Higher Learning with Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay - The WNBA Conspiracy, One-Sided Beefs, and Our Voting Rights Under Attack | Higher Learning | The Ringer

Episode Date: August 8, 2025

Rachel and Van start the show by reacting to the news of the cancellation of The Howard Stern Show before getting into some one-sided beefs: Donald Trump against Gayle King and Megyn Kelly against Beyoncé. Then, they talk about Diddy’s possible presidential pardon and the threats against the Voting Rights Act before Van gets into the conspiracy happening in the WNBA. 00:00 - Welcome!  08:44 - The Howard Stern Show is done  18:57 - Gayle King vs. Trump? 24:17  - BET Hip-Hop and Soul Train Awards suspended indefinitely 45:22 - Megyn Kelly tries to rip Beyoncé 1:00:48 - Diddy’s possible presidential pardon 1:14:22 - Voting Rights Act under threat 1:26:57 - The WNBA dildo-tossing conspiracy 1:37:42 - Van's lovely sister joins us!  1:41:26 - Thanks for watching! Hosts: Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay Producers: Donnie Beacham and Ashleigh Smith Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Yo, yo, yo, thought warriors. What is up? Highland is on. It's Ivan Lays and Jr. And it's me, Rachel and Lindsay. Like, comment, subscribe, share the podcast over on YouTube. Go over on the YouTube and say something nice about Rachel's Tupac situation is going on today. So anytime anybody wears a bandana, it's got to be Tupac.

Yeah, but actually, that's not the way he would wear the bandana. It's not the way he would wear it. Exactly. You know it's giving more faith from soul food. That's what I feel like any time I put on a bandana like this. Oh, really? That's who I am. That's who I am.

Actually, you're Terry. You're Terry. You're Terry by far. I let my family into the house. My family. Who would I be from soul food? Why am I? Is Terry a lawyer?

But she definitely had the sorry husband. She definitely had the sorry husband. I want to shout out somebody. Who would you? You would be. I want to shout out Michael Beach, man. I want to shout him out because

Michael Beach, first of all, is a great follow on Twitter. But if I'm not mistaken, and I could be wrong about this, it wasn't Michael Beach. Wait, Michael Beach wasn't in Soul Food.

Was he Terry's husband? Yes, he was Terry's husband. And then Michael Beach also was in waiting to exhale. At the same time, Michael Beach, who's a great actor's been there's one movie,

called one false move. If you guys haven't seen this movie, it's with Billy Bob Thorne, Cinder Williams, Michael, it is so fucking amazing. Mike is so good on so many things and he's, like I said, great follow on Twitter, but he had balls to play

both. Angela Bass's husband in waiting to exhale and then come back. I feel like all... Terry's husband, it's so food. I feel like all black women. I just have like, you see Michael beach and you're like,

he plays his roles well, which that's a testament to him, but you see him and you're like, I remember what you did to Terry. I remember what you did to Angela. Mary J. Blige has a whole song about you. Like, there's something when I see him, I'm like,

mm. He played in something else too. There's another movie I feel like we're forgetting where he had a similar type character, but maybe not. Maybe that was enough. He's been in so much, right? He's been in so much.

He is, The consummate pro as far as an actor is concerned. A guy like Michael Beach, you know, you see him pop up in big movies. He was in Aquaman and stuff. His career is still going strong. But I am begging to see him in like a prestige drama where like he's the lead. I always like to see guys like that finally get the Oscar Emmy Golden Globe run because they put in so much work. And he's been in so lean on me.

Remember him and lean on me? Who was he in lean on me? I'll get your ass. Remember he was the young, he was the young teacher. Oh, okay, okay, okay, okay. That was going up against Mr. Clark and he said that if you don't give me the respect that

I deserve, I will whip your ass. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Gosh, I forgot he was in lean on me. I'm looking at it right now. There's one false move is one of my favorite movies ever that's up there. Look at all, white man's burden. Did you ever see that one?

Mm-mm. White Man's Burden is about, it's like a fable where in the world, white people are black people and black people are white people. Interesting. It's with John Travolta and Harry Belafonte. Oh, we should have him on the podcast, Michael Beach. Oh, I thought you meant Harry Belafonte. I was like, that's going to be hard. I was like, I was like, Allison, that's going to be a tough get.

Alison, see what you can do. to get Harry Belafonte on the show. That's going to be a tough one. Like, I just want to squash the beef with Michael Beach. Do you want to talk to him about it? Let's just squash it. He's in great shape. I think he's like, he was talking about it.

He's like 60 or 60. I just watch him on Twitter. He was talking about his son leaving the shower on and misting up the whole room. He's very funny. He's an inspirational guy. I like him a lot. But God damn, Michael.

Soul food and motherfucking waiting exhale. But like, sorry in different ways. Two totally different characters, but equally sorry. Equally. That one, that one line is one of the coldest lines ever though. And waiting to exhale. That's a cold-ass line. Which one? The one where he goes, she doesn't want to be alone tonight. And I don't think she should have to be. I'm like, this nigger crazy. Oh my Lord Jesus, baby. I don't think she should be. I'm like, what the fuck is going? And remember, they were getting ready to go to an event.

She was happy. She was putting her earrings on when she saw him in the mirror. She kind of smiled and was like, blah, blah, blah, blah. She was happy. I'm getting upset. She knew why I get upset. I'm getting upset. You know what?

But you know what, though? I'm going to. Waiting to Exhale is the movie where all black men ain't. shit and they put the movie out and it was fine and it was talked about. I remember one of my teachers, Miss Watry, was very upset at waiting to exit. She was like, just made all our black man look like that shit. I didn't even think about it. I was like, oh, shit, whatever.

So I'm going to make a black man's version of it. And I know that we already had that with hip-hop. Well, no, we had that with the best man. Oh, I don't think we had that with the best man. Well, that's what he said was his inspiration. He said Wayne Excel. That's why he created it. But I think if Wayne to, if, I think that he...

He went hard enough on black women, van. No, no. You want to, you want to make a movie. What would that look like? What, please tell me how you would like to create something as if, as if we don't go through enough. The movie would be called waiting. It would be called waiting to inhale. And it's about a bunch of niggas who just want to play the game.

That's it. What is up with you in this video game? It's about a bunch of niggas that just want to play the game, they just want to watch the shit. I'm just want to breathe. Imitate how the woman's going to be. No, I'm not going to say that.

No, first of all, I'll do you know, I'm talking about, do you have a problem with the existence of waiting to exhale? No. Then why would you have a problem with the existence of waiting to inhale? Because I don't like where we're going.

I'm trying to see how the black women would be depicted. I'm asking you to give me a taste. Fairly? Fairly? I'm always going to depict the sisters fairly now. But I will keep it real and say, let a nigga play the game, man. I know the guys out there, they're hearing this. They're like, I too want to play Tony Hawk Pro Skater. Like, I too, you know what?

I have a game truce. We can get off this. Okay. Find a game that y'all like together and y'all play the game for a little while. Then after that? Donnie strikes again. What did Donnie say? There is a waiting to inhale.

I bet there is. Okay, what is it? What's in it? It's called the brothers. That's not true. You guys, these movies aren't. These movies are nowhere close. See, this is I don't like this.

Johnny, what he really wants to say is, is this not hard enough on the black women? Brough, it's not hard enough. Like, waiting to exhale, the brothers, are you fucking kidding me? The brothers is nowhere near as hard on black women as waiting to X-Hel is on black man. There's one good nigger in waiting to X-L.

One. And that's the late great Gregory Hines. Even the Wesley Snipes character, who was a cool brother, was cheating on his white wife that has cancer. Oh, God! When he reveals that she's white. It was cheating on his white cancer

stricken wife. Lordy. He wasn't intimate, though. Well, they had a little late. There was intimacy, but not sex. Donnie, get us into the show, man.

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Let's talk about Howard Stern. According to sources that spoke to the U.S. Sun, it looks like the Howard Stern show on Series XM is going to be canceled after a nearly 20-year run. The insider is quoted as saying that his contract is up in the fall and that they have no intention of seriously resigning him. And this is on the heels of CBS making the decision to not bring back the late show with Stephen Colbert. Thoughts on this happening.

I feel like this is like a much ado about nothing situation. At least for the reasons that everyone is, or they're trying to imply or insinuate why serious XM is rumored to be canceling his show. I mean, in light of what we're seeing happening across mainstream media, period. We're seeing layoffs and canceling of shows and, you know, hosts being removed. And I'm not saying all of it is the same for the same reason. But for this in particular, and it just seems to be a lot of things at issue. He's in his 70s. He's been doing the show for 20 years. I'm sure his ratings have changed. He's getting his contract is up. He gets paid, he gets paid an insane amount of money. $100 million a year. And I, 100 million.

a year? Something like that. That's wild. So I'm sure when you look at a cost benefit analysis here, it doesn't make sense for him to continue in the same way that he has been. So to me, it's not shocking when I look at all of those different factors to think that, okay, they're thinking of allegedly removing his show or canceling his show from Sirius XM. I don't think that this is in any way related to or like the Stephen Colbert situation or what he's trying to do with other hosts or other shows like we've seen with 60 minutes and stuff like that. I don't think these two are related.

