Higher Learning with Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay - The Defense of an Unwanted Kiss, and the Black Maternal Health Crisis

Episode Date: June 16, 2023

Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay react to singer YK Osiris forcibly kissing rapper Sukihana and the online defense of the act (11:50), plus racist emails between Donald Trump Jr. and friend Gentry Beach being exposed in court (32:39). Then they discuss Black maternal health following the death of Olympian Tori Bowie (37:08), and the Supreme Court's latest ruling, which respects tribal sovereignty (47:32). Hosts: Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay Producers: Donnie Beacham Jr. and Ashleigh Smith Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Yo, yo, yo, thought warriors. Oh, gross. You want to try that again? Yeah, yeah. Yo, yo, thought warriors. What is up? I learned. It's on is I Van Lakey Jr.

And it's me, Rachel and Lenton. Rachel, where are you? Where are you? I'm in Miami. I'm in Atlanta. I'm in, which is why we're doing this podcast. on a Friday morning.

Friday morning. I'm here for the Black Joan Festival. Where are you at Atlanta for? Oh, I saw that. I'm speaking at a marketing conference today. Marketing conference. Like, what are you guys got? What are you going to talk to them about?

You got talking about the power of suggestion? I will be talking to them about creating your own brand. Oh. You should, like, do you ever get, When you have to give a talk, do you ever get scampish to where it's just, I see people there and it's so important and you can't help but be a little bit of a scamp? It happens for to me. It's like I get up there and I just want to be a scamp and make people feel weird and say funny

things and stuff. Like right now you're talking about the power of marketing and building your own brand and stuff. you could talk to them about whatever you want and they would love it because you're Rachel Lindsay and they came there to see you so just scamp it up

get a little scampish on them well the good thing is this is like a fireside chat which I much prefer like I don't have to stand up there and give a speech it's like a conversation so yeah

I'm sure I'll have some scampish answers in there that they'll be dedicated to you you. Are you doing a panel? Are you doing a panel? Yeah, doing a fatherhood thing. I'm not a dad, but I had one. So doing a fatherhood thing. Then also just experiencing the film festival first time, working the rooms, you know, I'm doing a panel, working the rooms, talking to people, being the best.

You know what I mean? Like doing... Okay. What? Doing... I'm doing my thing, Rach. Yeah, you're networking. I get it.

Yeah, you know how it goes. But you're going to do while you're in Miami. Nothing. How long? Nothing? No, dog. I'm not like that. I mean, there's got to be like a bunch of events

surrounding the festival. It's going to be, there's a the night, there's going to be a couple of things. I look outside the room and I see what I'm going to be doing. They got the pool out there and then I can walk to the beach. So I might do some of that. But other than that, I'm not the person that does it. You know, I don't do it.

Like, I'll go to Vegas and chill. I don't do it. When I'm in New York, yeah, me too. I'm in New York, I don't do it, man. I don't have the stamina for. now, but when I look back, I never really did. I never really had to stand there.

That's anything wrong with that. To each their own. I know. Had I known that, I would have taken back your invitation last week. I can't get over stuff. Can't get over stuff. I would have taken it back. I have this great therapist

that I go see David. And if it was, and if I was in front of, of him right now, he would, he would, he would, he would, I was telling him he'd say, that was a shot. You don't, you don't say that. You deal with that in a better way. So you're, you're in Atlanta. So let me ask you this. I see you, do you pack a robe or do you wear the robe of the hotel? I wear the hotel room. You're a robe officianto. I, I, I love a robe. I got the slippers on. I like to make myself at home.

that's why I have to stay in a nice hotel because I really want to feel comfortable. I can't sleep if I'm in a bad hotel. Like I will get really in my head and like it's bad. And getting in your head, you can get trapped in there. Oh my gosh. Wait. I was on the plane. On the plane.

What did you say? Nothing. What did you say about my head? I didn't say anything. Go ahead. Like, go ahead. What were you saying? I was listening.

I didn't say nothing. I got to watch what I say on this podcast because shout out to the lovely thought warrior that I met on the plane. When she turned around to me and said, I know you don't like to be bothered on the plane. I know you don't like that. But I just wanted to say hi. And I felt so bad. I was like, oh my God. I'm so glad she said.

I was so glad you said hi. Oh my gosh. I don't want people to think that I mean. I just said like to myself on a plane is what I meant. You can always, hello, thought warriors. You can always say hello. I love to meet thought warriors in the wild. But I felt so bad.

She was scared to say something to me. Is she talking about the time you made the stewardess? No. No. No. Oh, my God. No. Oh, speaking of that, I know I let you know.

I realized something this time. That L.A. Miami flight is a monster. I don't. A beast, right? Yeah, I normally sleep, but I flew in the middle of the day. So this time I only got like an hour. That flight is a monster, man. That's like a little G.

That's why I like to take it overnight Because that That probably messes with your sleep Because I took a day flight To get to Atlanta And it took me I mean I'm a little under the weather So I kind of passed out due to sickness

But then I woke up And I could not sleep for hours I probably didn't go to bed till three I could not sleep You ever heard that song Down with the sickness Go home You're down with the sickness?

You ever heard that? Is this a Louisiana special? It's not a Louisiana special. Donnie, have you heard that song? She said sick. She said she's under the weather. She's sick. You ever heard the song, Down with the Sickness?

It sounds familiar, but I can't see it long. No, it did. No, it did. No, it really did. You know a movie or a TV show? Ashley, have you ever heard that song, Down with the Sickness? I mean, I'm going to agree, Donnie. It sounds familiar, but I cannot place that.

That's because all the songs that band makes up sound like that. That's why are you guys? Why am I being treated this way? Because we waited 20 minutes for you to hop on this podcast. It wasn't 20 minutes, man. It wasn't 20. Donnie, actually.

Down with the sickness, it was recorded in 1999. It's by Disturbed. And it's by, from their debut album, The Sickness. the name of the guys never heard down with the sickness

It's heavy metal So no I'm looking it up It's a heavy metal song I know but it's like I don't know man These are the stuff I start to feel like

I'm not gonna lie That I had like a weird upbringing When I'm on the podcast sometimes No I think you have One of the most interesting upbring

when you tell stories. You're a very curious child. And you're like, you had a lot of different interest. No. Don't feel that way. I have heard it. It was at the beginning of Dawn of the Dead.

