Higher Learning with Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay - The Emasculation Proclamation and Civil War II

Episode Date: February 24, 2023

Van and Rachel are back to discuss the two magazine covers that have had Black Twitter in a tizzy (23:00). They then react to Marjorie Taylor Greene’s secession suggestion (51:42). Plus, Deion Sanders gives some insight on his recruiting tactics (1:04:35). Hosts: Van Lathan Jr. and Rachel Lindsay Producers: Donnie Beacham Jr. and Ashleigh Smith Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Yo, yo, yo, my wires. What is up? Our learning is on. It is I, Van Lathen, Jr. And it's being Rachel and Lindsay. Absist on my tonsors. That's, wait, that was the whole sickness this entire time, or it turned into that? Rachel, I don't know.

Aw. Okay. Before we get into it, how have you been? I've been seeing you gallivanting. You're galivanting again. And I've been seeing you different places. I saw you. No, you have nice.

Rachel, what are you talking about? I saw you. Maybe three places I've been. Three places I've been. You went to the Cocaine Bear premiere. Okay. I saw you at some place where you had jeans on and you were, you had jeans on and you had like a leather hat with some leather.

You were wearing something and you were with white ladies and, or your friends. I can look it up right now. You guys were hanging out. You guys were hanging out. It was something was going on. There was some kind of situation that was happening. I love that you corrected and you said

Galavanting. Galavancing again. Just a galavanter. What is this? Here it is. Wait a minute. With Whitney? Oh no.

No. No, here it is. Yes. With Whitney. There you go. There it is. With Whitney. I know Whitney.

Yes. With Whitney. We had a catch up. y'all went Weekend Day photo dump and I saw that, right? And then I saw once again

you went to a premiere of a lifetime movie Galavancho. My friend, Michelle's in a movie, yeah. So look, this is what I'm trying to say. Okay, all right, all right, all right. Why do you act like you weren't vanting?

You've been getting it? It's okay. No, no, no. I guess in my mind we were podcast on Monday. And so I'm like, what did I do from Monday to now? But it really, it's been a week. You're right. A lot has happened in a week. You know what I've been doing? I've been catching up on life. What you're pointing out, I'm catching up on supporting my friends. I'm catching up on brunch and gossip with friends. I've responded back to all my text messages at this point. I've answered

all my emails at this point. I've literally spent the last week catching up. Now, I've been doing that and you apparently have been trying to heal yourself. Nothing. So I had the sickness. Everybody knows that I was sick. Because you had not diagnosed. You just kept saying you're sick. But then I went to the urgent care.

And they gave me some antibiotics and some cough syrup, remember? Yes, yes. Well, yes, we had a whole conversation. But if you remember, I was feeling better. Yeah. I was fine. Yeah. There was like there had been like a like some kind of blister on my uvula right there.

But it healed up. Then I was feeling better. I was feeling fine. That was great. And so Super Bowl week all next week. I was cool until that Friday morning. I woke up. And I was like, what's going on my throat?

I was like, it was one side of my throat that was hurt. And it was a little irritation connected to my ear. Not a big deal. I thought maybe there was a little drip back there, post-nasal drip because stuff is still coming up. And it's like, maybe it's a little sore. I'll get to the day. It'll loosen up. Whatever.

Whatever. I'll take some stuff. Get it right out. Not a big deal. Whatever's happening. I go to work out. It's bothering me before I go to work out. After I work out, I'm breathing hard, doing all that stuff.

Now, full on is bang. So I'm like, fuck this. I get a whole bunch of different stuff from the store and I numb it up because we still got to go see Ant Man and the Lost Quantumania. There's no way I can't go see Quantum Man. Absolutely. All right. So we go to see Quantummania, boom.

And I'm like, because I remember I told you, I was supposed to go to Carla Kaepernick. your rights can. Yes. And I even spoke with some of the people from the camp that night and I was like, look, if I don't start feeling better in the morning when I wake up, I'm going to go to urgent care, then I'm going to see what they say, and then I might be able to come after that. This is like all day thing. So I wake up worse. I barely got to sleep that night, Friday night. I barely got to sleep. I couldn't swallow anything. So I couldn't like swallow saliva. So like it was like oh my God. I had real trouble sleeping. So I woke up early and I'm like I'm going to be at the

urgent care when they open. Get to the urgent care. The guy get back there. Oh hey what's up. You just, hey, we just saw you. Ha ha ha ha. Fuck you guys. Get me back there. I love people at the urgent care. Whatever. So the guy takes the, uh, the little light thing. This is exactly how the guy takes a little light. He goes, hey, gets my weight and all of that. I'm like, I'm not getting on there. I know how much I weigh. Stop because I'm not doing it.

And so like to hold blood pressure, hold on. And he puts the light thing back. And he puts the light thing. I thought, okay, give me an eye, ah, puts a light thing in looking around. He goes, huh. I'm like, what the fuck? He literally went, huh.

Yeah. Okay. So you're not going to have to pay for this. What? This trip to the urgent care. He goes, we're going to take this off. Like when I've been, because you should go to Cedars.

Oh my gosh. And I was like, wait, what? He's terrified. He's like, he's like, yeah. He's like, yeah. He's like, yeah. He's like, you have, from what I can tell, it looks like you have,

an abscess on one side. He's like you, I mean, you can look at your throat. You can tell that it's all whatever. I'm like, yeah, but I just thought he's like, yeah. So they're going to have to drain the that. So I leave that morning. It's like 9.30 or whatever. I was destined to be in the emergency room until 7.30.

No, no, no, you weren't. That's how long I was there. Like you weren't even in a room? I was in a room from probably about noon, from probably about noon to seven. I was in there. They did all this stuff and talked to a couple of different people. You know, whatever. It took all of my information, blah, blah, right in the register room for a while.

And, you know, there wasn't, it wasn't any life-threatening stuff. So there were a lot of people there to be seen. Sure. So from there I'm waiting to bring me back and then that's when it kind of starts. I think they're going to bring me back there and they're going to go, hey,

let me give you this, blah, blah, whatever happens for you're on your way. And they go like, no, well, we're going to put an IV in you. I was like, what? Why would I need a? So no, we're going to put an IV in you and we're going to put steroids in the IV. And then we're also going to put

antibiotics in the antibiotics in the IV. So they do the IV thing. I get stuck in both arms because they take my blood earlier and then they put the IV in me so I'm there. I'm watching XFL football.

And the doctor comes in after a while it goes, hey, we're going to wait for the ENT resident to come and look. but it's like, yeah, we've all looked at it. There's a peritonexal abscess and they're going to have to drain it and take it out.

And how are you at this point? I'm chilling. Okay, okay. Like, I'm chilling. Because I know how you can be. So that's why I'm like, were you chill? Were you panicking? Were you having anxiety at this moment?

Well, I skipped the point. I skipped the part. I had to get an x-ray and I had to get a CT scan. Oh. Oh, wow. Just racking up the bills. Yep. I had to get an x-ray and I had to get a CT scan.

So x-ray, CT scan, peritonsal abscess, boom. And then after a while, the doctor that was in there, he comes out and he goes, the guy's going to come do it, whatever. And the doctor comes in and he goes, all right, look, this is what we could do. We got two choices in what we do. Okay. He was like, one, we can. keep you here overnight.

Oh my gosh. Because the mass that you have is a little bit over one centimeter. And they don't really get to be super gnar until they're like two centimeters. So he's like the mass that you have still pretty small. It's like we could probably shrink it, nuke it

since you've been responding to the steroids and the antibiotics, keep you here overnight, blah, blah, whatever, whatever. And I was like, Oh, send me the fuck home. He's like, all right, well, then this is what we got to do. I have to take the numbing agent. You have to open your mouth and I have to give you shots into your mouth to numb the area.

Then I have to take a syringe, stick it into the absets and drain it. And he goes right after we do that, the pain will be over. Like the relief is instant. And I was like, okay. And we have to do that. and my nigger. Pain was all the way through. I paid attention to what he said.

Once that's done, it'll be instant relief, meaning you will feel pain all the way up until that point. I know he said a numbing agent, but... He meant instant relief from the absence itself. Okay.

But he's like, it's going to hurt. He's like, we're going to numb the top part of it, but, you know, still at the bottom there, we're going to be digging around looking for stuff. So he's like, it's going to hurt. And so we, he did it. And I'm still on steroids and still on the antibiotics and all of that stuff because they were able to drain it,

but it was a small access. So there was still more stuff. It had to be shrunk down and stuff like that. And so as soon as I can, after this, I'm going to get my tons, just popped out. Gone. I have mine out. You do?

