know, Van tweeted out that he has not been to the dentist. Please correct me if I'm wrong. Since 1991.

Something like that. 91 or 92. So that's back when you were forced to go. My mom brought me. Your mom brought you. I don't know if you had a traumatic experience. I'm not quite sure. But that was what?

You were like 11? Something. And now you're 40. Now I'm 40, yes. So almost 30 years later, you go to the dentist. Went to the dentist's last last last year, yes. What made you want to go after 30 years? And then what was the report?

Oh, my God. Okay. Okay, well. I went three years and I was panicking. So 30, I can't even imagine. Okay. So this is what made me want to go. I was brushing my teeth.

And a tooth fell out. No, not a tooth. I was brushing my teeth, and it looked like Tyson had punched me in my face. I was like, sometimes a little blood, but this time it was like, God, damn. You know what I mean? It looked like Tyson, I punched my face. I was like, okay.

That, you know, whatever. And also, because I have mild sleep apnea, we just get into all the van's medical shit. Because I have mild sleep apnea, there's sometimes this little mouth guard thing that I wear when I go to sleep in order to keep my mouth open, so I don't snore and the airs.

And when I woke up one time, and there was blood. Like, you know what I mean? And it's because that thing is rubbing against my gums and my gums are bleeding. And so I'm like, you know, let's just go check it out. Let's just go see. So you didn't go for a cleaning?

No. I didn't go for a cleaning. I went to go start my journey with the dentist. All right? That's where I went. I went to go start my journey with the dentist. And they took an x-ray at my teeth. all right, they looked at them.

They were like, hey, your teeth look good. Because I told them. I was like, look, I haven't been to the dentist in a long time. They were like, how long? I was like, I've been to the dentist once in my life. I'm 40 years. Yeah, they were like, yeah, but when did you go? I was like, I think I was in like the sixth grade.

They were like, wow. And the nurse, she goes, wow, your teeth look great. Like, my teeth looked great. I would never have known. My teeth looked amazing. They said, like, your teeth look great. You know what I mean? then the guy comes in, the dentist,

and he starts doing the great guy, by the way, this is a fantastic dentist place over here. I might shout him out after I go a couple more times, but it's fantastic. I've been to the dentist since I've been here, and I've lived here two months, but just keep going. All right, well, I hadn't gone. I mean, you can keep rubbing it in if you want.

It's just such a bad example, but keep going. Okay, I'm telling you, but it's my example. It's the example that is me. I must be true to myself. I just remember the first time, one of the first conversations we had on this podcast was about wearing the mask and bad breath. Now I understand where you were coming from.

You were talking of years and years of years of not going to the dentist. This is why you were concerned about that and I was not. But here's the thing now. Here's the thing. The reality is that I still brush my teeth and gargle with listerine and stuff like that. My breath is not, I don't think, that it's super off the chain. You know what I mean? I was surprised when I was in the mask, though.

I was surprised. I was like, yeah. But, you know, I don't generally have bad breath. It's not been a thing. Or maybe people are saying that behind my life. I don't know. You don't know. You never know.

You never know. But, no, and so he comes in with the little tooth thing. And you start looking at the guns. All right? He starts pushing down on him. And he's giving every different tooth a number. Oh, you would tell good, Dennis then. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. He's giving every, he's giving every tooth of number. And he was like, and he's explaining to me what he's doing, he's going to listen. So I'm looking at the gums

and seeing how much plaque and all of that stuff like that or in the gums. And just let you know, it's like, it's like, the number goes up to six. Six is like fucking, the number goes all the way up to whatever.

But like when you get to six, six is when it's really, really bad. You heard four, five, and six? I heard. Yeah, I heard. There were some fives in there. There was some five. There was some fives in there.

There was some fives in there. And then there was a couple of sevens. I don't even think I've heard of two. Oh, no, no, no, no. He was like, it was, it was literally like. So up here in the front, all gravy. All gravy. Tos and all that.

But like here on the sides and stuff like that, because I got these big jaws and it's harder to get to, it's like five to five. 5 to 5. And then I never forget, he's looking back on the wisdom tooth, which he says he might have to take out. You haven't had your wisdom teeth out?

I haven't. Oh, of course. He looks back on a wisdom tooth and he pokes down in the thing with a wisdom tooth and he goes, shit, seven. I'm like, your doctor's nuts. I swear to you,

yes, he did. I'm not even joking. I promise you. Wow. He goes, shit. He goes, shit. go shit, seven. And so, but look, I'm all top of it now.

They, they, they, so they took the x-rays. Then they, they clean my teeth. And then after they cleaned my teeth, which was not at all a pleasurable experience, the way, I mean, she was a pro. But she, they cleaned the teeth, right? And now I have to go back in and clean the teeth. They said it looked good. I have to go back in for a deeper laser cleaning.

And then I got a That's not normal But keep going I just need to know I get the laser And then I got a water pick Oh okay Yeah so

I got a water pick So I brush my teeth in the morning And brush my teeth in the night At night gargle And then I use the water pick I could probably get you an endorsement for that But keep going For the water pick

Oh yeah The water pick But the water pick kind of hurts I'm not I can't wait to see you Hi I'm van man, after 30 years from going to the dentist, I can get you an endorsement.

Right. After, look, I didn't, hey, it's Van Lathen. I didn't go to the dentist for about 30 years, but here I have an ultrasonic water pick. I never need to see him again. Like a probe. But it does. It's blah, blah, blah, whatever.

So yeah, so yeah. But look, I'm on a journey to, I'm on a journey to full body health care. We're going to see the electrophysiology. we're going to figure this out, whatever, or maybe one day they just might do what they normally do, which is magically disappear. Who knows?

But the teeth, that's going to be the long-haul journey. The teeth. Teeth are going to be the long-haul journey. Did the doctors say, like, you know with dogs, if you don't take care of their teeth, it leads to other health issues? Is the same thing for humans? Does your dentist talk to you about that?

And this is a real question. I actually don't know. No, but I've read that. I've read that, that, you know, but I have a healthy heart. You know what I mean? So there's not like there's, you know, I mean,

I'm not saying it's that. I'm just in general. No, no, no. But no, but it's a thing, though. You know what I mean? So it's a, it's a, it's definitely true. People, people on Twitter were like, hey, man, just let you know,

your gum health can affect like your heart health and stuff like that. So, but I just got to make sure that I'm not being too afraid of the world and de-stressing and all that. stuff like that. Man, look, I'm glad we had Dr. Jess on here last time. The trauma and the stuff that exists in my mind from the way, I joke a lot about it on here. You know, even the story that I told about Disneyland last year, last podcast. That was not a pleasurable experience. I didn't think it was, Van. You know, you know what I mean? It didn't sound like it. It didn't. I can laugh about it now, but, you know, it's for another podcast, but you got to clean out your brain.

It sounds traumatizing. I'm not going to lie. The parting of people, the grass. It sounds traumatizing. Sorry. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, all right. Oh, wow.

We got a little deep here at the beginning. But let's, let's cool down. We got topics to get to. Let's take a break. We'll come back and talk about what's going on in the world. Did you know about one in three people with Plex, psoriasis may also develop psoriotic arthritis, which causes joint pain, stiffness, and swelling. Does this sound like you?

