Higher Learning with Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay - Stefon Diggs Not Guilty, the Return of Migos, and Do We Need the Met Gala?

Episode Date: May 8, 2026

Van and Rachel react to the verdict in the Stefon Diggs case before discussing the Bezos backlash at the Met Gala. Plus, Quavo and Offset tease new music, and Van has a brand-new VanLaTEN list. (0:00) Intro (4:33) Responding to viral racism (15:10) Stefon Diggs found not guilty (29:47) The Met Gala and Jeff Bezos (42:53) MrBeast birthday love (54:41) New music from Migos? (1:00:12) L.A. mayoral debate (1:16:08) Dana White on masculinity and mental health (1:26:29) Dianna Russini–Mike Vrabel update (1:37:44) VanLaTEN: Top cults Hosts: Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay Producers: Donnie Beacham Jr. and Jade Whaley Social Producer: Bernard Moore Video Supervision: Chris Thomas and Jacob Cornett Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Yo, yo, yo, thought warriors. What is up? Her learning is on, is I Van Lathen, Jr. And it's me, Rachel and Lindsay. Um, so, wait a second now. I had something to say at the top of the show. Oh, oh, I did. I did.

Okay, because I had something to say, too. What do you have to say? No, no, you go first. No, you go first. No, no, seriously, you go first, because I'm going to talk for a long time. I just have to say that this week, Van Van, basically.

a star is born. A star is born. Oh shit. This is so funny. A star. We have to talk about this. Now I never doubted you. As you know, Netflix is a joke's going on. Van did his comedic set. He did in true fashion go over time. But he was telling a story. He had us captivated from the very moment. I said, I told him after the show, I said, I feel like I have to eulogize the podcast at this point because because I feel like a star is born. And you might be on the road here. You could do the whole thing. It was very good.

I thought the punchline was going to come at the end of the story. You were like sprinkling in jokes throughout. He had them by the palm of your hand the whole time, just like this. Just like this. No, no, no, I didn't do that. But that does. In true van fashion as well, that, of course the joke was sexual. Of course we got there.

But you were very good. I have to call it. You were very good. You did a great job, man. You did a great job. But it was a really good thing and I hope you do it again. Guys, I wasn't nervous.

I was dying. I was like legitimately, I went through the reason why if you guys, if my energy is a little low and it's been low on the podcast all week is because I was drained by the emotional fear. I have no idea why I was so paralyzed with fear.

I would never be. I could not do that. and I'm not as scared, like things like that don't scare me. I would be terrified to do that. And then listening to how good the other comedians wore, did that make it worse? No, no, no. Everybody was good. These are non-comedians.

Yeah, Eric Bonae, Macy Gray was fucking amazing. She was good. So, like, I'm, but when I got up there, Eric Bonae made it worse for me. Because when I got up there, he was nervous. Oh, he was? All the women upstairs in the green room were having such a phenomenal time. They were laughing, you know, they were Latinas.

They were speaking Spanish and going crazy. And everybody was going crazy. It was the energy. And Eric Bonae was in a room off to the side, pacing back and forth. And I looked at him and he looked at me. I was like, bro, I am fucking scared. I was like, dog, I can't do this. I was like, Eric, I can't do it, right?

I can't do this. And he was like, it's weird. I can sing at the Hollywood Bowl in front of like 20,000 people, but this is different. I had some drinks and the drinks were killing the fear. And Van is not a drinker. So that's so, there you go. Then Francesca comes over and she goes, okay, no more drinks.

Because if you have another drink, you're going to get drunk. Then I went downstairs or like, it's your time to go up. I went downstairs. And when I went downstairs, I was sitting in the corner like this. And I was like, I was literally looking at Kalika. I was like, I don't think I can do it. I'm not going to be able to go up there and do it. Yeah, she kept coming over to us.

She was like, I got to go back to Van. She was like, I'm just coming to see y'all, but I got to go back to Van. I was like, please go do your thing. But after I did it, it was fun. It was interesting. I think I'm going again on July 17th with Ida. I think I'm going again. You're going where?

On the road? I'm going on the road. I wrote a Charlie Kirk joke. Do you guys want to hear it? Don't you want to save it for the show? Yeah, I want to, I want to. No, no, that's not. We're not doing that.

I want to prep the joke and then we can take the joke out. We're not testing the jokes here. I did the same thing on the Midnight Boys. You guys want to hear the joke? Because we have some people that are observing. Workshop it. Would you guys like to hear the joke? I don't know if we can have a, we'd have a choice.

But go ahead. We support you. I'm not going to do this set. I'm going to do the same set that I did before on the 17th. But, you know, I was going to tell the story of, by the way, we have to take that out of the podcast. We have to bleep it. But like, yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Bleep it. Yeah. Well, we know what we'll come after. We're going to have some kind of Erica Kirk video. I don't know who she'll dress as this time, you know. We got to skip some steps.

I don't know. there. Oh, this is what I wanted to say before we get into the podcast. There's a guy. I've been seeing these videos and they've been going viral of this gentleman that I think is in Tennessee. I don't know if you guys have heard of this guy who is

running around. Oh, saying the N-word. Yeah. Okay. Now, as these videos continue to find me, you know, I have thoughts. You know, I've said here before that part of my duty to my ancestors is to not endure any pain that they had to endure. So a lot of times when someone says the N-word or when they call you that, you think of the fact that there was once a time when people were called that and they couldn't respond and you need to respond and assert your strength.

to make their sacrifice for that strength, to respect that sacrifice. You need to make sure that you stand up for people who couldn't stand up. And, you know, I've thought about that for a long time, and I've operated under that operating paradigm for a long time. That's been my modus operandi for a long time, dealing with disrespect, particularly from white people. But I thought about something in this situation that my ancestors actually wanted for me more.

How's that? Joy. For? They wanted joy for me. What my ancestors and what my great-grandfather, big papa, what Big Mama, what all of the old black people wanted for me more than anything was joy. They wanted me to experience freedom, joy, and existence in this society without being scared, without being anger. be angry because the most radical revolutionary thing that a black person in America can experience is joy, is joy under the construction of this country that is meant to kill them.

Therefore, the most important, the single most important, a job or a way to show strength that any black person, any person that's living in this country in a situation where they're marginalized Liza Press, your single most important job, the thing that you can give to yourself, the gift you can give to yourself, or your ancestors, grandparents, people that came before you, is joy and not letting anyone steal your joy when they are trying to do it purposefully even more. Not letting someone take the joy that your ancestors earned for you, that people that fought for you earned for you, not letting someone put you in a position where you are reactive, put you in a position where you're putting your freedom on the line, where you're putting

your safety on the line by taking the pain that people had to go through and then leveraging that pain against you, that's not just something that you, that shouldn't be a sacrifice. You should want to do that. And any bum-ass, stupid, like insane person that comes along and tries to take hundreds of and hundreds and hundreds of years of degradation, decades and decades of abuse, and tries to use that as a weapon to bring you out of yourself, to put him in a situation where he is emotionally or rhetorically or sometimes legally more powerful than you to use that as a way to kill you. You don't owe him that.

You don't owe him any violence. You don't owe him any thought. You don't owe him any attention. You owe him nothing. a mosquito. You don't even have to kill them if you don't want to. Just shoe them, move on. I know it's hard.

I know it's hard, but we have to stop sacrificing joy to these fucking Neanderthals. If you do some, I'm going to bail you out of jail. I'm sorry. If you do something, if you do something, I'm going to bail you out of jail, that's straight. But the reality of it is don't. Don't do anything.

Don't be more. moved, don't give any content, don't give any consent to theft of joy by a scumbag low life like this. Wow. I almost feel like this is Zen Van. I could not disagree with you more. Oh wow, there you go. And I am not one, I'm not saying that it has to be a violent response, but I think for me, the fact that you want to, which we see time and time again in various ways, in this way, it is a content creator using it through his platform, but we see people use black people,

use their pain for their own advancement or to seek attention. And I've tired of it. And we've sat here on this podcast before and talked about the N-word. and how that is a form of violence. Like you say that to me, that is a verbal assault. And however somebody responds to that can be warranted

because the person is saying it to you to cause pain, to cause a reaction. I'm not saying you're wrong in what you're saying. I'm just saying I couldn't disagree more. I think it would bring me great joy to, you want to cause me pain. How can I return the favor to you? Now, there's various ways to do that.

I could pick up the phone and call the police. I could take a picture of you and find out where you work, call your employer. I could, you know, if you're a student, I could do call it like your university. I could put this out here where it harms you in other ways. There are other ways to do it than physical violence. But to me, if someone is going to run up to me and say the N-word to try to upset me, knowing, we know the weight of that word, I'm not going to sit there and turn the other cheek.

I'm going to respond in some kind of way. And that is going to bring me joy. Now, it doesn't have to be what he wants, which is like, you know, maybe to someone to fight him, maybe then he can turn around and call the cops on that, in that way, but there will be a response for me in some kind of way. So let me make sure that I'm saying this correctly. you know

all of the stuff that you're talking about has been done with this guy there's no need oh I'm sure and so like there's there's nothing that you can do in terms like he's the lowest of the low obviously somebody that goes on a live stream

and says the inward 100,000 times is not worried about anybody finding out where they work and kick did kick him off or band him but there's always going to be some type of place some type of place where you can go sure okay if you find

yourself in a position. I'm reacting to the videos that I'm seeing. I'm reacting to videos where pepper spray is being used where he's legitimately daring people to come over so that he can then pepper spray them and then shoot them. That happens, you guys, that's a win for him. These people want to put you in a position so that they can then do violence to you. This person is insane. Okay, this person is, they've lost their mind. They've lost their mind. They want to find the reason to hurt you. That perfect neighbor documentary where I watched this woman use and manipulate the law. Now in that situation, she went to jail.

She went to jail. Use and manipulate the law to put a black woman in a position so that she could kill her. When I think about situations like Trayvon Martin, when I think about these other situations, I'm not saying that anyone has to cower in front of somebody that's calling them the N-word. Fuck you. Get off my dick. All of that stuff. All of that stuff is good.

But I'm telling you right now, it's not worth pepper spray in your eyes. It is not worth you going back and forth even physically. It's not worth a night in jail. We're going to cover you if something happens. But none of that stuff is worth it. It's just not. It's just not. Like, I'm not asking anyone every, anyone, anyone, anyone, anyone,

to walk around and be called the N-word. What I'm telling you is in this situation where someone is purposefully putting you in a position where your safety and your freedom could be in his hands by weaponizing your pain, you don't owe him that interaction. And that is all I'm saying. This right here is the lowest of the low.

This is the dregs of society. This is the worst of the worst. It don't get no worse, no, like I am, it don't get any worse than this. And I'm saying, us as people who we are, we don't owe him to go here. I agree with you. I agree with, I agree with, I feel bad even talking about. I agree with you about endangering themselves, but I think that there are other ways to respond. And that's more of what I'm saying.

Gotcha. Stefan Diggs, not guilty of assault. What do you think? I didn't really look into this trial. You don't tell us. You stopped telling us. Jade? Jade.

I didn't even see. See, I can't see you because I turned this way. You're also not in the document. What's my job? Jade. No, I bet this is. Oh, she did say, let's take a break. You want to fight.

You stop telling us. You want to fight. You stopped. We can argue. Jay, shut up, man. I'm trying to talk to the people. I was giving a heartfelt shit about this fucking guy. I hate this fucking God.

I mean, yeah. Like, God, do me one. I pray all the time. And I keep my faith, even though my prayers aren't answered. Give me one. Can we get one? Can we get a torn ACL, a broken, can we get, I'm praying on the downfall. I'm praying on the downfall.

