Higher Learning with Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay - The Double Standard and Felicia Enuha on Corporate Life

Episode Date: April 4, 2023

Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay react to the outrage toward LSU’s Angel Reese compared to Iowa’s Caitlin Clark following the NCAA national championship game (17:42). Plus, ‘Bachelor’ creator Mike Fleiss exits the show after an investigation into racial discrimination (59:06). Then, comedian and podcaster Felicia Enuha joins to discuss hosting the ‘Trill MBA Show’ and navigating the workplace as a Black woman (1:19:16). Hosts: Van Lathan Jr. and Rachel Lindsay Guest: Felicia Enuha Producers: Donnie Beacham Jr. and Ashleigh Smith Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Yo, yo, yo, thought warriors. Harleurian is on as Rachel scrambles to get ready. Just no respect. You ask me if I'm ready. I can't even get an answer out before you start the podcast. It is I, Van Lathan Jr. And it's me, Rachel Lindsay. We have a great guest later on.

Felicia Anua from the Trill NBA podcast. She's here to teach black women. how to rise up in that corporate lab. It's a good conversation. Yes. She's one of my gym friends. I met her at the gym. Do you have gym friends, Roger?

I'm not a part of a gym. Do you have workout buddies at all? Who do you work out with? I just got a new trainer's name's Cody. Shout out to Cody. Just started working out with him. So I guess that's my buddy. I like yoga friends.

Yoga friends. Like people I'll go to yoga with. Pilates friends. Yeah, Pilates. I really like Forma. Certain things like that. What is that? It's like it feels like private Pilates.

I mean, it is. Max four people. Two to four people can be in a class and they're like specialized reformers that different from some of the other Pilates classes. The first time I had used one of those machines, I love it.

It's not intense work out. Intense. Super intense. Super intense. Yeah. And you go with your friends. Usually like Whitney. Whitney's the one who introduced me to it.

So you do what Whitney says to do in terms of stuff. Whitney is a big wellness. Like she's my wellness friend. So I usually go. So I usually go to Whitney when I'm like, if there's a new facial or massage or have you heard of this product or is this good. Like Whitney is my go-to friend for that. Is this Whitney Bischoff Angel?

No. Which Whitney is this? Whitney Franz Way. Yes. Whitney Franz way. Like this weekend on Saturday this weekend I was with Whitney in Malibu. What did you guys do? Just relax talking.

catching up. Whitney was eliminated in week six during the two on one day. What the fuck? They got rid of Whitney's ass. Why? I thought Whitney was going to go so far too.

But she didn't. I'm surprised that she didn't go further. What's that say about her? She made top seven. So that's pretty far. I'm looking at your Instagram for as much as cool as you are.

Whitney ain't never posted you. I'm only saying this, because some people don't post their friends and stuff. I don't always post my friends. I don't post a lot of my family and all of that stuff. I was with Whitney on Saturday. Neither one of us posted it before. Yeah, I posted it before.

And I see Whitney post this big ass cookie on December 26, 2022. Now you got me curious to go look. Whitney posted this big ass cookie. But I don't, I don't see you on this bitch. I'm going to be real. And I wouldn't trip, but I see her other friends on here. Yeah, that's like her wellness click group of friends. Like they travel together, they go on trip, they do all the things.

I'm like adjacent to those, even though one of the girls is there with me. They've been everywhere. They've been skiing. Three peas in the pot. They've been the different places, big cookies, holiday checks mix she made. You know what I'm saying? Why are you? Get off Whitney's face. I'm saying we're talking about Whitney, you brought it up.

And now I'm saying, a lot of these look like. But you're falling into that trap of, oh, if they don't post you, you're not really friends. I definitely don't think that because you don't ever post me. And like, sometimes people don't post, but I'm just saying in this situation. You didn't catch what I did. What? You were a part of one of my ads. Calica did.

She goes, is that us on the wall? I did an ad for me. QVC. Rage was back a couple of weeks ago. I did an ad for mixed tiles about these framed photos that you can stick to the wall. And I framed the photo of us, all of the NAACP Awards, looking so good, frames and put it up on our wall. Like I said, that's so nice. See, I do.

Whitney is in this picture with Helen Owen, Alyssa Lynch, Sammy Clark, and Amanda Panda Page. And they look like they are a white girl heaven. Helen was with us this weekend, too. Who is Helen? Girl, you named. Oh, Helen. She's with us as we can. Helen Owen?

Mm-hmm. Are all of these bachelor people? No, only Witten. Only Witten. But they're all. Helen Owen got 1.5 million followers. Yeah. She's a, they're like, she and her now fiancé, they just got engaged, are like those travel couples that you see.

They go, people pay them to go around the world, and they take pictures and videos. I don't like it. I don't like those couples, man. Why? What's happening? I don't like those. couples. When we were going to Greece, I tried to research and look at those couples.

Something off, man. Something off about those people. What do you mean? Give me more. So I would look at the videos, right? And there were like two different pockets of people. The one pocket of person was, this is how you go to a place for $35. Okay. And I appreciated them because it was really cheap as fuck. It's like, I'm not going to Greece and staying. It's like, here's the thing.

You'll see all, and it would be so funny, you'll see all of these hotels, and they're beautiful cliffside hotels, but you don't have to do that. If you're willing to drive, an hour and 45 minutes, you can get to this place for $37 a night. Look at this, we were able to, here,

don't worry about that. You might have to flick a couple of roads. It's part of the local charm. And then those people, I fucked with more. See the other people, the two fucking curated. The, like, curated, amazing-looking white people. I found this black couple I thought was really cool. The amazing-looking white people with no fucking, fucking fat on their body that are staying in the most expensive sweets,

it makes me not want to do whatever they're doing. I don't like it. I don't know why, but I don't like, I'm going all around. Oh, this is how you stay in Emirates. You know, like we lay back with emmerence. We're so happy. So they stub your toe. So you don't like influencers.

Not really. Because that's what they are. They get hired to go to these places, take these amazing pictures, and make people want to have the experience that they're having. I think influencing should only be a job for black people. I think white people. Keep going. Why?

I think white people have had too much luck. in America to be able to have it be a job to fucking go to San Turin. You need a little bit more struggle than that. That should be a black person's job. We should be able to have the jobs of going everywhere, living the lap of luxury and just chilling. I don't know why I didn't enjoy it.

I will say when it comes to influencing me as a part-time influencer at times. You know, you're full-time. When I hear what other people who come off the same show that I did make and I was a lead, but they don't look like me. They're white. The opportunities that they have, the brands that come to them, the amount of money that's offered to them, when I hear people say like, oh, I made like over a million this year on social media. And I'm like, what? I don't even come anywhere in close to that. I have a totally different brand that's

different from yours that could be more attractive and attract more people. But it doesn't matter. So, you know, they're winning in corporate. They're winning in America. They're winning in influencing. Shout out to Whitney, who is a very nice person. Yeah, no. She is great. From Minnesota, something we talked about on this.

Interesting. Something we talked about. She's from Minnesota. Made sense. Maybe it was her. We'll talk about what we talked about as far as Minneapolis, Minnesota later on when Felicia joins us. What did you do?

What you did you? I worked. I worked. I have to work Paley Fest. So I had Mandelorian on Friday. Nice. Pedro didn't talk. So that was a bummer. Yeah, you didn't want to do it. I had, and then Saturday I was in Malibu. Brian was sick. I think Brian had food poisoning.

That food poisoning. He doesn't eat. He was sick. All he eats is meat. He does a carnivore diet. He does a carnivore diet. So he got sick Thursday. And I mean, like, I don't. never had food poisoning before. So he was just out. Friday, Saturday, got him settled. Yeah, yeah, he's better.

Got him settled. Then I went to Malibu for a couple of hours. And then Sunday I had to work, Haley Fest. James Corden, late, late show coming to an end and Grace Anatomy. Sweet. I did nothing. I hung out. Me and my writing partner wrote yesterday.

Fantastic. I watched the game. I'll talk about that later. I thought you're talking about the TV show. Saturday, I boxed. Got in there. Boxed around with my homie Jimmy from the UK. He's got a fight coming up.

Shout out to Jimmy. And then after that, you just took a drive. Sometimes I was just like to drive. We drove up near Palis Verdes. Came back down. Where's that? That's south. Okay.

You know, near Torrance, but it's close to the water. You drive up to him. Hill Palsbury's is a nice hideaway for the rich, the rich here. Kind of a chill weekend. All these weekends are going to be chill for. Like purposely? Yeah, yeah. All these weekends are going to be chill.

There's, you know, maybe their energy concerns. Look, all of these weekends are going to be chill. I'm chilling. Okay. I'm feeling great. Your birthday's coming up? My birthday's coming up. April 16th.

It's a fantastic situation. I Sunday yesterday it was a good day Okay good It's a good day to get work done on a show that I'm developing Okay It was a good day to bask in the joy Of more absolute domination and achievement From Louisiana State University

The women Angel Reese and company Became the best number one top of the mountain in college basketball destroyed America's heart and soul and snatched victory and brought it back

to the bayou. We snatch victory, we bring it back to the bayou. We take all of your hopes and dreams and we feed it to a fucking alligator is what we do. We take everything that you think you're about and we hold you down

under the waters of a swamp and suffocate you. But that was a lot of fun. Yeah, I loved every bit about it. Of course, we're going to talk about all the bullshit that came along with it. But the weekend was cool. So when Brian has food poisoning,

do you, like, take care of him? As best as I can, but there's only so much you can do. You know what? Why it's that funny? What's the cutoff, Rachel? So, so, like, what's the show? People think I am so extreme. Wait, wait, just because look, look, look.

If I called Brian right now, he'd be like, yes, no, she really took care of me. So just, it's not, obviously, I know that, but it's that answer. So, so that's such an easy yes. You're saying? That's a very easy yes. I said, how did you take? That's not what I said. When Brian gets sick, do you take care of them?

Yeah. That's not what you said. Your answer was, as best I can. But there's always so much I can do. I'm not even talking to, I'm just letting you know that people are people in. That sounds wild. Does that not sound in the control? Does that not sound wild?

Donnie. We're Donnie. Donnie. Yeah. That sounds a little wild, right? It did. It was wild and honest, but I appreciate the honesty. Let me explain myself.

