Higher Learning with Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay - The Realities of Climate Change and the Future of Roe v. Wade | Higher Learning | The Ringer

Episode Date: December 14, 2021

Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay react to the devastation left behind by tornadoes in several states and discuss the climate change divide within politics (20:20), Governor Gavin Newsom plans to use Texas's restrictive abortion law as a model for an assault weapon ban (38:59), and the recent crime wave in L.A. has folks moving differently (49:39). Plus, merch sales from Kanye and Drake’s Free Larry Hoover concert won’t go to charity (58:07), and Elon Musk wants to put a chip in you (1:16:36).  Hosts: Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay Producers: Trudy Joseph and Donnie Beacham Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Yo, yo, yo, thought warriors. What is up? Higher learning is on is I, Van Lathen. And it's me, Rachel Lindsay. Sorry, I didn't have my headphones in. Very upsetting. Very upsetting. I just had a conversation with someone who I admire a great deal.

Who do you admire? Alistair, who's right there. You guys remember the saga of Alistair, who was treated as an outcast at his school nobody wanted to sit with alister and now alister's right here she he's with rachel yes he is i'm looking at him right now he's waving he's giving me step curry vibes he loves he loves step curry that's so funny that you say that he said he's giving you look like step curry he said of course i do of course you do that's what i'm talking about alister that's his favorite basketball player he looked up at the screen one day and said he looks like me representation

Does look like him. Representate. See, kids see themselves in different basketball players. You know what I mean? Kids see themselves in stuff and stuff. Okay. So there's been something, there's been a development in the Thought Warrior Nation. Have you heard about this, Rachel?

I've heard inklings of it. There's a new star amongst us here. Which we always know. We always know. I speak for yourself. You know what I mean? Speak for yourself. I never knew that it would go down like.

this, but I got to be honest with you, I'm enjoying the conversation surrounding toxic Trudy. That's not. Trudy is a star. They love her. Yeah. They love Trudy. And I'm here for it. I love it as well. You know why? Because this is the thing. I don't really know what the kids are doing out there on the dating scene. You know, I don't know what's happening on Twinder and Bumble and BL's above or whatever these things are that people are going on and meet people. I don't know what's happening, but Trudy does. Before we get into Trudy, because I got a new question for Trudy that I asked all the women out there. I love these ask women.

We've never done this before. We never had like the Battle of the Sexes here on Higher Learning, which it seems like we would do more of that type of stuff. Well, I feel like we battle it out each podcast, but you're right. We haven't. We haven't dealt with specific topics. And I'm so glad that someone like Trudy can bring that to the forefront because we should be doing more of that here on higher learning.

We should. We definitely should. How was your weekend? My weekend was good. I actually went to Vegas. Are you a fan of the show Yellowstone? Debbie. Yes, I am. Of course I love. Okay, you're in the shot. Just FYI. Brian, say how to

Van. He's talking about how lean you are. Brian, what up? Look how lean he is. You lose lean in the morning. He said he looks to lean in the morning. What is Robin? No, this weekend I went to Vegas to interview the cast for the prequel of Yellowstone 1883. 1883, which I don't watch Yellowstone, but I started 1883 and I got to tell you it's good. Talk to Sam Elliott, Tim McGraw, Faith Hill, Isabel May and LaMonica.

I don't want to say his last name's Garrett. Not quite sure. But fantastic, fantastic. So I was in Vegas for 12 hours doing that, interviewing the guys of a new reality TV show called Finding Magic Mike. And it's all about body positivity. It's not the typical, they don't look like necessarily the Magic Mike Live show or those in the movie. It's just professional men, lawyers, trainers, analysis, whatever it may be.

And they're trying to be the next Magic Mike. And it's about finding yourself, finding your confidence. It's very good. It's very good. be on HBO Max. Yeah, I don't know. You see, there's a lot of and Alistair's right there, so he's going to hear me.

No, no, no, you're on headphones. He can't hear you because headphones. But see, here's the thing about Magic Mike. There's a lot of penis manipulation that has to go on. Well, we didn't get that far. The show doesn't go that far. They dance.

Yeah, they dance, but they have to, like, look, I know what goes on in these strip clubs. By the way, when women go to see men dance, it is 50 times raunchier than when men go to see women dance. That's true. That's true. This is all in face. Python's coming out of underwear.

I've never seen a guy just whip it out at a strip club. That happens. That happens. Now, I have seen that. The girls talk about it. Like, they're talking about the dude. Do the helicopter with it. Put the towel up.

All kinds of stuff. It's weird. They put a sock over it or a towel. Now, I have seen more. at a gay strip club. At a gay strip club. I did see more. Are there specific?

Are there specific? I guess it would be, right? It was a club. It was a club. It was Pride Month. Actually, Kalika was with me. What am I talking about? She was right there with me.

We thought we were going to a party and it turned out to be a whole lot more. A whole lot more. Yeah, it was like a club slash strip. and they and they that i've never seen it that graphic before so these guys oh they had they had it was full on it was a butcher shop meat everywhere and people were touching and that no there were no rules and we were just sit back like this sure like i'm not prude but but that was it was i wasn't expecting it sure you were sure you were just sitting back there yeah whatever but so good for those guys that's not i'm not losing way for that i'm losing way to be a better boxer

Not to be able to swing my chilely all over. Anybody question that. But thank you for clarify that that's not why you want it. I could be a good stripper. I got moves, man. I could be a good stripper. I'm a great dancer. That's great.

I will say that I saw Magic Mike. Which one? And the first one. I didn't need the sequel. I got it the fucking first time. Okay. The first one was enough. So I saw Imagine Mike.

Good movie, by the way. Channing Tatum really spectacular. dancer. Yeah. Did you not see Step Up? Yeah, I saw it, but I don't like movies like that, man. I don't like those.

I don't like, like, everybody's looking back that Save the Last Dance right now and being like those scenes were stupid. No, that's not the same thing. And to be honest with you, I thought Save the Last Dance was stupid when it came out.

I got into a huge argument because we all went to see it and it was like guys and girls. And when she hit those, when she was dancing at the end, I was like, man, you got to fucking be kidding me. She looks terrible.

Julia Stiles, like she's doing, yeah, yeah, exactly. She looks fucking terrible. And then you have, go back and watch that scene from Save the Last Dance. And then you have the guy who also turned up in cruel intentions and then in barbershop. I don't know. I haven't seen them lately. You have the guy looking at her like, oh shit, she's kidding it. She's learned the essence of the streets.

I'm like, what the fuck is this nigga on? It was the hill toe. Remember everybody's like, oh, she hit the hill toe. It's so bad. Channing Tatum, that was a real dancer. There's a difference. There's a-

Yeah, Jenna Dewan. They were great together and stuff. So this Sunday, this Saturday, I had a very profound experience. A friend of mine lost his father. He is Jewish, and I did something called sitting Shiva. Hmm. it's apparently a custom where after a tragedy or someone passes away someone receives people into their homes and you talk about stuff and you comfort people and you get to tell stories about the person who died and stuff like that so it was interesting he had lost his father my friend Lawrence and obviously I lost my father this year so I did that Saturday I'm not going to lie knock me on my ass all the way until Sunday

I just kind of took a weekend off from doing stuff because there was a lot of heavy emotional stuff going on. But I'm back. I'm back in full effect. And I'll tell you why I'm back. Because I have a question for Trudy. All right. Comes back to Trudy.

What do you want now? So don't do that. Trudy, you got to embrace this. The people love you. Yeah. So I asked a question on my Instagram and on my Twitter. Twitter that got people talking.

Okay. This was the question, Trudy. It was men versus women on Instagram and Twitter. That's what it says. The question is, ladies, is vulnerability a desirable trait in a man? And if so, why? Now, when I asked that question, the women were like, yes, yes, of course. the men were like, that's not true.

I can't wait to hear all these women lie because men feel like women. We will tell you something when we're feeling vulnerable. And then when the women get mad, they will then use that fact. Throw it in your face later on when they're upset with you. So I want to ask both of you, ladies, is vulnerability a desirable trait in a mate? And then number two, have you ever taken something that a man has told you when he's vulnerable and thrown it back in his face? Trudy, you go first. Well, I'm going to say emphatically, yes.