Don of the Dead. Yeah. It was a Donna Day. Donnie, you are right. Donnie, you are right. Don't get down with the sick of us. You never. It was, it was.

I totally remember it from the movie. Yes, Donnie. Yeah. It was. We ain't never seen Down. So now do you feel less weird? They ain't never seen Donna the Dead, you don't know. Have.

You never seen. Were they trapped in the mall? What's the chances that the judge? The judge, you snuck out to go see that. And that the movie where they're trapped in the mall? Yeah, it's the movie where they were trapped in the mall. How did you get a chance to see that? Actually, you were grown when that came out.

You were in college. That's what I was going to say. I was past 17. Yeah, so you go. When you turn 17, when you turn 17, where They're like a bunch of different movies that you just ran out. Did you like rebel to go? No.

Because as I've told you, 17 years of being told what you can and can't watch, you just learn to find other interests. So I wasn't running to the theater to watch that. You were taking it out with people on the basketball court, elbowing people. Get down with the stupid, I was pretty, I was pretty dirty on the basketball court. That is true. Crazy. Just want to let you know.

Everyone is looking at you differently now that you read those Zion tweets. So don't talk about you 30 and all of that stuff. People are looking at you. You have many people. I saw some messages. People were like, you look like you said this before.

First of all. Come on, guys. By the way, I just want to let you know that y'all are some freaks out there. And you guys know who I'm talking to. There's some famous. men that were like, bro, you know, I never looked at Rachel kind of like

she was reading them tweets. I'm telling you guys right now, y'all some freaks. And there will be, Rachel is a pure woman of the walls of Jericho. All right? You're just reading tweets. Who wasn't?

You know? Every time you say that, it makes me want to sing the song. Because, man, like, you know, I was, when I was back in Baton Rouge, I felt the, the presence of the Bible Belt because you don't really feel in LA.

You don't feel it in LA at all. You don't feel it in LA. LA is, you don't, but when I was back at home, I felt it. You know, it's churches all over the place and, you know, it was all of that stuff. And I was like, this is, I'm back within the walls of Jericho.

Okay, we got to go. All right. Up and down show today, I'm just letting you guys know in terms of topics. Some very serious things to discuss and some bullshit. But we're going to get to YK Osiris and why men just can't understand the concept of sexual assault. It's the big deal of the day on the other side of this break. The playoffs are here and you can predict the action all the way to the final with Bandul predict. predict the spread, total points, and even the game winner.

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She's a rapper. She's on love and hip hop. Atlanta? Is it Atlanta or is it Miami? Suki with the good kuchi. She is a rapper and a star and a hilarious personality. She's very, very, very funny. She is funny.

She is untamed, unhinged, unbridged, unbridled. and lots of sexual energy. Sexual energy in her wraps, sexual energy and her personality. Okay. Yeah. But she's entertaining. She's very entertaining.

She was like, just recently, she was talking about how she wanted to have sex with Dr. Umar. And. I did not hear that. Oh, man, that was so funny, man. That was so funny. She was saying she wanted to have sex with Dr. Umar. And,

uh, Dr. Umar responded. it. Oh, he did. What did he say? He didn't say no. He didn't say no. It was funny. The whole thing was funny. All right. So people have been talking about an incident that happened at the crew league. The crew league is really, it's a fun thing that happens where rappers and their crews compete against each other in a league. The crew league is fun. All right. Shout out to Funny Marco, who I saw there hosting the crew league. a little deval was there and on

the crew league commentary on the thing right there giving commentary on the game was Sukian Tsuky Wittaguchi she was there and there was an incident

caught on camera where YK Osiris was a young R&B singer kissed her and And he kissed her. And he continued to kiss her in a sexual way.

And she looked uncomfortable. Rachel, did you see the video? I did. I did see the video. What did you think when you saw the video? It was disturbing. But for a number of reasons. Like, as you described, he doesn't just kiss.

her. It's, you know, it starts out where he's massaging her shoulders. And I think he kisses her tattoo and he walks away and he comes back and he grabs her face and forcibly kisses her and does it twice. And you can tell, as you said, she was uncomfortable. She's kind of moving away. But as equally, it bothered me because obviously he grabbed her and kissed her. She didn't ask for that. She didn't consent to that. But then also equally upsetting were all the people who stood there and watched, even if they were in shock, stood there laughing, were high-fiving, why K. Osiris, or were just silent? That was just as bad to watch. I mean, you could tell you. You could tell from her body language that she was rejecting that, that she didn't want that. And the way that

he came over to her and grabbed her in that way, it felt to me like he didn't even look at her as a human being. He didn't wait for her, like, as if she was void of any feeling and any emotion. He felt like he could take advantage of her and control of her. And his actions made the reaction of everybody else almost co-signed that, even if they weren't the ones participating in it. And if I had one feeling to walk away, I would say it was disturbing and it was really, really hard to watch. And I think the reaction that I've seen has been split. And that's alarming as well from both men and women. Because just because, as you said, Suki with the good Kucci just because her lyrics might be sexually charged. That's not an open invitation to

mistreat or abuse her. It's a form of expression. Whether you agree with it or not, it does not make it okay to take advantage of her just because her lyrics or even she on a microphone might say something. And I just don't understand how that could even be up for debate. And I don't understand how this isn't a bigger conversation about the way women are objectified. So there was a conversation that happened before the kiss.

And in that conversation, Suki and YK are going back and forth and she's saying, boy, I'll turn you out and whatever, whatever. No, no, no. I don't need to hear it right now. Just put it in a post. If you put it in it at all, I haven't made up my mind because of I'm sick of this. You know, it has been people on both sides of it talking.

And I'm starting to realize just how fucking idiotic everyone is. And I'm just, I'm at my wits in with it. You know, it's breathtaking sometimes how we discuss the same things over and over and over again as it relates to racism. As it relates to racism, we sit here and we marvel. Why white people don't understand why they can't perform blackface?