My thinking was, I mean, he had food poisoning. There's only so much that I can do. I guess is what I'm thinking of. Like, he's sick. I can't get in the way. All I can constantly do is say, are you okay? Do you need anything? So that's what I kept saying.

Do you need anything? Can I bring you water? So I ordered immediately water, pedi, paedia, like, gatorade, all the fluids. He couldn't keep anything down. I ordered him bone broth. So I would keep, I would just constantly keep checking on. So you took care of him.

Yeah, I did take care of him. You absolutely did. I did. But I guess I just feel bad because, like, my mother-in-law calls me, and she's like, Brian's sick, is he okay? And I'm like, yeah, no, he's Saturday, so he's like he's gaining strength. He's standing outside. He's getting in the sun. You know, I've ordered him soup. I've ordered him rice. You know, some toast.

I'm constantly checking out on. She's like, okay, but you're not going anywhere today, are you? And I was like, excuse me? I am. I have things to do today. What am I'm supposed to do? Sit outside of his door. He's sleeping, eating, watching TV. Sleeping, eating, watching TV. My job is just to make sure he is comfortable. He has everything. he needs and then I got to go take care of some stuff. No? Am I supposed to sit outside in a way? No.

I waited on him hand and foot. Okay. Okay. Play this out. Just to a degree. Let's just, let's just roll it out. Okay. So the mom is obviously going to be on the side of the top.

Of the top. Of the top. Where did you go on? So when was this? So he got sick Thursday night. I was at the GLAD Awards. Okay. Loved being there to support as an allies.

Fantastic. When I'm on my way home, you know, I'm checking in. And he's like, I'm sick. So he got sick that night. Friday, I had to go to work. So I left him at home. Okay, Saturday is the day one question. But I made sure he was okay.

Saturday he was starting to move around and feel better. Yeah, he was like standing outside. He started to eat. solid food. Right. He could hold stuff down. Okay. So I stayed with him

until 2 o'clock and then I left for a few hours to get to Malibu, to get to be out and about in nature. Then I came home at like a few hours later. Okay. So I don't have any issue.

Yeah. There's no issue to happen. I also didn't know that there was a sore spot between you and Mama Brian. Wait a minute. I didn't see sore spot. You felt plain when she said that.

Yeah, I was like, I go, I go. My response was, I think I said, I'm sorry, what? I think I said that. Like, it just spewed out of me. Like, it was maybe a little bit disrespectful, but I was like, almost like, I got, I'm making sure he's, I would never have left him. If he had been in the position, he was Thursday night. You wouldn't have gone.

I would have never. You wouldn't have gone. Because I would have been concerned, I kept saying is it your right side, like, because I know somebody who went to the hospital for appendicitis recently. I know somebody else who my sister's friend's husband passed away very recently from stomach pain, like got rushed to the hospital, 29 years old. So that was on my mind. So Brian had stayed like that for 24 hours. There's no way I would have left him. I wanted to keep an eye on. Right, right. Saturday, he was on the up. So when I asked the question,

did you take care of him? We're getting to the point, listen, because I, with you. You did what you're supposed to do. When you take care of him, when you said as best as good, what am I supposed to do? You weren't really answering me. You weren't answering Brian's mom. That's why I was like, God damn. I was like, when you said, I was like,

that was kind of weird. I was like, you said, yo, because I'm saying, that's therapy right there. He's like, exactly. You weren't answering to me. Yeah, I did. As best as I could, what do you want to do?

I'm sorry. I'm sorry. It's exactly what that was because in that moment she made me feel like I wasn't doing enough. I was like, I am so here

and making sure he's okay. I'm all about him making him better and his wealth and making sure he's good. We love you. I'm so exactly what I'm on his thoughts.

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See terms at fandul.com slash predict slash bonus dash offer dash herms. Okay, Rachel, did you watch the game? No, because I was working. Didn't see it. It's working. For those of you who don't know, Caitlin Clark is a fantastic, inspirational once-in-a-generation

basketball player for my mom. She's amazing. She plays the game in a way that they just don't have enough adjectives to describe. She was able to capture the imagination of everyone who's watched her this year. There's not enough

amazing things you can say about the way Caitlin Clark plays. Iowa, which is a team that's pretty talented, but not nearly on the level of like the South Carolina. They were able to beat South Carolina on Friday because Caitlin Clark just wouldn't allow Iowa to

use. When she wasn't scoring, she was passing. When she wasn't shooting from deep, she was breaking down the defense and getting in and getting layups. She's an unbelievable. Right. Unbelievable. All that shit is over because she ran into

the Lady Bengals from LSU and they did what the fuck they were supposed to do. 102 to 85. Kaelan Clark had a good game, not a great game. She scored, but she wasn't very efficient. She had a good game, she had a good game, not a great game, an LSU, a team that was on fire from deep and features one of

college basketball's best players on the court. And I would argue the most, important cultural figure in women's college basketball, Angel Reese, the Bayou Barbie. We won the game. We're flat out better than Iowa. Fuck it.

The game got overshadowed by two things. Number one, the officiating of the game was terrible. Like anybody who watched the game realizes that the refs were way too involved in the game. You can talk about who that helped or who that benefited. You know, the game ended up, we ended up winning the game by 17 points.

I don't think the officials were, that big of a factor in a 17-point difference. LSU was better than I would have, better basketball team than I. Okay. But after the game is where a lot of this started to go left. During the game,

Angel Lewis, the Bayou Park in LSU. She was going at, Kailen Clark. Let's be honest, what's going to be. She was going to. Kailen Clark did the Tony Yeo. Everyone that says you're, that's the John Cena, you are culturally clueless and you're getting on my motherfucking nurse.

She did the Tony A.O. Kailen Clark did that to the Tony, did Tony A.O. to a team in the game. And Andrew Reese did it to her a bunch of times and pointed to her a ring thing. She's the queen. She has a ring. And she gave her the, you can't see him sign.

Everybody lost their fucking minds. Classless. Piece of shit. Idiot. Oh, I saw that, Donnie. We'll talk about that. all of that stuff. I know. I was looking at right now. Classeless, piece of shit, idiot.

All of this stuff was happening. And it sparked a debate about misogy noir and how the world reacted to Andrew Reese with compared to Caitlin Clark. Your thoughts.

Were you surprised? Let me ask you this. Were you surprised once you saw the way that with Angel, she was giving it right back to her, she's obviously excited. She's in the moment.

You know how that is. both of us used to compete on the court. Were you surprised? Did you know, well, let me ask you this. Because I didn't get to watch the game in real time. When you saw that, did you know exactly what the reaction was going to be on social? No, I didn't know what the reaction was going to be on social. I assumed that the reaction to LSU spoiling Kailen Clark's coronation wasn't going to be a positive one from a lot.

of people. There are so many people that were into Caitlin Clark. And let's just be honest. She's white. She's white. She's out there. She's taking down everybody. No one can guard her. South Carolina didn't have any answers for it. And that's

captivating in a different way for audiences than when black athletes do. That's just a fact. It is a fact, right? And so the fact that she ran into a brick wall, some people were going to be upset about it. And I think they were they took the emotion that they had from Caitlin Clark not being able to get it done

and said, oh, and look who it was that beat her, these bunch of jigiboues from South Baton Rouge. And I mean, and that might sound like I'm being harsh, but some of this stuff was way, way, way out of bounds, way out of bounds. And when you kind of boil it down, a lot of it is just overtly, overtly racist. Yeah. I mean, the response that people were having on social media, which is where I came in and I saw it because I didn't get to watch the game.

So immediately when I'm done, I'm on social trying to figure out like, oh, what happened, getting recap of the game. And all I'm seeing is what happened with Angel Reese at the end of the game with Caitlin Clark. And I'm not surprised because this is something that goes beyond the course. court. It's not just the way that they treat black athletes or women athletes or black women

athletes. It's just how the standard for black women in every sector, I feel like, because it's like I could tell as old as time. Black women are supposed to be a certain way. They're supposed to not ruffle any feathers. They're supposed to sit, be in a certain box. They're not supposed to be too loud. They're not supposed to be too confident. They're not supposed to make you feel uncomfortable. but their counterparts, white women, can do all of that and are praised for it. I've talked about this before on the podcast, on my own experience of being on The Bachelor, and how when I said something, I was angry and negative and rude and this was the real me, but the opposite would do it, and they were praised for it.

They were empowering, confidence, somebody you looked up to, they were a role model. The standard has never been the same. So I wasn't shocked by this by any means, but I've seen people talk about it both ways, black versus white. I've seen people talk about it men versus women. But what I hope comes out of all of this is a conversation and acting on that conversation of the way the media, social media portrays these women. There was the clip, and I think, Donna, you have it, which you can play it on the way prior to this game of the

the perception of the conversation that was surrounding Caitlin Clark as she was coming into this game. Donnie, can you play the play the play with? We love to see a good clapback, right? And no one does that better than Caitlin Clark. Just a couple of days ago in her game against Louisville. She basically told Haley Manliff, you're down 15 points.

Shut up. We're going to go talk to some of her teammates to see what are some of your best Caitlin clapbacks or best motivations. Let's find out. The last game when she was like, you can't see me. The fact that, Caitlin Clark was praised that way

coming into this game. And in the moment that someone who doesn't look like her, who's a black woman, taller than her, more taunting her, I would say in a better way, then all of a sudden it's negative. And I think that you

hit the nail on the head when you talked about how this is overt in the way that people are responding to her. And the only difference is the way that they look. And it's a standard that, as I said, exists. in other sectors of society, but it's just blatant here in the way that the media was handling it between Caitlin and between Angel. And it's almost just exhausting, too, as far as the way that

everybody is playing this whole situation out, because I enjoy the rivalry. I enjoy the taunting. I enjoy the back and forth. I think it makes the game so much more exciting. And in so many other ways, we praise it, right? When guys do it on basketball, baseball, football, whatever sport it may be, we praise that. But then when it comes to women, they're supposed to act a certain way. And then when it comes to black women, you're held to an even higher standard to act a certain way. And the fact that they can't just play the game and this has become such a bigger deal. One, it is highlighting the conversation that we need to continue to talk about so hopefully things can change. But it just also shows you how unfairly black women in particular are treated as far as

athletes and just in general this time. Well, said, I'm going to get into one person. very specific reaction to this. And we're going to stay on this for a while. But before I get to that, I do want to hear from Andrew Reese so that she can have her say, Donnie, play Andrew Reeves addressing what she did on. I'm happy.

