Higher Learning with Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay - The Yung Miami and India.Arie “Spend Dat” Debate, Plus U.S.-FIFA Controversy

Episode Date: July 7, 2026

Van and Rachel react to the U.S. soccer controversy before discussing Marcellus Wiley’s arrest and the "America250" celebration in D.C. Plus, will Diddy get a pardon thanks to Trump? And the song of the summer sparks a debate. (0:00) Intro (35:07) The U.S.-FIFA controversy (51:15) Marcellus Wiley’s arrest (1:03:47) "America250" celebration (1:19:08) Will Trump pardon Diddy? (1:28:41) India.Arie, Yung Miami, and the “Spend Dat” debate (1:42:40) "White and Proud" Facebook group takeover Hosts: Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay Producers: Donnie Beacham Jr. and Jade Whaley Social Producer: Bernard Moore Video Supervision: Chris Thomas and Jacob Cornett Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Yo, yo, yo, thought warriors. What is up? Higher Learning is on and is I, Van Lathen, Jr. And it's me, Rachel and Lindsay. Grand Platner has canceled a campaign event. It says it's for unclear reasons. The cancellation comes as polls are testing other candidates against Collins, while rumors continue to circulate about a possible new scandal involving Grand Platner.

There can be no new scandal with Grand Platner. The next scandal is likely going to be the last scandal. He's been very... And you think so? I think he's been very scandal proof. Yeah, he has. It would be tough. It would be tough.

The scandals can't keep on coming. No. The next thing that would be a scandal for him at this point is if they choose not to support him. Which they're going to. I'm just saying if they like for some reason are like... When you say they... Democrats, Democrats, which they're not going to. Well, you feel like it's the...

No, there's support... I mean, like the party is supporting him. The Democratic point? Are they not? Is Bernie not behind him? Well, yeah, the Democratic Party. I guess the left-le-in-side. I guess what you say, when you, yeah, that's very important

when you say that, we say it like that. I think that the center of the Democratic Party views Grand Platner and his ilk as some sort of insurgency and that it is particularly the left of the party that is in support of Grand Plattener, but the center of the party would be very happy, I think, if Grand Platner flamed out. I could be wrong about that.

What do you think, Bernard? What do you think, Bernard? No, I get the fuck off the mic. You have a good weekend? It was cool. It was cool. I enjoyed 4th of July. I enjoyed watching soccer.

I'm having so much fun with soccer. Oh, let's get into it. July. Do you say with the accent? Yeah, what did I say? July. July? Or do you say July?

Which one do you use? I'm a nigger man. That's just southern. July. I'm a nigger man from the home of nigger. Well, that goes with fourth of July. I had a good weekend too. What'd you do?

I went to the lake, ranch, lake. Lake, who's Lake? Who's the ranch? Just friends, a group of friends. It was a lot of people, actually. Random friends went to the lake. Actually, some, yeah, some, actually some more random. I didn't know every single person there.

When you go, was this in West Texas? No, it was outside of Dallas, like an hour outside of Dallas. When you go to the lake with friends in Texas, do you have fear of getting slaughtered? Did you see what happened with the boy in Mississippi? No, I don't want to. to talk about like real life. Well, I mean, well, shit.

You ask me if I get it. I would imagine the reason you asked me that is because of. No, that's not why. It's so weird. No. Why would I have a fear of getting slaughter? Because of horror movies and stuff, not real life tragedies. It's just the lake.

Because that's what, because of in Texas, especially like in like the 2000s and the 2010 or early 2000s. It's a lot of movies, a lot of horror movies. that took place West Texas. And then of course, going all the way back to like Leatherhead and Texas Chainsawr and stuff like that, Jeebers, Creepers, Texas. There's so many people.

Vastxam. I think if it was more, it's, there's other people around. If it was super isolated, not that many people off the grid, I think I would, but this isn't that off the grid. Maybe I would. What you guys do? We had a great time.

We do, it's like you're, I'm totally detached from my phone the entire time. We play games, whether it's like a charades or a fishbow, like Flip Cup. Oh, I know who you're with. Well, I mean, at the lake. I think usually that's what that means. I love Flip Cup, by the way. Floating the lake.

Y'all don't like Flip Cup? That's cool, yes. Sorry. I love Flip Cup. That's one of my favorite games to play. You don't know? Do you know it? Do you play a football?

It's a drinking game. It's like, what? Like, it's all right, cool. When we're with them, you play Flip Club, right? We play Flip Cup when we're hanging out with them. They play Flip. Some of their games are fun. Flip Cup is fun.

Yeah, we play, yeah. It's fun with the right drinks and right friends, yeah. No, it's only beer, right, it's only beer. It's only beer sells. You cannot do straight liquor. That's insane. Oh, you don't do shots? Oh, you know, y'all on another level.

Yeah, you, y'all with the fucking. I haven't played Flip Club. You're going with the Patriot Front. Yeah, of beer. or like a white claw. Oh, no. Oh, shit. That's, that's, that's intense.

Yeah, a little freckles today. What the fuck? I had a freckles to my face today. I had a freckles today. Yo, man, what the fuck is going on? You're on one today. You got, you got energy today. Just wait a second.

Just wait a second real quick. What's happening? There's a lot in the last, what, so you have, so you just. You never seen people. do this? Wait, so you just put, you put on freckles. I put fake freckles on. Okay, it doesn't, it looks good.

I know it does. But like what? This, I never knew about this. Yeah. A lot of people do it. Jade, have you seen it before? Yes. So you just put freckles on.

They do freckles. No, they can't do, you can't do, you do death. They do beauty marks. Beauty marks. I swear to God. This, this, I have a problem. I got to be honest with you. I think this, I don't like this.

I think this is too far. You think freckles is too far? I think freckles has been around for a while. You probably have me, you've probably seen it a lot and not noticed it. Because this is my problem, right, with the freckles thing. By the way, she looks great. I'm not commenting on her appearance and all that.

There is ring her HR, I'm not saying. But this is my problem with the freckles thing. This is my issue with it. I personally think that, you know, you shouldn't be able to be a freckle person on Tuesday and then not have freckles. Okay, okay. Okay, fair.

But freckles is something. But check this out. When I grew up, there's a whole freckles culture. There's a, of girls, girls with freckles, guys with freckles. You, you, this is kind of appropriations. You do realize freckle people cover up their freckles to points where you. Oh, see, that have no idea. It goes both ways.

You can cover it up. You can add up. I get it. I would say it's an embracing of it. It's a choice of freckle people, though, to cover up their freckles. I think it has a usefulness to the face. Just because somebody covers up their. freckles doesn't mean that someone else should be able to like get in on what freckle culture

is. So where's the line for you? Can you do beauty marks? See beauty marks. So beauty marks feels different. I guess from an intellectual standpoint. It's not. Beauty marks feels different though. Because freckle people were their own people. They had like to me, like I said, they had a culture. They had an understanding. They had a whole, there was a freckled life that freckled people have and they understand

girls were freckles cutsy little freckle ladies and then guys with freckles. You know, there's something all, and then like for us to jump in on the freckled thing, it feels,

it also feels, I'll just say this as well before we get off of this. We spent too long on it. Of course, it's my fault. It also feels like like you want to be down with biracial

a little bit. It feels like a biracial. You are so generalizing, like crazy. Racial, freckle, biracial. That's so, I know so many black people with freckles. I'm just making that face because my mom has freckles. Yeah, like, I know so, you are so generalizing right now. You want me to, your mom has freckles.

Do you want to make the revelation? You just made my point. Oh, your mom biracial? Yeah. Thank you. So, so don't even, don't play with me, man. It's just like, br. I know so many.

Don't play with me, man. I know so many monoracial black people with freckles. Oh, shit. Is that one of them right there? Look, um... What is happening? I don't know who that is. But can I just say...

Shout out to them. It's biracial people. Stop emailing me too. Well, you keep on it. You generalize so much about them. So much. Can I read you the email that the bi-racial guy wrote me? No, you shouldn't do it.

You should do it. You should do it. Don't do it. Don't do it. And look. And then also, there were two, it's jokes, but it's jokes.

I am tempted to play, and I'm not going to do it. I am tempted to play. Shout out to all my bi-racial people, man, y'all part, y'all down with us. I am tempted to play this clip

that somebody sent me. And here's the thing about the thought warriors, man. The thought warriors really ain't shit. Because this is the deal. They're the thought warriors that hate me, right? On the Reddit,

like doing all kinds of crazy shit. But then they're the ones that, like, encourage the bullshit. And these, they send me this clip of this movie from like,

the movie's from like 1949. And the parents are telling this guy that they are all Negroes. Somebody sent it to me too. See, you've entertained it. I don't.

I saw it. I was like, mm-mm. Mm-mm. Mm-hmm. It's a true story as well. I saw it. It's like not today.

It's a true story as well. And then I looked up the real family. These niggas are so obviously black that it makes it. It's like, look. 1949. But that, it's like, you can't. You are a Negro. Mom, we're not Negroes.

It was very hilarious. Back to it. Yes, freckles. What else? We had obstacle courses, water slides. What else do we do? It sounds amazing. It's.

Incredible. Yeah. Well, we have like cater food, breakfast, lunch, dinner, and then we always end with a party. Okay. At the end. This is a day's long. This is a festival.

Oh, it goes on. Not a festival, but it's days. I got there Friday. It started Thursday. But the last day is a party. So like a theme, some type of theme party. So this time everybody represented a state, 50 states. Huh.

It was enough. Everybody. There's no like states left out? No, there were states left out for sure. Who's from fucking Wyoming? But it's not where you're from because like Texas, I couldn't do Texas, Louisiana was already taken by the time I got to-

So you have to represent another state? Yeah, people, like, get creative. Get creative. Because so many people would have been the same state. It's like, get creative. Like Tuesday, it was like fun. I was Georgia. So, wait a minute.

And Redja, I stepped up in states. You had to choose a state off the list and like represent in some kind of way. So like somebody did Maine and they had, There was, they were lobsters and somebody did Jersey and they did Jersey Shore. Like you just pick an element of it and you do it. It's very fun. So let me tell you something.

I feel like right now Rachel is trolling me and I'll tell you why. You're really on one right now. Rachel's trolling me because, hey man, I don't come on this podcast not trying to be accepting of what people. I was at a white party on the 4th of July. You know where I go. every single year. Yeah. I couldn't go. And I have fucking a blast there.

Every year we go crazy. That's all I'll say. So what's the problem? You never heard of a themed party? I don't understand what is so difficult to be like everybody dress up as a state. It was so much fun to see how creative people got representing states. I love a themed party.

