Higher Learning with Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay - Thankful to Have Jonathan Majors on the Podcast

Episode Date: November 25, 2022

Van and Rachel welcome actor and fellow Texan Jonathan Majors to the podcast to discuss growing up in Rachel’s hometown (2:04), his new film, ‘Devotion,’ and the true story behind it (17:51), plus why he doesn’t watch any of his own movies (27:32). Hosts: Van Lathan Jr. and Rachel Lindsay Guest: Jonathan Majors Producer: Donnie Beacham Jr. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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You guys, we were lucky enough to have a fantastic interview with Jonathan Majors who stars in a new movie called Devotion that is hitting and screen pretty soon. But look, he's doing so much stuff. He's got devotion. He's playing Kang in the MCU. He's got Creed 3 coming up.

The guy's just everywhere. One of the fastest rising stars in Hollywood. And we got him on higher learning, man. It was fantastic. Dallas is on. Dallas is on. Dallas is on. D.F. Dubs.

D.F. D. D.F. Dubs for... And what? A thought warrior. A thought warrior. A thought warrior loves the podcast. Yeah. Which means we love him. Jonathan Majors on Higher Learning up next.

So you guys, Hi, I'm here. This is a gigantic, this is a gigantic podcast we're on right now. It is, man. We got a brother right now who is not, keep doing your thing, man. You deserve it.

Just eat the rice cake. We eat the rice cake. We eat on the podcast all the time. We have a brother that is just over the last four or five years. has just exploded onto the scene. He's been working for a lot longer than that, but he has acted his way into our hearts and onto the A-list. Jonathan Majors joins us today on higher learning.

Now, I have a question about y'all hood. Yeah. Okay. So you grew up in Dallas, right? Grew in Dallas. You grew up in Dallas. Now, Rachel's from the, y'all from the same place. How could it be one hood with that many zip codes, though?

It's Texas, baby. How do we get down? I'm saying, isn't that kind of more like its own town? I mean, that's like, that's nine zip codes and one hood, but. I'll say it's like, what is it? It's Oak Cliff, well, it's South Dallas. South Dallas. Right? O'Cliff, that's like a, it's just a spot.

Yeah. It's huge. There's parts of the solo where you'd be like, parts of Duncanville, you'd be like, Cedar Hill, kind of, you know, but Oak Cliff is Oak Cliff. Yeah. What was it like growing up in Oak Cliff? Let me be clear. My stepdaddy lived in Oak Cliff, off Keys.

I got to keep out of a few schools. So I went to Duncanville. And I went to Cedar Hill first. Got to keep that in the Cedar Hill with Duncanville. It then lives with my stepdaddy off Keith Boulevard. He's crazy as, can you curse him? Yes, she can. I heard you.

You can't. I've heard you. I've heard you. Yeah, right off, yeah, right off Keith Boulevard. It's the bomb, bro. I mean, honestly, when I was there, and we can be honest, it's tough. You know what I mean? Right now they got, like, coffee shops and all types of stuff.

Yeah. We got hit. It got gentrified. You know, O'Cliff, Cedar Hill, Duncanville, Midlothian, all of it. Yeah, you talk to people now when they talk about the O'Cliff. They're like, oh, my God, I love O'Cliff. They have the best coffee shop. Great, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Art shops, great little vintage. That's not necessarily how it was. Now, to be fair, I did go to Pride. at school, so I always have to say that. Okay. Okay. We was just there doing hip hop homicides. I must have been in the fucked up part.

It's big. Yeah, because we, because we cover Mo Three's death on hip hop homicide. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so we had to go down to Oak Cliff. And it was still going down parts of Old Cliff. You must have been in it. Yeah. I mean, all keys are still crazy.

Right. Off by the bazaar. We live off keys. Yeah. By Big Tee? Did you go to Big T? you're talking about. If you get close to Winfields, which is a burger joint.

Did you go to Rudy's? Rudy's chicken! Woo! It's so nice to have. It's so nice to have to buy for home. Let me tell you. Yeah, I had your back. I was like, okay, maybe not Mexican food, but food in general, we, I mean, yeah.