I mean, all year I was critique about who I was. Nobody, I don't, the narrative, I don't fit the narrative. I don't fit in the box that y'all want me to be in. I'm too hood, I'm too ghetto. Y'all told me that all year. But when other people do it, y'all don't say nothing.

So this was for the girls that look like me, that's going to speak up on what they believe in. It's unapologetically you. And that's what I did it for tonight. This was for more than, it was bigger than me tonight. It was bigger than me. Twitter is going to go in a rage every time. And I mean, I'm happy.

I feel like I've helped grow women's basketball this year. I'm super happy and excited. So I'm looking forward to celebrating in the next season. Let's talk about a couple of things that are here that I think are interesting. Number one, there is a sort of uprising of the saucy, spicy, white female athlete in college basketball. It's not just Karen Clark. It's also Hayley Van Lee's familiar. And people love it.

Is there a rise in it? I mean, something, when I say a rise, I mean, I've heard about those two players and their demeanor more. than I've heard about players like this in the past. I've heard about their demeanor. Like, Haley Van Lee is like she was mentored by Kobe. She plays like Kobe. Like the fact that she didn't make the All-American team, she was honorable mention All-American.

They asked me to get a good clip, a good sound bite from her from it. Caitlin Clark plays in a very swagged out, ragged-out, raggedo way, and everybody loves it, right? I guess I'm thinking of like Diana Tarasi. All of those players are the same. Like, Dana Tarasi has been around doing this and she's, that's, that's my generation's, you know.

Yeah. Yeah. Um, first of all, I think it's interesting that these women are cosplaying black culture anyway, right? If we look at like what's going on, they are, Haley Van Leith is doing her best Kobe impression. That's fine. That was one of her mentors. When you see Caitlin Clark, uh, she is literally, doing the Tony Ayo, whatever.

People think that that's a John Sina thing. John Sina got that from Tony Yale. I bet she doesn't know that. But what I'm saying is the way basketball culture is consumed and the players that they want to be like, they are representing and emulating black culture and the way black people act and the way we play basketball. And the way we play basketball where I'm from is I'm going to bust your ass

and then I'm going to tell you that I'm busting your ass. It's great to be when the game stopped. Maybe. Sometimes. Not all the time. And just as I'm busting your ass, I'm going to tell you that I'm busting your ass. I'm also, when you get a shout off, hey, that's a good one. I remember watching Jai against Luca.

Jai is on Luca. He's in Lucas' face. Lucas steps, left, steps, right, turn around, fallback jumper, scores. Jaya says, tough bucket, boy. Tough bucket, but I'm going to be there all night. a bucket. They're going to talk. They're going to talk sometimes when you get a bucket on it. There's going to be a talk. And by the way, if you came to the bottom and we were playing basketball or football or whatever and that game gets won, it's going to be like, yeah, good game, good game,

take that shit back cross town. Good game, good game, yeah, yeah, yeah. Y'all thought y'all had to take that shit back cross time. That's the way that it goes. So there's two things happening right here. Number one, America has, they have a, they have a tolerance. for how much black they want. They always want diet black. Always. And whether diet black is in a black person that is watered down

or whether diet black is from a white person who is emulating black people, America always wants diet black. And in this case, Kailen Clark is diet black. and Angel Reese is black with all the callers. Okay?

That's a black woman. So this kind of gets back to a conversation that we would have about allies. I'm going to talk about Keith Oberman in a second. I want people to know. And shout out to my brother, Jibril, for put me on this in this very way. whenever I will get mad about racial racial shit when it comes to like me. He would say,

bang, I want you to understand something. They don't like you. They don't think you're attractive. They don't think you're smart. They don't think you're interested. They are waiting. And they sometimes can't help. All of these people

that were mad about Angel Reese versus Caitlin Clark they weren't making that up. They were really mad. Yeah. Like this is their actual feelings. Their actual feelings is that one of these people is an exuberant, spunky, ultimate competitor.

And the other one is a piece of shit as Dave Portnoy, the president of bars to call her. Or a fucking idiot as Keith Olberman, former ESPN host, called her. like talking about a 20-year-old person. Okay? So like when we have conversations and I say, I don't want allies or I don't think that it's an achievable goal. It's not because I'm being obtuse or standoffish. It's because I don't think it exists.

And those invitations to the cookout that I love to give. Yeah. All of that stuff, that always blows up in your fucking face. And then you get to see what the real is. And the real is they just don't get you. And that's okay. They don't have to.

They don't get you. See what what Andrew Reese was doing? When we hooping, that's how we act. That's how we act. We don't do it in a way. I don't look, when I'm fucking over you, I don't look at your bench and give them the sign. I give it to you.

And I make sure you can see me. I make sure you can see me. I don't half ass it. I don't throw a stone and hide my hand. These are all things that black people talk about. Like, I don't do none of that. When I'm torturing you, you know you're getting tortured. If it's like that and we to that point,

I'm not fucking around like that. So if you want to play that game, And you decide that you're going to wave somebody off from South Carolina when they're about to shoot. If you want to play that game, if you're going to talk your shit, back it up, get your W or get the fuck off the motherfucking court. And when you lose, there's no decorum in it. She didn't call that girl out her name. She didn't physically push that girl. She didn't do anything like that.

She said, this is your shit. Now you can't see me. Come give me my ring. When Joe Burrow, when we won and Joe Burrow pointed to his hand, and said, give me my ring, was Joe out of line? Joe was the swaggiest, sauciest, quarterback, maybe player that we'd maybe ever had at LSU. And people loved them for it.

And they only change these dynamics when it comes to you. Because they really don't fuck with you. The best thing you can do is have, like, for me, is try to understand each other. Just make the effort to try. but all it is like you're one of the good people for men to women. Like it's not, I'm going to always disappoint black one. Despite my best laid plans, I'm going to always disappoint black one.

So the best thing that we can do is have conversations about that and about the boundaries that shouldn't be crossed. But handed out invitations to cookouts and, oh, this is my ally. That's what happens. And then you don't get posted on Instagram. This is what I will say. One, Caitlin Clark. And then you don't get posted on Instagram. What are you talking about?

Whitman. Okay, good one. Caitlin Clark, she, I just want to be clear. It's everybody else talking around her. She hasn't said anything. She kind of did. She said she didn't. All I saw, so I want to get it wrong,

is that she said she didn't see she was focused on shaking hands or getting into the line. Say exactly what she said. Donnie, do you have it? Give me the exact quote. And this is another thing right here. By the way, I love Caitlin Clark.

No, no, no. I have a point. I want to hear what she has to say too. Kinsey with USA Today again. Caitlin, can you tell us at the end of the game what happened? There's a lot blown up on Twitter about Angel Reese following you around,

pointing to her ring finger and taunting you? Honestly, I have no idea. I was just trying to get to the handshake line and shake hands. And, you know, be grateful that my team was in that position. You know, that's all you can do is, you know, hold your head high, be proud of what you did. And, you know, all the credit in the world to LSU. You know, they were tremendous. They deserve it.

They had a tremendous season. Kim Mulkey coached them so, so well. You know, she's one of the best basketball coaches of all time. And it shows. And she only said really kind things to me in the handshap. shake line, so I'm very grateful for that, too. But honestly, I have no idea. And I was just trying to, you know,

spend the last few moments on the court with, especially the five people that I've started 93 games with in relishing every second of that. Now, what Caitlin Clark could have done, she could have shot some bell. What she could have said is what Kobe or what's Steph Curry

when Chris Paul shimmied on Steph Curry. Do you know what Steph Curry saying? What? Steph Curry said, I shimmy. so I can't be mad if he sheds. Yes. So she could have shot us a bill. She chose not.

She could have said better. She also could have said worse. I guess the only reason I wanted to bring that up is because the way that you were talking it made it seem like because you were like, if you got an issue with it, get off the court. And the issue isn't Caitlin saying anything even in response to Angel. It's everybody else talking around it. And to your point about allies, I get what you're saying about allies.

we disagree on whether or not you can and can't be an ally. But if I'm looking at a Dave Portnoy or I'm looking at Keith Oberman, these are not the people that I was ever inviting to a cookout or considering an ally. Dave Portney has, we already, we talked about him on this podcast. He makes fun of, he's all the things, sexist, racist, like, he's completely offensive. So to your point about being an ally, him making that comment is right in line

with exactly who Dave Portnoy is. Keith Oberman, same thing. He's done a lot of controversial stuff too, which is why he's been out of ESPN and then MSNBC or where, and I don't even know what he's doing now. I think he says a podcast. So to make the comparison

or to bring the ally argument, I don't know if that necessarily fits here because I didn't see an example from someone who I'm like, damn, I'm shocked that they said that. Everybody else, it falls in line exactly who they are. So this is the thing.

Number one, I was surprised at Keith Oberman. And because Keith Oberman is an ultra-liberman. He's been wild. He's, and we'll talk about it. He's an ultra-liberal who is one of the most ardent critics, staunch critics of President Trump. And a lot of people would think, I mean, I saw this because I was following Keith Oberlin. Sure. And I've liked Keith Oberman since he's been on sports TV.

Keith Overman has shown. me that he's a piece of shit now. And I'll tell you why when I'll be digging to this. Last thing I'll say about this before I leave is it wasn't, for them, it wasn't just them. For me, it wasn't just them. Obviously Dave Portnoy is going to be Dave Portnoy.

But for me, what I'm talking about is, I'm talking about reactions from just people that I know that were like saying weird shit disappointed,

making fun, posting videos of the way Angel reacted, making fun of it. Like, it was different. They really are invested into Caitlin Clark because not just of who she is

and how she plays, we all love the way she plays. Sure. Because of who she is. And so for me, the reason why I always bring it back to that is because I'm saying there is a 100%

in my opinion disappointment rate when it comes to thinking somebody's on your side when they don't really get you. There are differences and these differences present in different ways. And so the best thing we can have

are not allies but treaties. You know what I mean? And that way, we're not all up in arms when something like this happens. This is a reminder of the fact that they don't think your nails are pretty.