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not too much about it. It was actually kind of a bloody last couple of days, a bloody month for rappers, man. In the last month, at least six weeks, King Vaughn, an up-and-coming rapper from Chicago, was gunned down in Atlanta. Mo 3, an up-and-coming, you know, very established rapper. King Vaughn was pretty established, too.

From Dallas was gunned down on the freeway. On the freeway. And just in the last couple of days, man, Boosie, was shot in Dallas. Some people are speculating about what the connection to, if there was any connection to the Mo3 situation with Boosie,

we have no information on that. And then Benny DeButcher from Griselda, one of the best rappers in the entire world was shot in his leg in Houston in an attempted robbery. Yo, what the hell is going on, man, with these bullets flying at these rappers? And then what's going on in Texas?

So we decided we talked to somebody, a Texas legend, slim thub, is going to join us right now on higher learning to help us make some sense about why it seems to be so dangerous to be a rapper these days. Yo, yo, yo, we got royalty in the house. And, you know, obviously,

if you didn't know he was royalty before, you would know when you see what he's sitting in right now. He's sitting in a throne. I got to tell you something. Every time I'm thinking I'm doing good in life, and he knows this, that's why he's laughing. I think I'm doing good in life like I buy a new pair of sneakers or something like that.

I just go to Slim Thug Instagram because he'll be like riding four-wheelers in Zimbabween. You know what I mean? He'll let you know. You still got something to work for we got rap royalty, Texas legend, Slim Thug on High Learning today. What's up, brother? How are you doing, my man?

Appreciate your job for having me, man. Of course, bro, look, I'm going to get right to it. Well, the first thing is when I was thinking about you, I was thinking about like this year you've survived two of the hardest things to survive. One, COVID and the other one, being a rapper. Man, what is going on out here right now?

This is crazy. And I don't mean to make light of this. I'm serious. But we got in the last, rest in peace, Mo three. Rest in peace, King Vaughn. They got my boy, Busy. I went to high school. Busey, that's my man from way back.

They got, and then just now in Houston, your stomping grounds, Benny caught one in the leg. What do you feel? What's pop, why is, why is the whole industry jumping so bad? Oh, no clue, honestly. Like, it's just really 2020. It's just been a complete disaster, man.

And it's getting crazy out here. It's getting crazier. It seemed like, you know, it seemed like every day I hear about a rapper getting shot, you know what I'm saying? A lot of the times it was a younger rapper. It's nice, the boocies, and, you know, it's like, wow, it's getting out of hand out here. And then it's in Houston and then Dallas.

So that's really crazy. So, yeah, man, I don't know if it's back and forth or what's going on, but, you know, it's getting way too out of hand in the rap game. I don't like it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I mean, I'm from Dallas, Slim, and, you know, just, but just speaking about it in general, it's like as a community, you know, and another thing to add to, and you survived being a rapper, COVID, but just also being black.

And I mean, that's what we're talking about more than ever in 2020, even though it's something we should have been talking about. But as a community, a black community, we're battling so many things. You being a rapper yourself and being so influential, how is a community can we do something to either? Because we don't know why this is happening, but to bring awareness to it, to make this stop, to, you know, like, what do we need to do to come together and step up? I really, if I had to answer, I actually got a call from the mayor before Benny even got robbed about the crime rate going up in Houston. He was like, what can we do?

Do you have any ideas? What can we do? And really, it's like, it ain't nothing really slim thug can do because slim thug to the younger rappers. A lot of this going down with is like the old dude. They don't really, you know, they don't really listen to nobody but themselves. So I don't know what's going on right now. I don't know why is it the fad is going on that you need to be totally your chopping, you know what I'm saying,

and doing all this, you know, shooting back and forth. Hopefully, you know, we figure this out fast because it's going the wrong way. And, you know, the thing is, Houston, we not really, we don't really have these type of things go down. Like, oh, we're not known for having. They'll usually be a safe zone kind of. But it is bad out here, too.

And if you're in the wrong places, you know, anything can happen anywhere, I feel like, you know. So it's just about knowing where you're at. And I heard Benny was even riding deep out here, you know. But it's crazy, man. Like I say, you can't even call it now. You know, I can't tell you what's going on. Like, I try to make sense of it with, but it's like you got Christmas time, which I always make the crime rate go up. Then you got Corona, you know, people lose.

and jobs and all that there. And then, you know, people just, right now, I feel like it ain't a lot of opportunity out here, you know, for the bottom. And now it's like bad business going on in the streets, you know, and that leads to gunfire or whatever. So it's all kind of stuff going on right now. So it's just out of hand. Now, you mentioned earlier that you've been doing your thing for a while,

and you're still here, you're still dropping, you're still relevant. If I'm a younger cat and I'm asking you, you know, I still want to floss. I still want to get my shit off. I still want to have everything. I still want to show that I got it. But I also want to be safe. I also, I want to move the right way.

You know, I want to be in places where, you know, it's not going to really happen to me. Or, you know, kind of just lower the chances that it will. What advice would you give to guys on, you know, how to keep their name out of them type of headlines? It's important, you know, where you're going. You know, a lot of clubs you might go to. if it's younger and wilder, you know, the crowd a little more hood, you know, you might have somebody following you from there.

You might know, no telling, you know. But if you go like, see, it's different for a younger guy than it is for me. See, I'm pointing, so I can switch up the crowd. I can go to the OG clubs and just, you know, where it's more calm, you know, more working environment, you know. But when you're young, the options, I ain't so much, I ain't too many upscale options,

you know what I'm saying, and the clubs and stuff like that. So it's like, You're going to run into, you know, a lot of the, you know, riff-wrath when you're young, you know what I'm saying? Just being young, you know, I heard Benny was leaving the mile or something. Like, you know what I'm saying? Was it Walmart?

No, that might have been Boosie was Walmart. But he wasn't no one. Big Tee. No, Benny was at Walmart. Well, it was Walmart. Yeah, it wasn't nobody crazy. He was just at Walmart trying to get some, yeah. I heard he was leaving the Galleria area and that's safe.

So it's like, I'm like, you can't even call it. You know what I'm saying? So it's just getting crazy out here. It's where even the areas that's not known for violence, you'll see some pop up. You know, so it's kind of hard, man, that, you know, guide somebody now, especially, I would just say, no way. If you're not from there, be like, you know, like, you know, if you're out of town and you really don't know a lot of folks, like one chain, this little chain right here. You know, nobody ain't going to put out big chopper, hopefully, you know, for no cheap chock. You know what I'm saying?

That's what I would say to a rapper or somebody who young, just when you're out of town and out of bounds, if you ain't with your people and you ain't got your proper security right, right, light. You don't need all that, you know, extra bling on, you know, put your iPhone, your eyewatch on, you know, and then when you, it's time to perform or you with the right people, then step out like that.

But, you know, a lot of people are starving out here, man. And, you know, if you can't feed them, you can't stop them, you know what I'm saying from what they would do to feed them themselves. Mm, right. Yeah, does this make you even more concerned

for your own safety and well-being because of what's going on? Like, I'm sure you always are, but just even more so with what's going on. I'm a safety guy. I'm a concealed gun, you know, I got my license, you know, and everything. So I can roll.

