Higher Learning with Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay - The Political Firestorm and Recovery in L.A.

Episode Date: January 14, 2025

Van and Rachel discuss the looming insurance crisis for Los Angeles homeowners (14:42), the price gouging of rental properties (21:14), and the use of prisoners to help fight the fires (29:41). Plus, Mayor Karen Bass faces criticism for her handling of the crisis (46:21). Then, Stephen A. Smith reflects on the election (1:13:57), Jimmy Butler is in a child support battle (1:27:20), and a former WNBA star makes a career shift to OnlyFans (1:37:16). Hosts: Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay Producers: Donnie Beacham Jr. and Ashleigh Smith Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Yo, yo, thought warriors. What is up? Higher Learning is on. It is I. Van Lathen, Jr. And it's me, Rachel and Lindsay. So back to what we were talking about. Men and friendships, we don't call each other out. And do you think that's a positive or a negative?

It's hard to say. Okay. Probably bad. It's probably a negative for us as individual men. But it's probably a positive for the friendship. and the bonds? So you could, you could make an argument that it's a tad superficial because you're not being fully honest with your friend.

Now, this is what I will say. Women do call each other out more or maybe bring issues to the forefront because you could say it's within our nature. But as I've gotten older, I've learned to pick and choose my battles. And I've also learned to accept friends as they are. but if you push me to a certain boundary, then I'm not going to pour as much into a friendship. If I can't fully,

because I don't give or I don't do something that I wouldn't allow you to do to me. So if I can't fully be myself in a friendship, then I'm going to pull back. Because I allow my friends to check me. I don't get mad. I might push back. There might be a little bit of an argument,

but at the end of the day, we might agree to disagree. I'm not going to fully laugh. out on a friend because they're, you know, giving me in their opinion for what they see will make me better or the friendship better or whatever the issue is better. Yeah. I think what I've done is we warn. And what does that entail? So if your homie tells you he's doing something he shouldn't be doing, all right, now, nigger, all right.

Just, you know, all right. Let's give an example here. Okay. If your friend came to you, your friend's in a relationship. And your friend came to you and was like, say, I met this girl, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Like, I'm really, you know, like, we've been kind of chatting here and there. And I'm, you know, I'm thinking about, not I'm thinking about it. They're just going to tell you, I, you know, I stepped out on my girl.

All right, nigger. I remember what happened the last. time you got caught up. Think about it. So that's a little bit more than a warning. That's all I'm going to say. It's a warning. I'm going to say we getting older. Think about it. That's all I would, that, that's all I would say. But that, but see, that is different than sometimes I feel like it gets addressed in women friendships. Women friendships. Because what would happen in the women friendship is she is stepping out. And then you have to completely tell her about herself. You are a better woman than this. I don't like then. you guys make such, it seems like this is a gross generalization.

Sometimes it seems like you are so anxious to tell somebody about themselves. And you're so anxious to call somebody out that there's wedge driving that happens. I, okay, so we're allowing generalizations for the sake of this conversation. So please don't judge, man, for me. We're generalizing right now. Gross generalizations. And we're doing this because we were having a conversation prior to it. And we thought, oh, let's, let's invite the thought warriors in on this.

I don't say, I don't want to say anxious or eager, but like there's this something innately within us where we're just like, we feel so protective of our friendships or our girls where we're like, please, you know, like we maybe give a little too much and maybe an opinion that goes past the warning that you were giving. Yes. Because I, because if somebody came to me and was like, I'm about to step out on my man. I would go into the whole, you know, women are judged a little bit more different when we do that. Like, we aren't given the same grace. No, because here comes a generalization.

In society, it's almost excused a little bit when a man does it because it's a part of their nature because that's what men do. Women don't do that. Women, that's not, women don't step out. Like it seems as much, instead of it being compared, like on the same level, it's much worse when a woman does it. because it's not within us. That seems to be the thing. So I would warn or advise against that. Be careful.

Usually a woman, here comes another generalization, is more inclined to take a man back when they step out as opposed to a man doing it when a woman does it. False. Interesting. This is Cap. Y'all don't know these people's relationships. That's true.

And I know personally, this is cap, let me tell you the difference. Men take women back after cheating all the time. The only difference is when a man is cheated on, he doesn't run and tell everybody that he's been cheated on. For sure. He deals with it with the woman, and they take women back that have cheated all the time.

When the lady gets cheated on, she tells all the friends. That's not true. She tells everybody on the whole thing. See that generalization. And so what happens is, is it seems like only one group takes the other back when cheating. It's just because a man, when he gets cheated on, he takes it and he puts it deep down inside. He never forgets it. He holds it over the woman's hair for the rest of the week.

So here I would push back on it. Women don't always tell their friends because, to go back to our original conversation, they don't want the judgment. They don't want the opinion. A lot of times women keep it within or maybe tell one person because, they're so afraid of what their inner circle will say. They don't want the, oh, well, you got to leave him, you got to do this. And women have a protective nature where they know if they do that, their friends, their family may shit on that man,

and they don't want that smoke either. So this is what this comes down to. It's all subjective. You know what this reminds me of right now? This reminds me of right now what's actually going on. We have very serious things to talk about. you guys, but we're going to pull on this thread. This reminds me of what's going on right now

with Cameron and Jim Jones and Mace. Okay, so I've seen, I've been so in a deep, dark hole with what's going on here in the city we live in. I've seen some of the headlines, but I haven't had the energy to click on it. So I'm not sure. The only thing I saw is that Jim Jones is the one who encouraged Cameron to wear pink.

That's the only thing I saw. What's actually happening is stuff that happens in longtime brotherly friendship crews all the time where people grow together, grow apart, where their factions inside the crew. Inside the player proof crew, there are people that I am closer to. Sure. There are people that don't really fuck with each other. Like, in the player proof crew? In the past, they haven't fucked with. Okay, okay, okay. Okay. But all of those things don't get played out for everybody else to see. And so we're not doing interviews on each other.

So there could be members in our crew that fall out for three or four or five years or two or three years. And it just, the time just evaporates. And then we come back together. Something happens. A child is born. There's a tragedy. I mean, there are things that bring people back together, right? in any relationship, even a romantic one,

you fall in and out of love with people. The only problem is that, the only difference is that, should I say, is that people aren't keeping tabs on how close people are. When I see what's going on with Jim and Cam right now, and I don't know, I know both of them in that parisocial way, right?

But I don't know enough to speak on their relationship. I think I've been watching it the same way. I can remember when it was Jim and Cam versus Mace. You know, when you hear all of this stuff, is really of friendships and longstanding relationships that go through ups and downs. But the only difference is everybody is peeking in and everybody wants answers.

Everybody wants to know why would a mace and a cam not be cool for this amount of time? Everybody wants to know why would a Jimmy and a cam or a jimmy and a mace not what could have happened to make these brothers? And there are all of these external things like rap and who started the dib said and who did this and who and all of this stuff. But when I hit them tell their stories, like you ran from this person or we got in the fight and this happened.

This is stuff that happens inside all of these crews. It's just like, we don't know. So when I look at it, I'm thinking, that shit, one day it'll probably all be good. Because I know within my crew the fact that I know who was trying to fuck with someone's girl. Oh, my God. I know that who was trying to do this and who, and I know that we got over all of it, but we might not have gotten over all of it

if everybody had a fan base telling us what we shouldn't accept from everybody else. Sure. I mean, that definitely adds to it because there's a lot of pressure on feeling like you've got to do something to maintain your public image or, you know, for people to, yeah, just to maintain your public image. But I don't really know what's going on with all of them.

I haven't really been following it. I just know I'm fans of everybody, and I hope everybody work it out. I don't know if one thing, I would not be in a situation where I would want to have Cam telling any stories about me. That nigga is a storyteller. No, no, no, no, no. He's just addressing what Jim said. It's just Cam and Mays. No, excuse me, it's just Cam and Jimmy going back and forth.

Jim, no, Cam did an interview with 50 Cent where they talked about some stuff. Jim didn't like it, so he talked about some stuff. And then Cam talked about some stuff. But Cam is just such a charismatic talker. And then Jim's such a stand-up guy in the streets is just them going back and forth. His brother's fighting, but everybody got a seat to it.

And I hate that. Don't let us end to all of that. We shouldn't be privy to it. Well, I mean, once it's publicly, when somebody talks to you public, a lot of people feel like you got to respond publicly. I don't do that. I don't like to,

I don't like the public back and forth with people. It's not like, it's not my thing. I'm too emotional for. I'm too sensitive. So, like, I actually, I admire people well not admire that's the wrong word

I it's an interesting entertainment thing to be able to throw public disses back and forth for people and then one day be in an interview room

with them just talking civilly like I'm way too sensitive I'm gonna be like what the fuck what's that shit you said what's what what huh huh I just

it just gets down to the bottom. I just can't feel like I'm a nigga being played. That doesn't happen to you yet where you had to go back and forth to somebody? I go back and forth with people in person, but I don't go back and, if you're in front of my face. Yeah, that's different. I'm talking about publicly.

Not really. Not really, because I want to talk to you. Like, if it's a big enough deal to where you get out there and say something in public, I feel that. I want to get on the phone with you or get in the same space with you and do it.

I don't like the, third period thing. I like the after school thing. I'm with that. I like to handle things as they are. I want to talk about it right now. Let's do it. Let's get it over with. And we'll figure out where we move from there. We're either good or we're not. But once again, that's all different. All of that is different when it's somebody that you know. Like, when it's somebody that you've had a bunch of conversations with and stuff like that. When you're somebody that you know. You know, you just, when I saw that, that's like, I looked at all those stories that was being told and the stuff and the history that was going But throughout my audience is crew beef.