So it says here, Howard Stern's salary is reportedly between 80 million and 120 million. A year. That's crazy. Even after accounting for production costs and salaries for show staff, including Robin Quivers and Gary. You likely takes home around $90 million annually before taxes and agent fees. I was starting to get to that bread. Yeah, go enjoy it.

Well, I mean, okay, so he's on serious, right? So him being on serious is probably about him driving subscribers to serious more than it is about raw listenership. Of course, it's about raw listenership. But what Sirius wants you to do is come listen to Sirius because Howard Stern is on there. And we should say that he was a very, very, very important part of them building their business. Because when Howard Stern left terrestrial radio,

when he left like E, when his relationship with mainstream media structures was over, Sirius was a brand new platform for him to try out. It allowed him to do his show uncensored, and he did do it uncensored. I mean, you know, Howard Stern had some... The past of Howard Stern is filled with inciting, disgusting,

sometimes overwhelmingly hilarious rhetoric and things happening on the show. I mean, how porn stars will come on Howard Stern show and ride a Sibbion. It would ride a sex tour and Howard Stern would like the sex tour. He'd have lesbian contests, lesbian kissing contests. They do all kinds of stuff. They could do whatever they wanted to do because they were on series. And when Sirius was first trying to get its foothold in the larger portion of media and compete with the rest of these people, having Howard Stern was a big deal.

The question is, is it still that type of draw? is he still that type of draw? And it's serious at a point right now where they don't need to pay Howard Stern $100 million anymore. They don't need to do it anymore. I mean, they've built their brand off of him and legitimately

it was, he was a large portion of it. They built their brand off of him, but do they need him in the same way that they did before? Secondary question would be, like Stephen Colbert's show, was he valuable enough to see to where they would have been like.

Maybe we won't pay you $100 million. Pay $30 million. Maybe we cut costs on your show and bring the cost of your show down, bring the profitability of the show up. And if he is not beefing with the president, is that a decision that serious makes? And that's the kind of thing that people are asking about.

People are asking about not necessarily whether or not this is all coming from Donald Trump, but whether or not Trump, Trump is putting his thumb on a scale just enough to take advantages of holes and cracks in the marketplace to get his enemies out. I just don't think that this decision is related to Trump in any way.

And it is rumored that, you know, because none of this has been confirmed by Sirius or Howard Stern himself, but it is rumored that they want to offer him something lower to your point. Interesting. About maybe it's instead of 100, it's 30.

And they anticipate that he wouldn't accept anything lower, especially for all the years. Not just being with him, but just been a personality and in this business. And so they're anticipating that the show itself would be canceled because of the low offer. But I don't think that lower offer. I don't think that this is related to Trump in any way.

I really don't. I mean, I guess I just don't. I know what Trump is doing with other people. And maybe I'm just thinking of the history of Donald. Trump on the Howard Stern show. But I, and yes, we know their relationship changed after he endorsed

Hillary Clinton, but I just don't think this related to Trump. I think Trump will take advantage of it, though. I think Trump will take credit for it. If the show... If the show absolutely is canceled or he gets less money, he will take credit for this

and as a win for MAGA and his administration 100%. All right. We got to talk about parties real quick, not political parties, but actual parties. I want to ask your question. Okay. Which party would you rather go to? These are the two parties.

Trump's media friends and Trump's media enemies. These are the media enemies of Donald Trump. Howard Stern, Gil King, talk about. Charlemagne, Taylor Swift, Bruce Springsteen, Kimmel, Colbert, Fallon, Jim Makaska, Don Lemon, Rachel Maddow, Anderson Cooper, April Ryan, Robert De Niro, Merrill Street, Sam Jackson, Beyonce, LeBron James,

Colin Kaepernet, Steph Curry, Oprah, JZ, Cher, Madonna, Rihanna, Metler, John Legend, Chrissy Teigen, George Clooney, Lady Gaga, Steve Kerrig, Papovic, Prince Harry and Megan, Barbara Streisand. Those are all the people that Donald Trump has picked fights with his public media beefs, his media

enemies. All right. Would you rather be at that party? Or would you rather be at a party with Donald Trump's media friends? Which are Kanye, Kid Rock, Ted Nugent, Little Pump, John Voight, Dean Kane, Antonio Sabato, Jr., Roseanne Barr, Dana White, Mike Tyson, Brett Farr, Hannity, Caitlin Jenner, Tucker Carlson, Kodak Black, Lou Wayne, Nelly, Snoop, Charlie Kirk, James Woods, Dennis Rodman, Chuck Norris, Hersch Walker, Mike Lindell, the My Pillow guy. Vince McMahon. Did you- Which group?

Did you say Dean Cain? Which party would you- D-Kain is in there? Which party would you rather go to? I mean, easily, the party of the enemies. I'm asking which party would most people rather go to?

Just be honest, for most people. This is easy to me. If you're hardcore MAGA, even if you're hardcore MAGA, don't you have to admit that the party with Trump's media enemies is just a better party. It's just a better party.

It seems more like the people there are funnier, more entertaining, more talented. Yeah, and it seems more crowded. That was a shorter list on the friends versus the enemies. The reason I brought up, did you see that Dean Cain's joining ice?

Ice agent, yeah. Super ICE. I just always think of the different world episode. Like, wow. With Dean King? Anytime Dean Cade comes up now because he's so pro-Trump and so MAGA. And now with the joining ICE and wearing it with his full chest, I just think about the different world episode.

And I thought, wow, he was telling y'all who he was a long time ago. He's not Superman. He's not Superman. He's that guy in the jail cell with Ron. I mean, look, Dean Kane joining ICE is just something that he's doing to incite you guys. It's really more about Dean Kane. It's more about Dean Kane than it is about ICE. We can, Dean Kane joining ICE is the Sydney-Sweeney-Gene ad of political news for today.

It's something that you really, really shouldn't pay any attention to it. It doesn't matter at all. I think it's funny. Fuck them. Yeah, I get it. I get it. Donnie, let's go. Let's keep going.

You mentioned Gail King. and Trump coming for her. I don't know why what incited this truth social post, but he posted, Gayle King's career is over. She should have stayed with her belief in Trump. She never had the courage to do so. No talent, no ratings, no strength.

So he also shared this New York Times or this New York post that described her future as CBS as murky because of her political stance. Now, TMZ caught up with Gayle King, and this is what she said. I'm sorry he feels that way. I'm just going to do it.

I like my job, continue to do a good job. There's a long list of people. Yeah, long list. Look, I'm in a group now with Bruce Springsteen, Taylor Swift, Stephen Polbear. I'm sorry he feels that way. She's basically the same thing I just said that she's in good company with all the people that Trump doesn't like. Yeah, this kind of is what it is. Gail King is she's already made her reputation and she's minted.

And if she ends up leaving CBS, she'll get something else. I don't know when she had her belief in Trump. I think that's more what I mentioned. When was there a belief in Trump for Gayle King? I'm sure that he's talking about before he entered into politics. I'm sure that, and this is obviously I don't have any proof of this, but I would imagine that they had crossed paths on the social scene in New York prior to him throwing his hat into the political. ring. So I think that's what he means. As I'm sure Gail isn't alone, there have been plenty of people who have

were cozied up to Trump before and then change their minds. But I actually don't agree with you in this. If, if CBS decides to let Gail King go, where would she go on linear TV? It might not be linear. That's what I'm saying. Like that it, you know, Trump is doing what Trump is doing. everybody can get it. He's going to go after every single person who's a talking head who doesn't support him. Gail King is just the next person in line. And if she does not come back to CBS, he will, of course, take credit for it and count it as a win because I don't think that there is anywhere for her to go on linear TV. And I'm not saying that she can't have success off TV. Plenty of people do. I just think that I just just, I'm just, I'm just,

I guess responding to what you're saying about the bouncing back. She won't bounce back in that way. And she's also in her 70s. She might not want to. Trump can't end Gayle King. Gail King has been doing what she's doing for a long time. He can't end Gil King. He can't, I didn't say that you thought that.

Trump cannot end Gail King. If Gail King is fired or let go from CBS because of Donald Trump, we'll ask the same questions that we've asked in the case of Howard Stern and Stephen Colbert, about the overreach from the administration and how the administration is responding to its critics in the media. That's true.

What I'm saying is that when I look at her, him, first of all, Gail King has Oprah with her. And Oprah is still a ridiculously powerful mover and operator in media, even if she is not as top of mind as she used to be. When I say that Gail King is going to be fine, that's more of me

you can get somebody that I know Homegirl, that's me more saying hey Trump can't hurt you Trump can't end you and letting her know that it's going to be okay it's going to be okay the president is obviously on the warpath

he's on a warpath to get all of his enemies out of the media he is an authoritarian dictatorial type of leader but somebody like her you have to almost like look at people and reassure them. It's not the end of Gail King because Donald Trump says it is. He cannot do that to her. Yeah, I don't think she's worried about that.

Well, I mean, I want to get into her head, but you know, you've made a, I think anybody that has a voice is concerned about that voice being extinguished, particularly when that is, it's happening from on high. It's coming from somebody with as much power as the president would have, right? Be it, Colbert, Gil King, Fallon, Kimmel, whoever, these are all people that have something to say. They're like expressing themselves. And being muted in any way, no matter how much you've done,

probably doesn't feel so great. But the thing is now with as many ways as there are to get your, messaging out to people and to be who you are, particularly after you distinguish yourself as someone who is notable in the space, it's not a lot of ways to keep people quiet. There's not a lot of ways to shun them. We can't get rid of Chris Cuomo. Chris Cuomo, I still hear him. He's still like, I still hear him shouting from the rafters.