They don't like your eyelashes. They don't. They want you to change that. They want you to look like them. They think they're pretty. They want you to make them feel comfortable. And the moment that you start making them feel uncomfortable

is when these attacks start coming. I know. I lived it. I understand. So let's talk about Keith Oberman real quick. Keith Oberman tweeted, what a fucking idiot. Okay.

So, Keith Oberman tweeted, what a fucking idiot as it relates to Andrews. All right. This is out of bounds and out of lines. for a lot of reasons. Number one, these are college athletes. I'm still the person that looks at directly calling a college athlete of that age. I don't know what you say about NIO, a fucking idiot. Um, as a no-no. Also, I look at Keith Oberman and I say, you must have some

balls on you to talk about that black lady like that. I don't think of what y'all say about me what y'all say? I'm not fucking going for that. Yeah. Okay? He has, like you said, been in trouble before. He was suspended from ESPN for a week in 2015 because he called students

that were raising money, raising millions of dollars for pediatric cancer at Penn State idiots. No, so he called them pitiful. He called them pitiful. And because he called them pitiful, he was in a cultural war with Penn State over the Joe Paterno situation. ESPN said, we're going to take him off the show for a week.

But here's a deal, though. He apologized. He said, I apologize for the PSU tweets. I was stupid and childish and way less mature than the students who did such a great fundraising job. All right. He has also addressed what he said about Caitlin Clark. Excuse me, about Angel Reese.

I apologize for being uninformed last night about the backstory on this. I don't follow hoops, college or pro, men or women. I had no idea about Clark. Both were wrong. This is kind of what I'm talking about. You might have not been surprised that Keith Oberman did this, but a lot of people I know, black colleagues that worked with him at ESPN,

they were surprised. Do you remember what he said about Trump? The clip to Kent paper. Yeah. Tell people what he said. So he tweeted back in 2020, I guess this was right around the election that he, it was a retweet, someone else, a quote tweet, and he said that Donald Trump has been and will always be on the day of his bid for re-election still is a whiny little kuntikente.

Yeah. Which shocked people, because remember, he's supposed to be one of the good ones. Right. So he's not a stranger to making it offensive statements. Liberal doesn't necessarily mean you're an anti-racist. Absolutely doesn't mean that. First of all, there's no such thing that's being anti-racist.

People are people. You can try to show up as best as you can, but the conditioning that America gives you when it comes to this stuff is so overwhelmingly powerful that you're fighting against so many different things that I feel like we need to focus

on smaller victories. When he looked at this and when he said this, he didn't apologize for calling that young black lady a fucking idiot. He didn't apologize for him. He apologized for not, for being uninformed last night and not knowing the backslip.

So when it comes down to saying that you're sorry, the kids at Penn State are worth an apology. And they're worth an admission that you were being challenged, which obviously cursing a college athlete out on Twitter is. But Angel Reese, is not worthy of that. Not only that, but I want to make sure people know. He doubled down on his podcast.

Donnie, give me that audio. Scored 40 points and had triple double and made a wrestling gesture towards her opponents, meaning you can't see me. Last night, Reese and LSU beat Clark in Iowa for the national title, 102 to 85, and Reese made the same gesture to Clark and added another one indicating she was getting the championship ring. Reese was named MVP of the tournament, and I'm not sure anybody. will remember that, nor the fact that LSU won the title, just the fact that women's hoops

has now achieved parity with the men. Its stars can also be classless winners who are willing to overshadow their own team's ultimate victories. This motherfucker is out of line. I'm not shocked by him. I'm just not. I guess I don't expect much from Keith Oberman. I'm not saying it's okay.

I think it highlights that some people are just so comfortable talking in such a disrespectful way to black people and don't think anything of it would never fix their mouth to say that about any other person and then I guess to make it worse you didn't have context

so you're telling me all you saw was a video of a girl waving her hand in front of her face and pointing her her hand and you had no context and for that you said that's a fucking idiot

yeah what the like that's even worse to me that you did it with no context right that you had no clue what was going on. You just saw that black woman who was taller than black, a woman to a smaller white girl. Woman, I should say, excuse me, woman.

These people don't love y'all. Y'all want them to love y'all. I'm telling you. Don't y'all me. Y'all want them to love y'all, man. I'm telling you, y'all want. If we're looking at Dave and Keith. It's not about Dave and Keith.

Y'all want them to love y'all. Y'all wanting to love y'all is not about that is not you there's there's a thing to where and we talked about we're going to talk about this a little bit when we talk about Felicia and Felicia makes some amazing points and she's an amazing black woman but we still want the acceptance of white America part of even my reaction if I'm being honest to all of this is that white America refuses to accept parts of white America, parts of them refuses to accept who Angel Reese is.

True. Like, part of White America who refuses to accept Angel Reese and not just her, but the entire LSU women's basketball team. Like, this was like Uncle Luke said,

this was UNLV versus Duke if you look at this. The fact that I know that there's this deep sense of inequity that exists, that's what the thing is that I want her to be understood. I want her to be accepted. I want it to be okay to be Angel Reese.

And in my soul, I know that for a lot of people, it's not. And it wouldn't have mattered what the fuck she had done. True. Like the women from South Carolina just go out there and play, and they get called, according to Coach Don Staley, thugs and bar fighters. all that just from the way they actually played the game. Well, Iowa coach said

it was like a bar fight. Allison coach said it was like a bar fight, right? Just for the way that they play the game. Right. So when I see all of this, that's why last night I was in hog heaven. I love the tears. Fucking cry. Your cup was full. Oh my God.

My cup was full. Fucking cry. Cry. This is what I will say. We do not agree on the ally stuff. But what I would hope people stop doing, and that goes from the clip that Donnie played earlier of the way they did a whole package

on Caitlin Clark being the clapback queen. First off, the examples they were giving, that's not even the definition of a clapback. It's not even what clapbacking is. But the bar is so low that she can just do a little bit and it's praise. That is what I will agree with you that we have to stop doing.

When people dance a certain way, when they dress people, white people dress a certain way, talk a certain way, dance a certain way, play basketball a certain way. We can't automatically praise them and say that, you know,

like, as if they're one of us. We have to, we have to gate when it comes to that. And I think we do that too often. We're so quick to praise them for just a little bit of things that they do, that's not, there are things that they do that aren't walking the straight line. We have to let

go of that. I'm not going to go as far as the ally thing, but I will say, we got to stop doing that. We got to let it go. So before we move on to the ridiculous thing that Jill Biden just said, just fucking, okay. I want to give you guys an example of something.

I read this on Outkick. Oh, what's you doing over there? I love Outkick. No, Outkick was talking about Caitlin Clark. Who wrote the article? I can't remember. Al Kik was talking about Caitlin Clark.

Actually, I can tell you right now. It's by Mike Gunzellman. Mike Gunzellman over there at Outkick. XRB6. This article is about people's reaction or what he might think people's reaction would be to Caitlin Clark

disrespecting the South Carolina three-point shooter, who actually came along. in the second half and made some three. She made some three. Shout out to me. By waving her off and saying whatever, whatever. Now, when you're on the basketball court, it's not that big of a deal. No, not at all.

And it's not that big of a deal because I'll say all kinds of shit. If you can't shoot, I'd be like, ah, he would us. You know what I mean? Like, oh, he would us. He with us. Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, lead that, lead that, lead that. Lead that. I'm trying to make you shoot the ball. Because I know that you can't shoot.

Every single basketball, I didn't just break, every single basketball. player knows that, knows that. When we're kids, self-check, self-check, self-check, like, you don't even have to do nothing. You want them to shoot. You're trying to get somebody out of their game. This is what they wrote about this.

But the bottom line is this isn't a recreational basketball league. This isn't elementary school. This is the damn final four. Caitlin and the rest of the women have been working their whole entire life for this. Sure, it's a cold move. And I'm sure there will be phony outrage by the whole leader. than dial in sports media to make her apologize. But what for? This is sports, one of the highest competitive levels of women's basketball. Hell, more people care about the NCAA winners

tournament than the actual W&B. Do you think Michael Jordan would apologize if he did something like that? What about Kobe Bryant? Hell no. Every single athlete interview and book about the two of them all said the same thing. They were relentless on the court. That killer instinct-like personality is exactly what made Jordan and Kobe to the greatest players in the history of the I actually agree with it. Was he talking about Angel? Who's talking about Caitlin?

Who is he saying should not apologize? Caitlin Clark shouldn't apologize for waving off. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's what he was saying. Okay, there's a show called Hot Mike on Outkick, Hutton and Withrow. Okay. I listened to what they had to say about Caitlin Clark.

Donnie, play a little bit up. I can't think of an example of anyone in sports going directly to someone as respected as Caitlin Clark or anyone in flaunting that way when winning a title. You know, there's a lot of trash talk that happens over the course of a game or you hit a three on someone, you do something. Words or exchange fights happen. what Caitlin Clark did in one swoop of the face that was captured by ESPN towards either her bench, the scores table, or one Louisville player, I can't really tell, is quite a bit different than Angel Reese following her around the court when the seconds are ticking off trying to get her attention to show her what she's doing and pointing to the ring on her finger that she'll now have. So the two are not equal. Again, I think too much is being made of the Angel Reese thing.

I wouldn't want my player doing that. Now, that's how they thrive. That's enough. Oh, I was like, dang. It's okay. It's talking about Ellis. Okay. You're always going to be too much for me.

Always. You're always going to be too much. You're always going to be too much. It's always going to be, hey, it wasn't as bad. This is okay, but it's across the line. You're always going to be too much. Just read your article praising Caitlin Clark for demoralizing, her opponents because that's what you do at the highest level of competition.

But Caitlin Clark, a player of her stature as if Angel Reese didn't just get most outstanding player. Is if she's supposed to have some deference to her. Andrew Reese set a record for double doubles, right? She's supposed to have some deference to her. No, she's supposed to kill her on the basketball court. And if you want to stand over her corpse, it's on you. but I don't get it.

Jill Biden wants both teams at the at the White House. Joe. So the champions go to the White House. Joe. So what happens when you go to the White House. Right, right, right, right. Jill Biden spoke Monday

at the Colorado State Capitol in Denver. She praised Iowa sportsmanship. I know we'll have the champions come to the White House, we always do. So we hope LSU will come. But you know, I'm going to tell Joe, I think Iowa should come too because they played such a good game. It's not going to happen. The fuck!

