Higher Learning with Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay - The LeBron–Stephen A. Feud, “Governor Hot Wheels,” and the Trump Administration’s Big Oopsie

Episode Date: March 28, 2025

Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay start the episode by discussing the discourse around Van’s idea of a top BBL city, and then they change direction with a chat about the characteristics behind “BDE” (04:27). Then, they get into the simmering Stephen A. Smith and LeBron James feud (08:55) and the accidental adding of The Atlantic’s editor in chief to the Trump administration’s war plans group chat (35:10). They also ask the question, “What happened to Mark Robinson?” (1:03:05) Later, Trick Daddy gives his intriguing dating preferences (1:06:07). Hosts: Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay Guest: Van's dog, Boseman Producers: Donnie Beacham and Ashleigh Smith Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Yo, yo, yo, thought warriors. What is up? Higher Learning is on and is I, Van Lathan, Jr. And it's me, Rachel and Lindsay. We got a special guest in the house today. Oh, first time ever. Come here. Bozeman, the Bernadoodle is here.

Let the people see you. They hear you. They hear you for sure. Come up and sit down, Bozeman. Do it now. Look, do it now. Make your way through, big fella. Yeah, that's right.

Oh, I'm so excited to see you here. Yeah, just hang out. Hang out for a little while and stop panting. Say what's up to the people out there. This is your big moment. Donnie and Ashley, what are you guys' thoughts about Bozeman? He looks soft. He looks soft.

He is soft. He is a good boy. Boseman might be one of the smartest dogs I've ever encountered. He's very smart. He's a Bernadoodle. If you guys that don't know, he's a half poodle, have Bernice Mountain Dog and he's here to hang out with us on the podcast today

because you're leaving him home a lot and he's not getting the interaction that he needs. I mean, not too much, but, you know, I've been here every day this week. I haven't been home to chill with my boy while I work. So now look, he's here. He wants to hang out with Auntie Rachel. There's been like a non-stop blitz of news

in the last couple of days. It's a lot going on. It's a lot going on. And from all different sectors, I feel, politics, sports, culture, entertainment, which makes for an interesting show. Makes for an interesting show. You know, we're not going to be doing the BBL list. I think I speak for everyone when I say, thank God. Look, I'm trying to have some fun, trying to lighten things up. You know, there's a lot going on politically and all of that stuff.

And BBLs is the way to go. Yeah, I mean, I thought it would be fun, but like there was. was a lot of backlash with the BBL list. Was it? People were personally, I mean, can you imagine if I, well, that's what I'm going to start doing. You know what? I'm not going to, I'm not going to pick apart your list. I'm going to start countering your list. Okay. What would you do? Um, maybe BDE's. What's a BDE? Big Dick Energy. Okay, Big Dick Energy. By. Maybe top five cities with BDEs. Give me an example of a city that would have BDE.

New York. New York has BDE? Well, I tell you. you just made some niggas with Tim's smile. I wear them as well. You think Tim's make you have big dick energy? I think there's a certain, like, way you carry yourself when you put your Tims on. This is interesting. New York has, it's the accent.

It's the, like, they don't take shit from anyone, you know, to grow up in, like, a concrete jungle. It's like there. Right. I like it. I like it. I'm asking. New York.

New York. BDE. Give you on the list. Give the people out there. Because I feel like my father used to talk about BDE, but he didn't know he was talking about BDE. Right, right. He would say, you know, when you walk in the room,

you got a walk in the room like you got the biggest dick in the room, even if you don't. He's the O.G. He's the O.G. Now, his penis was also freakishly large. Just, man, just, do you mind. We don't need to know all of this. Freakishly large.

We're talking about an energy, not. the actual. But it was easy for him because he had an uncircumcised anaconda. It was freaklessly big. An argument can be made, though, that people that are well-endowed don't have BDE.

Because they feel, because they feel like, it's almost like a pretty boy, right? You feel like they said it's about basketball players versus football players. You out of here, nigga? They say, Bozum said, I got BD.

Yeah. It's a thing of you feel like you don't have to try because you are so great in another area. They don't have to have the personality that comes with it. So they're not even to be made like, you know. What are the characteristics to you of somebody? Just give the people right now. This is Rach's, Rage Corner.

What are the characteristics to you of BDE? I think it's all about how you carry yourself. It's from the moment you walk in the room, who you are, like how people perceive you. It's about a confidence. It's about, it's not even how good you look. It's an energy and a confidence. That's the best way to describe it.

Off the top of your head, before we move on, because we just came on to this subject, pretty organic. Because I'm going to start counseling your list. That's good. I think that's a nice thing. Off the top of your head, who is the number one BDE celebrity that you can think of? You said New York was the number one town.

who is somebody that you think that's a luminary, somebody that people would know, that has the most BDE of anyone? Ooh, I don't know. So you don't look at somebody and go, no, no, no. I feel like that person has BDE, because I definitely can tell you

who some of the women out there to have BBL. I can tell you the best BBLs. I mean, women can have BDE too. And they can't. I don't like that type of shit. Wow. Okay. They have other stuff.

about, I keep thinking about who I've encountered, who I can speak to directly where I'm like, man, they got it. See, you don't want to do that, though. Why? Because the encounter is going to make people think that you are smelling them. Now, women do it. So what if I was? You could have been smelling. Sometimes, guys know women are smelling it.

It's smelling it. Women go, am I, is this something happening to me? That's what happens to you women. But just, you know, who would it be? Put you on the spot. Rachel on the spot. I really have to think about this. I don't know.

Okay. I'll just default to it. Shout out, my nigger, Willie. It's a default. You in love, nigga. No, please. Like, we always jump to these extremes. It's an easy default.

When it gets to something like that. Like, relax. When it gets to something, I've been telling you this, when it gets to something like that, that like we're having a conversation. It's just an easy deep. BD energy. Who has it?

Willie. Well, no. You're in love. It's okay. No, I'm not. And I stop, stop, relax. I'm having fun.

But I just couldn't think of a name. I was like, I'll just use that. Yeah. Let me think about, I will come up with, I will come up with a list of cities and I will come up with a list of people.

How about that? Donnie, who do you has the most BDE that you can think of? Michael Jordan. You laugh. Why aren't you laughing? It's just funny. Who do you think? Give me your one.

Yeah, call them out. It's hard. It's hard. I don't know. I don't really know how to perceive it. You know what I'm saying? As well as you and Donnie do. But isn't the obvious answer, J.Z?

No. No? Not for me. Like, J. Z seems like he's in complete, it seems like an asteroid could be coming towards the earth. And J. Z would be like, oh. No. No.

He wouldn't have been, it wouldn't be him for me. Not saying he's not like a boss and whatever. It's just, no. See, I don't know what it is. Like, I don't, I don't, I don't have a good, I'm not a, I don't have a good dick red or like Donnie does. Like, I mean, my, I'm kind of going towards Idris. Okay.

Is your cell phone. Okay. Is your cell album? All right. Yeah. It's good. We move on. We move on in the podcast.

We got a lot on the show today. Stephen A. Smith versus LeBron James. Trump administration dealing with the fallout of the signal leak. We got Jasmine Crockin under fire from the right for a joke that she made. And is it an appropriate joke? We'll talk about that. We'll talk about all of this stuff. BAT Awards, Marvin Sapp, Christianity under fire.

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with himself. And he said that Stephen A is on a Taylor Swift tour run right now. He said that he had crossed the line between regular criticism of a player's performance and it was more of a personal attack. And then naturally Stephen A responded. And there's been a bunch of back and forth. What do you guys think of the latest between the two? Who do you think is winning this back and forth, Rachel?