Yeah. And she can turn it into a positive, which we've seen other people do. Donnie, what you got? BT Awards, the BT Hip Hop Awards, and the Soul Train. Awards. It looks like they're suspended indefinitely. This is according to the CEO Scott Mills. He spoke to Billboard and he mentioned stagnant ratings

and financial pressures is the reasons. I said suspended indefinitely. They're not ending them. Sounds like they're going to be looking for new ways to have the award shows going in the future. But yeah, changes. No more Soul Train Awards.

No more BT Hip Hop Awards. I mean, did you notice that the Soul Train Awards? didn't happen last year? I mean, I noticed, yeah. I mean, I've always liked the Soul Train Awards, but I think the Soul Train Awards were becoming a little bit more of a tough sell.

Well, yeah, I mean, you don't have the show to tie it to anymore. Soul Train. So that one is definitely harder. I mean, I don't, I'm not a big awards show watcher, so I could be part of the problem as to why, you know, the viewership is down. I'm not one that's supporting it. I think a lot of people, not a lot of people, but I think some people were confused as to whether or not this meant the BET Awards, which even though that also declined in viewership this year, despite it being, I thought it was one of the best I've seen in a long time. That has not been canceled. It's the hip hop awards. I mean, I think it's sad in the grand scheme of award shows when you have very few representation of award shows that are dedicated to honoring and show.

showcasing black talent and greatness. It's sad that you're seeing these go away and not really the other ones go away. So, you know, you're not going to see it as much. There's not going to be as much of a representation of it. I do hope that that's just not something that they're saying about that it's going to still have a presence. It just won't have a presence on TV anymore. It might just be digital. I do hope that they continue it because of the history of these shows, if not both, at least one of them.

So, I mean, I guess we just have to see. and support, I will say. So, yeah, there used to be a lot more award shows because the brands were bigger. So Blockbuster had a Blockbuster movie award show because Blockbuster was a big brand. MTV had the MTV Awards, the VMAs, via music awards, because the VMAs, MTV was a big brand.

BT had the BT Awards and it was a big deal because BT was a big brand I could go on Soul Train Awards Soul Train big brand you think of Soul Train what do you think about

Black creators black culture Black people dancing Soul Train Awards People's having a good time Having a good time Soul Train awards Big brand Big brand

All of these things big brands They were all connected to these various corporations be a Viacom be or whatever and corporate changes in those corporations change the way we celebrate. If BET is not a big brand anymore,

meaning visibility, success, shows, all of that stuff, that means there's less money for the BET Awards. Less money for the BET Awards means maybe they own Zix 1 day. There's less people watching BET, less BT awards. There's less people, even the VMAs. I wonder how much longer the VMAs have. The VMAs are a completely irrelevant show. What year did they, last year or two years ago, they didn't have it?

They didn't have one of them. So it's a completely irrelevant show. It used to be a gigantic showcase for big artists, for legacy artists. It was the celebration of the music video. The music video was being played on MTV. So that would be a big deal. Now you'll probably have the Amazon Awards or the YouTube Awards, which I'm sure they probably have, or the Apple TV Awards.

These are the big brands that are solidified enough to have award shows that would be durable for the long time because they can afford to do it. I remember Jim Carrey won an MTV Award one time, MTV Movie Award, and he went meta on the award show. He was like, these award shows are like big commercials, right? They're big commercials. The MTV Movie Award doesn't really mean anything, but it's a big production. and if you don't show up to the award show to accept the award and promote your movie to the audience, you look ungrateful.

So he was calling them out by the fact that he had to go there even though the award didn't really mean anything. I think the BET Awards are different in that it's literally a cultural celebration and the award show is an excuse to have a big party. Do you feel that about the hip hop awards? The hip hop awards were never done right to me.

Never, never done right. I think that the hip hop awards need to be like the CMTs. Like hip hop needs a, the CMTs is country music television and it's country music. Hip hop needs a central governing body, a centralized sort of organization to be able to, and that organization needs to be funded. And then the award show needs to come from that.

And so, like, to me, I have an idea for this hip-hop award show, if you want to hear it. We'd love to. Okay, so this is the deal. This is my idea. So hip-hop needs its own award show. Has to happen. But before we do that, we need a central governing hip-hop media stronghold

with hip-hop writers and culture coming together, making big hip-hop decisions, promoting hip-hop, talking about the history hip-hop, but it needs to be centralized and it needs to be all together. Not necessarily so they can be hierarchy, but so that there can be collaboration. This is who I will put on the board. Ninth Wonder, Sway,

Speedy, Angie Martinez, big boy, Kenny Burns and Karen Civil. That is who I will put on the central hip-hop national committee, organization, national situation. I'll put all of them together. Then the hip-hop awards would be this.

That would be the entity that put together. and through the hip-hop awards. I mean, anybody could join this entity. Maybe this is, I don't know, the country music have, they have the ACAs, the American Country Music Association. Maybe this could be the hip-hop association,

the H-H-H-A or whatever, whatever. Those would be the people that start on it, though. The award show would be produced by Will Packer, and it would rotate between Atlanta, New York, and Los Angeles. All right? The first one would be held at Yankee Stadium in the Bronx.

the birthplace of hip-hop, right? Be hosted by Charlemagne and Joe Button together, which would be hilarious, right? You get Charlemagne and Joe Button together to host the show. They would have to put it to the side for hip-hop. Come out and do it for hip-hop. I'm pretty sure they're pretty good right now anyway. But get them, they host the show together.

Charlemagne and Joe Button host the first Evel H-H-H-H-H-H-H-Pop awards. Dialo and Bashir and Rob Hayes would write the show, right? Diallo and Bashir. I like the writing. They write a lot of jokes for these words. The right, they're right to show. Rob Hayes. You were involved in the show.

I don't know why. Gina Vues and Rachel Lindsay will host the red carpet for this show. Okay, that makes sense. You're going to host the red carpet for the HHAs, the hip-hop awards, right? Zway would do the post-show interviews. The big streamers go IRL for the entire show. All of the big streamers go IRL for the entire show. We got the streaming community figured out, right?

We got everything figured out. Where does new media fit in this hip hop award show that I am promoting? They run the post-award interview room. You know how you win your Oscar and you go to a room where people are asking you questions? Well, in that room are all the hip-hop podcasters. That's all of the new media people. They run that room where they are asking questions directly to the people. that have just won these awards.

They are the hip-hop press. That's where they would be. Okay. Everyone is doing their thing, and then Candace Grace, uh, aka formerly known as Miss Diddy, throws the after party.

But the first thing that you need is a structure, a central structure of hip-hop, to be funded, to be invested into, that works with hip-hop for it's worth, which, should I say, with, with money, you have to work with money. It works with,

with money for the preservation of the history of hip hop, for the future of hip hop to coordinate with radio stations to do all of that. There needs to be structured in the middle of it so that the hip hop awards are never, like, they're on a network, but they're never of the network, right? Like the CMTs come from the country music television. I get it, all of that stuff. But then the ACS, there needs, I'm talking about prestige, establishing prestige.

So it needs to stand alone. It's a standalone organization. So we air it on BET, but we take the power away from BET. We don't necessarily err on BET. And the reason I'm down with you on this is because I think one thing that we're not mentioning and talking about the whole thing and the significance of the fact that now they're getting away, they're taking things away from BET is who BET is under. BETMedia Group is under, you said Viacom, it's under Paramount Global, who's under the whole thing with everything. you know, CBS, Skydance, and what Trump is tapped directly into.

So you have, like, when you look at it, it's like, well, of course they're starting to get rid of, like, BET doesn't have necessarily the money or the resources. They've been trying to sell BET for a while to different people at the same time. So it doesn't have the support and the backing when you look at the arm that it's under. So I agree with you. I think it's got to go. The award show, the HHA, has got to be taken away.

What we need, hip hop needs its own structure. Do you feel like it was like that with the source? When you had the source awards? The source awards was actually a pretty decent facsimile of that. However. Trying to see when the last one was. What I am, let me tell you something. I'm very, this is probably the most,

capitalist or upper crust elitist that I get. I'm into things having prestige. I think you need prestige in art forms. I think art forms need prestige. They need to be purists and people that are able to contextualize different art forms. And hip hop is an art form where a lot of times I think people don't respect the prestige of it. that's why I've always said this before. I'll say it again.

Hip-hop journalism, elevated hip-hop journalism that is getting into the ends and outs of the music, that it's talking about the history of the music, present and the music's future, the music, that is talking about the artist's journey. Like, how and why did you come to this? Like, what are the structures that govern artistry behind the scenes? All that is very important.

It's very important. And it seems like we're getting away. from prestige journalism existing in hip hop, prestige examination is just existing in hip hop. There's enough room for every type of way that you cover it. There's room for all of it. There's room for the more salacious type of coverage. There's room for the people sitting in their home studios covering it.