When did you get yours taken out? When I was five. Why? What happened? Because I kept getting tonsilitis. I always had issues. I don't know if I had an absence. I was so young.

Probably did. I probably got it from you. It was so bad. Like I regularly had to visit an E&T. Like I can remember being a kid and seeing like the little, like they had little kid drawings and stuff to make it seem easier. It was like a cartoon of a person going down like in your nose and down your ear and your throat, like making it seem like it was not that bad of a procedure.

Yeah, no, I haven't taken out. But I always thought as an adult, they don't do that anymore. They don't take your tonsils out. They do. They say it's a very painful recovery. But I tell you what's not going to happen. Oh, you're going to be out the podcast for a minute? No, they said, they said, no.

No, don't push it, Van. Don't push it. They said I'll still be able to podcast. Look at you trying to get a solo show. They said I'll still be able to podcast. But he said, I just let you know, the recovery is pretty difficult. But they were speaking my language. The guy was like, you won't be able to eat.

Some patients lose weight. I was going to have broth and popsicles. I was like this. You like this. Juice, smoothies. Yeah. Also today, it's a time of medical breakthroughs. Also today, I made a decision, Rachel, and I talked to my psychiatrist today to finally treat my ADHD.

Wow. Yeah. So what does that entail? I mean, if you feel comfortable sharing. Well, I'm doing some behavioral stuff. You know, we're doing a couple of things. And then also, I got it. I don't like the way that sounds.

Sorry. I got it, man. Two for five. I got that I got that fix for people two for five Wait wait By vans or Adderall

Vi vans So wait How do you feel How do you feel You're on it now No no I'm not on it now It's been prescribed We had it today

So it's been prescribed I haven't had it yet I haven't gotten it yet So it's coming That was the call That was the call That was the call When I was telling the guy

Yeah That was the call That was the call That's a plug. That's a plug, man. Hey, bro. I got that vibe at Super 5. It was so funny.

As my doctor, shout out to Dr. Bowman. As Dr. Bowman was telling me about everything that we had to do, he was kind of like on the cool telling me not to become a drug dealer. You know, he's like. And listen to you now. Dr. Bowman is like a, you know, Dr. Bowman's my doctor, black doctor. great doctor. He's my great psychiatrist. Dr. Bumma's like, hey, you know,

people have problems with this. And they have to ask you these questions. They have to be like, you know, if you have problems with other things, maybe I wouldn't prescribe it to you. Like if you have problems with like, cocaine. And I'm like, yeah, yeah.

He's like so, yeah. Do you? Was he trying to fill you out? I'm like, I'm like, what? I'm like, what? He's like, I mean, it's something that we've never But you've, you know, that's not a thing. Is it?

I'm like, what? I'm like, no, no, I'm good. Okay, cool, cool, cool, cool. Because, you know, sometimes if you have something like that, maybe I wouldn't prescribe it, but I would lie. And then there's other stuff. Sometimes people get it. Maybe they want to, you know, sell it or something like that

because it's kind of hard to get. And it's not something that you whatever, you know, you never sell it. I'm like, I'm like, well, what do you mean? He's like, I'm just saying, you know, so it's a street drug, that's not going to happen with what I'm prescribed. So, I know that. I'm like, yeah, right. I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, yeah.

That's not going to, you know, that's not. He's like, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey. Just, you know, he's giving me all the things that can happen, giving me the. So we'll see. We'll see. I wonder what it does to you. Well, I'm proud of you. I'm proud of you for taking that step and deciding to make that decision.

I'm sure you won't regret it by any means. So it's going to be a great thing. What do you mean you wonder what's going to happen? It's going to be good for the thought words too because I'm serious about this. A lot of people, a lot of people don't understand kind of, you know, sometimes the blurting out and the interrupting and your brain going a million different places and all of that stuff. that's something that I've dealt with for like a very long time. Sure. And it's never really held me back from being able to achieve goals.

But at this point in my life, I really want to be focused in a very specific way. And I want to be task oriented, which is hard for somebody like myself to do. And so, you know, I'm just kind of taking that on. And maybe it'll it'll mean that we have better interactions here too. So it's just, you know. Oh, that means you're going to start paying attention to me. I pay attention to you all the time. That's some crazy stuff that the soulless jackals would say.

I'm messing with you. I'm really proud of you. No. Thank you very much. Okay. Is it time to get into the podcast? What are you going to tell me? I don't know.

I feel like there was something I was going to say. You have to say it, Rachel. I can't. No, I'm not holding back. Oh, the AA-C-P awards. Do we want to talk about that? Maybe that's what it was. Yep, that's coming up.

You got my hopes up because you said that we would know by Monday if we had won. And that was not true. So I'm over here searching the internet like crazy trying. I'm like, oh, well, where is it? Where's the announcement? Where's the announcement? Nothing. I have no clue what the fuck that thing was because it said Monday they were doing all the

categories or whatever. But I guess what I was. was reading was either old or I didn't know how to read it. You might have been in 2022. Everything, everything is all on Saturday night and we'll be there. It's not televised. No, that's not true. What's not true?

They've been doing a virtual ceremony since Monday. Like, you were right. All week they've been doing it and they announce awards. So I watched the virtual ceremony. It's like, oh, we're going to get announced and it was nothing. And then Tuesday they announced more. And then Wednesday they announced more. I don't think.

we're not, I don't know if we're Saturday, maybe we're Friday. Donnie? Donnie should Donnie. It is confusing because, okay, I've heard a couple of different things. There is an awards dinner on Friday where awards are going to be given out, but I've heard that our podcast is not up on Friday. So, but Black Girl Songbook is, which is also a Spotify ringer thing. I don't know. I don't know what's happening. So when is it? Listen, if we don't win, that's on y'all. Y'all didn't vote for us. You should have. Yeah, Rachel.

Try it again next to her. So we'll be there. I went to get my to get my tux. Damn, I told Brian he didn't need to tux. Well, it's not a tux. I got like a dinner jacket. You know what I'm saying?

Okay. I was like, yeah, yeah, it'll be fine. I'm a suit. I got to be real. I'm so self-conscious, man. You're going to, we are being honored, even as nominees, hopefully winners.

You should be proud. I'm so, so conscious. I already told Extra that you were going to give them an interview. An interview on the red carpet of Extra? Extra will be on the carpet. I'm not talking to them. I already told them you'd give them an exclusive. Okay.

Well, I'll give them an exclusive. I can't, so I'll do it, right? We're going to take pictures on the carpet. But I want to talk about soup kitchen. Why? What? We are literally talking about celebrating our podcast and what we do,

never mind, that he doesn't do. Well, what I'm saying is, how can I, okay, so no soup kitchen, how can I fuck with Extra

though? Since I'm going to be on the carpet, like what can I say to Extra to fuck them up? Can I say something about Billy Bush? Who's going to be interviewing me from Extra? Melvin. He's a sweetheart. Melvin?

Don't say his name. like that. I'm asking this. I like the emphasis that you put on Melvin. Is this Melvin black? Melvin's black. Melvin's black. I figure it from Englewood.

He and my producer Ray, my producer Ray will be there. Melvin is the new face with Good Day, L.A. as well. On Fox, everybody check him out. He and Jen, six to nine. Fox, if you're in the L.A. area. Melvin, uh, from Englewood, how so he's with blood? Where the families will be at. He is not a blood.

You don't know that. Actually, he's got New Orleans roots. His family came from New Orleans, moved to England. So before we move on, because we have to get into the show, this is like 20 minutes of pleasure trees now. Well, we didn't have it last Monday, Tuesday.

Let me ask you something. How do you know Melvin's not in the game? I'm serious. Like, have you known Melvin ever talked about his background? Yes. And what I did Melvin go to? What hospital did Melvin go to? Loyola.

See, don't do me. Okay. So he went to private school. So he went to private school. He's Claire. Okay. He's clear. Whoa.

Hey, Claire's got a real good parents. So, so Melvin, Melvin went to private school. He went to Loyal. Okay. Do you know what part of Inglewood Melvin's from? Because that don't mean anything either.

No. Because I'm not familiar with Englewood in that way. I know where I go to get my braids and where the stadium is. I'm telling you. Melvin. I think Melvin's in the game. Oh, you know exactly who Melvin is. Because you comment.

During the holidays, Extra decided to do a Merry Christmas, Happy Holidays video where everybody was dancing. I can't believe he did that. I was feeling the Christmas spirit, okay? I had a little holiday cheer. I had the little bounce going and everything. I was fit in the mood. Listen, Melvin is the one who organized it.

