Higher Learning with Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay - The End of Affirmative Action? Plus, a Kyrie Conversation

Episode Date: November 1, 2022

Van and Rachel discuss the Supreme Court hearing challenges to affirmative action in college admissions (13:45), and react to an intruder attacking Nancy Pelosi’s husband, Paul Pelosi (32:53). Plus, Kyrie Irving addresses claims of antisemitism after posting link to controversial film (44:31). Hosts: Van Lathan Jr. and Rachel Lindsay Producer: Donnie Beacham Jr. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Yo, yo, y'all, y'all, Warriors. What is up? Higher Learning is on. It is I, Van Lytton, Jr. And it's me, Rachel Lynn Lansing. Rachel, where are you? New York City. Wow.

Jenny from the block. You're doing your whole thing? Actually, no, I'm going somewhere and I'm just trying to keep my hair down. You know how it goes. I want to frizz all up. You should wear that, though. That looks that good. You like this look?

I used to rock the scarves all the time on my head. I don't know. It got away from me. Why? You got too much money? Have you not my hair? No. If you notice, my hair changes all the time.

Different wig. Sometimes it's natural. Sometimes I got weave right now. You know, I like to keep it funky, as Trudy used to say. That hotel room looks a little lacking. I'm not going to be honest. What? I look at it.

It looks very basic. That is a little. Oh, no, I changed my mind. I changed my mind. It looks good. When you go to New York, I've been told. I'm like, wait, wait. By the time this comes out, I'm not staying.

I can't say where I'm staying. But what did Tommy say? I should hit Tommy on. They say that when you stay at a hotel in New York that you shouldn't stay in midtown, a lot of these people put me in midtown. I like to stay on the Lower East Side. No. I can put in midtown.

What borough are you in right now? I'm by Central Park. So I'm right, I'm right, right above, right above. Why are you laughing? It sounds like you said you were in bisexual park. What? What? Like, he's like, he's like, I'm by, I'm bisexual, I'm in bisexual park.

I'm by Central Park. Right above, right above, right above Midtown. But I, I don't like Lower East Side. I don't like, Lower East Side because it's too crowded. It's too crowded for me. I need a little space. I need a little breathing room.

These streets aren't crowded. You don't like crowds in New York City, right? What can I say? Even when I lived here, I lived in Jersey. I just, I'm not. You did? Yeah, I need. It's stuff for me too.

I'm a country boy. I tell you what, though. Central Park is, I'm convinced. I've said this before, Central Park most wondrous place in the world. Yeah. It's the most magical World, but Whatever.

It is magical and whimsical. Let me talk my shit. It is magical. I go to Central Park and I go to Central Park and I'm walking through the park. I see people laid out like as the beach. Then I see a press conference about reproductive rights outside of the Susan B. Anthony statue that they're doing that. I'm like, God damn. It's like a.

huge fucking it's like a big contrast between you know sleep you know now continue to walk outside roller disco this is all within 15 20 minutes of walking outside roller disco

outside roller disco Central Park this summer put it on my Instagram then I continue to walk fucking swans and boats niggas like horse drawn carriages and

yeah fucking people sword fighting you know what I'm seeing They also sword fight in bisexual park. But different. Different. Different. But yeah, I like it.

But I don't know. New York just, New York arrests me. It's like sensory overload. There, I feel invigorated when I come here. There's something that I just, just knowing so much happens here and things get done here and deals are made here makes me feel so special.

It just takes me back to the time that I was 17 years old when I came here for the first time. And I remember being in Times Square and I was like one day I'm going to be here. I'm going to. And I didn't even know what I was going to do. Fast forward to having our billboard in Times Square. So there's something about it that I'm connected to, but I don't want to necessarily live here. I like to be connected to the city, but not of the city. We like to be connected to the city, but not of the city.

So do you like LA? We've never really discussed this. I like LA. I like L.A. Nothing's going to. I love Texas. That's home. But I like L.A.

So you say that Dallas is better than Los Angeles. My family's there. My nephews are there. That's not what I asked you. But that's why it's better than me. That's why it's better to me. I'm not, that's not the point. I'm asking you, don't see, I don't need you to emotionalize this.

This was wrong with black people. We're too emotional about this. I'm going to call the judge. Don't talk to this. What city is better. So that's what they, by the way. Dallas. Dallas is a better city than Los Angeles.

To me. Interesting. Okay. Well, hold on. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. I'm with it. Hold up.

Wait a minute. I just want to, I want to, I want to, we have a podcast. These are things we talk about. So I want to know in your opinion, because this will definitely be this. What the fuck is that Donnie? Don't. No, that was your

That was from you. That was not me. It's quiet on my end. What the hell is going on? Chloe, Christian. Who did that? Who is Chloe? We got the interns in,

sitting in. Chloe, Christian, their mics are all. It was not them. Bullshit. It's a Chloe Clark. Show your face. It's a Chloe Clark.

on my shit, pop on. Pop on, Chloe. Pop on. You don't done it now. You don't done it now. Chloe, I need video right now or you're fired. Like, like, I'm here.

Chloe. What's going on, Chloe? Mute your shit. I got you. Okay. Mute your shit. Now it's got to be Chloe time a little bit. Now we got us.

Chloe, since you want to be on the podcast, Chloe. L.A. Dallas or L.A., Chloe. Which one do you like better? I have to say L.A. I've never been to Dallas. I've heard turn her camera off.

Turn a microphone. Yeah. No, no, no. Chloe, she's gone. Chloe's smart. See, see, you fucked it up. We had Chloe on the run. And Chloe was so smart.

You said, turn it off. She's like, I'm out. So, so you say Dallas is better than L.A. and the question, because obviously we're going to break this out and then put this out for public consumption so people can, why is Dallas better than Los Angeles? You know my main reason is emotional. I don't care.