Like, nobody wants to date just like a stone cold killer. So, yeah, like, and I've done it. I've dated like a stone cold killer. Like, I really don't care. I'm a good nigga this day and the third. And I have no feelings. And that's what I do. And I'm just not interested because I'm a sensitive soul.

but y'all would never know that but i am um and but would i what i throw it have i ever thrown it in their face i feel like i need an example because i don't want to sit here and lie because i give you an example god gets an argument with his dad right gets an argument with his dad says you know me and my dad we don't really have that much of a relationship because when i was growing up he was never around. All he did was run with women. All he did was go around and date chicks and do all of this stuff and he never really had the time for me.

And sometimes I feel like that connection isn't really there. You're telling you a girl about this. Then something happens and she looks at you and she's like, you know what? You just like your trifling ass daddy. All right? That is because it's probably

you know what I'm saying? That's probably your trifling ass daddy. That's why your daddy was around that fucking all of these holes and stuff and that's why you ain't shit today. And now you feel like you shouldn't have told that because now it's getting thrown back in your face when Mad Day comes, all right? That's what they're talking about. I've seen it happen.

Boy, I tell you what, when my parents, I learned so much about my grandparents from my parents arguing, like so much about my grandparents from my parents arguing. I love you, Mom. But Mom used to look at that and be like, it's because you're a mom. Okay, you know what? I'd be honest with you. Your mama was a hoe. Everybody does this.

Your mama was running around here with time. Your mama was running around time with everyone. Your mama was a hoe. Let's just be honest with you. You said, talk about me. It's your mama. Okay, so I, okay, so I understand the question a little bit better. So one, yes, I crave vulnerability from a man.

But have I ever used something that they told me and, like, reversed it on them? I think, I believe in fighting fair. I do. Like, I know that sounds crazy. but I do believe in fighting fair, so I would never use it and throw it in their face. But please understand when I'm upset, I'm hitting the group chat with my friends.

Like, first off, this New York has me fucked up. And it's because I should have known, he don't even get his mom something for her birthday. So why would I think he would treat me any better? So yes, that has happened. And that's a true story from college. So, like, I hope that that was a real answer.

It is, but don't we all do that? Don't we all in an argument? There are times where you take something that they told you period and you throw it back in their face and I don't think that it means you don't want somebody to be vulnerable I just think it means that when you're upset

and you're angry sometimes you hit below the belt and that's not a that's not gender specific we all do that. I'll be honest with you. It's been my experience that women do that more than me. I'll be honest with it. I'm not going to I like it. But here's the thing, you don't know that.

You don't know it from the other side. Like a dude's not going to do that to you. You don't know. like I'm telling you this and Trudy back me up dudes are so different in relationships than they are with their boys. It's like I will tell like but like so different

like totally different from what you think. So when you say but when you say that's not women do it more than men, it's because you don't know what your boys are out here doing behind closed doors. No, no no. I'm saying is I've witnessed the arguments. You know like so here's the thing.

And I think sometimes it's, I think sometimes it's about what's considered a low blow. Like, and so I would, my parents would argue and my dad would say something to my mom that I think he didn't think was a low blow, right? I think he'd say something to her like, he, but it would be a question of her character that she would take as a low blow. And then she would turn around and like take the most painful shot of him that she could. We're better at it. Mama and soldier. Yeah. We're better at it.

We're 100% better. But I will say, man, y'all is trifling because when, you know, you're going back and forth. Oh, matter of fact, perfect example. You could be out of a store or something and you're managed to being a little bit too friendly, you get in the car, G-check them about it a little bit. Nothing to cause a whole big fight, but just enough to, you know, let you know that you're irritated.

Then, you know, you might be in a fight a couple weeks later and he'll look at you and be like, okay, well, you're insecure. That's that shit, because you know what the buttons are. And I think that that's what men do. There are hot button words insecure being one of them, that when you throw it at a woman, that is, that's like a real jazz. And then all bets are off, and I might call your mama a hug.

Oh, truly. So let's stay there. So let's stay there. Isn't there in this situation that you just laid out, what's too friendly? Because if there is something to be said that if you are perceiving something that's actually not too friendly as too friendly, then there might actually be a little insecurity there.

And talking about the insecurity might not necessarily be the worst thing in the world. Like, if I'm like, if, if I'm in a situation where the insecurity is causing an issue in a relationship, I think it's healthy to be like, yo, this is actually not me. This is you. I don't think that I'm really doing anything wrong. Like if I was with a girl one time and I was leaving out of a of a 7-Eleven and I held the door open for some for the woman to walk into the 7-Eleven. I smile. How are you doing?

It's like, just let you know you'll need to be holding the door open. That's ridiculous. That's ridiculous. I understand. I'm not saying, but there are levels to this. In that situation, in that situation, I have to be like, yo, hey, man. Seriously? Yeah.

Because, like, you have to be able to talk about that. Like you can't, you can't be that touched by shit. That's 100% accurate. And there are levels to it. But I think that a lot of times there's like a specific person that maybe the woman know, your woman knows that, you know, this girl likes you or whatever the case is. And she's doing the most to constantly get your attention, constantly get a reaction, all that. So if I put you up on game about a home girl already and then you feed into it because it just feed your ego.

And I mean, everybody has an ego. And I get in the car and just like it. tell you about it, don't do that shit again. And then you, you later, like a month later we're fighting and you just out of the blue call me insecure. No, now we're fighting. Now it's fistica. Right. For sure.

Right. Fistic. Truly. Okay, before we get off this, I just want to make, I want to ask you one last question. Do you want to walk back in any way? Don't do it, Trudy. Your statements about hairlines, your statement is the talk of our thought warriors was whether or not trudy is toxic

whether or not trudy has a point you took over the entire subreddit the subreddit is popping right now it's all do you trudy do you want it in any way oh look right now the latest question on the subreddit i just pulled it up give calls cards on dates. Hell no. This woman has a, hold on, this woman has a, I want to read this story. Give cards on dates. Hell no. A man brought me to a restaurant, he suggested where his sister gave him a gift card two months in the past. I felt like he was cheap as hell and he let me pay for drinks before he was saying he was using the gift card at the end of dinner. Never spoke to his ass again. It's cheap and weird that you take someone to a place just because you have a gift card.

You all are so weird about this gift card thing. Some people may view it as financially savvy. Some people may view it as you being cheap. Either way, it's probably not going to be the thing that makes her breaks a first date. I asked my wife about this. She doesn't have a problem with it. I don't know why it's looked down. Look at how crazy people are going back and forth.

And this guy says, top left four or four says, man, I'm so glad I only do situations. This guy says the gift card thing is dumb and immature. Sure. You know. I love it. I love it. But Trudy, are you going to answer the question? Is there anything you want to walk back?

I'm really happy that we started a dialogue. I think it's important because what do we do here? We learn. But in the words of Ms. Nini Leaks, I said what I said. Yes, you did, Trudy. Yes, you did. I love it. I love it.

And I think this should be a weekly thing where we talk about it. Because like Van and Van said at the beginning, we're not in that world anymore, but a lot of people are. And a lot of people have questions. And a lot of, and Trudy, a lot of people agree with you. Let that be, a lot of people think that you're spot on. Period. And they know. Shout out to the Trudy Warriors.

Trudy Wars. No, no, no. You can't go take over the name now, Judy. That's enough. That's enough. No, no, no. She's got, she got Trudy's strong. I'll make it.

Trudy's, Trudy's. Trudy, Trudy. Trudy's troddy's trot. Trudy's trots. All right. I, you know, I think that there's, but you admitted that you're toxic, right? You said you admitted before we got on. Yeah, God's not done with me yet, for sure.

Yeah. It's not done with any of us. All right, Trudy, thank you. We're going to take a break. First of all, we're going to start by acknowledging that there was a horrible, horrible environmental tragedy that happened. Environmental disaster, natural disaster, shall I say that happened the last couple of days. the last couple of days.