Like, can we get one? We haven't got one in a while. Like, can we get one? I need this one. If we need one, I would direct this to somebody else, but I would direct this. I would direct it elsewhere. But, yeah. Let's take a break.

Let's take a break. Let's take a break. Jays right. Jury found Diggs not guilty of assault. Donnie? Right. As you just said, a jury found Diggs not guilty on all charges, which include felony strangulation, misdemeanor of assault.

And this is all following a two-day trial in Boston. The case stemmed from an incident last year that involved his former personal chef who alleged that he slapped and choked her during a dispute over pay. But during the trial, defense witnesses and testimony challenged the accuser's credibility, noting no physical evidence, no visible injuries, and inconsistencies in her account. Did you follow this trial at all? After it was done, I really went and looked back at a bunch of the testimony. I didn't follow it before. So I wasn't aware of like, I knew what the accusation was, but I was not aware. of like all the details surrounding it.

Okay. After it came out and I saw the testimony, this, I don't understand how the prosecution allowed this case to go forward. Oh. This makes absolutely no sense to me. And here's the thing, this isn't me saying, I believe, you know, Ms. Adams or I believe Mr. Diggs here.

This is more of, as the state, when you were the prosecution, it is your job to properly vet the case. It is your job to properly prepare your witnesses and have your evidence in order. And if you don't do those things and you have the higher burden of proof, right, but beyond a reasonable doubt, if you know that you can't do that, then you don't have a case and you're pretty much wasting everybody's time. When I watch the testimony of Ms. Adams, when I watched the testimony from the other witnesses that were privy to her before, during,

and after the alleged incident, I do not understand how you thought you had enough to move forward to find him guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. I just don't. They, and even if they maybe did, I would imagine, of course, that they would have sat down and prepped her before. If you felt like she wasn't answering questions or there were holes in her story or that she was maybe combative as a witness as we saw her when the trial was actually happening, then you should have again decided to not move forward with this case. Or you should have waited until you could get it together if you felt like, you know, you do believe her story and you wanted to move forward with it. They were not prepared. This was a bad presentation. Well, it seems like she was clearly

lying. Maybe she was. I'm not going to say yay or nay. I'm not going to say yay or nay. I'm I'm going to blame this on the state. If she wasn't lying, it looked like she was. Yeah. And my thing was, it's one thing if she comes up and says something and then people come up and say something different, her story didn't even add up. Her, the evidence she could not explain why she did something and would say things like, I don't recall, I don't remember, I don't understand. It's almost as if she didn't even anticipate the questions that were going to be thrown her way by the defense, which is what the prosecution does is their preparing their witness for trial. You have to prepare them for the cross. So I don't, I do not know

why this case went forward at all. So this looks really bad on the state. 90 minute verdict, excuse me, 90 minute verdict. Verdig in 90 minutes, lack of convincing incredible evidence presented by the prosecution. That's what that's signals. Now, it's interesting here. When I saw her on the stand, it seemed as if not anything that she said could she back up? This is my question to you. Legal Eagle situation. If she is suing him civilly,

that seems to be a situation to where, you know, like you guys, I don't want to... Is she suing him civilly as well? I don't know that she's suing him civilly. But what I'm saying is, you know, I've seen a lot of frivolous civil suits. I just, I have. It's a thing we talk about now.

It's actually a problem here. I've seen a lot of frivolous civil suits. I've seen a lot of civil suits guys where the people are fucking lying. It's a deal where they're just making shit up. They're seeing a lot of civil suits like that, like through my time of TMZ. Some of the civil suits were, for comedy purposes, I always bring this up. But there was one person that was able to like just do a suit.

And it was funny. And I know that you guys don't like when I laugh at stuff like this. But in one of these civil suits, this guy said, say it again, he said that he was at Disney World and he ran into Johnny Mansell. And Johnny Menzel exposed himself to him outside that it's a small, small world. Oh, you did say, you've said this. The guy said that he was exposing himself while singing. It's a small, small world referring to his, you know, he's saying it's an Oscar mind. I was like, and these suits were intentionally crazy.

And we will report on them, but the guys obviously weren't. In this situation, this is a criminal trial, though. Yeah. So I guess my question is, why do you think they brought it? Like, it's, this is the part to where for the barrier of entry or whatever, the thresholds, very low in the civil trial. It can do pretty much whatever you want. It's up to the person to go out there and do whatever. But in this situation, the state here is supposed to look at all.

of the evidence and make a determination about whether or not a charges like this are going to be brought. Do you think that there is a part of them that either wanted to get a big fish like Stefan Diggs or were afraid not to move forward with charges because he is famous and it would look like they weren't taking the victim's allegations seriously? Possibly. I mean, I'd have to speculate whether it was one or the other. Yeah.

I don't know what motivated them to do it. And here's the thing, too, it's like, again, it's an alleged story. She has the option to sue civilly, you know, because she could say emotional distress. I mean, there's testimony from her that because of her fear of being allegedly strangled that she urinated on herself. Like these, you know, it's more likely than not is the burden of proof in a civil case. And so she has a higher chance of victory if she went civilly. but and maybe she will, maybe she has, I have no idea. But again, this is up to the state.

They decide if they look at the evidence and say, you know, we want to go forward. They're not going to go forward just because, you know, they want, they feel the pressure because of him being famous. That shouldn't be the motivation. And it also shouldn't be the motivation that because he's famous, they want the attention that's going to be brought to them. Because to be honest, what's the first thing I said? The prosecution messed up.

I actually think this makes them look really bad because it looks like that they were, sorry, incompetent as attorneys because they did not either vet the case or prep her properly. But you stopped short at calling her a liar. You don't think that's fair. I mean, she did lie on some of it. They did actually catch her in some of it.

Like when they said, why did you delete these messages? There were text messages that were, and some of the wording was damning towards her. And she admitted, she was like, yeah, I removed it. and they were like, why? Or she said she didn't get paid. And then someone comes up and they're like,

you actually got overpaid. You got paid too much. You actually got paid more than you were supposed to. And then when she explains, you know, the details around it all and, you know, how something was supposed to happen for her and then it got taken away. Like, again, this is the reasonable doubt.

There is doubt created here because it looks like, based on the defense in what was presented, that she was being vindicted. because she didn't get to go to Miami for Art Basel. That's what it looks like. That is doubt. And if you don't have any evidence to move that out of a jury's mind,

you should not present the case. And that sucks for someone who's alleging something that happened to them. But also the state has a duty. They have a burden of proof. So I sit around a video of El Duncan. It's an interesting video. And the video is of Craig Harden asking Elle Duncan if she, feels like, what do you ask her?

If she feels like the Diana Rusini, greatest love story of our time with Mike Vrable, if that puts women in sports media in a bad situation because they're always up, they're always up against this,

they're going to reference this incident. They're always up against this notion that they are using their feminine wiles to get ahead. And L answers the question and says, no, of course not. I don't, I reject that because anyone that would believe that I'm using my feminine wild seeking ahead is not going to listen to.

They already believe that, right? She says it so much more eloquently than I could ever say it. She goes, a reasonable person would not think that every woman that's in this business has to sleep their way to the top. I'll tell you why I bring that up. And I just want to say what she also says is if someone does think that, then they were always going to think that. They were always going to think that.

And you're not, and you're always chasing credibility with that person. The reason why I bring this up is because it is sometimes uncomfortable for us to talk about situations like this where an accuser is lying because we have to volleyball that with a societal notion of bitches be lying, hosos or liars, niggas that feel that way, and that in any situation, whether the accusations are credible or not, will look for a reason to dismiss the accuser's claims. And we sometimes want to say that, hey, there's never a situation or a case where someone is being less than truthful because that gives steroids and ammunition strengthens and gives more firepower to people to the holes that's lying contingent. Okay. The reason why I bring up the L thing is because those guys are gone. They're gone. anyone that has discussing enough worldview

to look at somebody that's making this type of accusation or has put themselves on a lawn like this and say that they are 100% lying or that this is a means to control rich and powerful men. Those people are not the people that we are in this conversation with.

They're just gone. And for whatever reason they're gone. Maybe they believe too much of the old wives' tale about how you got to watch out for every single woman lurking around a take and harvest everything from you and whatever. Okay, cool. So when we're having this conversation in good faith,

we're not talking about them because they're out of here. Right. Now, we still have to continue with them because there are way more of them than we think that they are. But in this situation, as intelligent people, there are going to be times

where we have to look at a situation and be like, hey, she straight up is not telling the truth. And not just in a case like this, but in any case, with some of the favorite people that we like men and women to where they're going to say something, Justice Mullet, say something, and we're going to be like, hey, he's like, you know,

like sometimes people are going to claim racism, people are going to claim stuff like this, and we have to be able to go, hey, they're not telling the truth. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Now, in that case, believe what it is that you want to believe, but I personally, the way I look at it is I don't believe him, right? But at the same time, I think it's time for Jesse to come back, man. Oh, nobody said he can't come back.

There were people that think that Jesse can't come back. I think that Jesse... He shouldn't end his career. Done a lot of good work, yeah, but I think that there are a lot of people that go, oh, he put people in this type of situation and said this. I know he would still be mad at me for saying that I don't believe the story. He's very upset. He's already been very upset because I made a joke.

and stuff like that, but I think that people were under a lot of pressure, they're under a lot of stress, everyone, people do weird shit sometimes. There really wasn't a victim in it to me. And so I'm like, hey man, I can't wait to see Jesse back on top. But I'm forgiving like that.

I'm forgiving like that. And I hope that this woman can cook again. Did you see the dried up hot dog? Did you all see that? One of the testimonies It was like, well, what did she cook? And she's like, it was a hot dog. It was dried up.

Yeah. Now, I saw a picture of it, but I don't know if that was just like a social media thing or if that was really what it looked like. But it was just bread and a burnt weiner. What I do love is these articles on ESPN because they always got to bring it back to sports. The last paragraph on ESPN is,

Diggs is a thousand-yard season marked the seventh of his career. You know, complete a successful career revival. after season ending knee injury. Like they always got to bring it back to sports. But do you think that he, that they let him go because of this? The Patriots? What? Stefan Diggs?

Stefan Diggs was into a lot of shit, man. I just, oh yeah, there was the pink bag. There was the pink bag. There was just a lot of shit going on with Stefan Diggs. If you want to be the type of, if you want to have the type of personal life and peccadillos and all of this type of shit that Stefan Diz got, you got a, you can't be no thousand yards. You got to be up there around 16, 17, 100. You got to catch like 120 balls, probably like 17 touchdowns. You can do all of the stuff because it's got

guys that you can do all of this, but you got to produce more than Stefan Diggs to produce her right now. But I hope everybody is cool. Everybody, I mean, you know, she lies. She did one of the worst things you could do to try to get the nigga locked up, but it didn't work. So, you know, now. That was one point in the, yeah, yeah. I mean, they'd known each other for years when she was like, He didn't pay me that week. He sent me home. She was like, he sent me home because he had girls over. And I'm like, oh, like, you tell him on yourself.

Yeah, she's a, she lied. She lied. Okay. Met Gala. This is, okay. This is not me. Rage. Donnie?

Do you consider me a fashion girl? That's what you say. So, like, yeah. I have literally never said that. Donnie? But I do like fashion. Yeah, the event this year faced significant backlash. This is after Jeff Bezos.

was named an honorary chair and major sponsor sparking protests across New York City. Activists projected a video message from 72-year-old Amazon worker Mary Hill onto Jeff Bezos's Manhattan Penthouse. Let's hear from Ms. Hill. Jeff Bezos, my name is Mary Hill. I'm a 72-year-old warehouse worker at one-year-old facilities. When we struggle from paycheck to paycheck from week to week, Brinney angers me because if they were for every assumption in every Amazon facility, he wouldn't have all those zeros behind his name. Shame on you, Jeff Faisal.