Nobody. I think it's getting to the point to me where I'm getting tired of it. because it's becoming ridiculous. I think that when LeBron confronted Stephen A. Smith, I think it should have ended right there. I like that. I like that he did it. I think originally when I was talking about it on the podcast,

I was kind of like Stephen A. Smith didn't say anything to me that warranted that. But then looking back over it, you know, he did kind of say, like, as a father, you shouldn't be doing this. So I understand how LeBron obviously takes that as a personal attack because he's addressing him now as who he is off the court and not him as a player, which LeBron says is fair game. I just, it's like,

it's like it's giving housewives at this point. It's just, it's so much back and forth. And they're talking around the issue to where it's like, if we're going to do it, let's do it. Don't hint at, and we'll get into it, but don't hint at what you know or things you're keeping from us, what you could say, but you're not saying, no.

And then, like, LeBron going on an ESPN show, show that follows after Stephen A. Smith to talk about Stephen A. Smith is obviously another form of trolling him. It's just getting to a back and forth where I'm not enjoying it anymore. I'm not enjoying it. You are? Yeah. Who's winning? We are.

We're winning. The viewers? Yeah. And our never-ending quest for content. our fight against collective boredom, this is for us. When you think about it, it doesn't really advance these guys. Not at all.

It doesn't do anything for LeBron James. It doesn't do anything for Stephen A. Smith. It kind of does do something for Stephen A. Smith because first take has to have content to talk about. It doesn't do anything for them. You know, they're pretty much minted in there. Stop breathing into the mic. They're pretty much minted.

in their respective careers. But for us, it's another thing to, like, nuke a Wednesday, to, like, get us through a Wednesday. What's going to happen? What's going to happen? What's going to happen? If we talk about the actual issues behind, like, what's going on, there's two things. Number one, Stephen A. Smith wasn't wrong in what he said about brawny.

Let's keep it specifically to Bronny because these guys have a history that goes back years and years. Yeah, but it seems Bronny was the final strong. Or either Bronny was the final strong. straw or brawny was the mechanism by which lebron james wanted to bring this entire thing to a head sure that they've been going back and forth on for years here's a reality about brown there are two schools of thought with brawny one was kind of the van lathen the me school of thought which was that brawny's entrance into the nba was pretty much undeserved for what he had done.

However, he has the tools to eventually figure out and be a good NBA player. Okay? And the second school of thought was that Brony would never be good, that he would never figure it out, that he doesn't have it, he's just not a pro. If you are in the second school of thought, you are already wrong.

Already wrong. If you thought that Brony James was never going to be a good pro. He's already proven. I'm not saying he's not a good pro. But if you thought there was no potential for him to be a good pro. He's too soon to make that assumption. He's already proven that there's potential for him to be a good pro by what he's been doing in the G League lately and what he did when he got extended time in the NBA game against Milwaukee. He scored 17 points in a real contest, whatever. So the brawny thing is kind of, it's figured itself out. You know, but Stephen A. Smith and LeBron James are having a dick measuring contest.

And the question is, so that's, you know, Bronny's separated. The question is, in this particular world, who has the bigger dick? The athlete that drives the media or the media that drives the perception of the athlete. And that's a tension that's been existing for a while now. it used to be pretty much understood that the athlete had the bigger dick in this situation. But with the rise of streamers,

the rise of independent, non-traditional media, with the rise of the player podcast, there started to be a question whether or not the crafted narrative around the athlete can actually supplant the athlete itself.

People are saying that the NBA game is worse off because of the way people are covering it and not because of the game itself. So that's the tension here. Well, I mean, LeBron did when he was on Pat McAfee's show make an interesting point where he said the game is different.

The game has changed over the years since the existence of the NBA. So we should accept the game the way it is now. I understand that argument. But to your point, I definitely think it's the latter. Stephen A. Smith has the opportunity to address people every single day, as do streamers, as do podcasters, as do all media personalities.

They have a platform where they can speak directly in ways that athletes don't. Most athletes don't have a platform where they can speak directly to their viewers every single day. So it's definitely the latter. It's this kind of content

and the way the media is able to cover it totally shapes, I think, the narrative of the players. I think when there's an argument, would the way LeBron is covered, would there be as much LeBron hate if not for the media coverage of it? The scrutiny,

The way people talk, I mean, he kind of talks about this on Pat McAvey show when he was talking about Wendy, Brian Winhorse, the way he was saying Brian talks about him as if he knows him well, the insight that they give. Yeah, like it opens them up for a level of scrutiny that athletes really can't combat because they don't have the same platforms. Interesting. I'll see it differently. I think it's the former. If it can be adjudicated, I think it's the former. because I don't think that it's anyone's Moseman trying to get to that burrito. I'll tell you what.

You take that burrito, when you sit down, we run into steps later. Because we got you down, Bozeman. You were larger in charge at 105 and now you're at 98 pounds. I'm still that burrito. So back to what I was saying is, I still actually believe

that get your drooling ass away from the because of the goddamn burrito? I still believe that a lot of the stuff that you're talking about with LeBron James, that it wasn't necessarily media concoctions of him, that he did that to himself. The decision was a media play that LeBron made himself. Some of LeBron James was to play. Look, he's been criticized for a lot of different things in his career. But if you score like four points in the final quarter of an NBA finals game, people are going to talk, right?

Of course, of course. If you disappear and people are going to talk, whatever people are going to talk. Some of the things that LeBron James has said and done, he's left himself open for a lot of the scrutiny that he gets. So I don't know that the media has necessarily concocted a version of LeBron that doesn't exist. I think LeBron has been very, very cagey

and sometimes insincere with the media. And that's what Stephen A. Smith would say. I mean, everybody does it. Like, LeBron is no... Every single celebrity tries to, in some way, control their PR and the public perception of them. Yeah. Well, why would they not? Right.

So he's not doing anything that other people don't do. No, I know. But he is such a big star. And he wants to be... such a multimedia star that I think it's just, you know, the perception of it is exacerbated a little bit. Yeah, it's, I don't know.

For me, it's just reached a level of like, you know, I think if I had, if I was forced to pick a winner, I do think it's Stephen A. Smith. Really? I do. I do because I just, this is not how I want to see LeBron. I want to see LeBron as a businessman, as a philanthropist, as one of the greatest.

Even on his podcast, like the way they break down and talk about the game, that's the version of LeBron I want to see. I obviously want to see him having fun and doing things like that. But this is Stephen A. This is what he does, which is why to me, he's the one who gains more from LeBron talking about him. It's giving him content. You're going to hate watch Stephen A. Smith regardless. Everybody's going to say, oh, my gosh, LeBron was on Pat McAfee's show. What is Stephen A. Smith going to say tomorrow? You know, they're not necessarily running to see what LeBron.

I feel like it's more of Stephen A. Smith. So to me, there's a certain way I hold LeBron to a certain standard. And to me, he's getting down and dirty by going to the tit for tat with Stephen A. Smith. LeBron James probably intellectually knows that he cannot get to the greatest NBA player of all time. He probably knows now that despite the people that advocate for him being that, that the greatness that Michael Jordan achieved is probably too much for him to catch up to. He probably can't get there.

However, there's a chance that LeBron James, with the multitude of media that exists now, could still become the greatest NBA cultural figure of all time. Now, that's a huge hill to climb over Michael Jordan as well. But as we move on from Michael Jordan, as we have more insight into what people do, right? As LeBron James, you know, what if LeBron James has a late night show after this? whatever LeBron James launches all this and all of that. He might still think that he can catch Michael Jordan culturally and in terms of how big of a share of world media conversation that he has. He might still think that he can do that.

With all that, I get the argument of who's the goat. And that's one of Stephen A. Smith's reasons why he says LeBron doesn't like him. I get the back and forth with who's the goat, whether it's on the court, whether it's culturally off the court. But with all the things that LeBron James has done things that Michael Jordan has not done. So with all the things that he's done, does it matter? Yeah. It matters if you get that close. You never think about that. You never think about what it means. Like does it, because it's like, it's almost, I'm not going to say like you don't appreciate or it's, it,

I get that when you have that mindset, your desire is to be the best. Yeah. But is it enough that you're the best from your generation for the time? And I don't know, it's a personal question, right? Like, I can't answer this for LeBron, but just to know that you've achieved so much greatness

and have done things that he didn't even do. And you are, over a span of two decades, more than two decades at this point, you are the greatest. And it's hard to even, you know, an argument can be like, well, what would it have been like if y'all were playing at the same time together? I just, to me, it's like, does it really, does it matter? All right.