I got about 20 chopper, you know, and people know that. But at the same time, I'm well connected to Houston. No, I know. everybody in the city too, you know what I'm saying? So it'll be different for me than it would be for somebody who's from out of town, you know what I'm saying?

Same as if I was to go to New York, I wouldn't be out there, you know, just anywhere, you know what I'm saying? I would definitely be with people I know or I would be trying to, I would be walking light. I wouldn't be out there, you know, jury and all that on. So it's out, but like I say, that ain't even it. It could be anything, you know what I'm saying? It's just crazy right now. It's something you just can't count.

and somebody just can't call. I've been trying to come up with it. Like I got with Bunby and a couple of rappers out the city. We talked to the mayor. I was really trying to, he was like, what can you, you know, what's your idea? My only idea was let's try to do like we did a mask up campaign for when Corona hit.

We had billboards around the city telling people mask up. I was saying, let's go to the local neighborhoods and put billboards up of the consequences of these crimes that they committed because I doubt a lot of them even consider that. You know, like, maybe you could put, like, robbing a stove for $1,000 to get you $20 to life, you know what I'm saying? It's the work. You know, that type of thing.

I don't know. Maybe if you see that on the sign, it'll make you think twice. But, you know, that's still, like, you know, trying something that you can't call it. At the end of the day, people want money, man. And when the bank got it, you just can't call it. You know, it's going to be dangerous. We have dangerous times. Dangerous times.

Dangerous times. Two things I love about that answer. One, Slim Thug was very clear. Don't try. Right. Like, he was very clear. Don't try it. He didn't say I got one, 380 that I keep up.

But he said I got a bunch of choppas and everybody knows. Don't try. Everybody know it. And number two, here's the situation. We all were talking about the day that what was happening

and the dysfunction that we see in this country from people not being able to eat, feed themselves. It was a big joke that rappers and other people were going to have to go on Only fans and do all of that stuff because the show money was going to dry it up. But it's not funny.

It's really not funny because if you ever been to a place to see, like, you can have a pet wolf and the wolf will, like, be dope to you and love you and whatever. The only thing, let them miss a meal. let the wolf miss a meal and then see how loyal he is then.

And if you ever been anywhere like that, you know how that's going down. So the only thing that's going to happen is then he's got to kind of start getting back to normal or else people go really, that stay at home order, it's not just going to be for corona. It's going to be for these bullets too

because this is a rash. Like I've never seen it in this type of situation back to back to back to back to back like that. is really, it's crazy out here. For you, as far as the COVID itself, first of all, before I even move on, how is face doing? Like, how is he?

Good. He's doing a lot better. I don't know about what's the update on the, he was trying to get a transplant. I don't know how that go. But last I seen face, we was actually performing out of town when it was opening back up. So to see him on stage, I thought that was good.

But he definitely looked at a lot better when I seen it. What was your experience with COVID like? My own wasn't that crazy, you know, but I'm, I ran three miles today. You know, I run three miles probably every day, go to the gym for about an hour. So I consider myself a healthy, you know, person or whatever. And I think that that helped with fighting it off. But my symptoms wasn't too crazy. You know, it was just, I was the poster child for it because I was like the first

rapper, pretty much, you know, people heard about having it, you know, and they kind of, and they kind of, you know, put me, I did a lot of interviews just to let people know it was real, you know, early. Yeah. Texas is out there setting records for all the wrong reasons. What's, I'm not there anymore, Slim. What's going on in our state? And I know you talked about the mask up campaign you're doing or you've been doing.

what else can we do to get people, one, just to stay safer, what we were talking about before with this violence, but two, also you've experienced COVID. You've been through it where, like I said, Texas is set in records. The country is having unprecedented numbers more than before. What can we do to fix this or to help it? It's going to be, they got to shut it down or something because people out here aren't listening. It's like, no, I think everybody out here is. heard, caught it, you know what I'm saying, and got over it together.

And then now they just not scared of it, you know. So everybody's moving like it doesn't exist. Honestly, I would, you know, just keeping it 1,000, everybody is moving like it really don't exist. I mean, you'll see people mask up and stuff like that, but at the same time, a lot of us is not really, you know, concerned, but they would really have to actually shut the whole city down, I think, to actually make people.

you know what I'm saying? Chill out because it's just really like keeping it real. People are just moving around like, you know, compared to other places. I've been a few other places and y'all shut down. We're not shut down. Everybody from out of town is in our town. You know what I'm saying?

Going out and turning up, you know, so. Are the clubs open? Clubs open. Yes. I didn't know that. It's pop. And PEC. Look on my story.

I was in the club last night. Slim. But see, that's not fair, though. See, that's fucked up. I have a mask gone. But you got, but you. No, they're catching it again. You got, you got, you got antibodies, though.

You got antibodies. That's not only last for a certain amount of time. Right. I'm telling you, like I tell you, I think everybody in Houston caught Corona together, and we all got over it together, and we all got our antibodies, and now we just moving around. Like, I just took a test recently. Like, I'm good.

You know, so, but I definitely, like, right now we're chilling now. At first, it was like we was moving and nobody was saying nothing about the numbers going up. Nobody was dying. Now, it's just these last couple days that we, you know, starting to get back serious about it like we was in the beginning, you know. But Houston then open, open. Would you, now, would you prefer that they shut some things down in Houston and close some things? the numbers don't go too crazy? What's your stance on that?

I don't know. I don't want to say that. And then I'm a promoter homeboy that's me out, you know, but, you know, it's like, I know they got to eat too, you know what I'm saying? But at the end of the day, you know, we want everybody to be healthy and safe. So if it took us shutting it down one more time,

it's wintertime, man, get you a wintertime boo and just chill, you know, for a couple weeks. Let's just out, get over, you know what I'm saying? All right, at the end of the day, I'm going to keep it real with y'all. I'm not a conspiracy. serious and me having Corona before, I'm going to take the vaccine.

I don't think real gay you want to feel a broke dude like something. I don't think he want to, I don't think Bill Gates can gain nothing from, you know, doing their no harm to me. So, you know, I will definitely take the vaccine

to get, I'm ready to get life back to normal, you know, for real. I got an idea about the vaccine. I want you to hear. I'm going to test my idea on racial and slimp a first. All right. Now, seriously.

This is my vaccine idea. I'm serious. This is true. This is real. This is serious. Okay. All right. So black people have every reason to be distrustful of medical science.

Every reason. All right. They told us they was going to cure our syphilis. They didn't do nothing. All right? They come. They drop crack off in the neighborhood. If a doctor on there and they're talking to you is, so what we have to do is inside the

community, we have to. have somebody that we all trust take the vaccine first and then we got to watch him. Okay? Not me. Denzel one. 1% of stuff.

Denzel Washington. No, Denzel Washington, bro. Why not Slim? He already volunteered his tribute. Slim Thubb could take it too, but people are going to be like, yo, Slim Thug might be with them. He already had the road.

Yeah. You know what I'm saying? He might. My thing is. They think you got paid to say I had Corona. They think they'll be looking for old pictures with Slim Thug and Bill Gates. I think what you need is Denzel Washington, the most trustworthy black man in America. He take the vaccine first.