We got Williams chicken, which is like. I see, I live, we live by William's chicken. You think the food is better in Dallas than in L.A.? Oh. It's tough. It's different. It's different. It's different.

It's different. It's different. I would say, well, we have. have a clear culture though. There's a clear culture in... That's pretty true. In Dallas. Yeah.

So it's like, we only got about three types of food. And all three those are hitting. Yeah. Now, if you say, who got the best Italian, we mean, it's a different... That's not in our lexicon. We don't really do that. Right.

You know, who got the best fried chicken, barbecue, burgers, stuff like that. What do you miss the most about Dallas? Probably my mama. But, uh, I like driving in Dallas. I do too. I like driving in Dallas.

I think it's cool. We got the building with all the green dots on it. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. That's cool. It's a cool little skyline. You know, like, L.A. It ain't New York, but it's like, it's home.

So, I mean, I'm extremely biased, you know. I was born in California. Lompont. Yes, sir. Lompoc. Yeah, out by Vanderbanks Military Base. Santa Barbara's beautiful, but I just don't, you just think it's stick.

You know, all my folks are. from, I mean, you talk about Oak Cliff, I'm talking about Waco, Riesel, Colleen, you know, like, that's, we call that down home, you know, so that's where we're from. But then, Oak Cliff. When you get to Yale, when you come from any of those places and you get to Yale, is there a culture shock when you're going there? Because classically trained, actore, you know what you want to do. You go to Yale later on in life. Like, how does that affect you? Like, what was it like when you got on campus there? Well, that was deep because before Yale, I went to North Carolina School of the Arts, which is an arts conservatory. And so Yale is essentially an arts conservatory for grownups. So the first culture shock would have happened there. Right.

I mean, and I remember talking about, you know, down home, Bucathee Washington, my first love, my first girlfriend was a dancer. And she went to Buketheed, Washington. And they had just, you know, that's where Erica Badoo went. That's where North Jones went. Shaheen. My ex was an actor at Bucatee Washington. Okay, okay. Okay.

I like it. She went there, and I really wanted to audition and get in, and I went to visit. And that's where I had the biggest culture shock where I was like, yo, I don't even know about this. You know what? These were like, artist capital A, you know what I mean? Like, in no disrespect. But I was like, again, I got kicked out of schools. I was fighting.

I was shot. I was in it. You know what I mean? And playing sports still. And so when I got there, it was, that was a culture shock. I was like, this ain't going to work for me. What's just getting kicked out of school for? You know?

fights. You know what? fights, you know, I was peculiar in a way, you know what I mean? You know, and they would come for me, or I would feel like they would come for me, and, you know, it was tough, you know. It was rigged, bro.

You know, it was rigged. It was rigged, and I was sensitive to it. But that was a big culture shock, and then when you get to North Carolina of school, you arts, it's another thing, because that's, you know, arts conservatory, you know. They're trying to change how you talk,

essentially, everybody from all over the world. That was, that was wild. But the art was kind of the thing that always kind of pushed me through. I was like, I don't really care. I mean, I kind of always had that attitude, which is why I kept getting like kicked out of school. I was like, I don't, I'm not really worried about y'all. You know what I mean?

And I've always kind of kept to myself. It's probably not the best thing, you know, but Long Wolf kind of shit, you know? And also when I got the year, my daughter was three months old. So I wasn't going there to play. Right. I mean, I wasn't going here to, like, figure it out.

You know, I was like, this is. this is it, you know, and this got to work. So, uh, wouldn't have time to be shocked. You know what I mean? It was like, get to the business. Bring the panic. Yeah. Let's go.

You know what I mean? Can I ask you, where did your love of acting come from? Like, how did you know that that's what you always want to do? Uh, my mama is a pastor. We had a lot of pastors in my family. And, um, I played a lot of sports. And I just really liked, I really like the coaches. Yeah, you know, like I was something like you called up in the speeches the coaches were doing.