Melvin was the ballhead of black guy who was dancing. That's Melvin. Now, ask me the question again about a blood. I don't think of it. Ask me the question again. I don't think you're in the game. That nigger Melvin is my friend now. I fuck with Melvin.

He's great. And you will talk to him on Saturday. I've been commanded to and I will. Let's start the podcast. On the other side is, the big deal of the day, which I'm actually going to change. Yeah. What are you changing it to?

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from Azeb Rocky on the cover of, I think it was Vogue. British Vogue. British Vogue. Can you explain to me the way the Vogue's work? Is there a picking order in Vogue? Seriously. Is there one Vogue? Well, I mean, we have our own Vogue here, right?

But, like, Giselle's on Italy Vogue or Italian. I'm not sure how they say it. So I don't know if one's better than the other. I'm sure there is. I just don't know it. If you were going to be on Vogue, right? What Vogue would you want to be on? Like, what's the, would you, is it, is the regular Vogue the most prestigious Vogue? I don't know.

I mean, I would think so, the OG and everything else is a spinoff, but watch me be wrong. Watch British Vogue be the number one. I don't know, Vang. You ask me. Come on. So these two, these two magazine covers inspired a lot of talk. A-Sap Rocky was to some being led by Rihanna down the beach. Wow, he held the baby and covered his cock to the world.

They said, cock shame. Did you see this? See the cock shamed thing? Yes. Yeah, I saw the graphic where they like wrote all over it, like dissected it completely. Were you familiar with cockshane before this? No. And then Jonathan Majes was on the cover of Ebony Magazine.

Very swole. Pecks, huge pecks. And he had, it was like a pink jacket slash Boa type of deal. You know what I mean? People have seen the cover. It was a jacket. It was a coat.

It was like a pink coat. Jacket, and it was inspired by an anime called One Piece. We now know that. But people said that Jonathan Majors in this image, that it was emasculating the black male. And that we had two duly covers of who can make the black man into a bitch, the fastest. And it was, people were all up in arms.

Everybody was up in ours. What is Aesap Rocky done? What is Jonathan Majors done? You saw both of these, and obviously Ant Man and the Wash Quantum Mania came out. Jonathan Majors has his first fucking huge, gigantic big movie, which he'll follow this up with Creed. A. Sap Rocky and Rihanna's family are welcoming another baby. Also, their family just performed at the Super Bowl. So these two men are probably loving their lives more than anything at this very moment.

But according to parts of the internet, they're being a masculine. Yeah. The black, like, it was black Twitter, right? It was a huge conversation with, yeah, it was a huge conversation in our community. You saw it outside of that? No, but, you know, we can't make all of black, I'm making a face because you can't, we can't say that we made all of black Twitter responsible for saying that these two guys were maddenoumast.

This is where the conversation lived. I'm not saying that everybody on black Twitter agreed with this, but this is where we saw the discourse, right? It was something that was it within our community. I shouldn't be shocked that people had such a strong reaction to these covers. But I was. I got to be honest. I was.

I don't know if I thought that we progressed past that and moved to a place where we don't adhere to certain gender roles that have been placed on us, where, you know, like we don't play into these ideas of the patriarchy and, you know, the way that you. define mat, like, I guess being masculine isn't defined in a particular way. And especially when you look at, it's so odd. Like, if you take the Rihanna and the AAC Rocky cover, this is a man who's supporting his woman and holding their child. How, that is a strong image. That was a beautiful image to me. And I loved and respected the fact that they didn't, I didn't even look at it as Rihanna dominating. This was about her. This was her moment. And her man was supporting her on this cover. I wonder what the conversation had been different if it was just Rihanna. Would they have been saying, where's Asap Rocky? Why isn't he a part of this photo? I think that people were reaching for something

and they would have been upset either way. But to me, this was a powerful image to see this, like this beautiful black family supporting one another, him holding her hand and like watching. her do her thing. Jonathan Majors, first off, this is Ebony. This is a black magazine. So the fact that you would think that Ebony would be involved with emasculate, because I guess when you talk about it in the bigger sense, this is this whole notion of the Hollywood and white man is trying to amasculate the black man

because there's a history of that happening. Well, this is Ebony. And they're showing Jonathan Majors, in my opinion, in such a, beautiful way. He's strong in this photo. He's sure of himself. He's taking command of this photo. Who cares what color the coat is that's draped on? Who cares? And he's holding roses and he's got a satin, whatever that red thing was over him. To me, it showed somebody who was comfortable in their own skin. And I think if you have a problem with these two photos, then I think you are, one, I think it's extremely problematic. And I think you're reaffirming problematic stereotypes and putting them on this next

generation of what a man is supposed to be and what a man is supposed to look like, as if Aesab Rocky and Jonathan Majors didn't have a choice in deciding how they were going to be on these covers. Yeah, I, you know, so here's the thing. Van, you don't agree? No, of course I agree. But I think it's more, it's, it's interesting for me as I look at Jonathan Majors sitting right here.

He's got the, you know, he's got the jacking on, it's floral. He's got the paint background. He's sitting there. Cockshame again. He's got his legs crossed. Not showing the cock to the world. As men, we have to remember to show the cock to the world. That's what I've taken.

Can't shame the cock. You can't shame the cock. So it must also, it must always be out and about. You have to let it, let it. You have to unleash it. You can't keep it in a pin. You cock shame. You know what I mean?

The whole deal, you have to unleash you. Okay. So, with the Asap Rocky reality, let's just have a real moment of truth. Was she going to be in the background? It's her story. It's her story. Is she going to be in the background? On this?

No. Yeah. It's like, you know what I mean? AAP Rocky has had plenty of magazine covers. Aesop Rocky is a star in his own right. Aysab Rocky is a father and a partner. They have two children together soon to be. Okay.

It's Rihanna, it's Rihanna's moment that people are talking about. In terms of the Super Bowl, her emerging after years of having not performed, this entire sort of. Stepping into motherhood. Reemergence. Yeah, all of it. All in it. And Asob Rocky is there in terms of. of the Vogue situation.

Now, in their relationship, in their relationship, in their relationship, I'm sure that's not how it is. In their relationship, I'm sure they have a situation where they are co-parenting to where they have a way of making decisions for one another and making decisions for their relationship to where he considers her needs. she considers his needs. I'm sure that that's the dynamic that they have. Whatever works for them,

it's obviously going fine. They are together, have been together, have one kid, have another kid on the line. But in that situation, it's her thing. If LeBron James is on a magazine, Savannah James is on the magazine cover. If the magazine is Sports Illustrated,

it's going to be LeBron here and then his family behind him. It's like we really kind of out there reaching for this one. All right. Brother saw that. How can she be leading him? Another thing I'll say is, I don't know.

I grew up with a mother and a father in the household from my entire childhood. And I'm not so sure where the notion came from that black women aren't leaders in their households. Now, I'm not going to lie to you and tell you that my household didn't revolve around my father because it did. Like, my father was the anchor of our household, no doubt. But my mother ran our household. No bullshit.

And more than, and more often than not, I'd ask him for something and he told me to ask her. Yeah. And that's not a problem When I look at that photo, I don't think that's a photo that my father would have had a problem with whatsoever. I don't think that's what...

I think what the people who were against this photo, I think what they were saying is they would agree with what you just said. Yes, a woman leads a household, but doesn't lead like that. That's what they were saying. A woman has a certain duty, right?

She is supposed to step into motherhood and she is supposed to take care of the house and home and the kids and lead in that way. For the people who had a problem with this magazine cover, the woman isn't supposed to lead with what they saw on that. That showed something different. And I'm not agreeing with them. I'm just saying that's what they would say. They'd be like, sure, yeah. Women can lead in the household.

I think that's subject to, and you know, that's, but I agree with you. But that's where the problem in the interpretation lies. Absolutely. You're gleaning so much from a picture. And at some point, it tells me more about you than it does about Vogue or Aesaprocky or Rihanna. Whatever. The Jonathan Major's thing is really funny. And it's funny for a couple of reasons.

It's very funny. Okay. It's funny for a couple of reasons. Number one. And I want to talk to all the brothers that had a problem with the Jonathan Major's thing. I am not true. I'm not. I want to talk to me.