Tornadoes ripped through parts of the mid-south and Midwest and have killed up to 64 people. I think the number is right now. I think the states involved here, I know that Kentucky was particularly hard hit, but the disaster lasted hours and traveled more than 200 miles at 50 miles. an hour, just a wave of tornadoes. It's a terrible thing. Now, the FEMA chief has said that this is a new normal, that natural disasters of this magnitude is something that we should be prepared for and something that we should almost learn to live

with because of the climate crisis that we are facing in the world. Deanne Chriswell told Jake Tapper this And that to me is one of the most chilling things I've ever heard I grew up in Louisiana and there was tornado watches and warnings all the time But this was different this was aggressive destructive Sustained natural chaos You see stuff like this you hear stuff like this obviously I survived Hurricane Katrina obviously there are other things.

What do you feel like it's going to take for people to take climate change as seriously as it needs to be taken? Well, it's like anything, it's got to affect you. It's got to be close to you. And I think before when you hear about climate change and the climate crisis and all of that, you think of it as far away. You think about Antarctica. You think about, you know, what's happening in Amazon.

And you don't, you don't, it's not real to you. But if you think about it growing up and we both lived, I lived in the tornado alley. I'm not sure if it stretches to Louisiana. I don't believe it does. It does. Not like that. But tornado season was April to November. And we're in December.

And I remember a few years ago, a tornado hit in Dallas right outside of Dallas the day after Christmas, 10 people died. Tornado went right over the freeway. And it's instances like that where you're like what we've, what has been the normal, what we've been accustomed to isn't the reality anymore. And because of what's happening to the climate, it can happen at any moment. It's very, and it's unpredictable. And I think that's also the takeaway from this. So I think to answer your question, it's got to affect us. It's got to be personal to us for us to realize.

And we have to talk about it, right? We can't just say, oh, a tornado swept through six different states and killed almost 70 people and it's estimated to go to 100. You have to talk about the reason as to why that's happening. so people can correlate the two and understand that there's a real issue here. And I think that we don't do that sometimes. We just talk about there being a tragedy, you know, in regards to the weather, but don't necessarily correlate it to the climate crisis.

So I'm glad that we're having this discussion. I mean, my heart goes out to everybody that's been impacted by this and they're still going through it. And it's such a tragedy. But we also have to correlate it to what's happening in our environment because this is, it's not going to stop. So it's interesting because I once had a conversation with a friend of mine, conservative guy, cool guy, conservative guy. And we were talking about climate change.

We were talking about climate change. We were talking about sort of what needs to be done. And I said, don't you feel the need to preserve the earth for humans that might be here a thousand years from now? He said, I don't care about humans. They're going to be here a thousand years from now. I couldn't care less about that. I care about the economy and the happenings on the earth now within my lifetime. Don't care about it.

6,000 years, 1,000 years, 100 years. The question now is, do you care about it five years from now? because I think that we're starting to see if you're paying attention the the results of climate change hit the world in real time and I'm wondering if people are

actually prepared like there's a lot of stuff so I read something a couple of years ago that talked about the fact that we're going to look up one day and Key West is going to be gone Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

You know? And it's happening. It's happening before our very eyes. Miami. And Miami, yeah. Look at the building that collapsed. They say, I mean, they say there's, Miami is going to be underwater. South Beach, South Beach, I should say, South Beach.

So the question then becomes, what can you do about it? And it's very, very clear. We talk about the difference between the left and the right. And you guys, as you know, I'm not a Democrat. I'm not a Democrat because I don't, I'll explain this right now. I'm not Democrat because I don't agree with or subscribe to the inner workings of any particular political party. I think a lot of it is just fluff that has nothing to do with actually governing and making people's lives different.

So I don't want to identify with a party that I don't like the way. It's a party I don't want to be invited to. I don't want to go to the party. Okay. But I am a liberal. And this is one of the reasons why. there's a clear cut line in the sand between one particular brand of political thought that takes climate change into consideration when it makes policy

and another specific brand of political thought that acts like it's a hoax and puts fossil fuels coal besides you, Senator Mansion, and other things along those lines ahead of what we're doing to our planet. There's actually no subtlety about this. There is one part of political thought that believes climate change is real and that we need to do something about it. Now, how aggressively we try to mitigate what's happening is up for debate and some people are strong on it and some people are weaker on it.

But there's in most cases another part of American political life that thinks that none of what's happening is real. And you should consider that when you head out to the polls. And this, when people ask, well, what's the difference between Democrats and Republicans? What's the difference between the left and the right? They're all the same. I understand what you mean is they all act the same. You know, they all might have the same rhythms of speech. you might not be able to tell the difference just looking at them.

But if you start talking, there is a difference. And this is one of the differences. So if somebody ever asked you, well, Democrats or Republicans, they're all the same. Yeah, they're all, white supremacy has its clause in either side and all of that stuff. But there are differences. And this issue right here is a huge gigantic difference. You know, I completely agree with you. And I also just wonder, too, if it's interesting with the guy that you had to be.

the conversation with. A thousand years, he said he didn't care. Did you ask him if he cared about five years or 10 years? I told him it wasn't going to be a thousand years. Because I'm curious as to what their response would be then. Because I wonder if some of it is just the people think because they're uneducated on it, oh, that's a thousand years away or that's, you know, geographically so far away from where I am, which it's not. So how do we bring to the forefront to people, hey, this is a reality that can happen in your lifetime and then educate them on and this is the the steps that you could do in your community or you know within your everyday life to help fix this problem because I think a lot of people put it out of their minds because they're just they don't care to know

because they don't see it as imminent you know what I mean there's a movie that's coming out right now don't look up that's literally about climate change have you seen have you heard of it but it deals with the comet. I haven't watched it. I don't even think it's out yet. But I think that's to educate people about what's going on. But how do we make it imminent for people? Don't think you can. And I'll tell you why. I think this is a part of the problem in dealing with the post-fax society, which is definitely what we're living in now. So we're living in the post-fax society. We're living in a society where the framing of the argument means more than the actual meat of it, right? It means more who's talking to you than what they're talking to you about.

There's consensus on climate change. There are scientific consensus on climate change. As much of a consensus as you can have scientifically, right? These are things, these are alarms that have been sounded long ago. that people should be, these are alarms that have been sounded long ago that people should be taken as fucking seriously as they're taking anything else.

But there are interests that are getting in the way of that. And there's money that's getting in the way of that. There's economic concerns that are getting in the way of that. And which they don't normally, they don't necessarily have to, but they are. Right. And so because of that, this is not an argument that's normally had in good.

faith. Like, is my point. This is not an argument that's normally had with people who really want to find solutions. They want to be right. So I don't know what you have to do. But one thing that, one way you can make your voice heard is at the ballot box. Yeah. If you care about the people that died in this unspeakable environmental disaster,

then make sure you think about them when you're voting for people. people who might do something to try to undo this even if we can. I'm not up on the science. I don't know how far along we are. I don't know what we're going to do now that's going to stop this from happening next year, the year after or whatever. So, you know, who knows? Who knows?

But definitely there's a political issue behind this, but the biggest issue is definitely hearts go out, thoughts and prayers go out to the family of the people who passed away in this. just scary, scary, scary situation. Okay, back to Texas. Chief Justice John Roberts has warned the Supreme Court over the Texas abortion law. In a strongly worded opinion joined by the High Court's three liberal justice, Roberts wrote that the clear purpose and actual effect of the Texas law was to nullify this court's ruling.

that he said, undermines the Constitution and the fundamental role of the Supreme Court and the court system as a whole. All right. This was a remarkable plea by the Chief Justice to his colleagues on the court to resist the efforts of right-wing lawmakers to get around the court's decisions that they dislike. In this case, we're talking about real versus weight. Now, does this give you any hope? Because I got to be honest with you. I believe that Roe versus Wade is currently on life support. Yeah.