Okay. So I have heard of a themed party. So let me tell you the themes parties I've been to before. For obviously Halloween. That's not a themed party. party? That's a hot, it's like a day. It's a themed party. It's a themed party.

Are you okay? Halloween is not a themed party? No, it's Halloween. It's a holiday party. It's a holiday party. Can I tell you got something? Can I tell you got something? It's like a Christmas party. I hate to break it to you guys, but that is a theme.

No. I hate to break. Okay, I will agree that you could have a Halloween themed party, not on Halloween. I'm telling you. you guys right now that you guys are right, the theme is the holiday, but the holiday itself is a thing.

So are you doing that everybody? Like I said, I'm telling you all right now that when you have a Christmas party, you're having a Christmas themed party for the holiday spirit of Christmas. Yes, but that's not on Christmas day. That's not

on Christmas day. If you had a Halloween theme party in July, that would be a theme party. That would be a theme party. That's correct. That's correct. I tell you guys so The Christmas party that you go to is never on Christmas guys.

It's December 1st. Well, we're agreeing with you. I know because I'm right. But Halloween's different. Now, Halloween is the same thing. Halloween parties, they do them the week before, they do them the week after.

You're doing a theme party for the season. I don't even want to get into the fucking semantics of it, okay? Okay. I don't get into the semantics of it. You guys agree, you guys don't disagree. So the 50 states thing is weird. That's not what I'm saying.

What I'm saying is the theme party that I've been to, I've been to like a nine. 90s theme party. Okay. Been to a 2000 steam party. Yeah. That's as the creative. That's as creative as you get.

Dress up as your favorite state. It was great. It obviously was because it was around the 4th of July. I know. Rather do that than dress up as like your favorite patriot or something like that. That's the next step. That's not the next step. Next year.

That's not the next step. Next year you're going to go in Sally Hemings. Like you're like that's not funny. That's the next step. step. That's not funny. That's the next step. I'm telling you. Well, nobody dressed like that for their states. How did you represent Georgia? Thank you, Donnie, for the logical question. Well, Donnie wants to, I dressed up in a peach dress. I wore a sash that said Miss Georgia peach. I made a headband crown of leaves for my peach. I, what else did I do? I had a basket

full of peaches that I was passing out. I had peach stickers. and yeah. Man, if I was dressing up as Georgia. And the other girl who did it with me, she did Princess Peach. Oh, okay, Princess Peach from like Mario. Okay, that makes a lot of sense. But there's a way, if I was dressing up,

you should have dressed up. Shout out to Atlanta. You should have put big fluffy shit in the back, big ass, BDL situation. So do you know I thought about this? You should have just bust their head with the, no, being at a majority white party, I thought about this.

I thought about representing that side of Atlanta, like Atlanta, which is a form of Georgia. And I was like, I'm not going to be out here. No, I would have felt like I was like Cooning. Yeah, but see. So I'm like, I'm not going to, I wasn't going to do that. So here's a deal. And this is a.

That would have made me feel weird. I get it. This is, this is the line that you always have to walk when you're in that type of situation. The line you walk is, what is Cooning and what is rubbing their face? in it. And this is the actual line. Because sometimes it feels like when you're in those situations that acquiescing to whatever the theme is or that that's kind of going along with their shit. That's kind of like whatever. But then here's the deal. This is what a lot of people sometimes they don't understand is let's say you decide that you're going to represent

the parts of Atlanta that you think are going to make them uncomfortable. Even your inward usage. When you start dropping your inward around them, you think that's going to make them uncomfortable. Sometimes they like that shit. But see, I don't like that. I get it. I understand.

They actually, that's what they think black people actually are. Right? So the way to do it would be to like have been... I did wear a grill. The way to do it would have been to like come to the party as like Coretta Scott King. See what I'm saying?

You see what I'm saying? Like you come to the party. If they want me to represent Georgia. And what do I say? Then I dress up as Dr. King. And every time you say, and every time they say something, like you address each state's number one racial issue. Only fun for you.

Every time. No fun. You see Florida, let me talk to you a little bit about Rosewood and what happened. You see Oklahoma? my people struggled and then that's the way you do it without giving them because you could just dress up like Big Meach

or something like that and come through like this BMF and nobody, you think you'd explain yourself that it's just I played it right I think you played it perfectly. I really thought about it I was like gonna dress up like a Sierra like on my goodies thing and then I was like that's too much right? It's too then you

I just I know I know how these things go but the thing is always for me is what's the best way to make them a little little uncomfortable so they don't ask you to dress up at Sally Hemmings next next year like they wouldn't like they would not I'm telling you don't put it past them they would not and I wouldn't be there I know you you you wouldn't you wouldn't but that way when you get the Sally Hemmings invitation you're not shocked they wouldn't I think that there are a lot

of people all right well let's talk about your party then you over here talking about my party don't you straight up I tell you straight up if it's a thing you probably wouldn't dress up I tell you straight up well it is it's red white and blue I don't put the Sally Hemmonds I mean's invitation to the party pass, nobody. Because I've seen too many people get Sally Hemings. I've had it happen to me and myself. Wait, wait, wait, what? What?

I never. So remember I told you about the Black Hawk Dishown pitch? Yes. That's what I'm talking about. They get cool enough with you. And then they bring you the movie Black Hawk Dishound. And they think that you're going to be cool with that. They think you're going to go, yeah, let's get a million bucks and go to Antoine

Fuga and try to get it made. So I never put that. It doesn't matter. I never put it past them anymore. It's just too many times. Too many times. Yeah, if the theme had been Anselbellum, pretty sure I would not be there.

But go back and look at that antebellum party where that lady was at. Yeah. It was mad niggas there. Wait, what? For The Bachelor? Yeah. I don't remember, there were no black people in that picture.

It was her sorority. It was niggas at that party. No, there was no party picture. It was a picture. Maybe it was different people that I saw. It was just a picture of her and her sorority and they were all dressed like. I feel like I saw more pictures from that though, but maybe I'm going to conflating two things.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. All right, before we get off pleasantries, which has been amazing, by the way. So you guys, you got on a raft? I'm done. It wasn't a raft. I never got on a raft. I've never got on a raft. These are things that never happened.

And I can already see why you were going here because you are imagining how this trip went in your head. and it went nothing like that. You know who would have had the most fun there? You. Of course. You would have had so much fun. Everybody knows that all of this shit is projection, of course. No, I know, but once you said raft, I saw the vision in your head.

Bro, I saw the, I saw the part you think I went to. I would be the main one, fly fishing. Like, me isn't like the main thing. Like, all fly fishing, like, fucking going through the woods and trying to find a snake and all that dumb ass shit. I love that type of stuff. Yes. It's just funny.

Well, I see it in your head now. Like how the trip went? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, how you think you? A 50 states themed, that's funny, man. Come on, man, that's funny. It was funny.

And it was really funny. Also, you were there a bunch of performer people-type people. But it was really funny to see people dress like what they came out as. I love, I just love a theme party. I really do. If their ears in the back, what did you say? What was the best thing? I thought the Jersey Shore,

they did a really good job. Did they dress up like Snooky and the people from the Jersey? Just like like GTL, like Tan. Now see, these are the differences. They can do that and go out there and feel like they're representing that and not feel like somebody is going to, because that's exactly what we just said that we would have been uncomfortable doing. See how they do the Jersey Shore and then they dress up like Snooky and stuff like that

rather than like New Jersey or like whatever. We just talked about the fact. That's Jersey culture, the Guido culture. It's the same shit that they have in Atlanta and Stone Mountain different places. Why did I say Stone Mountain? Georgia, you're thinking. You have and I have. Have you been to Stone Mountain before?

You know I said Stone Mountain? Why? Because that's where Childs Campino's from. Oh, is he? He's from right outside. And so, by the way, shout to Michael Harriet, who also lives there in Georgia Beach. These are the things. But see how they were able to do that and they would be able to go there

and feel like that they weren't, that's, that's the deal. That's the difference. Like, that's the thing. So that's what we were talking about doing. Okay, so then Jersey and then what was the best one besides that? I'm really trying to think. I thought the Jersey one was good. Because you could do Bruce Springsteen as well.

You could do the boss. You could, but you didn't have to be a person. Like, I wasn't a person. You were a peach. Yeah. Peach things. I was a peach thing. That felt safe.

Speaking of, okay, I've told this story before. It's going to be quick The corn huskers were good Oh they became Oh so they're really getting into the Yeah They had like a cow thing The Nebraska

They were Nebraska obviously They had like pieces of corn See they could have been Terence Crawford too Terence Crawford Is Nebraska Omaha Shout out to Terrence Crawford The New Mexico people dressed up as breaking bad Like in the

See? In the They're dressing up The high What is it called? The high mats suits Hasmat suits But see

If you But if you did this is the thing but if you did your black shit then it was you you were feeling away but look at people doing the shit that's the point that I was making

yeah I understand what you're saying yeah but first of all did you know that more peaches are produced in South Carolina than in Georgia I did not so I once was on a plane coming back from Peach Jam

with this lady She's a lovely woman We're talking She's like where are you going She's like she was in Texas She's selling peaches Mm-hmm Selling peaches in Texas

And I was like oh interesting She was like yeah I'm from a farm Actually take the name of the farm out I want to put her on place It's like my people Own a farm In

in South Carolina And we produce on our farm More peaches than the entire state of Georgia on our farm. Oh, wow. And I'm like, yo, man, what y'all got on this farm?

And then she starts telling me about the farm. The farm is the size of, I think, two counties or something like that, or maybe like half the size of a county, whatever it is. It's like half the farm does pieces, the other half is doing all that. She's telling me, you know, her family would go to Anguilla. I'll be like, oh, man, we go to Anguilla. She was telling me all of this stuff.

Then I asked her, I was like, so, you know, you guys got all of this farmland. She was telling me how the deer and the farm, You can deer hunt and do the whole thing and all this stuff. I was like, how did you, like, how did you get all this South Carolina farmland? And she goes, oh, the land's been to my family's, my husband's family for a long time. I was like, yeah, I bet it has. And what did she say?

Nothing. She could. She could. Yeah. The land's been in my husband's family for a long time. I was like, yeah, I bet. I bet it's been there for a long fucking time. I bet it has.

