Higher Learning with Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay - Stacey Abrams for Governor, and Yet Another School Shooting | Higher Learning | The Ringer

Episode Date: December 3, 2021

Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay discuss Stacey Abrams’s second gubernatorial bid (15:50), Chris Cuomo’s suspension from CNN (25:52), and Kyle Rittenhouse’s status at Arizona State (40:55). Also, the problem of gun violence continues in light of the Oxford High School tragedy in Michigan (58:59), and Thought Warriors get their mailbag questions answered (1:25:38).   Hosts: Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay Producers: Trudy Joseph and Donnie Beacham Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Yo, yo, yo, thought warriors. What is up? Our learning is on. It is I, Van Lathin, Jr. And it's me, Rachel and Lindsay. Let's jump right into it. Rachel has a problem with learning about animals. No, I don't.

I have two animals that live in my household. I don't have a problem with learning about animals. Here's my thing. So to give y'all some context, prior to the podcast, Van was talking about animals, different types. I guess questions that arose while he was on his vacation in Turks and Kicos. It's got his mind wondering. And he's starting to inquire about animals.

And I don't have the answers. Trudy doesn't. Donnie doesn't. And Van brought up the point that we stopped learning about animals after what, the age of 10 at an early age, basically. And I said... Which we talked about before with the sea lion debate. And I'm sure our thought warriors forgot about that until now, as did I. My point being is that I love animals.

I just, unless there is a desire to learn about animals because you're going to be working with them, I understand why after the age of 10, we don't learn as much about animals. It's not necessarily a need. When it comes to prioritizing subjects in school, animals is probably towards the bottom. Now, if you choose to seek out that information, it's available to you. This is the arrogance of humans. So we're in Turks We're all hanging out

And there's a crab at the bottom Because like the water is shallow there Everyone's there Kalika Alicia Kandita Charlemagne Jets Everybody's there And there's a crab at the bottom Of

The fucking water Right Because the water But the water is shallow enough To jet ski But it's deep enough to jet ski But it's deep enough to jet ski but it's shallow enough for you to stand in, right?

You know, you've been the Turks. So you go out there, and there's this part where you go out there and you jet ski out to the middle of Kalika fell off the dock. It was hilarious. You jet ski out to the middle of the ocean, and you're there. And there's like a bar in the middle of the ocean.

Sand bars, what it's called? Yeah, well, whatever. And you have drinks and they got music playing and all of that stuff. and like, you know, you're, everybody's there and you're vibing and you're meeting white people and they're super cool until they start talking about why they couldn't do this in America. And you go, oh, why couldn't we do this in America?

There'll be so many laws and red tape that we would have to get through if we were going to have something like this in America. You couldn't really do it. It's too much. I'm a job voting for Trump. Hey! Hey, not on my trip. Shut up.

Shut up. I like you. We were vibed. But why? we're out there hanging out, people start jumping around because there's a crab in the sand at the bottom of the shallow

ocean. Water's coming up to maybe like your chest. And there's a crab and the crab is being mischievous. And I'm saying I didn't know that crabs could breathe underwater. I didn't. I thought that a crab could go in the water, but then a crab

had to come back out of the water again. I didn't Like a crab. Well, or like a whale or other animals that are like, because every crab I've ever seen has been on land. And I know that there are animals who are amphibious and can live in both the water and the land. But every crab I've ever seen is on land.

I've seen crabs or the nature channel in the water. But I thought they eventually came out of the water. So like when people get in their boats and they go get crabs. Mm-hmm. What was that boat on? The boat was on the water. So you thought that they catch the crabs because they all just eventually are just

floating wading in the water at the top because they go get the crabs. I didn't know that a crab could breathe underwater. Okay? Can be honest with you. Can't be honest with you. What do they hunt for whales at? In the water?

Can a whale breathe underwater? Yes. No. Well, he can't. Well, it can't for a second and then it pops out. Uh, no. A whale cannot breathe underwater at all. A well has to come up.

A well has a blowhole. Yes, I knew that. I knew that. Right. A well has a blowhole, comes up, blows water out of a blowhole, takes in oxygen and then goes back down under the water. I'm pretty sure the well that, Jonah was living inside of was breathing

of water. You know what I'm saying? My point is this. My point is this. I am animal. And by the way, what I just said about whales, I'm not entirely sure that that's accurate.

I'm pretty sure. I am animal ignorant. And I think personally that a lot of people who are listening to this podcast, remember the sea lion debate that we had on here? Yes.

Yes. Okay, I think a lot of people on this podcast are animal ignorant. And I think I'm being serious. here. I think being animal ignorant is very serious because it shows that we think we're so important that we don't have to

learn about the creatures that we share the earth with. Therefore, we don't even think about these creatures. Okay. All right. And then we fuck up these creatures' habitats. There's a goddamn bar in the middle of the ocean where this crab, we're blaming a crab for nipping at our feet. When we're in the crab's house. You're in the

Crabs territory. You're right. You're right. You're right. But maybe the people that built the sandbar didn't even know that crabs can breathe underwater. So maybe they didn't even know that they were messing over the crap. They knew. They just didn't care. Let me tell you something. There's a lot of stuff on this podcast. To say this podcast is called Higher Learning. There's stuff that, look, we don't know. We don't know. We don't know everything. Remember, we got in trouble with Scandinavia. Oh, I know I saw, but here's the thing. Nobody, here's the thing. The worst part of that whole conversation is I looked it up and read it off and nobody corrected me that the Netherlands were not included.

I was like, oh yeah, these countries. And I said it. And in my mind, because we were talking about it, I heard Netherlands. But the truth is, it's not included. Apologies. Apologies to everyone. I didn't catch it. Van didn't catch it.

Trudy and Donnie didn't catch it. I'm geocry. I'm going to be. I'm geograph- well, it's true because I actually looked it up and I was dead wrong, but I'm geographically challenged. I'll admit that.

Why does it got to be about me, Trudy and Donnie? So I read, so how many times do we say something in Donnie chats? Okay, can I be honest with you? Why are you blaming Donnie about it though? I'm not.

I said none of us. No, I said I was wrong. I read it out loud. Yes, I did. And I said I was, in my mind, I thought I read Netherlands because we were talking about it.

And I said, I said it out loud and nobody else caught it either. I was like, these are, I go, these are the six Scandinavian countries. And nobody caught that. This is my thing, though. I somehow figured out that I was wrong. I was like that.

I'm wrong about that. And then you came back and made me feel like that I was right. And I went with it. I was like, oh, okay, so I must be right. I was trying to help you out. I was trying to help you out. But I was wrong. We're wrong.

We're wrong about Scandinavian. Navy countries. And you know what? I bet we're going to be fucking wrong about crabs in some sort of way. Or something else. Say it again. Something else. Crabbs. Did you know about one and three people with plaques psoriasis may also develop psoriotic arthritis, which causes joint pain, stiffness, and swelling? Does this sound like you? Listen to what it sounds like to be a million miles away. Trimfaya, guselcomab.

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Restrictions apply. See terms at fanduil.com slash predict slash bonus dash offer dash terms. So that's the end of the story? Y'all got, you know, were you able to enjoy the rest of your time? Very fun. So let me tell you what happened. Okay. I did something called three different waters.

Okay. Well, I sampled all the waters that. Turson Kekos had to offer, which means in one three-hour period, I got in the ocean, and then I got in all the pools that the hotel has to offer, which was a lot of pools. I demanded to be served in the pool when I'm at the water. There was one pool. Let me tell you something, Rachel. I discovered something that I had never been to before, which was a pool with a swim-up bar. Really?

Oh my God You've never been to that It's amazing You've never had that before Oh I'm so happy for you Pool with a swimmer bar I swim up to the bar It's the life

As the drinks Started to flow The swimming that I did Got more elegant At first I did a regular American Over there Then I get a pinocalada And then I come back

And then when I swim again Now I'm back stroking over there And then I get a run punch and then before you know it, I'm snaking over there to the music. You know what I mean? I get a Bahama breeze. And then I'm not even swimming. I'm just shaking over there.

Like getting up, serve me alcohol. It's good. And then I went to the other bar that was like the more classy bar. But by that time, the more classy pool, but at the time I was drunk, so I was shadowboxing in the pool. and people were asking me if I was like a professional boxer I was like yeah, I'm between fights. Time out.

You were shadow boxing? How deep was the pool? It wasn't that deep. I can't imagine. Shadowbox. Honestly, though, a swim up bar is like the epitome of laziness and I love it.