We'll sit here and have a conversation every year and a half about why white people don't understand why it makes us uncomfortable for them to say the N-word. and why being willfully obtuse about something that's so easily understood is part of what's maddening about being black in this country. And then I got to watch us mentally joust about watching this nigger put his whole face on this fucking woman. Uninvited.

I can walk around right now with. my dick out. That doesn't mean I want you to suck it, whoever you might be. You know, is people, do you understand what you are saying when you are saying that if you talk about sex, if you talk about what you like, or if you have an image that exudes and projects sex that you are subject to everybody's sexual whims and actions. Do you understand how archaic and stupid that is? You're stupid. You're not, no, it's not, there's nothing to discuss.

You're dumb. You're dumb. You're stupid. I'm not entertaining it at all. It's ridiculous. Wachey O'Syris has apologized. He said he misread the situation. Young brother, I'm not trying, I'm not going to be the one to kick you in the nuts with a steel toe boot.

But I am going to push on you a little bit. You got to fucking be better. And everybody out there who's looking at that and making excuses for that type of action, you need to be better too. There was a time when you could look at a lady and because she had makeup on and because she was dressed a certain way, walk over and do whatever you wanted to her. Yeah, that time is over. And what I mean about that is it wasn't cool then, but there was a time when there was no societal punishment for that.

We're trying to get away from that. And just listen to everyone works so fucking hard to excuse that behavior or to make it seem like she in some way invited that is crazy. sound like to me he had a hoodie on so I thought he was a thug he had braids on

so I thought he was a thug you walk like a thug you dress like a thug you get killed like that's all I hear from y'all all I hear from people are yo this because I'm a young black brother in this particular

situation or from this place I shouldn't be judged like this the motherfucker put his whole fucking mouth on the woman. Like what I mean? Like he put his whole fucking face in the woman. Like what the fuck? I don't. And said he didn't mean the disrespect her.

That was his apology. Look. How do you not? Go ahead. No. I just, you said something about, you know, there was a time. when people did that and it was never cool,

but we don't talk about it in the same way, or we've moved past it. YK is 24. That's a whole different generation. And he walked up and did that. We're not past it. You got people like Meek Mill, who it wasn't until his third tweet.

He tweeted about this, which made YK seem like he's a victim for this hyper-sexual, society, particularly with men, he was making excuses. He called him a kid. I don't think we're past it. Because at 24, one, you got other people making excuses for him. And at 24, he felt like he could do this. He saw nothing wrong with this. If this hadn't gone viral and people hadn't reacted the way that he did, there was nobody in that space holding him accountable for what he did. And that's why I say, the people who sat there on that,

who were right there at that table, are just as much of a problem because they didn't do anything to stand up for Sukiana. Not one thing. Nobody had her back, which perpetuates this type of thinking and behavior. It was just as disgusting to see nobody be like,

whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. That's not okay. Not one, which almost meant they thought it was okay. they didn't see anything wrong with it. I would love to hear from the other people who were standing right next to her when that happened. I just think that we need to take this as an opportunity

to have a more impactful conversation surrounding this. I'm not saying to cancel YK. I'm just saying this issue isn't getting better. So, Sukihana, Suki has talked about this. She tweeted about it. She said, she drinks. She said, this is what she said in the tweet.

I drink to hide that I'm very sensitive. She wrote in the tweet, she deleted it. I feel things more than the average person. I stopped drinking yesterday, but I've been crying all day. I ask God to strengthen me and use me to help others and to order my steps in this world. I just want to go away for a while. In another tweet, she said she's hurt and scared to stand up for herself. Like I said, YK said that he misread the situation.

There was another incident with her that I saw. she was on a podcast Donnie See if you can find this She was on a podcast And she was on Candy Burris' podcast Candy has a co-hosts on the podcast I'm not familiar with the brother

But apparently Like people that listen to Candy's podcast He's a comedian Or he's someone who knows Candy I'm not in any way Trying to talk shit about this brother, but the only reason why I say

that is because I saw people in the comments over this discussing him and talking about him and talking about his relationship with Candy and everything. And I saw a clip this was even before the YK Osir's thing. I saw a clip of her on

Candy's podcast. And this guy was talking about what he would do to her and how he would do her. And then he showed her a picture of his dick on his phone. I make that pussy spit. I know it do.

I watched you walk in this motherfucker. So you can tell about my walk? I can tell about your walk that pussy spit. Hey, you're a country, nigga. Where you from? I'm from Atlanta, Georgia. Cammerton Road to be exact what's happening with it. Oh, yeah, I don't know what I'm saying?

I don't put my face in your pussy. You say, soup it with the good cushion. You know what I'm saying? You can talk about her good. That motherfucket smell and all it. We can go into the back and I can come back and give a- I want to smell my ass. I might put my tongue down that motherfucker.

Oh, my gosh, A-1. But we're going to start with the sniffing of it. You are aggressive. She loved that shit, man. Look at her. She liked that old shit. No, I don't. You love that shit.

No, I mean, after like during sex maybe, but you know, that's not right now. Now, all they said you talk. You don't mention match. I'm here. What's up? So, listen, hold on. Hold on, hold on, hold on. This man, I'm okay.

So, if you watch the video, Um, you listen to it. She is, uh, she is, um, she's uncomfortable. She says right now, I don't really want to talk about it. And the brothers, he says his name, Candy says his name in there. A1. There's another part, like I said, where he shows is he holds up his phone and apparently it was a picture of his dick on the phone or whatever.

And, you know, that came out even before the YK thing. And it's just. the entitlement there is dangerous. I'm not saying that we are passing. What I'm trying to say is we're trying to be past it. Like, we're trying to put that in our rearview. I never remember, I never forget back in the day when Adrian Brody

won his Academy Award for the piano. And Hallie Berry presented him with the Academy Award. And he grabbed her face and he kissed her. Mm-hmm. And I'm looking at that like, oh, and my mother's like, what? She's like, are you fucking, that white man just grabbed her face and she was hot. Mm-hmm. You know what I mean?

She was hot. Yeah. And I'm looking at that like, oh, okay, well, there you go. not okay. That's not okay. We've had an ongoing conversation about the way we're going to treat the women in our communities.