I get that. But think about it like this. Think about living your entire career, doing all of this great stuff, and knowing that there is just one dude who's better than you. Okay, so check this out. Just one guy. We do that? That would be a ridiculously tough thing.

You do all of this stuff and you're almost, it would be better than to be the fifth guy of all time than to be almost the greatest player of all time. I can make an argument that the reason we talk about that now is because we grew up with Michael Jordan. So we were of that error. Of course. And the talking heads, the same thing.

As we move into the next generation, a generation that grew up on LeBron and Michael Jordan becomes more of a figure of the past that might change. It could. That really might change. And so that's the other thing.

It's like, yes, we do this right now because there's overlap, right? We experience both. Another generation, Michael Jordan's going to be like, oh, he was great as a thing of the past, but they knew LeBron. I completely get that? And I think that could change.

I think it's probably... 20 years from now, that's going to change. There's no doubt. doubt about the fact that LeBron James has had the best NBA career with the number of points that he's going to end up being top 10, top five, top two, top one in so many different categories that the longevity and the production are going to be a second to none in a lot of different, a lot of different categories, right? He's going to be way up there, not just points and assists, all kinds of stuff. However, when the buck stops and you're talking about the guy that

you wanted to make sure that you want a game. The guy that you needed on a team to win a game, he is going to be second to Jordan because of just the times that LeBron James was needed by a team, and it didn't happen. I could say right now that the 11 finals against the Mavericks, the fact that LeBron James had a team with Chris Bollinger, and Dwayne Wade, and they lost to not a vastly inferior Mavericks team,

but an inferior Mavericks team, really because LeBron James didn't show up, you can't compare that to fucking Jordan. I'm just sorry, you can't compare that to Jordan. I'm not arguing against you. I just think the narrative will change in 20 years. Last thing I'll say about this before we move on. You know what I love about this, though? What?

this got to be two niggas arguing because it ended up coming down to you can't whip my ass though Who said that first? Like it don't matter I need to know So Stephen A. Smith said that if LeBron James had put his hands on him at the game

that he would have swung on LeBron James And y'all what the fuck is Stephen A. supposed to say? Obviously if LeBron James would have tried to put his hands on Stephen A. Smith would have to swing on LeBron James just to get LeBron off him. Yeah. So obviously he would swing on him. That's funny.

And then LeBron James posted Stephen A. Smith boxing on his Instagram. He did. Wait, I got to see it. Guys, I wish we could show a clip. Like, he posted Stephen A. boxing on his Instagram. And it's fair to say that he's not really worried about Stephen A. Smith putting hands on him. But the fact that it got back down to. Fighting.

Nigel, you can't whip my ass, though. That's how you know. know it's two niggers arguing. Oh, my God. By the way, before we, I asked Chat GPT, I said, what would happen if LeBron James fought Stephen A. Smith in the streets? No rules, two minutes nonstop. This is what Chat GPT said.

LeBron James would win easily. You could stop there. Physically, it's not even close. LeBron is 6-9, 250 pounds of muscle, and one of the most dominant athletes in history. Sorry, I'm watching the video. See? See? See?

I almost lost my wig. See? That's funny. I'm not even going to read the rest of the chat. Oh, my gosh. But the last thing that chat, GPT said was it would be over in seconds. The real question is whether or not LeBron would show mercy or make it a spectacle. See, that's Stephen A. Boxing.

And see, when you know that video is out there with LeBron, it's funny. It's funny. This is funny. But by the way, just to shoot some bell here, if you are not, if you don't know how to throw punches and hit the mitts, the first time you do it, you're going to look crazy, because you're trying to load up, you're trying to look cool.

The only thing I don't know about videos like that, and I've done it in the past, too, and I'm not sure why I did it? I posted a video one time of me deadlifting, and I'm like, why in the fuck did I put that? I mean, the backpack is spilling out. My dead list looked terrible. I'm like, why did I post this?

You never seen that video before? Of Stephen A. Pons? Did Stephen A. Smith reply to this on first take? He did. What did he say? Stephen A. Smith went on first take, and this is what he said. He said, I suggest that he'd be happy with the things I haven't brought up.

I never brought up really and never discussed why you were not at Kobe Bryant's Memorial Service. I never really brought up or discussed why you did not attend Dwayne Wade's Hall of Fame induction when that man was directly responsible for you capturing a championship for the first time in your career. That's messy. Real Housewives of the NBA. I love it. I love that, but I also don't. Like, enough.

I just, I'll tell you, I know this is the toughest thing. Well, not the toughest thing. This is a tough thing about being a guy like Stephen A. Smith. Because for me, a lot of times, like, even when, like, Kanye West is talking shit or, like, insulting me, it's like, people don't know what I know about you. Like, people, they don't know what I know about you.

Like, when you're working in the sphere that Stephen A. Smith is working, and you are getting driven by an Uber driver or a car service person, you get in the car and the guy driving goes, you know, I drove LeBron last week. Some shit was going on in this Uber. You know, I'm not saying that that's... Excuse you. Postman. Come on, man.

Breakout. So people give you that information. I'm not saying any, LeBron's done anything or whatever. I'm not saying that. I'm just saying that's the example. So Stephen A. Smith is running around having back and forth with people

that he has a whole bunch of shit that he feels like he's not going to the mattresses about. So you really have two guys that feel like they owe each other. LeBron feels like Stephen A. Smith owes him because if not for LeBron, Stephen A. Smith wouldn't have anything to talk about. Well, this week.

I mean, I'm just talking about like just basketball in general. Like if you're the biggest star in the NBA and you're driving the NBA, you feel like, you know, how are you going to get at me? How are you going to talk to me? Me doing my job, let you do your job. Okay. And then Stephen A. Smith feels like, well, shit, do you know the stuff that I know about you that I do not talk about, that I do not bring up, that if I wanted to be a little bit more salacious, that I could talk about? So you have two guys, and that's the tension, you have two guys going, you need me. No, I need you. No, I'm bigging you up. I'm doing you a favor. No, I'm doing you a favor. So do you think it'll end with this?

No, because it's deeply personal. What Stephen A. Smith said. This might end with this. It's never going to end on first tape because it just makes sense for first tape. But do you think LeBron will respond to him directly saying about DeWay, him not being at the Hall of Fame and him not being at the memorial? You would think at some point that LeBron would probably want to focus on... The playoffs? Yeah.

The playoffs and the other. endeavors that he has and that he would kind of jump off this train. But who knows? Like, it's in an NBA season that was start to lose fans a little bit, this kind of stuff unfortunately gets people reengaged. And that's kind of stuff that, you know, people don't talk about. But we haven't even talked about, I'm not going to get into it, LeBron's decision to go on the Pat McAfee show because a lot of people were mad about that.

A lot of people thought maybe if you're going to do that, pick a black person to do that with, you know, big up somebody black. Like give that kind of. media, cultural, sharing back to the culture. He's trolling. I get it. I know.

The purpose was to get it. The purpose wasn't about giving it to somebody. The purpose was to troll Stephen A. Smith. So to go on somebody who, yes, are on the same network. But there's also, like, a competition there. Not saying they don't like each other. I'm just there's a competition there.

He did it on purpose. I'm going to give this guy's show ratings better than you. Yeah, whatever. Donnie, where we at? Let's stick to sports for this next topic. I feel like this is a good transition. ESPN sideline reporter Holly Rose. She was covering USC's first round tournament game,

and she spoke about Juju Watkins, and this is what she said about the star player. She said she's a cultural icon here in L.A. I was at a game here last year, and I thought I was at the BET Awards. It was like every star in that community was there. You got to emphasize that. Every star in that community.