I think they're going to do it. I'll be honest with you. I think they're going to do it. This coming from Chief Justice Roberts, does this give you any hope that the Supreme Court might actually decide, find themselves, find their humanity, find their sense of duty, and decide to not take away women's reproductive rights. No, because if that's the case,

they would have go ahead and granted the injunction to stop this law from currently taking place. But this is turning for the Chief Justice now. That doesn't mean anything. It's still got to be a majority vote. He doesn't get extra points just because he has the title. That's long gone out the window. It's a conservative court at this point,

which was what we feared would happen when they appointed, oh gosh, what's her name? I can't, Comey, Comey, whatever her name is. Sorry, excuse me, I'm not trying to be disrespectful. I just can't remember her name. Amy. Amy Coney Barrett. Thank you.

This is what we feared would happen. And it's happening. And yes, he holds the title and there's the whole article about like, does it even mean anything? Has he lost the power? You know, like they don't defer to his opinion by any means. He's dissenting in this decision. And he's making it.

He's putting his opinion out there, but they're not changing the way they think about it, and they're not ruling on. I mean, they haven't made a decision. They haven't overturned or overruled Roe v. Wade. They haven't modified it. It's more as if they're punting it back to federal courts and allowing this to stay in place. And when I say federal, I mean the lower courts, to stay in place and are saying, oh, yeah, providers they consume.

But they're not making a decision on it. And I think that they're avoiding having to make it, but the time is going to come where they're going to have to make a decision on it. And I think based on how they decided here, by still keeping that law in place, they're pretty much telling you that without overruling Roe v. Wade. Because this law, as it stands,

contradicts Roe v. Wade. And they're allowing it to stay in place. I start to think, you know, like, you don't watch comics. You don't read comics or watch comic book movies, right? No. You don't. No, you don't.

You don't even, who is Superman? Do you know who that is? Come on now. Yeah. Who's Superman's a girlfriend? Well, this slang. We've talked about this. We've talked about this.

We've talked about it. Okay. Sometimes you, this is why heroes are necessary in the comic books, right? Because the schemes by the villains are just too good sometimes. Sometimes Lex cooks up a scheme and you're like, God damn, Lex. Like, you're like, shit. how in the world like would we beat this if we didn't have Superman?

Like if we didn't have a hero that could do anything, was invulnerable and could like, like how would we beat this guy? We're getting to that point. We're getting to the point to where I look at the Texas abortion law and I'm like, it is so unbelievably devious.

It is so thought through with ill intent. How do you win against it? And who is going to stand in the gap between the people that have dedicated so much time and energy? It's really an evil law when you think about it, right? Absolutely. It's an evil law that turns citizen against citizen. is an evil law for its intent in trying to take away women's reproductive rights. But I said this before with the, like, there needs to be, like, I don't think that we're being,

I think that one side is playing a very direct high stakes game. And the other one is playing politics as usual. And I don't know if the bill, if the alarm has been sounded here. So I looked at this from Chief Justice Roberts. And I thought to myself, huh, that's actually a positive that he's telling them that this is what they're trying to do. They're trying to usurp and undermine the authority of the Supreme Court. But at the same time, they know that's what they're trying to do.

When I say they, I mean, the creators of the law know particularly that that's what they're trying to do. And in my opinion, you'd have to be a moron to be a member of the Supreme Court and not know that that's definitely what they were trying to do as well. But they do know that. I know. So I'm trying to figure out, like, if this is all just bluster. Well, it is. Because if you were upholding the law, then you, the law, Roe v. Wade says this is illegal.

So then what are you standing on? You're not. They're punting it back. They don't want to make. They're just, they're just, it's the inevitable. If this is, if you're not going to make a decision or you're not going to modify things as the way that they are and you're just going to keep punting it back.

If it punts back to the federal courts, there's going to be a case that takes it back to the Supreme Court eventually. Now, granted, they can choose not to hear it and they can keep playing that game. But if they don't want to say it contradicts the law, which they easily could, then aren't they pretty much saying

exactly what it is that they feel without having to do it? That's why I say with the court as it stands, it's inevitable of where things are heading when it comes to abortion rights. And let it be known, you guys, that Alabama, Florida, I think Arkansas, and there's another state that have already proposed the same bill in their states

that Texas has. Interesting development, California assault weapons. Gavin Newsom on Saturday has actually taken a page out of the Texas voters, Texas abortion laws, playbook, and has promised to empower private citizens to enforce a ban

on the manufacturer and sale of assault weapons in the state. He is going to do what he thinks is going to be a Texas abortion law style initiative against assault weapons.

California has banned the manufacturing sale of a bunch of assault weapons. It's been that way for a very a long long time. A federal judge overturned that ban in June saying it was unconstitutional and drawing the ire of the state's democratic leaders. What Gavin Newsom wants to do now is have a situation to where private citizens can then do the same thing that the Texas abortion law does, but in this case with assault weapons, states can now shield their laws from review

about the federal courts that compare assault weapons to Swiss Army-inized and California will use that authority to protect people's lives where Texas used it to put women in harm's way. Newsom said in a statement released by his office 7 p.m. on Saturday. This is the worst fucking idea I've heard of in a long, long, long time. Okay, number one, I'm not a fan of the assault weapon. I am a gun owner, right? I'm not a fan of the assault weapon.

Everybody, the big situation is whether or not you need an AR-15, whether or not you should be able to have an AR-15. It doesn't stop there. I hope that people understand that we talk about the AR-15, but there are things beyond the AR-15 that are lawful. Grenades are lawful. You can lawfully own grenades. Grenade launchers are lawful.

These are lawful weapons in places you can have a grenade launcher. It's like not illegal to have it. You know what I mean? But I think that this, creates a direct conflict between people who may have assault weapons and people who might not have them. And I think you have to take into consideration the psyche of somebody who might have 25 or 10 or 4 AR-15s. And what this, what a situation would look like in this in the provocation of people like that. and is that a road that we want to go down?

What are you trying to say that it's going to cause them to use those weapons? Maybe. By suing them? Because that's the thing. They can sue them. So they take them to court and they would sue them and get up to $10,000 for suing them for manufacturing, distributing or selling assault weapons or ghost guns. I think that in this situation, there's a public safety issue here.

Because I don't, I think people that are on this issue, a lot of these people are not just one issue voters when you talk about the two A people. They're one issue thinkers. Okay. They believe all of their American freedoms emanate from the Second Amendment. Okay. And they believe that there will be war declared, basically. if in any way the Second Amendment, which they tie to the be able to own

as many guns as you want, wherever you want, as many assault rifles, assault-style rifles as you want, they tie that to that very directly. And I think it's, I think it's actually unsafe to have private citizens antagonize these people.

By filing a lawsuit? So here's the thing. I don't think that you should have to live in the fear of these people who decide to take the law into their own hands with their guns. feel that that's being threatened because you're not asking to take all their guns away. You're asking for assault weapons. And I get what you're saying.

Those people who might possess multiple types have a certain mindset and they have a reason for doing it. But does that mean that we then just bow down to that because they are equipped with these type of weapons? I don't necessarily agree with that. But I actually love what Gavin Newsom is doing. I love it because I do think it shows how stupid the law is in Texas. And I do think it shows that it is a slippery slope. And if you're not going to rule on that and you're going to keep that law in place and you're going to put that in the hands of citizens,

then he's doing exactly what you've asked the Democrats to do constantly on this podcast. And that is stop being political, stop playing by the rules. He's fighting fire with fire. Oh, okay, that's how y'all want to do it. Y'all want to harm women and you want to take away their right and their choice and what they can do with their bodies. bet we're going to apply that same logic to what I'm trying to accomplish in this in my state to say to to to save people from people who are illegally many of holding a certain type of gun or manufacturing guns that are illegal like the ghost guns that he refers to I love it I love it so I don't so I don't think it's the same thing number one I'm not asking I'm not asking to deputize I don't believe on this I don't believe in deputizing private citizens to go out there and maintain I don't either horrible thing for society.