We wait six weeks and then we say it's good for the hood. It would have been Will Smith, but he had a rough summer. But like Denzel Washington take the vaccine. Is that not a good idea? If Denzel takes it and it don't fuck up Denzel, then I think the rest of us could take the vaccine, I think people would be down with that. Obama. That'll be good.

Obama. That's it. That's the one. That'll be cool. Obama. I think people are trusted after that. But I ain't a lot, man. I believe in medicine.

I'm the type of dude who if I get a stuffed up nose, I'm trying to get a, you know, sinus shot or something, you know. So I'm serious about medicine. So I don't, I don't, I just wanted to get back to normal. You know what I'm saying? I'm ready for the world. Get back to normal. You know, I'm just tired of this corona stuff. It's kept... Yeah. But man,

these people got to be able to get some money because if they... See, because we blinded right now with corona time of the economy, the actual economy of what's, you know, really going on. And these people are, like, that's why this crime rate is going up.

These people don't have... Them checks ran out. You know, at first everybody was scamming and getting their little, you know, 1,200 plus, you know, and now that's running out. So it's going to only get worse if they don't open it up. So we need to do something.

I'm going to ask you one last question, and I know you're not going to want to answer it. Okay. I'm from Ban Rouge. Yeah. You from Houston, Louisiana, Texas. We get along, but this is what I'm about to do. I'll put together, you know how on the internet

they do them little starting fives from different basketball eras? And then they say, can you beat the starting five? All right. I put together. the Louisiana starting five of rappers. All right? This is our starting five.

I'm going to see if Texas can fuck with us. This is our starting five. We got six men. So our starting five is, you know. Six man. Obviously, Wayne. Obviously Wayne. So this is Wayne.

It's Master Pete, Boosie, juvenile, and I'm going to throw a, I'm going to throw a curveball. I'm going to put J. Electronics in there. Now, I could have, there's a lot of people I could have

fuck with, I could have fuck with Kevin Gates. I could have fuck with BG is the sixth man. BG is definitely the six man. Gizel, yeah. BG is definitely the six man. I don't want to, I don't, see, the thing with BG is that BG mean more to us, but juvenile just went crazy.

You know what I mean? So, but BG definitely the six men. So Wayne, Jalek, MasterP, Bousie, and Juvenile. That's the starting five I'm going to give you for Louisiana. rappers. All right. Shout out young boy, Kevin Gates, all of them. They would be in the next generation. But in this one right here, that's what I'm going to give you. Can Texas put together a starting five that could compete with Louisiana? I think so. Maybe not sales wise,

but legendary wise. Yeah. We got Pimsy, we got Scarface. Oh, man. Oh, man. We got Bunby. You know what I said? If we want to go young, we got Travis Scott, you know, who was the whole We got Megan and Stalian. Oh, man. Man. Man. Okay. Okay.

Yeah, no, no. I'm like a lie. Wait a minute. I thought I was about to fuck over this man. You were ready. Wait, wait, wait. I'm so glad we have Texas representation on here because he tries to

do me every single podcast. Megan. Thank you, Slim. So Pipscham's Scarface, Bumbie, Megan, and then who else you got? Travis Scott. Damn, that's tough. Yeah, Travis Scott, yeah.

He didn't even need a six-man. You did. Well, we got six-men. We got a lot of six-man. They got a lot of six-man. They got a whole era. All right, we go to the table's inside. Texas is an underground, like, you know, state, but for the most part.

But, you know, we got a few superstars. We ain't even going to bring a Beyonce or none of them in the, you know, we're going to leave them out of this. Yeah, yeah. Beyonce out. See what I'm saying? What are we talking about rap? Yeah, you got to leave Beyonce out. Right. She got bars. Yeah, she can spit. She can spit. All right, Slim, bro. You just dropped this year, man. Yeah. When you, like, it came out this past March. I mean, when you, when you coming back,

what's on the, what's on the horizon for you right now career-wise? In Texas, we underground. So I'm constantly putting music out whether even people know it. I'm going to drop every year. at least two projects every year. But a lot of it be underground. Some of them might be on other people beach, you know, sometimes. But that's just what my fan base, been supporting, you know, so I continue to just beat them what they won't. But I dropped Thug Life early in March.

Then I dropped one with Killicallion. I teamed with Checkers. We just gave out 200 burgers in the hood this week. So I got a collaboration with Cheggers I'm going to be doing. Me and Martel collaborated. So I've just been doing a lot of that, you know, collaborating with different companies, trying to give back through that, you know,

different stuff like that in the city, you know. It's been good, man. I'm blessed. Really on a cool, like, you asked me about a youngster. I forgot what it was, but how I won in the game was I always been independent and on my master's like day one. So now I can just like, you know, really live off of the old music on the cool, but I continue to drop new,

you know, just to feed my fan base. I might not go sell a platinum record and then, but at the end of the day, it keeps adding up, and, you know, it's been able to work out for them. So I'm happy. That's worth,

that's real. That's real. That's real. That's real. All right. I want y'all to shout out of legend, man. All over the place since I was in college, when we was,

when we was head down in Houston, you know what I'm saying, watching the Rockets play with Robert Pack, used to be over there doing this thing. And we realized that, go into a place like Houston and being with a nigger that say he got a key to the hood and you

good, got to be the right nigga. Because you'll be in a situation. And that's just by the way, that's just good advice for all of y'all. You're going to Houston, you're going to Atlanta, you're going to Brooklyn, you're going to these places. Don't worry, you're good, you're good. Make sure he good.

Because if not, everybody will be bad. Very important. That's very important. Because a lot of people will say that they good and don't really be good. Right. If you touch down in Houston, like if you're a rapper, honestly keeping in 1,000, a good person to get with is Jake Prince, man.

You know, like, he is really like the real, you know what I'm saying? Streaks police. Like, you know, like a lot of the rappers touch down, they go get with Jay Prince, and then, you know, Jake Jr., show them around the town, you know. And it's good. You know, they usually take care everybody in the city. So that's somebody good than though in Houston for real. Yeah, I interviewed Mr. Prince, so maybe if I, maybe I can come through, maybe I'm good.

All right, bro, we appreciate you. We appreciate you taking the time, man. Seriously, bro, a legend and glad to see that you're recovered. Glad to see that you're doing all right. And glad to see that you still getting money because them boys is like seven feet tall each. And it got to cost a lot to feed all them boys, man. You see some dudes, boys? No, I haven't.

How tall your sons? Oh, man. Honestly, my second son, he just brought it up. I don't know exactly what he is. My oldest is 19, he's 6, 6. My second son is 15. He'll by 6, 5, at least got to be by now. My youngest is 8.

I don't know how tall he is, but he just got a gross perk. But, man, yeah, I got some jazz, man. Hopefully one of them play basketball. Give me a return on all this money I've been spending on them. All right, bro. You know, man. We appreciate you, Doc. Appreciate you having me, man. Yeah, have a good one.

All right. All right, peace. Wise works from a good man right there, Slint Thug. Yeah, what's happening right now is an epidemic is actually pretty frightening in terms of what's going on in the game, man. You know, Slim been around for a long time.

You will not find anybody to say too bad words about him. So it's just an interesting time when the Mo3 thing happened there in Dallas. You talked about that. and then Boosie and then Benny and then, man, King Vaughn before that. It's the way it's happening. I mean, like, it's a tragedy in itself,

but getting chased down on the freeway and midday, like people aren't have no regard for life. That's what I'm not understanding. And this is some beef that is four years old. It's crazy. We got to do better. We got to do better. We got to be better as a community.