I'm asking you to be, look, by the way, the whole black people too emotional thing, that's what they've been saying about this the last two weeks since niggas's been wilding on their platforms everywhere. But I want to know if you truly think that Dallas is better than Los Angeles, and if so, why this is an interesting topic. Well, I just think that Dallas, it's hard for me to not be biased because I'm born and raised there. So to me, there's more of a familial aspect, not talking about my family.

I just feel more, it's easily, first of all, people are nicer. In Dallas? The food is better. In LA? Mm-hmm. Dallas. The food is better in Dallas than Los Angeles. Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm. That's cap. Mm-mm. Mm-mm. We got better barbecue. We got better text max. Come on. Yeah.

The Mexican, so you got better text mix. Are you saying right now that the Mexican food, I know you guys got the Tex-Mex. First of all, I fuck with Dallas heavy. I know you too. Shout out to all of my people. Let, Johnny put up where he could not stop talking about Dallas when he was there. I love Dallas.

I love Dallas. I love Dallas. Love it. You're telling me right now that Dallas has better Mexican food, Tex-Mex, whatever you want to call it, than Los Angeles. Yes. That's cap. That's not true.

the Tex-Mex food in Dallas? I did. And by the way, I've lived in Dallas and been to Dallas a lot of from Louisiana. You lived in Dallas. DeSoto, I might add, totally different. Now you diss DeSoto? I'm from the South Side-South. Whoa.

No, I'm just saying where I don't think DeSoto is known for its Tex-Mex food. And mind you, you were like eight when you live there. I think Dallas has changed a bit. I think food-wise, it's better. I think community. It's better. Obviously, the night life's better. I think the opportunity for what I want to do in L.A. Obviously, the night level. Wait, wait a second. In L.A. In L.A. In L.A. Okay. L.A. The opportunity is better in L.A. for the things that I want to do. But I feel, Dallas is a city I feel more connected to. And I feel like you can feel more connected to than L.A. L.A. Dallas is segregated. L. L.A. is, but in a different way. Dallas, in the traditional.

way. L.A. in a status kind of way, in a professional kind of way. You're either in or you're out. It's different. Dallas isn't necessarily like that. And it's so up and coming. So I want to do I want to do something. I love Dallas. Shout out to everybody in Dallas. Shout out to everybody from all over the place in Dallas. Love y'all. I want to do something now. I want to have, where's the best Mexican food in Dallas? I'm not the one to ask. See, you're just losing credibility is what's happening. No, not because I'm not big on the foot. But you say it's better.

That's fine, Rachel. It's fine. It's an emotional thing. We're an emotional people. It's fine. You're just losing credibility. This is what I would like to do, though. It's fine, Rachel.

It's fine. You don't even have a favorite restaurant out there. It's better. That's fine. Oh, so this is what, no, don't look something up. Don't, don't, Rachel, if you Google shit, you'll finish this podcast with Chloe. Like like you're like don't Google anything. It's fine.

Oh, no what? You don't even know the place that you told us about that has to, what was the place that you told us about that you would go get the burritos or someplace? It was like a gas station. Yes, I did. No, I did. I said fuel city. I'm the one.

I definitely said fuel city. I knew that. Okay. Fuel city. Okay. Fuel city. You could, you could. Okay.

So fuel city. All right. But look, I want to have a higher learning sponsored. taste off of Mexican food between Dallas and Los Angeles. Because this is interesting. There's always this thing, Texas versus California as it relates to Mexican food. I want to have a higher learning taste off. I want Dallas restaurants to submit to be chosen for this.

I already know the places out here in L.A. is a lot of bomb ass. It's different types of Mexican food in here. It's Mexican food from different parts of Mexico. All right. It's Mexican food that's totally did. You have bit off something that you definitely cannot chew. I want you to find out.

That's only because I can't name places. Now, who's going to represent Dallas? And we're going to do a Dallas versus L.A. Taste off. Right here. How are we going to do this? Either we're gonna find it. I clearly need a proxy.

Well, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. We'll just, you know, we'll do a little research, you know. I don't spend you to know every single Mexican food restaurant. So, so, so it will do, we'll do some research. Okay. But since you say this, Donnie, you have to cut this piece. I'm going to put this on Twitter and in the Twitter sphere universe. Well, maybe not Twitter.

Shit. Yeah. Maybe we'll find somewhere else to promote this bitch. But, but we're going to put it. put this out and I want restaurants. Any restaurant in Dallas that thinks they're great, any restaurant in L.A. that thinks they're great.

And we're going to have Solis Jackals slash Thought Warriors judge this. We're going to have a little dinner. Let's go. Dallas versus fucking Los Angeles. Can't believe you disliked. But but can we agree on the barbecue though?

Dallas is a bit of barbecue. Yeah, that's not a barbecue. Okay. I mean, To me, I think of healthy food when it comes. I'm not going to say Dallas is better healthy food, vegan restaurants than Dallas. Or Dallas is better than me. I mean, anything in that realm, I feel like Dallas is.

But I sometimes think L.A. gets like hated on in terms of how good the food here. There's some of the finest restaurants in the world. And I know that I'm clearly, I know everyone's listening to this. And like, okay, Rachel, you can't even name fast food things. I've never been wowed by the LA food. Well, you're not wild by any food. Nigger, you never had a big macadne. I know my favorite restaurant of blackout.

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Okay, the Supreme Court, which has a six three conservative majority, we'll hear back-to-back or oral arguments. Oral. In the University of North Carolina and Harvard cases, of course you guys remember, These are cases that seek to explore the constitutionality of affirmative action and how it affects, who it affects, and how it is being administered. The arguments against affirmative action are being brought by a group called Students for Fair Admissions, and it's led by conservative activists Ed Blum. The group's lawyers have asked the justice to overturn the 2003 ruling, Grutter v. Bollinger, in which the court said race could be considered as a fact in the administration. mission process because universities had a compelling interest in maintaining a diverse campus. Now, it's long been held that there are different sociological issues that are involved in

mission to these higher universities. When you look at some of these universities, a lot of them have kids who are fed into them by pipelines. We know that's right. Legacy, yeah. We know that, well, not even legacies. I'm talking about even, how about this? There's a school called Chote Rosemary, right?