This is people that got love for each other going back and forth. And remember when this happened? Remember this happened? This happens in Cruz. It happens in Cruz. So they're talking about old stuff? Mostly. Mostly, mostly.

But I'm still, to me, it's still that day where Mace, Cam and Jim going to be on the same page is going to be a real fun day for hip-hop. So Mace is involved? Just because he's the co-host? I just, from what I remember, I remember back in the day when it was a situation where, Mace was on Angie Martinez or something, or maybe it was Miss Jones. Shout out to Angie Martinez, by the way. Shout out to Angie Martinez and Sway, just because.

Seriously, shout out to Angie Martinez and Sway, just because. Angie Martinez Sway, Ninth Wonder, just because. If I'm going to send somebody to represent hip hop, I'm going to send those three people to tell the aliens how dope hip hop is. Shout out to them just because. But no, it was, and at this point, Mace was coming back to rapping, and the dip set was popping. So it was Cam and Jim that called the radio station, and Cam was big press, Jim was big press in Mace. And, and Mace was talking back to him, whatever, whatever.

But you could tell even at that point that when Cam got on the phone, that it was still love between Cam and Mace. And I could tell when Cam was talking to Jim that it's still loved there. He said it's still loved there. But he just can't, you know, you got to set the record straight. Still, I love it is what it is. It's always fun on the Monday morning. All right. I don't know what little piece of podcast and that was that we just did.

It kind of went. We just brought our conversation into with everybody. This is the kind of stuff we talk about. Yeah. But we have more serious things to talk about right now. The LA fires are still happening. and it is, we're getting not a lot of let up from the environmental standpoint of it. We still have fires raging.

But the fire inside of Los Angeles politically is just starting to blaze. Donnie is out. So on the other side of this break. Ashley is going to read off the topics for us. Can't wait. Take a break. Come back. Did you know about one and three people with plaques psoriasis may also develop psoriotic arthritis,

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California's insurance crisis. So the California State Department of Insurance issued a new regulation last month meant to turn the tide on some of the largest insurance companies' refusals to take on new customers. So under this rule, insurance companies are permitted to pass on the cost of reinsurance to consumers. In return, insurers doing business in the state must again provide coverage in fire-prone areas at a mandated amount. So in all, J.P. Morgan insurance analysis estimates insured losses from that fire, including the Palisades fire alone, is approaching $10 billion. And this isn't including the four other significant fires. So homeowners may be paying around $1,000 to maybe $40,000 a year to insure their properties after this. Wow. We're going to talk about a couple of things here. Yeah.

But there is going to be obviously a fiscal component to the ramifications here in the fire in terms of what people are going to pay to put their lives back together. And in terms of how people are going to take advantage of people that are trying to put their lives back together. Yeah. I mean, there's so many issues. This is so like, I mean, I even called band yesterday and I'm just like I keep going into a dark hole with everything. there's so many different issues underneath the California wildfires, which we're just going to try to break down and talk about a bit. Ashley just introduced the insurance part of it.

And I, okay, so I'm not a person who, like, loves to open mail. Are you a mail opener? No. I avoid it. We're too old for that. We should be opening our mail, but I avoid it. I own a home. I was not aware of the cancellation of,

insurance policies by State Farm in high-risk areas. And I didn't know until this event whether or not I was, I didn't know if I had to have a like a separate policy for wildfires or not. Fortunately, I knew I had homeowners insurance, but I just didn't know if it was removed. I had no idea. And so I think it's important to talk about this topic because whether you didn't know or you were informed, even if you were, there just seems to be so much.

of the insurance companies here who are more concerned about maximizing their profits than they are about really ensuring people and making sure they're protected when there's some sort of tragedy. And here we're dealing with the wildfires. I don't know if you saw, but the insurance commissioner has extended. I want to get this right. Sorry, I keep looking at my phone because I'm like, I'm like, nervous about as we're in a red flag warning right now,

just nervous about like what being. So people know the conditions over the next couple of days in Los Angeles are not going to be ideal for the slowing of wildfires. You have a red flag warning and particularly on Tuesday and Wednesday you can have conditions that lead to more wildfires. Right. We're under a particular dangerous situation, which is the same warning that was given out on Tuesday

or maybe Monday before when the wallfire. fires started. And usually when those are given out, there is a tragedy that happens, like what we saw with the palisades and with the eaten fire as well. But the insurance commissioner, Laura, did issue a notice to all insurance companies that they can't cancel up until 2026, which I don't know how much that helps people who were already canceled. We know we have The fair plan. I was trying to pull up the, there is something to let you guys know.

If you know somebody who, okay, I have the information here. If you know somebody who is struggling, who was underinsured or didn't have insurance, there's obviously the fair plan, which is state issued. They're working on trying to provide options to make it more attractive for insurance companies

to insure people instead of dropping them as they have. But there is a phone number that you can call 800, 1-800-927-4357s where you can chat about what your options are. Also, insurance.ca.gov. If you believe that there's some violation, if you believe that you were dropped under bad faith issues, which is illegal, if you have some claim-related issues

where you can get all the information that you need, They're also providing two-day insurance support workshops on January 18th and the 19th. And then January 25th and the 26th, one's in Santa Monica, the other's in Pasadena, just so you can be informed and know what's going on. Because I know I wasn't fully prepared. I don't know if other people are in that same situation, but in light of the way that things are moving and there were in another dangerous situation, it's so important that you're informed when it comes to insurance. So make sure you guys check those things out. We're going to do an episode where we talk about why not opening your mail is a trauma response to societal and financial insecurity. A hundred percent.

We're going to do another episode, stuff that I learned when I was talking to different people where being sometimes late on your stuff or not opening your stuff is a legitimately societal response. to always receiving bad news and bills themselves being bad news and like why that exists and why we need to start opening our mail because it just... Oh, no, it's real. It's a thing. I know that's it for me. It's a thing. I don't know how that happened in the, in the Lindsay household, but yawson...

Well, it happened over in the last year for me. Oh, see? See? See? Why, I'm telling you, there are all of these little things. Okay. Cool. All right, look, that's the insurance portion of it.

I want to say something real quick, because we're going to move from insurance right now to the price collagen that's happening. Okay, there was an article in L.A.S., which I'm loving the coverage that LAS is doing that. I want to give the reporter here his props. I reached out to him and asked him to come on the podcast. He did not respond.

He didn't say, fuck you. He's going to give him his props, but then also let everybody know. No, he fucked over. His name is David Wagner at Radio Wagner. He's a reporter covering housing for Elias. There was an article that he wrote about price gouging because of the fires. He said we've seen, actually he didn't say this. The attorney general said we've seen business and landlords,

up the price. It's called price gauging. It's illegal. You cannot do it. It's a crime punishable by jail. By you're in jail and fines. In his story in Elias, he called one agent and he had seen that this agent had listed a price as significantly more than it was listed for before. And it was actually said during the call that people are desperate. The houses are going up. The agent cited supply and demand.

Now, that was their response as to why they had upped it. Why they had upped it. Supply and demand. When she had said people were desperate, she just thought she was talking to somebody who was calling and asking why the prices were up.

And then when, you know, it came back, it's like, what's the reason that you would raise price supply and demand. All right. Here's a day. I want to let people know something real quick. A clunky way to get to this,

but I want to let people know something real quick. We're talking about sometimes 15, 20, 25% prices going up. Here at higher learning and in other places, we are going to be watching the price gouging of people who are putting their lives back together. And if you are a real estate agent, a conglomerate, a business owner, a landlord,

or anyone who is engaging in the business of price gouging people who are looking for lodging and housing after their homes have burnt down, I, along with many other people in the space that have any type of platform, we're going to try to fucking ruin you. We're going to embarrass you. We're going to make you a social, political and economic pariah in this town. Now, I have lived in places before,

we've said this before, where there have been natural disasters. I've seen what people try to do in the name of capitalism after people have lost everything. It is a different time now, hopefully. There is literally nothing else for me to be devoting myself to right now than making an example. example of people that at the worst time in somebody's life are trying to make a buck

in the most nefarious, insidious way that they can. We saw this during the pandemic. They're always going to be people like this. But the difference is now we don't have shit else to do, but sit on the people that are doing this and make sure that people know their names. Yeah. We definitely, because I've seen what you're talking about with, you know, the social media post, but I haven't seen the name of the agencies or the name of the real estate agent who's doing it.

It is illegal. So just so, you know, I saw, I was listening to something Jason Oppenheimer was saying with the Oppenheim group, and he was saying that his client didn't even know it was illegal. So just to let you know, in California, it is illegal. if rent prices rise over 10% during a declared state of emergency, which is exactly what we're in right now. Also, businesses cannot charge more than 50% of the cost of an item. And we're seeing that as Vang just laid out happen a lot.

Hotels are doing it. Prices are going up for certain things. Listings, I mean, listings that were $17,000 are going for $30,000, which $17,000 a month is already. a lot. So it's important that we call out these people and these businesses that are doing it, as Van State it, and also inform people of what their rights are because some people are so desperate, they're willing to pay it and not realizing that what's being done to them is illegal. Also, the Oppenheim group said that they will represent people and not charge their commission.

If you're looking to rent in California and you're needing a space, they will do the commit, help you find find a place free of any commission. So it's your stuff right. The listing agent in the LAS story, her name is Fiora Aston. Of who? Fiora Aston of, it doesn't say here.

The listing agent here, old, it says right here. There's audio of the interview as well. Oh, Compass. Fiora Aston with Compass. Fiora, I'm sorry that you must be made an example of. But the reality of the situation is that we will get granular. We will get granular, specific with the people who are taking advantage of people at this time.