There's room for all of it. All of it should exist. All of it should exist. All of it feeds the organism of hip hop and makes it grow and makes it bigger. What it seems that people don't think should exist anymore is trained journalists giving interviews to hip hop figures that is about the music, the journey, their history, that is very elevated journalism. I think that's the thing that's on the run right now. And that's very important. That's very important to telling the story of hip-hop.

So when you're doing an award show, I think that's that. that there should be, the war show should be done by people who take hip hop seriously. You are not wrong in what you say and it should go back to that. And I feel like I know what your response would be. But I wonder if it would, if that's, if you, if you tap into the prestige and tap into what it means and what it used to be and getting back to the core of that, if it would alienate a large group of people to where the show wouldn't have success. Sadly.

No, I, look. Because people do want to know about the things you didn't name, right? Wait. I'm not for hierarchy in this. No, I know that. I'm not saying that. Yeah. I get that.

No, I just mean, like, we're in a day and age where, and then, like, that's why I wonder if, like, there would be a disconnect. When I think about when I used to work a red carpet, it wasn't for hip hop, but, I mean, not that I, I mean, I covered these award shows, but the. Instead of, there was always this battle between myself and producers because I wanted to talk about the artistry. I wanted to talk about who the person is, how they can't, like, you know, whatever it was that they were promoting a movie, a show, an album. And I wanted to talk about the details of that. They'd be like, nobody cares.

You need to talk about, you know, the fluff, the other stuff. And that's kind of the world that we live in now when it comes to journalism at times because that's what. what the audience or what gets attention or what goes viral or what's seen as important to a lot of these people. That's all I'm saying. So you're not wrong. And remember, I worked at TMZ. I was how I got my start, right? Part of the problem. So the reality is it can't all be TMZ. This is the same this is the same criticism that people use against Tyler Perry movies. They say, hey, Tyler, I'm listening, Seriously. They say, hey, Tyler Perry movies are, we don't like them.

They're not real art. They're all of this stuff here. The reality is that there was a point where we were getting to that we were in, should I say, were all of the black films that were coming out of Hollywood were Tyler Perry films. There's nothing wrong with Tyler Perry films. They're entertaining to a lot of people. Tyler Perry's a billionaire, right?

But it can't all be Tyler Perry. Sure. If it's all Tyler Perry, then there's capture there. And TMZ can exist and does exist, but it can't all be TMZ. Right? You can't all be that. And I think we're getting to a point in hip-hop media where it's all that. To where there's nobody that just does an interview with the artist to where I get to learn more about the artists.

And I get to learn more about the journey of the artist where they talk about rap. They talk about this. There used to be places that would do that. Rap Radar used to do that, places like that. But those places are kind of gone. And some of those people have moved on to different eras of their career, right? But the hip-hop morning shows,

the Breakfast Club or Joe Button, which is essentially like a morning show now, the Joe Button show, all of them have a wide variety of things that they talk about pop culture stuff. That stuff has to exist. It's really important for the ecosystem. But also what's really important for the ecosystem is somebody sitting down and taking the music

super seriously. Because it's a high and elevated art form. So that's it. When I see the hip hop awards, I don't want the hip hop awards to be stuffy because it's not hip hop. I don't want the hip hop awards to be upper crust, but that's not hip hop.

But I do want people to take hip hop as an art form and as a form of expression with its cultural history, its cultural present, and its cultural future. Like seriously, like really super fucking seriously to where these conversations are about the music, the condition, the state of hip hop, what's good.

Because these people, these country music people that was mad about Beyonce, I think there was some racism in that type of shit. For sure. I think there was some all kinds of shit in there. But there also was a part about that to where they just take their thing so fucking seriously,

so seriously. They take it so culturally important to them that they're like, we don't think you should just be able to come do it without coming to Nashville and saying, what's up to everybody? So would, and so in your world with the HHA then, and they're being this prestige, right? And it wouldn't be rooted in the same things that,

to your point, that, like a CMAs or an ACA had with, or AMA, whatever it's ACA, what they had with Beyonce, would you include a Jack Harlow, an Ian? Well, I think the questions get asked about artists like that. Every artist, in my opinion, every artist in some way has to justify their existence

in the thing that they are creating, right? Every artist. Like Marvel movies, which make ridiculous amounts of money, they have to justify themselves and their existence being next to movies made by Scorsese. movies made by Spike Lee, they have to justify themselves as actual filmmaking. They have to say, hey, I know that this is a lot of popcorn stuff,

but is this a two-hour theme part that we're watching? Or is this an actual film that has something to say, as we are exploring all different parts of filmmaking, if you are an artist and you're putting art out there and your art is a part of an artistic infrastructure, people are going to ask you about your inspirations to make that art, but they're also going to ask you where your art falls in the part of the larger artistic expression that's happening.

And if you just rapping, if the reasons why you are rapping, if people call those reasons into question, if it's a hustle for you, if it's just something to do for you, then people who have said, I'm a live and die for hip hop, they're going to have questions. Sure. And if country music is the music that you were given

and that you loved and you are country to the bone, it's people that when you make a country album, they're going to ask questions about why are you doing this? Are you just trying to ride our wave and take our shit? And asking questions is fine. It's then when you start putting all the other stuff in, like the racism when it came to Beyonce, that it becomes a problem.

And I think... Well, to me, I think they were asking the wrong question. I don't think they know the history of your own shit. No, and that's correct. A nigga pick up a banjo. He earned that banjo. As we saw, no, as we saw on when Shibuzi and I don't know, the white country singer, the girl were sitting there presenting an award and she goes, we have to thank and she named these people, this family as the history or creating country music and that was not true. And he looks at her like, what are you talking about?

They don't know their history. You're right. They're not asking the right question. So I'm just saying all this, I think elevated discussions about all of this. By the way, this is not like these organizations don't. exist. These organizations exist in hip-hop. They do. Organizations that are dedicated to studying hip-hop. Hip-hop is studied at colleges, at HBCUs, at Ivy League schools. It's studied. I just think that we should, in a centralized pop culture way, with all the voices in hip-hop, the new media voices, the

prestige legacy voices, all of that come together to really take hip-hop. pop seriously and not let it become something that is just a capitalistic machine that is controlled and dictated by the record labels. Yeah. And that's to me, it's kind of what's happening. Kind of. It's out of control. This episode is brought to by WeatherTech.

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And Megan Kelly said that this is the opposite of the Sydney-Sweeney. Quite clearly, there is nothing natural about Beyonce. Everything from her image to her fame, to her success, to her look below is bought and paid for. Screams, artificial, fake, enhanced, trying too hard. Jesus. What the fuck? Oh, my God. Megan Kelly is a white cantice Owens to me.

I look at them as one and the same. It had a little beef going on a couple of things ago. I know, but it's like, because they see each other. I think that they are the same person. I look at them as both as grifters. When I look at their trajectory and I look at how they got where they are and where they are now,

I look at them as people who are willing to sacrifice it all in the name of likes, views, and getting subscribers. They are addicted to the attention They are addicted to having success in mainstream media or in media period, and they're willing to do whatever it takes to get that. They are one and the same for different reasons, but they're one and the same to me. When I look at Megan Kelly and I look at her as somebody who was a lawyer, who then worked at Fox, who then famously questioned Trump about his misogynistic and sexist, past comments,

related to women, got a lot of attention on that, specifically even more so because of how he responded to her when he was talking to Don Lemon and he was like, did you see the blood in her eyes? She was bleeding from everywhere. Then she takes that moment and she's able to be turned into a darling on NBC, grossly overpaid. That bombs like crazy. And then she also outs herself for being a racist because she wants to defend blackface and doesn't understand why it's such a problem. And then from there, she takes that moment to then find this newfound public media persona where she creates this, where she creates culture wars and she does

stuff for attention to create this Trump-loving MAGA media audience. That is Megan Kelly. Then Megan Kelly endorses Trump and says, quote, that he's a protector of women. When he dog you, you've questioned him on dogging other women. He has this sorted past of making all these, which she's acknowledged, very misogynistic sexist remarks about women. He has been held liable, found liable for sexual assault. And you attach yourself to Trump because the whole purpose of it for you is to gain an audience, which she has successfully done. done, millions of people listen to her, watch her every day, and she stands for nothing. What she stands for is the attention and becoming mainstream. That is very similar to Candace Owens. So much so that

she's willing to flip-flop and go back and forth as this one person who was known for standing up to Fox and talking about the sexual harassment that she suffered at the hands of Roger Ailes and then questioning Trump on his own past with women, negative past, and now she's like Trump is somebody who looks after women. I just, I look at her and I'm like, even with the Sydney-Sweeney thing, right? Earlier this year, she was saying, I don't understand what the big deal is about Sidney-Sweeney. She's just a girl who has big breasts.

I'm paraphrasing, but that's what it was. She's like, she's getting all this attention because of the way she looks because she has big breasts. Now what is she doing? She's seeing that there's this culture war. So she's going to rile her audience up by talking about Sydney-Sweeney and saying how, people are attacking her for her whiteness. She's using it as a defense to say,

why are white people always on the attack? Because that's what her audience loves. And then she piles on top of that by now saying, let me go after Beyonce, which will incite my audience even more when it's not rooted in anything that's factual or true. That is who Megan Kelly is. She is the white Candace Owens.