Which is just one of very many boarding schools that exist on the East Coast. There are kids that go to Harvard, and I'm not, I'm. Right, right. Harvard, Yale, all of these ivies that are literally prepared to go to those schools since the moment they start reading books. They, and it's not even about legacy sometimes. Sometimes it's about even if you never had some books, you could be new or reach. you can have some sort of proximity to somebody else that knows what you're supposed to do.

There are a lot of ways to get into those schools that have to do with your social status in America, right? That has to do with where you come from in America. So, you know, affirmative action is something that says, hey, there are a lot of people who are worthwhile, who are bright. And certain measurements that we have to find those people might not always be socially fair. And so affirmative action says, in my opinion, that there is merit to having a diverse student body that doesn't just have to do with academics, that doesn't just have to do with test scores or anything like that. It has to do with the fact that having different people that you go to school with affects the way you live your life as a politician or a business person. and that in and of itself is a reason to encourage affirmative action. Okay.

First of all, what do you think about that? Do you think you believe in that or do you think that all schools should be for white people? Which one do you believe? Okay, man. Well, when you set the question up like that, I'm a product of an affirmative action policy. My parents are products of affirmative action policy. So this actually makes me, it hits really deep because, I was talking to both my mom and my dad about this,

turning on the TV this morning. They're talking about it on CNN. And I call both my parents separately to talk about it. Had there not been these policies in place, one, my parents would not have met each other. And two, they wouldn't have had the education that they did have to go on and do the things that they've done. We talked about my dad here on here.

My dad has been a first in two different ways. My dad wouldn't have had those opportunities, had affirmative action, not been in place. And what bothers me so much about this, there's a number of things, but if affirmative action isn't just, oh, you're black or you're brown or you're a minority and you get in, it's one of the things among many that's considered to let you into that institution. So you're not solely getting in. I can't stand this fearmongering and these things that are put out there like, oh, well, you're black and you're brown and you got in over my white child who deserved to get in. No, that person who got in, happens to be black or brown. It's one thing that's considered among all the other things. And so affirmative action to me puts merit over privilege, which is exactly what you just explained about these boarding schools that feed into these Ivy League schools. There's a reason

that it was put into place. There's a reason that LBJ signs an executive order to enforce certain things that were under the Civil Rights Act of 1964 to make sure that institutions were not discriminating against minorities so they can have a fair education. So there can be equality and diversity when it comes to who attends these schools. And I'm sick of this whole thing where it's like, if you go to a PWI, I went to a PWI. This is one time where I can talk about this, you know, because you like to shame me for not going to HBCU. If you go to a PWI, these people are acting as if it is black and brown sprinkled with white. You are very much so still a minority with affirmative action policies in place.

When I went to UT, 3% black. And that includes the graduate students. Out of 52,000 students, 3% were black. That's with affirmative action policies. And all the niggas played football. That's with, and I constantly got asked if I was an athlete. Constantly got asked if I was there.

Well, that's also because you could have gone to the Olympics. You said this already. You said that. That you could have gone to the Olympics. You said that. I said that. Bring up the I said I wanted to. All right. You make a lot of great points.

So here is another example of why it's sometimes frustrating to think yourself a citizen of this country. So let's look at what we're talking about here. So affirmative action seeks to and all these other things. We're going to talk about Blum and there and who is bringing forth this, who's making a ruckus here and what this could possibly mean. in terms of change in the landscape, been doing it, right? So think about this, right? So the legacy of black Americans in this country has always been about access. And one of the main things that has been denied black Americans is an education.

It starts off very binary at first. You can't teach a slave to read. We don't want slaves to know how to read, right? And there's many reasons. why you don't want a slave to learn how to read, right? You don't want them to have too much agency in the society that you've set up. You don't want them to read to what if a, what if a slave fucks around and reads the idyllion or the odyssey and they go, Jesus Christ, like we can fight or they read whatever, you know, whatever it is. They start to get ideas. They start to get ideas,

right? They start to get all of these philosophical things in them that are happening. And you know what I mean? It changes their worldview, which is what reading books, you sons of bitches. Literate culture. It's literate culture is what reading books does. It oftentimes takes you out of the way you think your world actually is or is. And it connects you to a different view, a different purview of it, gives you brand new ideas and brand new strength to go out to access to those ideas. But they never wanted us to have that, right?

Never want us to have it. So then we build our own schools. You help build our own schools. The HBCU, something that you just talked about. And we know now that throughout the history of the HBCU, a lot of which are land grant universities, that they've been criminally underfunded, right? They've been criminally underfunded,

illegally underfunded. Right. In terms of the money they should have had. And so we've seen HBCUs struggle with their accreditation. We've seen HBCU struggle to keep the lights on. We've seen HBCUs really have to scrape and really, really, cobbled together enough resources to educate

black and brown students, which is their goal. So you have a situation to where they're trying to choke the education that we created specifically for us. And at the same time, they're saying that addressing the issues of the past is not sufficient enough for you to be granted admission to these Ivy League schools, these these these these schools that don't have a lot of black kids on the campus and by the way

you can't be I want like rachel said you can't be sloppy C plus student and go to Harvard because you're black correct that's not what this is you that's not this is saying that it's a factor in admissions that essentially what they're saying is Harvard wants black kids once brown kids and we're going to carve out some space for them to be at our school because we just don't have faith in ourselves that we're going to do that unless we have to and we think that that's a that that that's noble. So Blum's group says that any consideration of race is unlawful under both federal law that bars discrimination in education and the equal protection clause of the 14th Amendment. They argue that the UNC, because part of this is not just about these Ivy

League schools, it's about other big huge BWIs, that the UNC emissions policy discriminates against white and Asian applicants and that the Harvard policy discriminates against Asians. In both cases, lower courts ruled in favor of the university. So now we're at the Supreme Court. In defending their policies,

the universities and their supporters, including the Biden administration, civil rights groups, businesses, and former military leaders, argue that excluding someone based on race is completely different than seeking diversity on campus, which, you know, to me makes a lot sense. The university says that race is just one factor

and that is considered as part of a broad individualized analysis of each applicant. Rachel, I have a slightly controversial question for you. Oh, okay. And it's an unfair question. Oh. And so I would preface this with the fact that it's not fair. When this happened at Harvard, it happened on behalf of some of the Asian student body at Harvard. And this is not lay in the feet or in the lap of our Asian brothers and sisters.