Is that how she said it? No, but the key word is that. I'm not mad about it. I'm not mad about it. I think it's funny. But the key word is that. So she felt like she was at the BET Awards because every star in that community,

the BET Awards community, was there. So she's like, there are a lot of black folks there. A lot of black stars there. A lot of black celebrities that would be at the BET Awards. I'm not tripping. Look, I understand why people, because it's like why, right? But I'm not tripping.

Sometimes people, when they're covering, things or they're on a microphone or they have a platform like we do here. I feel like they have the pressure to say something so funny or say something or say something in a different way that they hit lost in their words. Holly Roe seems to be very unproblematic. She's not a problematic person. But I did think that this was funny when I saw it. Like I've been to a game where Ju-Ju was playing, and I saw black and white stars there. Like, despite there are thousands of people there, majority of them are white. I saw an equal amount of white stars and black stars at the game.

It wasn't so much where I was like, my God, I feel like I'm watching a BET Awards. It was the wrong thing to say, but I'm not bad at her for saying it. Having been there, that's not what it looks like. Two things. One, she's talking about the tournament. No. Oh, she said the first round out of there last year. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

It's still white. You're talking about the Galen Center. I'm going to be real with you. I went and checked out Juju, and it wasn't in the tournament. And I was looking around like, Juju got it. Like, what she said, she said it in the wrong way, but Juju games started to look like a little bit of pop you on a Friday night in this bitch. No, it doesn't.

But what I will say is. By the people. The court side seats is what I mean. I went to a big game. It was number one or two at that point. It was UCLA and USC. But what I will say is that I just think this isn't the first time somebody has seen a large congregation of black people and compared it to the BET Awards. Or when I was on The Bachelor, one of the prior contestants, white girl, said when she was watching my season, she thought she was watching Love and Hip,

pop. It's crazy. And I, so you need to stop doing that. Anytime black people get together, stop doing that. Stop doing that. That's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, don't really. I don't really feel that, convicted about somebody saying it was like to be two years. I'm not that. I'm not mad about it, but just like, stop doing it. I got you. I got you. Donnie. Did you know about one in three people with plaques psoriasis may also develop psoriotic arthritis, which

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And then Goldberg published an article titled, The Trump Administration accidentally texted me its war plans. How's the White House going to spend this? They tried to spend it, but they're in a process of still trying to figure out how to overcome this. I'm actually glad that it's been a couple of days since this happened and we were off air because I think it happened the same day a little bit after we were recording. because you get to see the entire evolution of the fallout. All I say is this.

The Trump administration better hope that Americans are stupid as they think they are. Well, so far, it's working. You think so? Do you think that Americans are outraged by this? I don't know that Americans are outraged, but I do know that the deeper this story gets, that people are starting to not buy a lot of the talk, man, I've seen Laura Lumer.

I've seen Tommy Lerin. I've seen, I watched Laura Ingram interview Mike Waltz about this. Yeah, she did. And in the Laura Ingram interview with Mike Waltz, I'm not going to give the Fox News people because Will Kane is still doing his Will Kane thing and all that stuff. But in the Laura Ingram interview with Mike Waltz, it was clear she wasn't buying the bullshit that he was selling.

She's like, this doesn't make any sense. Like what, if you're telling me that this reporter and Jeffrey Goldberg from the Atlantic, if you're telling me that he's such a terrible biased reporter, then why would you even accidentally have added him to a signal list? Mike Waltz gives an answer that is completely nonsensical. Yeah. And Laura Lumer is not buying it. I just do not think that this is going over.

You keep on a Laura Lumer. Laura Ingraham is, I don't think this is going over like they thought that it would. Um, I saw the interview with Laura Ingram. And yes, she questioned him and just say, she was like, I'm not trying to be, you know, negative about it. But I'm just trying to understand like how could. And I think she could have, I can't give her anything because she could have done more. He literally said it was sucked into my phone, which you know is going to be something that they used now. It's going to be a part of their language, like alternative facts.

like it was sucked into my phone. She could have pressed so, like, she could have been like, honestly, my, that doesn't, that doesn't happen. You know, there could have been more pushback. There could have been, I think it's so assonized. She had to have been like, now wait a minute, like how could this happen?

How did it happen? But it wasn't enough to where I'm like, now they're going to start. Because what they should have said is, just take accountability for it, which Mike Waltz kind of did. He said, no, it wasn't, somebody lower than me, it was me, I added him to the group chat. He did take responsibility

on her show for that. But to me, there was so much more that could have been done here. And I do think that the Americans are, like Americans who want to believe in the Trump administration and want to support what they're doing, I do think that they're dumb enough to keep this going. Because the same tactics that they have continued to use, they did with this. It's not our fault. It's somebody else's fault. They're deflecting about how terrible of a person Jeff Goldberg is and his wife. It's, you know, it's, they're so dirty.

They hacked it. You know, they, every excuse in the book to why it's their fault and not the, you know, it's the Democrats' fault or this guy who hates Trump's fault, not the fault or the responsibility of these people. These people created, do you have signal? Yes. What do you use it for? There are several different, like, black think tanky group texts I'm on.

And what do you have your disappearing thing at? I don't even know. So if you haven't reached, you don't use Signal. Most people use it honestly for like affairs. Really? Yes. Like for their side piece. Because you can set the messages to disappear in an hour, in eight hours.

So like even if the person you're texting messaging doesn't see it, it'll disappear. Or I use mine for sports purposes because of the people that. that are in the fantasy football leagues that I'm in, like the messages disappear after a day or two. But it's, that's what people use it for, not for this. I don't know if that's true, Rach. I think that's like a freaky rage thing. I didn't say I do it, but I know even Tiffany Cross said it.

People use it for their side pieces. Well, maybe so, but every time I get a signal invite, like I downloaded signal because the other van asked me, It's a nice guy, by the way. I did because of my sports leagues. And so every signal chat that I'm on is some group of people that is thinking, planning, plotting,

and strategizing and doesn't want people to know what it is that they're talking about. Oh, I've had people who tried to try me and be like, do you have signal? For real? Word of God. Freak-nastic signalers, huh?

You have signal? Because they don't want to be caught in what they say. That's why all these politicians have. And like to me, the moment. much you ask me if I have signal, that's the end of our conversation. Because you already let me know what it is, what you want with me. Look, I'll show you right now. I'm on, I never knew this about Signal.

I'm on two different Signal chats. And these Signal chats are, look, look, I'm on two different signal chats. Like, these are the chats. And it's all about. And how to be added into a signal chat is somebody has to have your phone number saved in your phone. Yeah. You don't get, it doesn't get sucked

into your phone. You have to have their contact and add. Well, it seems like a lot of people are getting sucked from Signal. Or like, or like, or like, you know, I've gotten a random person write me on Signal, but I think they're just typing in a random number. They're not, they don't know who it is.

No, it's a WhatsApp situation to where like, sometimes if you have WhatsApp, you get, hey, Janine, is this you? And then they're trying, they're fishing to try to get your information. But that's not what happened. in here. And so to me, they're going back

to the tactics that they always use, and I think that those same people who support it will follow it. And I think, I wish they could see how, what's the word I'm trying to use? Not dumb, but just how reckless

it is that you create it, not just put this chat together and didn't vet who the people were that were in it, but you titled it who the PC small group? Like, you titled it that. And then when I read the messages, it very much so reads like,

these people feel like they're in a video game. Like they're playing in the positions. They're doing what they think Secretary of Defense would do, what they think the National Security Advisory would do. It's like a game for them and even how reckless that they were where this potentially could have been intercepted and it could have put the lives of the pilots and other people in danger,

it's almost as if they don't care. And it just once again shows how disposable people are to them. They don't care except for they care for their own interests at all. And if anything's going to challenge it, it's that person's fault or there's no accountability for it. I just watch it's like even the fact that they were using emojis to talk about it. It's just so childlike. Maybe that's the word that I'm looking for.