And it's not, and they don't have to, a woman doesn't have to qualify to be treated with respect. I know that that was the thing that we would, that rap music told y'all, I know rap music told y'all that a woman had to qualify to have her sexuality

and her body respected. That's not true. A woman doesn't have to qualify. There's no, there's no credit application for a woman to have her body and her sexual sovereignty respected by you. It's not. Yeah. It's not on her. It's on you.

It's on the type of person you want to be. Mm-hmm. And I'm, I'm just, it's, it's, it's getting old, like, it's getting old trying to explain this all the time. You know, it's, it's, it's, it's getting old. trying to explain this. I've heard so many people, oh, man, that's how she wanted to talk about it. If she starts talking to you about that,

talk to her about that. If 50 Cent was sitting right in front of you right there, you know how corny it would be for you to have a conversation with 50. If 50 cents sitting right there in that interview, I know one thing that guy's not going to ask. Yo, bro, you ever killed anyone? That's not going to come up.

Like, that's not, you're not going to. Hey, bro, you ever, you ever, you ever, don't matter how much you talk about killing somebody, right? No matter how much any of these guys talk about, you're not going to be like, hey, bro, how many, you ever kill somebody? I tell us about time you really put it at work. Like, where are you sell dope? They're not going to do that because you're going to look corny.

Because even if he discusses that, you know that you're not going to, there's a thing there. You're not going to violate him by talking about his past unless he brings that up to you. But you can put your whole mouth on a woman or tell her that you want to put your face in her ass. You niggas got to grow the fuck up. I'm sorry and I'm not trying to be hyper-righteous. It's just like it's no way I'm not

I'm not a good, I'm not the good guy. I'm not. I'm not the good guy. I'm one of the dirty niggas. I'm not the good guy. I'm being for real. But I'm saying you can't put your whole fucking mouth on the one. Okay, let's go. But what just you're not

being righteous. It shouldn't be looked at as righteous to treat a woman with respect. It just should be. We shouldn't look at that any other way. Man, all right, bro. Let's watch the whole, I watch everybody make this. I watch a lot of people that I like, have a great deal of respect for. Try to play this the other way. Talking about, our niggas grow to fuck up, man. For real. Ladies and now. Okay. I just don't, I just, I wouldn't even want to talk to somebody to understand the other side. I just don't understand how you could even try to rationalize that.

Yeah. Just because she's sexually liberated. Yeah. If you want to ask her about her lyrics, if you want to talk about her lyrics to her, that's fine. If this was a situation before we go, if this was a situation where someone asked, with someone read Suu Kiana's, lyrics back to her. And then asked her about it. Not

not in a way of examining her lyrics talking about it. Like you rap you rap about these things. You've said this in a song. That's all above board. That's all above board. Yeah. Even in the 50, even even in the 50 example, if you want

to talk about something he said in the song, that's all above board. All of these things started talking about who she is and what her real life is and I want to fuck you. shit. What the hell, man? I just can't get over the fact that people don't see it as a form of expression rather than that is exactly who she is, what she raps about. It makes me think of, um, Nikki Minaj one time was talking about Future and she was saying how she was shocked that Future was like, no,

I'm really a lightweight. Like all the, all, all the drugs that Future talks about in his songs, he was like, I really, I'm really not even doing all of that. I'm a, I'm a lightweight. I just, I just be rapping about it. And so it's like, it doesn't necessarily mean that because they're rapping about it is exactly who that person is. And people have to disconnect it to.

And that's why it's like, if you want to ask, like you said, then ask. And you can find out who Sukiana is off the mic. Otherwise, respect her. Okay. Donald Trump Jr. is a racist. The Wall Street Journal reported

that emails written years ago between Donald Trump Jr. and his friend Gentry Beach. These people got some white-ass names, man. Gentry Beach? Gentry? This motherfucker's name is Gentry Beach. And other businessmen could be made public.

The emails reportedly include disparaging comments about Jews and Mexicans. Wait a minute. are considered a side battle to a case filed by Beach some 15 years ago against his former hedge fund employer, Taraji P capital management. It's Taraji capital management, but that looks like Taraji to me. So I'm going to say Taraji P capital management. According to Wall Street Journal's email, the emails were part of a new legal defense by the hedge fund,

which argued that the messages bolstered its argument that Beach was disloyal to the employer and exposed the company to reputational harm. Hmm. In one of these emails, Donald Jr., Don J., Don J., Don J., J., J., J., J., J., J., J., said that the Beach families moved to Upper Manhattan. He referred to it as Harlem due to the number of black residents now living there. I hear the theme song of the Jeffersons playing in the background.

and another one he says Entourage the Mexicans to come to the U.S. and give them another excuse not to learn English, he wrote. When I have to speak to my grandchildren in Spanish, at least I will know I have you to thank. Beach responded, we're going to stop this WB issue in its tracks. WB being a, I don't feel like saying that. I'm not going to disrespect all of the Latino listeners

of the podcast and Mexican listeners. podcast. As you guys know, they say a word, it's disparaging to Mexicans. Okay. Donald Trump Jr. is a racist. You know, I thought this story was interesting, is because no matter how much evidence that we get that there's a race problem inside the Trump organization, inside the Trump mind, inside the Trump family, you still have those that defend the former president and the people around him as not having any racial bias when all of the evidence is to the contrary. And when we get

these conversations between people, do you look at this as joky-jokiness, whatever Jefferson's theme song, all of that stuff, or is this signs of deeper entrenched racism inside the Trump mind to you? I mean, the first thought when I

I mean that Jefferson, whatever. You like that. Listen, when I saw this, I was like, oh, well, the Apple. doesn't fall far from the tree. Where did he learn all of this from? Where did he learn to have this embedded racism or inherent racism within him? He learned it from his father. He learned it from his surroundings. They probably talk like this all the time. This is nothing. When I saw this

story, I'm not shocked by it by any means. I think it's very obvious at this point. I mean, look at how Donald Trump, not even in a covert way, has overtly talked about Latino and Latino people. Like, he's outwardly. been racist. So the fact that Donald Trump Jr. is making these type of comments to his friends or on their group email chat, this was not just the two of them. This was their University of Pennsylvania. It was like a group email. You know, nobody corrected him. Nobody said anything. Like, this is just how they talk in their circle. They are racist. I mean, the way you just said earlier, how we have these conversations over and over again about racism or respecting black women,

We could do this all day with the Trumps. They're racist. And whoever's going to see them as race, people who can't see that yet or don't, they see it, they just don't want to acknowledge it. Nothing surprise. So you're not voting for Trump. Yeah, I'm not voting for Trump.