However, I would like to see members of the Asian community, Asian American community, which has had strained relationship with black Americans recently and sometimes in the past. I would think that if there's a challenge to affirmative action that some members of the Asian community out there would maybe be taking a stronger stance on what. what this could mean. And I looked around before we got jumped on this podcast to see if there was any critical mass, if anybody was coming to the defense, if anybody was saying, hey, we don't feel discriminated against. We don't feel that this is discriminatory. And we think that Indian affirmative action would be a horrible thing for society. So I talked to a friend about this.

And they told me and they say, look, it's a Asian friend of mine. Okay, I was going to ask. Thank you. Yeah. Yeah. They say, look, it's tough. It's like, why? It's like, no one wants the end of affirmative action.

However, in our culture, school is one of the most important things in terms of determining our culture. School is one of the most important things in terms of determining our society. our social mobility. It's drilled into us. We study, we study, we study, we study, we study, we study, we study, we study, we study. That is our, and he's just speaking for, he's just speaking for his community and people that he knows, this is a guy who knows this high school, incredibly bright. And so for us, access to school, that being important, it's like a cornerstone.

a cornerstone of how we have attained any sort of excellence or stature in America. And it's just hard sometimes because with all the work that you put into that, you want access based upon what you've put in. And you don't want anything other than the Gray Point Act. average the fucking school stuff, the extracurriculars, and all of that work, you wanted to mean something. So he's like, I could see a lot of people who understand that kind of being a little torn in terms of this.

What do you, what do you, what do you think about that? I think that's selfish because it only benefits you. And I think that's human nature to think of how things will benefit you or your culture or your community. I understand that. We do a pro-Black podcast. I get it. But I think for you to hold on to that, if that's the mentality that we walk through this entire world with, then who do we lift anybody up but ourselves? And I think if you truly understand how black people have been treated in this society, black and browns, as we're saying, in this society, in particular, then you understand, you understand why affirmative action, which really should just even be called, because it was called quotas and then it was called affirmative action. I mean, it is affirmative action, but it's really diversity. If you understand the purpose of even implementing that and why that's

necessary, then you understand why race should be considered as one of many factors, not the only factor when it comes to admission into these institutions. So we can all have a fair chance. I just don't think there is enough statistically out there, which is why race being one thing that's been considered has been upheld. The last time I think it was challenged was 2003. I think why it's been upheld since it has, I think it was first challenge in 1978, because it's one of many factors. It is not the only factor. And it shows how it creates diversity in an institution. And I use diversity loosely because I just told you the statistic at University of Texas when I was there. So I really think, I'm sorry, I think that's a selfish way to think things.

I think you're only thinking about your own community and not how that affects us. And by the way, I should say that that by and large is in no, I just talked to one guy that I've known for a long time and picked his brain. That it is in no way reflective. Right. of what a broad cross-section of the Asian-American community thinks at all. But it was just interesting to hear that. I was like, hey, man, like, is, am I missing something I don't see? He's like, well, you know, it's school.

And it's like a central thing. Like, like, with us. But what is the first? He did a great job to explain. Didn't want to come on the podcast because, you know, didn't want to, it lives a nice, quiet life doesn't work. Yeah, don't do that. But I think it's like there are black and brown people as well

who school is extremely. extremely important to them. Like, again, I'm a product of an affirmative action policy. Top 10% which has since changed. It's not even the rule anymore in Texas. Top 10%?

Yeah, it is since change. Like, if you're in the top 10% of your school, no matter what school you go to, you automatically have admission into state schools. This is the policy that was back in 2003. Oh, the tops program.

Yeah. Is that what y'all called it? Topps. You call it. That's a policy. That's a form of affirmative action. So it's, you know, it's changed since then. Then went to 7%. I don't even know what, what the issue is now. Actually, I take that back. I said 2003, it might be 2016 because that girl who went to LSU was trying to get into University of Texas. And she was challenging it. Remember that? And she went to LSU and she was upset. Can't blame her.

Can't blame? Whatever. All right. So, it's going to going to be an uphill battle for this. No, no, no, no. So many. It's not an uphill battle. It's going to get overturned. Like, let's just, I need people to, I need people to wrap their minds around them. If Roe v. Wade was overturned after being upheld since 1973,

affirmative action is getting overturned. For six three, Chief Justice Roberts has already been outspoken. The guy who has the swing vote has already been outspoken about. not having affirmative action. It's done. Katanji has removed herself from the Harvard because of her affiliation to Harvard, some board that she sits on. So that's only eight votes on that one. It's done. It's over with. And I need people to understand it, which is why it upsets me so much because I'm already talking about my history to it, my family's history to it. And now I'm going to see my future children and my nephews grow up in a society where affirmative action is not in

place. Also, to add to that, there are already nine states that don't have affirmative action policies, and they've talked about what their campuses look like and how their institutions have suffered in regards to diversity, because there aren't any affirmative action policies. And I'm also, this is all apart to me of the bigger picture that they're just putting, and by there I mean white people, are putting policies and things in place because everybody knows this country is moving to a minority majority and they're doing things to keep their reign and hold on their society on the society in the social caste system. It's bigger than that. And that's how I look at this whole thing. And if people don't think like it's it's it's

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The reaction to something like this is part and parcel, in my opinion. just examples of why I don't think there's any going back now. So conspiracy theories sprouted from this, that this in some way wasn't what it seemed. I've heard all kinds of speculation from the speculation of a false flag attack, the speculation about Paul Pelosi's sexuality on Elon Musk's new Twitter. I've seen all kinds of things, except for people, interrogating whether or not

the current political climate of America leads people to do extremist and violent things. This is not an isolated incident. We've seen other people invoke white replacement theory and mass shootings.