I love it. It's how you should be on vacation. You're in the water, you're free. But then at the same time, you don't have to go anywhere. There's food. There's drinks. It's the best.

There's music. There's people. It's the best. Me, coconut shrimp. And then there are people on the side that recognize me. It was like, Van, you living your best life. I was like, hell yeah, my niggas. You know what I'm saying?

And by the way, just let everybody know. If you catch me at the bar, any bar. If you catch me at any bar, just wait a minute. Wait until I've had a couple of drinks. If I've had a couple of drinks, I'm going to leave with a $1,500 bar tat. It's the way it works. I'm going to start buying drinks for everyone.

This is the way I do it. I just love to say, hey, I don't like to drink alone. You get drunk too. You get drunk to black people in Turks. Wow. I saw this one mother. Oh, before I get off Turks, I saw this one mother, and I've never felt a woman's pain more than I felt her pain.

Like, I became Gloria Steinem. It's like, so it's a lady, and she's at the bar. She's ordering drinks. Her husband is over at the foot of the pool. and he's blowing up like a, like a, like a floating. Yeah, like a fucking, it looks like an alligator or something like that. So he's blowing it up. He's miserable.

And they got one daughter that when I'm drunk, she keeps telling me that she's a mermaid. And I'm like, interesting. Very nice. It's amazing. I'm doing my thing, though. If you could just let me relax, child, I love kids, but I'm doing my thing. If you could just let me relax, that would be great. But she was cute.

I'm a mermaid. I'm a mermaid. Then she splashed water on me and I was like, all right, that's one to the other hand. But they had her. They had another child that was naked and ran around the side of the pool. And then they had another child that was trying to give a drink. And then the mother also had a baby that was strapped onto her. Four kids.

Four kids. And the child is crying about the fact that she hasn't got her drink yet. And the mother looks at her and goes, just to let you know, I haven't gotten anything. I haven't had any fun. I've been so busy trying to handle everything for you guys that I haven't gotten the opportunity to even get one drink. And you're asking for another one. It's so true. And I'm like, I wanted to like, I wanted to give her.

a round of applause. I actually wanted to be like, hey, man, you know what, go chill out. I'll take care of that. I got the kids. And she was being so honest and she's talking to a child and she's all vacation. A term we used loosely because she really wasn't. She just, she had a change of scenery is what she had. Man, that makes me think about like vacations with my folks and it's like, was I like that, did they get a chance to enjoy the vacation? Or was I just brady running around? Probably no matter.

It's like, it's different, right? It's not the same thing with you guys because you guys were vacationed at different churches and there would be people there to help you. Oh, yeah, you're right. That's what mission trips. You're right. I forgot. I forgot.

That's the only way we vacay in our long skirts and flat shoes. Like, come on. Long skirts, flat shoes in our RV. You guys. Okay, I literally thought you were about to say in an arc. I literally thought that's what you were going to say. Probably so. Dad, do we have to go to Jericho again for vacation?

I don't want to go to Jericho again this year. It's the whole of land. The judge. How's the judge doing? How was his Thanksgiving? The judge is fine. Oh, so he's probably going to get mad at me for Sam. What happened?

He, um, my mom was, was in Houston taking care of her mom. And so that's where they were going to spend Thanksgiving. So he decided to go down there, but he didn't want to drive and he didn't want to fly. So he decided to take the bus. And he wanted to take. Is the judge fucking insane? He's just, he's so low maintenance. My dad is so, you know, it's like my dad grew up on a farm, 11 kids.

Like he is not about, doesn't have any errors about. him is not like Cedity in any kind of way. Like he was just like, I'm going to take the bus. So he took this bus called Devon Lane. It's like supposed to be a fast bus straight from Dallas to Houston. Super quick. Bus broke down in Corsicana. My dad was stuck for three hours on the bus.

My uncles were going to have to come out and get him. He toughed it out. Bus got fixed. Made it to Houston. Yeah. So Thanksgiving started out rough for the judge, but it ended up well. it up well. Yeah.

I'm glad for him. I'm glad for him. I wonder if he was able to like get like a biblical meaning out of the, the bus. I'm sure he gathered everyone around for prayer. Maybe held church during those three hours. Maybe he did. Maybe he did the judge. Got a packed show today, Rach.

Got a packed show today. All right. And we do it. You ready to get to it? You ready to get to it? Let's start off with our old pal, Stacey Abrams, announcing that she is going to run for governor of Georgia again. She is potentially setting up a rematch with Brian Kemp in 2022. Abrams, of course, was the former Georgia House Minority Leader,

who was credited with helping the Democrats win two U.S. Senate contests. She lost her previous bid for judge in the election that a lot of people, down there in Georgia thought was wrought with irregularities and election fraud and thought that Brian Kemp and Rathsberger who is now the

Secretary of State there well Ratsberger wasn't there Brian Kemp was the Secretary of State which is why who's in charge of voting which is why it was or overseas it I should say which is why there was some speculation she lost by

1.4 percentage points. My question to you is with her increased national platform and with the fact that many Republicans are on the outs with Brian Kemp because of his estranged relationship with President Trump, do you think Stacey Abrams has a legitimate shot to win the Georgia governor's race? I mean, I hope so. I definitely think she has a shot. I was a little surprised that she was running. I don't know why I thought because she has already run and we saw what happened and then she took that and turned it into something beautiful

and got people out there to vote in record numbers not just in the state of Georgia nationwide. I thought that she would run for a larger platform in the future. I'm happy she's running for governor again. I just was shocked that she is.

I definitely think she has a shot though. Concerns I have obviously are that they've, you know, voter restriction. You know, after she had that, that historic run as far as getting people out to vote, we saw the legislature there past laws that restrict voting. So I think she's definitely going to have a challenge. Not the same challenges necessarily that she had with Brian Kemp, since he was the Secretary of State. But there are going to be challenges. And I think just because you have Republicans that are on the outs with Brian Kemp because of how he, his relationship with Trump,

that doesn't automatically guarantee a vote for Stacey Abrams. Maybe it does mean that they'll abstain from voting, so that's less votes for Brian Kemp. And then that would be favorable to Stacey Abrams. But we'll have to see. I'm rooting for her. I was excited to see the news. I just thought she was going to run for something different.

So Stacey Abrams will win. She's going to win. Okay. She's going to win this race. So there was really nothing else she could run for. The two sentences are taken. She's not going to go to Congress, right? That's a step back in terms of national recognition.

And I think that a lot of people have learned from the Beto Ourok situation that you don't want to run for president too early in your political career. So you don't want to, so she wasn't going to do any of that stuff. She's going to win this race. And let me tell you why she's going to win. Number one, I'm fully expecting Brian Kemp to in some way try to get back into good graces of former President Trump. Okay, so that President Trump will campaign for him. I can't see President Trump.

I can't see President Trump burying a hatchet with Brian Kemp. See, I don't think that's the case. I can't see him Bray and Hatchett. Now, if he's announced the run, maybe he feels like he needs Georgia, maybe he'll do it then, but I can't see him going back

on all the things that he said about Brian Kemp. It just would make for a really, really awkward. He's done it before, though. Not to this degree, I feel like. Not, maybe he asked, but I don't really, I feel like this would be different,

but maybe, let's say that he does. Okay. Stacey Abrams is the one person who can organize around some of the voting roadblocks that they've put in Georgia. If there was going to be somebody at the top of a ticket that could run and give people exactly the prescription that they need to figure out ways to not be disenfranchised in Georgia, it's Stacey Abrams. I just think with the nationwide platform that she has now, it made a lot of sense for her to go back at this office. I feel like this is a step towards, you know, running for an eventual presidency or having a higher national office,

maybe a Senate seat, you know, but those, who knows, who knows, but she's got two guys in the Senate that she likes now. But I personally think that it's set up, and I'm like, I can't remember a candidate being in a better position. to run for a governor's seat that they previously lost than Stacey Abrams, who I think has proven to people all over the country that she can organize, that she can solve problems, and has proven in the state of Georgia that she can do all of those things. I agree with you in the sense that Stacey, I do believe she can win.

I definitely think she has a shot. I do, I did think that she wasn't going to run this quickly for office. I thought that she was going to wait and run for Congress in some capacity, whether it was Senate in the future or it was for the House. But I do disagree with you, though, about Trump because to me, it's anything to have power. And we've seen him dog people before. Ted Cruz is the main one who comes to mine where he dogged his family. He dogged him as a person, had the most personal attacks against them.

yet that seems to be far in the distance because you would never, you would never know. Ted Cruz embraces him and Trump embraces him the same way. So I think it's all about winning for Trump. And I think that if Brian Kemp did come to him and did apologize and did say that he made a mistake, that's all Trump needs to endorse Brian Kemp and fight against Stacey Abrams. Because one thing that he does dislike is Stacey. So I do think Stacey can win this. but I would not be surprised if Trump does return to Georgia.