You sure? You have this thing with DeSantis. I'm not sure. It seems like you have a soft spot for this. Do I? I'm in DeSantis country right now. Yeah. You're loving it.

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She was in labor at the time. Heartbreak. Possible complications included respiratory distress and eclampsia, which is related to high blood pressure, during pregnancy. The manner of death was deemed natural, according to the medical examiner's office.

This underscores a very serious issue about black maternal mortality. The black maternal mortality rate for our sisters, 69.9 deaths per 100,000 lives, births almost three times the rate for white women per the CDC. Rachel, I'm sure you heard about this. What are your thoughts?

I mean, obviously this is tragic news. And to even hear Alison Felix, who has been very vocal about black maternal health from her own experience, say that out of the three, she's talking about her relay. There were four of them. Three of them have been pregnant. Two had near death experiences and one died. And these are women who have access. to health care. These are women, you know, who might not be in a different, or who are in a different socioeconomic status than other women who are even at a higher risk and they're still dying. Everybody should go, first off, let me say this. Black maternal health has been on the radar for a while. I mean, maternal health just in general in the United States is worse than any other country. And black maternal health, as Van already pointed out, the statistics is even worse than that. And so you can't say this enough that you have to advocate for yourself because nobody is going to do that more than you can. You need to talk to your, you need to make sure you're providing your health,

you're telling your health care provider every single thing that you're feeling. You know, don't try to, I feel like a lot of times, as black women especially, we carry a lot, we do a lot. we're like, oh, you can, I'll work through that. No, you need to be advocating for yourself. You need to be proactive. There's a website www.cdc.gov forward slash hear her. There's a hear her campaign, which has a lot of information of people telling their stories, of different resources, of what you should do in regards to making sure that you're fully equipped and educated with the information that you need to, as a lot of, a black woman that's pregnant. Women in pregnant general, like I said, maternal health is just bad in the United States, but specifically women of color who are self-likely to die, three times more likely to die in pregnancy than white women. Yeah, I can't, I can't advocate for

that enough. And there is a bill that they're trying to reintroduce. I know the build better, you know, I say this wrong all the time, build better act, build better, better build back better. Build Back Better Act, I know that within that act, they did provide funds, more funds for maternal health care, but still more needs to be done. You know, as you see, people are still dying and the rates have not changed in regards to how high they are, that black women are three times more likely to die than white women. And there's a bill that's being pushed, the Black maternal health momnibus act, which is going to try, or they're trying to save Marjor. mom's lives and address maternal mortality, morbidity, and disparities within the United States. But to hear that another woman and women continuously, not just Tory, are suffering and dying from childbirth is just, it's tragic.

So Representative Lauren Underwood, who was a Democrat from Illinois, she has been trying to pass that package of legislation for a while now. She was on Face the Nation, I think it was in May, and she was talking about how excited and optimistic she is that things will get done now. And she says that she has bipartisan support for it. It's a disparity that must be looked at in a very, direct way. You know, I don't want to take the death of Tori and make it, I don't want to diminish her life. You know, she's a gold medal winner. She is a singular life and a singular woman who passed away.

And I want to make sure that there's space for her family and the entire track and field community to grieve over what happened to her. But I agree with you, Rachel. It is an opportunity for us to not, an opportunity. It's not an opportunity. Her passing away, there's no opportunity in her death. What I'm saying is it demands, it's an opportunity to. It demands that we have a conversation about black women and their treatment and the access that they have to health care and life-saving interventions while they are pregnant. The pregnancy and the identity of black women as mothers has never been respected or protected in America.

The first way that black women, the first identity that black women had in this country wasn't as mothers, it was as breeders. It was as people who passed along more commerce and more product to capitalism and to white supremacy. So their only value was in how tough they were and how they had to give birth in the toughest and the most degrading and inhumane of circumstances. These niggers are tough. and they can give birth even with whipped backs and even after working out in fields and all of that stuff. And, you know, growing up, I would hear my mom

and other people talk about, you know, how difficult going through labor was. It's almost like a cliche. I was in labor this amount of time, and I went through this, and this is why you should revere me, and I don't want to hear that. I carried you and all of that stuff. like that. And I get that. And that's, it's, it's, it's, it's almost, uh, charming in the way that a mom,

like relates to a son or to a daughter reminds them the sacrifice that they made for her. Uh, but women shouldn't have to sacrifice their lives. Being a mother is a gigantic sacrifice. It's a given of your body. Um, it's given of your will, your time. It's given of a huge chunk of your soul. The parenting in it of itself is that. But this is just another situation where we're asking too much of our women. It's just another situation where we're asking too much of them, where they have to shoulder too much.

And it's not a problem that's an isolated occurrence. It's something that is statistics show a nationwide trend, a worldwide trend. of black maternal mortality. And we have to just, we have to address it in a completely comprehensive way. We have to address the medical care that we're getting prior to becoming pregnant. We have to address the environmental and nutritional deficits that we grow up in before someone gets pregnant. We have to address the way.

way doctors treat and relate to black people, black women specifically. Like black people aren't as healthy as we need to be. And there is, and part of that is because no one cares whether or not we live or die. Nobody gives a shit whether or not we live or die. So we have to care. And we have to push those people that we have, um, that we have empowered, uh, through policy through through elections, we have to push them to make sure that we care. So rest and peace to Tory, you know, we almost lost Serena Williams this way.

It got so bad. So I would love to have the representative on this podcast so that we can continuously have this conversation, a living conversation, a living conversation about black women living in childbirth and not in childbirth to see black people healthy and thriving and not just surviving in this country. But, you know, my heart goes out to everyone in the track and field community to the family of Tori. It's just, you know, I don't know, man.