I've seen that. We've seen people use talking points that they've heard from all over the place to commit violent acts. And so whether rather than have, and look, it's happened primarily on one side, but at the same time, someone did open fire on a softball game and shoot Steve Scalise years ago. What I'm talking about right now is not who's perpetrating the political violence. I'm talking about right now is the propensity of Americans to engage into political violence like we saw even at the FBI building. and why we can't have that conversation free of agenda.

There shouldn't be anything that stops anyone from saying that this was wrong. It seems to be clear to me that this was an assassination attempt on Nancy Pelosi. This guy had all types of rhetoric that informs me of that. And the fact that we can't just have a conversation about how fucked up that is, It's just It shows to you It's a diagnosis of America's current political disease And when the disease gets this bad

It's like stage four I don't think that there's any curing it But when you saw this what did you see I mean the Republicans have been Just textbook putrid on this They have and I say the Republicans Because I'm not a Democrat But I say the Republicans because

That's who's been putrid on this, like putrid on this. When you say putrid, I'm not talking about the extreme stuff that's been said, but are you even referring to putrid as the fact that, and this, I guess, dives into the political or having an agenda, but the fact that they're saying that this is just an isolated incident with this guy,

rather than realizing that this guy was driven to do this by certain rhetoric that he has heard from these politics, from their supporters? It's not even that deep. What it's about is, look, I'm talking about from the highest ranking, biggest swinging dicks and vaginas on the right. Just a rebuke of this.

Just a rebuke, right? Like, there's a reason why you don't call out the white supremacists in your base. and a lot of people think that it's because you are a white supremacists. And that could be true. But the more likely thing is because you don't want to offend them. That's definitely it. So, but think about that, though.

Not wanting to offend them and wanting them to be a part of your base and wanting them to have a voice in your base is energizing and giving validation to what it is that they're saying. So it's not enough that people are asking all kinds of weird questions about this, right? And we'll see as we learn more if there's any truth to any of the fucking muses

that people are throwing out. Is that by not rebuking this, you're endorsing it. Absolutely. Because what you're doing is you're saying, I don't want to come out strong against. this because I don't want to offend anybody that might think this was the right thing to do.

Or I don't want to lose a vote. I don't want to lose the vote. I don't want to lose my base. It's terrifying. There's no ethics at all. It's like there are no morals. There are no values. Everything is unethical.

You're right. On its face, you should be able to condemn this. And honestly, should be terrified that we're living in a society. If January 6th, that alone should have shown you something. But now here we have, and like, I don't even want to get into the fact that there should be, and maybe they'll revisit the rules that are in place for family members of these politicians. But now we're living in a society where you have, and I think we talked about this, where we're creating these vigilantes that are not, that are going to attack politicians,

outspoken people, activists. We're seeing them attack immigrants. anything that is against what they're pushing on the far right. And it's sad because we've seen this before and this isn't going to be the last time that we see something like this. This is terrifying. You ask me my original thought. It's absolutely terrifying. You're scared.

So am I. Yeah. My mom texts me a prayer when she saw this. She said, you have a platform and you're extremely outspoken. We're really living in scary times. Oh, so she's afraid something's going to happen to you? Yeah, she's just like you're very outspoken. You just don't know.

You never know, yeah. And you know what? I actually screenshot this. After the, right after Pelosi sent, and I didn't tell my mom this and she's not going to hear this now. Right after Pelosi sent, or not sent, but right after what happened to Pelosi happened, I got an email that said, Rachel Lindsay, shut the fuck up, you black nigger bitch. I got to hear both sides. What were y'all talking about?

Nothing is me. I got to hear both sides. I got to, you know. Obviously, that's terrible. That's the kind of stuff. Yeah. Why my mom gets scared. Of course, there was Tom Emmer, who I watched him on Face the Nation.

He had to answer questions about the fact that he, a post of the video of himself firing a gun the hashtag fire Pelosi that was last week this is that image fire Pelosi he's got a gun you know what you're doing it's a

it's a dog whistle and it's not even a good one because us humans can hear it's just getting scary out there getting scary out there where it's not scary is the world of Watcher.

The Watcher. No, what is that? It's on Netflix. It's a series that's out. It's based on a true story. There is a conversation that's had in that series, and this isn't giving anything away. And they have a conversation about a Sekeum. What's that?

It's like, let me get the exact definition. A Seleum, it's a length of time roughly equal to a potential lifetime. They say around 80 years. And they say if you look at history, every 80 years, something happens. American Revolution, 80 years later, you had the Civil War, 80-ish years later, you had World War II, 80-ish years later is now. It's just interesting. Jesus Christ. I started, I went down a dark, he didn't say all that.

He just said it, and I went down a dark hole, started plugging in numbers. And I was like, wow, every 80 years, it's like a new, a new, not generation. comes, but it's another lifetime. And so it's a turning over and something big happens and we're living in it right now. How come somebody didn't tell me about the second of them? Somebody should let me know what the second of them was coming. I don't like that shit. They should have been preparing us for the second of them in like 95.

What is it? Sequel, Sequel, Sequel. I said Seculum. It could be Sequel. Sequel. Seekul. Donnie. Seekul.

Donnie. How do you say that word, Donnie, now? I'm going to go saculum. How do you? I don't say that. Seculum. Yeah, it's spelled that way. How come nobody told us about the saculum?

There's, you know how much different stuff I'd have been doing if I'd have known that the saculum was on this way? It's crazy. Everything's going to change in 2022. Seculum. But I mean, you have said that, you know, dynasties only last a certain couple hundred years. And we're up on that too. I was saying that to sound smart,

not to fucking have more anxiety, fucking secular. The judge says that too, though, what you say? The judge said what? About the dynasties, too. He's been saying that too. They don't last.