He's already there campaigning with Hershaw Walker. So it's nothing for him to go ahead and say, you know what, I'm going to support Brian Kemp too so we can just run this entire state. I can't see him letting pride get in the way of having a Democrat as the governor of Georgia when it's such a battleground state. See, it's true.

I will say this. They've already given Stacey Abrams's campaign a lot of ammunition. Trump tweeted once or said once that the people of Georgia might have actually been better off with Stacey Abrams and not with Brian Kim. That's a class of Trump. It's funny. Him and Brian Kemp have a long way to go. You're right. He's gone places like that with people before.

He said Brian Kemp is not a real Republican. He said Brian Kemp is a coward. he said that Brian Kemp didn't have the courage to do whatever he will. And he's gotten a lot of people on the bad side of the governor. But yeah, we'll see. We'll see if they can, if they can bury that hatchet. That's a big hatchet to bury. But, you know, last time I feel like people nationwide campaigning for Stacey Abrams

hurt her. You know, hey, it was all of these people from out of towns, Oprah and stuff like that. Vote for Stacey Abrams and stuff. I don't think it'll be as big of a detriment now because I think that, the 2020 election changes, but we'll have to see how it goes. Wait, it's funny that you say that, because I say that same thing about Beto. He had a lot of celebrities nationwide that were rooting for him when he was running.

And I think that that hurt him because it gave this false impression that state was actually behind him, but really it was people who can't even vote in the state. Do you think that that's like an issue when you get that nationwide attention and it maybe gives you this false sense of reality that, you're better off than you really are? Is that what you do? It certainly is an issue, but I think in the case of Stacey Abrams now, it might be less

of an issue because of the oneness of the 2020 election. So Stacey Abrams wasn't just given credit for winning Georgia. She was given credit for winning the election. So she became a national figure

in that everybody now has a vested interest in Stacey Abrams. before, I think the underlying sentiment is, why do you give a fuck about what's going on in Georgia? You're just getting involved for cosmetics. Yeah. Well, now, I think that that's actually fundamentally not true. I think people want to see a person like Stacey Abrams to get as much power as she possibly can because we've seen her ability to organize and get things done.

So I think it'll be a little bit different in this case now because now when you say, hey, why do you want Stacey Abrams to be governor? It's not because we think Georgia needs this. We don't even live in Georgia. We don't know what Georgia needs. It's because we've seen what Stacey Abrams has been able to do. So it's a better selling point now than it was even then. Because before, you know, it's tough.

It was tough. It'll be a lot of justice for her to get that seat. I mean, that's going to be a huge thing when that happens, not if when it happens. Will justice find Chris Cuomo? Oh. Okay, I thought we still talking about Stacy. Chris Cuomo has been suspended indefinitely following new disclosures that he helped his brother, Andrew Cuomo, Andrew Cuomo, in the midst of a scandal over sexual harassment, sexual, sexual harassment allegations. Now, he'd already known that he had done some stuff, but now the stuff that he's alleged to have done,

goes a little bit further. He's alleged to have actually used his skills to farm out leads and different social media things and head people off and try to influence them on behalf of his brother, not just giving advice with seeing it already knew, but now he was acting as a direct operative.

The question is, knowing this, and knowing the seriousness of the allegations that were and are against Andrew Cuomo, can you ever try? Chris Cuomo again. Oh, Chris Cuomo's out. This is it for him.

He's not getting his show back. And I, when I saw that he was suspended indefinitely, at first I was like, wait, what? And then I read how involved he was. And that's just what we know. You know if that's what we know, it's five times worse than that. And I get being in the predicament of this is family and family first. And I wholeheartedly believe that. but with this new information, it is as if Chris Cuomo took it a step above and beyond and beyond and beyond.

He was finding out these leads using the sources that he knows and he almost seemed to be, you know, trying to fix the situation before it came to light and the public knew about it. That's taking it way too far. Can I trust Chris Cuomo? Sure, until it involves family. And that's the best way for me to put it. And like, like I say, I can't, I can't have him rest on the shoulders or on the, or die on the hill of I was, it was my brother. That is true to a point. You took it a step beyond that.

And even so concealing that from CNN, I mean, you were, you were forthcoming about that you were involved and you were supporting him. But you didn't give all of this. That came out during the discovery when they got all this information and they learned more. So you were truthful to a point. And then you had to be truthful about the information that they found out. So yeah, I trust them until it has to do with family. Okay. He actively engaged in tracking down leads about stories that might affect his brother and spoke regularly with his brother's senior staff.

All right. The answer you just gave is the reason why. Chris Cuomo is not going to lose his job. I give you two reasons. Number one. Let's bet on this. Let's bet on it then. I give you,

I give you two reasons. Number one, Chris Cuomo's show is incredibly popular. I know that. He averages 959,000 viewers, as well as an average of 12,000 viewers between the ages. of 25 and 54,

which of course we know here in old television land this is the most coveted demo because they buy shit. Mm-hmm. All right. So that, plus the fact

that this lapse in integrity, not once but twice, can be chalked up to what you just said, which was it had to do with his brother, you said, I can trust Chris Cornwall. just as long as it doesn't have to do with family. I think for a lot of people,

I don't think that there would be much outrage if Chris Cuomo got his job back, which is the reason why he probably will get his job back. Even people that understand what it was that he was working with his brother to try to figure out know that it's his brother. You just said, if it's not about his brother, then I could see him getting his job back.

People are going to say, hey, that's his brother. We can understand that. he's going to give an apology. They're going to bitch him for a while. He's coming back to the air. He's too popular. Okay, here we go. Here we go.

All that you're saying is true about the popularity. We know that. People watch him more than they watch anyone else on CNN. He makes money for the company. However, you said you don't think the public would be that outrage because he was doing it all in the name of family. What was he protecting Andrew from, though? What was he seeking out and maybe trying to conceal?

or hide from the public knowledge. Sexual harassment, sexual assault. That is unforgivable. So you have to realize that the public may not forgive Chris Cuomo because you put your brother above women who were placed, who were, you know, assaulted, harassed, allegedly, I guess I have to say that word, by your brother. You put your brother over the claims of these women.

These women are victims and you put your family over that. That is something that the network may not be able to get past. That is something that the public may not be forgiving about. I put you like this. As we sit here and we talk, that is something that the network might not be able to get past. That is something that the public might not be able to get past. But I'm telling you that they're going to. So he'll be back.

I think Chris Cuomo will be back. How long? I think that it might be a while. I think that he'll be back. I think that there's going to be an apology and whatever. Because as what you just said, I think, and if we've seen stories, we've seen the woman that led the Times Up movement,

have a son that was involved in something like this, and we saw her react to that very poorly, because as much as we're talking about this, when we start, people are human, and once we start talking about people's families and the people that taught you how to piss in the toilet bowl and taught you about, like, you know, like your brother or taught you about Spider-Man and football and all of that stuff.

You know what I mean? Like once you start dealing with that, it might make people act out of character. Like murder is bad, but you might help your kid hide a body. So I'm not saying that what he did was, you know, damn well right now, if you came home, like, you heard somebody, the judge is like, I know how to figure this out. But you got to make sure you repent first. Okay, now let's go very. You know, but so I'm not saying that what Chris Cuomo did was right, and I would like to believe that if I were in a similar situation, that I wouldn't do that.

But I think that people are going to see past it. and I think that CNN is going to see past it because with CNN, it has more to do with with money. And if they wanted to fire him, they could have already done that. Yeah, I think they don't want to be quick to pull the triggers in regards to just completely firing him. I think they're trying to figure it out.

But you're right. I mean, I can see it both ways. If you let him go, it sets a precedent. If you keep them, it sets a precedent as well. So it will be interesting. I don't envy CNN execs that have to try to figure this out or Warner Media, whoever it is. But it'll be interesting.

You say for a long time, a month, two months, three months. Maybe longer than that. See, I think if you go past three months, it's too long. Right? You got to let them go. There have been other people who've come back at CNN. Tubin. Ooh, tubing.

Oh, flesh tubing. Dr. Oz is running for Senate. That could be the story. Dr. Oz is running for Senate in Pennsylvania. He's a Republican. Are you surprised at that? Are you surprised at Dr. Oz's Republican? We were on vacation.