Childlike and how they're handling this. And it's scary. It would be funny if it wasn't so scary. Cavalier. Yes. And Cavalier is the word. And it makes you also wonder how many other groups like this are existing. Surely this isn't the first time you put a signal group together.

Maybe another group doesn't exist that's talking about war plans. But maybe there's another group that exists that's talking about other classified. information. I'm sure this isn't a one-off. And just the fact that they don't know how to have these discussions in a reckless way is what's so scary about it all. A couple of things. One, I'm sure you guys have all heard a lot of the news that's coming out from this. So the fact that there are, you know, numerous different ways that they could talk about this stuff. They could talk about this stuff in what's called a skiff, which is secure rooms where they can get together in person. There are Department of Defense or government-issued cell phones that they could talk about

this stuff on. There's all kinds of ways to do it when you're not doing it on Signal. Signal has a high encryption for a commercial app, but not the type of encryption that you would need to stop like high-level Chinese-Russian, North Korean hackers or whatever to get through to it. Like it's still, it's a commercial app. It's commercial encryption. It's not government level DOD level encryption and stuff like that.

So you guys have all heard that. MSNBC is going to give you that better than we can give you that here. Your point about the cavalier nature that they were talking is well taken from me because I'm watching one part of this where they're talking about a strike on a Houthi leader because this is all, this all has to do with, you know, strikes against the Houthis, to clear out shipping lanes so that, you know, primarily European ships can get through places that the Houthis were attacking them. And they, of course, believe that the Houthis are an Iran proxy.

So this is essentially a proxy war on behalf of all of the things that are happening in the Middle East. Are we striking them on behalf of the Israelis? Are we striking them on behalf of the Europeans? Are we striking them on behalf of whatever? You see in the chats itself, them talking about the United States. them talking about who is going to pay us back for us striking the hooties here. Who is going to owe us because we did that?

And one part of it they talk about the fact that they get a hootie leader. He's walking into his girlfriend's apartment. And they see him, they make him, they identify him, and then they go, that apartment is now leveled. They've leveled the apartment. The building, should I say? And I'm thinking to myself, as I read this, well, what do you mean?

He said, they don't say walking into his girlfriend's apartment. Let me say what they say. They say walking into his girlfriend's building. And they go, that building is now leveled, which insinuates that there was a drone strike or a strike, an F-16 of whatever, a strike on that apartment from the air, that level, a strike on that building from the air that leveled the building. And I'm thinking, well, what kind of building is it? Is it an apartment building where the girlfriend lives and a bunch of? bunch of other people live?

Like, how many people died so that they could get the Houthi guy? Because when I see, he walked into the building and then we struck the building, well, did you use heat imaging to go through and see how many people were in the building? Did the girlfriend die? Is she in on all of this stuff? And I look, I know how these drone strikes work and people have been hit at weddings and all types of stuff. And it's like one ISIS or al-Qaeda operative is worth,

you know, the cousins. and the little kids and all of that stuff, that is disgusting and frightening and really saddening enough, but I'm just saying, listening to them talk about that, I wondered just in that one situation about, well, goddamn, what did this strike? What's the collateral damage here, right? Because I'm reading it as a human being.

I will go back to the Lord Ingram thing, and I'll tell you what I think, the rollout of the media, response to this means to me. They miscalculated not only in the signal texts in the chain, but in their response because they came back and they were so adamant about what wasn't in there that it forced the Atlantic

to then release the text messages that show pretty precise planning surrounding the Houthi attack, surrounding the attack. That meant that Tulsa Gabbard and some of the other people had to testify again before Congress or had to answer questions again before Congress about things that they said before that weren't true. And that also means that Waltz and some of the other people

and Hexeth, who we haven't mentioned in this, but, you know, it was very prominent on these chats, had to then answer questions again about things that they had said that didn't seem true. and look, Lauren Ingram might have not been fucking Walter Cronkite or

Barbara Walters in the interview but there is a point to where if she lets him say something dumb in front of her and she doesn't at least go, well that doesn't make sense. There's a point that she looks dumb

and what I think has been able to transpire with the Republicans, particularly in the Trump era, is their talking points have been so ironclad that a lot of these people haven't had to surrender what you would say is their intelligence for the sake of the argument. They've been able to what about themselves out of stuff.

They've been able to say, they've been able to common sense themselves out of stuff. Like, hey, like even though. in this one. Will Kent goes, do you know that any Americans were actually put in danger over this? And he's talking to, I forget the name of the congressman, but a guy who was, you know, he had served. And he goes, it doesn't matter. Normally that, that talking point sticks. He goes, well, no, if you can't say that somebody's life was actually in danger, then you guys are just politicizing. And he goes, no, it doesn't matter whether or not somebody's life was actually put in danger. We operate on could-haves. Everything about this stuff is could have. What could go wrong? And then that's the way we establish protocols that allow us to not endanger people. And there is a point with a story like this to where

everything is so black and white and not up for interpretation to where you kind of look like an idiot if you're going, okay, a mistake wasn't made. They were reckless. This, it then will, it gives a little bit of space to the other side to be like, these people are, not just compromised, they're actually dumb. Because you have to be dumb to look at a signal chat between all of these people with them acting the way that they're acting and adding the reporter to the signal chat and then to be like, that's just not a big deal. So that's what I was saying, I don't think that necessarily, to your point, and it is a fair point, she didn't go in on them and like get them out the paint. But I do think she was, she kind of had to be in a situation. I've seen some other people to where it's like, all right, my nigga, I'm not stupid.

You know what I'm saying? I'm not an idiot. You know what I mean? Well, the only thing I will say is that I feel like people can recognize like, hey, this was a bad decision. They're holding space for that.

But what they're not doing, they're also holding space for, well, this was just a mistake. You know, like Trump will say, we've had two good months of what we've been doing, and this is just a mistake. And that's what those people will hold on to.

It was just a mistake. Hey, nobody got hurt. No Americans were hurt. It was a success. This is literally their talking points. Nobody got hurt. It was a success. It was just a mistake.

Won't happen again. But it's bigger than that. I get it. It's how they all put it together. It's the fact they were using signal. It's about how reckless they were. It's about how cavalier they were. There's so much more to it.

But they're writing it off of, hey, you know, just a mistake. Donnie, stay with politics. Yeah, let's talk about this joke. Representative Jasmine Crockett recently made a joke at the Human Rights Campaign Dinner, where she called Governor, the governor of Texas, she called him Governor Hot Wheels. Now, Greg Abbott was paralyzed 40 years ago after a feat, a tree fell on him. And this joke prompted the Republican Representative Randy Weber to file a censure resolution targeting Crockett. Big deal, no deal?

What's up with this? I mean, if there was any sort of, you know, what do you mean? If there was any sort of what? Well, I'm saying if there was, if the right wasn't so shameless, they couldn't even bring themselves to like, to indulge into this

with everything that's happened in the last 10 years. Should she have said Hot Wheels? Should she have said Hot Wheels? Wait, did you hear what her response was? No, what was the response? This is what she said. She said, so of course, I think she went on Fox News and talked about it.

She said, or no, she wrote this on Twitter. Oh, no, I did see this, but go ahead. Okay, but for everyone else, she said, I wasn't thinking about the governor's condition. I was thinking about the planes, trains, and automobiles he used to transfer migrants into communities led by black mayors deliberately stoking tension and fear among the most vulnerable. Jasmine.

I like it. Jasmine. I like it. But you don't believe it. It's a lie, but I like it. So I wish she just wouldn't respond it. Okay, you called him Hot Wheels. You got him Hot Wheels.

Here's my own thing. She wronged for calling him Hot Wheels? Yes, but not because it's Governor Greg Abbott. Like, I've literally drawn horns and a pitchfork in his hands. Like, horns on his head. Like, he's a demon. But that kind of comment offends people outside of him, and that's why, to me, it's wrong.