Yeah, and we also have to deal with some of the things. And remember that, like, a lot of these situations, like, people don't have much else to do. They don't have much else to do. They're stewing over certain things, man. And certain things are just really, really, really, it's really a scary time in a lot of ways, man. And I hope everybody can bear down and like, we can get through this.

It's really in a lot of ways. It's a, it's a very, very scary time. Okay. Love that with slimmed up. Man, I did not think Houston was going to be able to compete with Louisiana without top five. Yeah, you stay underestimating Houston. Now, I was a little upset.

He didn't name anybody from Dallas, but he did name some really great Texans, so I can't say anything about that. Yeah, also, my Louisiana, you know, my Louisiana list, that's my list. You know what I mean? It was a good list. Yeah, like Wayne, J. Electronica,

which I throw in that as a personal one, Master P, Boo, Boost, juvenile, BG. It's a good list to me. That's a good list. And wait, who, Travis, that's, I always, I forget Travis. I forget Travis Scott thing. Yeah, Megastalian, Pimsy, Fonby.

He didn't even name himself. Yeah, all of UGQ. He had UGK. Yeah, UGK. Yeah, UGK. We got to get this started, by the way, in terms of different states, put your top five together.

I like it. Yeah, the higher learning. We're going to start that higher learning rise. Different state, put your top five together. Yeah, Pimsy, Bumbie, Scarface, Megan Estalia, and Travis Scott. That's crazy. Yeah. That's crazy.

Like, that really is crazy. I mean, it's a gang of rappers from Houston. He didn't even put on that list. First of all, himself. That's what I was going to say. Paul. Third of all, chameleon. I mean, it's just, it's a lot of guys.

Trey. Zero. Trey the truth. Yeah. Big Mo. It's just like so many guys. You know, so many guys that's not on that list. DSR.

DSR, who is that? Really? I never heard of him. Who's DSR? Dirty South Riders from Dallas. Tom. Tom, Tom, fat bastard, big talk. Oh, shit.

You know who did not make the Houston list? Oh. Because I don't know who. I don't know who you talking about DSR. Anybody who's from Dallas knows exactly that I'm talking about. Who are you talking about? I'm going to be honest with you. Fat Pat.

Fat Pat. What a fat? Legend. That's what he said. Houston has legends. He said legend. You got legends, man. Fat Pat.

If y'all, I know y'all haven't heard a lot of these guys. But if you never heard of fat pat, if you don't know fat pat, man, go with his fat pat was the fucking man. Little Kiki. All of those guys. They got a lot of guys.

Nobody, it's just you and me talking. Most people are like that. If you're not from the area, you're not going to really know a lot of. A lot of these people. It's a lot of other. We forgets the Celo, Youngbleed. You know, all of these people from Louisiana, too,

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All right. So big deal this weekend happened, went down in D.C. The million mag of March, Trump supporters took to Washington, D.C. in mass. All of the usual suspects were there. Proud boys. There were a couple of neo-Nazis. And then I'm assuming that there were just some Americans who were just also, I guess, not super unbelievably racist, yet fed up with the left and big-time Trump supporters and supporters of the president.

Now, you can't have a problem with racism if you're a supporter. I'm not going to get into all that. But whatever. It was a big deal. There were some clashes. What were your thoughts on the Million Maga March now that we know how things went down? Well, I guess I was like under a rock because I didn't know that this was coming.

I didn't know it was happening. I saw on Twitter what was trending was BLM and Antifa. So to dig deeper into it and realize it was crazy that that's what was trending and I didn't see the proud voice trending at all. Maybe that's just how my Twitter set up. I know everybody's is like, it's different. Did you see that trending?

So the way the story looked to me was that it was BLM supporters and Antifa that were causing all these problems. And to do a deeper dive into it, that wasn't the case. My first thought, though, when I heard about this was, my gosh, can we have anything? Million Maga March? You're just going to take a name, the Million Man March, which is something that was for us, something that is supposed to be about positivity. And you guys are going to the streets marching about. about something where there's no evidence where judges are constantly throwing out these cases

and you're just spewing lies. It's crazy to me. I know we talked about this before and we anticipated that there would be protests, but this is a little different, right? Like, you can be upset that your person didn't win. But I guess I get conflicted on the message that you're putting out there because the whole thing that, you know, a lot of Trump supporters put out there is that we are for, you're for America and you love this country. Okay. So you're, you're, person didn't win. But if you love this country, then you need to get behind the person who's leading your country because you love it so much and you want to see it thrive. To me, it is the complete opposite for you to go out in the streets and fight against the system when all you're doing

is causing division within the country. I just, I don't understand it. I also just don't understand a whole march that's based off of false accusation and lies. But here we are, you know, with the proud boys and Trump supporters. So, Yeah, so the real estimates, they didn't get close to a million people. The real estimates were around 10,000 people showed up to the million. Which is still a lot. It's a lot of people. It's a lot of people to descend on Washington, D.C.

Obviously, there were going to be tensions that rose. I think the prowboys weren't trending, but there was a video of the proud boys trending, and their initiation ritual that they have. I don't know if you saw that. Punching his guy, he was saying all of this stuff about he's a Western chauvinness and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And I have a small penis and all of the other things. is the thing we're saying.

Yeah, that's one of the things that's probably say. You have to, in order to be a problem, you have to have microbeats. I'm sorry, what? You didn't know this? No. Are you kidding? No, true.

It's like written in their bylaws, like, so they have to take a peek. There's a, like, you can't be past a certain number. Yeah, I'm not sure what the number is. I'm being serious now. I'm not sure what the number is, but I think it starts with like, I think Gavin McInnes himself is kind of the guy he started.

I think he's like a, like at full attention. I think he's like 3.1. So I think, yeah, to be a proud boy, to be a problem is you have to have a micro penis. It's part of it. Continue with the story. What? They're so, I mean, it sounds like a group session, you know,

what I mean? For like to gather if you have a micro penis, you know, like come here, you're in a safe place. First of all, first of all, I'll say this, there's nothing wrong with having a micropinus. If you have a micro penis, you have a micropus. I'm not saying that. It's just to put it down in your bylaws as, you know.

Now, let me ask you a question. You really think that the proud boys have in their bylaws that you have to. I asked you like four or five times. And you keep going to. I obviously made that up. You, but I led you down the primrose path of micro penis. I led you down the micropinus yellow. I didn't believe you.

believe you, but after the fourth time, I'm like, okay, surely he'll tell me. Yeah, you let me, I walked that yellow brick row. You walked the micro penis yellow big row just did. I sang the song. I did. I sang the song. Right. Oh my God.

No, so they, you know, they have to say, I'm a Western show in this and I don't want to, you know, go to the library or whatever it is. Look, Powerboys, whatever. And that was going around. More to the point, I guess what was happening is, there were obviously. skirmishes. If you have 10,000 people coming together in that type of situation, then people going about their business in D.C. There might be counter protests, and as we saw in other places, like Charlottesville,

like Portland, there were skirmishes between Trump's, I guess, supporters and then people on the other side of that. I guess for me, the interesting thing was that The Million Maga March is what people thought that they would see in American cities all over the nation. Right. If Donald Trump lost the election or once the election was called. Right. And I got to be real with you, you really haven't seen that.