I was like, it's interesting, you know, and I was like, is he a Republican or Democrat? People were like, oh, he's got to be a Democrat. I was like, why? Because he's friends with Oprah? Is that why? Why would you say Dr. Oz would have to be a Democrat? And what did they say?

They were like, I just seems like he's a Democrat. He cares about people or whatever. But he's not. He's running as a Republican. He is going to succeed retired Republican Senator. Pat,

to me, to me. And the race includes Philadelphia area businessman Jeff Bartos and Carla Sands, who served as the U.S. ambassador to Denmark. Under whose administration,

administration. Trump, but forget about Trump. I want to talk about Denmark. Oh, you want to go back to Scandinavia? Scandinavia. I got to go to Denmark, baby. I want to see somebody wrote. You will be underwhelmed by Ariel.

You will, you'll walk past it and be like, wait, wait, wait, what? That can't be right. I've been reading about that statue since I was a kid. I read about it in a world book in Psychopedia. There's a statue of The Little Mermaid. I can't be right. You guys don't even know. Have you seen the statue?

Yes, I'm telling you. Okay, I might not know my Scandinavian countries, but I did go to Denmark. I was in Copenhagen. You'll be more surprised at all the bicycles. I think that. People ride bikes. But it's a lot. Can I be honest with you?

Yeah. I can't fucking stand these celebrities running for Senate. Well, this is why I thought this story was interesting because we literally talked about this on the last podcast about celebrities running. Yeah. Celebrities running for, I just don't, I don't get it.

I don't want Dr. Oz to run. I don't think he'll go far. That's a, I mean, he's going up against some heavy hitters here. And I don't even understand his basis, honestly, of running. He's talking about medicine and

politics and I just, I don't think he's going to end up for him. Dr. Oz. Dr. Oz once did a second. on a show called Fatter Day. And the segment was about how to have a cheat meal

how you do it on Saturday, whatever, it's called Fatter Day. I'll show you how to do it. And he was like, and I thought Dr. Oz was going to give some real insight. And Dr. Oz was like, he was like, are you craving a,

are you craving chocolate, chocolate cake? This is what you do. You air pop some popcorn. and then you take some chocolate powder. No. And you sprinkle over the top of it with a little butter. And it's going to give you that carbby sweet feeling.

I'm like, if you don't get your dumb ass out of my face. If you don't get you a stupid ass, look it up, Fatter Day. Even the women that he brought up, that he brought up women on the stage to like trust this stuff, to like try this stuff. And they were like, well, if you say Dr. Oz, whatever, they know it's not really. It's stupid. If I want, I want a German chocolate cake with six sticks of butter in it. That's what I want.

You don't tell me, Dr. Oz. Can I say something that's probably dumb? Sorry. Maybe we should make that a section, right? This is higher learning, but can I have a dumb moment? I don't really know that much about Dr. Oz. From what I know about Dr. Oz is he's got his own show and he's a friend of Oprah. And now he's running for office.

I don't know what his show entails. I know he has a whole new true crime element, which confuses me. Does he talk about health on his show? Is it true crime now? Is it a talk show? Tell me why Dr. Oz is famous. What is his specialty? And why does he have a show on a primetime network?

Can you tell me that? He's a very smart man and he's very warm. Dr. Oz is actually a good dude. He is. He's a very smart man. But that's not answering my questions. Like what is the Dr. Oz specialty?

What is he? He's like America's doctor. He teaches you about being healthy. He teaches a cardiac. He's a cardiac surgeon. He's like, there we go. Teach you about being healthy.

Teach you about, here's his Saturday cheat meal plan. I just found. No, God. I just found it. It is. Faraday cheat meal plan. Okay.

Why is it not coming up? Oh, it's a video. I don't, I'm not going to watch the video, but the Saturday cheat meal plan on Dr. Oz. It is learn how to choose the best Saturday for you to eliminate binge temptations, plus get the meal plan that'll make it popular.

Please go look this up. I've never been more. Shout out to Dr. Oz, good guy, but I've never, ever, ever, ever been more disappointed.

You say Dr. Oz is a good guy. Do you think he'd be great as a senator for Pennsylvania. I don't know and I don't want to know. You know what I mean? I don't want to know. I don't want to know because I want somebody

with a proven record of public service in that situation. That's what I want. Dr. Oz, come on. This is, this is Dr. Oz's breakfast cheat. Two strips of turkey bacon, two eggs and a whole wheat wrap.

This is his AM snack for cheat salt Okay One ounce of brie cheese or goat trees Seven gram crackers Grape and a tall glass of water Okay This is his cheat carb for lunch One slice of whole wheat pizza

Topped with grilled chicken and veggies Okay This PM snack A half a cup of low fat frozen yogurt And 10 almonds And this is a little fat frozen yogurt. And this is dinner. Cheat protein.

Four ounces of lean steak. Wow. Root veggies. Are you still hungry? I am. Hell yeah, nigga. Yeah. Shit.

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All right, Kyle Rittenhouse. I think it was on this very podcast that I told people that Kyle Rittenhouse would have a problem being just a regular student at a college or a regular kid and boom he is no longer enrolled

at Arizona State University he's not a student of Arizona State University because protests from liberal students groups urged the institution to throw him out of online classes they didn't even want this motherfucker

online they didn't even want him online okay he was going to be online for a nursing class. And he would like to physically attend classes, but they processed it.

He is out. Processed. You saw this. Protest. Oh, protested. I heard processed. And I was like, they processed it. Either way, look, we're doing it a little bit later than we normally did.

So look, you saw this and what did you think? Well, sadly, I thought, damn, Dan was right. And I even texted that. in the group chap. Because my belief was that Kyle Rittenhouse didn't want to be normal and with everyone else. He's regarded as a hero in some circles, and I thought he wanted to live and stay in those spaces.

You know, so Liberty University it is for Kyle Rittenhouse. I, my thought was, like I said, you were right. I think this is interesting, though, because I think the outrage came, not because he was just on online classes, because he was constantly in the media talking about Arizona State University. So it was the affiliation of Kyle Rittenhouse. Like we're just coming off this verdict.

You're just coming off this Tucker Carlson interview. And the next thing you're talking about is your higher education and it's affiliated with Arizona State University. It's going everywhere. People don't want that. The kids don't want that. sure the higher ups don't want that as well. So it makes, I'm not surprised that they have a petition

and they basically kicked him out. Maybe for, if he lays low for a little bit and quietly enrolls and doesn't publicize it, he wouldn't have the same result at another public university. But right now, he's got to chill out. He's got to stop talking to the media. He's got to stop telling them his next steps. He just needs to try to retreat, live life, and pursue whatever it is that he wants to do. And I'll tell everybody about it. Nope. Honestly, he could have enrolled

at Arizona State and nobody would have known. I'll be honest with you. If I was a student, I wouldn't feel safe with Kyle Rittenhouse being on the campus. That part too. I'll be real with you. I wouldn't be safe.

In college, there are fights. Kids get drunk in bars and they fight. I wouldn't be safe in a situation with heightened sensitivities if Kyle Rittenhouse is around. Yep. I don't know what the carrying laws are there in Arizona,

but I wouldn't be like Kyle Rittenhouse is liable to do some crazy off the wall over the escalating type of shit. You're right. And by the way, just being in the situation with Kyle Rittenhouse with public sentiment towards him already makes, as soon as Kyle Rittenhouse comes into the, uh, uh, the cafeteria, it's a heightened situation. Wherever he walks into, it's a heightened situation. People don't fucking like him. They hate him.

He killed two people. They're not fucking over it. They're not ever going to be over it. Those people are never coming back. And the reality is, I, as a university, would feel unsafe admitting Kyle Rittenhouse. Fair or unfair? I would feel unsafe. And if I was a kid, fuck no.

I wouldn't want to be in class with Kyle Rittenhouse. I don't want to borrow a pencil from you, nigga. I'm serious. I wouldn't feel, I definitely, and there's going to be some school somewhere that's going to make a big show about welcoming him on their campus. Who knows what school that's going to be. But when he gets on campus, because he's going to go college somewhere, when he gets on campus, it's going to be a huge deal even then.

Yeah. Yeah. You're right. And you called it. I couldn't see it. Now I do. Now I do. But I think that he'll change his ways.

I don't think that he will be as public about his next move because now maybe he was thinking like me. Like, oh, I'll be fine. Well, clearly you're not. And people don't like, just because a jury of 12 people found you not guilty, that's not how the rest of the world thinks. And this right here showed you that. So, you know, he's got an uphill battle for sure.