And also I read a lot You know, of course you do as a church boy You know, memorize some verses Seen them songs You know, expression is a big part of You know, black culture Especially southern black culture You know, we are old raiders

You know, in a way And so I listen to my granddaddy talk And I just like that, you know It's funny because it's not like Oh, I saw this film, and was like, oh man, I want to do that It was like we weren't watching movies You know what I mean, we were going to church We was reading books

and I was out of getting my ass beat or trying to get back at somebody you know what I mean or running around the farm you know but my imagination is just kind of

with all that bullying and all that you know yeah they had ISS when you used to school yeah in school suspension oh hell yeah

clinic yeah yeah yeah yeah clinic clinic get a clinic clinic yeah yeah so

before I was expelled from a school I would be an ISS for a good period of time. Yeah, yeah. And as you know, in ISS or clinic, you just kind of sit in a portable, you know, and then then you're in a little cubicle by yourself, you know. And you just say with your imagination in these three blank walls in front of you.

And I read, Top Dog, Underdog, you know that play? Of course. Yeah, my boy, my homie, let's be clear, my homie and then my friend, or colleague are doing it right now on Broadway. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, Yahya, who the Yale. He was there for my audition. Great brother.

Congratulations, bro. And then Corey Hawkins, who was at J-Town, which we called J-Town. What y'all called J-Town. Yeah, I don't know if they call it, but we definitely call it that a year. We can digify anything. You know what I'm saying?

Wait, wait, wait, wait, were you, J-Town? J-Town? Yeah, well, that's Julia. Mackey went there. Mackey went there. Yeah, like, a lot of Philly. Y'all go there. J-Town, yeah.

Miles Davis, like all of them. The homies. Yeah. I mean, the homies. But shit, what were we saying? You were talking about Top Dog, Underdog. Oh, yeah. I read Top Dog Underdog, and I'm like, okay, that's kind of cool.

You know, Susan Laurie Parks, Pulitzer Prize running play. And I remember reading that, and I just memorized it. I memorized it in the cubicle and was just working on it. You know what I mean? And then Saturday school, because I was Truent. You know what I mean? That would be truant because I would go to an SMU or I would go to TCU and kind of walk around the campus. and poke in on the theater classes if I could.

And then take my ass back to see the hill like Duffmanville or Daddy's House or whatever. So this was a deep love once you got into it. At what age would you say that you knew that this is what you had to be doing? Probably about 14. Okay. 14. I just got into it. It was kind of like the crossroads.

You know, not to be too earnest about it, but I was in it. You know what I put me in this like. a very clear alternative program you know it was like oh man it was like we gotta figure something out you know and my people I mean they looked after me you know I wouldn't I wouldn't do nothing crazy I just

was doing you know bad shit you know like don't do that you know I think what got me that time was uh it was around Christmas time and I shoplifted from colds all my family's Christmas gifts and uh got busted and yeah man man man and that put me on that put me in this real

alternative type program at the school that in addition to probably some scrape I was in and that was the pause that was like okay yeah figure this out and there's a guy there named Mr. Anderson who no relation to my family though my maternal family is Anderson who was just that he was just that homie you know I mean he was just that man

and you go aw shit like when I grow up you know I mean and he he put he he he reinforced a lot of what my what my uncle who essentially was my dad and my grandfathers are putting in me. And then from that point, I got introduced his name as Lee John, Ms. L.J., and I can go down. You know, Ms. L.J. was the theater teacher. She took me to Mr. Peoples.

Mr. Peoples took me to Mrs. Andrews, who was with Mrs. Rogers, and they took me to Mr. and Mrs. Williams. And these are my acting teachers, you know. And it was the Williams couple that said, you know, you're going to go school for this. And I did TFA, you know, which is Texas Forensians Association. So then I kind of had something to do. You know, my sister was a debater. That's like a thing down home, you know.