Jill, why don't you just go ahead and invite everybody who played in March Madness? Because everybody played a good game. Everybody did well. This is not where sportsmanship comes into plays. like a right of, like this is what happens. You went, you go to the White House, you meet the president. It's like part of the trophy. It's part of winning.

Not because people played a good game. Joe, get your girl. Look, man. They keep, they keep proving me right, Rachel. Now the White House, Jill Biden,

who's not, I guess she has influence, I don't know. I don't want to be a misogamous, but I don't think that, they're going to listen to Jill Biden so I don't know how that works no they're not it's not being a misogynist

it's just like I'm saying I'm saying it'll be a dancer for you guys I see some fucking fat boy if Kamala said it it wouldn't matter like it's not it's not

nah nigga fuck that no you can't do that now no hell no if kind of like no no no my point is

if Kamala said this right now I bet I had better not say shit no my point is it's not up to either one it's not up to either one one of them is my point. It's up to either one of them. So you're not being a misogynist. It's up to what I'm saying is

that now we're going to let what the, they lost. No, they don't get to come to the White House. LSU in the White House. Get the gap, motherfucker. Like, no, it's no, it's not, they don't get to come to the White House. Ain't no coming to the White House. Ain't no coming to the White House.

I feel like I can't even pay attention to this. Like Jill's just talking, can we all just get along? That's literally the equivalent of that. By the way, I don't want people to think, I want to make sure I clarify something. It's all love. But what I'm saying is, don't set yourself up for failure. It's all love. Hey, man, me and Corey chill, I talk, you know, it's all love.

But what I'm saying is, stop bumping your head up against the same wall with these motherfuckers. You know what I'm saying? It's like, I get so mad, Rachel. I see. people all on Twitter talking about Angel Reese ain't about this Angel Reese ain't about that my young and a tiger

on Pemak in them he say they say she don't be putting in no work shut the fuck up y'all niggas don't know shit all y'all motherfuckers talking about Angel Reese ain't no hit her Andrew Reese ain't this, Andrew Lisa Lisa fake

y'all know she got double doubles like in and out been rubbing Ellishu since like I don't know win. The next motherfucker talk shit about Angel Reese. I'm straight beating

their ass. I catch another nigga talking sweet about Angel Reese. I'm going up with your shit. You know how keep me rolling

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that the Bachelor creator, Mike Fleiss, he's a part of the franchise after. Well, first, it was announced that he was leaving the franchise, right? He put out a statement. His contract was up. and it seems that he was turning over, you know, giving the reins over to other people who had been a part of the organization and he's going to let them take the lead,

almost as if it was time for him to move on. It was a very nice statement. Then Variety comes out, and they say, oh, no, there was a reason as to why Mike Flies left. And it's being reported that he left because it was after an investigation into racial discrimination.

So according to Variety, a number of employees had complained to human resources about Mike Flies, which led to a thorough investigation that was conducted by an outside party. They spoke to current producers on the show. They also spoke to former production staffers as well. They complained about Fleiss's bullying behavior and his resistance to increasing diversity on the show for the last two decades.

They say that he would say things, quote, like, minorities don't get ratings. So, of course, you're like, well, Rachel, what's your response? I have publications hit me up. Would you like to give a response? A comment, a comment. I mean, what is my comment going to be? Well, duh.

Of course this is the case. I came on the show, and it was 15 years before that, not one person of color had been a lead. Who's in charge of the show? Who's over the whole thing? It's Mike Fleiss. Chris Harrison at one point,

soup kitchen, as he's known on the show. I don't know why you use this thing. Came out at one point and talked about how, listen, we would love for there to be diversity on the show, but at the same time, we've got to employ hundreds of people. And let me get, let me actually say it right, so I don't misquote him. He said, so in reference to the, to there being a lack of, or referring to the fact that there's a lack of diversity on the show, he said, listen, we all want to keep our jobs. And so we're going to do the best job we can of reaching diversity, having more of that,

represented on the show. We're going to try to cast the show better. We're going to do our best. But at the same time, we got to keep people employed on the show. It's basically what he was saying. And so that's something that Mike Fleiss, like that's coming from the top with Mike Fleiss. That's coming from Chris Harrison, who's posting the show. And he'd also say, for whatever reason, these people don't come forward to be a part of the bastard. And he wishes that they would. In 2012, to, they would have been contestants. They didn't make it onto the show, but they sued the Bachelor.

I remember this. And because of the fact of them not casting minorities on the show. And then the judge just missed the case, and he said it's their First Amendment right to cast whoever they want to on the show. And I think a couple of seasons after that, they had more minorities, but then they eventually went back to having majority white cast.

Well, they've always had majority white cast, but just like, you know, 90%. Yeah. So, like, this is the least surprising news. Of course, if you're looking at a show for 15 years, they had a diversity issue and never made any effort to increase diversity on the show. And then when they talked about the lack of diversity, they blamed it on the fact that minorities didn't feel comfortable coming on the show or the fact that they had to keep people employed on the show. And if they had minorities, minorities wouldn't get ratings and people wouldn't watch the show. And they would lose their advertisers. That's what Chris Harrison goes on. you say. This is prior to all the other shit that happened when he got the name suit kitchen. So, I mean, what do people want me to say? Of course. Of course. What's his face? You just, that was, you went back to. What is, what is, am I supposed to be shocked? Do you know Mike Flies? Have you ever made him personally? I have met. And here's, here's the thing. I never had a bad experience with Mike Flice. What I consider. What I

consider Mike Fleiss an ally? No. I'm not over here inviting him to the picnic because I was the shiny token for them. I knew I can remember my audition or the lack thereof. They handed it to me. There was nobody else who was going to even be considered for Bachelorette unless I said no. It was Rachel checks all our boxes. If we're going to step out for the first time and have a diverse lead with a diverse has, then we got to have somebody who makes them feel comfortable. Comfortability, which I did because I checked those boxes for them until I didn't. Until I didn't. And then I became a problem within the franchise. So he was never going to, in matter of fact, he actually spoke out. When my ratings were lower than the season before,

he said, well, that's due to our Trumpish audience. So he was saying things that were pro me. He supported me publicly. I've gone to lunch with him and his wife at the time and all of that because I was their token. Do you support Mike Flies? In what way? I mean, you have a good relationship with Mike Flies. I had a relationship with Mike Flies. I had a bad for Mike Flies.

I don't know anything. I would have done it right now. Yeah. I'm not going to go to Bath for Mike Flice. I had a working relationship with Mike Flies. I had a working relationship with Soup Kitchen. You know, like we come from the same world as employees. So I can be polite.

it can be politically correct. But all the people that you worked with on The Bachelor in terms of the people who are decision makers there, are there any people there that you would, that you would categorize as allies? The people who are on the executive level? Yeah. No.

There might be one. But the reason I'm going to hesitate is because the excuse used to be, well, you didn't have the power to do it because of who was at the top. Like, we tried. we try to do this, we put this out there, but we can only do so much. Now you have the power.

So we'll see what you do. So producers complained about Flights and his bullying behavior. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. I don't know anything about Mike Fleis, and I'm not trying to... But, like, shouldn't they have known

that Mike Flights could be like a behavioral issue? They knew. It's like the worst kept secret. But shouldn't they have known being that he was criminally charged, for harassing David Chardvay and Brooke

and in 2019 Fleiss's wife, who was probably the wife that you're talking about. It was. Alleged that he physically assaulted her when she was pregnant and demanded that she get an abortion. Two weeks later, after the criminal investigation came, she dropped the assault charges and received a $2 million. Now, this is what I'm saying. I am not litigating Mike Fleiss's life.

Sure. I'm going back to the fact that Mike Fleiss, as a powerful, white, problematic name, had been doing shit. Yeah. And part of the reason why he probably was able to stay there for so long is because these guys hold specific weight. and the system we're going to talk to Felicia about this protects me.

Well, and it comes out with money. So it was a money-making show. It has a steady, huge following. He was continuing to make money. There's this cult following. There's a whole day of the week that's taken over with The Bachelor.

The only reason that I got to come in and nobody was forcing him to make change, not the network that was showing it, not Warner Brothers that bought the show. Nobody was forcing him to make any changes to increase diversity or to have more of an inclusive show. It wasn't until Channing Dungee came in, a black woman who became over ABC Entertainment who demanded at Upfront that they would have a diversity. Then came Rachel. Then came Rachel. I got it because a black woman said, no, this is what you will do. Someone helped them. Yeah, she and I post together at the Hollywood

in the Hollywood reporter. She was named one of like top, they think they do a top 100 influential or top 50, and she asked me to be in her photograph with him. Wow. She's great. She's still at Warner Brothers. Are you still tapped in with batch action?

I know there's a black bachelorette. Do you think that this will make any change in terms of the way things are going on with the batch? It seems that this guy held a lot of weight and had some bad ideas. Now that he's gone, you see Batch being, they take the shackles off, or bat.

So that they can do, do you see anything to change? No. What would have to change? The last question for me. For the Batch to become inclusive land, land of equal opportunity and equal exposure. What would have to change in batch culture? The audience.

That's the audience. right? Because the audience, I guess, who watches the show is the audience who expects a particular type of product, their leads to look a certain way. And that's why they keep giving to them a certain way. I think the audience has to change for it to be any different. I don't see it changing. They only know what they know how to do. The same people with power. They just now have a higher role. It's the same people. They've been doing this for 20 years at this point. Nothing's going to change. This is all they know how to do. And I think they're too afraid

to do it any other way or too lazy. So that's done. I'm not shocked. I'm not surprised guys. Least shocking news. We're going to do one more thing here. I want to people to know something. But where I come from there's a problem. And we're going to get to police athletes. Where I come from, there's a problem. Louisiana is a beautiful state.

It's a state that has a troubled history in almost everyone. has a troubled history as far as race relations has a trouble in history as far as economics in return. The troubled history so many things.

But it's also a really unique place. It's a really unique place. It's a home. It's a place where the people look unique. They speak in a very unique way.