I promise you, I promise you, promise you, it's all right. You don't have to worry about this one. This one, because the brother's out there and they're trying to maintain the energy of black masculinity and they're looking for people who are trying to poke holes and buck break and emasculate and strip away the energy that they think that black men need to have

to be strong representatives in their culture and they're looking for all of these things. Now, a lot of that is probably magic doesn't really exist, but some of it does. There has been a history in America of trying to make black men weak, of trying to make black men befoons, of trying to take away the parts of black men

that white America would consider to be a threat. So you want to make them a sidekick, You want to make them a clown, a jester. You want to take away whatever masculine energy that the black man exudes that white America is afraid of. And then you want to make him into a unit. That's not something that people are making up. But I would say with the Jonathan Majors photo, the funny thing about it is it was diagnosed as something that's happening now. it's like, Donnie, I want you to do me a favor for the people that are watching the podcast

because I went throughout time and I looked at some different gentleman. I looked at Tupac. The David Lachapel photo shoot where Tupac was basically naked in a bathtub and there are gold chains all around to them. Now, there's no cock shame. It's got the cocks to the years. Legs are open. Yeah. Legs are open, right?

But that's Tupac and who I don't think anyone would consider. to be anything less than masculine in a sexy type of photo shoot where it's like I'm sexy Tupac man naked in the thing. David Lachapel is shooting it. Someone who's known for shooting high erotica in terms of his photos. I saw that one. I went back and looked at James Brown and his sex jumpsuit where he's wearing essentially a one piece jumpsuit with his chest out, sex on it.

sometimes a brother likes to get a little saucy. Sometimes a black man likes to be pretty. Nothing wrong with that. Earth went in fire. Went back and looked at some of the stuff that Earth went and fire were wearing. We're talking about things that we're considered to be like tunics, one pieces, chest out, all of that. Parliament Funkadelic.

The fact that black men have played, or performers, should I say, have played. We're not even getting to prints with either what. what is traditionally considered masculine or androgyny or skin tight, whatever. Skin tight. That is nothing new. At all ever has been going on.

I found a photo shoot of Mike Tyson where he's just in his draws with a title. He's at his house in his draws with a title. Is that emasculating Mike Tyson heavyweight champion of the world? Big Daddy King, pose for Playgirl. one like one where his butt is kind of is to the air.

These brothers are not people who are defined by the pictures they take. Right. That's a really weird way to define like a man. And when you look at all of this, performers, which we're talking about throughout the past have always engaged in pageantry. They've always engaged in, hey, look at this. Look at me. Blah, blah, blah. It's always been that being Rick James, be it whom ever.

There's, for all the brothers that was rocking the Rick James, for what you've seen Rick James wearing and some of this, there's no, you would not go out in that at all. But if you rocking the, any of that stuff. So this stuff is nothing new. And I'll tell you something else about it. Not only is it not new, the thing that is new is the version of masculinity

that some of these critics are adhering. to because pants were invented for the express purpose of riding horses in history. Pants started getting around because people need to be on horses. As people need to get on horses, pants go everywhere. People are riding horses and stuff. How we dressed where we're from, we wore tunets. We wore loincloths. We wore feathers.

We wore headdresses. We wore all of those things. That's where we're from. The idea of masculinity, a masculine dress that's being litigated in some of these conversations is a very Western European idea of how a man should look. And that look has come from centuries of dominance by one particular group. And it's just, when people were talking about, back in the day this happened with Kanye, Kanye was on stage

and he was wearing a leather kilt. Somebody would say a skirt. And it was like, that's not how a black man's supposed to dress. No, actually, that is how a black man dressed. For thousands of years,

that's how black men dressed. And the idea of how you're supposed to dress or what a man is supposed to look like, I just want people to understand that in a lot of cases, a white man told you. The irony of it. Yeah.

Like a white man told you what that is. Like when you look at, I have a million different, Donnie can run a million different pictures I looked up of Jonathan Majors. And I can look back at Western African tribal chiefness or Western African brothers that are in tribes. And they look exactly the same as him. They don't have that type of muscle tone. Okay. You know what I mean?

They don't have that type of muscle. But that's how they look. And so us celebrating being big, being loud, colors, feathers, all of that stuff, I don't, sometimes I wonder if they know if, I mean, I guess I don't. Do we know who? Yeah. They don't. I just think it's, it's funny. The irony in it of you're accusing white man of emasculating us by putting us in certain things. Yet you're reinforcing their culture, Western culture, right? As you just broke it down. Interesting. Anyways, they both look great. They both look fantastic on these covers. They do whatever the fuck they want to do. For adults with Crohn's disease or ulcerative colitis symptoms, every choice matters.

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Eminem, I have to get on this just real quick because... Tell them why this interests you so much, fan. Expose yourself. Tell you why? Because I'm in. I'm fully in. I get a phone call this week. Speaking of all the things that happen this week,

I get a phone call this week. Kalika pops up on my phone. I'm like, oh, my girl, Kalika, yeah, we need to catch up. I haven't talked to her. I pick up the phone. Immediately I find out I'm on speaker. And it is Kalika and Van wanting to talk to me because Van is all in on none other than Real Housewives of Potomac.

And I don't just mean pass through the room, saw a scene he liked. No, he is well-versed on season seven of Real Housewives of Potomac. which is why this next topic is interesting to you because you are up to date on what is happening with these women. And, Van, can I just say welcome? We're so happy to have you. What you're trying to do on the low is kind of like shame me.

It's okay. I want to host a watch party. I am not trying to shame you. Let me tell you something. I welcome you with open arms. Ashley Darby, Mia, the Grand Dom, Robin. Hold on. Hold on. Let me name them all. Is one name Wendy?

Yes. Yes. You got two more. Wendy's the smart lady. And then you got you got Candace. Okay. And one more. Did I say Robin already? You said Robin. Who's the other half of the green eye bandit? Bandits. So hold on. Let me name them all.

It's Ashley, Mia, Candice, Robin. Jazeel. That's who you didn't name. Jizel. Okay. Jazele. Jazele Brian. Shout out to Jazele Brian.

I've been watching. Everybody has her own little story. Okay. Everybody has that own story. Mia, is her family rich or not? The joint chiropractic. Have they gone under? Who knows?

Okay. Candice, her husband, the white guy. Cool guy. Did he say something inappropriate to Jaze? Hmm? Did he ask her to talk in private? Has he been dimming people? Find out, who knows?

What's going on? Ask Darby, is she divorced? Is she not divorced? Who knows? Who knows? Who knows whether or not she's divorced? She's got two kids. What's the status of the pre-up?

She said she got fucked over in the pre-dub. Robin? Blonde woman from Georgetown? The hotel, blonde like me? The hotel lady? They said that Karen the Grand Dame will fuck anything. and she was having sex with people.

So I'm watching the whole show. I've been watching the show. The show is good. I'm not going to bullshit you. Here's the thing. I'm not going to bullshit. The show is good. Coquica's been watching no jumper.

I've been watching. I've been a shout out to the Lush One, the cocaine bot. I've been watching Real Housewives. And I see the story pop up. Eminem opposes the Real Housewives of Potomac. The stars Jaselle Bryant and Robin Dixon, their trademark

Reasonably Shady. They have a podcast called Reasonably Shady. Okay. They want to trademark that. But M&M has filed an opposition against Robert Dixon and Gissel Bride saying that it could cause confusion in the marketplace. The use of the word shady could confuse consumers. They launched his podcast in 2021 and submitted the trademark application in February 2020. and they are interested in producing merchandise associated with their show.

I'm a fan of Eminem. Have been a fan of Eminem. Okay. I'm sure this is just business for Eminem. I feel a way that Eminem is trying to act like somebody could reasonably confuse, shading, reasonably shading, the show, with his brand of shadings. It's a total different brand of shadings.

I personally think I'm uncomfortable, if I'm being honest with you, with Eminem, who I love, who I think Eminem is a great rapper and all of this stuff. He was,

that was when I was, he was one of the first great lyric, I'm not, oh, that's bullshit. Fuck on that. Like, he's not one of the first great lyricists, whatever,

but I'm saying when I was in college and I was listening to a rap that was different than the rap that I was listening to, Eminem was one of the first lyrical miracle type niggins that I was into. I went into that lyrical miracle shit. Okay, I was, I was into that fucking hot boys. That's what the fuck I was listening to.

I was into that scarface is lyrical as fuck, but I was listening to all of that shit. But the first, it was Eminem and I really fucked with it. I'll fuck with Eminem. Whatever. I don't like the fact that he's going at them talking about they can't have reasonably shady. I don't think that that, Eminem,

it's too black. Ladies leave me alone, let them have their t-shirts and shit. What the fuck? Am I wrong? No, you're not wrong. And I, too, was a fan of Eminem more so back in the day. And I have known about reasonably shady since it launched in 2021. And not one time did I think, oh, shady, slim shady. I never even compared the two.