The people that need to be being celebrated at the Met Gala are the workers. People like me, we deserve that celebration. We deserve so much more than we're getting. Remember, Jeff, ordinary people like myself that help men. Make you billionaires. If we built it, we can tear it down. Think about that tonight, okay? Enjoy your damn gala.

Tough. Tough stuff. She's right. You know, there was a lot of criticism. There were protests. There were, I think they're always protests at the gala, but there were Amazon workers who did their own gala and their own fashion shows, which was interesting.

But I also, as many, people is there are being critical. I'm also seeing a number of people who are like, so what. It was interesting, I was watching the view and to see their take on it. And Whoopi Goldberg was kind of like, and I'm paraphrasing, but just basically the sentiment was like, yes, there are things that are going on in this world. But, you know, if somebody wants to go and dress up for a gala, you know, like that shouldn't erase some of the other good that they do. And there was kind of an agreeance among the parents. amongst a panel about, at least in the part that I was watching, about like, yeah, like, you should be able to go to the Met Gala, you know, if you choose to do, and that doesn't define

who you are as an entire person. And I think the thing with Bezos is that it's different because it's almost like this is the cherry on top. You know, you have Amazon workers saying that they're being worked so hard that they can't even take a bathroom break. And they have to use the bathroom in bottles of water. You have, you know, the testimony of the woman here and the various other people that they projected across buildings in New York City. You have major layoffs. You have that also with other things that he owns with the Washington Post and the editorial decisions that are being made over there. You have him donating millions and millions of dollars to the president's inauguration fund. You have him paying $40 million for Melania's movie.

You have him having a $50 million wedding. You have him, and then you see him on a $500 million yacht. Yet you have workers that are saying they're being overworked. You're doing all these layoffs. You're still making all this money where you can show off, and we have to watch this affluent life you're living, but then also see all these people who are suffering at the hands of it. And it's just his richness, obviously we know he's rich, but it's just so loud and in your face, when also what's in your face are the number of people that are struggling who are making you rich.

And that's what seems to be so grotesque about him then attending the Met Gala because he bought his way to be a part of it as a chair for he and Lauren. And the backdrop is a city of people where one and four are in poverty, where people are struggling to where even Momdani was like, I'm not attending it because it's just such an in-y-y-y-y-y-y-you-law. your face thing. And the fact that that isn't something that is being recognized to me is problematic. Like, yeah, you can go to nice things and you can dress up. But when you have it as it being a Bezos affair, when the people who work for him are talking about their struggles, it just feels like maybe this is something that you should skip.

Browning. So. Yeah, you bottom. Okay. Come on. So here's the thing about the Met Gala. the MetGala assumes something because the MetGala is a fundraiser.

It's a fundraiser. It is a fundraiser. The arts. It's a fundraiser for the arts. But in it being a fundraiser, the Met Gala assumes something. The Met Gala, to me, assumes a belief and an understanding

that the people at the Met Gala, the richest, most famous, most beautiful amongst us, that they are connected to ordinary people because it's a fundraiser. See, it being a fundraiser means that the sort of the decadence of the MetGall is okay

because it goes so a good cause. The reason why that type of philanthropic deal is important for the mega rich is because it kind of reinforces the American belief, really with some of the part of American culture is that what's good for the really rich is good for everyone. So if it's 2015 or if it's 2005 or 2010 and you're watching the Met Gala, you're able to enjoy the Met Gala because the Met Gala isn't

just to celebrate these incredibly beautiful, rich, well-dressed, perfect people. It's also for the arts, and the arts is for everyone. The arts is for you. That fundamental belief to me no longer exists. You can't give away enough money at this point. The game is over. It's over. It's over. You can't give away enough money. People are holding on to that. People are holding on to the belief to me that you can have this much money, parked all of that, your cap gang is going crazy every single year, and that that's okay because you can give back enough to offset the damage that your riches do to sight. That is, that, that's gone.

So it doesn't matter if Jeff Bezos is the person behind the Met Gala, or if he's the co-chair of the Met Gala, it doesn't matter. Moving forward, people will ask, do we need shit like this? And the reason why they'll ask is because it, I have, I'm not standing on a hot, look, people love the Met Gala, it's very important and fast. It's very important in all of that. It's a cultural event, all of this stuff. People are going to ask the question, moving forward,

of all of this type of stuff, of any place where the rich and famous are celebrated, they're going to ask the question, is there anything in this for us? Is this a part of us in any way? Because, once again, when things are better, when you have a little bit more money in your pocket, when the economy is moving,

when it's working a little bit better for you, you might be able to have a good time, have some fun, do all of that stuff. You might be able to do that, right? But in this case, especially with this group of guys, Jeff Bezos,

Mark Zuckerberg, all of those people who rolled over and showed their fucking bellies to Donald Trump and to everything, you know that they don't stand for anything.

That they are bottom line, bottom dollar slaves. And if that means you got to work 50 hours and you got to work 50 hours. If that means your son or daughter has to go to Iran, then they're going. If all of that stuff has to happen for them to go to the moon, land a rocket, have a boat, date a younger woman, do the whole thing. That's what the fuck you're going to do.

And so people know that now. They know it. Not one of these guys has stood up and been like, no, I don't agree with this. As a matter of fact, it did the opposite. When it was in vogue to be down with the people, it was down with the people. and when it was involved to be down with Palpatine and Vader, they did that too. So we know it's a lot. So now when you look at this situation with him being there, it is a reminder that what this is and what this has always been,

it's a celebration of really rich, really famous, really powerful people. It's back in the day, it didn't bother you as much. Now, I keep trying to say this. Everyone is trying to say this. the fucking shit is falling apart. The Oz is being revealed. And people are going, wait a second, man. This is getting better for one group of people and I'm not a part of that.

So I don't really give a fuck how much your outfit costs. Costs $100,000. You look great. We don't understand it in the first place. I don't give a fuck how much it costs. It is what it is. This is not to besmirk anybody that went. And I'll tell you why.

why I'm not doing that. It's because don't, I'm just, I'm trying to be, shut up, Jade. Jade, I took my glasses off because I'm trying to be a human person here. I know, but when you put them back on, you always put them on crooked.

And I can't, I can't correct you in the middle of your rant. Do your thing. No. Do your thing. Now, I don't. You always put them on crooked. They don't go back on right? No, and then it gives, it gives,

when that gives old man. But what about this, though? about, because I figured out I could do this and look at Jay. I really love that look. And then I could look at the computer. Yes, better. This is all the same. I like that, yeah.

It's all I'm all the same. I'm not talking about, I'm not calling for grace for the celebrities at the mecgala. But I am saying this. These people, their whole lives, they were told, look at Rachel, they were told that they, that getting to the Met Gallo was a part of the deal. And they're, I, when I'm talking about. about this even when I was talking about the Jay-Z and the capitalism thing, when I said that I

understood what he was saying in terms of his whole life, they were telling him, hey, this is what you need to do. And then you get there and people go, wait a minute, this thing is bad. So all the Meggala people, they were like, hey, one day, I want to be beautiful and

dressed in Dior, dripping in Prada, Fendi, Bottega, Louie. Oh, look at me, I got the Valencia. One day, and so now to get to that point, and then to have somebody tell you, A, you're really supporting something. I would get how, for some people, that that would be either confusing or something that they would be like, wait a minute. Hold on.

Now when I get to the McDonald's bad or when I get here to be. I understand that from a human perspective. But what I'm saying is these types of things are going to be fucking litigated. But especially when you got that black lady who looked like somebody's grandma. 72 years old. Still working. Still working. still working.

I got so many questions. Does that woman own a home? Is there any type of ownership or wealth that she has? What is her life like? That's whose life I fucking care about right now. I don't give a fuck who built and made your outfit how long it took to create, how long the train is on the dress,

the theme of the Met Gala, none of it. I don't give a fuck about any of it. I care about that woman's life. That was brilliant. And that's not going away. So they might as well in the next Met Gala, they should take 40 people from Amazon to dress them up. They should go to some small town

and put some lady in all of that stuff that never gets a chance to do that. They should figure out who the fuck needs to be able to, they should if they care about people. Yeah, I don't really care about people going as much either, but with the basos of it all, it's like. You want to go? No, actually, it's not for me,

but I just, it's just the basos of it all. all like you just, it's all the millions of dollars you're spending and you have so many people suffering. And it's like, why would you want to be in a picture with this person? Why would you want to be affiliated with someone who easily could redirect his money? But instead, he lays people off so he can continue to live this. And then just the tackiness of it all. Like they're so busy trying to be so cool. They keep trying to buy their way to cool. You can't buy cool. And every single time, Lauren and Jeff, yeah, like, it just doesn't work. Can I throw something into the pod?

Can I throw something in? Okay, so Mr. Beas just did something that's very funny to me. Okay, so y'all are familiar with pop bass? It's the food. Pop base is a Twitter handle. Oh. Okay. So it's not a huge Twitter handle, but it is a Twitter handle.

Okay, so. It's both Mississippi's birthday, and it's also Adele's birthday. So they both have the same birthday when you know it. So Adele's birthday, I guess Adel's birthday was two days ago, actually. Adele's birthday, it said, happy 38th birthday to the iconic Adele. The Emmy 16-time Grammy and Oscar-winning vocalist is one of the biggest forces in music history with numerous records to her name, including one of the fastest-selling albums of the 21st century. She is one of the best-selling most acclaimed artists of all time

And it has these beautiful pictures of Adele See right here beautiful pictures of Adele Now Mr. Bees' birthday was today And this is what it said It said Mr. Bees turns 28 So Mr. Bees responded Oh, he did, okay He did

Mr. Bees said, I find it funny How different these two tweets are And they kicked Mr. Bees' motherfucking ass After he said that Then he came back and he said, I'm not being crucified over this tweet. Guys, I didn't say anywhere I'm better than Adele. I just thought the contrast was funny.

Stop reaching and live a little. They could have given him more of a description. Okay. You know what? Here's the thing. This is something, this is, Mr. Bees is wildly successful. For Mr. Bees, you was mad. Do you feel like he was mad?

Yeah, he was bothered. He was a little, it was a little embarrassing. For him. Because Mr. Bees has. 34.6 million followers on Twitter. Million followers on Twitter. Mr. Beasts is looking around. I'm the motherfucking man.

And he thought that they was going to give him the same love that they gave to Adele and they didn't. I think we can admit it's a little, he wanted to feel some respect. Okay. And he feels disrespected. Okay.

That's what he feels. I mean, he got acknowledged. He's a big time celebrity He got acknowledged At least they said happy birthday Can I So this is interesting to me The fact that Mr. Beast

Okay what's your favorite Mr. Beast joint I don't follow Mr. Beast like that But my nephews are big fans of his Amazon show They big fans at Amazon so y'all folk with Mr. Beast too Sometimes sometimes I see something on YouTube And it'll be like Can you subscribe Can you survive

a year in a bunker with only fucking pissy sticks. Can you and your ex live underwater in a fucking igloo? Like, can you put your hand on the surface of the sun for five seconds? Mr. Bees finds out. Like, I see this stuff and I'm like, God damn, I'm looking at this shit and I'm watching, and it is what it is. But, like, I think this is a fascinating look

into the difference between someone who gives you something to watch and somebody who makes you feel. And I want everybody to understand this. There are a lot of people out there that are famous because they give people something to watch. They give them a way to pass a time, a cool spectacle to look at. If you are that person, there are riches

and there is fame and there is access in that. You are never, ever, ever going to compete with anyone in any way who makes someone feel. something. You know what's interesting. Who produces a song that reminds them of the first time they fell in love or a movie that makes them like reexamine their situation or anything. The ability to make a human being feel emotion is going to take that person and put them

in a different plane than somebody who can stream for a long time or do a stunt or something like that. It's not the same. All of that stuff like that when he was looking at Adele, that's because people fucking love Adele because they hear her voice and it make them want to get to crying and shit. Yeah, I mean, true. But I guess even though I'm not as familiar with Mr. Beast, to your point about feeling things,

one of the biggest things I know about him is how charitable he is. And there is a feeling like that, because I don't consume his content. Again, I know his show because of my nephews, but I feel like I'm always seeing stories about how charitable he is. So I'm like, oh, he makes a lot of money. He does a lot of stuff, but he gives back a lot. There's a feeling in that.