So, I mean, Megan Kelly aside, like, I think the last thing that you said to me is the most important is just when I watched it or saw it or whatever, the thing that I was thinking is like, well, it's like I always think of things in terms of like how people like Megan Kelly look at the actual issues that they claim to espouse, right?

Because what Megan Kelly said about Beyonce is just not true. Right. Right? So like, so everything else about her and all of her stuff is this is not true. Is it, Beyonce is like the most American story. Like Beyonce, a combination of Alabama and Louisiana starts performing when she is Texas. 11 or 12 years old. Well, I mean, she lives in Texas, but the people came from other places they settled in Texas,

whatever. She's Houston. She can have, Houston. Y'all can have her. It's fine. Whatever. She's Houston. Stoney her mom is from Atlanta.

Louisiana, her dad's when I was saying herself. But she starts performing literally when she's 11 or 12 years old. She takes ballet. She takes dance. She takes singing lessons. She is a superstar in what she's doing. By the time Megan Kelly starts her career in media. Megan Kelly starts her career in media in 2003.

By the time Megan Kelly got into media, she started. In 2003, Beyonce was already a superstar. Already a superstar. Everything that she got, she earned. That is the thing that's interesting to me. To look at Beyonce now and say that everything that she got is bought and paid for is a historical.

And this is the thing that always gets me about these types of people with this type of commentary. Everything she's just said, beyond her cult of personality, which I take everything that you say, it's true, it's just not, it's a lie. Yeah. It's like, Beyonce goes from being a kid, going on fucking Star Search,

getting a record deal, making hit records, having Destiny's Child rebrand, getting rid of the two girls, and then bringing in more people, having Destiny's Child rebrand, then getting rid of one of those people, going solo,

becoming the biggest solo star in the world, working her ass off as a solo star, reinventing herself, then having real actual celebrity scandal type issues surrounding her, working through all of those, continuing to put out music, continuing to challenge herself,

and becoming a real deal, 24-carat gold diamond American success story. Don't get no more American. if that's really what American is. If American is coming from nowhere, getting your shit together working hard, using your talent, maximizing your talent,

and getting to a spot in the world where your talent is now keeping you and other people afloat, you're hiring people to run your shows, you're hiring management, you're hiring dancers, all of these people are eating and becoming and figuring their selves out off the economic engine that is provided to them by Beyonce.

What we're told all the time is that's the core American dream. That that's what it is. American exceptionalism mixed with super hard work, mixed with all, and then you become something, and then other people are a part of that, then they become something.

That's America. We're told that that's America. And then Megan Kelly, when you put Beyonce up against Sidney Sweeney, says, well, Sydney Sweeney is all of these actual things. And Beyonce, I'm not looking into Sidney, whatever, I'm sure she's earned everything she's gotten too. And Beyonce is actually none of it. It's all bought and paid for.

It's all fake. It's all this. No, it's just not true. Yeah. It's literally not true. It's just not an actual thing that happened. It's a weird way to look at it. And when I see that type of shit, I always wonder, it's like, there's actually no way for someone, there's no way for us to become, to actually live up to the ideals that these other people say that they care about.

Like, if you were to care about someone maximizing their talent, being savvy, being savvy from a capitalist standpoint, fucking Megan Kelly should love Beyonce. Beyonce is one of the shrewdest capitalists, one of the shrewdest creators, one of the shrewdest talent and business movers that exist in the culture today. But she's black. Well, so the fact that she's black means that in some way,

all of the sweat equity that she's put in, all of the hard work that she's put in, all of the this on top of this on top of this, then seeing this, then moving this, House of Daryon jeans, Beyonce, always got something to sell you. There's always something there. She's doing the thing that they say that she's supposed to do,

but it can't actually be merit-based or it can't actually be rooted in something that's actually awesome because she's not like Sidney-Sweeney. She's not as white as what Sidney-Sweeney is. So Megan Kelly being who she is and all of that stuff, I get it. But like,

It's just a lie. But that's the point. The point in me talking about who we first met Megan Kelly as to where she is now is to show that none of it is rooted in anything and is meaningful. I don't even know if it is because Beyonce is black or if it's just because she knows that it's clickbait and it's the low-hanging fruit in order for her to get the attention because her audience right now is a racist MAGA audience. That my whole point Why would it be Because Beyonce is black But my whole point

But I'm saying that I don't believe No she's yes My point is Is that I don't believe That she believe Even believes The things that she's saying

She does it For the purpose of clicks and views That's my point I don't know why we do that But but I Let me say something Wait wait

Wait wait let me finish I don't I agree with you And what you're saying But I'm I guess The reason The big picture And the reason I brought it out

That way Is because I'm trying to say is at one point she stood for this, but then when that failed, she latched onto something else. And I can give that example as plainly as Sidney. You were just talking bad about her.

Oh, but now she can be a face of white supremacy as people have made her with this culture war with the jeans at. Not that Sidney's doing that, but that's what people are doing on her behalf. They're celebrating her whiteness. This is great for Megan Kelly and the audience that she's building.

in. I don't even think she believes in it, is my point. She also was beef with Beyonce because Beyonce used her in a montage in an embarrassing way during her Cowboy Carter audience. She does. Yeah. So this is what I'm saying. Whether or not people believe the shit that they're saying, I get what you, I completely understand what's going on. I get it. I get it. Whether or not people believe the shit that they're saying to me no longer matters. I just care whether or not the shit is true. Like, if you would have said something, if Megan Kelly would have came back and said,

Beyonce Carter Knowles It stands for capitalism and blah blah blah blah And would have actually made Like a determination Like if she actually had a take If there was actually a way that she would have criticized Beyonce That was salient and intelligent And it made sense

And use that to undergird her Sidney-Sweeney versus Beyonce thing or whatever. There are people that have come out that says Beyonce is blonde and is Levi's ad and she's in jeans. There is a conversation to be had about the beautification, the beauty standard, all of that.

There are people who if they wanted to be really spicy could have conversations about whether or not Sidney-Sweeney in that ad, whether or not there are a bunch of women who are non-white, who are actually seeking that aesthetic, sometimes by the way that they dress. And sometimes by the things that they do to their hair and their body.

And we could have a conversation about that and about why that is and about how that undergirds all it is and about how even when we criticize something like that, then there are people, gigantic cultural figures who are then like participating in it. And not to excoriate those people, but just to have a conversation about why that beauty standard exists in the first place and whether or not it should change and how things went when we, tried to change it to the point that you were making in a past podcast. All of that would be actually smart. This is dumb.

All of that would be smart and the savvy movers that are on the side. This is just stupid. This is just straight up dumb. Either she always started reading the book of Beyonce in 2015. I don't know if she wasn't around for no, no, no. Or if she didn't hear about bills, bills, bills. Or she never saw the Star Search stuff. If she never seen the document.

I don't know if she knows. but saying that Beyonce didn't earn it, that's just not true. That's the thing she probably does know. She just doesn't care about putting the truth out there. That's the part about it that I'm not, yeah, that's the part about it that I'm not litigated. I just looked at this and I was like,

damn, Meg, you, it's not that you sound bitter or racist or anything. You sound like an idiot. You sound like you're not up on it, which I at least expect worthy adversaries to be participating in the race. her. Those days are gone for her. She's been sold out now. Yeah. I don't know, man. It's just, it's tough. You can't say Beyonce not a hard worker. You can't say Beyonce didn't earn it. Whatever you want to say about Beyonce, hard worker didn't earn it, bought it all, didn't go get it. That's not true.

That's, that's bullshit. What else we got, Donnie? Let's switch to some legal stuff. Biddy's attorney, Nicole Westmoreland, spoke to CNN. And she said that they've been in contact with the Trump administration about a possible pardon. This is what she had to say. People in Sean Combs's orbit, have they had conversations with the Trump administration? Yes. My understanding is that we have reached out. Reached out is one thing. Having a conversation is another. Do you know if there have been active conversations about a pardon?

Yes, it's my understanding that we've reached out and had conversations and reference to a pardon? President Trump, when he was asked about this pardon, he said, quote, I was very friendly with him. I got along with him great, and he seemed like a nice guy. I didn't know him well, but when I ran for office, he was very hostile, and the president indicated that a pardon is likely not on the table because of that break in his relationship with Mr. Combs years ago.

How is he feeling now about the chances of a pardon given the president, given the president's commentary. I think that Mr. Combs is a very hopeful person. And I believe that he remains. I'm over. Trump is a businessman at the end of the day. And so is ditty. And I think that, yeah, Trump is bothered by the fact, again,

same way I said about Gail earlier in the show. People he cozied up with before he decided to run for president. He's disappointed that those same people, didn't keep that same energy. So as he's expressed about Diddy, but I think if the right deal came about where they were able to, we already know Diddy's wants a pardon,

he's seeking a pardon, so that means he's desperate to get Trump to grant that. I think he's willing to do whatever. And I think if the right business deal makes sense to Trump, and Diddy agrees, which I don't know why he wouldn't,

they'll get his pardon. You know who Emperor Palpatine is? You know what I did? No. Donnie. You know who Emperor Palpatine is? Yeah, I do. Donnie, tell Rachel who Emperor Palpatine is.