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. You guys, close friends have lost their homes. People that work here have lost their homes. people that I've come up playing ball with have lost their homes. Places that I've spent Thanksgiving, Christmas, holidays, all kinds of homes gone. People have lost their homes. A whole black community in Altadena gone.

Gone. And everyone thinks that it's just the rich people that lost their homes. All kinds of people that lost their homes. By I burned up all their homes, killed people, death toll up to 24. We're not going for that. And it's still burning. And it's still burning. We're not going for this.

We're not going for any of that. I'm not white nighting or trying to come off as whole air than thou or anything like that. I'm asking for the basic we're, not me. We're asking for the basic level of human dignity and decency. Basic level. Basic level of human dignity and decency. Which is don't take advantage of somebody whose house burned down. Right.

So. Who lost everything. Who lost everything. So we're going to follow up with people and make it our job, as others will. L.A.ist. Shout out to him. Didn't want to come on a podcast. L.A.ist.

Looking at people who are doing this and making you celebrities. All of the villains involved in this. Making you guys famous around town. The people that lost their homes won't be the only people that lost. Also heard on a press conference this morning that they are coming after, specifically said they're coming after these people to process. acute. Well, they better. That's up to Mayor Gavre, Mayor Bass and Governor Newsom. No, that's up to the DA's office. Oh, does DA's

office takes care of that? Legal evil? It's criminal. Okay. Well, I mean, because it's against the law you're saying. Legal Eagle, you know that. All that got them stuff. Um, actually, I'm going to come back and do part of that over again to, to clean up at the beginning. Okay, um, let's get into the politics of this. Prisoners or politics? Prisoners first or politics first? What do you think? Probably politics last. Politics last?

All right. Let's talk about the prisoners here, the incarcerated people who are helping to put this blaze out. Actually, what we got? Well, it looks like there's more than 900 incarcerated people who are helping the 7,500 personnel that are fighting the wildfires. As of today, 939 fire camp fighters have been working around the clock cutting fires and removing fuel from behind. structures and slow fire spread, including 100 intense support staff. That's from the California's Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation. So California has relied on incarcerated firefighters since 1915. And it says that individuals who are part of this program are voluntarily there and are paid

between $5.80 to $10.24 per day with additional pay provided during emergencies and other circumstances. So that's kind of strange that they're not getting paid for that. They're slaves. They're fire slaves. Here's the thing though, it's complicated. It's not complicated that

this shouldn't be happening. But I watched some interviews with the inmates and actually, you know what? Let's let them speak for themselves. Hassan Um, Hassan Piker was out

interviewing people, interviewing some of these inmates that are involved in this. And this is what some of the guys have to say about their experience, fighting fires, being incarcerated people. Do you feel like it's almost like a respite from being, is it better than being in prison or no? It's way better because I was in a prison yard. I'm seeing guys get stabbed, get jumped, get beat up. The cops treat us like shit is like shit. But here, we get better treatment, right?

They talk to us like humans. I talk to us like humans. We got a job. We're underpaid, but we got a job. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then the community comes out and shows us all kinds of love. We never received that growing up.

We never received that kind of love, that kind of recognition for anything we've done. So now, doing this kind of stuff and all this love coming, that's life-changing for a lot of guys. That's all they need is a little bit of recognition. With this, it's life-changing, and we get opportunities at careers.

How long was your sentence? You know what I mean? 17 years. 17 years. Yep. God damn. They're going to shave it off. Yeah.

They're going to shave it off. They're going to shave it off. They're going to shave it off. They better shave it off. But you feel me? It's actually not complicated. Let me tell you why I said it was complicated. I said it was complicated because I haven't like a direct set of thoughts when I think about somebody out there fighting fires for $3 an hour, right?

Like I said, fire slaves is what I think about. It feels complicated when you listen to him talk about how he feels doing it and what it means to be received in love for doing something. And so you think, man, you know, maybe it's a, maybe it's fulfilling in some sort of way. But it's not complicated because the general thrust of it, the underlying thrust of it, is the fact that that is somebody who has to put their lives in harm's way in order to feel love from people around him, love that he never felt before, and get paid next to nothing for doing it. Yeah. It's you hear him talk and he appreciates being the respect, right? There's a, he feels respected as he's, you know, fighting fires and has a sense of responsibility and is able to be out from behind the prison walls.

But, you know, obviously it's a system that takes advantage of people in a desperate situation. The ACLU and University of Chicago Law School did a report in 2022. Over a five-year period, four incarcerated firefighters were killed and a thousand were injured while on the job. As you pointed out or Ashley read, max $10.24 per day. And the crazy thing is, too, all right. So, oh, he talks about time off. they get their earned time credit, two days are removed from their sentences

for every day they serve in a fire crew. Two days. So yeah, I said $3 an hour earlier. That's bullshit. It's $5 to $10 per day. And they're working 24-hour shifts. You know, this is yet another thing that hopefully people will be able to

diagnose from everything that's going on, which is the prison industrial complex and how it takes advantage of incarcerated people. Worth Rises is the name of the organization. The lady that runs the organization is Bianca Tylek. If you want to know just the way the prison industrial complex works, that is a great organization to follow through your support, behind and keep an eye on.

But we're talking about everything. We're talking about the way prisoners' phone calls are monetized. We're talking about the way prisoners' diets and the food that they eat are monetized. We're talking about like every single piece of commerce that happens or every single right that you would have inside of a prison, there being a small tax on it. And not a small tax, a tax that really takes. takes an immeasurable toll on black and brown people. When you just want to call someone,

when you want to send somebody food, when someone wants to have a program, all of that. We're talking about big companies like Armarch, who are feeding the prisoners, and the quality of the food that they're feeding them based upon the actual money that they're being paid to feed them. We're talking about telecom companies

that are charging exorbitant rates for people. people to call their loved ones who are incarcerated. We're talking about medical care. We're talking about all of that stuff. And then we're talking about the legalized slavery that exists inside of prisons. That takes advantage of what these guys can produce so they can get cheap labor. Yeah. Harping on what or, you know, building on what you said about them being slaves,

you would think that with, okay, obviously these people committed. a crime, they're serving time. I understand all of that. The argument is toward that. But you would think that with the training that's received, with the risking of their lives, also the ability to qualify to be in one of these programs, meaning that, you know, your good behavior, you've done certain things also that allows you to participate in one of these camps, as you just heard the person being interviewed talk about, you would think that upon release, then they would be able to become firefighters if they wanted to, which firefighters in the city of Los Angeles

can start off at $85,000 a year. You would think that, knowing that they did all that, and there's already been a bit of training there, not full training, that they would be able to qualify to be able to apply to that. They've already proven something.

Most of them can't even qualify to be firefighters. They cannot get those jobs because of their records. So it even more so goes towards the archivalers. arguments of slavery, and it almost seems to be in vain. It seems as if they're dangling this freedom in front of their faces to get to accomplish an end goal for themselves rather than actually to rehabilitate prisoners who have proven themselves to be on good behavior so they can function back in society. You would think that this would be a pipeline to be able to do that, and it's not.

They use them for what they want, and that's it. another nonprofit that is dedicated to ending mass incarceration and its LA base is the anti-recidivism recidivism coalition. Yeah, the ARC, yeah. They are, if you donate to them, the money goes to providing necessities to the incarcerated firefighters. It gives them like new toiletries, other gear, other things that they need. And the money that is left over, they plan to put towards scholarships for formerly,

incarcerated firefighters to provide benefits to them as well. So they're really doing great work there. There are ways that you can help. But this is something I knew about but I didn't really know about until this fire.

And there are a lot of people listening to us right now that are thinking, okay, that guy got 17 years in prison. Well, he said he was a violent offender. He said he was a violent offender. Now, okay, now see? Oh, wait, let's talk about this. Okay?

He said he was a violent offender. You go, oh, I didn't hear it. I'm not indicting Rachel right now. But what I'm saying is that sometimes is we go, hmm, violent offender kind of where it should be. That wasn't my own. I know. I get it.

I get it. But it is a different response when someone is a violent offender and a nonviolent offender, right? When we hear people talk about incarceration, we normally hear people talk about nonviolent offenders that have this. And that lends itself to the belief that violent offenders, not saying that Rachel did this, saying that violent offenders are kind of where there should be. Well, I do want to note that even if he is a violent offender, he's done things that are considered good to be to qualify for this type of program. And there are certain people who aren't even allowed to apply and he's not one of them that fit into it. rape, sex offenders,

arsonists, they cannot even be a part of being an incarcerated firefighter. Right. So whatever he did is still not deemed as he can't participate. Well, according to him,

and according to him, he's part of the group that allowed violent offenders. He's part of the first group of people, of violent offenders that have been allowed to participate in. I know what he did.

What he did. I know two things, though. Okay, two things. One, he's 25 years old. Right? So being that he's 25 years old, whatever he did, if he's been down for a little while,

he did it when he was very, very young. Yeah, he said he went in at 18. Okay. And two, I just want people to think about this. I get it. I understand. Forget about the offender part of it and think about the citizen part of it.

Offender is one thing. I get how people feel about offenders. You did something wrong. We don't have the capacity and the capability right now to think of society in a holistic way. So if you did something that is violent,

people look at you like a bad egg, a bad apple, someone that needs to be taught a lesson. You need to go sit down for a little while, get you away from the rest of the people and whatever, wherever. So people think about offenders in one way. Most offenders will become citizens. Now, if you're thinking about them,

as offenders, you think about the way you can put a boot in their ass and make sure that they pay a death to society that we have a societal revenge upon them, right, for what they did. And that we keep them away from the rest of the quote-unquote good law-abiding citizens. Think about the offender. But that guy's going to get out. What do you want him to be when he gets out?