You play football, you in forensics. And I was doing that. And they had this thing called Germanic interpretation, which you essentially take a play, and you cut it down in 10 minutes, and you do it by yourself. And I took to that. And it worked, and the Williams couple really pushed me out, you know, with an audition. And, I mean, that's 14-18. That's that run.

Formative, yeah. Yeah. And then at 17, I was, again, got into it. And this time, a domestic, you know, with my stepdad, who I love dearly, he knows that, but it went down. And I was in my car for a long time. So I lived in my car in my final year of, yeah, a little bit. You had to scrape with your stepdad. You had to move out of the house.

Kicked out the house. One of those. You know me one of those. I'm out. I was living in my car and working at a Starbucks. And again, I was, you know, borrowing that. acting books, you know, from the cafe. And I was sitting in the car and read them.

And it was just my solace. And I just kind of stuck with it. Wow. Wow. I'm like, deep in your story. You know what it is, too? I guess I'm picturing every single thing that you're saying. And then just because we're from the same area, I'm like imagining where you were and what

you were doing. Then he said Starbucks. It's like, which Starbucks was he at? Yeah, yeah. You talk about different inspirations. You know, growing up and kind of who led you on the path to school and acting and all of that. I know you've mentioned Denzel Washington as an inspiration for you. What's your favorite Denzel Washington movie and why?

Oh, wow. Oh, wow. Well, let's go with X. Okay. I see Malcolm X. He has to, you get the most Denzel in Malcolm X. You know, you see him as the hustler, you know, you see him do that thing. you see the spiritual elements.

It's very rare. You know, he's such a man of faith. And I believe it's always there. But something about allowing the spirit to come in in the work, you know, and with Islam, you know, when he does that transition, you look at him and he's glowing. You know, he's actually glowing. And I go, oh, wow, that's, you know, in the game, watching it now, you go, yeah, that's actually, that's something different. You know, something different that's happening, you know. Uncle Spike also directed him on it

So I'm working with Spike I know he was pushing them You know they were gaming with each other And building it And he had the oration of X I mean he really just It's very similar to To what we attempted to do in devotion

This latest picture We're talking about that yeah Jesse Brown You hope to disappear into this This individual You know and that's what I saw Dee do That's why there's no more

Malcolm X biopics no one's going to touch it. It's not. It's essentially done. You know, unless they want to make a 3D version and have him, you know what I mean?

Like, it's over. You know, like that is, that is it. You know, you shouldn't touch it. Or one,

shout out to my little brother who one time showed me a picture of Malcolm X and it was Denzel Washington. Yeah. And I was like, okay, I'm glad that you love Denzel,

but let me show you something. This is not, you know what I mean? But that role meant that that much to people. And to be honest with you, like, At that time when they made the movie,

it was hard for Spike it to get, obviously, to get the money for it. And so I remember watching the movie and at the end of the movie, seeing like Jan Jackson, where the ex had on and seeing all these other people because they had helped Spike

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I want to ask you about it because there's so much stuff that you're doing that people are super duper hyped for. I do another podcast on this I know I listen to that too I'm a fan of yours bro I'm being cool right now I appreciate you The River's in whatever

Reader's yeah Yeah yeah So and I heard you talk shit About Black Adam And then I heard you say What you said about Quantumania I'm just telling you

Stay tuned bro Stay tuned I like Black Adam Shout out to Aldous Yeah yeah Shout out to Altax I like Black Adam

Yeah yeah So So So You talked bad about Black Alas On the podcast I didn't talk bad about it the movie was cool, I thought

all this and Dr. Faye were the best parts of black ass. That's what he said. I thought they were the best parts blackout. You said they did Hulkman wrong. Yeah, they did. The Hawkman, they got to my man, Hawkman, went some more fights. I'm going to talk to you, I'm going to talk to you about some fights that you're about to be into some of these movies, too, in the second. I'm not afraid. But this film right here, devotion,

when you look at the kings and you look at the creeds, two things that people are super duper excited for, this movie seems to have an amazing epic. Do you have Glenn Powell in this film who's just coming off

Top Gun Maverick? You know what I mean? This seems to be in it of itself a movie that people really should go see. Do you feel like in any way that you having so much stuff, people are so excited for the things that you're doing that a film like this gets lost in the shuffle or is there

anything specifically you want to say to make sure that you drive people to go see it? Because everybody's waiting for King, everybody's waiting for Creed. And I'm looking at this and I'm going, shit, I've got to see this shit because this is a story. about a black man that I did not know before. And it's very important. You know what I mean?

