Higher Learning with Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay - Toxic Apologies, Trumpisims Are Back, and Mexican Representation in Ken and Friends

Episode Date: June 25, 2024

Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay start the episode off by giving a quick statement on the BBI (11:27). Then, they talk about the passing of Florida rapper Julio Foolio, the aftermath, and the violence that affects youth in today’s climate (22:39). Last, they talk about DJ LA Eyekon’s comments about Mexican representation in rap (40:58) and the new batch of Trumpisms (55:10). Hosts: Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay Producer: Ashleigh Smith Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Yo, yo, yo, thought lawyers. What is up? How learning is on. It is I, Van Lathen, Jr. And it's me, Rachel and Lindsay. I mean... Rachel's eating. You could have waited until I finished this last year.

You said whenever you're ready, you're... You want people to talk about me. You say wherever you're ready. I would like everybody to know. I asked for a little notice. That's not what happened. I did not want to be respectful. I do understand people hate...

That's not what happened. I do understand people hate being eating. This is such a lie. Rachel came in, she's eating, right? She doesn't care about the podcast. I've been up since 3.30 this morning. I traveled to get here. It's fine.

I haven't had anything to eat. Yeah. So Rachel's, Rachel's, she doesn't care. And I said, I'll wait until you finish the chips. And she said, whenever you're ready. That's what I said. Where'd you go this weekend? I heard that you did something special.

Is that what you heard? Is that what Kalika told you? Yeah, something special, some special. I went to Miraval. The fuck is that. It's like a retreat in Tucson, Arizona, outside of Tucson. It's all, like, you have limited phone access. You can't use your phone in certain areas.

It's very, it was very rejuvenating. I went with Justin. Shout out to Justin. He was like... Chicken nigger? He set this whole thing up. He was like, I know you need this. This will be great for you.

He's been before. And it was, I mean... From massages to you would love this. It was, let's say the word wrong. Equine. Equine, like horse. Horse therapy? Yeah.

It was, the first hour was two hours. The first hour I was like, I don't know about this. Second hour. I was like, okay, this is why people cry. Are you crying with the horses and stuff? I didn't cry, but something happened in me talking to him. And I was like, and the horse started moving. And I was like, okay.

I couldn't get the horse to move the whole time. Right. And then the horse started moving. Right. And so it was extremely therapeutic. Did a psychic reading. Sweet. And yeah, it was just detached.

Great conversation. Connecting with my friend, connecting with myself, detachment from everything else. It was really good. I was there from Friday till this morning. Left first thing this morning came straight into the podcast. Sounds amazing. You would love it.

Yeah. You love it. Amazing. I'm glad. What did you do? And why is your cowboy hat line here? The people are going to want to know So I'm

I went to the Bass Pro shop You're proud I love the Bass Pro shop Never been I got you never been to a Bass Pro Shop I've never been fishing Oh wow interesting I know I'm willing to go though

Yeah we're gonna go be a fishing trip And while I was in the Bass Pro shop I was thinking you know I was getting more stuff Because it's stuff I could get more shirts And T-shirts, country stuff And I saw these Bass Pro hats I just wanted to rock the Bass Pro hat for one day It's a cowboy hat

taking a break. Something wrong like that. Bass Pro have for one day. I had a very transformative weekend. Oh, I love this in a good way. In an interesting way. Okay. Do tell.

I had a Brazilian wax on Saturday. Wait. Okay. Guys. Why did you get a Brazilian wax? Because there's only one area you get a Brazilian wax. What are you talking about? Yeah.

I got Brazilian wax. Why? I have, I got a full. man, Brazilian wax on Saturday. So I'm pushing the fitness era real tough, right? So I've been running a lot. And when I run, you know, I have an interesting situation with hair. I'm a hairless person.

Clearly not. So I don't really grow hair on my arms. Or your head. True. I don't really grow hair on my legs. I don't either. I don't grow hair on my legs. Very little hair grows under my arms.

Oh, nice. Yeah, okay. But there's other places where the hair is very prominent. What about your back? A little bit at the top. Okay. A little back patch at the top. A little back.

No bottom, no bottom. And then on the stomach a little bit. And then it starts to get pretty woolly. Like, it's pretty bad. Like, it's like all the hair in my body, goes to like one area and it's, and it's very woolly.

And this has been a whole, this has been a whole thing throughout my entire life, right? Okay. A whole thing throughout my entire life has been very woolly. And even when I was playing sports and stuff,

you know, back in the day, sometimes it would get, you caught up in there and you'd be like, you know, whatever, whatever, it's very willy. Well,

I started to run again because I'm back in the boxing gym. Okay. As I'm running, I was getting, I got some ingrones. Oh, wow. Okay, because this is a little friction. A little friction, some ingrones. And it was like, go get wax, Kalika says.

And or she was like, you could. Laser. I have a great person for you to go to. It does not hurt. Doesn't hurt. And just like six or seven treatments. And so you did Brazilian. So you did the back too.

Everything. You're the back. Okay. Everything. Let me tell you something. You feel good? I don't know how I feel. It's a good feeling.

I don't know how I feel. What I know is that this was an experience. I mean... The positions you had to get in? I didn't have to get in the positions that people think that I would have to have gotten it. Okay? Well, that's... By the way, I don't have any problem.

It wasn't even that. It was a hot honey Brazilian wax. The lady goes, puts the honey in there. I walk in there, the honey's already in the microwave. Tells me, she's like, first of all, she says, take your, take your pants off. Take your, and I'm like, I'm like, I got to get the dick out in front of this lady now. The dick has to come out. So the dick comes out.