Nope. You really haven't seen very much of people just going off, going ham because their guy won or lost. I've seen, like I was driving down Santa Monica. in Beverly Hills. They had a big gathering because police were there. But when I say big, I think it had the potential to be big. It wasn't that big when I saw. There might have been 50 people out there.

But they were all set up for Trump. I've seen people on Wilshire standing on the corners, you know, with Trump signs and playing God bless America or something like that. But no, no marches, no nothing. So why do you think that they waited until like, wouldn't you think it would have been last weekend? Well, I think last weekend, there was a look. We found out Saturday. I think last weekend, there was a little bit more hope because at this point, by the time the Million Maga March had started, all the states have gone. Of all the states that were contested, the only one that the president was able to actually pull out was, I think, North Carolina.

Yeah. Georgia was called for them. Pennsylvania was called for them. Nevada was called for them. Arizona was called for them. So there is nothing. I don't know how better to say it. There's nothing.

There's no hope in any actual way. I mean, there are all of these sort of cloak and dagger ways and speculative ways that people talk about. He could still do something. But in the actual world of whatever, it was a pretty, about thin, margins, but a pretty clear mandate from the American people. So I think that the Mayama March now was more about emoting than it was about actually trying to affect anything. That's exactly what it is.

I mean, you look at the right. I mean, obviously, the violence isn't fine. But yes, they definitely have their right. I just wish they would have chosen a different name. You couldn't pick anything else. It's like, it is what it is. But I honestly thought it would have been done sooner. Yeah, I mean, really, the bottom line is I don't really give a fuck about the million maga march.

I don't care. I don't care what they do. What I care about is a peaceful and constructive transition so that America can get down to the business that America has to do. The reason I care is because of the lies that are being told. I think that's what there really are people who are spewing out this misinformation without any facts. any rhyme or reason. And I think that's what's troubling because you still had 10,000 people that went out there. You know, that was just D.C. Think of all the people who voted for Trump, all the people around this country who actually believe this rhetoric that Trump and his administration

are putting out there. I mean, Trump even drove by them and gave them, you know, basically like the high five from his car when he was on his way to the golf course. That, if we're trying to move together and not that I thought it would happen 10 days after the election, it was called. But it's just when you see stuff like that, you have to remember there is a huge issue with people who are still supporting these type of beliefs.

I think that's what that march symbolizes and that's why it's troubling. Yeah, well, hopefully they got their money's worth. The president and, I mean, listen, hopefully it is, listen, that hopefully they got to get it all off their chest. The president himself is sort of signaling that he's getting a little bit more comfortable with,

with, I guess, accepting the results of the election? He acted like it, and he didn't act like he, he's going to faint to the very end, but I think it's going to all be over here pretty soon. Now, something that happened last week

that we didn't talk about involving a guy who I know. Who? I want to ask you a question about this. Carl Wins, do you know who that is? Pastor Carl Lins from the Hills on Church. I do know who he is. Okay. So, Pastor Carl Lins. is a pal of mine. And so I don't know if people heard.

He is. Okay. He is. I don't know if people heard, but Pastor Carl Lince was fired from his post at Hillsong because he had an extra marital affair. So he's a big time pastor. You guys know Carl Lins.

He was the guy that kind of brought Justin Bieber back from the edge. And now Justin Bieber has given his life over to God. And it's a different Justin Bieber, but it wasn't Justin Bieber. it was, you know, it was Tyson Chandler. He was very, very, very close with a basketball player who plays now for the Brooklyn Nets. Tall guy went to Texas. His name is Kevin Durant.

Carl Lenz was very cool with Kevin Durant. Shout out to Kevin Durant. Honestly, I thought you were explaining to me Tyson Chandler and I was like fully aware of who he is. No, shout out to Kevin Durant. That's all I'm going to say. Every time he comes up on this podcast, just shout out to Casey. Which is almost never, but. Kevin Durant.

So, yeah, he was fired because he got into an extra marital affair. The whole sorted story is out there. If you want to listen to that story or get into that story, you can. I'm going to ask you a question, Rachel. Okay. Is it right that they fire past a call, that they fired him? Is it right that they fired past a call? So do we know the full details of the story?

Because I don't have this statement in front of me, but the church put out a statement and said more than just he had an extra marital affair. They didn't even say that. He came out and said that. They didn't say what exactly was the basis of the firing. Now there are these other reports about mishandling money or something like that. I personally think it was more than just the extra marital affair as to why he was fired. And the reason I say that is because this Hill Song isn't a church.

like a Mormon religion where you get excommunicated from the church. It's, there is very much so. It's about forgiveness and acceptance and, you know, repenting of your sins. And so I feel like if it was just that, there could really be a lesson that was learned. And he could really mentor and be an example for so many people in that church. Because I personally, when pastors come forward, like my pastor, for example, in Dallas, came out and said he had an addiction. to porn. And a lot of the elders in the church were furious. But for the younger people, I think it was like, wow, a lot of times, you know, like I feel like growing up, especially in a small, you know,

Baptist church, you look at these people who lead it as if they're almost like they're Christ like in the sense that they don't sin. They don't sin that much. So when you hear your, your pastor say, hey, I make mistakes too. I'm human as well. And I'm man enough or woman enough to admit that, then I think that there's, that does something to your congregation in a positive way, personally. Not everybody feels that way. That's how I feel. So I think for them to let go of him, because he's so influential and he is such, he's

almost the face of Hill Song, I think there was more to it. And I respect the fact that the church isn't talking about it. Okay. So let's say that, because, you know, I don't know whether or not there's more to it. I know that now that somebody's gone, you're going to come out and... I'll be honest with you. I don't think that there's more to it.

I think this is the reason why Pastor Carl is fired. Because he's your friend? No. Because I think that if there was more to it, if you want to fire Pastor Carl over something that had to do with money or something like that, did you just find out about that? Was that something that wasn't worth firing him

four months ago or three months ago? How do you know they weren't building a case? Well, what I do know, know is that the whole marriage infidelity thing was something that they recently found out and acted very swiftly on firing.

And he didn't come forward with that. They saw messages. Is that correct? There was something, yeah, it was kind of found out. That they found it out and then it was going to, they felt like I guess it was going to come out and then they fired him. So anything else to me that it's almost kind of like

you know, you fire someone for something else, you fire something for someone and people go, oh, that's wrong, you shouldn't have fired them. And then you go, oh, well, they were coming in late too. Like, that happens all the time. We just don't know. I mean, how do you not know that they saw the messages and they confronted him and he lied about it? And then they were like,

bro, we got evidence. Well, no, well, no, because part of the people, I mean, his wife also works for Hill Song. And by the way, they also got rid of her. Or, like, from what I understand, his wife also works for Hill song. So I think that I don't think that there was very much lying that was going on. I think that it was found out

and she confronted him about it and she had to, and they had to come to it. I guess this is my question. And this is the question I'm asking. And forget about the fact that that I know Pastor Carl. Forget about the fact that I know Pastor Carl. Let's say that it's only because of

the infidelity that he was fired. Let's say it's just because of that. What is Christianity about? I love, I love, I love Jesus. I love spirituality. I love in the times that I've been going through right now,

I wake up every morning and I go, yo, I'm going through a tough time, but I'm grateful for it. I'm grateful for the tough time, you know? I'm not about to, you know, sometimes I go, yo, why is this happening to me? I just want to live a nice, normal life. I don't mess with nobody, sure.