Do you want him to be somebody who is someone who is making $85,000 a year like, wow, making $85,000 a year, putting out fires, being an asset to his community, being someone that has a job that he clearly stated, makes him feel whole, makes him feel respected, and makes him feel like he's proud. He makes him feel pride, something that he's never been shown before. Or do you want to put him in a situation where his desperation makes him revert back to the things that he knows? to where he gets out and he then is treated again like he ain't shit, to where he gets the same messages of worthlessness,

desperation, and hopelessness that he got as a kid. Yeah. Except this time, he's getting them as a grown man with the opportunity to fall back into the same things and do them and do more home. Which is better for society, turning that guy into a firefighter or turning him into someone who can actually come out and live a life that he could be proud of and his family could be proud of. And if you're thinking about society as a whole in any way, if you're not thinking about your law and order bullshit or your white supremacist bullshit, there is no comparison. There's a clear answer to that question.

In 2020, Governor Newsom did approve a law that sought to make it easy. for some prisoners who worked as firefighters to get their records expunged. What I would, as we leave this topic and we move into the politics of it, and we start talking about the way that this is all being politicized over focusing on humanity, I would urge and encourage our local and regional leaders to look at this as a situation of it could be better for society, for all the things that we just listed. This is a start. Okay, now there's a law.

You approved a law to expunge the records for incarcerated firefighters. But this should be a pipeline. And there should be other pipelines like this. People who are putting their lives on the line to protect other people. That is something that you should be proud of. And that's somebody that I would want to work as a firefighter when I hear an interview like this. So I think that more things like that when we talk and when we watch and we learn from what has happened, this is one of the things that should be focused on. Yeah. To me, the hesitancy to the hesitancy to embrace things like this comes from a deep-seated and deeply rooted belief that certain people are born bad.

Of course. And that they are where they're supposed to be. And in order to keep certain parts of the economy, capitalism thriving, you need the cheap labor that is provided. to you by putting niggas in jail. And you also need to have them in jail because there is an entire economic incentive. Man, I watched that documentary. I keep telling you guys about it where some of the parole board people are economically incentivized to deny parole to certain types of offenders because if they give the parole to

them, they might then lose their jobs. So, I mean, I'm just saying. No, look about, think about the judge, one of the judges that just got. pardon from prison. Yeah. Like it's, it's there.

I just read an article today. A judge that just got in trouble, got removed from the bench because she texted another judge, a picture that her husband had sent her of a baby wearing an ankle monitor. A black baby wearing an ankle monitor. Like, yeah.

And this is somebody who makes decisions about locking people up. And this is how she views black babies. What? You say something about my dad? No. What's the smirk for? I just, that's a funny picture.

I'm going to the bathroom. I'm going to the bathroom. I'm taking a ring. I'm going to go to that. It's a funny. Is it funny? Is it funny if you send it? Or is it funny if a white judge sends it?

I don't know. For some reason, I just got, it's not funny. I'm not sending you the picture. I just got a picture in my head of a baby with an ankle monitor on it. The black baby is smiling with a toy ankle monitor on it. Like you just got to like you got to watch this motherfucker like you're trying to give him some milk. And he like, make sure that milk ain't got no chocolate in it. I got a piss clean for my PO.

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It has to start over. No, no, no, no, no, leave it. Leave it. No, no, no, leave it. Leave it. It's got to stay. Ashley C. And it's facing a lot of backlash for her recent, just, I guess we can say comments on her wildfire response. And she has posted a video where she is talking about it with a more intentional aspect.

So here she is. Angelinos, we're still going through it. to any of you and all of you that have experienced a loss, the grief, the anger, the just utter shock. I've seen the devastation. It is unbelievable the amount of loss that people have experienced. But we have to get through this crisis, and I know that we will. I was at the Silmar command post today, and I saw the work of our first responders and how they've been able to defeat the fires in certain areas. We know we still have much more to go, and we know the winds are going to kick up again. But we got to stick together. We got to stand strong. And then we have to rebuild our city.

We're the nation's second largest city, one of the greatest cities in the world. And we stay together and we will rebuild an amazing city. So thank you, Angelinos. And my thoughts and prayers are out to all of you that are going through unbelievable loss and pain today. We will get through this. Thank you. Does Mayor Bass survive this? No. I mean, unless something else happens, I mean, I was reading something about the way the public responds to how political leaders react and respond to a crisis, an emergency that happens in their community. And they pay attention to the political leaders and either their stock. goes up and there's examples of that or it goes down and how people feel about them.

The way people are responding outside of the city of Los Angeles and within it in regards to Mayor Bass, I do not see how she survives this. I mean, even before she, as soon as it started, she was being criticized for not being here. And it's just bullshit, but. And then that, that honestly, she never was able to turn the tide from there. I mean, people were so critical, they took it as an opportunity to harp on the fact that she wasn't here, talk about the things they would have done,

had they been elected. You had very powerful people with huge platforms coming after Mayor Bass. And we live in a society, as we've seen with the presidential election, where people don't do the research to discover things on their own. And just reading the head,

lines. It looks bad. Just staying on social media. Just following your favorite influencer, celebrity politician. It looks bad for her. So I don't know what she could do to change the tide because people have already made up their mind about her, whether it's because of what they're reading or if it's because of preconceived notions they already have about who she is as a person. So to answer no. So a couple of things. The fire chief, Kristen Crowley,

seemed to throw the mayor under the bus. No, she did. She threw the mayor under us. She did. Do we have that clip? Yeah, we do. Play that. Did the city of Los Angeles fail you and your department and our city?

It's my job to stand up as a chief and exactly say, justifiably what the fire department needs to operate to meet the demands of the community. Did they fail you? That is our job. And I tell you, that's why I'm here. So let's get us what we need so our firefighters can do their jobs. Did they fail you? Yes.

She was then summoned to a closed door meeting. It was reported that she had been fired, but that ended up not being true. She was then summoned to a closed door meeting with Mayor Bass, and after that meeting, she had this to say. So $17 million cut did not allow us to do what we needed to do. And where that impacted us specifically for palisades was our ability to move into reserve apparatus. The $17 million cut cut into our ability to utilize resources that should be at our disposal that we were unable to fix because the funding was not there because of cuts to our mechanics. What type of apparatus are we talking about specifically? Mainly fire engines and ambulances.

Okay. They presented more of a united front after that. It seems like they were trying to get on the same page, whatever page that is. So what's happening in L.A., and really top to bottom in the state of California, is historic buck passing. Historic buck passing. What you said, but? Butt passing?

I was like, what's happening? Everyone is being, when something like this happens, like we talked about before, we want somebody to blame. We want to know how could this have happened. And obviously there's a human component in this in terms of the response, in terms of the preparation, in terms of what the city is doing

to protect itself from wildfires. And then there's a natural component to this that, once again, I'll say again, if there's no way to stop Mother Nature from having her way, like it gets to a point where there's no way to stop. Only thing you can do is try to mitigate it. So what you have here is the mayor

who is trying to keep things together, doing a poor job, doing a poor job, I'll be honest with you. You have the fire chief who is desperately trying to avoid blame from the constituency for this. And then you have other people who are choosing sides. To me, if there is something to criticize Mayor Bass for, it is that out of this tragedy,

there is not a unified voice coming out of City Hall, that everybody seems to be going it alone and in it for themselves. It's not a unified voice. Now, I tell you this, some of that even, I hate people are going to say this, some of this is just based in good old-fashioned American misogyny,

and I'll tell you why. Okay? There's a duteness that people like in the wake of tragedies like this. If you look at Post 9-11 with George W., Bush. The actual response to 9-11 and what the United States did in the wake of that was a disaster. As far as getting New York back together, I think people came together. But as far as what we did following 9-11, it's disastrous. You had global war on terror, which was a disaster. You have Afghanistan, which was a disaster.

You had Iraq, which was a disaster, right? However, when people go back and look at what George W. Bush did, They tend not to look at what he did. They tend to look at who he was, which was a dude, like unadulterated dundness. We're going to be together. We're going to get together. We are going to get and attack the people who did this. And we're going to build back stronger and better and whatever. When you look at Ray Nagin following Hurricane Katrina,

Ray Nagin ended up getting into all kinds of trouble. However, however, his bluster, his voice, his dudeness, his New Orleans is going to be a chocolate city, his, this is what we need to do. Get your ass down here. His criticism of federal and state government in their response to it, energize people in a way that I think a lot of people are comfortable seeing from a guy. that a lot of people see an energy that people feel it has to come from a guy. Like Trump, President Trump, is one for three in national elections. The only person he lost to was another dude. Yeah.

When he's up against a lady, no matter how qualified, no matter how what, his duteness makes people go, oh my God, no matter what he's saying, there's a dude. So I think part of this And look, there have been lady politicians, women politicians who have dealt with tragedy here in America and abroad. But what I am saying right now is that even when I watch the video of Mayor Bass,

believe everything that she said. But I think for a lot of people, it would have come off differently and played differently and they would have accepted it and felt it differently if she were a man. Yeah. It's almost as if there's this unwillingness to believe her. Now, I will say, I will agree with you, when she does talk, there seems to be like a lack of confidence.

It just doesn't land the same. But, yeah, there just is, I mean, it's, for whatever reasons you did or you didn't vote for Hillary, for whatever reasons you did or didn't vote for Kamala Harris, I had conversations with men who admitted their own misogyny, which is rooted in the patriarchy, of, I'm sorry, I just feel like she can't protect us. That is literally what was told to me in conversations.