And so, I mean, Eminem is saying that people can confuse the shady, the shady name with his brand, I don't think that this is going to, I mean, this is a waste of time and money on both parts because they're going to have to defend this at this point. But what I will say, I'm upset with Giselle and Robin because you should have filed paperwork to trademark this podcast before 2021 when you had the idea.

Why are you waiting almost a year later in 2022 to decide to trademark this? You should have done this. And you could have avoided this. Maybe you could have changed it. the name, could save the little money. Now here you are, and you're going to have to deal with this, and now it's in this with the public. I don't think it'll withstand.

I don't think people can confuse the two, but, you know, here we are. They'll be fine. They'll be able to keep it. Does he ever say reasonably shady? Does he ever use that term? It's just the shady. It's just the word shady. No, no, no, he's slim shady.

Slim shady. It's just the shady. Let me tell you something right now. Eminem's music might have not aged, like, incredibly well in terms of, you know, just like wake up in the morning and put some Eminem on while you're doing your thing. But let me tell you. A lot of it's problematic. A serial killer had murder material in the cereal box on top of your stereo.

What? Eminem was, Eminem crazy. Eminem was rapping. I'll be like, what the fuck is he? What the fuck is this guy? Seven different levels of devil worship, a horse. sex, human sacrifices, cannibalism, canals, nexus, animals have sex,

on camels, mammals, and rabbits, but I don't get in there. I kick the habit, I just beat you the depth of weapons. They eat through the flesh, and I never eat you unless the fucking meat looks fresh. And when it was doing the crazy shit. But you got to let these black women have they trademarking to them. Okay? You have a problem because they're two black women. Have a problem because they were white.

If they were white, you wouldn't care. Wouldn't give a fuck. I have a problem because they're just, let's just keep around with it. I have a problem that's two black women. So I have a problem with it. Eminem, let's be real. Let's be always real. Made a lot of money off black culture.

A lot of money off black culture. And he's always been good about that. He's always been good about the fact that, hey, you know, he goes out there. He wins the award and Eminem thanking people that had nothing to do with the album. Eminem, you know, everybody goes up there. I'd like to think by producer and whatever. And Eminem wins an award. He goes up there.

Yeah, yeah. Shout out Cool Herk and the Sugar Hill Gang, you know, Grand Master Five, the Furious. You know what I'm saying? man, him and him is thanking the niggas that invented the MPC. Eminem is thanking motherfuckers all the way back because he knows that there's a debt owed for him to be able to stand up there. And some of the things that he might have gotten, maybe because he was white and MC. He's dope as fuck. Don't get me wrong.

Dope as fuck. But he's always been good about this. This? Come on, man. The black ladies. They're not going to take no one. But you let him have the shady shit. Okay?

Selfie fun. Come on. Come on. Come on Eminem. We're looking at you. Mom spaghetti. Mom spaghetti, motherfucker. Do you think he's aware?

Sorry. This is just his team being like up. We got deemed because somebody's filing this and they're just doing a routine. Protect the shadiness. So can you be mad at Eminem? Can you really be mad at Eminem? I'm not mad at Eminem. I'm just saying, hey, Eminem, now that we know, am I mad? Say, everybody won't get mad.

Now that we know, let the ladies have their shady shit. They earned it. They earn any with some of the stuff that's coming out. You are such a fan of that Potomac. And the thing is, what thrills me is you don't even know what's waiting on the first six seasons that you have yet to watch because you got to go back. Like I'm listening to you describe where they are now. I'm like, oh, my God, if only you knew.

If only you knew. I don't want to go back. Have you met Happy and Ness? See? No, who's happy in Ness? I met the Cookie Monster. Whitney's new breast. Oh, that's Whitney's new breast.

Happy and this. There's so much. You just had no idea. I met the cookie monitor, the cookie monster girl, you know, the one that looks like the cookie monster. She's Sesame Street. Sesame Street characters. Sesame Street character.

Marjorie Taylor Green wants to get divorced from you. She doesn't want to be a part of America anymore. Your thoughts real quick. I mean. Donnie played Marjorie. Play the clip. Yeah. Well, exactly, Sean. That's the problem in where we are today. And in my life and my world,

all of my friends are regular Americans. Everyone I talk to is sick and tired and fed up, being bullied by the left, abused by the left, and disrespected by the left. And our ideas, our policies, our ways of life have become so far apart that it's just coming to that point. and the last thing I ever want to see in America is a civil war. No one wants that. At least everyone I know would never want that. But it's going that direction. And we have to do something about it.

My thoughts? Yeah. I think it's easy to write off or ignore some of the things that Marjorie, Taylor Green, has to say, because she's always saying, it seems like she's talking out the side of her neck. and majority of the time that she is. But her saying she wants this national divorce or basically to split up the red and the blue states, it isn't that new.

She's not the first person. She won't be the last person to talk about this. And this is something that we've seen since, honestly, it's talk that different parties have had on both sides since this country started. So it's not why. to hear her say this, but I do think that it's something that we have to take into consideration, because if you look at where we are right now as a country, we're not getting along.

You don't hear people who just have this desire. I mean, yes, people love this country, but you just don't, as a whole, hear people say, we love where we live. We love what's happening in our country. We, you know, like, there's no, we're not unified in any kind of way. So it's not wild to think that there could be talks on, not just on the Republican side, but there's Democrat side of what do we do to get better? Is the answer? Do we need to look at how this, you know, like the Constitution? Do we need to look at how this country is unified? Is there a way to maybe divide this country? And so I'm not saying that I'm for this. I'm just saying that I actually think this is this is a conversation that I don't think it's going to stop with Marjorie.

I'm serious. I don't think that it's going to stop because especially with the Supreme Court, as right-leaning as it is, you're going to have more Democrats they're going to be upset by the decisions that are made in this country and are going to call for some sort of change.

And if we can't come together in Congress and agree and do things that unify this country to come together, we're going to continue to be separated and it is likely

that we could lead to some sort of division. I'll put it that way. Wow. Rachel. I'm so shocked. Okay, okay, okay. I'm not saying it's, I agree with it,

but I think more people will start talking like Marjorie. Probably. So let's talk about some of the talk in the past. Mm-hmm. In terms of the first time that there was a Civil War, the first time that, you know, two sides, whatever. So there have been decades of sort of tension between the north and the south, and there are all kinds of things that create tension between

two different enclaves, right? You have cultural tension. You're a bunch of Yankees, and you have economic tension, which comes from goods and services that are being produced at that time. In the South, a lot more, increasingly more as the country got older,

goods and services were produced. In the South, the South was very rich, blah, blah, blah. And there were the hubs of media and things like that were particularly in the North, so there was a little back and forth there. And then what you had was obviously one flashpoint issue, which seems to be the thing that's missing in the Civil War gumbo here. And that flashpoint issue was slavery. And there was a

couple of different times that that was tried to rectify. You have the Missouri compromise. You had the compromise of 1850. But there was just, it was getting to a point to where there was just too many different things that were, it was coming to a head. And that was the head that was rearing its ugly head was slavery. And that was the thing to where one side was like, hey, we want to curb this. And the other side, it's like,

this is part of our lifeblood and we can't exist without it. And then you go to war. I still haven't seen an issue that is that consequential to lead to that. What I've seen is a bunch of micro tears. And what's left to be

kind of understood as whether or not those micro tears lead to a gigantic fracturing or a gigantic rip in the fabric of America. Right. And it would seem like Dobbs would be something akin to slavery, but it's not. It hasn't been. it's been something that people were very afraid of and are still working really hard to rectify. But for still, in my opinion,

large swaths of Americans refuse to believe how crazy the Republicans are. And it doesn't matter what they do. We live in a society now that's so distracted that we're literally banning books. Like we're literally, like we're not approaching

something. We're like there. We're literally banning books. We're literally erasing history. We're doing all of these things. But there's still people that refuse to gird up their loins and jump head first into this battle.

If there's ever one issue that changes that, you might see some sort of major, major, major schism that leads to an irreparable conflict between the two sides besides war.

You can look at it that way, or you can look at the fact that January 6th, 2020 was the first battle in the American Civil War and everything else is a slow burn. It just depends on how you look at it. Yeah, I guess you talk about these microchairs. Is that the word you use? And when I look at, there's so many of them, and I believe many more to come. that they will leave build up. I don't think it's going to be one single issue.