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Are you surprised, Richard? No, but maybe this one. It's a conservative court. So no, but the one with the Indian, okay, I'm saying this so wrong. No, I'm not surprised. Interesting. I am. In the 7 to 2 decision, Supreme Court upheld the Indian Child Welfare Act against challenges that could have gutted tribal sovereignty and led to the adoption of native children into non-native homes.

the opinion by Justice Amy Coney-Barritt in the case of Highland versus Rakeen rejected all constitutional challenges brought by both foster and birth parents and the states of Texas,

Louisiana, and Indiana against the law. Now, you should say, maybe this is close to home, because Amy Coney Barrett has adopted two children from Haiti. She's got two black children.

children that live with her. And oh, that must be interesting. Okay. But the case involved, a challenge brought by foster parents, a birth mother and the state of Texas to the federal law that governs the adoption of native children who have been placed into the child welfare system. That law prioritizes the placement of native children into native homes, and is seen as a keystone of respecting tribal sovereignty and remedying the historic injustices committed by the U.S. government in separating native children

from their families. Quote, the Indian Child Welfare Act did not emerge from a vacuum, Neil Gorsuch wrote, in his concurrent opinion, but rather, as a direct response to the mass removal of Indian children from their families in the mid-20th century, which was in turn only the latest iteration of a much older policy

of removing Indian children from their families. Of course, Clarence Thomas dissented. Niggers are going to nigger. He was joined by Samuel Alito. The court is on a little bit of a streak, some would say. this is important, this is important to, this is important both symbolically and obviously directly to see the Supreme Court

respect the sovereignty of indigenous people to this country. I think they should be celebrated for building the cultural bedrock, which America was then built on. once they built on it really destroyed all those people to build their nation. But I think this was important. And I am surprised at the first year.

I guess I think that when children are, when it comes to children, that they're a little bit more understanding, I guess I should say. And to me, this, yeah, not, I mean, abortion, doesn't count. I'm not talking about the dog decision. Oh yeah. But that's not, but that's dealing with that's before they're born. So I, I feel like, and their

reasoning is for, is in, they would say advocating for the birth of the child for them. So I feel like with children, they seem to be a little bit more understanding Dobbs outside of it because I think that's a different, that's not apples to apples. So I wasn't shocked by it, but also like, this is so glaringly, like, wrong for them to decide the other way that I also wasn't shocked. I mean, what Native Americans have been through in this country and this whole policy of removing the children from their families so they could whitewash them has been going on since the early 19th century. And with the whole policy of kill the Indian, save the man. So, you know, Gorsuch really was outspoken in the fact that this is, like, this act was a direct

response for hundreds of years of mistreating Native American children, families, and culture, stripping them. If, if they allowed this to happen, they would literally be doing what was done in the early, starting in the early 19th century. They would be stripping Native American children once again from their families. They'd be doing the exact same thing. So to me, this was so obvious that this was the right thing to do. I'm not saying other decisions that they've done

the opposite of weren't the same way, but to me, I guess I wasn't as shocked that it was seven to two. So I don't have the information in front of me right now, but I'm going to go look and see how the Supreme Court like what their record

and shit happened to do what kids is. And I bet you I uncover some fucking. very, Rachel. I don't like the Supreme Court. I don't, no, I don't know. I didn't, I mean, I, I'm sure you will. I'm sure, I'm sure you will. But to me with this, it's like, come on.

Come on. I wouldn't put it past them. I wouldn't put it past them, but I wasn't like, shocked. Richard, do you know how many native people it's estimated that European settlers killed? I mean, indigenous people. I would imagine. millions.

56 million people. I don't know what's wrong with me this morning. I just, you know, I'm looking at these numbers and, you know, I'm, you know,

I'm happy about the results of this. This is very important. But they decimated them. They killed them all. How can we don't talk about that every day? I mean, not even in a,

just not even in a in a, not even in a once again, I'm not righteous. I'm not, I'm an asshole. I really am. But how come we don't talk about that every day? They killed all of them. They killed everybody.

I just came over here and killed up everyone. I get it. And the ones they didn't kill they tried to change. They literally tried to strip these. They tried to strip them from every single thing that related them to their culture. If they didn't kill them physically, they were killing them mentally.

They came over. They killed up everyone. Then for decades, they made movies where they were the bad guys. They being the people that got killed up. Yeah, you know, good on the Supreme Court. I'm glad, but, it's a it it it's tough i think it's the family unit is a is a central in maintaining cultural identity and practices so what you don't want to see is through forced assimilation or even

even not forced assimilation even like just like accidental assimilation or circumstantial assimilation or circumstantial assimilation to erode the cold of a people. You know, I see the indigenous people of this country, like, doing everything they can to maintain their culture, their way of life, who they are, who they've been, the remaining land that they have. You know, you think of things like Standing Rock. You think of all of these situations, you know, I just wish that we could respect the

humanity of people who weren't white. I don't know. It's early, guys. I haven't, like, I'm sorry. It's, I'm grouchy. I didn't get hardly any sleep last night. I flew in and there was no sleep. I couldn't sleep, Rachel. Do you, how do you sleep when you're on the flight?

When you're on, when you have to get off the flight. What do you do to sleep? Well, like you, I mean, I had a hard time going to sleep last night, too. But what do I do? I take melatonin. Okay, melatonin. That usually, it helps me. Is it?

Isn't that a fun word to say, melatonin? I guess. I didn't really thought of it like that. Have you heard about people who are using melatonin so they can go out and party, put their kids to sleep? Have you heard about this? Oh, they give it to their kids. Yes, I've heard that.

Isn't that wrong? Shouldn't you not do that? Yes, it's wrong. It's like I've heard before. Hey, melatonin, knock them out. And then you leave and go do your thing. I'm like, what the fuck? Guys, that's so wrong.

Isn't that party can't be that important? No, yes, yes. It depends on the party. Depends on the party. Is there a party that you feel like is worth knocking a child before? No. No. No.