Emperor Palpatine is the leader of the empire in Star Wars. First I was like, oh my gosh, who is this person? And then I'm like, oh, okay. Why are you blowing a raspberry in Emperor Papatine? Because I was like, wait, who is this emperor that I don't know of? And then I realized it was fictional. He's a fictional emperor. He represents real things.

Okay. He had a tough life. Not really. So who does the emperor represent in this? I'll tell you. He represents Trump and let me tell you. So Chief Palpatine grew up

as an aristocrat on Nabu. So where he's from. On the boo? No. Nabu. Oh. Okay. It's a planet.

Right? was a kid doing all kinds of crazy stuff. A blight on House Palpatine, just being crazy. When he was a kid, he caused a speeder accident that killed some people. His father had to cover it up. His father had to cover it up. He said, what's wrong with you kid? Whatever, but he could get things covered up because he came from a very wealthy family.

Well, one day, Chief Palpatine starts to notice something about himself. He is particularly powerful. in the dark side of the force. The dark side of the force. Passion, power, all of that stuff. Chief Papalteen, he just, he's communing with the dark side. He's one of the most powerful force uses in the history of the galaxy, right? He's like, ah!

He takes on a master, a guy named Darth Plagueus, real name Hugo Damasque. And then he gets trained on how to be the biggest force of evil. in the universe. And when he gets to his pinnacle of evil, you know what he realizes? What? Power can be turned. So whenever Chief Palpatine

actually sees someone that is powerful in the force, that is a rival, he does not think about straightaway killing them. He always thinks about turning them. Always. As a matter who it is, If it's a young Anakin Skywalker who is already a Jedi, who's already a Jedi, he's a Jedi,

he's already one of the forces that is fighting against Emperor Palpatine. Emperor Palpatine looks at him and plays the long game to get Anakin Skywalker to turn. And who does Anakin Skywalker become, Rachel? Come on. For $100 million, Rachel. Who does Anakin Skywalker become when he turns bad? Come on, Rachel, you got it. You know it.

You know how to, Rachel, I know you know. Boom! That's what I'm talking about, Rach, because you know what's popping. He becomes Darth Vader, and that's not the last person that she, Palpatine, would turn. It's actually not even the first.

He would turn, he would turn Count Dukal. He would turn, Darth Mall. Darth's born pretty bad. My point is this. When true evil and power meet, when they're up against someone, the first thing they think is how can I use them? Diddy is dripping even still, even still,

Diddy is dripping in cultural power. It would be the only reason why people are so overly invested into Diddy and to this case and into all of it. Obviously, women being abused and women being trafficked and women being harmed, we're always going to care about that if we're decent. But we're specifically going to care about it. if the people that are doing it were at one point meaningful to us for any reason.

D. To Trump is a powerful ally if turned. If Trump can actually bring Diddy over to the Sith side of it, Ditty is thinking, Trump is thinking about what could happen. Could I have white parties at Mar-a-Lago? Could I get Diddy to go out and speak on my behalf to some of the whole, hold over Negroes who are still looking up to him. What could I use Diddy for?

The truly powerful, the truly powerful and corrupted people are always looking for someone that they can corrupt. They're looking for the next ally to get the next thing. And I'm telling you right now, if he sees any type of way that he can bring Diddy over to the Sith side, to the dark side, he will do it. And 2026 will be the year. of Maga Diddy.

You will see Maga Diddy everywhere. You'll see Magadiddy on the radio. You'll see Magadiddy on TV. You'll see Diddy will have to come out and do a public mea copa about why he was wrong with Donald Trump. He'll sell Donald Trump. And it doesn't matter what Diddy's been through.

It doesn't matter what we've seen. Think about some of the other people that are around Donald Trump in his aura and his orbit. He got literal fucking Nazis with him. He got literal Nazis with him. You got literal Nazis with him. He thinks he gives a shit.

about what happened to Cass, he doesn't care about that. He cares about what he can use DD for. He's going to do it. I'm telling you guys right now. Chief Palpatine, he looks at everyone. How can I turn him? Do they have the force?

How can I turn them? How can I turn them? How can I turn them? I have a question. Now, this is a little unrelated. I agree with you. It's a great example. See, like, when you tell stories like this,

it makes me interested in Star Wars. Like, you're a good story, tell her. I'm like, oh, like, that sounds really cool to see. But there was a question and it's not related. But I'm sorry. And I know you're going to roll your eyes when I ask this. But I kept thinking

it when you were talking because I got caught up on the word force. When they say, may the force be with you? Yes. Is that a good force or an evil force? Huh.

Depends on who's saying it. Okay. So, It wasn't a bad question. Not at all. Now, typically I'll say this. Typically, I'll say this. So the force... What is it?

As it exists... What is the force? Yeah. So the force is essentially the life-binding entity that governs the universe. You could think of the force as God, but it's really more democratized than that. It's not a central entity. The force binds the universe together. It holds the universe together.

It holds the universe. This whole time I thought it was like a lightsaber, but keep going. Right. It holds the universe together, right? It can be, but the force has a will. And if you are living correctly, if you can be in tune with the force, in tune with the force, what you're supposed to do is live to the will of the force, what the force wills.

You're working for the will of the force. Typically, when people say, may the force be with you, that is coming from an altruistic place. They're saying, may the force guide you in making the best decision of yourself? Or may the force help you in doing the thing that you are supposed to do, right? May the force help you, right? Whatever. You don't hear Sith.

There are dark side force users because the force has a dark side. There's the light side of the force. It's the dark side of the force. Balance. Dark side force users don't typically say, may the force be with you. They don't typically say that. However, they respect. and bend still to the power of the force.

Like, Darth Vader, early on in Star Wars goes, don't underestimate the power of the force. Like, the force is still something greater than Palpatine. It's something greater than Vader. Whatever the dark side user is, whomever it is, they realize that the force is greater than, that's why, that's why, Rachel, they take particularly strong force users so seriously.

because they look at someone and they go, hey, you guys don't think that the force could actually fuck us up. Force could fuck us up and that person can wield the force and bend the force to their will. So rather than just kill them, maybe we should bring them over to us.

And honestly, I don't think that's that much different than the powerful people in the United States. It's not that they don't believe in culture. It's not that they don't believe in transactionality. is that they want to use it for themselves. Trump understands how powerful culture is. He gets it. He knows it.

He gets how powerful a catchphrase is, how powerful a saying is, how powerful all that stuff is. He gets it. He understands it. He knows it, knows it completely. Gets it. That's why he's always looking to add

cultural Sith users, cultural dark side users to his team. So the force is good and bad. All right. but it's a force of, it's a force of good in the universe, but there's a dark side. It's a side, it's just pure passion, whatever,

but you have to have both sides. Okay. I'm on Star Wars. Star Wars, I can't believe, hey, I'll be honest with you, Rach, plus a hundred for the Anakin Skywalker, Darth Vader thing. I don't know if fucking Donnie told you.

No, Donnie did not tell me. But I mean, that's the darkest person that I know in Star Wars. Now, you asked me to name five people. Jesus crazy Say that's your boozy You asked me to name five people Have you asked me to name five people in Star Wars before?

I feel like maybe you did Yeah, I don't want to I think I did no no no I killed it You actually told me named like 10 I think I got like seven You said Raja Binks that one time No that was for the D.C

That was for No No no no no no That was for Roger Binks No no That's Star Wars No but that's not who

No I said Raja Binks, I created my own character, but you were asking me to name the Justice League. And you said Raja Binks? Raja Binks was the Justice League? I was thinking Raja Gould. Oh, and I...

For some reason, I thought Raja Binks was when you were thinking about Jar Jard Binks. It wasn't. No, I combined Jar Jax Binks who... I don't even know where he comes from, but I know he's a thing. And I... Star Wars. Okay, I combine him and Raja Gul,

and I said Raja Binks. But you don't see it. It's just funny though, because I'm sure you've seen Batman Begins, but if someone asked you to name DC characters and you think about Rajagool, it's just funny. Well, I got stuck because you asked me to name the Justice League and then I said Batman and then I said Robin. You were like, not really. And then I was like, well, Catwoman. He was like, no. And I couldn't get out of the Batman world.

So I just kept naming Batman people. That's what happened. All right, what you got, Donnie, come on. This episode is brought to you by Sweet Green. The day doesn't ask for permission. Lunch window? Gone before you saw it coming. You deserve a break that actually satisfies.

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And this is just going to be super quick, but I have to report on this just because Well, no, I have to talk about it because we've been talking about gerrymandering. We've been talking about redrawing the maps and redistricting. And there's a court, there's a case right now that the Supreme Court has agreed

to listen to. So this case, they could have listened to it this last term and they punted it, which we see them do a lot. They said, No. But on Friday, which they did it on purpose, right? When you're trying to hide something, you announce it on a Friday. Did you, did you, is this? Because I feel like that was a thing too when I was working for extra. It was like if people wanted something to disappear into the weekend and on Monday the news cycle restarts, they announced it late on a Friday, hoping that it won't get as much attention. It was also holidays. They would do it. Like right before 1st of July or Thanksgiving or something like that. But Fridays was just. Right. So the Supreme Court announced that they want to hear this case. This case comes out of your state, Louisiana. And so they... Louisiana was an agenda. You just, you just, I knew there was an agenda. You just, you're sick of Texas taking the heat. You want to talk about this

so bad. I'm telling you, Rachel, you guys, y'all don't even know. Rachel was on a group text, like we're sitting out the topics and Rachel was like, yeah, we got to. to talk about it. I'm like, yeah, go for it. No, it's so relevant right now. Because when they do, like, they've decided to hear this case, it's important. It probably won't come out. They won't, their decision won't come out until 2026,

but it's possible that it could come out prior to the summer of 2026, which means if they have this decision, then they can redraw the maps in time for the midterms in 20206. So this is really important because it's super relevant. Okay, so when they announced that they would

Hear this case. They asked the parties to submit briefs on, quote, whether the states, Louisiana, intentional creation of a second majority minority congressional district violates the 14th or 15th amendments of the Constitution. So the thing with this case is it's Louisiana versus Kaleas. Kale, I'm not sure how to pronounce that. How you spell it? C-A-L-I-S. Calais.