But see, that's the thing that we have to. worry about when we go to the 50 states party. Like, other people don't have to worry about. You know what is funny. You're like, you're like, I don't want to go in Sierra Sierra. I prepared my, and this niggas doing breaking bad and niggas doing Jersey Shore and all that shit. Not that I thought this would happen, but I, like, I'm a person who mentally prepares themselves before, like, well, if the worst thing happens, then this is how I have to pivot. Like, I thought about that for Fourth of July. I thought about that for 50 states. And I was fully, if I had to see something crazy like

that like ancabellum ish representing one of the stuff i was already like i got to go i will say i was looking forward to this one guy he had to leave early he was going to dress up as church washington to represent the state of washington and i was like it was people that didn't it like uh i think i should say something real quick i'm not throw a 50 states party for my birthday next year no no for my birthday you know i like i like a thing too we had a cowboy carter party a theme that's a theme guys? I'm not against the theme. I'm not against the thing. I'm just, that's a specific theme. That's like a

really interesting thing. Everybody just... My 40th was like the flower floral theme. It was like wild, wild, what did we call it? Wild something. And it was everyone were florals? A lot of people were sort of upset about the Barack Obama conversation that we had.

I saw it split. A lot of people were, what did you see? If it's split. I saw a lot of people, me, were like, he didn't misspeak and really were, like, leaning to what you had to say. They appreciated the nuance of the, or the boldness, I should even say, to address that conversation. This is what I'll address before we move on.

What a blissfully amazing tangent that we started to show with. There's no, to me, there's no boldness that you have to come for that. I think some people think that believe that. I understand. you guys, I just, I'll tell you guys, I really want you to hear this. I don't look at power the way that you guys do. I don't look at it that way. Someone said Barack Obama is the best of us.

I think that's a really weird way to look at things. Is Barack Obama uniquely talented? Absolutely. Is his brain like this processing thing, both culturally and, intellectually something that needs it. Without a doubt, for sure, 100%. But that man is a public servant. And he has been acting in the capacity as a public servant. Barack Obama, I actually think it's actually impressive. Obama could have left Harvard and jumped into the private sector and made millions and millions of dollars. He could have did what Vivek Ramaswami did,

was leave Harvard and then go in and make a whole bunch of money and then after that come back and decide that you were going to serve the public after you had already made your money and became a billionaire he could have done that that's not what he did what Barack Obama did was he decided he made the decision to leave and then go into a life of teaching people con law and also being a public servant the moment that you decide that you are a public servant you are beholden to me. The end. And if you are,

if you are operating with the gravitas that that position has put you in with that power, that power is there to be interrogated every single time in every single way, with respect and deference to who you are and what it means to be you. But that power demands interrogation. It demands it. So who are you to speak that way about or to Barack Obama? I'm the people. Oh, is that what people are.

And so are you. I'm the people, man. I'm the people. I'm the people that makes the decisions when they go into the grocery store, when they send in their kid to school, or when they're trying to navigate a food desert. That's you. And this is your country, not theirs.

And so, like, the reality is, yes, do you want to do things? a way, particularly when you're talking about black people, do you want to do things in a way that considers like you did what it means to be Barack Obama, what it means to be Kamala Harris, what it means to be Michelle Obama, or any black person navigating the American political reality that those people navigated. Does that mean something? Yeah. But at the end of the day, what are we talking about? Well, it's to your point, how you started it off, how you look at these public figures, black public figures. The thing is, and we're starting to have these conversations

more often, whether that's social media, podcast, whatever, bringing us together to have them, or people saying it out loud, I won't use boldness, people view Barack Obama is a celebrity. What did you say? What did you say?

It's like sacrosanke. Like he's like, yeah. And it is because he's achieved something that no other black person has in this country. I get that. It's because of how, the same way we do as a community, protect other celebrities.

That's what they do with Barack Obama. It's the whole thing. And I've done this before on this podcast where it's like, well, you don't want to be the one talking about them or allow other people to have the reason to come at them in the same way that we might be doing it because it feels different when it comes from outside of the community. So I understand it. But I think when you're like you're not bold, I think sometimes because we are so used to speaking our minds and talking on a microphone, we forget that most people don't have. have, I don't want to say courage, but just don't, don't, are afraid to do that, to use their voice or their platform in that way. A lot of people are. So it is, so I do look at it as bold. And I have to remember that when I like, when I used to be. Oh, we're so brave. And I, well,

no, no, no, no. I don't mean it like that. But my, the point I'm trying to make is like, when I used to hold people get upset when people wouldn't say something, whether it was 2020 or a certain tragedy that affected our community. And then I had to say, like, I, I, I, I can't hold them to the same standard necessarily that I would. Like I'm immediately like, hey, let me get on and let me speak my mind. Other people don't feel as comfortable to do it in that way. So I'll pull back on it. And then I realize they're not, they don't have the, I keep wanting to say courage,

but I'm trying to think of a different word. They don't feel like they can do that. They can be bold in that way. I understand. And I just want people to know that there's a lot of ways to be bold. Exactly. You like be bold in your vote. You be bold in the way you stand up.

But the first thing is knowing that, to me, this is the job of citizens. The job of citizens is to have conversations about the type of societies and communities that they want. And sometimes you have those conversations with each other. And sometimes you have those conversations going that away. And the ones that go up are very important to have. Barack Obama did everything he did. He also did it with this amazing grace and dignity that to me is exemplary of the spirit of America, despite the fact that Barack Obama and I are not aligned politically. And I think there are a lot of things that happened under the Obama administration.

I think I thought we're going to be different. All that's to the side. He had to with grace, dignity, and class. And that is very important to set a standard for American leadership in that particular way. I do not disagree with that. I think that's probably the most enduring and lasting thing about the Obama presidency of anything else that someone who is as decent as he is

can get to that perch, right? But I'll say this, though. We got to have the conversations. We got to have talks. We do this stuff. It's very important. Which will kind of lead into one of our other topics today. We have to have the conversations.

I'm actually, by the way, just all of that stuff like I'm not I'm also not from that from what so I'm not from the the people don't speak their mind situation like I'm from I was born of record scratchers my mom

my mom came to this this party with us on on Saturdays me mom and Kalika she came to this party with us on Saturday and she took the party over I wouldn't expect anything else

she took the party over because my mother is a record scratcher. But in the best way. She's captivating. I remember when Tupac died is just like how should be in Louisiana. In Baton Rouge, we don't dig wilding while.

When Tupac died, like, I told you out of this story before. We had in the back, my cousin took me to the back at Southern's campus. Everybody's back there, and everybody's very upset, and they're playing Tupac music, and everybody's very upset. The people are, the girls are crying. And everyone is like, you know, the whole deal is happening and stuff like that.

And everybody's going through this. And I don't know where I looked over this nigga who was like, rolling his weed. And he was like, he went, man, fuck, fuck. How many, did you take shrooms today? I did. Yeah. Yeah.

That's, I forgot. That's where we are. We might need to dial it back. I just remember. We might, we might need to just have one. And this dude looked at him. This dude had tears in his eyes. So he looked at him, he's like, no, nigger.

Fuck you. I was like, yo. And so then, you know, things kind of like, we laughed. It's like, why would you go back there when everybody's feeling that way and say, like, like, just, you know, niggas in Baton Rouge, sometimes they go against the gray. You guys have seen these guys. You guys know who these guys are. Sometimes these guys, they go against the gray.

Yeah, but I think that leads to, again, what you're comfortable doing. I was raised in a family, too, where you speak your mind. You don't hold back. Like, you say how you feel to each other and, like, in public as well. Donnie, um. Save us. Donnie, get us. Donnie's choice.

Whatever topic you want to talk about soccer. Go for it. Because you're the expert. No, hey, go ahead, Donnie. Well, you're the expert. I'm so curious on your day. Get Chris in here. Hey, somebody in the back.

Go get Chris. And as we talk about. Adani, yeah, like, as this airs, the U.S. will have already played. Yeah, they will have either won or loss, but let's talk about the controversy that's leading up to the matchup. The top goal score for the U.S. soccer team, Florin Balagan, was suspended after being issued a red card and ejected. Now, after that game, Trump, he just confirmed this today, too, that he talked to president of FIFA, Gianni Infantino, and asked him to review the suspension. their suspension was reviewed, and on Sunday, FIFA decided to reverse the suspension, announcing that Balligan will be eligible to play tonight.

And this reversal is the first time since 1962, that FIFA has allowed a player to appear in a game that they otherwise would have been suspended for after being ejected in the World Cup. I have so many questions for you. As you have now become these, give them as, what is it called, a Chiron at the bottom, the self-proclaimed soccer expert. No, that's what it is.

Self-proclaimed is a pejorative. I am the world's foremost expert on the sport of soccer. Quotations, please. How do you feel about this? There's been so much momentum with the U.S. and how well they're doing, how good they look. I don't know what they were projected to be because I just started watching just now. but the fact that now arguably their best player is back we there's been intervention from the government

as Donnie just said this has not happened since 1962 how do you feel going into watching this game does it make you feel different does it take away the momentum as if they move forward or even if it stops right here this is something that's always going to be talked about and is that fair to flow? Okay, so here's the deal. First of all, we have to start at the beginning of this.

The genesis of this is the red card itself. It was given a red card, and if you looked at it, to me, it did not seem like a red card. It did not look like it at all. It didn't look red car worthy. Not even close to me. Not even close. We lost them.

Then we had to fend off the other side. Tim in for the rest of the game. it was very, very, very tense. I don't know if you wanted to explain it. What you mean? If you get a red card, you get that game, we got to play with 10 people.

All right. And suspended for the following game. Spended for the following game. The red card is like a, it's a flagrant two in basketball. Think of the flavoring two. Get out of the game. Yeah.

Right? And so. It's got to be bad. It's got to be pretty bad. And it's also has to have a level and this is the thing with, I think, the red card and the flagrant two. I just want people to know

that I invite, Chris on the podcast to talk about things from an expert level and he said no so now you're going to get this also invited joey at dinner on to come on the podcast but the rest of the midnight boys right now are at a screening of the odyssey oh that they put at 10 a.m. Wow. So I have to go next week. Okay so the rest of the boys will see. Okay so both with the uh flagrant two and with the red card intent is a component. Mm-hmm. So the flagrant two is going to be hey you wound up and you didn't make a basketball play so flagrant two boom you're out the game boom you're spending for the next game maybe with the flagrant two sometimes you see they don't get

suspended but you know if you're wimby you can like decapitate somebody and they're not going to call it and whatever has to go okay so we lose them and we're moving into uh the round of 16 and it's in it's a very important situation and we need the fucking guy back to play trump makes the call Trump makes the call to FIFA. Now, there are two ways of looking at this. One is that FIFA that's been on the dick of President Trump for a long time. The president. Not the president.