They don't last. They get to a, they get to a point of decadence and where they can shindo and then, bye. Oh, we fancy today? Oh, we got the,

yeah, I got the, I thought we were going to be on camera at the thing. So I went and went to the thing. You put the pinky ring on when we're in person? Put the pinky ring on, you know what I'm saying?

We're next week because we got a special guest coming in person next week. Special guests coming in. Pinky rings out. Yeah, I'm a, I'm a, I'm the special guests that we have coming in next week, I'm going to challenge them to our arm wrestling match. Van, why are you going to do that to yourself? I know, so what? I'm challenging them to our wrestling.

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chemistry you can feel through the screen. Your next obsession is waiting. Watch only on Prime. Carrey Irvin in the world of sports, he goes back and forth after he appeared to promote an anti-Semitic film. Now, if you guys don't know this, Kyrie Irvin, who's never had any controversy, he went on his social media when he posted a link

to a documentary called Negroes Wake Up Black America. So 2018 films To Negroes to Negroes Oh, excuse me Oh sorry I'm sorry I'll say it again Hebrews to Negroes

Wait Hold on Hebrews Hebrews There's no disrespecting to Hebrews To Negros It's a turn down service Hi

Well thank you I'm fine I'll be I'm fine Oh to do it That's how you sound She can't even hear this I can't hear you because I have my AirPods in.

Thank you. So it's Hebrews to Negroes. Hebrews to Negroes. Wake up Black America. It came out in 2018. It's a film that reportedly focuses on anti-Semitic tropes. I've never seen the movie. I was so tempted to watch it last night.

No. I was so. I was tempted to watch it just to see. You know what I mean? mean, and this is the fucking problem. I was tipped to watch it just to see. Because the thing is with me, I always want to be able to make my own mind

up on something. I probably still watch it. I'm not going to lie. But so I was, but like, and now, this is why the word promote is so key in this, okay? So the movie claims that many famous high-ranking

Jews have admitted to worshiping Satan on Lucifer. I don't think I'm going to watch it. I changed my mind. I had not seen that sentence. So I don't think I need anymore. Okay. Carrey was asked about that.

Okay, so that happens. And then Nets boss, Nets owner, Nets governor, should I say, Josiah comes out and he talks about this. He says, you know, we're willing to support this. And we hope that our players understand and NICTropes. There's no place for him. I will block.

Kyrie Irvin comes back on his Twitter. and seemingly tries to clarify what he meant by posting it. He claims to be an omnis. So he respects all religions and all different religious tenets and everybody's point of view on that. And then he was asked about it. Postgame this weekend is what Kyrie had to say. I'm in a unique position to have a level of influence on my community.

And what I post does not mean that I support everything that's being said or everything that's being done or I'm campaigning for anything. all I do is post things for my people and my community and those that is actually going to impact. Anybody else that has criticism and obviously wasn't meant for them. Hopefully I'm understanding what you said and I want to make sure I get it right because I don't want to miss quality. I don't expect understanding from a media conglomerate group that sincerely talks about the game of basketball and then we bring up religion as if it's correlative at times when it's convenient for people to bring it up. So please just be directed with your question.

So we can move on from this. And I could talk about the game and go home to my son Elohim and my wife, Marlene, okay? I might take it that this was what you shared was not something that you've even watched. This was, you did, okay, you did watch it or either watch it or we did. Good and bad about the truth of our world. So then do you, I guess, understand or not understand those that might imply that that work had anti-Semitic leanings? in it. I only ask us because the tweet is still up there.

We're in 2022. It's on Amazon, a public platform. Whether you want to go watch it or not is up to you. There's things being posted every day. I am no different than the next human being, so don't treat me any different. You guys come in here and make up this powerful influence I have over top

of the adultery of you. You cannot post that. Why not? Okay. So, let's have a conversation. with love here. Okay. With love.

Always with love for me when I'm talking to, when I'm talking to black men. Okay. Even in disagreement, even in vehement disagreements, disagreement, even in dangerous, even in war, intellectual war, it's always love. I have, I have a dream. Rachel.

Don't get me started. Okay. Okay. I have a dream. And my dream is to exist in a thriving black community, a world society where different points of view on how we get to where we're going, different points of view on humanity, religion, and society, economics are all at the table for discussion. but in order for us to have that,

we have to have responsibility. And we have to have a sense of not just personal responsibility, but cultural responsibility. Twitter has made it impossible for us to have conversations amongst one another without everybody knowing about them. Okay. Because when you say something publicly, I've had many people say to me,

Van, aside and talk to him off camera about what he said at TMZ. And I said because I say to them and I say now because that wasn't sufficient. What was said on a very, what was said was said on a very loud public form. Exactly. And the, it needed to be met with a counter that was as loud as direct, but with love and patience for someone who is standing.

in wrong. You're standing in a lot of wrong, brother. Let me help you. Let me pull you out of your wrong. I want to pull you out of your wrong or what as I see as you're wrong. At the same time, I don't really want it to get on me that much. So I'm going to put my hand out, but I need you to stick your hand out as far so we can get you out of that pit of wrong. There are a couple of things that I haven't seen the documentary.

So the only thing that, in terms of the documentary, and this is another reason why Vance curiosity gets, excuse me, douchebag alert. This is another reason why my curiosity gets to me sometimes because I want to be able to counter the specific narrative in the documentary, right? I see here that the documentary talks about Jewish people who might have, who might worship the devil and the fact that high-ranking Jewish people worship the devil. I already know the documentary ain't for me. because I don't think that there's much worth in having that conversation. This is why I'll tell Kyrie. This is why I would say the other brothers like Kyrie.