I don't feel like she can protect us. And it was as simple as, well, if she was in a fight, I wouldn't trust that she could protect me, which has nothing to do with being the leader of this country or even the mayor of this city. But that is something that is deeply rooted within some people and they can't see it any other way. They don't trust her capability of leadership

simply because of who she is as a person, which in this case is a woman. Yeah. So to circle back for all those reasons, I can't see her. She can have all the support for men, right? which Gavin Newsom is standing beside her and supporting her. But at the end of the day,

I just don't think that she can beat the perception that people have of her. On the question itself about whether or not she really cut the budget, it's tricky. It made the city council approve the mayor's 24, 25 budget, $17 million in reductions to the fire department down from $23 million. while her citywide spending was being reviewed, she was also in closed-door negotiations over a major boost in pay for 3,000 firefighters in LA County. Those pay hikes, four years of raises,

and an array of other financial incentives, incentives were not finalized until several months after her budget went to effect. Okay? Right. The city council approved the firefighter raises in November, which added more than 53 in a double. additional salary costs. By then, the council had also signed off on $58 million for new fire trucks and other

department purchases, which kind of speaks to what Fire Chief Crowley was just talking about. She claims it to $17 million that was reduced in the budget for firefighters would have gone to maintaining the maintenance and the upkeep and training and training of new firefighters and their equipment. So while that stuff wasn't in the budget, it was being allotted. Yes and no. This is what I, it's really,

the word is tricky. It is, the word really is tricky because what I'm understanding is overall there was more money given. It's a, it's a matter of, it seems like money was taken from a certain area

and allocated to something else, which in general in the grand schemes, it's grand scheme of it, more money was given. but where was that money going to? And it sounds like the fire chief is saying, we actually needed that money here and not there, or we needed more of it.

So it almost is like a both things are true. The fire department budget was not cut by Mayor Bass in the city council, which I also want to stress, and maybe this is where I was going earlier, everyone keeps saying Mayor Bass cut it, Mayor Bass cut it, Mayor Bass cut it, Mayor Bass cut it, Mayor Bass cannot make unilateral decisions. As you just read, it has to be approved by the city council. So she proposed a budget that had cuts.

But she didn't just sign off on it. There was a council of your elected local officials who said that was also okay. Yeah, but it's still her budget, though. It's her budget. It's still her budget. Yeah. Her budget cut $23 million. Yeah.

Their budget said no $17. Yes, it's her budget. but it was approved for all these people because there are like I'm just saying if you're not trying to just place blame on city council but what I'm saying is the blame solely isn't just on one person and my point being is if fire fire the fire department was an issue for the whole city then there would have been a pushback of 17 is too much you know there's a council that checks the mayor and they approved it and then she signed off on it so yes it was her original proposal But there were a number of people.

I don't know how many people sit on the city council that okayed it. At least the majority of them did. So once again, the real diagnosis here comes from the dysfunction that's inside city hall that they can't all get on the same page. And I'm sorry, that's going to reflect on leadership 10 times out of 10. It is. It's going to reflect on leadership. It's going to reflect on how people are viewing the tip of the spear there.

And so this is about to be a finger-pointing blame contest on who's going to take the fall from this. And it seems like right now Mayor Bass is losing that battle. Oh, yeah. She's losing that battle. It would have looked bad to fire the fire chief in the middle of a wildfire. It would have been terrible. It actually looks kind of bad calling her in for a closed door meeting in the middle of a wildfire. when she should be devoted on her.

But she had to. She had to. After this is over, I would fire her. Without it, after this is over, that's not going to. I would let the voters decide my fate. But after this is over, I will fire her. Why?

Because there is no fucking way. I'm not like, that's why I could never be. Yeah, there is no fucking way. No fucking way. That legitimately asked, things are burning, that I'm going to have someone that's supposed to be in sympathico with me, that it's going to come out and go, there's your culprit. You're done.

And by the way, and not just because you're assigning a blame to me, just because that is not the way that you build confidence in the people of the city of this. We have to be united with what we're doing. You were right. And I'm going to push back on this because you would have been the fire chief. No, I wouldn't have. Let me, let me just, let me just, let me just say this. I've been in these situations before. Let me just say this.

In my opinion, and I don't agree with what she did either. Okay, I do think what the city needs to see is a unified front, even if you don't feel like it is, even if you feel wronged. The fire chief chose her department and her firefighters over politics. Because to create, I thought, this is how I see it. Okay. So create a united front means she would have to go against what she truly deeply believes that her department wasn't, didn't have the means. Like, because at the end of the day, again, it's Mother Nature.

Who's to say that having that extra $17 million would have prevented this? But at least you wouldn't even be able to say that. She has felt since December 4th where she wrote the report that her department was depleted in resources that they needed to be sufficient to combat an emergency or a disaster. If you deeply feel that these are your people, you're one for the people. To provide a unified front means you have to put those feelings aside for, you know, to provide or present a unified front.

You are a person who if you deeply believe what you believe in, I feel like you standing ten toes down on that rather than being like, I'm just going to kumbaya it, just for the sake of kumbayaing it. I understand. I don't know what I would have done if I was the fire chief, but I totally understand

if she was that passionate about her firefighters either being placed in danger or not being able to fully do their jobs to protect humanity to the city that she was like, no, we didn't have it. So this is what I would say. I get what you're saying.

My kind of thing with public service always comes back to what the actual goal is. And I think sometimes, and look, an immense amount of respect, firefighters, immense amount of respect for soldiers, immense amount of respect for people who take public service seriously that are police officers. Sometimes I think the culture of those individual endeavors

precludes them from seeing how to best help people. So there is a culture that goes along with being a part of something. Right. There's a culture that goes along with being a part of military or the policing or being a firefighter, right? And that means I have duty to firefighters and to the people or duty to the police or duty to the military. I get it. I'm not in any way besmirching any of those three things because legitimately when you watch firefighters go out there and put their lives in danger to save people's property and to you're hoping that everyone goes back home.

But when I look at the fire chief, I think that she should not be thinking about what is good for the fire department in a time like this. She should be thinking about... But for what purpose? She should be thinking about right now what's good for the citizens of Los Angeles. And what's good for the citizens of Los Angeles right now is for the citizens of Los Angeles right now is for the citizens of Los Angeles. to have faith in the institutions that are out there protecting them. And when you see discord in the institutions at the top, all it does is so division and move people off of what they should be thinking about,

which is how we can help each other. And to me, to play politics or to do I told you so's, while the city is burning down, is not prioritizing those citizens. It's not putting them first. It's putting the inner workings of City Hall first. and the displeasure that you have with the way that things have gone first, it's saying, I told you this would happen, this is why we needed more money, I don't believe that I would do that.

I understand what you're saying. I would push back and say, that is exactly the type of fire chief that I would want. Interesting. Because I would want them to be fighting for, we disagree on her goal. I think her goal is, I'm fighting for the firefighters for the purpose of being able to provide for the city of

Los Angeles, right? Like, they can't do what they need to to serve and protect in that way. That's what I think she's thinking. Maybe I wouldn't have gone about it the way that she did, but that is the type of fire chief that I would want. And I would push back on, yes, it creates division within leadership, which I already believe that there is a division. There is already for some people reason.

I don't even feel like Karen Bass has the full city council support. And I think some of that is because it was such a close race. She barely won. I think there are a lot of people who really want a Caruso, which is also what you're seeing come out. She barely won the mayor race. But I would push back on you saying that it's crossing such a division where it affects how people's desire to want to help or what they can do because, you know, this weekend,

I have seen it. I'm not from here. I said this to last podcast. But I feel as I'm as thankfully right now, I'm safe. you know, I've been fortunate in that in that way that I should be here to help those that aren't. And Saturday, Kalika and I went out to donate and I saw humanity right there. I was in the middle of it. So despite the leadership being disjointed and not putting on a unified front, that has not

impacted what I am seeing within this city. We waited in line for two hours just to donate. Nobody was leaving lines. Nobody was complaining. There were no attitudes. There were hundreds of volunteers and there were thousands of people in line just waiting to drop off. I saw a system in place. I saw people encouraging other people, thanking other people, all coming out to provide because they can. So despite what we're seeing, and I don't know how this is looking to the outside world, despite what you may be seeing and the politics, of it all that is coming not just from within our local government, but from the far right and them taking it as an opportunity to politicize what is going on within this city, people are helping people. And we're going to continue to on this podcast point out ways that you can help. We're both using our social medias that are putting together their Google docs with families that are so detailed showing how much money they've received, how much money

they need to go, who's in need. There are a bunch of places to go volunteer. There are a bunch of places to donate and that people reach out to me that are saying, hey, I'm not there. I can't get there to be boots on the ground. Well, there are a lot of places that you can donate to help and support.

So, you know, I think our leadership needs to get it together. But in this city, people are rallying and unifying together to help. I always put my faith in people. But I'm also just saying, saying, I get it, that woman trying to save her job and everybody seems to be covering their asses. Gavin Newsom did a whole fucking, he created a whole fucking website called California Firefox.com. It's very excited to go to the website and it's

very informative. But when you go to the website, it's Gavin Newsom combating misinformation from people like Dinesh DeSouza and Sean Hannity and all of that. I get it. It's very important to combat misinformation. It is. It is. And I like the fact that you are directly combating misinformation. However, the Seneca in Me believes that that page is doing as much to protect Gavin Newsom's national standing as a future presidential candidate as it is about combating the misinformation that might be out there because he's linking people's Twitter posts in there and going, this is true, this isn't true, this isn't true. We're fighting a multi-front battle right here. And the battle that we're fighting here is with people who have political aspirations. and aspirations for themselves

against what they believe should be happening for the people. And also just misinformed people. Like the amount of celebrities that are out here spewing misinformation, it's just, it's wild. So I understand why he's doing it,

but you're so right. All of this for the our political leaders is to save face for the next election. Chloe Kardashian, look, she's a citizen she can have an opinion, but what close? You don't live in L.A. Whatever.