You're offending a group of. a community and that's why it's offensive. You know, if I was disabled and if I was in a wheelchair, I would feel offended by the fact that you're calling him Hot Wheels. It just, it would be triggering to me. So this has nothing to do with Abbott. It's just the bigger picture of it. So she's wrong for saying it.

Nice spin on the Twitter comment. Clearly, that's not true. So I wish she would have left that alone. But yeah, like, of course, once again, we're dealing with people who, It's cool when you do it. It's wrong when I do it. How many times have Republican politicians, Trump himself, mocked a reporter with the disability, used the R word. Elon Musk has done that multiple times.

He's made fun of disabled people. Trump has implied that disabled people make poor decisions, mentally impaired, mentally disabled people make poor decisions when he was criticizing Joe Biden and Kamala Harris. Like, clearly their hands aren't clean, but, like, she was wrong for this comment. Okay. So I recently learned a term. It's called negging. Do you know what that is?

Negging? I feel like I do. So it's like, it's made up by these pickup artists and these guys and, like, you know, they're trying to teach all of these dudes, how to pick up girls, how to get beautiful women. And the nagging thing apparently is when, let's say, for example, when I posted a clip of you like a couple of like the last time we were talking about something

I can remember everybody was like Jesus Christ Rachel Rachel's skin it's so fucking soft and what is she using is Rachel putting the banana on her skin is she dipping her head in Saratoga water you know so like

and so it's out there right now let's say a guy was on a date with Rach and he's like Jesus Christ she's beautiful but he doesn't want to give up, he's feeling unsure about it. So then he would like dish you a little bit. Oh.

He would be like, oh, what do you get them shoes from? Oh, it's interesting. I haven't really seen a lot of people wear those. That's so immature. Okay, but the negging is supposed to bring you down a peg. Why are you doing that?

I don't know. This is what they do. So the negging is supposed to, Bozeman, get your... No, you stay right. Okay. The negging is supposed to bring you down. a peg and then while you're emotionally confused about the negging you are then open to be glimmered by this guy it gives him a little bit of his power back because you are so majestic or whatever

he negs you you're like whatever it brings you down a peg and during your confusion he gets the upper hand okay that is too much work that's what they do I didn't know about negging I didn't know about negging this genzy this is no but so when I was looked it up. Do you remember that guy mystery? He was a pickup artist. That white boy, he had a show on VH1. He invented negging. Or these pickup artists guys invented

nagging. Okay, cool. Never heard of. So, the Republicans neg the Democrats. Okay. They make you question your morality for a second. They make you question what it is that you stand for and what you mean. Meanwhile, they don't stand for

or meet it anyway. Remember, because the nagging people, the nagging guy, He doesn't, he's not a nice guy. He's only doing this to you so that he can bring your defenses down so that he can then fuck you. That's his whole point. So that's what the, that's what the pickup artist do is trying to, he's trying to bring your defenses down and emotionally confuse you so that he can fuck you. The Democrats always get nagged by the Republicans. They always get them questioning how moral they are and how, uh, uh, um, consistent they are.

are and how pure they are. And while the Democrats are fighting that fight with themselves and also fighting that fight with outward American society, a society in general, they didn't get their panties pulled off and they get fucked. Please say that in a different way. They didn't get their boxers pulled off and they get

fucked. They didn't get their thong pulled down and they get fucked. How about they just get fuck? They get fucked. Okay, cool. So we're doing this thing now when we have to talk about how wrong what she said was.

Because if we don't talk about how wrong what she said was, then we're not good people. No, I don't think that's it. It's wrong because it's just, it's on its face. You know, my favorite saying is the thing speaks for itself. Yeah. It's wrong because it's wrong. I'm not doing it because people are going to get on for us

for not calling it out. It's just wrong. But I'm not saying it's wrong because it's directed to Greg Abbott. I could care less about him. It's other people that it is offensive to. And there's a way to be critical of him without offending other people, right? You don't have to step on somebody else

to make your point. And that's to me what she did. It was a reach. She had a moment. Rachel is a good person? I am a bad person. No, I think it was funny towards Greg Abbott. All right.

She shouldn't, I wouldn't apologize to Greg. of it, but I would apologize to the other people. All right, so look, I didn't know that nicknames could get under the skin of the Republicans like this. I didn't know. Well, it depends who's saying it. But now that I know, Rachel, I wanted to run some nicknames by you.

Okay, this is great. For some Republicans, Donnie. A little latitude here, I want to run some nicknames by Rachel. Okay. Because Trump loves nicknames. Trump loves nicknames, and nicknames have been working for them. And apparently the American people don't care. about nicknames, right? Because Trump gives nicknames and they voted Trump in office, so I came up

with some nicknames. And by the way, I did not workshop these nicknames. I did not look around and see if these nicknames have already been used. Some of them probably have. These are just the nicknames that I came up with. Okay, how about this? Pete Kek-Seth. Okay. Nice. Not bad, huh? No, no. Fitting. Fitting. Pete Kegseth.

He likes to drink. He likes to drink. Might have been on and in the signal chat. Might have been off the sauce. What made a lot of sense. It would have made a lot of sense. Okay. J.V. Vance. It's not quite varsity yet. I like that one.

J.V. Vans. You like that? I like that. Mini Mike Johnson. He's 5-7-135. Why do you know his height? I looked it up. Is he really 1-305?

135 is wild. He's 5-7-135. Mini-mic. Whenever you see Mike, mini-mike, he was a little whittle guy. I could have gone with something else with Mike Johnson, too.

You go, you can go ahead, Miss Thang. Mannequin Mitch McConnell That's too long What Manicin Mitch? You don't like Manicin Mitch? Manicum Mitch. Manicum Mitch. You never know when he's just going to stand still.

Manicin Mitch is good. That might be my favorite. Yeah. Manicin Mitch. Toby Tim Scott. Love it. That's a good one. Toby Tim.

No? Toby Tim has a range. to it. That's my favorite. Toby Tim Tim, Scott. hobbling around

on one foot talking to Trump. Now I brought the ladies into it. Marjorie Tantrum Green. She loved that. She throws a lot of tantrum. She would like that, I think. Marjorie Tansom Green.

How about? Lubing Laura Bobbert. Lubing Lauren Bobber. Why lubing? Because she was giving the guy a handjob. What was a beetle juice? It was a hand job. Lubin Lauren.

Lubin Lauren Bobert. Okay. And the last one, I have two more because I had to give one to a guy from the Democrats. So you know Nancy Mace, right? Yeah. Nancy, right in my face, Mace. She's a hot girl.

Word on the hill is that she's a hot girl. Okay? That's what you're here. The last one, I had to give you. give one to a Democrat, and this was the easiest one. Cuck Schumer. I thought you were going to do something with that or me. Nah.

So what do you think? That was a very good list. Very good list. I thought about that last night. We're going to do those nicknames. Let's try to, when those people come up, let's try to keep that energy. You like Toby Tim? Toby Tim.

Speaking of Republicans, I got a question, yo, in our new higher learning segment, and what happened to that, nigger? we're going to do this every now and again when somebody who was such a big deal just fucking falls away Donnie, I have a question for you. What the fuck happened to Mark Robinson? The latest out of Mark Robinson was that he

dropped his CNN lawsuit so he kind of gave in. This is after he sued CNN after his creative and imaginative storytelling on nudeafrica.com. Ended up costing him the gubernatorial race in North Carolina.

So what does he do now? Mark Robinson, my man, bro. Hopefully you go away and never come back. You think so? I hope so. There's no recovering from this, right? You were, as you love to say, a maga darling. Maga darling?

He was a maga darling. He had a quick rise and an even quicker fall. Yeah. You know, but you have to still be perfect. There's too much against him. And like, he's disgusting. he's disgusting. There's nowhere to come back from.

He cannot have a comeback. What would Mark Robinson have to do to have a comeback? I don't know. But I'll tell you this. Mark, if you can hear my voice, don't let these people write you off, bro. You were such a big deal.