You can't have it both ways. Kyrie Irvin said it in the same soundbite right there that he had influence and that he wanted to put something out there for his people, right? And at the same time that he's not influential enough for us to care about what he's saying. That's it. And the reason why that's a cop out from Kyle

Kyrie Irvin is because it both affirms that he's somebody that people listen to, but then tells everyone that I know that, but don't pay attention to what I'm saying, move on to basketball. Six million followers on Twitter, Kyrie Irvin has, and he has them because he's a great basketball player. He's used this platform to talk about a lot of things that are near and dear to him. It's the power of what he has. what I need these brothers to do is to

it's too much for me to ask for them to be able to filter through some of the lies that they're ingesting that's too much to ask I think it's too much to ask for me to say hey what you watch in that in that documentary is most likely bullshit

in terms of the religious propaganda against Jewish people if we want to have a conversation about black people as Jews in the past If we want to talk about what Jesus really looked like, if we want to talk about how the world sprang forth from Africa, who the original man is, I'm here for it all.

If we're going to use pride in ourselves or pride in the origins of this world as we see them to discount or minimize somebody else's struggle, I can't get with that. I can't get with people who hate Jewish people more than they love themselves. Like I can't get with anything that is used to kill, rape, or destroy another group of people. If we're talking about us and who we are and anything that's been subtracted from who we are through history, anything that's been subtracted from who we are through school, let's have those conversations and get to a point to where we really have an understanding of what it is.

and what black people have meant, what Africans have meant to human civilization. But I need Kyrie, his twin brother Kanye, and the rest of people are out there to understand that we don't live in a world where the ability to express yourself goes one way. Like your words are a boomerang. You throw them out. and then people throw them back to you.

Kyrie Irvin a couple of weeks before this was sitting up there criticizing people over their treatment of Ben Simmons. Say, yo, give Ben Simmons a fucking chance. Give them a chance. You're using your platform to tell people how you would want somebody else to be treated. The people that have a problem

with what he posted on his Twitter are using their various platforms to tell him how they have a problem with what it was that he promoted. And he did promote it. Nobody's trying to silence you. Nobody's trying to cancel you. People just don't want to hear that shit. And if you're going to be, if it means enough for you to post something,

it should mean enough for you to have the conversation to. So I just hope that they understand that. I don't hate Kyrie Irvin. I don't want Kyrie Irvin silenced. What I want Kyrie Irvin to do is to be responsible. What he did during that press conference, it was cowardly. It was throw a brick and hide your hand. Stand on it.

Stand on it. Have the conversation on it. Understand that some people are going to be mad about it, pissed about it. If you're willing to have that conversation, you might. just learned why and I think that could help you and everybody that's involved in the conversation. And I stand on that. I so well said. I really don't have anything to add to that. All I will say is what Kanye, who, what Kyrie did in that press conference looked very familiar. And it was, I say what I want to say and then I want to blame everybody else for it and I don't want to take

responsibility. We've seen it before. We see it a lot with politicians. It looked very, very familiar. And after coming off of what he did with Alex Jones and tweeting that out, I would have thought that he would have been- Tell him about that. We didn't talk about it. Tell me about that. We did. We talked about him tweeting about, he tweeted, was it a message? Was it a video? He tweeted something in regards, I thought we did. He tweeted something in regards to Alex Jones that promoted something. And I use the word, he uses, he, go ahead. He talked about, he posted a clear, he posted a clear, he, he posted the clip of Alex Jones from what he called, what he says in the late 90s talking about secret societies and who runs what and whatever. And he says, while he doesn't support

what everyone said about Sandy Hook, he does believe that Alex Jones was right. Didn't he say that after? Didn't he said he promoted it? Didn't he say that after he got criticized? And so that's the thing with Kyrie. You're putting something out there. You're claiming you're not promoting it, but you're using your platform to put it out there and for people to take from it whatever they want to. You come across as a person who doesn't just flippantly promote certain things or put certain things out there. You stand behind them. So coming off of Alex Jones, and it seemed like you didn't have full knowledge of all the things that Alex Jones stood for or why people so are upset with the things that he said or him being a part of this

lawsuit. I mean, now, you know the story we talked about it. I would think that you would have learned from that. And instead, you did it again. And then you want to blame everybody else for what's happening. Oh, you just want fame from this. Oh, you're ass, I don't expect you to understand this. Oh, just stick to basketball. Oh, I'm not promoting it. You can't do that.

You can't do that. Can't put something out there and then it be free of consequence. So I just want to say I will be at the Brooklyn Nets game tonight. That does not mean that I'm supporting Kyrie. Oh, Jesus Christ. Go watch the fucking game. You know, it's like, I'll say anything when this comes out.

Go watch the fucking game. Yay. Poor Steve Nash. They just can't play regular basketball up there, man. There's always something going on. Steve Nash is like, Steve Nash is just like a fucking deer in headlights. I,

the last thing I was saying this is like, I hope. So, um, so look, a lot of, for me growing up, I'll speak for myself. A lot of what I learned about myself and my people and my heritage was shrouded in conspiracy.

So let me put it to you like this. Let me try to make this relatable to some people. Deep down, we know that they're not telling us everything about who we are. Like you look at the messages that you see on television. You look at the images that you see on television. You look at all of this stuff. And deep down, you know that what they're telling you is not the truth. truth of who you are.

And you have a distrust of information. You have a distrust of information. You have a distrust of the story that you're being told about who you are as a black person as a member of the world's society. What is being left out? We talked about the fact on this podcast that vaccination is something that was developed by West Africans, right? West Africans and Indians, right, in the form of variation.

But that's not what you hear. What you hear about, when you hear about vaccination is Edward Jenner, the father of vaccination, a white man who was very elated when he was a kid and went on to take that process that he was able to understand from the black people who varialated him and then turning it into a vaccine. He becomes something. Meanwhile, we've contributed nothing to civilization. So you hear stories about black people that invented this, black people that came up with this, Black people who were here, black people who were there, who the Moors were. You know what I mean? Where you might be from, what people did.

In school, they don't even really teach you about the Haitian revolution. Okay. Where a bunch of black people down in Haiti led by Tucson Lovachur, Dutti Bookman, killed their slavers and took their island back. And it had been paying for it ever since. You don't hear about these things. So because we, we, you know, We realize that there are all these hidden histories.