But, you know, I go, I'm grateful for it. But I guess my thing is, once you go into a church and you're sitting in the church, they tell you, they say, hey, listen, here's so-and-so. They were down and out. They were drug-addicted.

They were selling drugs. They were doing all of these things that were against God. We brought God to your life. Here they are. Boom, success story. Everybody, Jesus can save you. Jesus can save you.

At one point, just Jesus stopped saving you. Because what I'm saying, what I'm saying is that if the entire game is, I guess my question is, would Jesus have fired Paracostal? Okay. He's not excommunicated, right?

Which is what I definitely don't believe in, right? I don't believe you kick somebody out of a religion. He's, and again, I will speak solely on just the affair, even though I feel like I would like to believe that there was more to the story as to why he was fired.

Right. But let's just say it's just that. He didn't come forward. He was still continuing in the affair. He got caught. That is what we can agree to. Of course. So maybe you're not equipped at this moment.

You didn't come forward with this. You're not, you're repenting because you got caught. You know, like you're admitting it and speaking out about it because you got caught. So maybe you're not equipped to lead this church right now because for all we know, you would have continued down this sinful path. To me, that is what they're saying. You're not equipped right now. You can still attend the church.

You can be a part of the church, but you can't lead this church. You've gotten caught up. That's how I am taking it. Now, if you've kicked out the church and I got a whole other, I got something else to say about that because I don't believe in that. That's not Christ's like. Jesus wouldn't do that. So then the people that lead the church, then those people are perfect.

They're not going to make a mistake. that he's perfect and Christianity doesn't teach you that. It's not about being perfect. But are they leading the church? And I think if it was a board, I don't know, I don't know the setup of the church. But if you're leading the church, you're asking me this question,

and I'm just saying personally. First of all, Pastor Carl is not the leader of Hill Song. He is probably their most popular pastor. But he leads the New York church. He's the leader of it. So, so like, what I'm saying is that what, so if you're the leader of the church, then you walk

because see all these other guys that we're talking about Swagger, Kurt Franklin, John Gray, by the way, I'm not coming at these guys. These are all great.

Did John Gray have some? Didn't something happen to John Gray? Yeah, they did. They did. But they did. All of these guys did. But you know why those guys weren't fired?

The reason why those guys weren't fired is because nobody can fire them. It's because they're the tip of the spirit, their churches, right? So when you look at these guys, Like nobody can fire them. There's no checks and balances. There are other guys that have gotten in trouble like that guy in Colorado and stuff like that,

that everyone has got together and say, hey, you got to go. But those guys, so I guess what I'm saying is that to me, religion, especially tenets of religion, it has to be dynamic. And it has to be dynamic, meaning you can't just say it. You have to show it. And I'm starting to become a little disillusion, and not disillusioned with God. God, but disillusioned with some of my fellow

man, because if Christianity should be easy, there's Jesus. Jesus is right there. It's not, there's not a lot of science that goes into it. Jesus is right there. And he says, hey, everybody can come to this party. I'm super

open. I don't judge anybody. I don't come down on anybody. I don't throw anybody away. As a matter of fact, before I judge you, before I let you go down for stuff that you've done, I'll climb up on the cross and I'll die for you. I'll die for you. But to me, but to me,

that is precisely what modern Christians do not do. They look for any reason, a lot of them, they look for any reason to judge you, any reason to say that you are unholy, any reason to go wrong with things that are ungodly, any reason, and then once you do make a mistake, they fire you, and they kick you out.

He wasn't weird. Okay. I have a whole, I just want to preface this whole conversation. If they want to suspend, Pastor Carl. I have a huge problem. Because we have no idea

why he was actually let go. Because their statement does not say he was let go for an extramarital affair. It doesn't say he was like go for a sin. But I will, I will talk. Maybe you've talked to him. I will talk in the context.

He was fired because of the, he was fired because the church was about to be embarrassed in the affair. Which, by the way, the unfair is a terrible thing. But here's my thing. You said, okay, I'll address something you said. You said Christianity is supposed to be easy. I actually do not believe that.

Because if you follow what you're Christians are supposed to be Christ-like, right? Like you're supposed to try, you obviously we all sin. We all fall short of the glory of God. But if you're striving to be Christ-like, then you struggle with that every day. Right? We're sinning all the time. There's so many, I'm not talking. separate from the judgment,

talking about the way you walk in your own walk, it is a struggle every day to not do something that's sinful. That's a struggle. That's hard. The judging thing, I'll agree with you on. I just wanted to talk about that.

I just feel with Carl that I don't know if he's been suspended from the church. I know he's been fired from the position that he had. I would be very upset if he was kicked out of the church. That to me goes against. Christianity. But for him to be let go, I have an issue with that I feel different if he came forward and said I had an affair. He hit it. He was still continuing doing it. And the only reason he stopped is because he got caught. I personally... Well, that's not quite the way that it went, but it's close.

Maybe you're privy to more information than me. So you have to also understand, I'm speaking based on the little information I know. The lady is also given a couple of reviews. What I'm saying is this. And living is not easy. So I'm not saying that Christianity is supposed to be easy. I'm saying the example is pretty easy. The example is easy, right? So Christianity itself definitely not easy. But the example is easy.

So if you're in a situation to, so if you're in a situation to where you're like someone wrongs you or someone does anything, like Jesus gave you the cliff notes already on how you handle that. Right. It's already there. Jesus gave you the cliff notes on that. So it shouldn't be much thinking that you have to do. The reality is the, and you struggle with that. Now, the part where you struggle with,

you struggling with it, that's the not easy part. Getting smacked around and then trying to be a passive is or trying to not prejudge people, that's the not easy part. But how you're supposed to go about it, that's the easy part.

There's not a lot of ambiguity there, right? So, like, firing him, if in fact he's fired, well, he's not some sort of secret suspension if he's fired, is about the least Christian thing you can do. So what should they have done?

They should have suspended Pastor Carl for a long time and walked people through the retribution of someone who's falling short of the glory of God. You definitely have to suspend them because in the Bible and also in life, there are things, but then you have to walk

people through how someone who breaks and then becomes broken gets put back together whole, not just by God, but by the church. That's the church's job. But, and I agree with everything that you're saying. Don't, don't think I don't agree with that. Has he been kicked out of the church? I don't know. So all we know is that he lost his position.

He lost his money. He lost his pension. He lost his insurance. That's what he was. lost at the moment, right? If he had been suspended, which I think is wrong as well. Maybe it would have been, maybe it would have been, and here's the other thing.

I have no idea. Now I'm going to talk from a legal standpoint. I have no idea what type of contract he signed with them. And if he signed a contract where there was a moral turpitude clause, then that's his fault. Well, then he,

they're legally firing him. That is, they put it in there and he signed it. I'm not talking about what's legally permissible. I'm talking about what spiritually spiritually clean. And I think that you have to be removed where everyone comes in.