You can't tell what the influences are. Sometimes, whether it's Spanish, whether it's French, or it's Haitian, you go to different places and you feel like you're two completely different countries sometimes. You get to certain places. You get down there below a certain point

and you don't feel like you're on earth. You get to a certain point, like you get down near about to cut off and down near there where people talk a certain way, they have a certain accent, the water is brackish, meaning in some of these places it's part fresh water, part salt water, the wildlife is different. It's like a really special, unique place. And everybody feels that we're about the home state, but I really do feel that way about mine. But we're sick.

Like, we're sick for a lot of reasons. Like we're, like, the mortality rate, if the mortality rate is high, the life expectancy is not that great. But we also, we get cancer. as a part of Louisiana Corridor is known as Cancer Alley and citizens are trying to do something about it and I want to make sure that they have some rights shown on it. Citizens of St. James Parrish, Louisiana

have announced a federal lawsuit against the parish council claiming acts of environmental racism by local leaders in the heart of the heavy industrialized stretch of the Mississippi River, often referred to as cancer. The lawsuit argues that the approval with more than a dozen facilities and majority black errors

bears a direct correlation to the vestiges of slavery and segregation. It argues the local council has intentionally chosen to locate over a dozen enormous industrial facilities in the majority black, fourth and fifth districts of the parish, while explicitly sparing white residents on the risk of environmental harm. It is time to end this discriminatory, shall say, and a harmful land use system

in St. James Parrish has roots in slavery and it's after after. It is now the cause of public health emergencies. It says Myrtle Felton, a St. James Parrish resident and a member of Inclusive Louisiana,

one of the lawsuits plaintiffs. Now, I've talked a little bit about cancer and how it's affected my family. Uncle David just died. He died for cancer. Now, he led a heart of it. So I'm not pointing out any more. So accusing any more of that. But I knew kids that died of cancer, 14, 15, 16 years old.

Like throat cancer, weird cancers, different types of things. You come into Baton Rouge and the northern part of the city. People talk about South Baton Rouge, which is where I'm from. Because it's notorious, you know, right around the area, McKinley, the south, the bottom. That's where you hear a lot of these. Your rappers are coming from us. Your Fredos are from, Fredos from the top.

Young boys from and Bussey's from the bottom, all of these places right here. But the northern part of Baton Rouge is forgotten. It's forgotten. There wasn't a grocery store in North Baton Rouge until the people at Rousins, which is a supermarket chain. One of the owners of that supermarket chain

was at the January 6th. March. And shout out to Walter Gino McLaughlin and other activists in Baton Rouge when these people were being held to account for having gone to the Trump March or the Trump rally, the insurrection, shall I say. It's an insurrection. The violent riot insurrection that happened there. They were trying to figure out what they were going to do. And what people asked was put a grocery store in North Baton Rouge. And they didn't. Now they put it right on the line to both bad news, but they put a grocery store in a badmage. One of the reasons why that area up there is so poor, is because

there's just a lot of plants off the river, and those are in the northern part of the city. This is the parish? That's St. James' Chris. It's Baton Rouge Church. Okay. These problems, though, extend up and down. In Gardier,

where I live, black people that area is never going to gentrify because it's a sewage treatment plant

like you would wake up sometimes and it would just smell like shit it's like it would just smell like shit

and none of those places exists none of those places are put where a lot of it's where we

would have to go yeah it's part of the food desert part of the the

inability to access medical care as part of all of the vestiges of slavery that's still in my beautiful home story and people are suffering. It's a real thing. It's a real thing.

And their actual lives. People coughing. And remember, they don't have any money. So when they get cancer, They have to rely on the city or the state to help take care of them. And those hospitals are overrun and those facilities are back. So I want to shout out somebody who's doing this work.

Number one, I want to make sure that I shout out, inclusive Louisiana, who's one of the lawsuits plaintiffs. I would love to have somebody representing St. James Parish, which is not East Badd Rouge Parish, but right in the throes of Cancer Avenue. I would suggest that everybody, like research and understand, what Canceraouye is and the people that are suffering down there and giving their lives to industry. But there is a woman named Dr. Beverly Wright. She is over the Deep South Center for Environmental Justice.

Okay, this was founded by her in 1992 in collaboration with some community environmental groups. she is down at Dillard University and she is a warrior she is an environmental justice scholar and somebody who has been trying to solve this problem for a while. Now, I gotta be honest with you, she did go to grammar.

And so the fact that she went to gambling means that she's probably not to be trusted all the way. Okay, so you can't really trust somebody from brain. they're up there in North Baton Rouge and the Piney Woods you probably can't trust somebody from Grammy as much all right

this is where my people are from I'm just saying you can't trust anybody from grandma all right but people like her that are addressing these problems they need visibility they need our help

and they need our aid if you're going to be an ally to somebody be an ally to be an ally to Beverly right be an ally to black millennials from Flint, be an ally to all the organizations around the country that are doing their best to combat environmental racism. Yeah, that's what I was just about to say is, I mean, this is close to home for you,

so you're aware of this, plus what you know from, you know, Baton Rouge, but how many other places in this country are going through the same thing and either don't have people fighting for them or aren't even aware that they're being impacted in this way? environmental racism. Good grief. The indigenous environment network network is one. 350.org is one. Black and Liz Ph. Flint.

California community Foundation's Wildlife, wildfire relief fund. Huge. The center on race, poverty, and the environment. Founded in 1989. It's a great one.

I mean those people from CBC and DC. A couple of years. Labor's Network for sustainability. It goes on and on and on and on and on. It's just back. It's not just the police. It's the food you eat, the air you breathe.

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this tiny white woman beats me down. Beats me down. Hold your elbows back. Dig into your heels. Use your core. Okay, three, two, one, like just let me do the exercise of Joelle.

Joelle is my trainer, and through Joelle, I was able to meet an amazing black lady. Her name is Felicia Anua, and she has a podcast that I think it is very imperative that you guys know about. Now, you're a comedian, a speaker, and a podcast. Yes. Welcome to Harlan. Thank you. I'm so happy to be here. We met through Joel.

our mutual training. The devil. I mean, the nice. And you told me about your podcast, and I thought it was amazing. It is the Trill MBA show. And tell us what the podcast is about. So I'm the trillest NBA you'll ever know.

And I help black women survive and thriving corporate America. And even though I get nice emails from all kinds of people saying, hey, you help me with the show. By the way, I'm a white man. That's great. We talk about how to get paid and promoted. And the thing is, I grew up with a mom and a grandma. And my grandma, she dropped out of high school at ninth grade because she got pregnant.

And then my mom only went to high school, right? And so I'm there dreams and hopes, you know. And, you know, you call home and you're like, mom, I'm having this problem with this dude at work and blah, blah, blah. She's like, okay, let's pray about it, baby. Prayers don't help you. They help your spirit, but they don't help that specific situation at work. They don't help you deal with the mediocre mic that's stealing your work or, you know, how to say, hey, I have too much on my plate. And then when you leave, they hire five people in your place, you know.

And so as I was matriculating through my career post-NBA, I was like, okay, I don't want anybody to go through what I'm going through. And that's why I started the show. And what was like that moment, that moment in corporate America? Because now I mean, like we worked for corporations, but I'm not in corporate America anymore. But you're making me think back to moments of my own experience. So what was that moment for you where you were like, you know what? I got to make sure that I'm helping out other people who might be going through a similar situation.

And then how did you get it all started? So at the time. So by training, I'm a classfully trained marketer. I grew up in CPG. And there were a number of times, but specifically when I first graduated from business school, I was told, oh, no, we want you to come here. It was a company in Minnesota. So Minnesota is like white. It's just it is.

You know, they call Minneapolis White Atlanta. What? Is that fact? That's what we say on the street. White Atlanta? Yeah. Like, if white people had an Atlanta, like how Atlanta is for black people, Minneapolis is their Atlanta.

Oh, yeah, it's their playground. When I was in Wisconsin, they had a much different term for Minneapolis. I don't know if I can say. What was? They would say that it was home of the half-breeds. Oh, yeah. Jesus. Absolutely.

Absolutely. Not my word. That is what people in Wisconsin used to say. And I was like, huh, that's interesting. Because there's so many, because it's a lot of... Yes, yes. Yes. Because companies will recruit us there.

And then a lot of the black men, you know, the white women have no qualms sharing their appreciation for the black men. Okay. Okay. If you like the snow bunnies, there's the land for you. Like, I remember Omega had their conclave there one year when I was working there. They were what happened with my brothers. They got, they got costed.

They weren't ready. And they're saying Omega is not ready. It's saying a lot. They were not ready. They had, them women had golden purple fingernails. They had dyed their hair. They had golden, they had done their research. The white girls had golden purple fingernails for the Omega.

Yes. Trapping the brothers, they can't resist. Yes. And they're not able to, I've never seen the white girls. that far. That's not fair. You can't blame the brothers. Minnesota.

That he is built different. Wow. I didn't realize that Minnesota, you know, they're a different place where the dark sharks congregate. But I never heard Minneapolis. You're about to send the tourism

of Minneapolis way through the roof. Hey. But you think about Minneapolis you think Prince. You think Lizzo, but you never think white. Well, Lizzo's from Houston.

Let's be clear. I thought Lizzo is from Minneapolis. She went there. She started a Houston. But she's from Houston. What do you say from? What do you mean? She reps Houston.

She claims Houston. She reps Houston. Okay. She saw Beyonce perform at the rodeo, changed her life. Like, we claim her. That's right. She skipped school to see Destiny's Child. Yeah.

Yeah. We claim Lizzo. Okay. But you were saying. Yeah. So when I was in Minnesota, I was working for this company, and I was recruited out of business school with them, and they had made all these promises because that's what they do. They want and done.

And then when you get there, you know, I'm being told things like, you know, this used to be a good old boys club, but now you're here. Mm-hmm. And then when I try to speak up, I was told, you know, you really just need to shut up and listen. Wow. But I was like, you paid me to think. Like, you're paying me all this money for me to just be your token. Got it. And so just those type of experiences and not knowing how to handle it, being overly emotional about it.

you know, not focused on my money, trying to change them. When in actuality, I needed to focus on how to survive in those situations because you're not going to change them. Yeah. Not the way you would think. If you, if there was a toolkit that you could make, an intellectual toolkit for black women in corporate America, what would that toolkit consist of? Three things.