Because we realize that these are, there are all these things that we're not being told, it can sometimes make us susceptible to anyone within agenda telling you, have you heard the truth? It can sometimes make us susceptible to anyone who believes whatever they believe telling you, brother, let me hit you to what's really going on. The CIA killed Marvin Gaye. to have a conversation about that as a kid. Like listen to my two uncles talk about that. Marvin Gay was making too many songs about uplifting the community.

So the CIA had him killed. Listen to my dad going, there ain't nobody had him killed. Marvin Gay was dealing with something and he got into it with his daddy. It happens all the time. Like all of these things, we think about all of these things. We talk about all of these things.

You know, there was a conspiracy to have OJ Simpson locked up. We'll believe that. Yeah. And it's not, I'm not saying it in any way to say that like, we're fucked up or we don't have the but we'll believe that we'll believe that because we know that brothers have been put in that situation before there's nothing fucked up about

the world that we won't believe I'm asking all of my brothers now that this stuff is being mainstreamed not that this uh weirdly racist anti-semitic stuff is being mainstream and that's what's happening it's being mainstream it's going to go mainstream I'm asking you guys to ask the appropriate questions about your fellow man. Not to ingest things, not to put them in your soul, not to imbibe them without thinking about the human beings on the other side of that, without thinking about the community on the other side of that, in all walks of life,

without thinking about the actual people. Fuck Twitter. Fuck your interviews. The people. The people that will suffer what some of these ideas are mainstreamed. Have you litigated these things enough that somebody might get shot in the fucking hair for it?

That's it. If you want to talk to me, call me. I have no problem staying on the phone with your niggas. Well, we know. We met Jack. Van Leight and Animal Agents. Listen, guys, I know that some of people, I know, I'll be honest with you guys.

Seriously, Animal Games is coming back. I think we should do a special animal games Animal games with our guests on Monday I swear I thought that's what you were going to say and I'm for it Animal games Okay There was a Montana Hunter who shot a Siberian husky

And then skinned it Amber Rose Barnes We talked about this a little bit She mistook a six-month-old dog for a wolf She's been charged with the misdemeanor animal cruelty This is according to the flat head County Sheriff 36-year-old hunter, they've sealed her fate by bragging about her kill on social media.

So this morning I set out for a solo predator hunt for a fall black bear. However, I got the opportunity to take another predator. Wolf pup. 2022 was a great feeling. On to text my man and say, I just smoked a wolf pup. Hashtag first world. Hashtag one less predator, M.T. Shot the dog and self-offense, she says.

The dog was acting wild and aggressive. I really hope she gets some jail time. Yeah. I don't understand. Look, I hunted growing up in my early life. I love deer meat. You know, I've hunted rabbit. I've done all of that stuff.

So I can't, I'd be a hypocrite for me. So my father loved hunting to the day he was no longer here. It would be hypocrite for me. This is why she, we, the stuff that we hunted, we would eat, we would partaking. Why is she hunting a wolf? Why are people killing bears? Taking the predators out of people, bears kill animals. Taking the predators out of the ecosystem isn't good.

This person is a, when I look at people like this, I'll be thinking they're crazy, man. She seemed like she's crazy, man. Well, yeah. I mean, look at the whole situation. Look how she was bragging about it and everything. It was a pup. It was a pup. Smote.

Smoked a wolf. Pumped. smoked what a fucking nerd Amber Rose Lawrence I should be behind bars I think she should cool her heels

for a little while and she should as she cooler hills for a little while and she should have to go work with pups with docs with little pups

who or you know what how about this I trust her around pups don't give her that how about this let's do this this is what she should she should have to do

she should have to survive two weeks, three week, a month, up there by herself. You're so fucking tough. No gun. No gun. What does she get? He's like naked and afraid. A stick and some beef jerky.

I don't like this, man. I'm against it. You know what? I might try to stop eating meat. I love animals so much. Okay, man. I'm like let's be realistic on the podcast come on now I know the story has you worked up it makes me upset too but let's not lie to thought for yours okay I just think about the fact that she killed even if it was a wolf she killed a wolf pup a baby wolf what the fuck no no no and skinned it and skinned it and then bragged about it it's bad it has to be honest with y'all this is some white people shit

you know it's like some white people shit you know you see you know I never met a nigger hunting a bear the fuck we might kill something that's tasty

put them on the grill but you let me walk and somebody I'm sure they do but it don't mean that it's like it don't taste good when I was in Finland bear was on the menu

yeah it was think about what I think about what I just said All right. Vance very serious question is Mexican food Dallas versus Los Angeles. We're going to put this Dallas versus L.A. Mexican food challenge on. Our guests can help us with that on Monday. Is he from Dallas?

Okay. Yeah. For real? Yeah. I never do. May or may not have sat sung on the carpet. O'Cliff, that's my hood. Oh, I got it.

I got to. We'll send you the clip. I'll send you the clip. Okay, well, here's a deal. This is what we'll do. Since we're having somebody that's famous from Dallas, we've got to have somebody that's famous from Baton Rouge on the podcast. No, no, no, no.

Let's do it. Bousie. Bousie. Bousie. Bousie. Bousie. Bousie. Hey, I've been knowing Bousie.

You know what? This is another person. There's another person I've been knowing. I've been knowing Bucie for years. I think it's time to tell the story. Hey, before you bring. Hold on. Nah, man.

Fuck that shit, man. Bucy coming on the podcast. Shout out to all the thought wars. Not on Monday. Not on Monday. I know y'all going to love Boosy because you want to run your mouth, you want some gazing in your motherfucking house?

We'll set that bitch. You want to run your mouth. You want some gazing from your motherfucking house? We'll set this bitch off. We'll set this bitch off. They call me badass and I'll punish you. I'll punish you. They call me badass and I'll punish you.

You can count the 6-1-2-4-6-G hit. I love that song. But Boosy, I don't want them on the podcast. Set this bitch off. All right. Take the end caps off, but do not stop Lurie. I'm Van Lake.

I'm Rachel Lucey. Bye, guys.