But I said it was stupid. And I think what he's saying is this is stupid. But if you're going to use it, then we're going to do the same thing over here. Yeah, but that's not going to affect what's going on in Texas. That's how I make them stop. But it might make the Supreme Court make decisions where they should. Do you see what I'm saying? I don't, I don't know if it will. To be honest with you, I think, I think that certain things is just bad for society. And normalizing and having a society where people are looking over their neighbors, fence, and then bradding them out. And I think it invites a specific, I think, right. And I don't think that I think fundamentally I'm against it, period, whether my side is

using it or whether their side is using it, whether people who I agree with politically are using it or people who I disagree with politically are using it. I think that's horrible for America. I do too. And I also think it's particularly bad. I know a lot of two-A advocates and two-A people, I'm telling you, I don't think this is a good idea. It's not a good. None of it's a good idea. You're creating vigilantes. That's what I'm saying. I'm saying I like it because I think what you're the Supreme Court is not stepping in. You talk about superheroes. You talk about people who have the power to do something. They're not doing it. They're not utilizing it. So what he's saying is you're allowing you to stay in place. I think if what he does gets passed and it becomes implemented and you start to see other people give citizens the power to have something that's to have something that. they should not have. It's a power they should not have. I agree with you on that. Then maybe the

people who do have power can put a stop to it and actually do their job. That's what I'm saying. It's more of like, I don't agree with it. I hate them both. But I'm just saying it's maybe it'll get to the point level of gain some attention to where people actually have to step up and do something, the people who have the power to. I remember I was watching a view one time and this was a Megan McCain, double M M M squared, M, the hit a killer, was still on there. And she was talking about the fact that if they ever did an AR-15 buyback program or an AR-15 takeaway program, if the gun was illegal, that the cops would have to go down there and get the gun from her brother and, you know, Arizona, and they're going to have a hell

of a time getting the gun. And I was thinking to myself, well, what is the brother going to do? Is the brother going to sit there and bang it out with the police? That sounds like she's saying. That's exactly what it sounds like she's saying. And I'm telling you, a lot of people that stockpiled these weapons, a lot of them are just people who there, of course, I don't want to mean to pay all gun owners with one brush.

Like, because I'm a gun owner. I own multiple guns. But there are people who are stockpiling weapons believing that the day is coming where they're going to have to use them. Okay. I know what you're saying. but this law, but this law,

if it goes forward, also doesn't require you to peep over your, your neighbor's fence. What it says is you file a lawsuit saying, I believe that this is happening, right? All right.

And, and what, so what you're basically saying is they're going to come to court. They're going to come to court or they're going to come to court. Not they're going to, after they know who it's about,

they're going to be like, you're this is a big deal. I'm telling you, it's a weird thing. No, I'm not, I just, I understand the real. reason that they're trying to make this go down.

And that's what I'm saying I get. And you talk about stop playing by the rules, fight fire with fire. And it's like, that's exactly what he's doing. That's exactly what he's doing. Yeah, but at the, I think at the detriment, I think. But we can agree with the street. So I'm looking at, I'm looking at a list of weapons who are actually legal. Flamethrower, legal.

Flame thrower, legal. Okay. Legal in California. You can get a license for a flamethrower. The grenade launcher is. It's not legal in California. It's legal in other places, though. An umbrella sword.

What is that? You've never seen an umbrella sword where you got the umbrella, but the cane is actually a sword? Shit, I'm going to get one of them bitches. The way shit going on in California? Like, I'm going to get me an umbrella sword. People will be like, man, it's fucking, it's sunny outside.

Like, why do you have an umbrella sword? Well, these guys got fucking choppers, though. They got guns. You can get an umbrella sword for, you house. And of course, the grenade launcher, you know, we talked about it, katana blade, all of those things. Crossbow. I think a crossbow should be legal.

Crossbow is like not, it's not that big of a crossbow. Yeah. A cannon is legal. I'm sorry, what? You can own a cannon. Yeah. Cannon shells are destructive

advices. They can be registered with the ATF and you can still have them. The cannon. All right. Speaking of that, have you started to move different in L.A. Because they're saying that it's like the purge on the streets. I don't know if you guys saw this, but. Yeah, Brian was listening to something that terrified me.

Like some police talking, something. Yeah, cops went on the thing and said that L.A. that is basically the purge now with the way people are getting robbed and shit. Have you started to move different in L.A. at all? Yes. And I don't want to talk about how because I'm not going to talk about how. This is the thing And I want to have a heart to heart moment

With The Thought Warriors Okay I was leaving out of the I don't want to turn racist You know I'm glad I don't want to be racist

I don't want to profile Okay But this person shit in LA is fucking with me. I was leaving out of the house because all of these dudes when you see them in these videos

they look the same. They look thin. They got like a little bubble jacket on. They got the mask over their face which is supposedly for COVID but really it's so they could purge. And then they got a hood on, right? Like a hoodie on.

They look the same. They're wearing some Adidas, wind pants. They're skinny. Okay. There's nobody right now that's any of these videos as Robin that I think has been over 200 pounds. These are little dudes going out there purging.

So I'm leaving the goddamn house. And I see a dude. He's standing right there. He's inside of the building. He's got... He's inside your building. He's inside the building. He's got the hood on.

He's got the mask over his face. And I'm like, whoa. A little back I go, yo, chill out. Y, y'all don't walk. real quick. Say, baby, don't walk. Don't walk. Hold on.

Let me check this out real quick. I go around the corner. I look at him. He's like, yo, man, do you know where the stairs are? And what I wanted to say is, what I wanted to say was what are you doing in here? I really wanted to do that. And then I caught myself. I'm like, nah, man, no.

I can't. I'm like, the stairs are right here, young brother. And then he picked up some food. He was from Uber Eats. And then he was walking up the stairs to go up the thing. I'm telling you, man, I see groups of young kids walking together and I think in my mind, man, frisk them.

Somebody frisk him. He was black? He was black. And you're black. So imagine what non-black people say when they see that. Now, I understand, but this is why. Like the purge, I just got this brand new chain, right? It was a great chain.

I say it was because I'm not wearing that bitch. It's got Harriet Tubman on it. you know it's nice chain shout out to my man i'm and tommy he made me a custom piece harry tubman chain it was expensive i don't wear my chain around here no more man and you i don't even wear my engagement ring yeah that's a big prize right there that's a prize because that mhmus you know what i mean abc pay for that abc pay for that they did or nz k or nzk or nzk Maybe the production company. Whatever was the show pay.

Whoa. That was a joke. Is that real? They bought your engagement ring? Everybody knows that. Fucking for true. Yes. And if you stay together longer than two years, you get to keep it.

So like if, let's just say if we, if like a lot of couples don't make it. So if they hit two and a half years, the woman gets to keep the ring. Wait a minute. Wouldn't everybody just, how much is the ring worth? After talking about the purge. I'm not comfortable talking about all that. That's crazy. I didn't know that they actually bought the ring.

That's nuts. Very nice ring. But how are you moving different during the purge? I would like to not talk about how I strategically move different on the podcast. I'm doing it. That's great. Go ahead. You also like to tell people where you live, which I'm not about that life either.

I'll tell you how I'm moving different than purge. Number one, absolutely zero jewelry. being worn. Okay. Okay. Number two, I don't stand outside and talk to you no more. Okay, never did. Hey, hey, you pulled me up. Hey, aren't you to, hey, man, it used to be, aren't you the guy from TMZ?

The purge has made me less friendly. Because I used to, hey, man, you van from TMZ, blah, blah, blah, yeah, man, come over here. Let's talk about it. Oh, wow. I used to always talk to people not talking to them anymore. These are my three rules for the purge. Number one, no more friendly shit. I'm not talking to you no more.

You know me from the show. You see me from the show. You like what I do. Say it from across the street. I'm not coming near you so you can rob the fuck out of me. Okay. Number two, I specifically, specifically will not walk in certain neighborhoods in Beverly Hills at night. Because Beverly Hills is where it's going down.

I don't walk at night at all. I used to love walking. at night. And I'm not, don't anybody jump on me about the gender stuff, but I'm just saying, I think there's is different with men and women and as a woman I would not walk, I don't walk hopper in night. I don't do that. Yeah. I just don't.

Yeah, I used to love a good night walk, but that's not happening. Yep. Number three, like Kanye said back in the day, no more parties in L.A. I'm not going to any parties. I'm not hanging out in any places to the purge is over. Is that why you didn't come to Brian's opening?