If it gets to this, I think it's going to be a buildup of it. That's why I mentioned the power that the Supreme Court has. We've already seen them make decisions. They're already implementing certain things on the state level to be moved up a certain way to where the Supreme Court has to hear them and where these laws are going to change again. I think you're going to get so many of those that that's where you're going to have the issue. because what the other side wants is less federal,

like less control from the government. They want the power with the states, which is why Marjorie Taylor Green says, this is what our founding fathers wanted. Because when this nation was started or when they came here before it wasn't even a nation, these colonies were all running to get separately. They weren't unified.

They became unified to fight in the Revolutionary War, not because they necessarily wanted to because they wanted to fight to be one together to fight against the British. So she's saying, let's go back to a time where we were all separated

instead of, and didn't have much government, the government controlling what it is that we were doing. That's what I think is going to lead up to a civil war. That's why I say we're going to be divided because I think we're going to continue

to see more power given to the states. and it's going to change what we've, like Dobbs. I'll just use Dobbs as an example. I just think this is going to change things that have been in place for decades and decades and decades. And that's what's going to build up to the bigger problem. So I understand. But it's gobbly book. It's nonsense.

It's a civil war? No. the, so I want people to kind of, not people, let me tell you how I look at this. First of all, there are a couple of things that for anybody who might advocate or think, this wouldn't be such a bad thing. There are huge, huge, huge, both military and economic consequences to a breakup of the union. So one reason, like one reason why I think that something like that, isn't likely to happen is because corporate America would have to sign off on that.

There really hasn't been a war in years that corporate America hasn't given the okay to. And a lot of people are going to lose a lot of money if there's a civil war, like a lot of people. And as much as we talk about what should happen in America and what will happen in America, a lot of this stuff is, and there are a couple of issues that are more cultural than they are financial and abortion happens to be one of them. But a lot of these things have to do more with who's getting rich and powerful than they have to do with what people actually believe. Right.

And another thing is like, for anyone that would want there to be two separate countries, like along the Mason Dixon or however that would work, would you really, really want a nuclear power just to the, the south of you that was run by the likes of Marjorie Taylor Green? Oh, no, yeah. Would you really want a country with that type of economic strength, with that type of, because they would have that, with that type of economic strength, with that type of military presence, just sharing a border with you, with those type of, we're talking about Gileon.

Yeah. Like, essentially. Like, would you, would you really? So I think the disturbing thing about the talk of the civil war is that that's the beginning. It starts off with talk. And then it moves into, but Marjorie Taylor Green is a fucking buffoon. But she's not the only one who said it. Yeah.

That's all I'm saying is we've been here before, not to this extreme, as far as Civil War, but we write somebody off. I'm just saying, I think this is the beginning of the talk. I think more people will start to say this as certain things keep happening in our country. I'm not saying that I think we're going to have a Civil War. I think there's too much fear of the unknown of what that will look like for people to fully, truly act on it. Would you be favor, if it could be peacefully done, would you want to separate the country from

I don't want to see what? that looks like. No, for exactly what you just said. Economically, I think that that weakens the way both of those countries, however they're divided, it'll weaken it against other outside foreign powers. I think we'll look so weak. It'll be so bad. What would Miami do? Miami would be in such a lot. I guess Miami's kind of a Republican stronghold in ways, right? Now it is. It would be so weird going down to Miami trying to get your shit off. You know,

if Miami was under the... They would. They'd create a new Miami. New Miami. You'd have new Miami. New Miami. It would be so weird to go down there and be called a boy. It's weird.

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Go ahead, crack open a can of Nass energy and get after it. Dionne Sanders. Deion Sanders is a football coach, Colorado, Pac-12. And he said something that pissed a lot of people off. Run it, Donnie. Now, quarterbacks are different. Yeah. We want mother father, you know, dual parent. We want that kid to be three, five, and up because he's got to be smart. Not bad decisions off the field at all because he has to be a leader of men. It's so many different attributes and what we look for when we see a quarterback. And you would love a coach's son. Somewhere that the coaches coached him, and I'm not going down my road. I see you're smiling.

I know who you're talking about your quarterback is right now. Like O. Lyman, I look for dual parent homes. Right. A strong. father that they adhered to. Right. Smart kid, three, at least three, three and above. You're also describing hurts. Yeah, it's tough. I mean, physical. I mean, offensive.

The defense alarm is totally opposite. What do you mean? Single mama. Trying to get it. He's on free lunch. I mean, like, I mean, I'm talking about just trying to make it. He's trying to rescue mama.

Who's laughing? Who's laughing? Switch eyes in the first. the crew. Do I have a problem with this? Absolutely. I mean, I don't... Has Dion ever said anything like this before?

Um, I mean, I feel like I would have heard about it, so I don't really know. I don't think so. So I know a lot of times people accuse Dion Sanders as pandering to white people. This would be a moment of that. Interesting. I...

He thought he was funny. And I believe he believes what he said. I'm not saying he doesn't believe it. But I think he was also trying to be funny and to make them laugh, which he definitely did at the expense of black people. I mean, here he is reiterating stereotypes, racial stereotypes against black athletes and saying that he implements them in his own program. How can you not have a problem with this? And what's even more wild is you're describing the type of quarterback that you want. And your son doesn't even fit in that.

Does your son come from a two-parent home? I'm not saying that's what I agree. I'm just saying, Shador, Deion Sanders is divorce. Yeah. You're looking at me like, it's not true. But he's married. No, he's not married. Deon Sanders is married to Tracy Edmonds.

No, he's not. Wait, what? They're not married. Donnie. Donnie? Yeah. He is unmarried. Yeah, he's been unmarried since 2013.

So your son doesn't fit into the stereotype that you look for in a quarterback. Tracy, Tracy Evans and Dionne Sanders don't even live together? They might. But she's out here a lot. You think she lived in Jackson, Mississippi? I don't know. My point is that your own son doesn't fit into whatever stereotype you say that you're looking for a black quarterback. So everything that you're saying, I don't know if you're being serious or not,

I think you are. it's lazy, it's a lazy narrative, it's problematic, and it allows other people to hold these same type of beliefs in their own programs. And you're a black man talking about talking like this. Imagine what white coaches say, or now you're giving the excuse for white coaches to be like, well, Dion Sanders even implements this into his own program. Yes, I have a problem with it to answer your question. And stop trying to look up if Tracy Emmons is married to him. She's not. I've seen that they got engaged in 2019,

but they have not been married. Stop looking for it. I'm telling you, he's not married to her. So he's not, okay, so he's not married to her, but I think that to say that Chador didn't have like a two-parent household is kind of. You're looking for an athlete that doesn't have

a two-parent household in high school, right? It's when you start looking at these players, right? When you're recruiting them. Yeah, but there was always two people in his house, though. That's not true. They've been living together since 2013. You don't know that. Anyways, I'm not going to, we're not here to argue over that, but I'm just saying,

is that how he's going to look at it? If he was, if he, Shador was not his kid and had the same type of upbringing, I'm just saying, you want a, you want a two, a mom and a dad is what he said. Okay. So this is my thing about this. my thing about this is are we mad that this is being said or are we mad because Dion Sanders said?

I'm mad because it's being said. Anybody could have said that and I would have had a problem with it. Okay. So then my thing is, and this is what I always wonder about Dion Sanders or even back in the day like a puff or anybody.

Let me tell you why I bring up Puff in the situation. I'm not trying to let Puff catch the strings. But back in the day, people would complain about their bad boy deals. Like artists, it was very famous, the Lox complained about their bad boy deal. And, you know, Puff and the Lox went back and forth. Everybody's cool now. I feel like everybody understands. Like right now, Jess Lairis is saying that she didn't get paid $15,000 from Master P for something.

You know, kind of is what it is. And I think sometimes that people care extra when black people, black men are in positions like that. And they play the game like the game is played. They care extra because they feel like those guys should have more insight or should value players or talent in a different way because they come from the same types of backgrounds. When I saw this, I thought that's all fucked up. Of course it's fucked up.

But it's fucked up because it is commodifying the athlete. It's commodifying the athlete to a degree that assumes that said athlete is a prisoner or is somehow different as a human being in their makeup because of the experiences that they come from, situation that they come from. Like a quarterback couldn't be great from a single parent home. Or that like a lineman has to be like hungry to get out the hood in order to bust through an office of lineman and get a tackle. And when you consider the fact that some of these situations are, if we're being honest, they're more common in some of the areas that Dionne Sanders might be referred. you feel sorry for the kids because they're being judged,

which is the fear of sometimes being black in America, they're being judged not by who they are, but by the circumstances that they were born into. Okay. And that's unfair. And as black people, that's what we would like America not to do with us. Right.