And I'm sure it's going to be a great film. Well, I would say just a strip scheduling. Yeah. It comes out first. So there's that. Right, right, right. Check that out. But I would also say, I mean, there is no IP on this.

You know, I mean, this is a real brother. This is a, this is a, let's break it down. So a, a man. A young black boy is born in Mississippi, the sharecroppers. He wants to be an aviator, a naval aviator. He changes the way he speaks. He memorizes what people say to him, good and bad. But he records the bad, and he keeps it with him.

He travels to Florida. He secretly marries. his wife, he then ascends to be the top naval aviator in the Navy. He does all this by the time he was 23 years old. Shit. That's a superhero. That should be enough for y'all to see it. Absolutely.

You know what I mean? And this is, I mean, very much like Brother Washington, you know, this is the handshake. You know what I mean? Don't miss it. You know, this is the handshake. This is the first time you're going to meet him, you know, And we really, we did our best to keep this truthful, to make it as truthful and as honest as possible. And it's powerful, you know, when you meet this guy, you go, yeah, he is a superhero.

That's why, that's why I did it, you know, because I thought, yeah, this guy's going to give you energy. This guy's going to put power in you. You know, he's going to remind you of what you already got, you know, because you don't really got a cape. You know, you can't really fly, you know, but you were really born in the mud like Jesse Brown, you know. And you really can, you know, ascend to heights that your social status or, you know, the, you know, fucked up patriarchy that we live in, try to hold you back from. You can't do that. That's the story of Jesse Brown. That's why I see it.

That's why I did it. Yeah. What was the process? Glenn, Glenn's from Texas, by the way. Glenn is from Texas. God, damn. Glenn's a friend. He's from Texas.

My sister lives in Louisiana, by the way. Where does she live? She lives in, she's back in New Orleans now. Okay. But she did all her education there. She went to Xavier. Hell yeah. Yeah.

LSU. And Tulane. She went to all them schools. LSU. We'll talk about that. We're going to talk about LSU. We're not going to talk about LSU. We're not going to get busy on the football field later on.

Texas one this weekend too. Yeah. I love that. I love it. I love it what y'all do. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Talk about the way Glenn wanted you for this. He's EPing this.

He sat down with you. Y'all had a different type of meetup as far as him pitching this to you. Yeah. And he's particularly wanted you. for this role. Can you talk about that? The where? Yeah, the where. So New York City, probably a year ago, it's maybe 35 degrees outside. We're in the lower, lower, lower, lower east village at the Russian Turkish baths,

which is one of my favorite places on the planet. I've been going there since I was probably 20 years old. And I had a phone call maybe three days later saying, hey, you know, Glenn Powell, you know, wants to meet with you. He is he peeing. And he plays Tom Hutner, you know, which essentially the co-star, you know, of the piece. He wants to meet with you. I say, okay, cool, cool, cool. But I'm doing this on this day. And he should just come and meet me here.

And they go, what, really? At the Russian Turkish baths? Now, the Russian Turkish baths are a New York staple. But they are extremely like New York. Like, it's not fancy, but people are naked. It's hot. You know, it's hot. You know, it's not glamorous.

It's not the four seasons. It's not none of that. It's just like, this is what it looks like. Like, you're going to get beat by stuff if you want. There's a room that we call the hell room. It's dark. It's about as big as this studio. There's a fucking lava pit over there.

There's big bucks. It's hell. That's a real John Wick. Love it. Love it. You know what I mean? Easter promises. Right.

You know what I mean? Rounders. And so you got, you know, our beautiful friend and colleague and brother, you know, Glenn Powell walking down the street. I'm like, yeah, man, this is it. You walk in. It's essentially in a brownstone. Right.