It's a couple of parties. You've never party. Have you ever been in a party that was so good that you're like, I'm glad I don't have kids? Because I would be missing this. Sure. Have you ever been in any situation to where like sometimes, you know, we all want a family. Sometimes you look at your friends and he's like, nah, I can't. I got to be with the.

I'm like, aha, nigger. But I felt that way now, and now I look around. I look at my, I'm looking at my, I'm a look at the mirror sometimes. I'm looking at my reflection. I go, you childless bastard. Okay. You know, like sometimes, sometimes, oh, we, hold on. Are the four of us, are we zero children higher learning people?

Yeah. Donna, you don't have any kids? No, not yet. don't you know this about Donnie already? Would you know if Donnie had a child at this point? Not really, man. You never know with Donnie. Donnie's the type of guy that, like,

he just might not be talking about his kid. You know, Donnie would be the type of guy. His son would be named Samson or something like that. Nah, I got a kid. He's seven. His name is Samson. You know, he lives. I would bring Samson up every opportunity I could.

Of course you would. Y'all would be annoyed. with the Samson stories. Of course you would. But you're so private though, Donnie. You're so, like, you're very private. So I think maybe if you had Samson, if there was a lady from a previous relationship in Ann Arbor, and she had your kid,

and you might not talk about it. I don't believe that, Donnie. Not for one second. Yeah, I see where band is coming from. But, no, I still would, my kid, I know because I am private, But even if my kid and I were estranged, y'all still would be very well aware of his or her existence. You would just be like holding up pictures of the kid just crying. I wish I could be there for my boy.

I wish I could be there for my baby girl. But it would be so funny to get Donnie on some Tyree shit. You know, like we're talking about families and stuff. And then Donnie's in here like, yo, you know, I want to see my baby. but her moms her moms want to allow that to happen you know what I'm saying you know like we just get Donnie going

and then do y'all know niggas like that Ashley do you have any children No no children we would know I don't know that we would know Ashley is even more private I just can't get over this

I just can't get over this Ashley is even more private than Donnie man I don't know the name of one of Ashley's friends except for the white girls that she was I don't know Donnie's friends Donnie, who are your friends? Who do you hang out with?

I got friends named Travis, Ryan, Will Bostic. These is my versions of He's going to say the player proof crew. Are they all black or some of them white? No, they're all black. Travis, Ryan,

Boste, yeah. He didn't believe you. That's why he laughed at Travis. Oh, yeah. No. He thought Travis is white. Travis is. He said Will. Travis grew up around mostly white people, but he is very well a black man.

Travis, Ryan, and Will Bostic? Mm-hmm. Will. Chica Agi. I don't know why I forgot Chica. Chica Aggie as well. You're friends with Chica? Chica.

She hates children. This Chica is a man. He's a Nigerian man from Houston. Dr. Aggie, I should say. Oh, he, he going through it right now. because like the other Chica she had a shout out to her I'm not even trying to pile on

but she had a rough couple of weeks they were all over Chica I know y'all saw it did y'all see it? Yeah baby's on a plane Oh Rachel so oh yeah Chica was on

by the way I would like to say this though so I did not agree with what Chika tweeted but I do think that are the fact that we love to pile on had as much to do with the reaction to it

than what she said because I thought what she said was pretty whack but the fact there was a problem so Chica was on a plane with a couple of babies and she wasn't fucking with them babies I'm not even going to bullshit you she was like man these kids are screaming

and she said she was mean about kids and she was she tweeted it and then she said because their mother was promiscuous having the kids and fuck the kids and fuck the they screaming in my ear

I'm trying to rest. It turned out that the kids were T.I.'s grandchildren. It's true. Isn't that? What a weird, fucked up world we live in.

It's like, fucked up. Everybody was on her ass about the kids. It's like, I can't you talk about kids like that. And then they turn out to be two little black kids

that's Atlanta royalty and Chica did not move off her square and that might be it for Chica man and I don't think it's totally fair just because I think that you know sometimes people double down like once they're attacked and stuff and the pile is just crazy

everybody's piling on and piling on and piling on and she's been so open about the fact that she has us that she deals with mental health issues, but it was nuts on there. Rachel, how do you miss this stuff? It felt like everybody was talking about Chika.

Chica, chika. If it was on Twitter, I definitely missed it. I just like, sometimes you'll send tweets and I'm like, how does that even come up on his Twitter? I get on Twitter to try to like check the news and stuff. I don't know what I have to type

in, but I don't get these tweets. I don't see this. What kind of tweets do you get? What do you see? Go on your Twitter right now and tell us what you see. Okay. Ashley, go on your Twitter right now and tell us what you see. I want to know this is called Rachel's Twitter,

download with the sick ones. I want to know what's on your, what's on your, what's on my, what's on your timeline right now? What's on your timeline? Okay. Because I'll go to, I'll go to what's on my timeline and we'll see how our timelines are different. Okay. On the main timeline, I'm not going under,

trending. I'm going under for you. Just, no, don't go under for you. Go under what's, just go under the, what the, just go under the timeline, my niggins. I am. Oh, wait. Oh, wait. Timeline. Not, see, I don't even know how Sweden works. Like, the people I follow. Just the, yeah, just like, time. Oh, my God. Is that the timeline? Yeah. Well, yeah. Well, yeah. I hate Twitter. Okay. Okay. What's not what's trending. Not what's trending, but people.

I follow. Trending. There's a difference. Okay. So what's on your trending? What's your trending topics, right? Okay. Tell me what your trending topics is.

Gunna. Okay. Hashtack Friday morning. Friday feeling. Friday vibes. Good Friday. Friday motivation. Eva Longoria.

Okay. Rove. Okay. Finally Friday. First suit Friday. Happy. Friday. Okay.

Luna is free. What the fuck? Okay. Someone named Kim. I don't want to pronounce the name wrong, but Korean music. Doja, Juneteen, it is Friday, today is Friday. Sacred Heart of Jesus. I mean, do I just keep going?