She lives in L.A. County. But Mayor Bass is and her mayor. Oh, who's her mayor? I don't know. Whatever. Whatever. But it's like, I get it, but it's like all of that stuff. It's like West Hollywood, Beverly Hills, Compton, other cities.

I'm saying this is this why I would say to Clairutcheon, as soon as you donate 330,000 gallons of water, y'all donate the water first. Water, pirate thief, water people. What y'all need all that water for, Kardashians? What's y'all doing with the water over there? Huh? water-based BBLs?

What y'all need all that water for? Y'all didn't think people's going to fuck over y'all. Y'all came out there. You know, look, have your political opinion. But stop using so much fucking water, what y'all using that water for? Nah, if you're going to have your political opinion, be educated about it. Sorry. Whatever.

Do whatever. Rick Caruso, another water thief. All right, protected his mall and the palaces. Glad it didn't burn down. Yeah, we're glad, but the village was protected with private firefighters. I will say this, though, there are questions to be asked, and even Gavin Newsom is trying to pass the buck a little bit and ask this question. There was a reservoir in the Palisades that was emptied.

Because of maintenance. Because of maintenance. And you just want to know how that could happen. During this time. Just any time you want to know, you want to make sure there is, maybe there are lessons to be learned about redundancy, about other places that water are going. You want to ask those questions. the mayor has said, hey, we're going to work with DWP to ask these questions and get to the bottom of it.

But even in that, he's trying to make sure that people don't say, hey, it's Gavin Newsom's fault that this water wasn't there. Yeah. He's trying to make sure people don't say that. So look, these are the people who we're going to launch the investigation to where the water was, whatever. All right, we gave you as much fire coverage as we can. But guess what? We got more podcasts. We got more podcasts.

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There's a lot of people that won't admit this. I'm going to admit it. I was a bit misinformed. Let's call it what it is. And that pressure emanating from my community, I'm tired of it. I think that's one of the reasons you see me sound. Patrick Bed-David alluded to that as well,

talking about me. And they're right. They're right. Because with Obama in 2008, I knew I had the pleasure of knowing Senator McCain. I had my show, quite frankly, on the SPN2. I interviewed him for an hour, and he had kept in touch throughout the years. And there was only one reason I didn't vote for him because there was no way that a black man was going to be the Democratic nominee for the first time in American history. And I was going to go to the polls and pull that level for somebody else.

that was not happening. Now, in 2012, I could feel differently, but 2008, because I had this conversation with many conservatives, I said, I got my guy, my friend, that's a Republican to vote for Barack Obama. I'm like, I said, they've had 43 presidents

that had the opportunity to mess up. Can we get one? Let's see what he does. And I absolutely understand that. And that's totally, that totally. But John McCain was such a decent good man. in my eyes and my personal communication with him. There isn't another liberal alive that could have ran against him that I would have voted

for ahead of John McCain. It had to be somebody as special in my eyes as Barack Obama. Kamala Harris was somewhat similar from the standpoint. She was a black woman. I thought that the Democrats would have an opportunity to probably lose the House or the Senate, if not both. And my desire to have order to have to dissipate chaos, the chaos that I assumed would be forthcoming in a Trump administration,

along with the fact that here was this woman, this black woman, that finally had an opportunity to be in that position. I thought that she was somebody that could be swayed. So if you had the Republicans in the House and the Senate, no matter how extreme left she may have appeared to be, especially with being court. talking about people in prison, being able to have sex change operations and all this stuff. I thought she was somebody that could be swayed, that she wasn't somebody that was going to have the power that we anticipate Trump will have.

Trump just sat up there and turned two Republicans around the vote for Mike Johnson. Okay, we see that. As of this morning, we're renaming the Gulf of Mexico. How about that? How about that? I mean, this is Trump. And I certainly didn't see her having that kind of power. So it was safe.

It was safe. I'm going to tell you when my mind almost changed. I had already voted down here when Barack Obama spoke to those black men in Pittsburgh and alluded to misogyny being the reason that they weren't voting for Kamala Harris. I was highly offended by you. Go ahead. Sound off. You're the one.

What? Go ahead. There's nothing bad. I mean, what I didn't get in any of that was what he was misinformed about. I was thinking the same thing. I thought, my goodness, what a deflection. We went from him saying he's misinformed to John McCain, to ending with Obama, to speaking to the men. What else did he talk?

It was the biggest deflection, and I wish Dave Rubin. Dave Rubin would have been like, well, how are you misinformed? Well, Dave Rubin didn't care about that. I know he doesn't. He got what he needed. But I wish, so I'm saying. wish that would have been done. Also, and this is really the only opinion I have on this, as a journalist, you research, that's what you do. He's a great journalist in what he does.

He's moving as we've seen, and we've covered on this podcast from sports to talking to pop culture to talking politics. How is a journalist, have you, did you not, how can you say you feel misinformed when it is your duty to research and discover these things? If, anybody, you should be more equipped and informed on making the right decision. And it seems like he's placing the blame on every other person and why he seems to want to take it back that he voted for Kamal Harris. We don't know because he didn't say it in that clip. But I just don't understand how you could be misinformed as a journalist, an esteemed journalist at that.

Well, I mean, look, anybody can be misinformed about anything. The expectation that he should, would be informed, I get it. I understand what you're saying. I guess for me, it's like, once again, when we're having conversations about why you vote the way you vote, it's essentially, to me, always a question of how you envision society. What kind of society do you want? Right.

Like, what kind of society do you want to live in? And if you have those sets of priorities, then it should be clear who you vote for. Now there are policy differences between Donald Trump and Kamala Harris in terms of the way that they would do things. You then also have, which I didn't see talked about in that clip, four years of Donald Trump's governance before,

to decide whether or not that's the type of America that you want, right? Dave Rubin is not going to ask that question because Dave Rubin's point is not to get into a conversation about Stephen A. Smith's politics. Dave Rubin's point is to get Stephen A. Smith to give that sound bite so that it then empowers the viewership of Stephen A. Smith to either have buyers' remorse about a Kamala Harris vote or to say that Trump is a more sensible choice for the country. So the right-wing agenda that exists with Dave Rubin and the Rubin report is to get somebody on there to say the thing. This is sometimes, I think, what people don't get. And it has to do also with, like, Federman saying that he would go to Mara Lago.

Betterman said that he would go to Mara Lago. I said, Federman is a con man, John Federman, the senator from Pennsylvania. I don't think that John Fetterman is a con man for working with the other side to achieve something for Pennsylvaniaans. I don't think he's a comment for that at all. It's his job. I do think that he's a con man for going to Mara Lago because going to Mara Lago is not attacking those goals. No. That's a ring-kissing ceremony.

It's been the name. So if you are going to Mar-a-Lago to celebrate the passage of the First Step Act or the passage of a policing bill or the passage of something, that would be one thing. You've done the work. Now you go there and you say, I'll go down here for this, for the president, because of this. But going to Mar-a-Lago to talk to him, it's not the White House, it's not Capitol Hill, it's not any of that stuff. That's his layer.

So you're going down there to actually, make him more powerful in rhetoric and not in legislation, right? In my opinion. So if anybody voted for Kamala Harris and they regret it, I mean, I guess my question would be why. Like Trump hasn't even started his term yet. Like, what are you misinformed about? What did you think about her that you have now learned isn't true?

What has Donald Trump done during his transition? Is it, did you say, oh, my God, peace. Head Seth is going to be Secretary of Defense. I didn't know he would do that. Fucking amazing. Oh my God. Matt Gates is going to be Attorney General. I didn't know that he would do that. Fucking amazing. Oh, my God. He wants to annex Canada and make it

the 51st state. I never heard that before. That's an amazing idea. Fucking great. He wants to annex Greenland. He wants to send troops to the Panama Canal, if need be. Oh, my Lord. He said that he would rain down hell on

Gaza if the hostages aren't back by the time he takes over. That's fantastic. Oh my God, he put Elon Musk and Vivek Ramaswami in charge of cutting the federal budget. That's great. To unelected bureaucrats. He's put,

he said that he was against lobbying. He's put lobbyists really deep into his administration. All of this stuff is amazing. If there was one thing that made you change your mind, I would like, I think it's I mean, Dave Rubin's not going to get that conversation, but I think it's important to talk about those things. Does Stephen A. Smith go on,

I feel like we're always covering him, and I don't know this, and that's what I'm asking his question. I feel like we're always covering him going on some conservative platform. Does he go on, like, is he on Roland Martin? Does he go on like... I'm sure he has, I haven't seen him. But it wouldn't make news, because here's the thing. Just to be honest with you,

If Stephen A. Smith went on Roland Martin or if Stephen A. Smith, it wouldn't make news because he is right to a degree that there is, I mean, I probably immense pressure from the black community for him to vote for the Democrats. I mean, I'm sure that's true. Well, I'm sure it is true.

But, you know, he seems to be so willing to, you know, be in the space of talking politics. I don't know. It seems like, okay, especially him making this statement right now with Dave Rubin, I would say, well, come on here and let's flush out, like, why do you feel that way?