No, it's not. is to me, I have no problem with Mr. Bees at all. Once again, I think some of the stuff is interesting, right? But it makes sense to give back, like when you're saying, can 50 people walk across razor blades, five hours, like, let's look at it. Yeah, because a lot of people are going to look at Mr. Bees, and they're going to be like, he's found a way to cynically do squid games. for people and make people compete for sums of money

in a depressed economy and the way to kind of launder that is to give money back. I'm not necessarily saying that, but I'm saying don't matter how much you give back, that nigger not comparing the fire and the rain type of situation. What does his tweet say again? What if they say? His tweets say,

I find it funny how different these two tweets are. What a pop ace write for him? They wrote, Mr. B turns 28. I'm sorry. They could have been like, YouTuber, philanthropist, entrepreneur, you know, like, they could have given him some more defining things.

They really could have. I don't think he's over-exaggerating about that. Like they, you could have defined who Mr. Beast is with some titles, at the very least. One of the greatest vocals of all time compared to some creepy internet guy. One of the greatest vocals of all time versus a clickbait YouTuber.

That's why he's upset. Maybe just maybe because no one likes you. Which is so not true. He has millions of followers. You are not that special. Seriously, low-key, everyone thinks you are a douchebag. Not saying that you actually are, but to be honest, you used to be all right, but then something happened. We don't know if it was like what happened to Justin Bieber type thing or just ego, really.

They're going in on Mr. Bees. I didn't realize that it was this type. That's what he's saying. It opens up the door for it. Well. Well, I mean, he got into it. He got into it himself, but the greatest female singer versus a YouTube creep who prays on little kids. God damn.

Further research with Mr. Bees. This year, a class action lawsuit was filed by contestants from the show for a hostile work environment, including failure to provide basic food, water, and water, sexual harassment, and a lack of safety protocols during production for Amazon. Now, I bet you these people don't even, I bet you these people don't even much know that. I bet these people don't even know that. I bet these people just like, Mr. Beas ain't no motherfucking Adele. I'm telling you guys,

I'm not hating on nobody because I'm not no Adele either. I'm not hating on anyone, but I'm saying connection, making people feel, all of that stuff is just going to go further. I was trying to help it out. Can your dick survive in ice water six hours?

Is that really what his content is? It's actually more than that. I'm just joking around. I mean, some of the shit is interesting. I knew the last one, when they got turned sexual. You know, I saw some higher learning fans outside of the... Oh my gosh, yes.

Shout out to the higher learning, thought warriors that we met outside. Shout out to the thought warriors that came out, these two lovely ladies, and they went, we knew it would be sexual. I told the story of how I knew that my father jacked off. Well, you kept saying this is a story about my nephew, and we lost him pretty quickly in the story. Well, it was because the nephew stuff really was predicated on people laughing

at me thinking that my nephew would be a school shooter. and people didn't laugh at that as much as I thought they were. They laughed. It was kind of like, no, they laughed because we chuckled. I think you hear things different from the stage and where we were, but it was like, do we laugh? Should we laugh? It was like that one of those things, which is how your other joke,

your new joke might make people feel. It's like, I don't know if I can laugh. Is that how you felt, Jade? Yeah, exactly. I think that's what it was. It wasn't that it wasn't funny. It was like, is it too soon? No, no, no.

Like, look, this little nigg would call me up and he goes, look, I got some bad things going on. And I was fucking scared. I was like, what the fuck is he about to do? He was just trying to... He said, like, dark thoughts or something. It was like something... He said, I got dark.

He's like... Yeah. But really it was that he was like, he felt weird because he couldn't stop jacking off, which makes a lot sense. But like, he... And like, you know, just if he's listening, you know what man?

You know, you're 14. Pull that motherfucker. You're 14, dog. You know, my nephew. who doesn't have a jack-off problem. Do you know what he has? What? He has an access problem. To the material. Let me tell you what the difference is with these new kids as what relates to jacking off. Okay, I'll tell you what the difference is. Bernard, you know what I'm talking about.

He's probably in a state where he can't access it like you used to be able to. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Don't say it the way I used to be able to use it. No, I was, okay, first off, that is you projecting because I said you and it was an understood you. Oh, no, it wasn't an understood you. Oh, I swear to God it was an understood Well, no, no, I didn't take it like that, and I'll tell you why. The reason why I didn't tell you is because really these kids that think they have a jackoff problem, they don't have a jackoff problem. Louis C.K. has a jackoff problem. They don't have a jackoff problem.

What they have is an access problem. See, right now they can access 95 to 97 percent of the world's porn, right? Anytime they want, the porn that's ever been created, they can type it in and they can go see it. All kinds of different porn. What I wanted to watch porn, 1994, 1995, I had to be fucking James Bond. Do you understand what I'm talking about? about. I had to go into mom and dad's room. I had to put the porn in the VCR. I had to note the scene that the porn was on. Then rewind back to that same scene after. I had to simultaneously listen for the dogs that were in the backyard because they would bark when mom will pull up. And I also had to listen for dad's diesel engine that would come up the street. You never got caught? Never one time. Like one time. Who caught you?

Ebony. I love Ebony. Ebony called me. And when Ebony called me, she didn't even say anything crazy. She just went, hmm. Then she closed the door, and I just heard her laugh. And as she walked down the hall, I was like, damn. So, like, when my nephew doesn't have a jack-off problem, they just got access, it's too much.

It's too easy. It just wasn't that easy. Okay. Mr. Beasts, before we leave, this is the last couple of Mr. Bees' videos. I straighted 100 people in the wilderness for $250,000. Last to leave the grocery store wins $250,000. Like, it's like 50 streamers fight for a million dollars. That's Mr. Beasts and I shall speed.

I mean, you know, I'm the TMZ guy. I can't fucking get on Mr. Bees where I'm saying like, nigga, this ain't no 21. Okay. So they love Adele in a different way. All right, Rachel, your topic. What do you want to do? What should we do next? What should we do?

What should we do? Migos return, Quanza Jones. What do you think about the Migos reunion? I'm so fucking happy. It's about time. Yeah. Yeah, Quavo and Offset have ignited speculation that they're rejoining for new music. They posted photos of them together in the studio with construction emojis and a cryptic caption, hinting that a major project might be underway.

This would be the first one after takeoff's death. a few years ago. Yeah, I mean, they had tension even before takeoff passed away. And I would have thought that, and I remember even Cardi B calling out for them to stop, I would have thought that the death of a family member, friend, brother, creator, all of it would have brought them together and it didn't. And then we saw Offset get shot recently as well. And I just, you know, put the music aside.

These are their family. And whatever it is differences they have, they should be able to come together. Now that they are coming together, they're better together, in my opinion, when it comes to music. So I'm excited that they've made up. I'm excited that they're coming back together and they're going to give the people what they want. That's how it should be. This out should be. Yeah.

So it's phenomenal. It's phenomenal for a couple of reasons. Number one, we've seen Domingos apart. and I like some of the stuff. I think what really happened here was just a case study. Huh? What you mean? I said ego.

Well, yeah. That's what happens. It's a case study in the way groups end up breaking up. So prior to the death of takeoff. What you have is a group hits. And at first it seemed like everyone thought that Cuevo was going to be the big deal that came from the Migos, right? I remember Quavo at one time. I think he had tried to get his own manager

or he was fucking with Scooter or something like that was happening and that whole thing got weird. And then all of a sudden offset becomes the one from the Migos that is killing guest appearances and everybody is talking about I don't know how that went over.

There was all, there were never a group that didn't make headlines. Sometimes it would be something that would happen or something at the club or whatever. But it was just regular music shit that seemed to kind of force them apart. And then when takeoff was killed,

when he was murdered, uh, there was a time when they got back together. Well, they did a BET Awards, I think is performance. And you thought, are they going to realize that it's deeper than this rap shit? How long

is it going to take them to realize it's deeper than this rap shit that they family did. It came up together that they was in that situation where they were like climbing together and, you know, sharing clothes, doing all of that stuff, all this shit that niggas do when they don't have anything. I thought it was just a matter of time until they realized that both musically and energetically, they're better off as family men.

So what you're saying is you always knew they were going to come back together. Yep. They family. And by the way, not only... People have... That isn't always the case. Not only do they always... Like, most of the time with these groups, most of the time with these groups that have these big breakups,

most of the time there's some sort of reconciliation when you think about these groups, There's some where there was never a reconciliation. But most of the time with these groups, you see them back together at some point when things live. Do you think that's motivated by things that aren't rooted in, like, family and brotherhood? Well, I think. Or, because, like, when you say that, and I'm not just subjecting this to Migos, but when you're, like, most of the time they come back together,

when I think of that, I think, well, they need each other. It's more of a financial thing. Well, yeah, sometimes. But, like, then look at that situation, like, new addition. Well, that's exactly what I was thinking of. Well, New Edition didn't need each other. Bobby Brown goes on and becomes like a gigantic star and then New Edition puts Johnny Gill in the group

and they got the Eni Heartbreak, my favorite joint. Yeah, we're still in the 80s. I'm talking about now, them coming back together. But now they owe, right? So now it's like they can do new addition with Bobby. They can do an issue without Bobby. And they did come back all together in the 90s. They did home again.

With Bobby and Johnny. Right, with Bobby and Johnny, all of them come back together. My point with that is like even before, my point with that is that you're going to see some sort of reconciliation from these groups, particularly when these groups were together when they were young and they had a lot of success and all of that stuff like that. A lot of them come back together. And sometimes people die or whatever, whatever, it doesn't happen. But with them, there was a closeness that also, even the way the Migos made music, like to me indicated this closeness because they add, living, everybody going in. It was like they were one organism as a group. I agree.

It's like they finished each other sentences with the rap. Like I was almost like, is that on the paper? Are y'all just like vibing? So like when they weren't together anymore, it was kind of like, it was really fucked up. I'm happy to see it. I'm really happy they're coming together. Have we been staying away from politics on the pod?

No, I think we've just. What do you want to talk about? There's things happening. I mean, no, we just talked about redistricting. We did. And it's still going on. We had Karen Bass on the podcast. We did have Karen Bass on the podcast.

Did you itching for some politics? It's what I'm saying? Did you watch the mayoral debate? Did anybody watch it? Oh, man. I didn't know about it. So I woke up this morning and I watched it. You watched it?

I watched it. What did you think? I think that if Spencer Pratt was trying to differentiate himself from Karen Bass, he did a terrible job at it. Oh, wow. He agreed with Karen Bass on a lot of stuff, and it was more so a back and forth between him and the councilwoman. He flat out complimented Karen Bass. He, I mean, when it comes to the fires, obviously, we know where he stands with that.