Oh, okay. Calais. Louisiana versus Calais. So the reason this case came about is the state's population is one-third black. So after the 2020 census, which is when they're supposed to look at redrawing these maps, which is the issue in Texas, which James Tilarico broke down very nicely. There were six seats to draw, and there was only one majority black district. Two courts, so they decided to draw a second one. Two courts found that the map that they drew, violated the Voting Rights Act mandate that minority voters have an equal opportunity to elect representatives of their choice. So the legislature drew a new map. This is where they added two black majority minority districts. Just recently this happened like a couple of years ago. Yes. A lot of people were talking about who's going to run for the seat.

Right. So there's six seats. But a third of the state is black. But there was only one district that was representative. So they drew a second one in response to the 20th century. MAP, which is what they're supposed to do and legally under the Voting Rights Act. But, and this is what we see happening, this is why it's important, a group of non-black voters argued that considering race and creating that second majority minority district violated the

equal protection clause of the 14th Amendment. And this is important because this is what we're seeing non-black people do. They're twisting the 14th Amendment. We've seen it with affirmative action. we've seen it in how what was our Bloom guy, Ed Bloom, not our guy, but Ed Bloom is the, he's one of the people taking this and saying, well, hey, this isn't creating equal protection for non-minority, for non-blacks. So they're taking it and they're twisting it and saying, well, it's discriminatory in nature and it violates the equal protection laws. Well, before the Supreme Court was like, we're not going to hear this case. They upheld two other courts who, decisions who upheld the fact that it was okay to create the second district. They decided not to rehear it. Now they're decided or they decided not to hear it.

Now they are hearing the case and they specifically asked them to submit arguments based on this section two. Blum, Blum. Yeah. They're asking them to submit arguments based on this section of the Voting Rights Act. Now, we've seen the Voting Rights Act attack a number of times. since it's been passed. We talk about what is the Holder case? Shelby versus Holder.

Thank you. Shelby versus Holder that eliminated a certain part of the Voting Rights Act, which was created to give minorities blacks a voice, black and brown people, a voice when it comes to a place in Congress and to reflect the citizens of the state. Sure. So now they're trying to get rid of this piece of creating these majority minority districts which would allow them, if they are able to eliminate it and not consider race, when they're redrawing the map,

you'll have what you're having in Texas. Whereas James Tolariko described it as packing these districts or cracking up these, packing and cracking is what he said. So they will redraw to where they will put all these minorities in a district to eliminate these majority minority districts and it takes a seat away. So that's the case that they're going to be hearing And we know that under this Roberts Court, that this new court that's been created under President Trump, that they more likely than not, as we've seen in other cases like affirmative action, are going to say that this violates the current way that this is, Section 2 of the Voting Rights Act, violates the Equal Protection Clause.

And they'll win and they'll be able to redraw these maps in the way that we're seeing in Texas, which is not representative. of the citizens of Texas. There are the way that they're trying to redraw the map in Texas, which James talked about, it's like they'll have 78% of the seats. So like 30 out of 38 seats will go to Republicans. So the fact that they can gerrymander and divorce black people from political and voting power in these states

is one thing we've seen them try to do this in Texas. But essentially what you're saying is, They're about to reconsider the guts of the Constitution, the actual guts of it, to make sure that they have a pathway to really neuter the Voting Rights Act nationwide. Right. So if the court makes the wrong decision here, we are in fucking trouble.

Right. Depending on how, Republican governors and Republican politicians choose the gerrymander in the rest of these states. They can legitimately take the power of the black vote in Republican-controlled states away. Exactly. If the Supreme Court rules wrong here. And they've been doing it. I mean, Texas, they already have 66% of the map drawn in their favor.

And now they're trying to increase it to 78 with the additional adding of those five seats and redrawing it. So it's not representative of the people who live in this. this state. It's them cheating, which you hear them, you're hearing people say time and time again, they're cheating in order to rig the midterms because that's what they have to do because that's the only way they can win at this point. The gerrymander itself obviously isn't new. They gerrymander all the time. I think the fact that being able to challenge a gerrymander based on racial inequality, that that might be gone is obviously chilling. The court is now a they're going to, they're going to

They're going to hear it. And they're specifically want to pay attention to the section that allows for majority minority districts. That's what they ask them to submit their briefs on. That's the parties who are involved in this case. So they're specifically going to be looking at this. And it's just important because we know how important this 2026 midterm is. We're already seeing mandates from President Trump saying, find me more seats and states responding accordingly.

And now he might not even have to do that. If the Supreme Court decides, hey, we're going to do away with this because it violates the 14th Amendment, then these states are going to be able to draw these maps however they want to. And Texas is a Republican-led state, so they're going to draw it in their favor. So when are they looking to hear this? So usually it would be the decision wouldn't come. I can't say when they're going to hear it, but usually the decision would come. in the summer of 2026, especially like a big one like this

because they would want to, I should say the next summer. They should want, they don't, you know, they usually do all these like big decisions and then they break. I read something that said,

they're already asking for the briefs to be submitted by a certain time, which means they could hear it as early as this year, which means a decision could come out prior to the midterms. I don't know if they're going to do that.

The court's on its own schedule, but it is possible with whatever deadline they gave for the submission of the briefs that they could hear it hear it and decide prior to the midterms which would then give them the power

to redraw the maps before voting in the midterms for 2026. They'd have to go quick. They'd have to go quick and they might not. But even if they don't get it for 2026,

the point is that it's chilling to your point because it'll have lasting effects and when we'll be able to challenge it, you can't under this court. They change the Constitution. You know what I mean? So essentially...

The Voting Rights Act was created with the vision of equality. It was created for a specific purpose that was not, didn't exist in this country prior to 1965. And what's so twisted about what these, these non-black people who are challenging this is they are using the very law that was created for equality to say, hey, it's now discriminatory against us. But then the purpose that you're using it for is to empower you in a way that discriminates

against other people. I just wish the Supreme Court would see it in that way. Two other courts upheld this Louisiana case. The Supreme Court has an agenda. I would correct. I'm just saying I wish they would actually do their job and not put their personal bias into it. Two other courts upheld what was happening these maps

and allowed for this district to exist, a second district, to be reflective of the people who live in this state. But the Supreme Court is not of the people. The Supreme Court, as it stands, is of promoting their own self-interest and bias. And their allegiance to the cult, which is matter. You know how I feel about, you know how I feel about the Supreme Court historically. Yes, I know.

More often than not, from the people that brought you, the Dred Scott decision. You love to say Dred Scott. You should just go to law school for a little bit. Just take a night class. Like, I'm just saying there's more, you know, I'm really. Red Supreme Inequality we had going on here. So there are more cases that, you know, I can bring up because he goes through all the cases.

Read Supreme Inequality. Great book. But like, Supreme Court has traditionally been not a bastion. Because traditionally this country has been racist. So there you go. And the reason it's been able to do that is because of the land of the law. The law of the land, I mean. Great breakdown, rage.

Fantastic. Fantastic. I mean, Louisiana hatred is. side. Fantastic. Well, I threw Texas in there too. Donnie, I sent you a music file. I want you to play it right now.

So creepy. Guys, there's something we have to discuss. Something happened in the WNBA. Dildo tossing. Rachel, you've heard of this, have you not? Unfortunately, yes.

What's happened is three different times July 29th, 2025, August 1st, 20205th, August 5th, 2025. Green dildos have been thrown on the court at WNBA game. You know, it's been happening, and people have been wondering about the safety of the players.

They've been wondering about what this means in terms of what people are saying about the league by throwing these dildos on the court. But they always say they are throwing. throwing dildos on the courts. They, them, niggas. Always some amorphous group of people who are acting on their own accord. Throwing dildos on the court.

I don't believe that. That's not what I do. I don't believe. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Rachel, I need you to, I need you to, Rachel. Why are you holding a green dildo? Did you find that while you were in New York? Rachel, focus for a second.

I can't. It's flopping around. Rachel, focus for a second. I don't think. I don't think that this is random. I don't think that this is a random occurrence. I think that this is a conspiracy and an inside job. And I can prove it, Rachel. Will you give me the latitude to prove

where this is coming from and why. I will if you would put the dildo down on the table. C.T. Don't laugh. How long did it take you to find that? Shout out to people at Cherry Box here in New York. I went to get this and they had it ready for me. I was like, do they have green? And he was like, do we have green?