I'm sure you're not alone, but I'd be curious to know like why, what has happened as of January, whatever when he did this interview that made you want to say that. Does he go on,

like, I think it would make news if he went on the other side's platform to explain that. Yeah. I mean, look, let's bring a little bit of specificity to the discourse because I think one thing

that he's responding to and that he's right about, is oftentimes these conversations about politics devolve into insults and they devolve into making character judgments about people, right? Yes. And if there's one thing I want to do away with, it's that. Because that doesn't get us to being smarter members of an electorate. There are direct things that I believe that are cross purposes with a lot of conservative thought.

an idea in terms of politically, but also particularly the MAGA stuff, right? So I would ask, like, Stephen A. Smith or any black person that was supporting MAGA right now, if they support the elimination of DEI initiatives across the country, if they support the MAGA push to outlaw CRT or change the way black history, is being taught in schools if they are for the push to make people like

Nicole Hannah-Jones, Pariahs. I would ask particularly black people if you believe a black history, black initiatives, if you believe that the environmental executive

order that Joe Biden signed to create environmental task force, forces for black and brown communities across the country that the Trump transition team said in week one after they were elected that they would get rid of it because it was woke. It's woke for black children to have somebody

looking after their clean air and their clean water. I would ask if that's something that you were misinformed about. I would just ask if there's any problem with that side and the way they seem to deal with anything that wants to address, systemic inequality or disparity that has to do with black people. And if you don't believe in those things

and I don't know whether he does or doesn't or anybody else that supported or voted for President Elect Trump does, I just want to have a conversation about the merit of those things. That makes sense. And those are the things that we can have a company

without name calling, without getting into conversations of who is a sellout or all of that stuff like that because that just, that at this point isn't useful anymore. And so when he says that he felt pressure from that situation, it's probably true.

At the same time, though, we didn't hear what the misinformation was. I mean, we didn't hear what he thought he knew and he didn't know. Yeah. I mean, I'm just being for real. It's the first thing I noticed. Jimmy Butler, we got two more. And we're on some bullshit now, so get used to it, Rachel. You see me?

I'm like tapped out. Jimmy Butler has slammed his baby's mama because she wants an extra $10,000 a month in child support. He pays $55,000 a month, former girlfriend, Caitlin Noak. Okay? Monthly child support. She says the $55,000 should be more than enough for their three kids,

Riley, Braylon, and Keon. He said he wants to know why his ex-lover is billing him at a further $10,000 every month. He says that she refused. to get a job. They were never married. They have three kids together. She white. Your thoughts? I mean, I'm jaded. Let's just start there. So my opinion is completely biased. This woman is three kids with him. And she gets $55,000 a month. What's the math on that? That's over half a million a year. What is that? 700,000? I can't. Somebody do the math. And so,

a lot of money is my point. Especially if she's living in Florida where she don't have to pay state taxes. Okay, that's $660,000 a year for three kids. She's asking for an extra 10 for a nanny. According to Jimmy Butler's lawyer, she does not work, and she's getting that much money. Now, unless one of these children is special needs in some way, that is more than enough. money to support the children, which I would like to think that if the children specifically needed something that Jimmy Butler would still provide it, but it appears, and again, this is

only coming from the Jimmy Butler's lawyers, that she wants more money to maintain a certain lifestyle or, you know, to, well, they said to live the life of a wife of an NBA player. I'm sorry, $55,000 is more than enough for you to take care of three children and for you to not work, to be honest with you. So I'm not understanding what the problem is here. They got three kids. They have three kids. Jimmy got to pay that bread, man.

He's paying $55,000 a month. You say more? I would say maybe put Jimmy on a hundred bands. You're just talking for the sake of talking. I'm not. I'm saying, look, you had three kids. They had three kids, man. And she's getting $660,000 a year.

She's also young and fully capable of working. So should she not work? I mean. Because 55 is enough for a nanny. Jimmy circled the block three times. How old are the children? That's what I want to know. They're babies.

Like Jimmy circled the block three times. Three times. They got three kids. And that's why you're saying that much money. I'm not saying she's sure. receive less than that. I'm just saying that 55 is enough. Unless you can give me an itemized list of what,

how you were spending that 55 and why that is not enough, no. And you know, why is she not going to do that? Because it's probably going to show that she don't even need the 55. Wow. I mean, maybe she needs and maybe she doesn't. The reality is, what I'm saying is, you have three beautiful children.

You got three beautiful kids, right? Three beautiful kids. And they got to be taken care of. They are. And she got to be able to be there with the kids. I think three kids, I'm sorry, man. Jimmy, great basketball player, kind of untradable right now. I can't feel bad for Jimmy.

Jimmy had three kids with this woman. Jimmy, if it was one kid, whatever, Jimmy had three kids with this woman. 55 to me, when I saw it was 55, I was like, Jimmy getting off easy. He has one kid that's five. Okay. So public school. All right. I mean.

But even if he didn't, wait a minute. Why if you go to public school is Jimmy Bowles' kids? See, nigger, you're not in a frame of mind to have this conversation.

This woman, like she should be getting... $55,000 is enough. She should be getting a million a year. Again, again, but here's a thing. If she doesn't itemize list and shows why she needs more

and it shows that, then I'm for giving her more. But if she can't, because she just wants more because she feels she's deserving of it because of how much money he makes or the fact that he's in the NBA and it's being and then that means that it's going towards greed then I have a problem with it. How do you do it? If she doesn't need it. I'm saying if she doesn't need it. What define me? an itemized list. This is where your $55,000 a month is going to.

It's going to this. It's going to this. It's going to this. Now, if the children are all under five, then I can make an argument for her that she doesn't, that she needs a nanny maybe to help out in the daytime, but she doesn't want to work because she wants to be with the kids. I could see that being an argument.

I want to stay at home with my children. But once their school age, send the kids to school, public or private. Private school, yeah. But if you need it, it? Great. Show me how you need it. Okay. I'm sure that there's something like that in the court documents or anything like that. But the going up... And show me why you don't want to work and why you are not capable of working. I need to see that.

Well, she's a mother. Okay. So she's got three kids. But once the kids are school age, show me why you can't get a job and your money shouldn't be reduced. Well, the father is so well-resourced that if they were together... So you agree with what happened to me. I don't agree with what happened to you, and I'll tell you why. Because I am, I make more money. But let me tell you why not.

Let me tell you why I don't agree what happened to you. Okay. Masogyny. If we had had kids. I tell you why I don't agree. Massage. Because at my heart, I still got that, I still got that sogy in me. And there's nothing more fucking despicable to me than a useless ass man.

Get your motherfucking ass up and go to work. All right. I don't give a fuck. Clip it, put it on fucking the fuck. I don't give a fuck. Get your ass up is not the same. And that's because of patriarchy. It's not a good thing that I'm saying this.

Get your useless ass up and go to work up under some woman living off some lady. I'm not like that. Would it never been me. Okay? So I'm saying the reason why I look at it differently is because I believe in the core of me and it's not a good belief that women should be taking care of. and that men should take care of women. Now, that's wrong.

Y'all can believe whatever y'all want, that's wrong. But that's how I was raised, that my dad would say, hey, learn how to do something, because if you are useless, the world will show you no quarter because you are a man. This woman is not useless. She got three kids. And if three kids don't get raised,

they go out, Drake holds everywhere, society goes to shit, she's doing the most important job in the world, pay her for it, you spent the block three times with her.

And he is paying her. Jump or shooting ass nigger, $100,000 a month. And he is paying for her. I believe that it's not that you should provide and I think you should, you at the minimum,

should contribute, which is not what was happening. Look, you have some different shit. But she did. I'm not saying she didn't contribute because they have three children and she's the mother of their children. And I absolutely believe that she is entitled to a lot of money to provide for the children and then making sure that she's okay to be able to provide for the children. What we don't know is how involved Jimmy is with their lives. How, you know.

I'm sure he's a great father. No, no, no. I am, I'm, that's going towards the argument if you're not having to pay her is my point that he's involved. I wouldn't be shocked if like he has purchased a house. So we don't know if he's like, I have a house for her. It's fully paid. You know, like, so the 55 is just for whatever. That's what I'm saying.

I believe she's probably taking care of in other ways more than the 55. But, you know. I mean, look, I get it. I'm saying it is the same rule should apply in whether it's male or female in terms of the, it's just not, I'm just traditionalists in that way. but also that traditionalistness comes with a lot of bad ideas. So, you know, there's a lot of stuff that we root out of each other. My dad looked at it like that, and a lot of women would go, yay, he's like that. But you had to deal with a lot of shit when it came to that nigga.

A lot of goals with that. So not everybody really wants that. So I'm working that stuff out of me and everybody else should work that stuff out of them. But I don't think about it. And it's literally only because of the, gender roles. It's not that I don't believe in gender roles. Okay. Is that I try not to believe in them.

Because women said they didn't want to believe in. But then every time it's convenient for women to believe in them. Okay. Here we go. Here we go. I tried to do it y'all away, but y'all can't keep the same energy. All right, last one. Actually, I want you to introduce this one about a trailblazer. Former Los Angeles Sparks star Liz Cambage revealed that she has made more money upon starting an only fan's page than in her entire basketball career. So she ended up playing in 2022 after mutually parting ways with the Sparks. Cambage signed a one-year deal for $170,000 in February of that year before exploring other opportunities.

Then she turned to OnlyFans where her financial success went beyond her W&M. NBA wages. She reportedly earned more in her first week on the platform that she did in all her years on the basketball court. She now earns $1.5 million annually through OnlyFans, and she only earned $2,21,000 in her highest paying season. God, which is sadly on the high end for WNBA players. Yeah, she was well paid as far as the WBA's concerned. You like this. You call her a trailblazer. Yeah.

I'm always curious as to what kind of content. When you make, she says that she made in her first week more than she did in all her years on playing on the basketball court. So she made probably like half a million that first week. What's the content? I haven't seen it. we join live and look at her only how much is she charging how much is Liz Cambridge's only thing

but also like good for her I read that she didn't just do it because for financial reasons she wanted to she's like there are other sides of me more than just being a basketball player and I wanted to she says I wanted to explore them and show myself in a different way

and express myself so that's super empowering so also good for her I'm just asking the other question because I'm always curious when I hear how, because not everybody has this type of success on the only fans platform, and I'm always curious when they do, what are they doing? Well, she's a celebrity. So being that season- Not everybody knows WNBA players, but sure.