Right. You walk in. You been? No. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Uh, uh, uh, you walk in. And he's just cool. Have you met Glenn? Mm-mm. Most beautiful spirit in the world. You know what I mean? Like piercing blue eyes, big-ass smile.

Texas, just like good old boy. You know, but the good old boy. Right. Yeah. Yeah. I got you. So we in there and he's trying to pitch me on this film. And literally, I'm watching this man melt.

I'm watching him just. Ha, ha, ha, I'm watching him just. And I'm sitting there like, you good? Yeah, he's like, I'm good, I'm good, I'm good, I'm good, and good. And he's telling me the story of these two men who essentially, you know, they're faded, you know, these guys. Jesse and Tom. And they go through the fire together.

And they essentially have legacies because of each other. You know, they are the foils of each other. And the heroic things that Jesse does and Tom does. but Jesse's thrust into history was propelled by and then carried on by Tom Hutner you know what I mean? Which would lead to the film and all this

and so we're sitting there and it's going down and this boy is dying and he's pitching me and I just look at him and I go I think we're going to make this movie man you know what I mean he says okay cool cool cool and he gets up and right out but yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah but yeah I mean that's how it's how it started

and yeah November 23rd way that it's going to all right so in the it's interesting you guys make the movie and then in the midst of the movie glen paul really has his moment you know what i mean like like like top gun maverick well you know you go watch top of my man jay is in top come maverick and and and i'm a beyond you bro i wasn't expecting that shit to be that good bro i thought it was gonna be cool but like he he jumps off the screen in a

different way like glen pao like he yeah like he jumped like you look at that guy and you go there's a fucking movie star yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah and so very few of those very few right what is that what is that at somebody who's on the screen because

it happens right yeah to where you see someone and sometimes you're just so blown away by performance i give you an example of a different one when i first Shaft went to the Theta's DC shaft. Which one? The theater said be Sam. So that would be Sam, right? So I go into the Theta's Se shaft and I'm like, yo man, who plays the Puerto Rican guy?

Oh, yeah. I'm like that guy was fucking amazing. Like, who is that guy? Tiger Wu? Tiger Wu? He's like, like, I'm like, who is who is that dude? And then it's, you know, fucking, obviously Jeffrey fucking right, right? And so sometimes what is that that that we're seeing when we're seeing when we

see someone when they pop off of the screen. Is that technique? Is that God given? What makes an actor glow like that? You know, I mean, it probably is probably a secret. You know, it's probably something that, you know, it can't really be described. But I do know that it's an original quality. You know what I mean?

Like, you look at somebody, you go, I've actually never seen that before in a way. You go, I've never seen that before. And it usually comes from a certain. self-possession, not necessarily confidence, but self-possession, where the person is very aware of who they are, you know, who the character is. And when those things come together,

you know, there's a certain, you get kind of a documentary feel. You know what I mean? You shoot somebody in a documentary. They can be uncomfortable, but you're still looking at it like a wild animal because you don't know what they're going to do. Of course.

You know what I mean? Because they're so in their bodies, even if they're in their head, they're in their bodies, you know? That's what you definitely get with a Glenn Powell and Hangman, I mean, that performance is wicked. What he does in devotion is just stunning, which is beautiful.

But Jeffrey, I mean, that's Jeffrey's quality, isn't it? I mean, I would just suggest, you've probably seen it, but Boski, I actually went back. That's all that act. You know what I mean? I'm talking about inspiration. Yeah. That film was like, okay, yeah, it's on. You know, you see a black man move like that, you know, on that level, you know,

you're like, oh, it's on. You know, there's no barriers here. And also there's a little bit of fuck you in a movie star, quote unquote. You know what I mean? It's a little bit of like, I'm doing it like this. You know what I mean? And like I'm doing it in private and you're just going to shoot it. You know, there's a certain, there's a lot of metal, you know.