But he even was like, I don't want to run against her. She's got all these unions supporting her. I actually agree with her. You know, she talked about wanting more police, so does he. She talked about wanting to move them off the streets. So does he. He more so was at odds with the councilwoman than he was with her. And I thought if that is who you end up going against,

you did a really bad job of trying to show how anti, how, if she's so bad for L.A., why do y'all agree on so much? Karen Bass? Why do Spencer Pratt and Karen Bass agree on so much if she is so bad according to Spencer Pratt? And then obviously this debate revealed and the moderators kept asking him, okay that we know you're passionate about being in this race we know you're passionate about what happened to you and to your community but how would you fix it what policy never had an answer right never what i will say about this debate and the uh the the the the reaction to debate is that like yo spencer pratt is has a is it is it they're little click Spencer Pratt has an entire social media apparatus. Oh, yeah.

That is way more robust than I thought they was. Because, like, if you didn't watch the debate and you just watched the coverage on the debate from figures on the right, you would think that Spencer Pratt got up there and smoked everyone. So I had to watch. He had good moments.

He had moments where he looked authentic, where he looked like he was legitimately the screaming voice of Los Angeles at two politicians. But if you watch the entire debate, there is no fucking way that you will come away going that guy's qualified to be the mayor. And that's just like a reality.

And look, once again, I am down to have all the mayoral. We'd love to. We'd love to have Spencer on. Would love to have Nithia Raman on. We'd love to have Spencer Pratt on. We've had Karen Bass on. So we'd love to put these questions to them.

I actually reached out to Nithia Raman's people. and I think we got something brewing, something cooking. But if you look at what's, because she has a record that she could run on in terms of things that she's been able to get done. For her district. For her district. She didn't do a good job in talking

in defending some of her actions as a city councilwoman in regards to the city as a whole. Okay, so who did you think did the best in the- Karen Bass? You thought Karen Bass carried today. Like, by far carried today. I mean, Pittsburgh-Rot even goes, I don't want to run against her.

Not just the unions. he was like, she's been the mayor for four years. I mean, I'm telling you, he made Karen Bass look good. I'm sorry. Except for the fires, which she was able to refute. I just think that I really was shocked. I only watched because of exactly what you said. I get on threads and everyone's talking about Spencer Pratt

and how well he did and how he cooked everybody and all of this. And then I'll watch it. And I'm like, oh, people didn't watch. They just watch these moments where he was funny. or they watch these moments. I mean, he literally said, I mean, I don't have to know how to balance a budget. I'll hire people smarter than me to do that.

A lot of people are going to go for that type of shit, though. I don't, I, well, I mean, did you have somebody balancing your personal budget for the millions of dollars that you lost? That don't mean shit to me. Spencer Pratt, come on higher learning. That doesn't mean anything to me. You're going to go back to them crystals to tell you how to do it. That doesn't mean anything to me.

Damn. I'll tell you something right now. This is what I'll say. it's very important that you guys watch the shit not just the debates I'm not talking about that like I'll tell you something else Tucker Carlson okay so I watch a lot of Tucker right

I watch a lot of Tucker right I watch a lot of Tucker and let me tell you what I realize the clip farming or prop clipping as Tim Poole says that goes on with Tucker is like it's next level

because I watch the Tucker Carlson stuff right I like clip farming. Clip for me. I like that term. So it's next level. Say what I mean. So if let's say in the, if Tucker's doing an interview and the interview is with Ted Cruz or Mike Huckabee or whatever, he's able to sit down with one of these people and shred them on these issues where they are clearly, clearly, not just intellectually, but energetically compromised.

they are compromised on these issues. They are beholden to entities, political thoughts, movements, or whatever. And so he's able to lob stuff out there that is easy to make these guys look like fools. Like you ask Ted Cruz how many people are in Iran. He's in Iran-Hawk. He doesn't know how many people.

He wants to go in and destabilize or destroy a civilization in the guise of freeing them or ending a nuclear program. He doesn't know anything about what he's going to do, right? Tucker is like talented at that. But then there are other interviews. Like he had his brother on.

His brother's name Buckley. Tucker and Buckley. It's very white. Tucker and Buckley. His brother's name was Buckley. The conversation was so grotesquely racist at times. The conversation was so disgustingly racist, homophobic, anti-American in ways. They spent a whole fucking portion of the conversation

talking about how much they loved big tobacco. How much they want people to smoke and smoke. Like, you guys, a lot of you guys never lived during the time where you had to go places and people were smoking everywhere. People smoke everywhere. You got a fucking headache, the whole deal. So you guys don't have to live in a world where it was smoke everywhere. You go to hospital and smoke.

You go on a plane that they're smoking. They're smoking everywhere. Your world is better. because big tobacco was brought to his knees. Facts. And these two guys are talking about ripping the filter out of shit and smoking it like in 65.

On top of that, they're talking about all of the buds worlds, anti-white racism, all of that stuff. You watch the stuff that was clipped from that interview, though? The stuff that was clipped from that interview were salient points made against Donald Trump or salient points made against the government of Israel. And they just glossed over

all of the other putrid ideas that Tucker Carlson is still beholden to as he tries to laundry them. We talked about this. I told you so I don't trust these people. No, no, no, no. But the difference is like, for me, I do think, though, that on certain issues, they have legitimately moved. And it doesn't matter if they've moved or not.

What matters is like now, I truly believe that Tucker Carlson and the rest of these people now have moved away from Donald Trump, but because they have to move away from Donald Trump. but there's still all those grotesque things that you saw, which is what I'm like, so it doesn't mean that much because when it comes to an election, they're still going to vote for things that further that.

Well, the only thing that it does mean to me, and this is the reason why I encourage people to watch the entire thing, is because I'm, the one thing that I can't really do on the podcast that I wish that I could do more of because I'm not good enough is I'm encouraging people to be,

sophisticated on this stuff. Sure. And I do not think that there is any need or want for people to be that. I think that people want to have easy answers and more and safe answers to really complex and weighty problems. Because if you're going to be sophisticated on it, then some of this clipping is the way that you do it. You would take prominent figures on the right and use so.

certain things that they say to undergird your arguments. And I'll be honest, that's what they do to us. Sure. What they do to us is they listen to the whole thing. Don't matter how many you could say, vote for Kamala Harris, vote for Kamala Harris, vote for Kamala Harris, vote for whomever else. And they listen to all of the stuff that you talk about. But if there is one specific point of agreement, they take that point of agreement

and they use it to speak to an average person and say, look. Yeah. We live in a clickbait society. But I'm saying for people, watch the whole thing. Can I ask you this as a connoisseur of Tucker Carlson? Tucker Carlson? What does he say about or has he addressed the redistricting and the Supreme Court ruling? And, you know, when it comes to a Supreme Court, especially when they're supposed to be institutionalists,

they have made it an open playing field to just throw out basically a Democratic Republic and just do whatever the fuck they want when it comes to drawing up to these redistricting maps. Has he addressed that? And where does he stand?

Because obviously we know it hurts one group of people. So I'm just curious as to what he said about that. So this is what I... So I haven't listened to him since that stuff has happened, right? The brother interview.

The brother interview was a long time ago. Oh, okay. So there's been a lot of time. Tucker something's happening. So I haven't listened to him since then. But I'll say this though, he is blissfully non-specific. And he would, he gets granular on things that he believes to be the root of the problem. So he thinks that the root of Trump's bad policy right now is his relationship to Israel. So almost every single show comes back to that. Every single show, comes back to the fact that America first can't possibly exist

if Donald Trump is so closely threaded with the Israeli government and Benjamin Netanyahu. So every problem that exists in America is downstream of that. Every single problem, meaning that like if we're talking about homelessness, if we're talking about drugs, if we're talking about crime,

all of those problems come because we are not focused on our country and we're not focused on our country because we're beholden to another country. So when he talks about the things like what you're talking about right now, the way he would discuss them is he would say he go, I don't look at any group

and discriminate on any group based on their blood because that's not what the Christian Bible says to do. I don't use blood trauma against people. That's not a Christian thing and anyone that would do that is not Christian. Well, he'd probably say that anything that has race as a determining as a determining a district or determining the makeup of something should not be allowed and then he would probably agree with it.

Well, he would say that except he is very specific about one type of racism, which is anti-white racism, which he believes because part of that group of people's, part of their method of thinking is that they are, they believe in, you know, white male orthodoxy. So they think that. anything that threatens that is destabilizing to the country because white guys have to fly the planes and, you know, make the food and do all that stuff. So all that's important. But like what I would say, though, is like where you can gain wins, I accept victory. That's the fucked up part about me. The fucked up part about me is that like if we're playing a basketball game, like my goal is to win the game.

Of course. So that means that if we're playing, two things might happen. Last thing I'll say on this. if we're playing a basketball game and you can't miss, eventually, I'm, no, see, the opposite. If we're playing the game, a basketball game, and my goal is for me to score, then I'm going to make sure that I get in the way of you doing what you're doing. But if the goal is to win the game and you can't miss, then I'm going to make sure you get the ball. But even more than that, if we're playing and I realize you're going to shoot every time

you touch the ball, then my goal then is to get you easier shots. Oh, we're on the same team. We're on the same team. If we're playing and I'm like, this nigga is going to shoot every time. It's two types of players. One type of player goes, man, fuck this nigga. They get the ball out of the basket. They run down and they chuck it up every time.

And now what you have is two people on the court and both of them are doing their own thing. My goal is always to stay on the court. So if you, if you're going to shoot it every time, then I'm just going to get you easier shots. That's the way I look at everything. The way I look at everything is how do I win? And even if in somebody's rhetoric, it's not a total win,

if I can use something that they're saying to add to what it is that I'm doing, then I'm going to be like, we have to take that win. I agree with you. And you take that single thing and you use it to your advantage, not as that single thing. And you don't do this, but I'm just saying defines or redefines who this person is now. I'm just going to use this piece of you. I still know who you are.

Right. Okay. Well, especially when they're, you know, they say it so much. But, you know, what's the way? Here's the deal. Not everybody has to do that. Like we were talking about the I alien Omar thing. Not everybody has to do that.

I'm not asking everyone else to do that. I'm asking you to be sophisticated in your critique. But if you go, hey, fuck you guys. But some of these people are going to have to go out and whip votes in places where they wouldn't necessarily get those votes. And we have to give them space to do that. So, you know, Tucker, come on and come on the show. Rachel will talk to you. Would you, would have Tucker on?

You would? Who wouldn't you have on? Candace. Only Candice. I have to think about some other people. Who? Give us a list of people. Give us a list of racial.

I don't know if I would do, it's going to sound like only women, but I, oh, I wouldn't have Nick Fuentes on. Yeah, you know, we're not going to put any Nazis on. Well, I'm just, you know, your name, because I was about to say Megan Kelly, and I didn't want to just say women, so I was Nick Fuentes. You wouldn't put on that.

You know what I wouldn't have on? You know, what do I call them, I don't remember what the original name is, so I'm just going to say fit and fuck. That black... Fresh and fit? Yeah. Do they even have that podcast anymore?

I do. The... Myron Gaines. Myron. Because I saw he went on a rant the other day and it's like, I wouldn't even talk about this kind of stuff on the podcast. Like I wouldn't even have it on. It's about black women.

Again? Oh. Now here I am having to talk about it. He talks about how they're loud, they're ugly. They wear their too much weave, lashes. He kept calling him Shinnikwa. It was like a whole thing. I would never have him on the podcast.

Right. What's the point? Yeah. So there's a list. There's no point in that. And that's really my thing. If I don't feel like there's a point or I feel like you're just going to lie in when you say stuff, then what's the point of having that person on the podcast? I mean, mine games and shut the builder are the same person. Agreed. Same person. Same guy doing the same thing.