Kyle Rittenhouse's best bet is to start a podcast with Takashi 6-9 Wow That's his best bet His best bet is just fucking go full troll Because he's not going to be able to slip back into the He's not people are not going to forget this Slittering I was saying I was saying you know like

Zimmerman is at a different point in his life They don't want to go to Cancun with you Kyle They don't want to go to Panama Cesar breach with you. People are going to see you and they're going to be pissed off that you're there. All right.

I want to see you at the football games. Sun Devils, they don't like you. Sandra Bullitt has black children. She's 57. She went on Red Table Talk. But you know that some bullshit's coming out when you go on Red Table Talk.

I've never met. Has there ever been a show mess here than Red Table Talk? Seriously. And people keep sitting at that table. So in Red Table, Talk? Just A list Jerry Springer. Let me tell you something.

When I went through my stuff with Chris Harrison, they asked me if I wanted to come to Red Table Talk. No. You should have done it. No. You got a fucking podcast to promote. What is wrong with you, Reg? You think that's what would have made the cut?

It's a tape show. Okay? So it's live. You think that's what would have made the show? No. You go, you do it here, and then you go on Red Table Talk. And you say, I can talk a little bit about it here,

but where I really like to talk about these things is higher learning. I don't want them to clip and paste me for whatever headlines because they sure didn't do Sandra Bullock any favors. So go ahead and tee this up. Well, hold on for a second. You wouldn't go on Red Table Talk, but you went on uncomfortable conversations. That was way before.

And the reason I went on uncomfortable conversations is because I know Emmanuel. I was supporting. That's still classic, Rage. That's classic rage right. That was, but that was June 2020, July 2020. This is March 2021. This is a totally different story. That's so funny.

How did you even bring that? How would, how did your mind go there? Like, the events that transpired, it hadn't even happened yet. I'll tell you why. I'll tell you why my mind with there. Because I always think about you on uncomfortable conversations with a black man. Do you? It's very funny.

if you go back and watch it. Because you're doing your thing and you're Rach, but that's not Rache in her wild habitat. Rage is not uncomfortable with these conversations. Rache is very comfortable. No, I'm not. I know.

And so I feel like... But it's not uncomfortable. It's not supposed to be uncomfortable for me. It's supposed to be uncomfortable for the people watching with the subject. I feel like it was uncomfortable for everybody there except for you. I feel like that Lindsay Vaughn was in the deep water. And they...

And they broke up and they ate together anymore. Not that's funny. I'm just saying they're no longer together. I'm not dissing. I'm not dissing. She'll bounce back. It'll be, she'll go deeper this time.

I mean, she was dating someone else. I don't know if she still is. Lizzie Vaughn going to pop up with like Kodak Black. Watch. She'll go all the way. I can tell she's got the look of it. I love that you won't let me this,

this, this. Me move past this stuff. You know I was originally supposed to be a part of the entire idea. You know that right. that would have been great the whole story was that and Emmanuel will tell people this

because his original idea was me and him to do it together it would have never been what it is because as he will tell you Rachel and I may say some of the same things but we have two totally different approaches it wouldn't have worked

it wouldn't work okay so so so Sandra Bull went on the show She has black kids, right? They're black. She's adopted some children, you know.

And she's Lewis, who she adopted when he was three and a half months old. She's also a mom to daughter Layla, who she welcomed via adoption in 2015. And she says that she wishes their skins matched, which I got to be honest with you is something that a serial killer says. Serial killer, get somebody, goes, I just want our skins to match. That's something that a nigga from the silence of the lamb says. I want to match your skin.

What the fuck. And wear it. That's what silence of the lions is saying. I want to match. I just always wanted, can I match your skin? They got creepy that fucking sounds. She says, I wish our skins match. Sometimes I do.

Because then it would be easier on how people approach. She's a movie out. It's called The Unforgivable. And I have the same feeling as a woman with brown skin being her babies or a white woman with white babies. So I guess my question is this. When you say I wish our skins matched, do you wish you were black? Thank you. Thank you.

That is the only thing I thought when I heard that. And this is why I can't stand, red table talk. How did you not ask that follow-up question? Instead, can you please read Willow's comment after? What did Willow say? What was Willow's response? I don't have it here. Can you give it to me?

She says something about it's a mother-child dynamic. You shouldn't see color. There is no color. Got a problem with that statement as well. What's your problem with that statement? Well, sat maybe that's the way you you wish the world was and i think that that was Sandra bullock's follow-up is like i wish the world could be like that but that's not what it is

and so you can't say things like that as a mother of whatever race raising a child of a completely different race you have to be aware of color you have to be aware of the differences you have to be aware that you walk this world in a completely different way than your children walk this world. But my thought was the same one as yours. When she said it, I was like, in which color would that be? Would you want your children to match your color or do you want to match theirs? Because you adopted these children knowing that they were a completely different color than you. And this isn't a knock to Sandra Bullock. I mean, if you listen to, I don't listen to the whole interview, but I listen to more than what we're just talking about. And she does talk about conversations

that she's had to have had, whether she said did it on this or another outlet. She talked, talked about certain conversations that she's, she's had with her black son. Are you telling me she's had uncomfortable conversations with a black son? I am. Was there an all white background in the back? And there were two chairs.

And there were two chairs. Yes, I am. There were two chairs. There was a backdrop with uncomfortable conversations. It was all white. No, but it, this, this did rub.

of me a little bit the wrong way because I wish, and I don't know if it's as much as Sandra's fault as it is as three black women sitting at the table with her who didn't press her or challenge her on the things that she's saying. Because if you don't know, Sandra Bullock's white and her two children are black. So, and this is like my issue with Red Table Talk.

I feel like they're more into getting the big get in the name than actually maybe having the conversation that us as viewers need to hear. And this did not need to end with, hey, here's some mother child dynamic. There should be, we shouldn't be talking about color. Well, no, we have to when it's a white mother with two black children living in 2021 in America. You have to have those conversations.

So I don't think that there was any ill intent behind what Sandra said. It did rub me the wrong way. But I got to say, the part that rubbed me the wrong way was three black women at the table, not holding her accountable for what she said or some pushback or some. challenge or some more understanding because the problem is that the people that are listening to this need that, right? Which is why some people, shout out to Emmanuel, but some people have problems with uncomfortable conversations because it, when you step into that seat and you become that authority as a black man having these conversations, people take your word as gold. They take you as representative

of what society or black society thinks. That's kind of what happens at Red Table. talk. So if those women at the table don't push or challenge Sandra, then their silence or whatever response they give is treated as acceptance or as gold or is how black women in general think. So I feel like there's a, there's a huge level of responsibility that comes with sitting at that table that sometimes I don't feel like they always step into. Now, can I ask this question? Is it natural after being. a mother, there's a job I don't know anything about, but I've watched it being done. It's a very complicated job. Sure. It's a very emotionally taxing job and it's a very emotionally gratifying

job. Isn't it just a human thing to say that sometimes either for me or for the outside world, I wish there was one less level of complication that we had. I wish that all of our So it wouldn't be a thing. Is it so wrong that she said that? No, which is why I say it rubbed me the wrong way, the way it came out. And I understand the sentiment behind it. But I think it was the place of those other three women at the table to say, you're right.

And as a mother, because there's two mothers at that table, we understand where you're coming from and what you mean behind that. But sadly, because of the situation that's at hand with a white mother and two black children and living in America, And in 2021, we don't have that luxury. And I just feel like it was, that's why I say it was on them, I feel like to ask the correct follow up questions. Because you have people who will take that and be like, yeah.

And it is hard. And I think Sandra, that's why I say go listen to other interviews that Sandra does, because she does talk about how hard it is. She does talk about conversations uncomfortable or not that she has to have with her children as a dog. as a black woman as a black man. So I think you can't just clip that headline, which they did and use it as clickbait, because she really does give more context if you listen to other things she does.

Do you know who this is right here? Yeah. He's a proud Longhorn. It's Trevante Rhodes. That's right. Longhorn. Shout out. Ran track at Texas. Ran track in Texas. This whole thing is about Tramante Rhodes.

I'm sorry. This whole thing. Yeah. It's about Tramante. Rhodes. And why is that? Oh, bird, bird, bird, bird, whatever. They did the bird box. Bird box. Okay. And she was around Tramante Rhodes and he was heroic. He was black and he was amazing. That's the reason why she wishes her skin matched. Well, they couldn't see each other. So there's that. Don't matter. She felt the chocolate. It rubbed off on her. Oh, she felt she knew. She knew it was. chocolate. She could feel it. If you put a

blindfold on the society right now and I walk in the room, they're going to be like, there goes a nigger right there. They're going to know it. I walk in the room and the drums start. Talk about what do they sound like? What does she hear?