Okay. So these are mine. Terence Howard, Evo Longoria, the CGI, the Flash. Doja, the Incredible Hulk, Connor, college board, Ray Lewis the Third, rest of peace of Ray Lewis the Third, man. Conquer Calf, Flashback Friday,

extraction two. This shows that I don't get on because all I have her like hashtags, you know what I mean? Like that everybody's Twitter morning, all mine are Friday stuff. This shows you I don't tweet or get on. Okay, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. You went for the four, you, oh, when you said for you. No, I didn't go for you. I went to for you. Okay, so you went to trending. Okay, wait for you. Okay, so when you went to the, you went to the trending for you. It's, it's, yeah, trending for you. What's, what's trending for Rachel? I have evil and goria, evil and gorya, cruel summer, Terrence Howard, Shannon.

Okay. Okay. Steph Curry. Okay. Pump. Pump rules. Secrets revealed. Pumpity, pumpity. That's Vanner Pump.

So that makes sense. Tiny desk. Fadry. Tiny desk. I got a housewife stuff in here. Connor. Doja and Tamara. Okay.

There you go. See, so look, I'm going to be honest with you. You, you, we need, we're going to do Rachel's Twitter. We're going to do that. No. I don't like it. I'm just going to bring. one Twitter thing to you because

maybe I need to let go because I was so into the Chica thing. Ashley, did you hear about the Chica thing or not? About it's just me in the Chica world. Did you hear about this? I heard. I didn't. No, I didn't hear about it. Ashley, what the fuck are you into? I mean, you're the same. Ashley has

you know, Ashley is the most soothing nigger ever. Ashley has the most soothing life. She's soothing. Oh, Ashley, did you go to the Denver Nuggan? it's parade? No. Oh my God. It was so crazy. I stayed away from that. Like, people were dying or something. I don't know. What? I heard somebody died. At the parade? No. Yeah. Yeah. Ain't nobody died that. Nobody told me that. Yeah. She probably saw that on her Twitter.

Probably saw it on Twitter. All right. No mailback. It's over. The podcast is over. I got to get some sleep. Let me tell you guys. something right now. You know, probably not my best podcast. I'll be honest. But I'm just kind of, you know, I look at the bullshit. I'm kind of sick of the bullshit, you know?

Same shit, man. It's like I'm looking at the shit. Well, it's going to get. What? It's going to get what? It's going to get worse. Well, no, because they're reporting that we're going to get some more opinions from the Supreme Court.

And it's some big cases that deal with social issues. You got affirmative, well, that's education as well, but affirmative action. They're expecting this today, by the way. So if we don't cover it, guys, this is why they're expecting it, which would make sense. It's a Friday. Affirmative action. Student loan forgiveness. And whether businesses can deny queer people.

Not people in general, but I'm sure it. It's about, it's... Say, bro. The Supreme Court about to pull a John Starks. I'm just telling y'all, the Supreme Court about to get more angry. The Supreme Court about to go over three, man.

Like right now somewhere. That's why they probably gave you this one, this seven two decision, because they're about to hit everybody hard. Just when everybody was praising the Supreme Court right now. Everybody's praising, oh, look what they did when they should have done this. And they're about to hit hard. hit him with that

let me tell you something if if the Supreme Court fucks it off today I want to hear from the judge I want them on the podcast that's not going to

it's not going to stay it's the Supreme Court where is he on the tier is he on the tier like is he like a tear away from being on the Supreme Court the tear he's a federal judge

no no no no no no no he's there's the Court of Appeals before him so is there any chance that your dad could be on a Supreme Court in the future? No. I mean no. I mean, no. You don't know, nigga.

Like, why are you playing? Why are you playing them like that? First off, stop. Could it happen? Yes. But it's not. Let me tell you something. Judge, if you can hear me, if you can hear me, Judge, this is your

adopted son van. Okay? I believe in you. Judge Lindsay. And if Judge Lindsay, if you go to the Supreme Court,

bro, it's going to be, I will be your Harlan Crow. You know? I will be your, if your pops go to the Supreme Court

is lit. Are you kidding me? If your pops, think about that. Oh, I'm in the family. Right now, I'm not in the family.

But, like, if he goes into the Supreme Court, I'm going to be around here flicking cigarettes and, police face. I don't even smoke. I don't even smoke.

I'll keep, like, I swear to God, I'll keep like a pack of cigarettes in the car just to flick it in the police face. Pull me over. Hey, I just pull out,

as soon as the cops pull me over, I just start smoking. There's a light of a cigarette. Hey, you mind rolling down the window? Yeah, what you want? You know how fast you were going? Fuck no.

Boom. Sir, get out of the call. I don't think you want to do this. I'm just letting you know. Oh, my gosh. I don't think you want to. Man, where are you doing? I'm going to tell you right now.

Hold on. I'm going to tell you right now. I don't think you want to tell you. I don't think you want to do this. I don't think you know who I know. And get the judge on the phone. Judge Lindsay of the Supreme Court. Yeah, I pull out another cigarette.

Boom. Flicket in his face. All right. I apologize for this podcast. I'm tired. I'm sick. I'm sick. We're going to come correct next week.

Before we go. Because we don't have a lot to talk about. Let me know about Tuesday. Kim Powers, our post-Juneith episode. Oh, Juneteeth is on Monday. Rachel, are you coming to the Van Lathen, Lawrence Bender, Trayvon-Free, Juneteenth party on Monday? Yeah, I rarely miss a party.

Yeah. So we'll be together on Junete. I'll say a few words. Oh, will you? Yeah. Wait, so is this a turn-up or is it like a- Oh, no, no, no, no, it's a turn-up. It's a turn-up.

Okay, I'm like, do I need to come dressed in certain colors? Nah, man, it's going down. Shout out to Lawrence Bender. Yeah, you know how you could tell it's going down? Because y'all won't release the location. You have to RSVP to get the location. That's how you know it's going down. Nah, it's going up.

Ben, Nick, Lawrence is going up. Everybody going to be there. So, nah, it's going up. But on Tuesday, we have a very special interview with one of the co-directors of Across the Spider-Verse. Kim Powers is going to be on the podcast. That's going to be your Juneteenth episode on Tuesday. For now, you've got to take your thin caps off.

We cannot stop learning. I'm Van Lathen Jr. I'm Rachel and Lindsay. Bye, guys.