Well, I mean, she's- She's one of the-tops. Yes, she's one of the best. She's more famous than a lot of people that are going on the only fans. So what happens is this. She's beautiful. There's an only-fans math equation. Okay.

Okay. Hire the celebrity, less you have to do in your content. Lower the celebrity. Asking for a friend. Huh? Can you imagine? What? Go for it.

See? Hire the celebrity, lower you have to do in your content. Lower the celebrity, higher that you have to do in your content. Okay. So if people have been looking at you, right, and being like, God damn, I wonder what she looks like naked. I wonder what she looks like naked. I wonder what she looks like naked.

I wonder what she looks like naked. Oh, my God, if you're getting all of these likes and hits on a bikini picture or whatever, whatever, then the thirst gets so high because of your celebrity that if you show half a nipple, oh my God, I can't believe I saw the half of nipple of Liz Cambridge or somebody like that. But if you are sort of a non-famous creator, then you probably got to do a little bit more than that. Right. And when I say non-famous, I mean, even if you have a little bit of, like a healthy, if you have a healthy IG following and people have been looking at you in

the bathing suit for long, you probably can just do like regular stuff. But the higher, the lower the celebrity goes, now you might have to really show them something. Now, over time, this line flattens. Sure, sure, sure. This line flattens. Unless you get like what I would call clients, people who pay to press message you privately, who asked for specific. Isn't that what they do? Why are you looking to me like that? Isn't that what happens?

Is this, is it not, I don't know why you're looking at me like that, is it not the understanding that people can pay to talk to you, to get a message from you, to get something particular from you? You know that, Rach.

You know how I really know? Larsa Pippin. What? Real Housewives of Miami. She was talking about it. She's on OnlyFans? Yeah. I didn't know that.

Well, that's how I know. So why are you over here trying to start something? I'm not trying to start anything. I'm just saying I was very specific. Okay, and here's my other question. Just getting all the details. How do you know somebody's not recording it? They probably are.

It's like that's what would give me. Even if I considered it, I would be like, how do they know that somebody isn't taking their phone and recording it, passing your image along? They are. It's everywhere. And then that takes the value away from it.

No, no, no, no, no. But see, I actually disagree with that. I think that if there are, okay, this is the way, there are two types of people that exist. And one type of person doesn't become the other type of person. And the other type of person doesn't become the other type of person. There are two types of people almost in the world. The world can be broken down in two types of people. A type of person that will pay for porn and a type of person that will not pay for porn. a porn payer does it become a non-porn payer because there's certain reasons why you pay.

A person who won't pay would rather have a computer full of viruses than pay one fucking dollar for pornography. Okay. So there are times when if somebody sees the shit that you've done and it's a picture, if they want more, they'll pay for it. Sometimes it's advertising. It's out there. It's free. They'll pay for it. Some people will pay for it even still. I'm looking at some of her stuff.

She says, we don't, you know, I haven't subscribed. So it's all here. But these are the captions to it. Okay. So the captions are, and we'll kind of see if you think that, if you can make any type of judgments about the content. Three hours ago, she posted. It says, did I just catch you staring at my feet?

Okay. Feet posts. Okay. Popular. Popular. and then on May 9th, 2024, this was a long time ago, I don't know how often she's posting, so ready for summer, time to be naughty outdoors. Probably in a bikini.

Probably in the bathing suit. Maybe topless, maybe. Or like a teas of a topless. Yeah, yeah, yeah. May 7th, alone in my room, what to do. Probably in the bed. Could be some masturbatory processes going on in that situation. leads to the imagination.

Leads to the imagination. And on May 5th, 2024, I have another type of cake you can eat too. Okay. Well, we know what that is. But that's probably her just posing with a cake. See?

From the back. I would imagine she's showing some cakes. That's probably her just posing with a cake. I bet you it's not crazy on there. I would think so. But people just want to see Liz Cambage be sexy. How much she goes? How much she goes?

Okay, okay. 1299 months. I bet you there's nothing crazy on there. But look. I get it. I get it. I get the appeal of only fans. What would it take to get Rachel on only fans?

I wouldn't want people to be screenshoting it. Okay. First of all, there are things that you can do to stop that. Are you in the wake of your divorce? Have you considered only fans? No, I haven't considered it. But I understand the appeal. Rich, you could run it up.

You could run it up. You could run it up just for like a month. Legal Eagle? Legal. I just put nothing. We all think. Hi, it's me. Would you like to meet me in my chambers?

I just, oh, I wouldn't do that to my, like, my dad, my parents. What would the judge say? Nothing. He disowned me. No, he wouldn't. The parents get used to it. I don't know.

I just, I understand the appeal. Because they're getting that bread. Yeah, like, I get it. feet picks. So let me ask you. But like, remember how, remember how, isn't that what Carucci's page was?

Carucci's page was. Carucci, because she got a lot of flack for it, but I, but I think it was just like feet picks. Carucci, Tran. She got Only fans. Mm-hmm.

Was we covered it? Oh, we did cover it. But, yeah, but it was just only, it was only feet. Yeah, you're right. I remember that's now. I forgot about it.

But I mean, look, if it's just feet, Rach, if you, if you, Raj, if you was just putting, feet on there. People will go crazy for the, if you, I can't see, come on, man, if I could make, if I could make, if I could even make $5,000 a month with my feet, I would do it. If, if I could even, even if any money just off your feet, that's not even, I would, I would do it if I could hide my identity. Karucci Tran defends selling feet picks, but see that, that goes against the problem. I know, the appeal is, they want, they want.

We'll have to see on this for very long, but I'll say this. I think the hesitancy from a lot of people is more societal than it isn't anything. If you told me right now that Carucci was making a half a million, a million a year for selling pictures of her feet, I just don't... I tell you what I was doing this afternoon. I tell you exactly what I was doing.

People just think it just looks desperate to people so people don't want to do it. And I have cute feet. Carucci 2499 for the feet. Rachel. I got cute feet. Okay. You haven't ruled it out, I don't think. I could.

I just don't know. Hey, on the Reddit, take a vote. Should Rachel start an only feet? Is that a separate thing from only fans? What? Only feet. They call it an only feet if you only show feet on there. But there's people out there that like fucking love feet.

They crazy over feet. It's like a whole psychological thing. There's like a Wikipedia for feet. Yeah, people looking at your feet anyway. Do you? What do you mean Wikipedia for feet? It's like, it's called, oh, WikiFeed. Wiki feet, I've heard that.

Wiki feet, wiki feet. It says, this is Karuchi's thing on her only feet. It says Karuchi's feet and more feet only. She's like, you know, I ain't going to be no ass on this bitch. It's just feet. All right, look at this. I have a five out of five rating. on Wiki feet.

You already knew that. I'm looking it up now. But you just, but you knew it was that way before. I knew there was a Wiki feet. I knew that people thought like you feet because somebody told me about it. Am I on Wiki feet or is it just women?

I don't know. Hold on, let me see. It's like a whole thing. Because, you know, sometimes on red carpets, they just take pictures of your feet. That's so freaked out.

I mean, good, I don't want to say it's freaky because everybody do what they do. But yeah, so look, Liz Cambridge, get it.

Rachel, you know, who knows? Just do fee for a month. Just feed for a month. Think about it. I wouldn't charge $25. What would you charge? Maybe like five.

Nah, nigga. See, you need a... You want to run my only feet? Nah, man, but you need somebody to help you $5 for the feet? That's crackhead fee. You have Wiki feet. Do I? Your name.

It says 3.7 out of 5. You're lying. says, man, Lathan, WikiFeed men. What the fuck? Oh, it's for sure you. Oh. What the fuck is? Did you post this?

I posted that. That's me getting a pedicure. That's you getting a pedicure. You have a... Oh, nigger. Y'all niggas are sick. I got to be honest with you, bro. I got to be honest with you, man.

Y'all niggers are sick and disgusting if y'all are looking at my feet. Well, you're posting. I'm posting it just because I'm not posting it to give people feet content. It's just I'm getting the pedicure. I feel a little violated. I'm not going to bullshit you. Did you just make that up? Show me that again.

How could I have made that up? I don't think that's real. WikiFeed Van Lathen. Let me see what's my rating? You bad now. You're going to go do a foot put 3.7 out of 5. I clicked right here and there you are. How could I make this up?

Charlemagne in that picture too. Is he on there? I didn't even notice him. Yeah. I didn't even notice him. Damn. I'm sure he is. How do you spell it?

Charlamma. Charlema, mine. Charlema man. Chaloma gang. He has a much. All right, that's enough. Well, he's got a lot of foot content. He's 4.5 out of five.

There's no way Charlemagne got better feet than me. He just has more content, more feed content. Oh, yeah, yeah. Look at the way the way it's curled over the... There's no way Charlotte may Everybody go look up your feet cuts The feet cuts You know what, fuck it

Hold on I'm gonna give them I'm gonna give him a show real quick See now it's a competition I'm gonna give him a show Oh my God I'm gonna give him a show real quick Yeah look at that

Yeah I cannot believe you're doing that for free Yeah Yeah for free exactly Ashley Look look I just got the pedicure of my life And that's why I'm not showing my feet Yeah

See I don't want nah I believe in You know I believe in We have no arch I'm flat-footed So I have an arch See like that adds to the appeal

Because you know what the arch is for I Take you thinking caps off We've been took them off We've been Sorry guys We been took them off We took them off

Take your thing caps off But do not stop learning Wiki feet Look at this Up my rating man Look at my shit My shit is Yeah you

Actually, your feet are fine. Yeah. Up my rating. They just see more content. That 3.7, that's not fair to me. Up my rating. Wiki feet. I'm Rachel and Lindsay. Bye guys.