No, I didn't think I would get purged there. I forgot about it. Brian's opening was good. I saw that Eric Bigger was there. Oh, yeah, I forgot. Y'all know each other. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I saw that Eric Bigger was there,

but y'all could have got purged. Well, here's the thing. I told Brian, I said, you opened this up to the public. I was like, do you have security? So there was definite, so, like, security was hired, paid for extra parking so people could park their cars in a gate with an attendant. So, like, there was security there. I was like, you opened it up.

Honestly, it was a perfect opportunity for people to get robbed. Yeah, yeah. So it had to be security. It's by the way, people think that it's being a big deal made about this. Nah, man, it's real out here. It's real about here. Last question I'll ask you regarding the purge. Does the purge make you rethink your views on police budgets?

I had a conservative friend of mine that called me up. and was like, hey, you guys wanted to slash police budgets, less police on the streets, less police doing their thing, and now look, you're in the middle of the purge in Los Angeles. No, because I don't think that's what it was about. When you talk about police budgets, it's not to remove police off the streets, is to have the proper person going to the proper situation. So someone who is trained, you know, to handle a high-intense situation with someone with a mental disability or having an episode doesn't necessarily need a police officer to draw guns on them.

So it's the appropriate person for the appropriate incident. I've never said remove police to have less police. I've never said that. It's just more of make sure the person is properly trained to handle that situation rather than the first thing be, I'm just going to whip out my guns. Like, understand that a situation is heightened. understand the situation is sensitive. I say that there needs to be a budget for training,

not necessarily removal. So I don't agree with that. Because I've also heard people talk about the bail system in California as something that's an issue. Like that's not, no, I'm not going to sit here and say that means necessarily like the defund the police shouldn't be an issue. No. I'm not going to do that.

I am though. It is, we're on guard out here in L.A. purge-wise. We are. It's true. Y'all be careful. Y'all be careful. Because y'all be careful, it's not a game. Did you attend the Larry Hoover concert for Kanye West?

Brian's event. Brian's event was that night. So the answer is no. But even if it had not been, you wouldn't have called me there. Kanye and Drake had a de facto versus, which is what it was. The L.A. Coliseum last Thursday night. They were selling merch.

This was to benefit freeing Larry Hoover. Did you go? No. If you guys did, if you guys do not know who Larry Hoover is, Larry Hoover is, how do I explain who Larry Hoover is? Who he is or who he was?

Good question. Because I think you have to do both. Because who he is now is not who he was, which is the whole issue as to why he should be where he currently is right now. Larry Hoover, as I understand it right now, is serving time at ADX Supermax. You guys know what that is.

That is basically a fucking superhero prison in Colorado. He is imprisoned in Florence, Colorado. It's Supermax. You ever go see one of those movies, like if you watch like Captain America, a Winter Soldier or Civil War, the fucking raft. Oh, jeez. It's where they put, like, I'll tell you some other people

who are in Super Max, but whatever. He's serving six-life sentences for a bunch of different things. Now, he, his, he began one of the most notorious street gangs in Chicago. Okay. What happened subsequently after he began that, though, was that Larry Hoover instituted rules, regulations, and parameters in these organizations in Chicago that many believe are needed to keep the streets of Chicago. safe.

There's no getting around the fact that he started the gang. Correct. There's no getting around the fact that a lot of heinous stuff came from the starting of the game. But there are a lot of people who believe that if Larry Hoover was free right now, were free right now, that Chicago would be in a better situation. I don't know anything about that. What I do know is that they're never letting Larry Hoover out of jail. And it should be known that he has been in jail since, what, 1973?

Is that correct? 173 1970 Yeah Yeah Yeah 173 I sincerely

I sincerely I sincerely In my mind That they ever let Larry Hoover out They're not going to let Larry Hoover out I think that the fans are even shocked That they're letting Larry Hoover out Does that mean that he shouldn't be let out

I actually don't know enough about it to know whether or not he should or whether or not he shouldn't Larry Hoover's son wanted to come on the podcast. What? Why didn't we let him? I think we still will. Okay. My man, Amir hit me up and shout out to Amir

and said that Larry Hoover's son wanted to come on the podcast. I think it's interesting to bring Larry Hoover's son on the podcast. The only thing I didn't want to do, they want their father out of jail. They want their husband out of jail, Larry Hoover's wife. I don't want to put them in a situation to where, something happens that stops them from being able to achieve the goal.

I know one of the attorneys on the case. So if we want to bring him on as well, you know what I mean, to like monitor the situation to make sure that there's no jeopardizing or anything like that, we can do that. Yeah. Well, because the reality is, if I'm being honest, I don't know if they should lay Larry Hoover out. Really, the way I feel about people in prison is fucking let them all out.

I don't really know. You know what I mean? I don't like, I don't like seeing people be in jail, but based upon I haven't really heard the case for why Larry Hoover should be let out of jail, let out of prison. And so I'd be interested to know. So maybe we should bring both on.

Both on. For sure. But anyway, Kanye West is real cool with a man named, Kanye West is real cool with a man named Jay Prince. Of course you guys know who Jay Prince is, hip hop titan, the Titan in the community, founder of rapper a lot of records. and Drake is also

Real cool I think Jay like I say real cool Drake got his start under Jay and Jazz Prince Correct That's a big part of that situation And so they They had this concert In the concert

We're selling some expensive shit A pullover hoodie Hoodie $200 baseball team $160 a jumpsuit $360 Jeans and various washes $400 and a hat for $60 A majority of the fits

were presented in a light blue color with free Hoover on them. There's been a report in GQ that the profits from this merch will not be designated for charity. It says here. While proceeds from the ticket sales for the concert will reportedly benefit a number of criminal justice reform groups, profits from the merch sales are not being earmarked for charity, a rep confirmed to GQ. It's worth noting that the concert came with an estimated budget of $10 million, which covered production, cost, stage, construction, if it's staff, security, and more. Cranier-West partner with Amazon music for this.

Is this tacky that the merge sales are not going to any type of criminal reform shares? Well, who's it going to? They don't particularly say. Okay. If it's going to somebody else that's going to help, like in some way helping those in the criminal justice system, or like Larry Hoover's people or something like that, fine. But if it's going back to them or, you know, to the people who created the merchandise, and this takes away from what this entire concert was supposed to be.

In my opinion, this concert wasn't supposed to be a moneymaker. This concert was supposed to bring awareness to Larry Hoover to what's happening particularly to him, but then also what's just happening in general with the criminal justice system. So if profits were being made, they didn't need to sell merch. I mean, I guess people walking around with the free list. Larry Hoover sweatshirt could bring awareness to, hey, who's Larry Hoover and get maybe people involved in what's going on. But it wasn't necessarily necessary. I'm pretty sure jeans in four different colors isn't helping bringing awareness to the criminal justice system. So it's not necessarily that there was a need for selling merchandise.

So, yeah, I got an issue with it if you're making profit off a concert that's supposed to be a benefit and with a purpose. I don't understand the purpose of the concert anyway, to be honest. And Larry Hoover's son himself was on record saying he had concerns about this. concert for his father. So it looks a little shady to me. Doesn't look necessarily shady. It does depending on who it went to. Well, who's the money going to?

Why you got four jeans and four different colors? It looks tacky to me. It looks a little tacky to me. But Kanye West, he escapes all of this criticism. Yays says that he's for the people. He's four the little guys. He hates classism. but then he'll sell you jeans for $400.

Like, come on. $400. You know what? We will dive into the Larry Hoover issue here on higher learning. I think it's interesting. I just reached out to Amir. We will dive into this issue. We'll dive into it because we'll discuss what a legacy means

that might have started it in one way, it ended up in another way. We've seen this before, Stanley Tuki Johnson. We've seen guys who, and I believe Larry Hoover's conversion, and Larry Hoover's look at what he created and Chicago happened even before he went to jail. He looked around and saw, before he went to prison,

he looked around and saw that maybe things were getting out of control and he tried to do better for his community. I'm not as up on the story. I have questions and who better to ask these questions to than Larry Hoover, Jr. So I would definitely, definitely like to have them on the podcast. I don't know. I didn't think you want to have that conversation, Rachel,

I don't know why. Why? Do what like based on what? Well, that's that's par for the course on this podcast, but why would I not want to have a conversation about Larry Hoover? I mean, your dad is the police kind of. No, he's not. He's the police.