Agreed. Same guy doing the same thing. It's exact same shit. Trying to like. Hey, y'all. It's Kelly Clarkson with Wayfair. Ever order furniture online and wonder what if? Like, what if it doesn't hold up?

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There's no difference. Let's talk about Dana White. He was on the Katie Miller podcast recently and spoke specifically about masculinity and men's mental health. I hate this whole men's mental health. bullshit that they talk about. Unfortunately, when you're a man, you are the provider. You are the one that takes care of your family.

You know, you are the example for your kids when they grow up and your sons, you know, and your daughters. And unfortunately, you can't be that guy that's, I see these guys posting on social media. I had a bad day and I'm so sad and all this other crazy shit. So unattractive. Oh, it's just, it's unattractive to other males, let alone women. I can't even imagine. Yeah, I'm really against all that shit.

As a man, how does that make you feel? As a man, how does it make me feel? Yeah, I mean, you put, you, this spoke to you. It did speak to me. Um so Dana White is a fucking idiot Yeah

And You know It's difficult to call somebody That is so successful A fucking idiot But he is He is a fucking idiot Um

You know Men have a choice They have a choice They have a choice. they have a choice whether or not they are going to kill themselves or kill their pride

and the reality is that the rate in which men unalive themselves the rates that they harm people that are close to them the rate that they take things out unresolved mental issues on the community at large is staggering.

It's staggering. At a time where we are seeing men hurt their wives, kill their wives, kill their children, run into places and kill everybody. Kill everybody because they can't get a date. Kill everybody because they feel like no one's listening, no one's hearing them, to say that caring about your mental health

or prioritizing your mental health or discussing your mental health is weak or unattractive or something that you shouldn't do is it's not, it's evil talk. Like we have so much evidence right now that that is the last thing that we should be saying or listening to.

Now look, Dana White is somebody who over the course of his career has made an incredible living off other people's strife. Not that I haven't. Not that I haven't. But he's someone who's made a lot of money on the fact that sometimes men are angry and they need to take it out on someone. You know, MMA is a sport. It's a skill.

It's a discipline. It takes a lot of thought and precision and practice and all of that. I'm not saying that everybody in the UFC is crazy. But I am saying that, you know, we live in a society. We're watching each other brutalize. Watching us, watching people brutalize each other is something that we get off on. so that kind of is what it is. You know, I'm a boxer.

I get it. But, you know, for him to be at this point and say those things, I would just tell men that not only is Dana White, an idiot and a liar, but he's obsolete. That type of thinking is obsolete. I would say to men that I want you to be happy and I want you to thrive. And I want you to thrive and be happy with nothing to hide.

I want your vulnerability and your struggle to be something that you can publicly revel in overcoming. I want your son to be able to look at you and say, my daddy went through that and he's better. My daddy can talk to me.

My daddy made a better me. The pastor at my church made a better me. The teacher made a better me. My coach made a better me. I know how to be who I am in a better, realer way because that man was better and realer to himself and he didn't have to hide.

And there's nothing pussy about that. There's nothing unattractive about that. There's nothing whack about that. Dana White should be ashamed of himself and maybe if he was better regulated, he wouldn't have slapped the shit out of his wife. And that's exactly what I was about to say. Dana White is a dangerous man.

Not just because he slapped the shit publicly out of his wife, publicly, and moved on as if it was nothing. But also because of this rhetoric, you use the word obsolete, he feels that young men are disconnected from traditional ideas of purpose and identity. The key word being traditional. It's 2026. In this entire clip, at least, that we listen to, women are nowhere in the picture.

He talks about how men are supposed to be looked at by their children, by other society, how they're supposed to provide, as if women are not allowed and are not capable of doing these things. That's the society he wants to live in, and maybe he does in his bubble, where he literally puts his hands on his wife. But the reason that men feel so disconnected is because men feel more than just the monolith that he wants to make men be. Men feel more than what they were traditionally, and they always have, but what they were traditionally told they had to be and how they had to exist in this society. And it's the fact that there is this conflict of they're not allowed or they're told that they can't express themselves in that way that has them feeling

so disconnected. And maybe if the Dana White's of the world would shut up and we would welcome a place where you can be vulnerable and that masculinity isn't defined in one way, just like femininity isn't just defined in one way, then we could all be a better society where we know how to function better, our mental health is better, and we understand each other better. He is a dangerous man.

Yeah. Well, I don't even know how to really... Strength... You have to be strong enough to confront your demons. You have to be strong enough and brave enough to confront your demons. Like it's, you know.

Strength is not just physical. Well, no. I'm talking about like, I don't even know. It's funny. It's really funny to me that we would still be having this conversation. After everything we've seen, after everything that we know, after everything that we've gone through, it's just funny to me. We're always going to be here. There's not a way out.

Like this, there's, but you know what, though? I see it everywhere, though. Like, I'll be real with you. Like, when we have conversations about the male loneliness epidemic, I continuously come on here and go, hey, you know, a lot of lonely guys walking around not knowing what they're supposed to do, I don't think it's okay to kick them in their ass and go, man, should be lonely.

I think we should probably talk about that, right? Because when they snap, they hurt everybody. No, there's no quarter anywhere. I'm not going to act like I've, in this conversation that I've been trying to talk about, that it's just the Dana White's that haven't given us any quarter. there's been no quarter given anywhere There's been no quarter given to anybody No one says you're so terrible

Maybe you should go through stuff I get it that y'all feel that way I understand that that's a thing But what I'm saying is when you're looking around There's so many different groups of people going Suck it the fuck up I'm like fuck it And now like this is the owner of the UFC

Saying suck it the fuck up This benchmark for masculinity Guys go I need to suck it the fuck up There are other people that are going I don't know how I talk about this and how I discuss this without centering myself, is there anywhere that we can have a conversation about this and really discuss it and get to the middle of it?

And there's not. There's not. Like, like men have created their dungeon and they created it. They created it. They created the dungeon. Patriarchy is a dungeon. Yeah, this is the consequence of patriarchy.

This is part of the consequence of patriarchy. And it's not that it's okay. and we should talk about it. And again, I don't need to talk about something we've already talked about, like, giving the space and allowing people to be vulnerable. You shouldn't, in this particular situation, be like, shut the fuck up. It should be like, why do you feel this way?

How do you feel? Like, you should leave space for that. But in the same way, as we're talking about Tucker Carlson, and there is a need to protect your whiteness because you feel that the world is becoming, becoming majority minority and you have a fear of the white replacement theory and we're seeing you use the Supreme Court and Congress to create policy and legislation and laws to protect your whiteness and to keep that in place because of the fear of losing it. That's the same message

that Dana White is giving and trying to protect what he feels like a certain man should be, how a man should be in society and he is trying to protect that notion and he is putting out very harmful, dangerous rhetoric to keep that going. Yeah. Look, I give all the credit in the world to the people who care about our boys. And because it's just somebody's got to do it. And there are people that care. Yeah.

There are people. And I'm not going to care anymore who doesn't care. There you go. There you go. I'm not going to care anymore who doesn't care. Just leave me alone when y'all should be popular. enough. I don't want it. I'm just joking. I'm playing. TMZ just dropped footage of

Diana Rossini and Mike Vrabble boarding a boat together in 2021. She was pregnant. Yes, I've seen the headline. Your thoughts? I have none. It seems like, doesn't it seem like, though? I'm not doing the speculation here. It just

don't look good. It don't look good. What are we speculating about? It does not look good. You're not going to get me there. What are we speculating about? I think we need to, those people, and they are both married, they have spouses, they need to figure that out away from the headlines. That don't look good.

But at this point, I mean, they're... Yes, you can take context clues and put some things together. It just doesn't look good. You'll say it. Why are you going to make me say it? Jay, what are your thoughts? Because that's your girl. I know her, but I just...

I'm just... I'm just joking. Jay, what do you think about this? It doesn't look good. It's giving... I mean, one headline, okay. It's a picture

It's okay Two The implication What can you say? The implication is that What Van wants us to say And what he is Speculating

and what a lot of people are Is who is the father of the child I never That's not true Okay well then what did you want I don't know anything about that baby's father Or anything like that I swear to God that's not

And I'm thinking is that this is a, this seems to have been a long term, long time entanglement slash relationship. We knew that two weeks ago when we saw them kissing in a bar. So why are you telling me what is this video show? Oh, no. She's pregnant two months, like it's two months before she's about to give birth. That, we already knew. This was in 2021? Yeah.

This was in 2020. We already knew that she hit, there was a kissing video before then. But I think, though, that people are getting to an understanding of. The depth of this relationship, the understanding of the depth of the relationship. I'll say this, like, understanding. Like, what's the difference of this? We covered the shit out of August Alcena and Jada and Will. Like, what's the difference here?

Like, what's the difference? Like, why this is. The difference is that they admitted it. Okay. They, I mean, Jada was like, we had an entanglement. They admitted it after they were. They admitted it after all the. came out and said it.

Well, they admitted it after the, basically the, the, but the story was, these people got caught. Somebody hired a private investigator to follow these people and they denied it. Neither one of them have flat out said, hey, we've been having an affair for this amount of time. August Alcina came out and it was like,

listen, I've been having an affair with Jada Pinkett. Yeah, I think that there's... And then she came out. So it was a different approach. I think that there's no difference because I think that, as a matter of fact, in a lot of ways, in that situation,

there were these gigantic blowups, right? There was the will thing. And then eventually, and what you're talking about has kind of happened. They've kind of, at least from Rabel's perspective, he kind of came out and said, I've made decisions and I've done things that I'm not proud of, they're bad at my family.

He's essentially admitted it. Now, what is continuing to happen is every single person that has video footage of them together knows that they have something that's valuable to TMZ. And do you know why that's happening? Because they are not coming out outright with it. With August, like Jada sat down, they talked about the timeline, how it happened.

There was no need for speculation or assumption because they were telling you what was going down. With this, it's like, well, I need to take time to be with my family. I've made some mistakes. Okay, well, what's the mistake? Was it a one-time thing? Was it multiple times? Did it go on for years?

Did it like, people are trying to fill in the gaps, which is why I think you're keeping, you're continuing to see videos and stories and like what you just dropped this video of them on a boat. Like I just think they are married, they have families, they need to figure that stuff out. So what I would- Clearly we're having an affair.

Look, what I would say is, you know, you're almost answering my question and saying the difference in the August, really, this is what I believe. The reason why we covered the August-A-Lisina-Will, thing and all of that stuff. Wasn't because everybody was because it was some mess involved people that we thought were married. And she was with an R&B singer who was living up there with the family and they was having sex and all of that. People go, whoa, that's a lifestyle that we're not

familiar with. This is Will and Jada, two the most famous people in the world. And people wanted to know what's fucking's going on. You add that plus the shit that happens at the Oscars, plus all of his other stuff, that's going to be a celebrity story that's going to have some legs. With this situation right now, you have two people that were seen together like, is it an affair? Is it not a fair? And it turns out that this is not an affair. Diana Rusini and Mike Vrable did not have an affair. This is not an affair. They are in love.

These two people, for whatever reason, are in love and have been in love for a long time. I wasn't thinking anything about the paternity of this child. What I am thinking about this is think about the amount of affinity and love you have to have for somebody. on both sides of this. Right. Now, men cheat when their wives are pregnant all the time. They cheat when their wives are pregnant all the time. I'm not making a specific indictment of Diana Rusini here because of that.

But she is pregnant here. If, in fact, this is something romantic, which it probably is, she is pregnant here and he is there. Men cheating on their wives when they're pregnant is one thing. men going to be with a woman that is pregnant for another guy, I don't know that I've ever known someone who has done that. And I know the dregs of humanity. I know the worst or the worst niggas, the niggas that have done it.