And to see Dion Sanders doing it seems like even more of a slap in the face. I have news for people, though. that is how this game is played. And that is a fact. That is if you've paid attention to the interviews, not even in college, to the interviews at the NFL Combine or any type of scouting for your college team, what Dionne Sanders just said is how dirty that game is. I've heard coaches say before that they don't want quarterbacks that don't have attractive girlfriends.

because if you don't have an attractive girlfriend, then you lack the requisite confidence that it takes to go out there and be a great quarterback. Those guys are making so much money at the level of football that they're coached. We're talking about college and, of course, in the pros as well. Players are making money, but the gyms are making money too. But their jobs depend on every little aspect of grading

and evaluating the player, and they are not fucking nice about it. We talked about on this podcast about when Colin and black and white came out and Colin Kaepernick

did that thing where he compared to NFL Combine to a slave auction and everybody thought that that was too far. That's how that is. I mean, they're not forced to work.

They're not, obviously, we can't, compare what our ancestors went through being in bondage to guys making millions of dollars. And I get that criticism, and it's not something that I would do. However, if we're talking about the way the black body is used, examined, like interrogated, investigated, and all of that stuff, it's pretty much the same. So I think in this situation, the disappointment that people would have with Dion Sanders

is because Dion Sanders is black. Because if you have a problem with the sort of the metric that he's using to evaluate players, then you have a problem with college football, period. And if we're asking Dion Sanders to be better than that, or any black coach to be better than that because he said he was going to turn Jackson and stand around or because he should understand how fucked up that is. That's one thing. But I hope that everyone that would watch football,

particularly football in this way knows that that is exactly the way these guys are evaluating these players, particularly at the Power 5 level where minute differences in who they are could affect the way that they perform on the field to these vast degrees. So, so, so, so because that is the system that Dion Sanders coach is in, are you saying that that's okay? He's just playing the game? Well, well, it's a fact that he's just playing the game.

What I'm saying is which when we have or shouldn't we have a higher expectation for him to not do that to his own people? That is the question. I say yes. The question is should we expect Deon, and I think that's the question that we've been asking about Deion Sanders for months now. The question is, should we expect Deion Sanders to be, should we expect him to be half coach, half activist? And a lot of people say he was half coach, half activist.

A lot of people said when you go down there and you say that you're doing what you're doing at Jackson State, because God called you to do it, or you're doing it for this, or you're doing it for that, that you made yourself half coached half activists. For me, what I don't understand to your point is why we're sitting around having this conversation with Rich Eisen,

I don't think he understands the optics to that. No, because he would understand how that looks. The way I would want my coach, I would want my coach to be in a situation. And I don't know what I'm saying that my coach is, because I hope Brian Kelly hasn't talked about this. And coaches that Southern haven't talked about.

So you would hope that somebody would say, that and then somebody else would come in, particularly a black coach and be like, well, these young men are human beings. And what I want to do is give them the opportunity to realize their present and their future and not judge them by their past and what they were born into.

That's what you were wont. I also don't think Dion Sanders would have made these comments if he was on like a first take. Why? I don't think he would have said what he said to somebody who was black. I just don't. I don't think he would have.

So you think he was shucking and jiving is what you're saying? I said pandering to white people. Oh, pandering to white people. Okay, that's a shuck. I did say that. I mean, he made other comments during this whole, this talk as well. And he was talking about the weather and the lack of crime in Boulder, Colorado. He said, I love the weather and I love that there's no crime.

He said it was four weeks before I saw police here. I had to stop him. He's comparing him to Jackson. But you see what I'm saying? He was doing a lot of talking like that. And to me, I think he was doing that because of the setting and the stage that he was on. That's my personal opinion. I'm not saying your opinion is wrong.

I'm saying, do you think, do you view these statements as being anti-black? The statement that he made in regards to what he's looking for is anti-black to me. If you are reiterating racial stereotypes, black ones, that's anti-black. Huh. That was advocate. he never mentioned whether or not the players were black or white. So he didn't. But as you talked about

that this is how a lot of the coaches think, it's in regards to black athletes. So mostly black athletes. Because we're talking about 65, 70%, no, you're not wrong. So, you're not wrong, just having a conversation. But when I looked at that, I'm like, come on, Dion.

It seems like we're kind of going, We would love to have Deion on the podcast to kind of figure out what the fuck is happening. But I will say, but I will, but I will, but I will say this, though. Just, just so people know that what he's talking about right there is what they do. Now, we're expecting him to be different or other black coaches to be different because they're black, which, you know, I have no problem saying that. I have no problem saying, well, hey, you should have an extra added bit of context to some of the things that you might say, think or believe because you're black. And that's one thing. But that's how that game is run. We need a coach on here. If we can't get Dion, we should have a coach. I'd love to hear a coach say this is what they do.

I don't think they would. I would love to have a coach on here. I'm the kind of guy that goes to a recruiting board and looks up recruits. and looks up who LSU might be getting and who else you might be not getting the stuff that they say God has a great relationship with his father his father's in his life, his Bible lots of very It's just, it's just facts.

The people on the message board and the people who are evaluate, like, this is kind of how they talk about these players. It's a fact. And you know what? And the reason why I think is important to say that is because sometimes we watch and get into football and we've had this conversation without understanding

that it's a fucking meat market. Like, it really is. It's a fucking meat market where they don't give a fuck about these young black athletes beyond what it is that they can do on the football field. Nick Nolte says something. Nick Nolte says something in Blue Chips. He's like, there's a kid out there. And the kid, he's already going left.

He's going right. He's getting up. He's dunking it. He's already above the rim. And right now he's playing for the love of the game. But I tell you, something's going to happen to this kid. In a second, somebody is going to walk up to him, and they're going to start talking to him.

They're going to offer a scholarship. And why is that going to happen? They're going to ruin everything he loves about the game because they know that their future employment is in his hands. And that's kind of, that's the way it goes. So, you know, I was shocked, I think, that we'll get office now. I was shocked because I think that a lot of people were shocked

that coaches would think or say that. That's how it is, though. It's weird. Okay. Are you familiar with Groving Gorilla and the chicken boy? Big Groove. Big Groove. Big Groove.

Big Groove is who is. This guy's name is. I've seen this dude before. I have to. I'm not familiar with the chicken one. I got to keep it all the way real, man. Shout out to Big Groove and everything that he got going on. I wish Big Groove, nothing but success

and whatever it is that he want to do moving forward. And I hope that Big Groove, like, dances his heart out, gets everything that he wants in life. Having said that, I hate that, nigger, man. I'm sorry, bro. I'm sorry. I wish I could be a little bit. It's like,

God damn, Big Groove. So he used to go by the name of Groove and Gorilla, but he changed it. And the other TikToker... Because he got backlash. We should say that. And rightfully so.

Another TikTok that's under fire is Elijah Smith who goes by the handle official Yuddy Gang TV he eats food basically chicken that makes funny noises like black Twitter is referring to Elijah

as the chicken boy they did a collaboration together where they did they dance and made chicken noises while eating chicken and waffles I implore you guys to watch this video I swear on my dad,

I don't want to be offended. I promise y'all, I don't want to be offended. I don't, I'm like, yo, let these motherfuckers dance and eat chicken. I had no choice. They took it out of my soul. Everybody was talking about it.

I hadn't seen it. I didn't want to be offended. Are you offended by Grooving Gorilla and Chicken Bull? I'm disturbed. Like, every time I see Big Groove, I, like, immediately have to pass through his videos because I'm, my mouth is on the floor. Every single time I see anything from Big Groove.

I am, I'm disturbed. You ever meet Big Groove before? No. And I'm sure he's a nice guy. I'm sure the other one is too. I didn't even know who the other one was until this all came out. Chicken boy. I'm not familiar with him

but I just find it all extremely disturbing that's how I feel I'm not I don't think it's funny I'm not entertained I'm disturbed I gotta have big roof and chicken board on the podcast Rachel For what?

You have to because I don't want to give it any more attention I think so you should let people know there is a petition out there to stop to basically cancel them to stop There's an activist

that is behind a change.org petition that is please asking them to be removed maybe from social media accounts begging them to stop. And for me, I say, if you feel that strongly about it, let's just not give these guys any more attention. For those who want to see them,

for those who want to see it and participate and like it and follow it, good for you. For me, no, I'm telling you, man, right now. If we talk to him and he starts grooving, I'm out. I know we got to talk to be grooved. I have to know.