Shout out to the people. So the question for me is, who is the dildozer? Who is the person responsible for this? Is it Delbert Carter, a man that was arrested in Atlanta for throwing dildo in the game? Is it Caden Lopez, a man who was just arrested for throwing a dildo at a game? Is it, are these guys, are these the guys that are making this happen, Rachel, or are these guys Patsy's? For? Somebody else.

You know, people say that it was Lee Harvey Alswald, who shot JFK, got him with the gun. it's in the grassy know whole deal we ask questions we ask questions about who actually and we look at different circumstances and pieces of evidence to piece together what is an incredible conspiracy is is it an incredible conspiracy oh it's an inside job or is it just plain disrespectful rachel we're going to find out who's to blame for this stain this cock stain on the League. All right. July 29th, 2025, Dream versus Valqueries game. First Dilldo thrown on the court and arrested, ejected one-year ban pending charges. August 1st, 2025, Valkyries versus Sky, Chicago, second dildo thrown under the basket, the dildo right under the hoop. WNBA condemnation,

player reactions called it disrespectful like Rachel just did, and it is disrespectful. August 5th, 25, fever versus sparks. Even versus Sparks. Los Angeles, third dildo thrown near Sophie Cunningham. Third Dildo throne near Sophie Cunningham. Might not seem like anything to you guys.

I see evidence and all that information. Of what? Let's take the cities. Okay. Three of the biggest markets in the NBA. Pull out the dick there. People will see it.

Rachel, they'll see that dick. Also note the names of the cities Atlanta, Chicago, Los Angeles. Rachel, what do all three of these city names have in common? I have no idea. Okay, that's because you're looking at the names as they're presented to you. Technically, the city of Los Angeles, the loss just means city of.

So let's take the loss out. What do Angeles, Atlanta, and Chicago, go all have in common. No. We'll come back to that. What about the dates, Rachel? The 29th, the first, and the fifth. They're all odd numbers?

You're with me. Okay. You're with me. This is a numbers game, all right? When you look at it on its face, it means nothing. But what if you add them together, Rachel? 29. Okay, 35.

35 is the number that you get. 35. Interesting. If we go back to the cities, the letters, Angeles, Atlanta, Chicago, that's seven. So you have two numbers. Seven and 35.

It's a regular number, right? Two regular numbers. Two regular numbers. You don't see anything crazy about it. It's seven and 35. Who cares? It's seven and 35. It's just regular numbers.

Who cares, Rachel, doesn't mean anything to you. Except when you realize this. Seven is the exact amount of letters that Caitlin Clark has in the first name. Caitlin, seven letters. Also, 35. The number doesn't mean anything. Except when you realize that 35 is the exact total of Caitlin Clark's career high in the NBA scored against the Dallas Wings last year.

I would say something else, Rachel. Look at the games themselves. Two of the games involve the Golden State Valkyries. I want you to Google something right now, Rachel. Google it on your own. Google this. What team has Caitlin Clark struggled the most against since she came into WNBA? Don't take my word for it.

Rachel, Google it. Google that right now. What team has Caitlin Clark struggled the most against since she came into the WNBA, Google it. Can I, can I get, can I, can I type it first? Struggle. Type it out. Struggled against, she said, Google that, Google that right there.

Google it. Oh my God, look at the answer standing you right in the face. Hmm. Look at the answer standing you right. Oh, my God. AI says that that's the case. AI Google. Sophie Cunningham, right?

Had the dick thrown at her feet. A lot of people might, well, Sophie is, is Kailin Clark's enforcer. Van. Why would she have someone her minions? Why would she have someone throw the... What people don't understand is, since Sophie Cunningham has come to the fever, rotations have been such that Caitlin Clark

has not been playing as well. And there's been talk about this. It's been talking from Sophie. There's been talking from the team. How do we get the rotations and the court... How do we get everybody on the same page with Sophie in the game? Sophie does something like this.

Kaelin Clark, it's different. It's not working out as well as people think it is. Katelyn Clark's on the sideline. The identity of the dildozer is clear. The evidence is clear. Caitlin Clark is dropping dick all over the league. Caitlin Clark, Rachel, Caitlin Clark is the dildozer.

I will say I'm impressed at the dedication, the research, the time that was spent going into finding who the dildozer was, I don't know how you came to it. I don't know how long it took you to do that. But I am impressed. I like conspiracy theory van.

I don't believe you, but I like the conspiracy theory. I can't wait until you get a random phone call where you're on a suspect list because they're going to sex stores figuring out who's buying gring dildos and what time. Because when was that New York game?

The New York game was August 5th? Van, were you or were you not in New York City on August 5th? I wasn't. But look, I'm telling everybody to keep their eyes open. Kaelin Clark, the doildozer, has emissaries everywhere, right? She has emissaries everywhere.

What I would say to people is, think about it. She can't control the conversation on the court anymore, so she wants to control the girth and depth. of the conversation off the court. The dildozer. I see you.

I see you, C.C. And I get it. WNBA players out there, watch out for your feet. Watch out for your faces. Because the dildozer is not going to stop. But I'll stop her. What are you going to do with then now?

I'm going to give it to you. It's for you. I'm okay. Oh, hold on for a second. Wait, before we go, I promise somebody, Before we go, I promise something real quick. Hold on.

Hold on for a second. I know somebody I can give it to. Pause. Hello. Ebony. Yo. How are you, sister? How are you doing?

My sister? I'm doing wonderful, baby. So, Donnie, can we hear Ebony? Can we hear her on the podcast? We're here? Yeah, we got her. Okay. Donnie, be a little bit more excited to talk to my sister.

Tell him. I said hi. Rachel says hello. She says hello. Hey, Rach. Ebony says hello. So, look, Ebony, you're a lesbianic, right?

Yes, Van. You're lesbianic. Elbian, different words. So you have experienced a lot and seen a lot of different dildos over the years. True or false. I've seen a great deal.

Is this what the hell you called me for? Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I have a dildo right here. It's a green one, right? Why do you have a dildo? Well, I have a dildo because I needed it for the segment that we're doing here on higher learning. So I needed it.

So I guess the question is, if a man has a spare dildo, silicone dildo, that he bought for a bit on the show, what would be the best use of the dildo? what would you do with said dildo who could use said dildo and my sister do you want you know what fuck you because I decided to take my break

so I could talk to you I don't have an answer for that question because what she just said is ridiculous you know I told mama I said I knew he was calling me with some bullshit no I think you should take the Dildo and donate it to somebody that's going to use it properly.

And no, do not send me that Dildo. And I mean it. Ebony, I have a feeling that you get a package in the mail. I have a feeling that you're going to get a package in the mail pretty soon. And I want to let you know that if you can't love this Dildo properly, then I don't know that you can love your brother popular. This got a Sussing a couple of it. let me tell you something.

You what you want me to do, you want me to act back Rouge on this podcast and I'm not going to let you do it. If you send that thing to my house, I'm going to throw it in a trash can. You understand? But before you throw it in the trash can, you're going to,

you and the home girl's going to take it for a spin, you feel me? No, bro. What is it that you want for me? Do you have something of substance to discuss with me today? Coralb. God,

damn it you get on my nerves. I knew. it. I knew it was going to be some bullshit. No, don't talk to me about dildos at all. You act like because I'm a lesbian, like we're experts in dildo lore or something. Can I ask you a question? Before we go, because we got to go,

but can I ask you a question? What? Have you seen over, have you held in your hand over 10 dildos? Just answer the question, yes or no? Yes, I have, man. Yes, I have. Yes, I have. Then my nigger, guess what? I have.

You got a deal doctorate. Like you, it's just facts. Get off my phone. Is it over 20? Get off. Man, that's all I'm answering for you. I feel so sorry. I love you.

I love you. Don't send it to Don't send it to Don't. No. No. Don't send it to anybody. Okay. All right. All right.

Bye. Bye. My God. I want to know Kalika's reaction when you come home with that. I can't make it back to L.A. You can't put it in your suitcase? Yeah. Oh, wait, do they take, do they do that?

You gotta go through TSA. You could take a sex toy through TSA. I'm sure you can. Have you ever seen the, the, have you seen Fight Club? No. So, Rachel, I'm gonna tell you something right now. All jokes aside. I'm just being honest with you.

If you haven't seen Fight Club before, you should get your friends together and like have a specific night where you watch Fight Club will blow your fucking mind. Your mind will be blown. It's fucking sensational. It will blow your fucking mind. Your mind will be blown.

You're using that dildo like a stress ball. There's a part. It's actually not the balls part of the dildo. I see what you're doing. You could use it as a stress ball. I'm not familiar. The, the, single woman.

But there's a part on a fight club where he's going through TSA and he says, when, it's like most of the time we think things that rattle are bombs. And he goes, most of the time they're actually dildos. And he goes, when you get a dildo, it's a company policy to never project ownership. You know, so it's a dildo, not your.

Dill Doe. And he looks directly at Edward, nor it is very funny. Anyway, I don't know why I told you that. It's no difference. You don't give a fuck about the movie or any movie that's ever been made. Besides,

um, okay. Well, that's it. We're no more podcasts. We're out here. No more. We're done. We're done.

Dildozer, I see you. We're coming for you. Take 10 caps off. Do not stop learning. I'm Van Layton, Jr. I'm Rachel and Lindsay. Hi, guys.