Your dad's not the police? My dad's not the police. He's law enforcement. No. Criminal justice. Well, yeah, criminal justice. He's a law enforcement. He's a judge.

He's a judge, man. I think about the judge. So often, way too often, do I think about the judge? I do. Daddy. Oh, shit. No, please don't do it. No, okay, I'm just joking.

I'm just joking. He's there. I'm just joking. Don't do it. No, no, no, no, no. I was just playing. He called to the police. No!

Stop, Rachel. Seriously, man. Don't tell him like, for real. Don't, don't, uh, don't tell a judge on me. Megan, the stallion, she got the 18. Congressional District Humanitarian Award. Then she also graduated from Texas Southern University.

T.S.U. Texas Southern University. How fucking proud of Meg the Stallion are we right now? Humanitarian Award, she graduated from God. It's good for Meg the Stallion. Man, what example of Mekhton is sitting? What example made the Stallion is setting for everyone? Exactly. And I love that she's so public with it, right? Like she's letting you know you can do both. You can achieve your dreams, but she's got multiple dreams, right? This is something she always said she wanted to do. Such an example. There's so many people who look up to her who are going to remember this. She can show you you can work hard. You can play hard too. I love every part of it, especially with all the stuff that she's been through. You know, she didn't let it deter her. Good for Meg the Stallion. What's going on with that? I literally thought about this the other day.

Yeah, what's happening with that? We've heard nothing. Tori Lane's is out in these streets, you know what I mean? Taking stages, making music. Meg, the Stallion's doing her thing. And it's almost as if it didn't happen. But surely it's an ongoing case. So let me ask you a question.

It's an ongoing case. I have no idea what's going on with it. Of course, I believe, make the stallion of what she said. What if he pleads do a lesser charge? Mm-hmm. The charges are did. dismissed in some way, or if Tori beats it. What happens then?

Well, they're all different, right? Like, if he pleads to a lesser charge, meaning he pled guilty, and there's some sort of confession. So let's say he doesn't, so I'll put you to this. So let's go through this a couple of times. Let's say he takes a gun charge

and doesn't take a charge of assault with a deadly weapon or a charge of shooting her. Let's say he just takes a gun charge. The other charge they throw out, but he takes a gun charge. What will that say to you? I got a problem with it. Because I believe Megan in this situation.

And so it's similar to what you said about Jesse, right? If the people need to hear from you, right? I want you to take what I believe, because I'm choosing to believe Megan, I want you to take responsibility for what you did. And that's the only way I'm going to be able to move forward with you, possibly. Anything less than that, I just, I can't, I can't. Like, unless it didn't happen, it comes out of court that none of the, of that happened, which I don't believe, I can't see it any other way. So no matter what, if you get

off, I still don't, because it could be a lack of evidence, right? Like, there were only a few people in the car. It could be he said, she said, maybe there's not enough evidence cases. People are found not guilty, you know, it doesn't mean that necessarily it didn't happen, okay? So, and you know what I'm talking about. I do know. So can I ask a question? A question, I think is a fair question. Whereas the Jesse Smollett verdict, him being found guilty was a nail in the coffin for a lot of people saying that Jesse Smolett now is guilty of this. What you're saying that in the case of Tori Lanes,

even a not guilty verdict wouldn't mean that you don't believe made the silence. So what I'm saying is, so hold on, so what I'm saying is just so we know, a lot of people have made up their minds on these things before they get to the court of law. I have clearly. If you're listening to what I'm saying, my mind is made up.

It would literally have to come out that, you know, he was in a different car or something. It wasn't him, right? Because we know she was shot at the foot. We saw a video of her walking out of the car. It would have to be something so off for me. But I just believe it can't be there wasn't enough evidence.

It's inconclusive for a hung jury or whatever or not guilty just because. they didn't prove their case. I really believe he shot her in the foot. I'm not saying that he didn't. No, I know you're not. I know. Yeah, I'm not saying that he didn't.

What I'm saying is that think about what we're talking about. So what you're essentially saying is it would take, if this went through, if this went to trial and he was found not guilty, you still wouldn't believe that he didn't shoot her in the foot. Yeah, I know. It's, it's, listen, he can go. That's just me. because if he's found not guilty he will go on making music, he will be successful. Sure.

And I hate what it will do to Megan because when Megan did say he shot her in the foot, people still went after her. You know what I'm saying? So I'm going to hate the way it's going to play out. I'm just saying for me, my personal preference, I'm done. It's no Tory for me.

There's no Tory in the house. I have no problem with that. I do find it. Is it fair? Is it logical? No. I do find it. interesting that the actual outcome of the case in a lot of people's minds doesn't matter.

Yeah, for this situation, and honestly, for Jesse too, if he was found not guilty, I still think he lied. Okay, okay. I, and I know this is so wrong for me to say as a former attorney, but in the, I, I am, since I'm not practicing, I'm making decisions in the court of public opinion. Right. And I chose sides. It's not fair. I can admit that. It is what it is.

Interesting story from the sports world. Mother of teen who punched a girl during basketball game, charged for encouraging her to do it. This is very funny. Oh, guys. This is very funny. 44-year-old Latira Shoney Hunt has been hit with two misdemeanor charges due to claims that she encouraged her daughter to hit a player

on the opposing team following an interaction on the court. The mother was in attendance in the game when a November 7th, 11th, You better hear her for that in the clip that went viral last month. The teen girl can be seen approaching the other girl before sucker punching her. Is that the exact quote? Is that the exact quote? You better hear her for that. Do you think this is fair?

You think this is fair? Number one. So wait a second. Wait a second. Wait a second. Wait a second. Wait a minute. That's funny to me, that's funny, dog.

Yeah, yo, you better hear it for that. It's the quote. Yeah. That's what I said. just paraphrasing or did she actually say that? That's funny. Hey, hey, your mom's watching. Hey, get all the fucking ass for that.

That's too far. I like it. You agree with this. Somebody's got to be responsible, right? So I'm sorry. And this is coming from somebody who has an extreme temper. Okay, I've learned to control it. But when I played basketball, I had a really, really bad temper.

Like, I was not known to, I mean, to not fight. Right? Like that was my M-O's where Big Rache came from. But I never punched anybody like that. And I can't imagine one of my parents yelling out that I need to hit her. You know, there's something to say stand up for yourself. It's nothing to say you better hit her because somebody's got to be responsible. The girl got a concussion, okay?

The girl, she hit her heart. She hit her in a neck. It was like face and neck. The girl got a concussion. The girl was not okay. Somebody has to be held responsible with that because that girl can't do that again. The girl's got to learn a lesson.

And if it's the mother, mom's got to know you can't say that because children take what you say literally. The child might have thought if I don't hit her, I'm going to get hit later. I've been in that situation before. Yeah. My pop sees somebody like,

yo look, van, for real. You need to go in there and get busy. Like if you don't, like my dad told me, go out there and fight. Like, sometimes you got to sometimes. If somebody hits you, and I was told that they hit you, you need to hit them back.

In this situation, something happened. And then she said, you better hit her for it. So who knows? It was like a rebound situation and they both fell. You know what I mean? But the mom felt like it was too much. I'm going to be real with you. Sometimes you got to make a statement, man.

That's not the statement to make. She could have pushed her a little bit. I guess the mom. See, that's what I would say if I was the mom. If I was the mom, I turned states on my kid. I was like, I didn't say punch, by the way. I say a hit. That could be like a shoulder check.

You know what Marky Moore's did? Because I'm good for that. If you, like, I used to play big down there. I'm good for that. If you, if I get one too many hard files, you're going to get a super hard file in return. Then whatever you do is on you. I was good for that.

So maybe when she said hit, maybe the kid took it too literally. I blame the child. Well, I'm the mom. They're both to blame for sure. No. If I'm the mom, I say, look, this motherfucker ain't got no comprehension.

I say hit. I didn't say punch nobody in the throat. I need to hear her tone. I need to hear the tone. I like this, though. To me, this is involved parenting. That's kind of shit I like. Like, okay.