Number one, how to build relationships as a black woman in corporate. number two, how to understand and really deeply understand your company's culture. And then number three, how to keep your emotions in check. And that's the hardest one because they say, you know, business is impersonal. But this is how I pay my rent and eat. And that's personal to me. And so it's understanding how to stay even kill and how to stay focused on the chessboard. And so those are the three things.

would build with the kid. But like most black women were taught, just outwork them. I don't know how many times you heard that. We're just going to work hard. We're going to outwork them. In the 80s, that worked because you had one black person

that was a affirmative action program. There was numbers. There was quotas. There was all that. So as long as you outworked everybody, you'd be in the top spot. It doesn't work that way anymore. There's no more real affirmative action.

So now it really is like the relationships that you build. And it's hard for, us to build those relationships because half the time they don't want to build a relationship with you. And then half the time

you don't want to feel like the token. And the other half the time, I don't want to hear about the Bachelor at work. Like, I don't want to talk about that, but that's what you want to talk. Like, I'll never forget. When Trayvon Martin died,

I came to work the next day. We're mourning, the few little black folks of us. And these others came in there in the room and there's like, okay, the white girls came in the room and they're like, I have no idea what they were talking about because I'm mourning. Right.

But they have no clue and they don't care. And so how do you build a relationship with that? That's what I was going to ask you. My last law firm that I worked at, I was the only black person there. And it is important, I agree. It is important. I agree to have relationships with people you work with. And so if you're someone who's new that's starting there and you're the only one that looks like you

and you're trying to find your voice and you're trying to find your footing. How do you go about finding that person if nobody looks like you? There's nobody that you can relate to. How do you trust that you can have, you know, allyship or a corporate relationship with someone else? It all comes down to human behavior.

And that's what I want people to understand. The beauty of being humans is you can be as racist as you want to be, but you're a human being. You have preferences, you have biases, whatever. There are people that if you talk with them in a certain way, if you know

how to communicate for impact, they will look at you differently. They will then start to say, you know what, Rachel, you're just different. I really like you. And it's a likeability game. And so when you're the only one, you got to look around. First of all, who hired

you? Why they pick you? Stay close to that person. Big mistake people make when they're the only one in the organization, the people that hired them, they separate from. They get lost in the company they're trying to figure it out. Well, that person who hired you,

they want to advocate for you. They want you to do well. They have some skin in the game already because they told the organization, I vouch for you. So stick close to that person first. And you ask that person, who do I need to start building connections

and relationships with? And then you do the warm and you say, hey, can you introduce me to that person? Can you introduce me to that partner? And then you have to, you have to just drink the Kool-Aid. You know you're not really drinking the Kool-Aid, but you got to have the

right, right. I mean, I listen to your book over the weekend. Like, you played the game with that same thing. You just play the little game. You go along with it and then you have your people outside of work that you decompress with. You complain to. Never complain at work.

Never complain about anything. Never go to HR. That is very definitely. You can't trust HR. No. No. No. You want to Like HR, you're a friend and get information from HR. Like I always tell people, you can talk to HR, but the conversation should go like this. Hey, Rachel and HR, how are you doing today? You're doing good?

Okay, hey, I just wanted to ask a quick question about policy. Like, nothing's wrong. I'm having a great time. I love it here. I just want to understand to make sure I'm doing things right. You ask them about policy. You ask them about how does stuff work on paper. That's it.

Make friends with them. Get tea from them. pretend give them tea. If it's safe, you know, that's where you got to be, you got to be at a higher level of messy to really do that one. But like, I coach people through that. But this is the game. Right.

That's one of your pawns. HR is your pawn in this game. Use it accordingly. Do you think that that advice of not going to HR is increasingly, increasingly harder for particularly some younger people to grasp or to invest into because sometimes, and I don't want to generalize here, but sometimes it seems like there is an entire movement or entire culture of people wanting accountability. And sometimes that accountability comes from, hey, I don't feel like I'm for,

or value in this particular way in my workplace. And the people that I have to talk to about that are HR. Sometimes it's Twitter. Sometimes it's whatever. And it doesn't seem like telling them not to go to HR would really resonate with it. No, because the problem is they haven't built the right relationships. So let's say I was being sexually harassed by a senior leader at work. I'm going to go to my relationship that's another senior leader that I trust.

But I've had to build that relationship to say, hey, Bob is sexually harassing me. Like he said this, he said that. I have this documentation. I'm not trying to cause no trouble. This is if you want to stay in the organization. I'm not trying to cause any trouble. But like, can you help me navigate this because he has to stop his behavior? And then internally, they will regulate themselves.

But the moment you go to HR, now they got to do all this paper stuff. And nine times out of ten, they're going to protect the legal. because the leader is closer tied to the company and they have a responsibility to protect the company. That's why going to HR doesn't work. You only go to HR once you've lawyered up. If you have a real problem, you need to get an attorney first. Because HR works for the company. HR works for the company. They do not work for you. And I know a lot of companies are like, we're a family and the HR people be like, I'm here to help. And I got into HR so I could help. baby your hands are tied the way the game is played the way the system work you can want to do

all the best you want to do but at the end of the day you got to do what's best for the company that's your job yeah that's what you get paid to do you do career coaching um what does that entail is that just career coaching of within corporate america maybe people want to start their own business maybe people are at a crossroads of what where to go and what to do and why is it important to have career coaching. So career coaching helps you gain clarity. And I only focus on people, I have a niche. I help you get promoted. So one of my most recent clients that did very well, she works for Amazon. Amazon is a very tough company to get promoted in if you don't understand their system. So basically I held her hand through the process. And then I believe, and we're going to be

talking next week, but I believe she got herself another promotion after she worked with me because now she the system. Now she knows how to navigate and move who to talk to and what. But like at Amazon, you need six people to write, to actually write a write up for you in that calibration. So it's different. And every company's calibration and how they decide who to promote is different. But at the end of the day, you have to have the relationship with the decision makers to get promoted. And that's hard to do. So I help people build relationships, build relationships with their managers. I also help them troubleshoot. Like if they feel they're in trouble before they get on a PIP,

I help them figure out what they need to do different, how they need to show up at work differently in order to be successful in their role. Let's talk about code switching. Switching to the code. Yes, got to do it. All right. You have to code switch. Well, it's a corner on, it's a corner on the

company. So at a law firm, yes. At a law firm, you have to code switch. At a law firm, you have to coach. Law firms are very conservative. I would say law firms, banks, finance, like, they want you to follow. line. If you're too razzle-dazzle, too out there, too much form, it's not

going to work. So let's talk about the line there, right? So certain people look at the code switch as a necessary part of upward mobility in corporate America. Other people

look at the code switch as selling out Richard Pryor. Yes. I hate it. And all of your uncles and aunts and everybody so that you can get ahead, you go along to get along, motherfucker. Yes. That's what they say about it.

Your thoughts. Two things. One, it's both of those things. Oh. Yeah, it is. It's both of those things. But here's the deal. Are your aunties and uncles paying your rent?

Again, that's where you got to check your emotions. Because that's an emotional response. That's your ego telling you, oh, my God, you sell it now. you black, you're supposed to show up, how you're supposed to show up. Yeah, but me talking in black English vernacular to Bob, he's going to be like, oh, you're so unprofessional. Because that's within his head. That's a stereotype.

So again, it's about communicating for impact. And so if I have to code switch to be more impactful to get what I want, then I'm going to do that because I'm here for the money. Have you ever code switched? No. But here's a thing, though, let me tell you why I don't, I don't, I don't code switch is because my code is acceptable everywhere. And that's not true of everyone, meaning that my language is a tool.

And so being that language is a tool, there's no right or wrong way to speak. It depends upon where you are. Right. So if you come down to where I'm from in Baton Rouge and you've never been there before, when you speak to them, they're going to know something's off with you. The tool that you're bringing,

the language that you're talking to them, the dialect that you're speaking, whatever, it's not registering. And they might speak back to you and use words and phrases that you don't understand. Language is a tool. Like then people say, oh, you talk this, you talk that? Not, it's a tool.

Like all of that stuff, like use this. So wherever you go, you need to use the tool that you have in the correct way. Exactly. For me, I'm understood when I'm in Bat Rouge. I'm understood when I'm here. Not everybody has to coast, but not everybody has sort of, not everybody does. You know what I mean? So I don't, I talk my shit.

I don't just mean talking. I guess I mean, like we joked here. We even said in a while, but like, There were three Rachel's, right? There was Rachel on Higher Learning. There's Rachel on Extra. And there was Rachel from The Bachelor. Yeah.

There's an element of codes. And the reason there's three of them is because it's not, I'm not talking any different, but there might be, I might hold back. Isn't that in a form of code switching as well? But again, I might not fully be my full self because it's not, I got to play a certain game at times. So two things. I want to share a tidbit that shout out to my old boss,

Brianna, told me because I struggle with Coach Switching all the time from Victoria, Texas. I'm a nigga to my heart. Like, I just make this money because I got this NBA, right? Like, she told me, she said,

but nobody deserves the full version of you. Nobody deserves, like, how I show up for my husband as a wife is different for how I show up for my kids as a mother. It's different how I show up for my teammates as the VP of, of marketing, right?

And so it's about communicating for impact. And I hate this idea that it feels like we're giving up something when we code switch. But what we're actually doing is trying to communicate in the most effective way to get our point across and get what we need. I also say this, that this conversation is a lot different for you guys and it is for me. Yeah. They ask black men to code switch less than. then they do black ladies. It's just a fact.

The fact of the matter is, you come in here, you sound like DMX or whatever. Ah, look, I love Earl. You know Earl from down in the county? I love talking to Earl. He sounds so gruff. It's so authentic.

And if you're in this situation, sometimes this is not, obviously I'm being facetious, but it's different. With ladies, they hold black women specifically to a different standard And we're going to talk about a little podcast.

It's true. And that's why when I coach my clients, I tell them things like, hey, let's talk about how you show up. So there's a model for success in corporate. It's called a Pi model. Harvey C. Coleman, there's a book called Empowering Yourself. And this pie model is performance,

image, and exposure. And so those are the three components you need for success in the workplace. performance is 10% of the equation. That's brass tax. Image is how you show up. So I work with people on how they show up. So if you're a black woman,

I say bring your happiest, most positive self. So when I'm at work and I'm talking, I'm like, hey guys, how's it going? Is it going good today? Okay, great. Okay, so on the agenda today, like I literally do that at work. Is that an exhausting?