No, no, no, no. FIFA, FIFA, as an organization, has been sucking it up to Donald Trump. The president of the, it is what it is. You're right. Let's just say, I'm not only pedantic about it. Yeah, because that's like a 200 member, like, the president has. That's fine. The thing is, FIFA gave Donald Trump this whole thing.

Look, I don't want to be pedantic about it. That's fine. The president of FIFA, I personally just am against this. So when people go, hey, it's not the Americans. It's Donald Trump and his regime. Well, we put him there. So go look at yourself in the mirror. You're right.

They continue to elect him over the years despite his affinity to Trump. If you, Donald Trump is a representation of where America is or was at that particular point, That's a reality. Elections have consequences. You did it. Not each and every one of you, but the conglomerate, this nation has become increasingly,

outwardly, invisibly arrogant and petty and nationalist, white nationalists, all of that. That's what the country is. Okay, whatever. Donald Trump has a relationship with these people where they seek to please him, for whatever reason,

and they, for the reasons I understand, to apparently one side of the story says they listen to Donald Trump, they reviewed the red card, they rescinded parts of it, they let them play. The other side of it says this, that that is not what happened. That what happened is more of a sort of basic kind of red carding situation. Okay. and that the entire process played out.

And as this process played out, FIFA came to the decision that this should not be the type of thing that gets this gentleman suspended. And that Donald Trump was simply a catalyst to tell them how important this is. This is not necessarily Donald Trump putting his thumb on the scale. Obviously, I think that that's probably untrue. I think that Donald Trump most likely put his thumb on the scale in this particular instance. I think that Donald Trump probably was able to use whatever sway that he had from FIFA.

FIFA gave Donald Trump some kind of prize. FIFA Peace Prize. FIFA Peace Prize. Made it up, created it. For him. So I think he was probably able to leverage that type of dick riding into this decision for the United States of America. Was the red car unfair? Should we have this guy going into the game?

We should, to the match on the pitch. We should. At the same time, the question is, in a larger sense, if you take yourself outside of your rooting interests for America or any particular team, do you want this type of political interplay in a sporting event that's as consequential culturally as the World Cup is? No, you don't. I think it's why it hasn't been. I mean, the rule, what is, Article 27 has been there where they can suspend a suspension,

but it's rarely invoked because of the very. conversation that we're having right now. You don't want to feel, I mean, the last time it happened, it was a government getting involved with the decision that was had. And so it leads, it's like, where does it go from here? Will another president or another governmental body from another nation be able to have the same kind of influence on a game? Will, like, I don't know.

Will, like, will we question, will the, what will this game look like, right? Like, will, I don't want to say a karma thing. but it's almost like, well, is the ref going to be watching flow better? Are people going to be? Like, I think it puts him in a weird situation too. Are people going to come after him? Are people going to, like, be on him for every little thing? Because they don't think that he should have played in this game.

I think it's going to question the way you look at the team. You ask, USA, they've been doing so good. Now you're going to look at it as like, well, they got a little help. Well, it's like if you looked at the original decision as being unfair, then this isn't the way you want to get. I mean, it's not the way you want to get it, but like you can't say that the United States, just looking at this objectively, you can't say that the United States is getting unfair treatment

if you believe that the red card before was bullshit. Like you can say because the red card before being bullshit and then losing him for a game, that is bullshit. But I guess like just imagine it in a different sport. Like imagine if it's the NBA, It happened. Final series. And Trump called in and was like, actually that wasn't a flagrant to, you know, like whatever.

Or let me go back in history. Draymond Green. Yep. Let's go back. Yeah. The Warriors versus Cleveland. Cavaliers. And imagine if Draymond, he got too many flagrants.

He's out. He's suspended. And Trump calls and is like, really think that that was unfair. Yeah. We would have a problem. I do have a problem. What I'm saying is in that regard. Because the lawyers were won.

Right. In that regard, what I would have, the saying that the warriors are getting special treatment, I would have said, you can't say that if you don't think that what Dremont did amounted to the flagrant that it got him spending in the first place. Right. So, so like Trump getting involved in this, any politician getting involved with something that is culturally, you know, I say culturally pure, it feels

culturally pure. It does. But when I say that people who are big time football fans, football, they go, man, you have no idea how corrupt it is. Yeah, that people are saying welcome, the U.S. can now welcome themselves. They're officially really into football

because now they're being corrupt. Right. That's what people are saying. It's like you have no idea how corrupt FIFA. And somebody told me and this cannot be true what this person told me. They said, take the WBC and then put it on steroids. And that's the corruption of FIFA. You guys, I know when you say that stuff, you know who you are.

If FIFA is the boxing, the boxing sanctioning bodies, these might be the most corrupt, legitimate institutions on this side of actual government. Like these things are just fucking pay for play Just whatever right all of that stuff But somebody told me that FIFA Is way more corrupt Wow

Than they are and the fact that they invented that That award for Donald Trump kind of basically Kind of basically points that But all I'm saying is I get that And I understand that and there's reeks of corruption And I wish it hadn't happened But I also think the original red car to get us into this situation was fucked up to.

I'll ask you this. Or at least demonstrates that the United States isn't getting preferential treatment. I'll ask you this. What do you want to happen? This is the thing. People will be listening to this

and they'll all know what happened in the game. Do you, does this make... Well, let's make it worth it now. Well, hold on, hold on, hold on. There's two ways that this goes. The U.S. gets a win and Donald Trump takes credit for the win.

Yeah, he will. Okay. The U.S. loses, and Donald Trump once again has gotten involved with something, and it's gone bad. So everything Trump touches turns to shit. So for the political movement of MAGA, the U.S. losing would be something that you could celebrate. The U.S. winning would be Donald Trump sticking a feather in his cap and calling it in macaron. I think he's going to do. He's already taking, it's already a win for him, right?

They're already taking credit for their influence, his relationship with the president is why, President FIFA is why he's even in the game. So he's already taking credit for it. Everybody's going to be watching. If he loses, if they lose, he'll be like, that's not my fault. I wasn't involved. I think it's a win for him anyway. So I don't look at it like that.

Oh, no, if he loses, we're going to be like Donald Trump got involved and he ended the Americans' boat. That happened to game three. So they would have won without him. Hold on. Like game three, New York, which one was a game 40? This game three. Which one that the New York Knicks lost?

Three, yeah. Like, they lost. Donald Trump came there. They lost everybody. It's like, the only person that could interrupt the story that was the New York Knicks was Donald Trump. And then they was down 29 to the Wu-Tang Clan to come back and clear the fucking guard now. And then Jalen Brunson and boys got to work. So, like, it's definitely going to be a thing to where, like, yeah.

But you ask me what I want. I say make it worth it now. The conversation's already here. So let's just keep it going and let's get this win. Y'all about to be mad at me because I want to win. Yeah. I want to win for America. We're here now.

All right. I want to win. I also want to win for birthright citizenship. Because this gentleman was born into our country while his mom was here from London. And apparently something happened with a flight. She was too pregnant. Too pregnant. To fly back.

To fly back. back. And the flight attendant said, what a hero, said, hey, said you can't get on this flight. Can't get on this flight? She's pregnant. And so he was born and then we got a striker out of the deal. That's America. See, this American team, this is why

I kind of love it. I kind of love it because Donald Trump has to get involved and this is not, I'm not breaking news. Medi has said this. Medi said something fucking crazy. Medi said that for Lauren shouldn't play. Metti. Mehdi.

It'd be different if y'all were calling for Trump to get involved. That would be a problem. If y'all were like, can Trump do something? It's already here. Medi. Let's just roll with it. That sounds like, Medi, that sounds like pro-England propaganda. Sounds like you want your English side to continue to roll on.

We play. And by the way, just let you guys know, we're playing Belgium. We're playing somebody. Rarely does the United States get to play someone? one whose hands are as dirty as ours. I could make an argument that the Belgians might have hands that are dirtier? Nah, you cannot. No one's dirty.

But at least as dirty. King Leopold is a Hitler figure in world history. So we're up against it. At least what? We get to play somebody because that's as, because a lot of other. That could be a lot of countries. Not that many, man. Well enough.

When we're talking about this level of dirt? Oh my God, that scared me. Fire alarm, guys. It's Trump. It's Trump. It was getting too real. Is this real? I mean, who knows?

You got what? She did not. We have to leave the building? Oh, shit. Okay, let's go. So, guys, we're back. It was a fire alarm. We were down there for like 10 minutes.

We got to know some of our neighbors. bottom line go USA Go USA I don't feel bad about it being against the Belgians I feel bad that Trump got involved but it's kind of a win win Either Trump got involved and

It ruined everything or the U.S. against a victory just like you said Yeah That'd be fun to watch We get to spin it is it's a spin case This next story is not in any way fun.

So this is our first departure from fun in this entire episode. Donnie? All right. Yeah, former NFL defensive end, current podcaster Marcellus Wiley, was arrested over the weekend in Orlando, Florida

on alleged domestic battery charges. His wife, Anne-Marie, told cops that he poked her in the cheek and threatened to kill her. This is according to the arrest affidavit. The documents also state that Anne-Marie went on to say that she plans on divorcing Wiley claiming

he's had an unreported history of violence towards her in the past. Now, this news comes a few months after Wiley was also accused of sexual assault by four different people that happened in April. Has there been anything from Marcella's Wiley up to this point? No. Now, he was released. He was released. Sunday night. Okay. $1,000 bond.

I'm looking at that right now. I was trying to see if there were any other updates. So he told police that he and his wife did not have a physical altercation. obviously he's going to... And he showed text messages that said... That they had cordial... That they were having cordial conversation. Okay.

He never laid a hand on her and that he was only there taking care of the children. Cops say Wiley showed them text messages between them, like you said, exchanging cordial messages. But based on Amory's written statement, police found probable cause

to arrest Wiley for domestic violence battery. What does that mean? I understand. Based on the statement they found probable cause, how does that work? I mean, it's a low threshold. It's not like, it's not like you're proving a case. It's not even more likely than not, but like, yeah, I mean, based on what she was saying, I saw one article that said she wasn't alone. There were other, her children were definitely there. It alluded to maybe there were more people because they're there for a basketball alternative. with their families, assuming other families as well. So based on what she said, and she also said that there's been a history of domestic violence,

even though it hasn't been reported. And I guess there was enough for them to say, hey, he's a danger in this situation, he needs to be removed. Because that's one of the things that she asked. She asked that he would be removed from the hotel room, which he was. She says that she was afraid of them because he threatened her life and she was afraid of his behavior. You see the mugshot, his eyes are like bloodshot. Bloodshot. Yeah, yeah.