I just think you have to be removed from that post. I do. Because you're not mentally equipped. It'd be different. If he came forward, I would have a whole different speech. But you got caught.

You got caught. That means, there's a total difference. No one is mentally, no one is mentally equipped. It's weird to say, hey, everyone sins and falls short and then God can make you whole.

But man, we're going to pass by that mandate. That's not it. We're going to tap you on your... How is it not? No, there's a total difference. Like, let's just be honest. You are on a different... Call it right or wrong.

But when you're a pastor of a church, you're on a pedestal. You're on a different level, right? You're held almost to a different standard. Call it right or wrong, it's the truth. Is it not? But it's not right. is my thing.

You're a human being. But it's, but it is the truth. You are a human being. And nobody's saying that Carl Lentz can't sin. But the deception behind what he was doing. And I'll just talk about the affair. The deception behind what he was doing and the fact that he didn't have the integrity or the character to say, hey, guys, this is what I've been doing and I'm wrong.

But instead it's an oops. I got caught my bad. Now I'm sorry. There's a difference in that. There's a difference. saying there's not, there's a difference to us, but there's not a difference to God. You're right. No sin is greater than the other.

But under God's eyes, it's not difference. We're talking about on earth and you leading a church. Right. And when I'm talking about right now, what you think they would have done to Jesus? What if he had been with Mary Magdalene? What did you think they would have done to Jesus? I mean, I was honest with you. And this is the point.

Jesus didn't even do anything. And they did them that way anyway. So the point is, like, I mean, I'm just serious. Like the point is that we is, and I'm certainly not comparing Pastor Carl to Jesus, but what I'm saying is that either this is a situation, either Christianity or religion is a place to where you can be less than perfect, mess up, not fuck the fuck being less than perfect. You can fuck up royally.

You can be the worst. You can do all of this stuff. You can deceive your wife. You can put your family in jeopardy, and then you can come back and be made whole again. Either is that or it's not. There's no middle. But you can. He can still be that without holding that position.

Unless he was kicked out of church, period, you can still find your way back. Like them saying he's not going to longer going to leave. I don't agree with that. You take the position and you're saying you're not good enough to be a pastor. So a pastor can do whatever they want to do because under God's eyes, they can be forgiven. You could do whatever you want to do. But because God is a forgiving God and the church and we all sin, it's all good.

I don't hold a pastor to a different standard than I hold anyone that's in the church. But most people do. The pastor understands the message better. The pastor might be a better orator. He or she. Like they understand it. they might be a better orator.

It might, but as far as how I forgive or how I look at somebody coming back after they've messed up, I don't think God has a special category for that. I didn't say that. But you, but your basic,

I just want you to know, your argument is that my pastor can do whatever he wants in his private life as long as he comes and repents to God. So he can be at the trip. I'm not saying, he can be doing,

but yes, but it's fine. That's what the Bible says. He should never, no, but it's about leading a flock of people. There's a difference. There's a difference. So when you leave the flock, you got to be perfect.

No, but you got to be striving towards being Christ-like. Is that not what the Bible teaches? So your pastor with the porn addiction, first of all, which side was it? Did he say? No, I didn't ask. And he didn't say. I don't think he was trying to lead the flock to the porn. It was just more of, I want to come to you guys and say this. And no, he wasn't fired. It would be. And I don't think he should. It would be crazy. It would be crazy. if he was like, yo, I have a porn addiction. And I got to tell you guys, I used to wake up. WWW.

Go to Porn Hub. I used to search stepmom and stepson videos. And I tell you something. And then y'all just jumped in like, oh, pastor, stop reliving it. That didn't happen. Because the stepmom shit goes hard. But stepmom. Like, yeah, stepmom, step parents.

I didn't ask. He didn't give. He didn't get. He didn't get fired? Nope. He didn't get fired? Nope. He decided he wanted to come out and talk about it.

When caught, wasn't, the elders weren't like, you need to come and talk about it. He did a whole... You don't know the backstory, though. You don't know the backstory. Somebody might have been surfing the church...

Surfing the church service. My dad's a deacon in the church, I wouldn't know. Did you check your dad's browser history? Did you check his browser history? This is why the judge will never be on the podcast. The judge. All right, guys, look, just, you know, whatever, man. I hope that Carl Lentz, you know,

I really hope, I think he is amazing at what he does. And I think that, you know, he'll be back doing what he does best in front of people. sometime soon. Maybe he'll start his own church. Maybe he'll be emboldened by some of the things that you're saying and say, you know what? I want to build a community where, you know, I can have extramarital affairs, but it's at the end of the day. Okay. Okay. At the end of the day. Okay. Hopefully, hopefully, the first thing, hopefully that a family can stay together and hopefully lessons have been learned and people understand the way to their decisions. But I can tell you, thing. It's a good man. It's a godly man.

Never said he's not. And and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and. There's a lot of people's lives who are better off right now. Gosh, I could get into. I could get into a whole conversation and maybe that's another day of why this this continues to happen. Well, because he's happened. The extramarital affairs? Mega mega, mega leaders of mega churches. Oh, there's the, but there's, but there's no mystery to

that. There's no mystery. Jimmy Swagger. Jim Baker. All of this. Swagger. I knew. I mean, I'm saying, but there's no mystery to that. There's no mystery to that at all. There's also no mystery to why guys like Kenneth Copeland and all of those guys get on there and say grotesque things like that too is because after a while, those guys become kings in their own right. Yes, it's a heroes complex. Yeah. And like it, you. You know, You feel like, I mean, Kenna Copeland got a plane. You got a plane.

Not alone. You know what I'm saying? So it's not, there's no secret. And by the way, that was, it was like that in the Bible too. David,

one of God's greatest, greatest, David had a dude killed. David sure did. So that he could be down with his wife. Put him on the front lines. Sure did. Listen.

It's nothing new. It's nothing to figure out. I can understand. why people are not religious. I really can. All right. So, look,

that's all the podcast we got for you. You heard Rachel here. Rachel, Puritan Rache. This is a Puritan Rage. Ready to burn all y'all witches at the stake. Wow. This is what you would call an exaggeration,

you guys. This is what you call. And you know, and you know they'll be all up in your DMs talking about me. It's all right. You know, keep listening to the podcast. Bash recap coming next episode.

We also have to talk about the bash recaps. There's been a little pushback from some of the people. There's a little pushback. They have said with you finally. Jesus. About time they turn on you. There's a little pushback from some of the bash recaps.

Bash recaps next episode. Also more, the news is happening so fast, you guys. there's a Boy Scout story just broke while we're recording this, and it's fucking disgusting. We'll have a little bit more on that on the next podcast. And also I'll tell you guys how my trip to the doctor went, my trip to the electrochysiologist on Thursday. I definitely will.

All right, you guys can take the cap's off, but do not stop learning. I am Van Lathen. I am Rachel Lindsay. Oh, can I just say thank you to all the thought warriors. So many of you reached out, especially teachers about my nephew and the story And then I told him so many people just really were, it's beautiful this community that we're building.

So I just want to acknowledge you all. I did not have time to respond to everybody, but just wanted to say thank you. He is doing well. He is now sitting at a table of three children. Yes, he is coming. Little Alistair's coming up in the world. So thank you, you guys. Really appreciate that.

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