Don't let Rachel and Donnie tell you what you can go do. Don't let these people write you off. So what? You like to fuck a pissy butthole. Who doesn't? Like you're on nudeafrica.com. Who hasn't been on there before?

You want to have sex with your wife's sister. Who amongst us hasn't thought about that? You're a regular red-blooded coon. Don't let them stop you. What happened to him? He was such a big deal. Of all the people on the right, what do you mean what happened to him?

Matt Gates. Dudeafrica.com happened to him. Matt Gates was under investigation for sex trafficking teenagers, and Trump wanted him to be the Attorney General of the United States of America. Yeah. This dude was smelling a pissy butthole, and they got him right out of there. They let him know real quick who he is. They let him know real quick, real quick.

Real quick. All right. And you know what? I think had he been on, if that hadn't come out, he probably would be in the Trump administration. In some way, shape, or more. Over Tim, like, he would have had a higher position than Tim, excuse me, Toby Tim.

Toby Tim. For sure. For sure. What is Toby Tim doing to, um? I don't think he, does he? Did Toby Tim get a cabinet position? He don't have a cabinet position, but I feel like he's on a, he does something, no?

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He said he had tried dating women his age, but that's the hardest shit in the world. He said that they're stuck in their fucking ways and wonder why they can't keep a man. Them old holes need to lower their standards. How old is Trick Daddy? You gotta be in this 50s, right? Yeah, let me see. How old Trick Daddy? Tell me how old Trick Daddy Donald is.

51. He's 51 years old. This is, go ahead. No, no, no. You go. What? You laughed. You thought it was funny?

You agree? No, I don't agree, obviously. But, like, for me, obviously the way that he said this. Because they're going to get on to me for hating on a man. The way that he said this was obviously all fucked up. Is there any truth? Because I'm asking because there were, and I will say something.

But some of the comments were like, y'all might not like what he had to say, but there's some truth. Now, I wish this is where this is problematic because I wish we could play the whole clip and like kind of give you a rundown of some of the things he said. But he basically called women hoes. Aw. The way he looked at most recently. I love my boy. He called women hoes. He said they need to lower women,

told women to lower their standards, women above the age of 35, to lower their standards. He goes on to talk about how women who are older want to look like the younger girls. He talks about women wearing wigs over 35 and talks about

the only type of people that wear wigs. He talks about women getting braces in their 40s, that that's problematic. He really goes on this whole laundry list of things. But not shocking. It's not shocking because this is just gender wars here. But a lot of men were like, there's some truth in what he has to say.

And I just don't understand that. I can't find the truth in that. I mean, if I was talking to Trick Daddy right now, which would love for you to come on the show and talk to a woman who's over the age of 35, I would encourage him to look into the mirror figuratively and literally. I'm sorry, it has to be said. You want to talk about women over 35, let's talk. Let's talk about you.

I mean, the fact that he is telling women to lower their standards, again, it's just wrong, first off, to tell a woman what she should and should be doing based on her age. But also, like, how about you take it down a notch? You posted a video on social media that was very revealing with this man, this woman who was asked to rate herself,

and she rates herself a 9.5. Then this man looks at her picture and says, oh, she's a 10. And he looks into the camera and he's like, holler at me. And then the guy says, well, what would you rate yourself? And he says, 6.5. He then goes and shows, hit this 6.5 man's photo to a group, a two women, very cute women.

And they're like, oh, he's really cute. I would holler at him. So she goes to find him to holler at him. And the man, she does not look like the woman he deemed a 10, but she is still a beautiful woman. She was pretty. And he couldn't even look her in the eye, was looking away. She's talking to him, asking for his numbers, showing all this interest, and he's looking all around.

This man, who deemed himself a 6.5, thought he was above that woman, but was deserving of a 10. What is wrong with men? And I'm generalizing here, before y'all get on to me, but there is this idea that women have to lower their standards, but a man doesn't. It's this idea that a man, just because he's a man, is always desirable no matter what, which, again, I say to Trick Daddy what I said. And this mentality is one of the reasons. We will always have gender wars. This idea that we got to change and we got to do better, which let's just be honest, trick daddy also wants somebody who's younger because he wants to be able to control them. him saying these women demand too much or ask for too much who are above 35,

it's because you don't want a woman who knows what she wants. You want a woman you can shape and mold. Just fucking say that. Don't step on women who are older than 35 and put them down just because you want something different. Okay. So two things. One, the video that I posted with the young man, I don't actually know that what he was given to that girl.

I think people misinterpreted that video. What he was giving to the girl who was interested. Right, to the girl who was interested. I think he was... So obviously the woman that posed at first is a fantasy girl example. So he's like, oh, my God, my God, my God. But I think even if that fantasy girl would have walked over to him... You bailing him out.

And I'm listening, I'm telling you, I think if that fantasy girl would have walked over to him, that he would have reacted in the same way. Because I honestly, he's just shy around women. I think that he did not know how to meet that young lady's confidence with, I think that it's kind of a thing with a dog chasing a car. Like you really wouldn't know what to do when you got it. Now, because here's the thing, if I didn't think that, I wouldn't have posted the video. because if he doesn't like the girl, it doesn't matter what we think about it. If he's not, he doesn't have to.

In no world does he have to like who likes him. Women don't have to do that and men don't have to do it either. That wasn't my point in the video. When I said that this is the male loneliness epidemic, I'm saying this is a guy who doesn't know how to react when a woman, a confident woman, a bubbly woman, shows direct interest in him.

And to be honest with you, I've been that guy. Like, I've been the guy before when I was a little bit bigger and all of that stuff. Now, we could disagree on that. But that's what I was talking about. I've been the guy that have been like, oh, shit, like, all right, cool. But I have my dad and I had my homies to be like, okay, well, you just, you want to jack off for the rest of your life. Cool, the girl over there, she's standing you. She wants to talk to you.

You're too afraid of a future rejection that you can't see the wind that's right in front of your face, right? So I've been that shy kind of guy before. That's what I was saying about that. By the way, your point could be the way he was reacting. But if that was the way that he was reacting, I can't make him like somebody just because somebody likes him. I wouldn't expect the woman to do that and I wouldn't expect the man to do that. Sure. I'm not saying that.

It was more of the way I interpreted, as I said. It came off to me as if he wasn't interested in her. He couldn't look at her. He was barely talking to her. He's very short. And it could be. I could be misinterpreting. it's up to interpretation, which is why I thought

it was an interesting video that you posted because people had different, people went different ways and that's always great for conversations. Also, the fantasy girl, the fantasy girl is we are, what's happening is I think men are getting used to worshiping women that they never

actually have to talk to. So the fantasy girl, he can look at her in the parasocial way and be like, baby, oh God, please, I love you, all of that stuff. But he never actually has to talk to her. You can like a picture.

You can send a message on on Instagram. You can even, you never actually have to talk to that woman. So you can essentially have a conversation with the digital version of her. But when a real woman that you actually have to talk to and you actually have to be either charming or you actually have to like own your insecurities or you can't do that because you're not used to that. You might be right. But in this era that we're in of creating this group of men who think they are high value men to take it back to Trick Daddy, that's the energy that he's giving. I am a high value man. I am deserving of what it is that I want, not you as women.

It's like there's no woman above 35 who can be. And it was crazy. It's like the things that you're describing of wearing wigs or, you know, like doing certain enhancements. The 22 to 35-year-olds, women just do that in general. There's no age cutoff of when you can and can't do it. But it's just this idea of I can do it, but you have a cutoff. And it exists within our society because of the patriarch, just period. There are things that men can do, that men are allowed to do that women can't do.

And he has a problematic mindset. And just watching it, it bothered me because I'm like, Like, I know you're, as I saw in the comments, people thought there was some truth to what he said. It's not just him who thinks this way, which is why it's so hard out here. I'll be damned if somebody like Trick Daddy says that to me. But let me tell you something about the Trick Daddy situation here. Please come on this podcast. So this is the Trick Daddy situation that I got to be honest.