What does she hear? Do it. When I do, do do, do, do, do. When they don't know. Don't know. That's how she felt right there, you know. Trevante Rose, she's like, God, damn.

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Abrupt turn, there has been another shooting. We talked about the fact that these shootings are going to happen. They're going to happen because America does not have the courage of the world withal. And the political gumption to tackle the issue of gun violence and of mental health head on. mental health is an impossible issue for Americans to tackle. It's getting better, but it's possible. Gun violence is an impossible issue for Americans to tackle. It is not getting better.

It's actually regressing, if you ask me. And those two things combined make four. A situation to where people are going to carry out incredibly heinous, cowardly, and scary attacks. And it's going to have to be a part of our way of life. discuss this. It's very sad. This one happened up in Michigan where a 15-year-old terrorist named Ethan Crumbly opened fire at a Michigan high school in Oxford and killed four people and wounded seven others. The names of the people who were injured or excuse me who lost their

lives were Tate Meyer, Hannah St. Julianna, Madison Baldwin, and Justin Schilling. Tate Meyer is a football player who according to classmates rushed the shooter to try to save his classmates and he was killed. He died on the way to the hospital. Here's the thing. There's not much to be said about this. We can take a minute here on higher learning to think about the victims of this, to think about the parents of the victims of this, to think about all the kids in the school who are going to have their psyches permanently scarred by witnessing such carnage. at some point though and it's like a broken fucking record we have to think about the next victims we have to think about the next shooter we have to think about the next school because unless we

stop quibbling about the things that are easy to quibble about and begin to really push for the things that are really important and see some action done uh we are going to continue to produce new shooters who are going to continue to produce new victims. You saw this and your thoughts were what? It's another tragedy, a senseless tragedy. And I think we talked about this on the podcast because sadly we've dealt with another school shooting

and I can't remember where it was, but I remember this was shortly after things started opening up. And we dealt with, I don't know if it was a school shooting or just a mass shooting. Either way it was, it was mass. and we, the reality was the world's opened back up again and we're getting back to normal. And that includes mass shootings because that has become a part of our society, whether it's in a movie theater, a mall, a school. Mass shootings are a way of life in American society.

And what really hit home for me was when I was, I was driving and I was listening to the radio, and I heard one of the on-air personalities say that their nephew, instead of just going through earthquake drills and tornado drills and hurricane drills like we used to go through his kids, they go through shooting drills. If there is a shooting or a shooter, an active shooter on campus, they have drills on what to do. Let that sink in for a second. You're talking about acts of nature when you talk about an earthquake and a hurricane and a tornado.

We now have to have drills and procedures and protocols in place for active shooters because it's that commonplace as are natural disasters like hurricanes and tornadoes and earthquakes. That is wild to me. And the reason that came up is because it was the. discussion of that video that's viral that's going around. I don't even know how much that should be played, but it shows basically an act of them following protocol of not opening the door and asking specific questions. And it turns out there was the shooter at the door in that video. And the teacher knew certain questions to ask to verify whether or not they were able to proceed through that door or if they needed to remain hiding and barricaded like they were and

ended up saving that entire classroom because they were able to run out the window and into the arms of the actual share. But that's just wild to me. That's what we live in right now. That's what we have to have drills for because it's so common. So when you said nature, you compared it to nature, I looked up two definitions for nature right now. The first one is the phenomena of the physical world collectively, including plants, animals, the landscape, and other features and products of the earth as opposed to humans or human creations. By that definition of nature,

then these mass shootings aren't a part of it, right? But look at the second definition of nature. The basic or inherent features of something, especially when seen as a characteristic of it, helping them to realize the nature of it. their problems. By that definition, I would say that these mass shootings are a natural phenomenon, that they are arising from what is now the nature of American society. The nature of American society being a rush to use violent conclusions to your problems,

both problems that you're going through individually and problems that you're going through socially. The easy and abundant access of guns. The increasingly isolated feelings that are young people and other people are going through. And along with that, the need to have your name in lights. All of those things are becoming distinctly human. and distinctly American, which are making people do things that are crazy and that are despicable and disgusting

in order to, quote, unquote, get their point across. The question then becomes, is there a way to adjust our nature? Is there a way to fix this problem? People that are smarter than me are probably working on that. I would be very interested to see what they have come up with. But this is a symptom of the nature that we have constructed for ourselves. There's another part of this story, Keith Oberman, former ESPN dude, but an overall media guy.

Okay, CNN tweeted overnight. that Tate Meyer, Barstool Sports tweeted about Tate Meyer, put it out there that he was a kid that saved all of his classmates. And Keith Oberman came back with a tweet that said this. This kid died to stop a school shooter whose mother echoed the Trumpist fascism of before tagging Dave Portnoy, who is the president of Barstool and Barstool Sports. I don't know anything about Tate Myers

about the shooter's mother, but let's say that Keith Overman is right. Barstool tweeted out a tribute to a kid that died to save his classmates. I guess my question to you, is this fair or not? It wasn't the time and place to do it. This wasn't the platform to use your Twitter account to go after Dave Portney and Barstools,

who we know have a lot of issues on the hills of them tweeting out about Tate Meyer, who saved many lives. Whether you think that Dave Portney and Barstools is a piece of shit or not, doesn't take away from the fact of what this young man did,

this selfless act that cost him his life and saved the lives of countless others. This wasn't the time of place for it. And because you chose this moment to make that point, your point is your point has never been made because people can't get past the fact that they did tweet something that was honorable and you took it as a moment to go after them. Yeah.

Yeah. You know what he did? You know what he did? Keith and I have a lot of respect for Keith Oberman. Keith Overman took that moment and he made it about himself. A hundred percent. He made it about his personal feelings to a little. organization. Shout out to PFT and Big Cat, some of my homies that are over there at Barstool,

but I don't fuck with Dave Portnoy. You know what I mean? I don't fuck with Dave Portnoy. Ariel Foster has a as a, has a podcast over at Barstool. I fuck with Aaron Hart. I fuck with Gillian Wallow. Fuck with those guys, but I'll let you make a point that I'm going to ask about that. Okay. But I don't, I don't fuck with Dave Portnoy at all. I think he's an asshole. I do. I definitely think he's an asshole. But my impression of him can't cloud my judgment as a human being in a moment where people are mourning and trying to salute someone who made a sacrifice that they shouldn't have had to make. That was Keith Oberman being arrogant.

That was Keith Oberman looking for the attention that he got. It's very disappointing for Keith Overman. Yeah. I have a lot of respect for it. Very disappointing for Keith. I like Keith too, but this wasn't it. Let's talk about Dave. Just for a second.

Just for a quick second. How do you feel about, you know, you talk about Big Cat and PFT and you talk about Arian Foster. Dave Portnoy, Portnoy. Portnoy, yeah. It's problematic in a lot of ways. one, do you think he's racist? And two, how do you reconcile people who continue to benefit and profit off working under someone and representing a brand that's very problematic? Okay, it's a good question. Number one, obviously, I don't have a very strong left to stand on here. Let's just be honest. I worked at TMZ for nine years. Okay, so I don't have, so let's look at this.

I don't have a very strong way to stand on. But you don't anymore. So, you know. I don't. But it would be just really weird for me to kind of go there. But I will, I'll tell you, I'll tell you, I'll put it to you like this. And I would never work for an organization like TMZ ever again. I think that's already, that's already, uh, been established.

But I would say this. I would say that if as Americans, okay, if, as Americans, okay, if, As Americans, if we put people up to a purity test based upon who they worked for, I feel like a lot of Americans will find themselves out of jobs. I think that if we looked into, like, for example, if we held NFL players to that same standard, they're working for a lot of guys who are Trump supporting racists, who donate to all kinds of weird causes, who say all kinds of weird things, right?

Some of them are heavily invested in private prisons. Some of them do other stuff like that, right? So it's very hard for me to say, hey, because you work for this particular guy, then you are that particular guy. Now, if you're working in the situation to where you have to then parent those beliefs or go along to get along with those beliefs,

then I'm looking at you in a specific way. You know, it would have been hard to have been Gillian Wallow when Dave Portnoy was saying when they was on tape saying the N-word or whatever like that. But the reality is, if they're cool with it, I'm not going to make any judgments about, I wouldn't be cool with it, but I'm not going to make any judgments about them about it.