For the people that watch the podcast, I really want you guys to watch the podcast this week on YouTube, because we're going to have pictures of some of the other people that I was talking about in terms of the Jonathan Major's story, and we're going to show you that sketch from Big Groove and Chicken Boy.

And if not, I want you guys to do homework. As you watch this part of the podcast, which you pause it, which you bring up the Big Groove and Chicken Boy video. Because there's no fucking way we can have this conversation about Ruby and Chick-Boy,

chicken-a-chick, without you guys having seen and participated in the video just like we did. Okay, so you have to do it. I don't want to be offended. I don't want to be mad. I swear, I tried, Rach.

I'm like, I'm not going to be mad. I'm like, I've seen Big Groove before. I've seen Big Groove before. And it's like, oh, big nigga dancing. It's funny. He's got very, he's very, he's slings. He's slings.

for such a big guy. It's the same dance move. It's the same dance move. It's just like, how long is this going to go on? How long is this going to keep going? So, and then I watched it. And I was like, nah, man, big groove got to sprain his PCL or something like that.

Like, seriously, man, big group, big group got a pop a hammie. Like, not, I don't want nothing, like, but big groove got to, not pop it, but big group got to, like, strain a hamstring or get like a bosh up strain. just the groove need to chill for a second. It's just so hard.

They had the chicken like it was a mistletone. And chicken boy was over there holding the chicken. And it wasn't just like a regular piece of chicken. It was this big, ignit, dripping piece of chicken. Like the piece of chicken that a white person thinks that a black person cannot resist.

Because, you know, if you put some regular chicken, like free range chicken to a nigga, a nigga might be like, nah, I'm not hungry. But white people think somewhere that, like, if you get a big,

A honey-coated piece of chicken That niggins just can't say no That's the type of piece of chicken That chicken boy had And he lured Big Groove It was like sensuous between them Like he lured Big Groove You watched it too much

Enough I'm like I'm like Yo I'm so fucking mad right now No I'm so I'm like Big Groove and Chicken Boy

We'll see I seriously want to have Big Groove on the podcast though What are we gonna talk about Cardi B says that we should get off Big Roof Dick. Yeah, I mean, I think trying to cancel them and having a petition is a bit too far

although I found it funny but, you know, to each their own it's not for me. It's not funny. Melbaat. What's the end game? Mailback time. Time to read your letters and then we'll reply to them.

Oh, it's Mailback. Write us with your queries And we'll chime in All right First mailback question comes from Savon 28 They asked What's something you used to deeply believe

But no longer do How and why has it changed? That I deeply believed That was true? That was the question was? What's something that you deeply believe But you no longer believe this thing? Maybe not even deeply.

I have a lighter question. Yeah. This question is stupid. Yeah. It's not stupid. It's not stupid. It's too deep. This next one is super light.

Okay. From taro and or kids. They ask, what songs remind you of your dog or dogs? What songs remind me of my dogs? Terrible question. O for two. I'm going to be honest with you guys.

Really? A song that reminds me of my dog? I've never thought about I think Van and I both make up songs for our dogs Yeah So there is not like a We do originals Okay, it's like

Y'all got some original examples Yeah, like is Wozily Wozily like Wozily Wabbitt The Wabbit Pupp of Dogs They have a hello little dog Those are, those are tight You gotta put it to a rhythm Hello

Harmony I put the So I have a song called Hello Little Dog that is to the come on feel the noise beat. Hello little dog. I say that when I come home. Okay. Well, mine is one of them. Okay, what is it?

One of them. I say, we are family. Hey, hey, hey, hey, Brian Copper Brownie and me. That's great. That's a song. Okay. You know, I guess that song reminds we are family. Yeah.

So that's, well, you know what? We're both stupid because number one, the answer is, come on, feel the noise. And we are family. I'm sorry, Terrell and child. Okay, what's, what's, it was a great question because it was true. Great question. Yeah, good ones. Okay, last one is from Kevin O. Fart Snake.

They ask, if either of y'all could, if either of y'all could, if either of y' I have kids, what is the TV show slash movie you'd be most excited to show them? Oh my gosh. I like that. TV show. The Cosby Show. Damn. You know how it just meant so much to me as a kid.

The Gosby Show. And movie. That's so nuts that she would say that. What's your show? TV show? I don't know about if there's like a TV show. Movie would be like probably like Returned to Jedi or something like that.

Depends on the age. Yeah. I saw, I saw, I saw, um, I saw like do the right thing when I was like 10 years old, 10 or 11 years old. And it was, uh, it was great. And I really appreciate the movie more a couple of years later because when I was that age, I couldn't get past Rosie's tisies.

It was the whole point of being, you know. And then they dropped again and white men can't jump and came back. It was just a whole time of my life. There was a whole time of my life where I really realized that women are real. It's a woman and titties.

Buts. I pick a Disney movie. Like hunchback on Notre Dame? Absolutely not. That's not the first one I would pick. You don't like that movie? I pick like Lion King. Oh, speaking of

Disney movies, I was in the theater for Ant Man in the Lost Quantumania and they played they played the aerial trailer. I was looking around. I was on edge for whites. I was.

They played the aerial Little Mermaid trailer. I was like, yeah. And what? She black. Motherfucker. And somebody went, yeah, yeah, Hallie.

I was like, yeah. Fucking right. There you go. See? Look around. You got all riled up for no reason. For no reason. No reason.

Okay. That's enough, no back. Do you have an unexpected ally of the week? Yes. The athletic directors for University of Oklahoma and University of Texas. Because they are on a mission to bring the game, the Texas OU game, back to the afternoon. They haven't had an afternoon. I don't know this doesn't mean a lot to some people, but us diehard fans,

it means a lot too. The game has been at 11 in the morning, and now that I'm on the West Coast, that's even earlier. We like the afternoon games. We're able to get our tailgating in, get to the game at a reasonable amount of time. It's perfect.

The sun doesn't hit you the same way as it does in the morning. I just appreciate that they're doing this for the fans. So if you're at Texas, oh, you fang, you know what this means to you, and I appreciate that they're trying to move the game back to 2.30. You played yourself in a very specific way. Mine is James Hart Okay

Late last week One of the survivors of the Michigan State shooting was identified This international student John Howard Gofumby informed the public That he is going to be paralyzed

Below the chest From the injuries Another man shooting in America James Hardin has made a donation To Howe's family In addition to providing Game War sneakers and other gifts for him He heard that James Hardin was a fan

and he stepped up. James doesn't get a lot of depressed. People don't say a lot of nice things about James Harder. They're either complaining about his style of play on the court or they're complaining about other things that James may do off the court, whatever. You don't hear people saying how much they love James Hardin anymore. But this was a time where James Harden jumped on FaceTime and really lent his celebrity and his celebrity

and his humanity is somebody else. And I just want to take a time to say, kudos to James. Way to though. So it's very sad. That is a really great thing that James Hardin is doing, and it is a sad story.

My heart goes out to that young man, and I'm glad James Hardin did a really nice thing. I'd just like to point out that I thought unexpected allies were not black. Was that true? Donnie? Didn't we give it to Candace Owens one time? I didn't.

Donnie, is it your understanding that unexpected allies of the week are supposed to not be black? No, I thought it was just unexpected. I didn't know that. I'd be honest with you. Rachel, you played yourself again. How many times does Rachel play that self in this show? I thought the whole thing was they were unexpected.

James Hardin is not an unexpected ally. I thought they were supposed to be non-black. That was the whole thing. Because the word ally, you, I think ally makes you think now black. So I get what you're saying. Maybe, maybe you guys are right. Maybe you guys are right. And I'm not even going to fight it.

Hey, maybe you guys are correct. I expect that ally. Cool. This was the wrong week for you to point that out. I've acknowledged it. Is the Texas owe you people. Okay. The fuck that got to do.

Nigger don't give a, what about that goddamn game? If you are a Texas OU fan, you do. And I said that. Now this might not apply to most people. Sorry, unexpected ally of the week

doesn't have to be a universal. All the line. You care so much about Oklahoma. Make that whole old line. I'm more on the Texas side. Stop. Stop it. We're out of here.

Go. Give it. Give it. Give it. Take it. Can you have some. But did not stop learning. I have bad Lathie Jr.

I'm Rachel and Lindsay. Hopefully when we come Back to you guys, we are NAACP Image Award winners. Hopefully. And if not, we're taking Monday off.