I don't know that I've known or been in the conversation with one of my homeboys to where he's been like, yeah, man, she's six-month president. I'm still going over there, though. Normally, you let that little motherfucker cook. And then when it pops out, maybe you keep, you get back on the, on the train. But this is a situation to where he must see her. He has to see her.

I wasn't actually thinking of the paternity thing. That's why people are speculating that because that and the baby's name is Michael. And that's why people are now speculating that. And that's why I'm like, we got to let them do their own thing. That's a lot. That is a lot But you know I will say this though Very common name though

Man oh man oh man oh man oh man oh man oh man oh man oh man oh man oh man oh man oh man oh man oh man oh man oh man oh man Coach Vrablin the cut At TMZ says that the son was named after her brother not Mike I'm not I don't think that there's any paternity Two children together issues My question is this if you are the dad if you are the dad

if you are the dad do you now want a paternity test I would you would yeah let me take that back I don't have children

so I don't know what I would the reason I immediately said I would is because my curiosity would want to know but if I have established so these kids are almost five and almost four

Well, you'll be able to see it by this point. No, no, no, no. But I guess my point is, is once I have been their father in their life and I've raised them, it would be what the possibility of knowing that they're not could be devastating. So I don't know. I'm not a parent, so I don't know. But as a non-parent, I would, yes, that's my initial answer. But I can't imagine what somebody who's a parent might have to question whether or not a child is theirs or not.

What do you do next if you are Diana Rusini and my child? Brable. Well, together nothing. I mean. Mike's trying to stay, Mike's focused on the season. He's trying to save his job. I don't think he's in jeopardy. I think he's trying to save his marriage. Well, that too. Yeah. Well, that too. I mean, yes,

obviously, that too. His marriage, his job, all of that. And balancing the two, right? How do I focus on the team, but also show my my wife that I'm focused on her? Because obviously all trust is broken. And I think the same thing goes with Diana. I mean, she lost her job in all of this, but, you know, you have two children, you have a husband, and it's about repairing the family unit if that's what you guys want to do.

It's also like, that's why I'm like, okay, we knew, once the affair happened, we talked about it and we reported it. Like, now it's like, ugh. Now it's like what? It's like, it's too gossipy for me. The speculation around like the paternity and all that, that people are doing all that. I'm saying that's why I thought you said that because that's what that is what people are talking about. Yeah, I don't have any.

And to your point when you're like, I've never seen this before. And it's like, well, that's why people are saying that. No, I've never seen that before. And I'm just being honest. I'm sure some niggas going to be like, hey, man, my man went out.

I've never seen that before. I haven't either. And all of that. Like, if this is in fact, because you would think that like in this situation, they're going to go on the boat and they're chilling if there's a situation. that, you know,

Bernard, we're being serious, bro. Hold on, like, hold on for a second. Hold on for a second. We're being serious, bro. Jay, don't laugh. You would think that if this is a romantic, Tristan, at some point, there's going to be some romance, you know? And.

That's a long, this is a long time. What? Five, six years. Yeah, but I mean, that happens. No, I'm not saying it doesn't. It's just a long time. It is. But this is.

that's interesting. Let's move on. Don't you have a little something for the people? I got a list for the people. Okay. Whatever happens to her should happen to happen to him. I'm saying.

Okay. I don't think nobody should lose their job over no shit like this, but if somebody lose their job, everybody got to lose their job. Well, and it's like nobody's having the conversation of whether or not this speaks to men getting hired and it's just

Man's getting hired with what? Well, with what we were talking about with L, the conversation then becomes does this make it harder for women? We don't have those conversations with Mike Rable or men in these type of situations. But keep going, go ahead, get to your list.

We've talked about Dick Ryden before, but there's certain cults of Dick Rodin that are overtaking everything. These are the top five Dickriding cults in the world. Cults. Cults. Top five cults.

Top five cult of dick riders that exist. Now some people just missed the list. There's a van lay 10, but I'm not going to go through all 10. I'm doing top five and tell you who just missed the cut. Rap hives,

y'all starting to become all dick riders. Don't matter the hive. Okay? All of the hives are becoming dick riders. All of them. All of them. Don't matter if I like the rapper, if I love the rapper,

all of these hives is going too far. It's going too far. It's ruining hip-hop. Looks maxers. The people that have created, the clavaker people. Clavlicker. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Going too crazy. We haven't talked about that yet. Star Wars fans. Oh. Yeah. Why are they? Why? What's happened?

Is there a new movie? Is there something coming out? Is there like, where did this come from? All of these hives that I'm talking about are so dick-rodden that they threaten to ruin the very thing that they are dick-riding. Oh, no. I'm afraid of some of them.

Star Wars hives. Out of here. Okay. Last one. Centrous Democrats. Didn't quite make the top five, but they're in there. Oh, these are honorable mentions.

These are honorable mentions. Oh, okay, okay, okay. Centrous Democrats. Getting to that point with them. Getting to that point with them to me where I'm starting to have conversations with people and I'm like talking to them. I'm like, are you listening to what I'm saying? Like, you can't sell me on Hakeem Jeffries right now.

It's very tough. Right? It's tough to do the Chuck Schumer shit right now. Like, we can't even talk about it? I will say about the centrist Democrats is, they're like the they're like the Hari Krishna's like they're a cult but

you're like oh they don't bother me they're kind of you know I like them you know they're not a but it's starting now it's becoming a problem starting to it's this is how stupid I was I didn't realize that there was this much

cult like thought that existed in the center of the Democratic Party because the reality is that These are the people that are for voting rights. These are the people that are for certain things. But as things get a little bit more complicated, I see them holding on a lot harder to a lot of ideas that just don't work anymore. And I'm wondering if any of this stuff was about like legitimate actual thought and making people's lives better or if it was about holding on the power. Well, it is about holding on a power.

And it's about keeping the establishment so they can keep their power. in it and not either it break down or let people in it that are going to change it. So the establishment, yeah, it's the cult, the Democratic centrist. But they did not make the top five.

All right, well, let's get to it. Let's get to it. Number five, run club people. Everybody's in a run club. You sound like a hater. Everything in your life can I get through my list, please? Everything in your life cannot be about one thing. Can't eat to run, sleep to run, music to run, fuck to run.

need balance. Run club people is going too much. I see it everywhere. Like everybody, everything is about run, run, run, run, run, run. I've run a lot of stuff. A lot of times. You just run all around. Run and miles and miles and miles and miles. I got a night you run club at, but the run club shit is going too hard. It's nothing to do with hating. Okay. This is my list. It's my observation. Run club shit going too far. They just edge out the century's Democrats. Okay. Number four, crypto bros. You guys are saying that this currency is going to save the world, but no one can explain to me how. Yeah. Agreed. Like, no. No one can explain how it's going to save the world.

No one knows. I just listen to the crypto bros over and over and over and over and over. It just goes up, it goes down. People lose all their money, whatever. Crypto bros can't tell me how. What happened to the NFTs? What are they at? You guys told me, get an NFT.

It's going to be 2019, 2020, 2020, 2021. They did. They did. They did an FAT. Put all the money in the NFT. But money and the FD., they're gone. So all of this stuff, somebody, no one can explain how they're going to save the world.

I don't know what's going on. Number three, Niccolo Yokic Stans. people that love Nicola Yokish. Now, I'm at the Ringer, which is the very tip of the penis for this group. Now, people keep telling me that Nicola Yokic, is a basketball player, is Magic Johnson mixed with Larry Bird, mixed with Shaq, mixed with Tiger Woods, mixed with Babe Ruth, mixed with Michael Jackson,

mixed with Spielberg, mixed with McDonald's fries in 1995, mixed with the Pam and Tommy sex tape. But really, he's just Aaron Rogers. That's who he is. And that's okay. That's like him being Aaron Rogers is fucking cool. That's fine. But we really have to have a,

conversation now about how far down the road that these Nicola Yolokic stands are going. He's Aaron Rogers. He's a guy that peeled off one championship and a bunch of MVP's that we like to watch. Done. That's okay. Okay? That's fine. That's actually awesome.

But that's all. Grow up. All right. Number two. Joe Rogan comedians. In many ways, this is the saddest group. The Joe Rogan comedian. Medians Fear is the biggest group of cuck whores in the world.

Named some of them. So I knew you were going to do that. I watch Joe Rogan sometimes because you don't want to, like, this podcast for me is for the people. This podcast for Rachel is about getting at me. I knew she would do that. I have it in there. Watch Rachel say that. I'm curious.

And the show is, I have that in there. Like, it's easy. Well, some people don't know who's all a part of it. I have to come up with the list and do the list. It's easy to just snipe. No, some people may not know. So to me, it's like, legitimately like, watching. me have a conversation with my dad

when I was like 20 or 21. Because it's like when every other episode of Joe Rogan, when the Joe Rogan comedians aren't on there, it's actually okay, right? Rogan's kind of good, whatever. But when the guys are on there, it's legitimately like when I would be talking to my father. Because at that age

at 20 or 21 when I would talk to my dad, I had all of these thoughts and all of these ideas that were my own by then, because I had lived enough of the world. But I was still two dependent on him to really drop my nuts on them like talking about. So by that point, I could look at my dad and be like, hey, you're wrong about that and really know it.

But I still needed him too much to like get away from him. And watching grown men being that dynamic, watching grown men being a dynamic when they're sitting there with somebody and they fucking know better than what he would fucking say, but they still won't do anything about it because they're a little too dependent on him and being in his or orbit is fucking sad. It's like sad at this point.

And there are a couple, the episodes are way better when it's just fucking Joe talking to some fucking guy who thinks that the stars are actually fucking Mike and Ike. Or like I watched a whole episode of, I told you about this, about a guy that's an archaeologist, argue with a guy that made the ancient archaeology, ancient aliens documentary on Netflix. four hours of it I watched riveting but whenever one of these guys these comedians mothership guys comes on the fucking show

is terrible because they know that Joe is full of shit but they won't say it because they can't say that their dad is full of shit and these are grown-ass fucking men and the last thing I'll say about that is the issues that are

being discussed aren't issues like who's the fucking hottest chick or who's cool in comedy they fucking talk about the Epstein files. They fucking talking about like foreign wars. They're talking about the tax code and all of that type of shit, right? That's the type of

shit that they're talking about and they can't get over it. It's weird. It's weird. They should have been number one, but there's a clear number one. The number one, ironclad, 24-carat gold, diamond cult, maybe the best cult that's ever lived. I'm talking about a cult that might be better than Jonestown,

better than Nexium, better than the motherfuckers that were all wearing the Nike shoes, that thought the fucking comet was going to take them to heaven. Better than the fucking guy with the fucking people in Oregon, better than any other cold is MAGA. That is the number one big swinging dick of dick riding cults that has ever existed. It is the greatest cult in American history by far.

30% of your friends and neighbors that just won't admit it's not going well. It's going badly and they know it. They're in the F-150 spending $500,000. a week on gas going to visit their sons on base who are about to be deployed and they won't say no they can't say no they can't get off the teat or the tip and it is starting to fascinate me it does not matter it doesn't matter there's nothing we can do it's nothing you can do nothing you can do there's nothing you can do they won't it won't it won't it doesn't trump trump comes out trump goes no wars

goes to war trump goes we're going to get the uranium We don't get the uranium. No uranium. No uranium. Doesn't get anything. Trump says the goal is to open the straight. The straight was already open. The straight was already open.

It was open. You closed it. And now you're going to do something and get credit for opening it back up. And everybody goes, he cares about opening the straight. Bitch, he closed the straight. He did like, there's nothing that can be. With what's happened this year, there is nothing that can be done. I am fascinated.