It is. It very much is, but it's how I play my game. And recently my whole team was let go, except for me. Why is that? Because I know how to play the game. What's the end goal? So this is my thing. I realized that there's game playing.

We talked to Stephen A. Smith. Stephen A. Smith came here. Stephen A. Smith was talking about playing the game and stuff like that. I'll be honest with you. I don't like the game. I don't either. I hate the game. Absolutely.

I'm not a question. Like whether you're... Yes, that's right. Even me. So sometimes what I do is I just just take the ball and kick it over the fence.

Fuck you guys. You know? And sometimes it's not... I am emotional and I have a condition. So there's a breaking point to why I just go, fuck all you all fire me.

And normally, the thing is, normally when I do that, they go, so compelling. He gets in there and he says what he means and it just goes further and further and further. I know that that's different for everyone. My question to you is, when you get to that senior leadership position, or when you get to become a CEO or whatever, or whenever this person that's playing the game doesn't,

do we then get to change the rules of the game? Is this game in perpetuity that we will always be doing this, or is there a light at the end of the tunnel? to where this changes. So that's my hope, right? That's why I do this work. Because when we, and studies have shown this, when we have more people of color,

we have black women, black men, in those seats where they are the hiring managers, they are the decision makers, their teams are just more diverse. They will hire more black people, more Hispanic people, more Asian people than a white manager would. And that's why we have to keep striving

even though there's so many horror stories, but like one thing that corporations love to do because they are fuck boys, they will put a job wreck out and say, oh, well, you just need three years of experience, but then they'll interview the black person that has eight years of experience and should be like two levels higher than this job wreck.

They do that all the time. And one of the things I'm trying to do is help people realize, like, no, go for the director role. Go for the VP role. Like you have all these years of experience. You don't have to have everything on that job wreck in order to get the job. You just have to have a compelling story. When you talk about diversity, and this is my last question for you.

Are you afraid at what's happening in the government? We're seeing the government in certain states take away DEI programs. And of course, that's just state-run things. But are you afraid that private corporations will look at that and say, well, hey, don't need that either, and then we start to go backwards. We're already going backwards. So George Floyd happened. God rest that man, soul, and all these companies made their pledges.

They made promises to do better and act right. And here we are three years later. And, oh, it's a recession. What's the first things they cut? All their DNA. First thing they all cut. Oh, we got to pull back. We'll figure it out, blah, blah, blah.

So it was all performative in the first place. The solution, though, for us surviving in these spaces, especially people who don't want to be entrepreneurs. So black women are by far starting businesses at the highest rates ever, which is totally understandable because these spaces are traumatic. But there are some of us that don't want to be entrepreneurs. What are we supposed to do? We still need to make money.

We still need to provide for our families. We're highest educated. We got these student loans now. So pay me. And so you've got to work. And the thing is, it's all about human behavior. It's about getting around the microcosm that you're in, not necessarily the macro forces outside of you,

because I can't help what the government does right now. I mean, I vote. Like, that's one of my craft. for friendship. Like, if you don't vote, we can't be friends. But, like, I vote and I do my civic duty. But at the end of the day, if Ron DeSantis wants to act a fool in Florida, my clients that are in Florida, like, that doesn't affect the white men that's trying to fire them for no good reason, except for they complained about something. You have recently relocated from the southern part of the United States in Tokyo,

where you're in Texas? Proud Texan. proud Texan. Yes, right. Hook them. That's right. Look them. Yes.

He hates him. He hasn't done nothing. What do you mean? We went to the best university. I'm not talking about you guys. I'm talking about the University of Texas. We're talking about LSU just won a national championship. Oh my gosh.

I knew you were going to do this. We just went to the elite A. Where was LSU's men's basketball team? Nowhere to be found. No way. Don't hang your hands on a woman. So what you're saying is real quick. What you're saying?

Don't do this. No, I'm not putting men. I'm just saying we have representation. We have representation of getting close. And we have representation of women. Anyway. I don't want to be here today. I don't want to be here today because I guess this all day.

I know you're going to hear this. I'm just saying, we've gone that far since the TJ 40 years. Yeah. So you recently relocated out here to Los Angeles. Yes. What has your transition to LA been like, and how do you find out as a black lady? I want my money back. Oh.

Because Tony, Tony said it never rains in Southern California. So I was real happy until every fucking day I've been here. And I travel a lot. So every time I leave, it's raining. Every time I come back from the airport, I live by the airport, it's raining. It's just always fucking raining. It's going to get better. I'm like, what is this?

The attorney of corner. And then the 405, the first time I drove on the 405, I thought I got a flat. I pulled over. It was dangerous. I thought I was going to get hit. And, like, I was looking for a flat. No, the shit's just bumpy.

The shit's just like, do, do, do, do, do, do. Wow. Welcome. So you're not digging that lay right now. If I can get the sunshine, I was promised for the rent that I'm paying. I know. Then I would feel better.

But to have rain, like I live in Seattle for what I'm paying, I'm not. The rate shows off. Brighter days ahead for sure. Oh, definitely. I mean, look, look, here's the thing. It's been bad. It's been bad even to the points where I'm like, all right, you know, I'm from Louisiana. I like a little rain.

Right, right. But not this. This is what you're saying to us. Yeah. All right. So the Trill NBA podcast. True NBA show. Where can they find it?

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And now you do this, email me and we'll give you, we'll send you a code. My team will send you a code to sign up for your session. That's amazing. Free coaching. Listen, we should say y'all need to stop complaining. Yes.

Y'all run your mouse too much. Well, don't complain at work. Like, that's why you have your girlfriends, your boys like you know you go to the bar away from where your co-workers go like when you're in work happy love

co-slesles show your teeth I won't never tell a woman to smile but I tell them to show they teeth Rachel doesn't like it Rachel's tough for me I'm sure I need to hear some of this you got to stay focused

you're right you're right you got to stay focused I'm gonna be email and don't stay give me my code like they'll lie to you So don't stay. Like if you don't get promoted the first time they promote you, just like fuck boys.

If they tell you, no, baby, nah, like, it's going to be me and you. We're going to make it work. But then their ring don't show up. Leave. I did. I remember back at TMZ, I had like little mini protests. It was like they would, because people are so easy. Shout out to all my coworkers at TNT.

It would be like on Thursday, that was Treat Day, at TMZ. So they were bringing a different treat every day. So on Thursday, people will be like, oh, it's cupcakes today.

You ever buy a cupcake? Oh, it's my tithes. Everybody drink a mita. You know what I mean? Everybody do that. And I was like, I'm not drinking that shit. I'm not eating that shit.

I'm not doing any way. The reason why was because that's not what you want. You don't want cupcakes. What you want is your vacation days approved. Yeah. What you want is people all the time I'm like, they pacifying y'all with the cupcakes.

Slap the cupcake. You don't need it. Don't do. Felicia, take the cupcake. Everybody would look at me, hey, man, you want a cupcake? No. Norma Ray. I don't want a cupcake at all.

What I want is when it's time for me to get my vacation, I want you to approve the days. I want better shit overall. Not to try to get you a cupcake. I got mad. But this is what you should do. Let's say you have a vacation. You don't actually need your vacation approved. You just go.

Like, actually speak loudly. Like, there's no need for me to complain about you having to approve my vacation. Just go. And then you email, you email documented. Hey, boss person, I'm going to go on vacation these days. Thanks. And then you go. And then let them push back on you.

And then when they push back on you, then you escalate it from there. But, like, most times people don't like confrontation. So if you just say this is what I'm doing, most people be like, oh, okay. And even if they don't like it, you do what you do, they're not going to fire you for that. Shit, nigger, they stayed. I ended up getting a situation. I end up becoming such a big deal on the show to where they wouldn't do it. But other people, they were slamming people left and right.

Hey, I want to go to France. Sweeps. Oh, sweeps. Oh, still my life. Sweeps. No one can leave. Stay. And it would be like, I'd be like, yo man, how many times is it sweet?

Like it sweeps like, what, four times a year? It's four times. It's like, how many times is it sweeps? It sweeps and then it would be, it got so crazy, Felicia, it would be like pre-sweeps. It's like, okay, it's not sweeps, but we need you because we need to have good momentum going into sweeps on a television show. Fuck it! All right, Felicia, Trill MBA.com.

This has been so enlightening for me. And I hope to have you back. Yes. to have you back and for you to as we get business or corporate or workplace topics. I'm here to help. To have you back. Yeah, I'm definitely

here to help. Me and Felicia are going to be. Yeah. And hopefully it will be finer. I mean, he's probably going to beat me because he really doing all the things. I complain to to Joelle. Like, Joelle, I just be looking at her like, well, I got to do this. I don't want to.

Come on, boss lamps. I fuck that ball. I. But you do it, right? I go to gym five days a week now. Oh, wow. Yeah, I hate it. It's great. We're there, but think about it. But we're there.

We're part of the equinox gym culture. Yeah. All the different trainers. All them happy skinny bastards. Which equinoxia go to? Oh, that's a subpovita. Oh, that's too popular. All right.

That was Alicia. Thank you guys. Tril MBA show.com is the podcast. Go listen to her support. And get your 30 minutes free coach. Thank you for joining us on Ireland. All right, Rachel, that's enough. That's enough podcast.

Yeah, go home and check on Brian. Take care of Brian. Brian's at work today. Brian's feeling much better. He went to work. I nursed him back to health. You nurse Brian back to health. You love him.

I do. Despite what people think. People were mad at me when I said, Brian lets me do. They work. Well, I will say this. I know for a fact that, you know, the train is on the track. with you and Brian, that answer was wild.

Which one? Oh. Donnie. Donnie. That was one. And then I go, which one? But we got to the root of it. We got to the root of it. We got to the root of it. That was wild, right? It was. But she fleshed it out. So it made sense. It was. It was. It was. But she flushed out.

All right. Take the thing caps off. We do not stop learning. I'm Pam. Lake you, June. I'm Rachel and Lindsay. Hi.