And that's really all we have. Yeah, she said their seven-year-old daughter witnessed the incident. She said the daughter told deputies she did not see Marcellus touch her mother, but she did hear them arguing. So did the daughter witnessed the incident or not? She must have been like in another room or something. But like enough to hear. Right. But not to see.

There's a fracas going on. But like it was. So they obviously, so that's adding to your to me your question, them gathering information on whether or not to remove him. So there was a witness who could hear something. Now I don't know if she could hear what was being said. I don't know if she relate that to the police officers. But she says she heard them arguing.

And then you have what Anne-Marie says clearly. his eyes are bloodshot. It was enough for them to say we need to remove him from this situation. We know this couple. Mm-hmm. I've known Marcelus Wiley for probably like

going on like 10 years, like probably a little bit longer. I've only known the Emery for about, maybe I've about four. Four. Well, I knew when, even when like they met, it was like I saw him in the, the arc light one point. And he was with her.

and then they went on and get married and have kids and stuff like that. Now, two things. The four women that have accused Marcellus Wiley in the past, Marcellus Wiley has gone to his platform. He's talked about these women in these instances, and he's been very critical of the women and their recollections of this stuff, who they are, and the entire deal.

Now, if he is to, be believed and if he's going to maintain whatever standing or stature he has left, he's going to have to do that about his wife. So it's not a he said, she said, with Marcellus Wiley now. It's a he said, they said. And honestly, when we discuss matters like this

volume is not something that dams you. Volume is not something that necessarily means that what happened is true, but it's not insignificant to get this entire history of women describing interactions this way, women making these types of allegations. And now you're here with your wife, the woman that we have been told or he has held up as a perfect example of all of this stuff. Now, in order for this to go away, he's going to have to cast her in line with the other ladies who were out to get Marcellus Wiley, out to take down Marcellus Wiley, out to do all of that stuff.

Because when these allegations start to mount, it starts to become clear that there's a glitch in you in the way that you deal with and treat women and how safe they feel around you. There's no way around that. There's no way around that. And now his wife is a part of the chorus of women that are saying that. The fact that the allegation comes from inside the house, that's monumental. And that's the context in which this has to be discovered. As far as who Marcellus Wally is, is not just me that knows him. It's a whole group of people that knows him, people that I'm super close to,

and people that I'm... I am less close to. Like, you know, a lot of people, we had a joint birthday party a couple of years ago. Marcel's Wiley was there, right? So is she? She was there, right? So, like, you know, I understand people's need to say, hey,

we are policing our communities and our societies. These are the people that we want out. And the people that we want out are the people that are unsafe for women, unsafe for children. The people that take advantage of people, the people that are the mashers and the exploiters. We want them gone. We want them gone. And there are people that you are around or you might know or you are connected to. And these are the people.

And we want you to do that work. that's not unfair. It's not unfair of anybody in the audience. It's not unfair. But I'll tell you one thing, and I hope that people hear me, like sincerely. That is a lesson that you learn every single time something like this happens. Every single time.

It's not a lesson you learn in 2015 that then continues to evolve. That's a lesson you learn every single time. I was someplace with somebody not too long ago, and I shook hands with someone, and my dude pulled me to the side and went, no, not him. And I was like, what? And he was like, van. I'm like, no fucking way.

He was like, yep. Like that guy, not him. Once again, all of these things are allegations. All of this stuff are allegations. Everything is an allegation. That, you guys, we're making sure that we insulate higher learning from any type of legal. Yeah, I think they get it. Okay.

But in this, like in situations like this, the real metric is how you move once you know. And I'm just being for real. Like the real metric is how you move once you know, how you treat it once you know, how you deal with it once you know. I'm going to be real with you. if I'm just being serious and honest with our podcast. Now I want to know how you feel about this. The allegations of against Marcellus Wiley, we probably could have covered them more voraciously than we did.

I can't remember how I said it. It's like if I'm going to say we didn't, I would think that I was more on the side of the legal side, like making sure that we didn't say something that could get us in trouble legally as a podcast, more than I was protecting the image of Marcellus? I think while I agree, I think there's probably something reflexive there.

If I'm at, I'm not talking about Rachel, I think there's probably something reflexive there. And let me talk to the audience and tell them what the reflexive thing is. A lot of times when you're doing stuff like that, it's not about protecting the person. It's actually about protecting yourself. It's about the fact that the audience knows and whatever relationship we've had with this audience

or a relationship I've had with this audience at times, I don't try to hide myself from them. Of course, there's some hiding. But I want them to feel like they know me. And the reality is, the protection that you do in that, it's not necessarily of the person.

It's I know how it looks. I feel. like sometimes because they'll say it they'll be like hey anybody that you've known or been around that's you well the reality is that when you say that I hear that and so then I go and I'll just say this in a grander broader thing that that sentiment I completely understand it but that also makes people close ranks that also makes people go okay well shit if if I'm gonna get the smoke for what this guy did well then I got to protect him because his smoke is my smoke.

What I'm not going to do in any sort of way is ever in the front of my mind, let that be a concern. We have realities in our community, in our society that are important to me. And while I have not been a perfect man in like my relationships, while I've not been a perfect man in any regard, I think that it's fair that women in our society ask for safety. and talking about stories like this, even with people that you've known, is a part of ensuring their safety. And in this situation, we don't know how this shakes out. We could do all of this.

And next week, they could be back on the ground. So we don't know how. But there is no way at this point for any rational person to look at my. Marcella's Wiley and not have gigantic, massive questions about who he is and who he's been. And that's the perfect way to end it because even if charges are dropped, even if they reconcile for whatever reason, there is still a through line here. This would be that we know of the fifth allegation of some type of assault on women. I mean, that just doesn't just happen just happen. Yeah. So. Yeah. All right. We'll take a break there and come back to life topics on

other side of this. All right. Did you watch some of the Fourth of July stuff from around the country? Not at all. Not one bit. You were excited about America. I was detached. I was out the lake. You were America 250. I saw one. No, I was not in America 250. I saw one tweet or article or something that you sent and I was like, got it. Nice. I'm going right back to the 50 states. Donnie, Trump, 4th of July. Get us into it. Yeah, going off what Rachel said,

that tweet you sent was there were a bunch of white nationalists who marched on the nation's capital on July 4th over the weekend. And aside from that, there was also extreme heat, thunderstorm warnings that caused event castellations and evacuations all before Trump gave a speech that was delayed. It happened around.

Round 11, which was followed by fireworks display, which a bunch of cities were doing fireworks, as they always do. But yeah, what were your takeaways from the events in D.C.? My takeaway was this. Wherever you bring clowns, you get a circus. Wherever. You could be in church. Think about yourself in church right now. For sure.

You're in church. Everybody's talking about stuff going on, Jesus, whatever. 50 clowns coming to the church, it's a circus. You can be the Louvre. Everyone's looking at priceless works of art, quiet, looking at the... Let 50 clowns come into there, it's a circus. We think that elephants, smell of peanuts, and all of that stuff makes the circus. No, the clowns make the circus.

That's what makes the circus. because clowns have to be clowns have to act like clowns smell like clowns big shoes honking noses clowns different types of clowns

face paint makeup wherever they go they leave an aura of clownishness wherever we got a bunch of clowns so there's nothing that we're going to be able to do that will not be a circus we can't do anything

that won't be a circus because we have the clowns running the government so 250 America 250 kind of an important thing to be able to take a moment, like contextualize what America's meant, talk about the good and the bad of the country, talk, celebrate Americans who've made incredible change in the world, incredible change in the world worldwide, like to talk about

some of the failings of America, the present of America, the future of America. It's like a really important moment to where we should all be able to sit with what America a means to us. And what did we get? Brum-brun-na-na-dun-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-ta. That song is called, here come the gladiators, by the way. Like, it, it, so that's where we are. Clown show.

Did you expect anything less? No, but the reality is like, it's almost encapsulated. It's a clown show legitimately at the worst possible time. So Donald Trump being president right now, when the world, is actually trying to redefine what the actual contemporary world order is at a time where American dominance or American influence needs to be redefined.

America needs to be able to define herself as a part of the world community. We are no longer living in a unipolar international order at a time domestically where Americans are seeing that wages did not grow, commiserate with prices, that they are working harder and

getting less. They are making more and getting less. They cannot afford homes. There's a crisis of Americanism from both a cultural and a financial perspective that needs to be dealt with. There needs to be a re-examination,

rededication, and a contemporary come to Jesus moment with the idea of America. And we don't have anybody serious enough to have that conversation in a robust way. Not for the celebration. We can't even throw

the party right. So like it's like we like we can't so like there's we are so behind the A ball in terms of what we need to do. And guys that don't that doesn't only exist on the Magarite. this inability to meet this moment and appropriately contextualize who we are and where we're going and what we've been

is a political disease that affects everybody. Yeah, we didn't get here to this point because of one side. We got here because of multiple things and maybe one person was, one group was doing the acting, but the other one was allowing it

and or complicit in it in certain ways in order to protect for self-preservation. Cannot talk right now. It's the fire alarm. But to me, all the things that, you know, yeah, maybe we're more vocal about or we're recognizing more because we're connected in certain ways

because of the internet and social media, all of that, to me, the way it all went down from the way nobody was there at a lot of stuff, to stages falling and almost hitting people, to speaking to empty audiences, to white nationalists marching around it and throughout, to me there is no way to almost better summarize 250. We've always been this kind of nation.

I think that the irony in it all, or maybe irony is not the word, but just like this whole idea that 250, and listen, there's greatness in surviving 250 years and all that you've accomplished in a general way. You talk about big picture. But at the same time, a lot of the things that we're talking about are also what 250 has always represented. And you're putting this presentation out here about unity and freedom.

And we're supposed to be indivisible, but we're more divided than ever. I mean, this unity and freedom and this message that you're speaking of, it literally shows that all, like for certain people or just the way that it's passed out, freedom, unity, all of this, it's unevenly. passed out or unevenly delivered is how I should say. When you sent me the tweet and it was the 400 white nationalist marching and my response was nice because I'm like well of course of course you're going to have as you're celebrating 250 a display that's built around racial exclusion and really gender exclusion too when you think about it like how could it not be of course 100 years ago almost 100 years ago, the KKK did march in a very similar way. Now you have white nationalists doing the same thing and shouting out a message about reclaiming

America for who. Look who was represented in that. That's part of the messaging. White House didn't condemn it. So you could almost say that it was a bit of welcoming. Like, oh yeah, everybody's welcomed here. We even welcome this type of divisiveness, of freedom of speech, of all of that. And then like, I don't know, you just, it's just 250. I know you said it well when you talk about what 250 represents for you. And I just, I can't like when you sent me that and I did try to detach for the most part. But it made me think of the question that you ask about what does America, are you proud to be an American? What does it mean to you?