There was something that came out just today to where 30% of MAGA thinks that Trump could beat them in a fight. Trump is 80 years old, grotesquely obese, right? Well, you have to think your leader's godlike. I'm just saying, man, I will give the Senate Democrats credit for this. If I would have asked last year, two years ago, if I would have asked like Roland Martin whether or not he thought Joe Biden could beat him up, Roller would have been like, I fucked your Biden. You know what I'm saying? If I'd ask, like, if I'd have asked these people, they're not that.

That's the thing. That's, they are not that. That's why they didn't make your top five. That's why they didn't make the top five. They are not that. But God damn, this is now getting to a point to where even me, someone that, like, revels in this, that loves this, this is truly, truly remarkable.

Yeah. Greatest cult in the history of the world. It's a good list. And I loved it. It's a good list. I thought you were going to put the cowboys on there as like cowboy fans on your honorable mention. They're irrelevant. It's a problem.

Ooh, I set myself up for that one, I guess. I mean, all of these things are relevant. Run clubs, stuff people like that, crypto, nickel of your piece. What is the beef with the run club? I got stuff like that. What is the beef with run clubs? There's no beef with them. I feel like I don't see enough of them.

I only know of a couple here. They'd be running around. Like, is it because while you're, walking, you see them running past you? It's so funny. Everything becomes a distorts me. No, I'm trying to understand. It's like, no, I have run a lot.

I run a lot, right? That's not it. The run club shit is just becoming a thing. It's a cult that I see developing. See, I'm trying to understand. You think it's a, it's a, I swear to God I'm not trying to do a dig. I'm trying to understand because you're like, I go, I don't see them. You go, I see them.

And I thought, oh, maybe he sees them because he walks a lot. Like you walk a lot. You talked about the Grove. You talked about being by Santa Monica, all the walking you did. You got funky in the process of it. You haven't been that stanking years. I thought, well, maybe because he's out and about so much, that's why he sees the run club.

And maybe he feels a certain way because he's not running. And then I thought, let me ask. You know what? Let me not assume. Let me ask. So this is what's going to start happening. June, this is, see? See?

See? June is get a month. June is get a month. at Rage Month. So let me tell you out. And by the way, June is Get At Rage Month. Every episode.

And all you fucking, all you fucking fucks out there in Thought Warrior Land, all you fucking guys, I'm talking to you guys, right? I'm talking to you guys. You guys better keep the same energy. June is get at Rage Month.

Try to do a nice segment. Okay, Data White. June is Get At Rage Month. And I want to hear, see y'all back there laughing, I want the same fucking energy when I'm just sitting back sniping. I'm gonna let Rage come up

with some of this shit. Because you do nothing. Rates, you come up with some you come up with some of this shit. And then I'm a-race, just come up with a segment of your own. Come up with, bring something and this is why I'm gonna sit back and just fucking, I'm gonna sit back and just poke holes in it. You do that every time we have a back and forth.

No, I don't. This is why people say you're a contrarian. No, people say I'm a contrarian. That's why people say I'm a contrarian. because I don't like literally this is your podcast I don't agree with them like legitimately

a lot of times people agree with you on the contrarian thing I don't agree with y'all like I'm oh you don't think you're a contrarian is what you're saying no no no no I'm not a contrarian like I truly like

people think that I'm being a contrarian on things like I truly don't agree with you guys like I truly like we were talking about the yeah I don't think you say stuff for just the sake well give me an example of something

you feel like I'm being a contrarian on Let me example. I'll take this into the announcement. I got to think. I got to go back. Maybe that'll be my list. That'll be my list. That's your list.

Good. Thank you. Please. Your own list. That's just you created that segment. Okay? If you're a segment, you create something for me. I'm not supposed to have created a list, but I will create list.

That's your thing. I will create a list of your top, your top five control. Contrarian moments. How about that? Top five contrarian moments. Okay, cool. I'm into this. Or times I believed you were a contrarian.

Like the contrarian thing last week was about, what were we talking about earlier this week? The Scott thing. I don't really think you were being a contrarian with that. How many times have I said that? I don't think you were being a contrarian. How many times have I said that? You don't have to go into the thing about arguing.

I don't believe you are being a contrarian. Like, you truly believe what you said and you've said it multiple times. Yeah, I don't understand this. It's like, I don't understand this. It's like, I don't. I think they're thinking of other things and then they're just like coupling it together. And they'll be able to continue to do that with my list. Yeah.

Come up with a list of times you think I was just being a contrarian and then after your list, give it up to Rach for all of that. After your list, I'll tell you guys why. I just don't agree with you guys. A lot of you guys out there, I'm listening to y'all, I'm hearing y'all. I just don't agree. Okay. Fuck it.

And also, my brain has worked. I argued on TV for a living for like nine years. Then also, so so people know, got fired because of an on-air argument. So when you guys think about stuff like that, when you guys consider things, think about the fact that was fired for an on-air argument, was fired for an argument like that. So when I didn't give a fuck about being fired, but like when that situation happens, I'm not going to be somebody that thinks, hey, you lost your temper on TV,

you should lose your job. Like, I just, that's not a thing. I argued too for seven years. On what? As a litigator. So what, did you say you didn't go to court that much though? You don't go to court that much, but you still have depositions. You still have to argue in motions.

You have to argue when you write. You have to like, you have hearings on your motion. So you argue it through written arguments? Well, for the motion, but then you set a hearing. Oh, okay. Or the judge was that's hearing. So you argue in court, like, the deposition you argue, because you're arguing with, like, the other counsels.

You don't really argue, but you have to object, and sometimes that can turn into it. It shouldn't. But sometimes you have to object. So, like, what they're saying, because you have to create the record. But it can be an argument. Right.

But, like, every day you're going against someone. Like, you're trying to figure out how to either represent your client, defend your client. Yeah. Interesting. I never, I thought. Unless you're a contract attorney, I was, I did litigation, so it was different. So I thought the arguing, I thought the arguing was, was, I thought the arguing was, was, I thought the argument was more so in court.

But you argue everywhere. Okay. Cool. Yeah. Are you? So like, then give me, so deposition, Rach, let's do, before we leave, let's do a quick deposition. Like, ask me a question. Try to depose me on something.

I'll be like, just ask me a question about something. Okay. Okay. Okay. This is funny. I'm trying to think of what the subject matter is. Okay, we'll stick to the subject. I'm on trial. What are some of your extracurricular activities?

Me? Oh, wow. I have a lot. I like to box. Okay. I like to walk. And I don't walk where a lot of people are running. I walk through the neighborhood, by the way. I like to walk. Okay. I like to play video games right now in June in a one. 162 game baseball schedule in MLB the show. I like to write. Okay, I like to watch all different types of movies. I won't be judged for any of the films that I do watch. There's a lot of different things that I like to do.

I'm a man of many hobbies. I like to play pool. I am the 1999 intramural pool champion of Louisiana Tech University. I like to play basketball. There's a lot of stuff I like to do. Wow. Okay, walk. You like to walk in neighborhoods.

To walk in neighborhoods. Very special. Do you walk at night? Sometimes. Do you walk in the morning? Sometimes. What's your favorite time of day to walk? It depends on the weather.

Okay? Like this morning I got up and I walked early, but last night I walked late. So there's different times I walk. Also depends on who's available for conversation because I like to have a conversation while I walk or listen to something. If there's a new podcast, I might listen to it in the morning. If I'm talking to my man Ryan, I might go around and walk around the neighborhood. So we talk about basketball. Very special.

Did you walk yesterday? I did. What time? Six o'clock. Yeah. Okay. So, fine, whatever. This is deposition.

If you were my client, I would tell you to cut all that shit out. You'd be, you'd be, if I was on the other side, you'd be a dream. Because you'd talk too much. Right. If you were my client, you have to be quick. If I tell you what time of day it is, you say, I don't know. I don't recall. Lies.

That's what you need to say. Lies. Because, like, it's too specific. Lies. You think you do it. It's so specific. Lies. Lies.

I don't really recall. But the reaction. is I do recall because I know the conversation that I was on the phone with, I know when that when I was made and when I was doing this, I do recall. You would be- I do recall. And then I would say, well, do you remember the call? The day, do you remember what time the day before?

Do you remember time with this? Like you, like, I would just be, you talk so much. I'm like, we're making this up. I don't even know what the case is, but we're making this up. I just use walking because we were talking about that before. You talk so much that like when it's your client, you tell them to keep it tight. Right. Right.

you're creating a record. But you also asked me so many, you asked me so many questions that follow-ups. You asked me, I said, do you have hobbies? I said, yes. So what are your hobbies? I'm like, I got a lot of hobbies. But I would keep it tight.

I would say, if you were my client. If you were my client, I would say, do you have a lot of hobbies? Yes. You make the attorney do the, on the other side do the work. What are your hobbies? Well, I have a lot of them. Okay, well, what are your hobbies on the week?

Like, you make the attorney do the work and you keep it tight as, as the person who's being examined. I thought they were interesting questions, to be honest with you. And this is why you would be a dream for the other side of the attorney. Keep it tight. Yeah, but I mean, you know what?

Fuck depositions. Like, we is, I want to talk to people and I have thoughts. All right, so everybody out there, everybody was like, oh, Vans being a contrarian all of that stuff. You guys just telling you, this is dangerous to something else.

I'll be honest. The last thing I'll say about this. You guys, if you want your society back, if you want some semblance of normalcy, I'm being serious now, you're going to have to fight for it. They are not going to just go away.

They're not. They're not going to go away. Now, the stuff that happens on CNN and Abby's show and all of that stuff, a lot of that stuff is political theater. I'm not saying that that's going to make a difference in anything. But what I am saying is that I bet you, if I hit Adam Mockler, who I want to come on this show,

and ask him if he thinks that Scott should be fired, he would have said no. And the reason why I think that he would say no is because he understands that that helps launch his voice and those are the voices that we are going to need to be able to make the points. You are not going to be able to quiet and censorship and dictate and cherry pick your opponent in this fight.

You're going to have to go out and fight for it. And everybody has different jobs. But like, I just don't believe in that. Well, we agree to disagree with that. I didn't like to. I believe in the voices. I don't believe in his voice anymore. And that was my point.

Yeah. I mean, there's just going to be another guy that comes up. And then you want him fired. Fire everybody. Fire me. No. I mean, I didn't do what they said I did. No.

But the same thing. Very sudden, you would have wanted me fired. Fire him. Get them off the goddamn thing. Fuck him. Yet I work with you now. Yeah. Reminds me a moment.

My time is coming. That's what you just tried to do in the deposition. It wasn't fair. You asked me all of those. Great, amazing questions, and then you came to me after and said I was too wordy in my answers. Yeah. If I was coaching you, I would have said, tighten it up. It'd be tough.

It'd be real tough. You'd be old girl on the witness stand. Which one? Well, you know, I was, you just be telling all too much information. Just saying too much information, it'd be like, oh. I could prep you and you would still just be like, you know, do you remember? You know, I love Fresh Prince. Do you remember the Fresh Prince episode?

And then we're really going to go. Where they're doing the game show episode. and it's Carlton versus Carlton and I don't know who else and versus Will and his best friend. And Carlton knows all the answers. He goes the rain and Spain falls in the waping and goes, boom, the planes. It falls in the plains. That is one of my favorite ones.

Yeah. They're all the team together. And it's their friend or whatever. But Carlton just can't say the answer. He's got to let everybody know how he came to the. answer and why that's the answer. That would be you. I'm a podcaster.

And let me tell you why. Let's go. Take thing caps off, but do not stop learning. Haters. I'm Rachel Lernernery. Goodbye.