It's like I'm not going to judge, I am not, especially if you're black, I'm not going to judge black people by what white people do. So if you're in this, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm not, I'm not going to make, I'm not going to make any black people responsible for what any white people do. Now, if you, if you, if, if you work for them. So I would tell people right now, like, what I want you to do, quit your job. Now you're somebody, you don't have any money. Like, what are you supposed to do? So it doesn't matter what the fuck any type of boss. company organization does, you're not against anybody just get in the bag.

No matter what they, because that's, that's literally what you're saying. Like you're, well, it, well, obviously, it's, it's situational. But I would say to a degree, I guess what would constitute you saying I can no longer work here. And, and, and, and that's a fair question. I think the, the thing when you, when you compare it to the. NFL players and like NFL players work for these owners that do this and this. I don't know how much that's publicly known. And I don't know how much you're expected to for NFL players to research which owner supports prison.

So we certainly know it now. I don't know which owners support prisons. And I that's no, no, no. I'm talking about just the fact, well, number one, we know which owners are Trump supporters. Let me go. I don't know the running list. I mean, I'm sure a majority. But all of their all of their donations and stuff are out there.

But right, but that's like research and looking it out. I guess more so with Dave, the things that he's done are very public and out there. And there's just like a there's a lot of people who constantly post about it. I myself have posted about it actually. And who have put it on people on notice of what this brand and they're the person who heads it represent. I think it's more public. So when a Dion Sanders signs on to do something or an Aryan Foster, you're telling me at no point are you kind of like,

hmm, that's a little... Rachel, Rachel, this slope is so slippery. Okay, I'm just asking. I'm just, I'm being honest, man. To be honest with you, this conversation could go in a lot of ways. It's like, this slope is so slippery. When I, when I say, it's just, look, there are, there are people I look at, like, oh, that's kind of surprising,

but I don't get in people business like that. I know who area it is. Yeah, it's not assuming I guess about getting in their business. That's not how I look at it. It's just more of like it raises an eyebrow, I would say. Maybe it's not something that I personally would do. But like, for example, I used to go on one of the podcasts under bar stools, but I wasn't informed on some of the things that as a whole the brand stands for.

I wouldn't go back on it. I wouldn't do it again. Right, right. Let me ask you this. Would you... Okay, so many people think the Bachelor is racist. Well, I think we've established that. You went on there?

I didn't, I had never watched the show. All I knew is that black people didn't go far. And I, and I talk about this, I went on it more. But after you did watch it, you then went on in with the lead of it, right? I did went on the lead with it, right? I did went on the lead as the lead because I thought I could make change. I thought like you're giving the opportunity. And maybe they do.

And maybe they do. And if somebody, my point is, my point is, my point is you would have to like, I'm not, I am not in a position to look at those people. I don't know what it is they're trying to do. Like I'm not in a position to be like, hey, you shouldn't be working here. Especially without a conversation. Like, there are definitely places that, yeah, there are things that somebody could. do like yeah that i don't think you should be working at it definitely stuff that would be like

right away like i don't think that you should be working for president trump i don't think that you should be working for you know out and out unabashed white supremacy i don't think that should be working for that but what i'm saying is this slope is very slippery right yeah do you look at a nike execs and say hey you shouldn't be working for nike because you guys are exploiting children in in in in in asia you know what i mean it's like does the slope gets very i don't And I'm making any excuse those guys. If you want to hate them because they work, if you want to have a problem with them working their prime or Aaron or any of those guys,

that's fine with me. Yeah. But what I'm saying is that it's just, it gets kind of rough for me to kind of look at that. And I'm not asking you to call them out. It's not what I'm saying. I'm just more so like, does it make you go like,

huh? That, like, why is that person working there? Or this, this company has been accused of this, this and this. And then they hire you to come in.

Don't you think that like maybe like they're, they're trying to have some type sort of representation because they've been accused of A, B, C, and D. I don't know. Like, it's just, you're right. It's a slippery slope, but when you brought up those names and the company, it just made me wonder, like, huh, I wonder what, like, your thought is about people who work for companies that are so publicly problematic.

Okay, what are your thoughts on somebody like Mark Lamont Hill or Ebony K. Williams, who both worked for Fox News? Did they, well, Ebony worked for sure. Did Mark? Oh, Mark Lamont Hill. I don't know he worked if he was a contributor. Oh, he was on the O'I mean, come on, man. He was on the O'Reilly show?

So here's my thing. Who was he on the show, right? Did he work for the show and just, these people just had their own show? Did Mark go on Fox News and was he fully Mark Lamont Hill? And was he the opposing, was he talking to an audience as Mark Lamont Hill and the beliefs that he has and what he stands for? That's totally different. He was totally different than what? Because Aryan Foster is Aryan Foster when he's on Barstle.

Well, I don't know what Aryan Foster's podcast is. Is it about sports? It's called microdosing. It's like it's microdoses. Is it about actual microdosing? But he's going to know, it's about different issues that they get into and stuff. But he's going to be Aaron Foster wherever he is.

And that's fine. That's fine. I'm saying is are you under Barstals and you have a sports podcast or you have a reality TV show or whatever it is? But are you on this network full. representing yourself to an audience as someone who maybe contradicts what this organization, what your president stands for. To me, that's what Mark Lamont Hill brought on Fox News. Well, so then the question wouldn't be whether or not you can work for an organization like

that because the answer is obviously yes. The question is, do you capitulate when you're on the, and I don't think that those guys do. look. And they might not. And they might not. It's not up to me to defend them, but I'm certainly not about to. Um,

is, it has, I'm just not. It's just, I wasn't asking you to condemn them. I was asking you what your thoughts were. That was my, that was my whole thing.

I was never asking you to call them out or condemn them for what they do. I was just curious, because we get curious on this podcast when the subject came up. Huh. What do you think about that? Yeah. Um, put like,

we, we're prime and Aryan and. Gillian Wallow, I didn't think anything. Okay, they signed with Barstool. Like, I didn't, I didn't, I didn't, I didn't think anyway. Like, Dave Portnoy is an asshole, but there are many people who work at Barstool, many people who are not assholes that I know, many people. So that is what it is.

What a great conversation. All right. Speaking of kids who are assholes, did you see this video of this kid who punched the shit out of his opponent during the post game? Yeah. The fuck is this dude on. he's like Carlisle Wildcats he punched a member of his Nevada opponents when the two teams exchange handshakes he just went boom

punch a dude in the stomach boy at those body shots hurt then he got him in the face the player is a Thai Dittmer who's the team's guard is falling backwards onto his teammate then started throwing punches at the Carlisle player Carter Prenticell. Oh,

Carter hit first. Excuse me. Carter Prenticil hit first. Ty Dittmer then recovered. Nevada won its season opener. 72 to 47. Okay. So Nevada beat the shit out of it.

And Carlisle got with it. He's been arrested. Excuse me. Carter's been arrested. on felony charge of willful injury. Do you arrest them there? I guess you do. I don't know if you arrest them there.

Well, what do you do? What do you do? Because, like, do punches on basketball during sports and sporting events? No, because I've hit somebody on a basketball court. And I would be, and if I was, if I was arrested, I would be like, what? It's an inherent part of the game. Right? We get physical.

This was after the game, though. Oh, we should say. Oh, they were lining up to shake hands. And he got off on it. I got nothing for you. I can't help you out. That's not an inherent risk of the game. Game's over.

Game's over. You should have done that in game. Actually, you shouldn't have done that at all. Excuse me, sorry. The guys started testing these kids for steroids, man. This was OD. He really went there on these guys. When do you test for steroids, not until college?

I don't think till college. I don't think they're testing for steroids in high school. I looked at this I looked at this and I was like damn man I'm so happy these kids weren't black just show some white people fighting and acting up

Rap report put this on your Instagram bro right put this on oh by the way rap report has been he changed after our conversation there's some white violence on them he's been diversifying it that's what he said he always does diversifying it shout out to rap report

um okay real quick we have to talk about another tragedy Jacqueline Avant the wife of Clarence Avant was killed during her home invasion robbery

very very very sad 81 years old she was some people broke in to their Truesdale home the States Trusdale Estesdale Estes home is very

very very upscale and swanking here I don't know if you guys have known, but there has been a rash of robberies and burglaries and beanie's going on in these Beverly Hills neighborhoods. Okay. L.A. is experiencing a full-blown robin season. Like I've never seen before. It is really, really crazy and wild out here. They shot and killed an 81-year-old woman.

My God. There are no words. I mean, it's crazy because I feel like every day we're talking about, did you see this video of someone getting shot outside of a restaurant? Someone getting their watch jewelry stolen in broad daylight on a patio of a restaurant, walking to their cars, walking into their homes with their babies, driving home from a whatever event and being followed. And then now it's an 81-year-old woman in her home in the middle of the night.