And it's like, well, yeah, like as a black person here, that's part of what it represents. If I'm thinking about 250, how can I not think about that? As we're looking at the 4th of July, how can I not think? think about these things, right? You had Frederick Douglass say, what to the slave is the fourth? Then I'm thinking, okay, well, what to the black person is America? What to the voters is America? What to the woman deciding what to do with her fetus is America?

What to the immigrant is America? Like all of these things, it means so many different things for so many people, but a lot of the groups that I named, for a lot of it, it is about what you don't have to this point. Like, what is America to the person who is strong? struggling to pay their bills, their groceries, deciding if they're going to get health care, all of these things. And it's like what almost better, not better way, but represent, oh gosh, here I go, I can't talk again, the symbolism that's represented in where we are right now

at 250. It's like, how can you even stand there and preach a message about all these things when the reality of the country is this? And I guess the through line of it all, as I kept thinking, is there is such a gap between the rhetoric and the reality of where we are with 250. And that's really the theme of it all. Well said. I mean, there's a gap with the rhetoric.

There's a gap with the understanding of history. It's amazing that we have, we're still having a conversation about the contributions of immigrants. Yeah. Like, you know, Thomas Payne. You know,

like it's there's too many there's a I'm not going to go to that whole thing I'm not going to a whole thing like obviously if you think that you know they like your history like I'm not going to go into the whole thing you know reality guys

Thomas Payne came to the writer of common sense who Washington himself really looked at as the rhetorical soul of the American independence you guys know who Thomas Payne is everybody pay attention

in in history class came to American like 17 73 or 1774 right like the Benjamin brought him over right the immigrant immigrant like like it did all of this stuff none of this stuff even the obsession with America as a Christian nation and the founders and how they establish a man not true right a lot of the guys atheists a lot of them atheists at least not not Christian in the way that you guys would have wanted them to be some of them I could argue I want to get my conspiracy back maybe believed a couple other things okay then the

didn't believe not only were they not Christian they might a couple of you know you know don't let me get into like like okay like it was like you might have had an occultist or two um but certainly enlightenment era thinkers which put reason ahead of of creationism in that way. Of course there was, the God was all around and all of that stuff like that. But, you know, it's like,

you can get Jefferson or, like, the rest of these guys, like, ask them directly, like, what they thought about Jesus. They looked at Jesus as a moral center a lot of times, but not necessarily as one that was their spiritual leaders. Some of them. Okay. There was a lot of founding fathers.

All kinds of different stuff. But a lot of the way people look at this stuff, remember this stuff is simply not true. And us making Santa Claus figures out of these people, these historical figures, is actually it's maybe the most important endeavor of American propaganda because then you get to write whatever version of the people that started the country. And that helps you write the version of the country that you want. Right?

You get to take even somebody. like Martin Luther King Jr. Shout out to FD Signifier for, you know, a lot of conversations me and him have had about this and make Martin Luther King Jr. into a non-radical, historical stuffed animal, which is not what he is, like a comforting, that's not what he was.

He was a disruptor. And he was someone that got radical with different points of his life, more radical, should I say, but someone who had this incredible center inside of him that was always going to lead him, to an outcome that was people-based. And he was going to consider that.

So was his wife. So was everyone from his cohort, they were going to consider what people were going through. Martin Luther King Jr. didn't make the decision to speak out on Vietnam because it was politically convenient or expedient for him. He made a decision to speak out on Vietnam because he believed in people. And he believed in what people should have. And so correct Scott King. So that means they didn't turn their bad.

They didn't say, hey, what's going on in Atlanta or Montgomery is the only thing that's important. And just like they won't do that, I'm not going to turn my eyes away from kids getting their leads exploited off in Palestine. I'm not doing it. I'm not going to do it. And I'm not saying I'm going to be the best on it, but I care. And Americans should care because we relitigate the soul of this country with every single decision we make. Those decisions at the ballot box, the decisions of what we're going to support and who we're going to be. I say this. The reason why I realized to why I got so emotional talking about America to 50 and my ancestors. Do you know why?

My father died July 4th, 2021. My day died. And this was the first year it wasn't in like the front of my mind. But I started talking about like what America means to me and I was thinking about Big Papa and Uncle David and Uncle Ray

and Uncle Mark and Uncle Petey and Uncle Charles and all of these people ain't Emily, ain't Deuce, Auntie Teresa, all of these people that's gone. And that's my, that they,

what I was trying to say, and that's why I kind of got in between it, is that, that's my America. You know? And I'm not giving that up for nobody. But I'm also not about to like narrow my worldview. That's why, you know,

shout out to all my diaspora people. We, I'm still with y'all. We all together. And I want to just make a special shout out. to the biracial's. We were doing so well. What?

I can't even, I can't reach out to the community. Because I want to let them know that you're with them. Yeah, actually it wouldn't go like this. It would go like this. So you can see the, because that's about the skin color. You can see it like that.

And we, so, you know, I want to, I want to see. I'm with, I'm with, I'm with, I'm with, I'm with, I'm with, I'm with, I'm with, man. We're not even going to get to the children of blood, shh. Donnie.

Tommy You all want to talk about the Trump reportedly weighing clemency for Diddy or skip it for something else? Let me tell you something. Do you think he's going to do it? Let's just do it because Diddy has four years. How many years he served at least a year, right?

Like what time served before? I don't know if they're counting that. I'm not sure. Let's say Diddy has two years left. Let's just say. So this is the first thing I'm going to do. Let's do the over on there. This first thing I'm going to do.

My therapist told me something. My therapist said, there's one thing I want you to do. We're not going to do this. My therapist said, the first thing I want you to do is take no pride in being right. If you can do that. Oh, then forget the bed.

Just listen. Just listen. He said, Van, if you could do that, there's no ceiling to what you can accomplish. And the therapist sometimes be talking to me like Claude, you know. This is our guy. This is our guy.

Sometimes the therapist will be talking to you like Claude. Like, you go, you know. No, he's so smart. Yeah, like he's, very smart, but sometimes it'll be like, hey, you know, yeah, you can definitely do that. You definitely do that. You can, right now you can probably play in the NBA.

Not the therapist, but, like, Claude will tell you that. I actually ask Claude if I could play in the NBA. You tell them who you are? Claude knows. Okay. I ask Claude and Claude goes, no. So everybody else that's getting the AIs, that's telling them they could, Claude was like, no, you can't do that.

He goes, but if it's about fitness, let me give you some things that you could do. Okay. So encouraging. But back to where we're talking about. So fuck all that. We're not even getting to that. What we are, what we will talk about is the reasons why I think that Trump thinks that, and a lot of MAGA Republicans think that this is a smart political move.

First of all, I think it's Trump's inclination to pardon Ditty. Yeah, I think so too. Why do you think so? Well, we've talked about this before. I mean, he's talked about like, didn't he say did he pull to support? I can't remember. He's talked about Did he in a very positive way since all of this has happened. Since he has been convicted, still talks about him for the most part in a positive way.

I think that he looks at him as somebody who would support him. If he does that, I think that he probably looks at him as like one of the good ones, black folks, as in successful, all of that. And he probably sees some of himself in him. I mean, like Trump's been accused of heinous things. Some he's been convicted of. Some he has not. But the allegations still exist. I think he looks at Diddy is similar-ish,

similar as he can as a black man. Yeah. And I think a lot of those guys from around that time probably look at things the same way. They probably look at things. The views that they had on the world is probably the same. Like there's probably not as much space between the two men. there's probably almost no space, you know, in terms of the way they viewed themselves

and how they viewed the world and what they wanted, right? So Trump and Diddy, there's probably a similarity that Trump understands. They probably Diddy understands as well. But also, men like Trump, if they are nothing, if they are anything, there's nothing more that they are, should I say, than collectors.

Powerful white men like that, they're collectors. They always want to show you what they've collected. Some of them go out and they hunt and they come back and they're like, look at all the pelts on the wall. Look at all the heads on the wall. Some of them do it with women. Look at the group of women that I can have. Some of them do it with companies.

They look at all the companies I've acquired. Collecting is winning for them. Like even the framework, the fucking purpose of white supremacy is collecting. It's collecting cultures under yours. It's collecting countries. It's collecting languages. It's collecting dialects. It's collecting everything and making it you.

Everybody's got to speak English. Everybody uses this. Everybody, that's like this collection. If Trump pardons Diddy, he collects him. He takes Diddy, who. even though his reputation is in pieces right now, right? Shattered. He's still someone that Trump sees

as a major black American cultural figure. And now you got him. And Trump is certainly a collector. As a matter of fact, Trump doesn't like it. Trump, you get the wrath of Trump when you rebel from collection, when you don't want to become a part of the thing that he is.

And this is the way that he could do it. And he probably thinks he's collecting a part of the culture if he do it. Well, I was going to say, what collection is Diddy in? Shit. As he's collecting, what's Diddy's group?

We don't know what's happening right now. We do know this. We do know that if Trump reaches out and decides that we know that, look, nobody's going to say no to this. to being pardon.

So, so, thank you for who puts this in. As a matter of fact, Dity and them are probably reaching out. Well, they already have. We know that from before. Oh, yeah, we sure did.

We sure do. But a year and seven months, that's what's left on his prison term. A year in seven months? Hmm. I mean, here's the situation. I'm not going to go long on this,

but like, a year and seven months goes fast when you're at this age, but a year and seven months is an eternity when you rich. that's a year and seven months of no being on the water that's a year and seven months and no caviar a year and seven months of that's two can't film festivals that's two Academy Award seasons

that's two summers that's two and these are not our summers where you go to work and live for the weekend these are and that is like what's going on right and so I don't do we know why this came back up again Because we had talked about this before. So it almost feels like because we're talking, like, I mean, months ago we talked about this,

that they were reaching out, that maybe Trump was considering it, nothing. Thank you, Donnie. According to CBS News, the U.S. president is gearing up to pardoned multiple people convicted of emissions violations. The public going to be in there. But has also been discussing whether you should pardon, did he?