So Trick Daddy, so anything that you do for a long time is durable, right? Like it becomes more durable than long time you do it. So the longer time that a woman has had to, like, offend for herself and know herself without looking at herself through the lens of a man, the sure she's going to be about herself, right? That's just the way that that works, right? And there are plenty of women that are also in relationships, long-term relationships that are also sure about themselves.

But I'm just saying the longer time that you've only had you, going forward, you and how you have you is going to be the most important thing. So I understand that. I get that. But inside of this, you also have to consider. consider who trick daddy is. And when I say who trick daddy is, I mean, trick daddy is ugly, right?

He's, he's, trick daddy is classically not handsome. And even before, before whatever has happened, he has lupus. He has lupus. Excuse me, lupus. So I want to be, I want to be sensitive of that. So even before, you would never say that trick daddy was the most handsome guy, right? Right.

That he wasn't. But he had other things. that made him handsome. Right. And so the deal was, in Trit Daddy's world, he has never, ever, ever,

ever got women because of his aesthetic. He has gotten women because of either personality, how funny he is, how cool he is to be around, money, wealth,

all of those things that actually attract women. So, like, I think a lot of times people get it confused. when people say, oh, this woman is with this man just for money. Sometimes that's true. Sometimes a woman is with a man just for money.

But sometimes a woman is actually attracted to a man's stature. Of course. Women love power. Right, actually attracted. Like, it's not that she's with him because he has money. It's that he's attractive to her because he has money. And those are two different things. Like, if you have to force yourself to be with someone,

and to give yourself to someone because they are putting you in a financial situation, that's one thing. But if you look at somebody and they shine in and they're all of that and your pussy actually gets wet, that's a completely different thing, right? That's the only way I'm sorry that I said it's so crass, but that's, you know, the way that I, that, you know, you say it.

So for Trick Daddy, the women that he is dealing with or the women that would be attracted to Trick Daddy, it doesn't matter if he's ugly or not. It doesn't matter. Those women are coming to Trick Daddy for really, reasons other than his aesthetic. So what's the point? That those women probably, probably have a type to them.

For sure. And so because of that, he is used to dictating to them because they are used to being dictated to. Clearly, clearly. But my point is you don't have to trash women just because you are used to a certain type of relationship, a certain type of woman or that is what you desire. That, I mean, you get to shit on every woman who doesn't fit the type of woman that you want. But women do that. Do you want to keep that, that you said that in the podcast?

Women don't talk about certain types of men that they don't want. But I know. It's not the, we're talking about trick daddy. With everything, I could be like, well, they do that. Well, this is what I'm saying. I don't actually have, the only problem that, what? Listen. Listen, I don't actually have a problem with trick daddy saying that he only,

I think 22 is too young for a 51 year old man. That's what I would say. First of all, that's just my, I think 22 is too young for 51 year old man. That's my thing. But Trit Daddy's saying that like for the way that I live my life, this is the way. I know women that say all the time, I only fuck with guys 35, 40 and up. That's fine. called women hoes over 35.

He said holes as a as a as a as a colloquialism which I'm against. So what I'm saying is I have no the way that he said all it is

just reeks of a of a misogyny. The actual thing is like you know with the type of lifestyle I live like a lot of women over 35 that's not going to let me live the way that I live. I've heard women say

that he should say it like that. Okay he's not Van Leighton and I'm not tricked daddy down. and y'all want a motherfucking die come see I, who, me, G, double D, nigga, that's right, that's motherfucking me, okay, whatever.

It was wrong in the way that he said it and the way that he talks about women, but I just think that in listening to it, what he's essentially saying is that I want a woman who's going to, who I can control. That's what he said.

Or, okay. That's what he said. He said. And if that should, again, He's not for me. And that's fine. But I don't need a shit on him. I mean, I guess I did a little bit because that's okay.

It's okay. He left himself open for the shit knowing. I just think if we're supposed to talk about it on here. So if we talk about it, I think there's ways to kind of pull it apart. Treat Daddy, you invite on the podcast. Donnie, we got time for Marvin Sapp real quick or no? Let's talk about it real quick as we go out. I'll set it up.

Marvin Sapp, songwriter and pastor, is trending after this video of him went viral where he tells the ushers of the church to close the doors and that he has a goal of $40,000 to hit. And there's a thousand churchgoers there and there's a thousand online. And if $20 from each of them gets to him,

that he'll hit $40,000. And then he also said that the choir and clergy behind him, they could actually up that and spend $100 because it costs to sit up on that stage. Now, this also follows Trump White House faith advisor Paula White, who there's a video of her going viral where she's asking people, her followers to send her $1,000 before Easter in order to receive seven supernatural blessings.

These blessings include God assigning an angel to you, so you get your personal angel, God giving you prosperity. God will be an enemy to your enemies and he will cure illnesses. That's just some of the stuff that Paul is selling you. I say this every time we talk about it. I understand why people don't want to be Christians.

I mean, how do you defend this? How do you defend somebody holding you hostage and telling you that $20 is enough for you to give? You don't know people's financials. situations. How do you do that? How do you tell people you're going to be promised seven supernatural blessings? And an angel? Did I get that right? You get an angel? Yep, you get your own angel. And the crazy thing is, and this isn't new, right? You had the people back in the day, old boy from, from Louisiana, swaggered. Hey, don't talk about Jimmy like that. What's the woman

who wore all the makeup? Jimmy, Jimmy had a problem with his dick, but Jimmy was cool. I can't think of anybody's name right now, the woman, the husband and woman who wore all the makeup. Jim Baker and Tammy Fay Baker. Thank you. They all did these cons of do this and this is what you'll get. But man. Leave FCA out of that. Man, this is, it's tough.

It's tough. I'm gonna be real, man. Like, locking the door is some cartel shit. Wait a minute. Locking the door. So, you know, looking at people, locking the door is some cartel shit. that's some, you don't feel wrong to say that.

The thing that I always get about these preachers is the audacity. That power, they get intoxicated off that power. The audacity to be like, yo, I know you got it, man. You ever see Peyton Fool when Mitch is walking out the store and his uncle is looking at him like, I know you got it. I see you shining. And Mitch goes, I ain't got nothing. I'm broke.

baby, and he ends up fucking overmitch and all of that. I'm like, you don't feel that Marvin Sapp, and I like Marvin's sap, too. What you do? Can you imagine when he's like telling the ushers, lock the doors, don't let him out, and he drops the song? Yeah. Never. Never.

Never. My thing is, so I guess my question to Marvin is, Marvin, what's you going to do if they leave? So Marvin locked the doors. Marvin liked to do is if I get up if I got a basketball game or something if I get up and I leave are the usher's gone Well that's what he said

Y'all ain't going to nowhere but to get something to eat Right Y'all ain't going to know that with the restaurant Marvin what the fuck If I leave are the usher's going to take my knees out Like what the fuck is going on What we're running But the thing is they sat there

It seems like they sat there They sat there because they're in a cult Like you got to be in a cult To let somebody do you like that You have to be, it's a cult That's a cold He said we're not leaving till we hit. Does anybody know if they hit 40K? I need a follow up. I need one of the church.

If you go to Marvin Saps Church, please write me or Van or message Donnie. I would like to talk to, I would like for them to come on because I need to know what happened. Also, if you did pay $1,000 and you did receive those seven blessings, I would love to know what they were. Yeah. I would love to know the name of the angel that you were assigned. Yeah. What the actual fuck is happening. It's crazy. It's crazy. Marvin, you let me down. You let me down, Marvin. That never would have made it has really gotten me through some really,

I'm but getting emotional right now. The song has a new meaning. Yeah, now, never would have made it out of the fucking church. Yep. Without the usher kicking me and my killing's tender. Never. We're out of here.

Take your thing caps off, but do not stop learning. Christianity listens down again. Is that a new segment? Christianity lets us down again. I'm failing to junior. All these Charleston out here.

That's the name of this segment. I'm Rachel and Lindsay. Bye guys.