Home invaders kill her. 81. And her husband was there as well. It's very sad. Clarence Avon, if you guys haven't read or haven't seen the Black Godfather, then you should watch it. It talks about how important this man is to so many different things that have gone on in the field of entertainment. Just society in and of itself.

It's very sad this is going on. A lot of angry struggling people out there, but do not turn to the barrel of the gun to alleviate that. You know, we've seen this. Terence Jay was robbed. People are just getting robbed. It's just if you're out here in L.A., just keep your head on a swivel. Keep your hand on a swivel. Very sad.

Sorry for your loss, Mr. Evant. Really, really sorry for your loss. Okay, let's get to mailback. Mailback time. Time to read your letters and then we'll reply. them oh it's mailback time write us with your queries and we'll chime in all right from page m bollinger have you ever re-gifted a gift and what is your policy on that i're re-gifted a gang of shit as a matter of fact if you get a Barack Obama and

Bruce Springsteen coffee table book Renegates like oh Rachel you got one too currently being used to prop up if you get Barack Obama

Bruce Springsteen renegade book if you get that for Christmas that got regifted or the renegade thing you got up there the album

I'm regifting that I'm finding an Obama fan regit mom signed it as an, hey, man. My mom would love this, actually. Like, yeah, if I gave that to somebody, I'll definitely, because, like, people send us a lot of stuff that we didn't much, we didn't ask for, you know?

And it's not like their bad gifts. You just know that maybe somebody else would appreciate it way more than you could. And there's, there's, I am 100% about regifting. I get a lot of stuff, even through extra, we do a bunch of stuff. I'm all about the regifting. There is no policy.

Don't let it go to way. re-gifted to somebody. Re-gifted. Somebody, yeah, especially if it's like taking up space. All right, next question. From Kinsey, Niggins. What does your Spotify rep look like? It does. Okay, let's go back real quick.

Don't say that. To Niggins? That's the same thing with me. You go back to Niggin? No, I'm about to go back to Niggin, but don't say what you're about to say because it's the same shit for me. Let's go to Niggins. Let's deal with Niggins.

Let's stay with Niggin. Okay. We're not going to do this question. Okay, because we have to talk about this name. And I want everybody in the Thought Warrior, I want everybody in the Thought Warrior community to help us debate this name. This person's name is K-N, K-E-N-Z-I-E,

K-N-I-G-N-I-G. What, Donnie, can you put in the chat, please? I need to see it. That could be Kinsey Knighton. Kinsey Knighton. Okay. But, Daddy.

I went with Niggins. Out of that, you went with Niggins. I don't think that's Niggin, bro. Hold on. It's K-E-N-Z. Is this the full last name? K-E-N-Z-I-E.

K-N-I-G-I-N. Whoever you are, I'm inviting you to come on the next. podcast and tell us what your name is. That's got to be Kinsey Knighten. Kinsey Knighten. That's got to be it. I'm going with Kinsey, Niggin.

So full disclosure, this is a handle. This is what the person's Instagram handle is. We're assuming, Trudy, we're assuming that's her full government name. Kinsey Niggin. Nah, man. It's got to be Knighton. It's got to be. I'm going to Jen.

I'm gonna go Kinsey Nijan. I'm gonna look up Kinsey. I'm gonna go to Kinsey. But Donnie, you went with Nygan. Very logical. I went with Nijin. Very logical. Donnie went with Niggin.

Niggin. Donnie said. My bad. Niggin. You know what we gonna do today? We go. We niggins. Okay.

So I'm looking at, I'm looking at Kenzie's profile here. All right. I don't think it's niggin, man. Kenzie seems. Kinsey seems like a very nice lady. Nigin and Nijin. Oh, I don't know. I don't know.

I don't know. She does have a picture holding a cutoff 21 Savage picture. She niggin? She niggin in the picture? She might be niggin. She might be niggin. I don't know. I don't know.

I'm sure it's not nigginsie. Kenzie, you got to come on. You got to come on. Thank you so much. Give us the correct. Wow. You got to come over and give us to permit. Thought Warriors, let us know.

Is it Nigerian? is it Nijin Nijin Is it Nijin? Kynne Gyn Nijin Nijin

Nijin Or Kinsey Nijin It's not Nigan No Or is it You played her with the Donnie

Donnie My bad Let Trudy take over Let Trudy take over on the questions Yeah You played the shatter with that niggin shit

That's nice I'm not to talk with everybody's need You Like Okay, the next question from Von Cannon underscore. Would you rather speak every language in the world or be able to speak or be able to speak to all animals?

Van, this one's for you. Obviously, I would be able to, I would want to talk to all the animals. We've been talking to humans for a long time. We can't get shit solved. I bet if I was able to talk to all the animals, I would get so many answers. I would get so many answers about the earth.

So many answers about all kinds of stuff I would be, I would, I feel like if I could talk to the animals, I would rule the world. I figure out how to rule the world. You would. You would. I mean, me alone, it's just, if I could communicate with copper, I'm done.

So the facts, forget all the other animals. That's just the bonus. If I could talk to my dog, that would be amazing. So yeah, definitely the animals. I'll be honest with you. I'll be honest with you. I'll be honest with you. I don't know if me and Bose's relationship would get better

or worse. Oh, it would get worse. He'd probably be like, I hate him. I hate him. Hey, hey, throw the ball. Throw the ball. Throw the ball. Throw the ball.

That, the ball. Dad, the ball. Dad, the ball. Dad, the ball. That's too much. Okay, last one. Let's go. This is from Going Off Topic podcast.

What is the most overrated holiday movie? A Christmas story. Jesus Christ. Wow. What a wonderful life? Miracle on 34th Street. Jesus Christ. Rachel.

It's so tough, man, that you would say a Christmas story. I got to be honest. I can't think of one overrated Christmas movie. I named three. So I'm just kidding. I don't think all three. But I guess I answered for you. I can't think of one.

overrated Christmas movie. Like I really enjoy most Christmas movies. Christmas is a special time. It is. It's a cuddly time. So do you watch like Hallmark and Lifetime Christmas movies as well? No. Okay. So then there's your answer.

All of those. That's the answer. All of those are overrated. Anything that has Kurt Cameron in it. Wow. It's overrated. All right. Do you have an unexpected ally of the week? No. I do. Good. Who? Brian Kelly The new head coach Of Louisiana

State University I didn't think That you would be my ally Brian But now you are an ally Oh tigers Oh tigers I have an unexpected ally of the week

Who? Mine goes to Lincoln Riley So what? Because y'all got Brian Kelly because you couldn't get Lincoln Riley. Lincoln Riley decided you know what I don't need the SEC everybody's going tip for tat on the SEC fighting over each other getting canceled out in an SEC championship I'm gonna go to the back pack 12 and I'm a run it I'm a rule it and I'm gonna take my recruits that were coming to OU with me unexpected ally of the week because he

played everybody, right? All the people said... You're not even up on this story. We were never in with Lincoln Riley. That was a smoke screen. That never happened. Nobody was. But I think fans thought, oh, maybe we can get a Lincoln Riley.

I'm not talking about what the inside people thought. You know, Lincoln Riley said, by Florida, by, by LSU. I don't want none of y'all. No, no. He knows better. I think it is such a smart move that he went to the PAC 12. He's going to dominate. He's going to rule recruiting when it comes.

comes to it. Scared. All those people coachless thought. Maybe we could get Lincoln Riley. Scared. Unexpected ally of the week. Shout out to you. You know why?

Because he knows. He knows what. He knows he couldn't come down to this. I don't think Brian Kelly is going to really do anything for y'all. I'm going to be honest. The last three coaches have won a national championship. I don't think last three coaches at LSU. Yeah.

Ogeron, Les Miles, and Nick Saber. I really don't. The last three coaches of one national championship. I really don't think Brian Kelly is going to do it for you all that way. But, you know, I've been wrong before. Shout out to the Netherlands. So to the excuse me. Tom Herman.

Charlie Strong? We never should have. Okay, never mind. I was eight. First time we got a black coach. Don't put some respect. Put some respect on Charlie Strong's name. Herman?

Charlie Strong. We can skip over Herman. And Sarks had one year. One year. Sark the shark. All right. All right. I think kept up.

Do not stop learning. I am Van Lathen Jr. I'm Rachel and Lindsay. Oh, oh, next podcast. We've got a special surprise for you guys, something that's never been done before on the Higher Learning podcast. Tune in next week so you can find out. Niggin.

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