Thank you. Well, the public going to be in there. And let me tell you something else. The reason why it's coming out right now is because Trump is testing the waters on it. Trying to see not how everybody else is going to respond. Fuck them. He's trying to see whether or not the maga die hard people are going to have a problem with it.

I actually, I guess I wasn't thinking of it that way more than I was thinking of if he thinks it'll help him in the black community. I don't think it will like he thinks it will. I don't think it will either. I think it's a monumentally stupid thing for him to do because it's just going to lean into what everybody always thinks about him. The Trump loyalists are the Trump loyalists. The reason I think he also can is because of Epstein. Which mean? Sexual.

I mean, yeah, we're talking minors and stuff, but we're still talking about, like, corruption. We're talking about sexual assault towards women. Trump's already been held civilly liable on that already. He's been very vague about his involvement with Jeffrey Epstein, even going as far as lying about certain things. and then now that he if he does this with Diddy who's been accused of this and then all that follows with it the things that he wasn't found guilty of

but they were still accusations I just think that it really just plays into even more so this is who Trump is when it comes to how he treats women. True but which is why you would think he would stay away from it? Yep, that's what I'm saying.

Right, right. But the reality is that at this point if you don't think that there is something with Donald Trump and Jeffrey Epstein. When I say something, I mean, like obviously Trump recoils at the mention of Jeffrey Epstein's name.

That's not even the right word. There's a, Trump has protected Jeffrey Epstein. That's it. There's no reason that he's protected for whatever reason. He's been against the release of the Epstein files. He's treated Glenn Maxwell

both through his words and through his actions. in a very positive way. You would think that he would want to distance himself from someone like Diddy? But that hasn't made a lot of the people, some of the people have peeled off. But Trump's people are still Trump's people. So when he, when and if he pardons Diddy,

that's going to be more sole searching for the black community. For like people who, like, there's going to have to be a larger conversation about Diddy will be interesting to see. But as far as Trump, at this point, Trump probably don't feel like there's much he can do that will make his people like turn on him. Sure. He's done it all. Sure.

He's gone back on every promise. All right. Oh, this was an interesting one. We almost kind of missed this. We almost missed this. Yeah. It was happening as we were recording last time because starting. The discourse was starting.

The song of the summer. A discourse over the song of the summer. You like it? The song? I like it. I like it too. You like that record? You guys like that record?

Spend that. It's catchy. You're fucking with it. Now, what's the, so I listen to it. Now, here's the thing with me that you guys have to explain to me. One of my favorite records is a record we talked about it called Who I Smoke. Okay. This is a song.

It's a favorite for you? That record is fucking amazing. And I'm sorry. I apologize to everyone. I apologize to everyone. Them young men from Jacksonville took Vanessa Carlin. flipped a Vanessa Carlton record into a murder and I want in my soul when the song comes on to not react to it. I want it so bad, but I'm a nigger.

Now, and listening to that song, which did not become the song of the summer, and listen to a lot of the other drill music and the hip-hop music that I've listened to growing up, I listen to music where a nigger said, you know, slap a bitch in a bunch and I, her mouth. She's talking back to you. I listen. I ain't no fun if the homies can't have none, which means you fuck me. You have to fuck all my friends. I listen to all of this music and it seemed like this music had been codified. But for some reason, spin that, which is a song that is about scamming has inspired this debate, which by the way, I don't think this debate is unfair, but it's interesting that it was this record and not like back in blood, which is a song about like we're going to like you know kill you you know you're like you know what's the song where it's like yeah get it back in blood I don't need no security in club I'm gonna come in like I'm gonna come and

kill everything to kill everything and then we've seen a lot of these guys actually die and get all shot up I'm interested in that is that is this record that inspired this I think it's a couple of things okay um going back to the conversation we were having about Barack Obama and the way people view him and and like we're like you and we're just talking about our black public figures in general as things have come out in the me too air and we're holding we're looking at things through a different lens and what was acceptable you know 20 years ago 15 years ago not so much acceptable now that's in music that's in comedy that's in the movies that we do people are there's like a reckoning almost of revisiting certain things within the industries that I just named and say

that those things weren't okay. We just look past them for whatever reason. The time it was, the patriarchy, maybe the power we felt we did or didn't have, whatever it may be, it wasn't cool enough to do. So I feel like what India Aries is doing is in line with all of that. There are, because I saw, some people say,

like, well, you're a hypocrite if you have a problem with the song. I said, I like the song. One time on this podcast, you said, what's the most problematic song that you like? And I said, what they really want. What the bitches want from a nigga? I just said it that.

A question we're still asking. I like that song. Probably know all the words. That's a hard-ass record. I don't give a photo job you talking about. But the point is, I'm not going to say. Play a proof you used to get ready. And I'm not going to be a hypocrite and be like,

you know, we can't listen to those songs anymore or spend that's bad. So I understand that side of it. But I felt like what NDIR was doing was trying to, get you to think about some of this differently. Like when she talks about it in more detail, she's just like, especially like spin that, which again, the songs we just name are much worse than that. But it's like catchy.

So you find yourself being like, where are all my scamming ass? And it's like you say it over and over again. So I understand what she wants about like being so flippant about the things that you're feeding your mind and your spirit and there's power and words. That is her take. She's saying that she's not saying like, you know,

boycott Young Miami in a sense or like all these songs. She's just like, this is how I feel about it. We should as a whole. And I'm using this one as the song of the summer because it's the song of the summer. We should think about the things that we're saying out loud or we're consuming. But in addition to that, it's the Diddy of it all. It's Young Miami is specifically getting this because she is a woman who has stood by Diddy despite all the shit that's come out about him.

That is problematic. So, you know, when you look at her, it's not just her song, it's like who it is at the same time. And if you're looking for unity amongst women or women supporting women, because at this point, you can't say you didn't see the video with Cassie. He has been convicted of things. You're still doubling down as recently as the Breakfast Club about how good of a person it is that you believe that Diddy is. and you're separating your experience with Diddy from the allegations, some allegations, some convicted in a court of law,

or proven in a court of law, and you're still standing by this man who a lot of people are like as a predator. So you're feeling like... I think it's the Diddy that is specifically, and I think Indiari said this. If she didn't, that's definitely the conversation that's going on. It's who is singing this song as well.

Like people are saying, why are we supporting Young Miami? Why does she have the song of the summer when this is a woman who supports Diddy? So this is what I appreciate about Indiari. Legitimately, D1 as well. That's why I appreciate it. Oh, did he say something about it?

Of course. You're doing wrong, D1 on your ass. Okay? You're doing wrong. If he sees it as wrong, D1 is going to, and the thing I like about D1 is that D1 smiles when he tells you, little bullshit.

And that's what I, that's all I can ask for. All I can ask for is D1 or Jason Wilson. When, when, brother, let me tell you, this D1,

I love you. I love you. So let me tell you why everything that you're doing is killing children. And I'm like, oh shit. You know what I'm saying?

But like, I appreciate that. I appreciate that. And it, it doesn't make me, somebody like NDI, what I appreciate about her, about her,

more than anything. The amazing art she's given us, the amazing counsel that you get from your elders, the wisdom that you get. She's not like my crazy elder. We probably like three or four years apart. But she's my elder in this to a degree because I was still knocking around

Southern University when it started. In my opinion, the energetic purity that India Ari has, it costs her something. It cost her something. Yeah. She did not get a way. from something and be 10 years out of a career she still has a great career going or have all of this stuff she didn't get away from something and then started having the discussion she addressed what she

thought were problems cultural problems at the height of her career at the height of her career in the iri was a critic of things that she felt like were not positive for young women uh for for young people. She's at the height of her career at the point to where everybody was like, hey, we just want to have some fun. She was like, we can have some fun. And this is sometimes

the cost. She's always been that way, which tells me that it's genuine and it's also something that she's willing to put it on the line. I always take anything she says incredibly serious and it's worth a lot of introspection from me and from other people. I will say this

though. This is the way I look at this. She talked and D-1 has talked about music and how this stuff is affecting you. And it's part of what is a diet. It's

a part of a diet. There are certain people who are disciplined enough to go completely vegan. There are certain people that are disciplined enough to do complete living foods. Right? And there are certain people who are pescatarian right there are certain people who don't eat meat on the weekends

there are certain people who are vegans still have some Doritos this song is a bag of Doritos if music like this is your entire diet it's affecting you bar none that's it's over if music like this if spin that is your whole diet if all you eat is Doritos and Kool-Aid and all of that stuff like that it's affecting you there's no way around it it's true and there are people who are like that there are people who are Everything that they watch and read or whatever, they put in their brain is bullshit.

I don't think anyone is asking, at least for me, purity from people. Because that's impossible. Yeah. And she wasn't. That's impossible. I don't think anyone's asking from purity. I think people are saying, hey, this,

like it's almost like on the back of the bag of Doritos, they put the nutrition fact on there just so you can know what you're doing to yourself. Yeah. Right? Just so you can know And I think her message and what D1 is saying I think that's what they are. Hey man,

just to let you know, this is the deal. This is the thing. This is what is going on with this. That don't mean that I'm about to be walking into a strip club and I'm going to hear D1's voice and I'm not going in there.

You know what I mean? Doesn't mean that I'm going to spend this. What it does mean, though, is that having a conversation or like somebody saying, hey, this is what this is doing to you, there's absolutely nothing wrong with that. Yeah. And then once you have that knowledge and that information,

you get to decide whether or not this is something you like to have fun with, whether or not, but you know. And I think that's what she's saying is like, I guess read the nutritional facts. Read the nutrition facts. Because if you read the nutritional facts on the back of that Doritos bag, it would say, if I wanted you to eat my pussy, Diddy would have had you on your knees ho.

God damn it, man. That would have been in there. That's great. But you like the record, though? I like the song. See? But. But I'm on a diet.

But I do my research. But I'm not like promoting it like that. Like it's not on my Instagram. I'm not like putting up a picture of myself and talking about spin that. Like I'm not going to lie and act like it's not a catchy song. I like the song. But I understand exactly what she's saying. To me, the added element is the ditty of it all.

And I think that's getting lost in some of this. Question. What are the most catchy, positive songs of all time? I'm just going to do this off the top of my head. Most catchy positive songs ever. Jay, what are you talking about? Happy. Happy is a catchy positive.

So I don't want people to think that they cannot have catchy positive songs. Happy is a catchy positive song. I also think Video by NDRE. Video by NDRI. is a crazy catchy positive song. They're messed up for remixing her song like that. They were wrong for that. We got to say that.