And sometimes I can shoot you in the foot, you know, but that's why it's, oh, they're difficult. You know, it's like, no, not difficult. They have a very clear point of view on something, you know. I also think there's a certain preparation. I know that for a fact with Glenn. You know, he's preparing his ass off. So you got it, you know. But there's a magic quality, I think, overall.

You feel like you have it? Bro, I don't watch them. You know what I mean? I don't watch them. Really? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't watch them. So, no, B, I just... You don't watch your own movies?

Yeah. Yeah. So wait a minute. So hold on for a second. So, like, I'll ask you. it is about you not watching your own movie. So we're watching you as he remains and we're marveling at it. We're like, Jesus Christ, he's nailing this, right? At the end of the blah, blah, blah, you've never seen that performance on screen? I've seen the ADR. So if I had to go through ADR for

those with home, you know, I know the homies know, but when we go through and dub it, right, something's messed up. Like, for instance, I know I eat an apple in it, right? And so sometimes you like, they don't want that. So I have to go through and, you know, put my voice on it to to bump it up, you know what I mean? So I've seen that stuff, you know what I mean? And I can just see a quick image, you know what I'll go? Oh, yeah, cool, cool. But I actually try to avert my eyes as much as possible.

I think for me, it's not my business. You know what I'm operating from this, you know, I'm just listening to, you know, teachers, thinking about my, I'm just in it, you know what I mean? And so on the, that's the thing, documentary. You know, that's one of the ways I try to work where it's like, this is just how it goes. This is how it goes.

You know, I'm not worried about camera set up. I don't deal with it. with marks, you know, I wear my costume all the time. You know, like, you're just capturing what I'm doing now. You know what I mean? And it's not precious what you get, but the process of doing it is quite, I'm quite invested in that. And I told my director is, you know, like, this is all I get.

You know, I'm not going to watch a film after, no disrespect, but I'm probably going to watch it after this, you know. And I've been in, you know, screenings or whatever, and I'm sitting there with folks. You watch them, I'm over here, you know, and then let me go the bathroom or, you You know, I'm in and out. You know what I'm in and out? I'm in and out. You know, if my homies are on the screen, I'll check it out.

Oh, wicked. But I know the script, obviously. So I go, okay, and I'm out. Yeah, I mean. That's just how it goes. That's incredible. Curiosity would get me. Okay, I know we have to go.

Let me just ask you this really quickly. Interviewed Michael B. Jordan. And he said that you should be people's sexiest man alive reaction to that on the cover of it. Michael B said that. Yes, he did. Michael B. Jordan, he was, yeah. Yes, he did.

That's my motherfucker. That's my brother. That's what he said. That's my brother. He said normally he wouldn't have an answer for that, but it should be you. That is my brother, man. I really love that boy. I've said that twice this week.

I love him. Yeah. Was that going through your mind with the men's fitness health food? Like you're thinking, I'm really about to fuck these women's heads up. What do you do? Last question. When you're in a sexy man, I've never been in a sexy man shoot. That's not my, but you did some real sexy man shit and had everybody running scared.

Was you thinking when you was doing your thing? You was like, I'm about to fuck him up right now. now. Were you thinking that? Like, what goes to your mind then? That was a little of Team Texas. I was thinking, I was just thinking, you know, do my best. Men's health, show them.

You know what I mean? Show them. You know, there was a little... Right. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, there was a little aggression. I won't start. But, uh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

All right, you guys, the devotion is the movie. It comes out November 23rd. I am looking forward to seeing this. I'm looking forward to Quantumania. I'm looking forward to see if, you know, you whoop Michael ass or if Michael whoop your ass and Creed 3. I'm just looking forward to everything you got coming, man. Like, you know, you've been killing it. You're an amazing actor.

And we're happy to have you. Thank you for joining us today. Yes, thank you. And y'all, y'all be doing the shit. I mean, I listen every day. So I'm like, two this week? Oh, hell yeah. Oh, thank you.

I appreciate you. I appreciate you. I appreciate so intelligent. I'm so beautiful. Oh, thank you so much.