She could have been like, don't let her get away with that. You better stand up for yourself. Would you want to live to be 300 years old? What do I? No, I have more questions than that. Is this your very serious question? Okay. No.

This is not my very serious question. question. My very serious question is something different. Elon Musk says Neurlink can start implanting chips into humans in 2022. People with severe spinal injuries would get the tech that the billionaire says can help

them walk again. Let me tell you why I ask you. Yeah, why did you ask me that? If you want to live to be 300. This to me is the beginning of a phenomenon. To me is the beginning of singularity where humans will merge with computers. It'll help us figure out

all kinds of diseases, all types of elements, all types of disorders that could possibly extend the lifespan of human beings like in a sort of undefinable indefinable, indefinite way. There is technology that could possibly be used to where human beings could live a lot longer, be a lot more efficient. And this, this neuralink stuff is the beginning of it. Think about this. what if the neural link can regenerate cells that help you walk again could could it regenerate deteriorating cells in your body uh that show aging could it fight cancer could it

do all of these things and at the point that it can what then defines a natural lifespan so the question is would if this is possible what he's saying and most futurists believe that we're going to get to a point where stuff like this is possible would you want to be someone who was walking around right now looking like you look at 250 years old. I get to look like this at 250 and 300? Yeah, if the shit was worse. So that was one of my, that was one of my questions. Well, something you said about it being natural, it's obviously not, right?

If you're going to put a chip in my brain or on some type of cell to, that's not natural. So none of it is natural. What is natural? I mean, if you're altering certain cells, right, to make me age younger, that's not natural. Like, I'm not naturally aging. Is flying on a plane natural? Yeah. Why?

You weren't supposed to do it. It doesn't affect my body. I guess it's what I'm saying. Well, it takes your body from one place to another place. Right, but it doesn't affect me. It doesn't affect my natural progression as a human being. You're changing the, like, me. You're changing the composition of me.

So, I guess I would ask you then is, like, is shampoo natural? Is, or synthesized vitamins natural? Are pharmaceutical drugs natural? Why are you trying to have this argument with me? I'm going to quote Elon. Because Elon said, I think we have a chance of being able to allow someone who cannot walk or use their arms or use their arms be able to walk again, but not naturally.

Right. Here's the thing now. When he says not naturally, what I'm talking to what, this is how I believe in this. I think that anything that exists in nature is natural. Anything. So anything that exists in any, because even the natural world is there to be manipulated. So anything that exists in nature is natural. anything that exists in nature is natural.

So, okay. Well, we can agree with a disagree on that. I think if you figure out how to repair somebody's spine, you know, that's natural. I don't want to live to be 300. I'm not trying to work for that long. That means I got to deal with Earth's problems. I don't want to live until I'm 300. That's the thing.

The thing is, will the Earth be still in good? Yeah, like, I don't want to be struggling and no. I do not want to live that long. I'm sorry. That's Van's very serious question the other week. Didn't you just say it wasn't? No, I didn't, I said the fucking Neurlink was it? Maybe I didn't lie.

If you could live to be 300 years old with technology, would you want to live to be 300 years old? You are saying no. No. What are you saying? Probably. It depends on what kind of cool stuff was on the horizon. You know what I mean?

Because the only thing I think about is I think about the cool stuff that I'm going to miss, you know? But like if there was a lot of cool stuff, like, people think cool stuff is like going to Mars That's not what I'm talking about That's not cool at all to me That's not cool at all But I'm thinking about like

If at some point I'm gonna be able to take a pill And it's gonna like let me fly That would be cool I don't want to work for 300 years I don't want to watch people die For 300 years I don't want to watch like I just I just don't

Yeah you're out of here I'm too negative for 300 years I don't want it Yeah how do you think When we cut out the Meg the Stallion Tori Lane's thing. How do you think people are going to react to you saying that? I think that's going to make a lot of people upset, Rachel.

Why would it make people upset? I'm choosing to believe that Megan's story. No, no, here's thing. You could be upset if you want to. All I'm doing is telling the truth because we all have our opinions. And whether you want to admit it or not, you have chosen to believe one or the other. I'm choosing to believe Meg the Stallion regardless.

No matter what, hold on. You're choosing to believe Megastalian, no matter what comes up. I would like, so she's lying about like for you to not believe her. I'm not saying she's lying. I believe her too. Not you.

This is a general you. This is a general you. Yeah. Who is that? I'm just laughing at Brian crawling on the floor not to be seen. I mean, oh yeah, I know this is a general you.

I'm not talking about you Van Lathan specifically. What I'm saying is, is that for me to not believe her means that she lied or she really didn't get shot in the foot by Tori Lange's, or it wasn't him that pulled the trigger. I just can't see it any other way. And so I'm choosing to believe Megan.

I don't care. Y'all come at me if you want. You can come at you? I don't like the way Tori Lanes has handled the whole situation afterwards. I'm choosing to believe Megan. But I really do need to know what's happening in the case, though. It was too public for now to be so quiet. What's happening?

Yeah. Yeah, we'll see. We'll see. All right. We're out of here. So you're choosing to believe the court system. Let me just get this right. What the court says is true is what you believe.

So if the court says that he's not guilty, then you believe Tori and Megan lied about it. That's what you're saying. What I'm telling you right now is that I believe, Megan, but not to the point to where evidence came out that said that it didn't happen, that I wouldn't believe it. I said that. I said evidence would have to come out that, like,

he wasn't in the car at the time. How about this? How about this? How about this? If, so if Tori Lane is pleased to a lesser charge, like, if you pleased to a gun charge, that doesn't mean he didn't do it. Exactly.

Right. But if they go through a trial and Torrey Lane's is found not guilty, he's not guilty. The same way I was with Jesse, right? So did O.J. do it? Well, no, he didn't. Okay.

But there's a difference with OJ, though. And I'll tell you what the difference is. The difference is OJ didn't murder Nicole Brown Simpson and wrong open. I can't say that, but he did kill them because there was a wrongful death case where the same like where he was found liable

for them being killed. So you can say that OJ killed them. Now if you ask me what I believe, that's one thing. No. That's a civil case. Yeah, the civil case still is enough of a, you can't, so the civil case is talking about wrongful death. He killed them, but you can't say he's a murderer

because he got off for it. Now if you ask me what I think, it's one thing, right? You know what I mean? but in this particular case, I think there is way, as far as what we know, because we haven't gone to trial yet,

there's way less damning evidence, way less damning evidence against Torrey Lane's than Megan's out. That's all I'd say. So if they, like, all I'm saying is I believe Megan, but I could be wrong. And I think that's an interesting thing.

I think a lot of people have made up their minds on it, no matter what happens. And I think that's very interesting. So, We'll see. We'll see what happens. Go get Papa. All right.

That's enough. Take your thinking caps off, but do not stop learning. I am Van Lathen, Jr. And I'm Rachel Lynn Lindsay. Bye guys. Hold on real quick. Hold on. Before we leave.

Something happened? Derek Chauvin appears ready to plead guilty to violating George Floyd's civil rights, according to a court notice. A hearing has been scheduled for Wednesday for the former Minneapolis police officer to change his current not guilty plea. He is going to change his not guilty plea this upcoming Wednesday in the federal case for violating George Floyd civil rights. It looks like he is changing his plea in the federal case.

He's already been convicted of the state crime. It looks like he is not going to fight the federal crime. Good. Good. Good. And that reminds me, we need to bring attention to this because there is another trial that's going on. and that is the trial of Kim Potter who shot and killed Dante Wright at a traffic stop in Minnesota.

And we haven't been, we'll be following the case. It's still ongoing. But I did not even realize that trial was going on. And I just wonder how many other people didn't as well. So it's just something that we need to remember. We need to be following. What happens with that if you'll remember, Kim Potter, was a veteran who had been on the force for 26 years. and instead of pulling her taser to aim at Dante Wright, she pulled her gun and she shot and killed him. Yes, yes. To both of those on Thursday, Alistair, peace out, my young G.

I see you right there in the camera. We will talk to you. Bye, he says bye. Bye, Alistair. Bye. We're going to see you guys Friday. We out. Bye.