At least that's my opinion. They were wrong for like, you ain't, you didn't even try to hear anything you said. They said, let's make it. And to be honest, that song sucks when you mixed it together. It was still good as it is. Yeah. We're giving you your compliments.

You know what my favorite, catchy positive song is? was two is everyday people and Mr. Wendell I love those records I like a lot of positive music though

I love everyday people like it's like these are you don't have to but the thing is though when you when you in the club right a lot of this has to do like when you in the club

and you're in the club and it's liquor everywhere people are drunk you don't want Mr. Wendell to remind you that there's a better way Mr. Wendell. I'm definitely not thinking about it like that. You don't want Mr. Wendell to remind you that it's a better way. You want what you really want, those songs,

and we got to be real with those records that we be listening to sometimes like that, there's a sonic element to them getting you up, but they also give you permission to do bullshit that you want to do. They're like, they do. That's why it's a diet. Not all Doritos. You know what I'm saying? Now you could, you know, what?

You listen to Missing. No, no, no, no. I have a happy list song and everyday people was on that. Well, I mean, you could listen to, there's also other music like Anita Baker. You could listen to that and give it to that. Ah, Paramore.

Paramour for sure. Sorry, he's still, you know what song I like? That makes me happy. This is the, this is my, this might be my favorite white song of all time. And now the name of it, I'm gonna blank on it. What's the name of the group? It's a girl and it's a guy.

They actually did a, they did a, Phantagram. Do you guys know Fantagram? Wait, I have to see the video because I know what you're talking about. Like, I used to listen to it all the time. Phantagram, the record is What's the name of the record?

Fall in Love. You ever heard that? Sing it. I want to sing it. Okay. I don't want to sing. But that's one of my happiest songs by white people.

Okay, what's the last one? Donnie, one more thing. Yeah, this last thing is a Facebook story. There was this group called White and Proud that got infiltrated by black people. The group was created in 2023. It surfaced on a bunch of people's timelines and they realized that they were able to join and they did and they took it over. Did y'all see the threads of this? I love it.

You like this? I love it. This is the way to celebrate 250. Right? We're supposed to be indivisible, right? Unity. The freedom, freedom of expression. So what are we going to do?

We're going to march. This is our version of the march. Right? We're marching without the exclusion. We're saying, hey, include us. Look at some of this. What time is the KKK meeting? Because we come into that too.

I like it. I love this. White and Proud group. I want to like white and proud group. That's crazy. Let's see. Let me go here right now, white and proud. I love that we influence.

frustrated this. Yeah, fucking, why not? That's what they do. Mindset it's not available. I think they got out of that shit. That's what they do. Like, they try to come around and stuff that we're doing and make their presence fell and stuff like that. Like, let's do the same shit.

Why not, man? What you're going to do? You ain't going to do shit. Come in your group, start sharing recipes, start talking about our favorite episodes of Martin. You know what I'm saying? I like that type of shit. Good for the good on them.

I'll tell you what, we ain't. What? Scared. Right. And we never were. A lot of people are going to say, oh, we were scared in the 50s, and wasn't nobody scared.

If they were scared, they wouldn't have done the shit that they did. They wasn't scared. Wasn't nobody scared. We ain't never been scared. Nobody's going to be scared of some e-thugs. Hey, we've been against it,

but we ain't ever been scared. We ain't nobody fucking scared. Fuck all that. Yeah, it's just a little warriors. Not wards. There ain't nobody fucking scared. getting this shit. What they should have been doing

is looking at who these 15,000 users were. Like they do. Who was, it was public. It was out there. That's what they should have been looking at. Who all is a part of the white and proud. This picture is hilarious.

Like, I invited them. Mandy Williams. White. If you aren't white, you need to leave the group. Y'all know how to read. And then Mandy said, I invited them.

Mandy's white. Mandy said, she invited us. She invited us. So if there's, there's can't be a cookout. So what is theirs called? What did Mandy invite us to? Probably a picnic.

Probably a picnic with the origins of that. Probably like a picnic, you know what I'm saying? So it's probably what they invite to. Bring a blanket, put it right down on there. Basket. Sandwiches. Yeah. They over there, they got fucking tuna fish with it's all-male.

One's like one little piece of tuna. So it's like all of that shit. But whatever y'all do, we're going to find y'all. We're like Brian Mills. You know what that's what that's from. Y'all know who Brian Mills is. Who knows who Brian Mills is? Taken, nigger.

I'm going to find you. Oh, is that his name? Yeah, Brian Mills. I never knew his name. Because it's completely unnecessary to apply. It really is. For you to know his name. It really is.

Does he ever say it? Nobody's name. Yeah, they say his name. But you don't have to know who his name is. It's not called Brian Mills. It's called Taken. You don't got to know. There's other movies where you don't have to know who the character,

the name of the character. Like John Wick, you got to know his name. Say his name so many times. Bobby Yeager's all about his name. Brian Mills is not about none of that. Niggins say, come to get his daughter. That almost like takes away from, like, the taking of it all.

Like, Brian Mills, that don't sound strong. Shout out to all to Brian Mills. Man, these niggas named Brian Mills somewhere like. Like, I see him in a cubicle. Nah, this Brian Mills. Not taken going across international water. to like save his daughter from. So I want to know two things before we go.

Number one, should we do, there's two different, I'm trying to think right now of how to orient this sentence. Because the first thing I want to talk about is the old shit moments in movies where I knew people was fucked. And right away and taken where he told the dude, if you give me you my daughter right now, it's cool, everything's cool. but if you don't, I'm coming for you.

And I was just like, yo, this niggas is a cult, this nigga ever. Indeed, he came for him. But I want to do a show here. Because we do drafts on every other show that I'm on except for this show. I was like, what draft could higher learning do? I want higher learning to do a racist draft. I want us, me and you, to invite, like, I don't know, a couple other people that we know in the space to come on here.

We'll do it at the next live show. And draft. Let's do it at the live show. And draft the most iconic racists of all time. You get a contemporary racist. You get a historical racist. You get racist and different things. We have a draft of people.

Racist draft. We draft them. I'm not like, so we want them on our team. Like my team's more racist than yours. Yes. See, I would want the least racist team. That's not what you. That's what I would be like, well, I got the least racist people.

No, I don't know. What the first is. Okay, so you're going to draft like fucking, who are you going to draft? You have McElmore? Like, he's not a racist. He's like, he's not a racist at all. So like, you can say whatever you want about him. I can tell you one thing.

Say whatever fuck you want about McImore. I think ain't no racist. So you're going to go, so I'm going to come up and I'm going to be like, all, first pick in a racist draft, uh, down Trump. Everybody's going to be like, ah, that's amazing. That's the obvious first pick. Maybe it's not the obvious first pick. Maybe the obvious first pick would be like Thomas Jefferson or George Washington

and somebody like that. Maybe that's a better pick, right? Even like a couple of popes. Maybe there's a better pick But if you want to get oozing eyes with the crowd You take Trump first Who would be question Before I even get to this

If we were doing a racist draft All time racist draft Who's the number one pick Who's the number one pick In an all time racist draft Racist draft? We're doing the draft of races Racist in history

Who's the number one pick ever? I mean you I would say Hitler That's a solid number one pick Because he was literally trying to create a re-do the whole race. Nah, he got to go first. That's true. Like, the Aryan race, like, he was like, all of y'all, I don't want none of y'all. Do you know how you know that Hitler's the number one pick in the all-time races draft?

Do you know how you know? Because look how bummed out everybody got from having to talk about it. We were having fun with it. And Rachel with Hitler, J's shit went down, my shit went down, Donnie stop having fun Everyone because there's really there's really Okay cool so I want to do that But you can't you can't have

Somebody go okay Number one pick Hitler And then have Rachel come in and go I don't know I'm drafting like Ron Howard Because you want the least racist team You keep the name of people We have to name people who

Almost oh you said historical What did you say historical? In history but they're also alive Like Ron Howard is not a racist He's a great guy Yes I would I'm not going to do that I'm not, you keep naming people. I said the least racist person.

Yeah. Like, what? What? You said you want to draft least, you can't ruin the game. No, you can't. You have to do somebody like, almost as like, like Abraham Lincoln.

Because I'll tell you something like this. You have to do something like Abraham Lincoln. So then people are like, well, he did this. It's like, well, he didn't want to. You want to. He didn't want, he did it for another reason, not because he was like power to the people. So that's a, that's a one where I could say,

least racist. Okay, let me tell you something I'm not going to do, ever. I can tell you, I almost never say what I'm not going to do. What I'm not going to do is an allies draft. That'll never happen. We don't want the racist draft. I'm not bigging y'all up like that. I think the racist draft is fun because let me tell you, let me make one more case for

the racist draft. And the people out there, y'all can vote, because we'll do this at a live show. And I'll put, it should be me and you, and we should get some people that out of the audience who also want to participate in this. But maybe we'll bring up a celebrity guest like it be like, me, you and Jamel, she'll love that shit. Me, you and Jamel,

and then we'll bring people out of the, let me tell you why the racist draft would be great. It would be great not as a celebration of racism, but to pull the veil off of just how bad some of these people are. Like, for example, we're about to play Belgium, right? If I was to draft King Leopold II, then we get to fucking talk about all of this shit.

Like it's like a way to kind of expose some of that stuff. But what would make it interesting and hard is to your point, categories. Like you could go back in history and pick a lot of people. We got to limit it. Okay. It's history, contemporary. History, contemporary. Man, woman. Man, woman. And then like, but we'll figure out the categories that'll be like racist and different things. Let me think about that. Like, what's the most racist movie?

You got to take racist movie. You're like racist historical figure. You could take racist fictional character. It's like you can do different levels of that, right? You could also do one category that's out there. Uncle Tom. Uncle Tom, Wildcard. Uncle Tom. So you got a whole,

you got racist, black races. Not racist against white people, though, because, you know, we accept that. I like it. I like the different cat.

I like how it's moving. We don't accept that, but we really do. No, no, I like how it's moving. It's not just people. It's like moves into other things. I like that.

Songs. We're not accepting anything. It's like not the thing. I'll say that before we. I'm not accepting. It's not a thing. It's not a thing. Can't stop you guys from going to any colleges at all.

You niggas popped up at fucking Moor House. Okay? So there's nothing so, so like this. And became valedictorian. Don't get me started, nigga. Don't give me started. We'll pause for another hour. Don't get me started.

Don't make me. We didn't even talk about that. Here's the thing. I won't. Thank you. All right. Take thing, caps off, but do not stop learning. I'm Van Lake you, Jenner.

I'm Rachel and Lindsay. Bye, guys.