And she goes, sit right here. So I'm sitting on the edge of the thing. The dick is out. and the honey's in the hot, the microwave, she takes the honey out, and she's doing the honey. She was fantastic, by the way. She goes, is the honey too hot?

And I was like, a little bit. She didn't remark to the fact that it was too hot. She doesn't fucking care. And then it was like, okay, hold this. I held a little part of this. Woof. Immediate reaction. Ugh.

Yeah. Because on the, You've never done it. On the front part right there. Mm. The worst. That's the part. That's the part that hurt because there was the hair was there.

Woof. Woof. I'm like, oh, shit. That's the worst part. And then the waxing got more, the waxing of like the balls and all of that stuff. Actually wasn't that painful. Yeah.

That actually wasn't that bad. Neither was the backside. Yeah. No, that wasn't a big deal. No, it's not painful. The big deal, the big deal about that was. was basically just like hot honey in the asshole, not, didn't feel, you know, I'm like this.

She's like, now the butt. I was like, I don't think we need to do that. She's like, the butt. You asked for a Brazilian. And I was like, okay. Oh, VIP, VIP, VIP. They actually had to act, like, wax part of the actual shaft. That sounds like it hurts.

Didn't really hurt that bad. Yeah, nobody tells you about the upper part. You're going to have to go again. It does get less painful, but I would suggest lasering. Lasering. I don't do it. I don't really, I don't. I might just run less.

I might just not run as much. Because it's not that big of a deal. Do you like it? It's not that big of a deal when my weight is lower. I used to run miles and miles and miles, but my weight's a little higher now as I'm getting back into running. I want to get back so I can box longer. I went boxing. I coach out to Ray and Jack over at Phil's Gym.

I went there to box with Ray Ray 21 big heavyweight I got my ass kicked because I gassed out I want to be able to box and perform for a longer amount of time so I have to get my road work up I have to run and start off three miles a day

and then get up to running 10 miles on the weekends so I got to get my role work in and and it was it was a thing and I feel changed I don't feel it I don't know how to describe the experience It was very, very...

Do you like the look? Do you like the way you look? Not really. I mean, I don't not like it, but it's... I mean, there's no hair. Look, I have shaved before and to just shave it down, but this is different. I don't like that look. Yeah, probably not, because it probably feels like feminine.

But I don't even like it for women. All the shaved? I've had, when I go get it lasers, she didn't go back. She was like, you know what? I wish I hadn't done everything. A lot of people regret. There's a lot of remorse. What's the remorse about?

Because if you laser, then it's never really going to come back the same. Oh, so you just, it's forever? If you finish all the treatments. Sometimes it comes back like when women are pregnant because of the hormones and stuff, but it's just gone. Yeah. Like, you got to make a decision. Wow. Interesting was correct.

Very interesting. But, um... I mean, it was just... Honey. Yeah. Honey. They can't waste time. They can't let you think about it.

Honey. Honey I'm like, what the fuck is going on? I'll send you to nurse Jamie. And then when I left, this lady was good. I don't want to dis the Brazilian Hot Honey Wax for people.

If you want laser. Because they were good, but it was like, she was like, she was a G. She was like, you did good. I was like, what? She was like, no tears. I'm like, guys cry? She goes, yeah.

You get people tear up. And I'm like, oh, she goes, five weeks, you come see me again. That's how she was talking to you. Five weeks, five weeks you come see me again. The rest of that hair out, that dang. She didn't say, van stop. Let's move on.

She said, it always goes to another level. Five weeks, you come see me again, get the hair out that thing. All slippery, slippery balls. Everything, it's all slippery. The hair stops it from being, everything's slipping and sliding around down there now. All right. It's true.

I went swimming yesterday. Hmm. Yeah, went swimming. it was like, it was different. It felt different. Oh. Would you doing that to test it out? Yeah, I was trying to see, yeah, I was trying to see what, what, how things would go when I go swimming.

You had to be trying new things just to see what it feels like. Yeah, you know, I worked out and everything. It's just like a slippery. I see why the hair is down there to protect. It's protection. Yeah. Anyway. I have to apologize.

I have to do an official BBI statement. Agent by Trache will let me know. know that some of my recent statements about biracial's have gone too far and it's not in keeping in step with what we do at the BBI. This is why you need somebody who's biracial in the group. What did you say? I thought, I said something about biracial's and it, it was, it was, it was, it wasn't in step with what we do at the BBI.

What we do at the BBI is we examine biraciality and its effect on culture. We don't, there's no specific. against biracial. Correct. It's not. And I'm glad that she puts you in check. She did.

That's why Agent Bitratial, Agent Stax. By Tracial Stax is her official name. Stax Podcast, great podcast. That's why she's

invaluable to the Holy Trinity of the BBI. She was like, yo, it seems like you're trying to start a race war. And I was like,

no. So she's good, so. So you apologize I apologize. I apologize. I apologize to any biraciales that might have been hurt.

Love biracial. I was having a conversation with somebody yesterday and it was about the whole Drake thing. Drake, Kendrick, Kendra-Lamar. Were they a biracial? They were not a biracial.

And so, I will say this. It was funny because we're having to talk about it and we're talking about Kendrick Lamar versus Drake and this person says, well, yeah, I mean,

the only situation, the only reason why that's going like that, as far as, like, Kendrick Lamar and Drake, is because, you know, Kendrick is black and it's a situation to where he's up against somebody, whatever, and I went, wait, he's like, what?

I was like, Drake is black. And he went, oh, I'm like, yeah, See what just happened? I was like, Drake is black. He's black. He goes, damn. I was like, Drake is black. Drake is black.

I just want to let everybody know. Drake is black. Yes, we've acknowledged that on the show. We can talk about culture all we want. But as far as, Drake is black. He's black. And it was so funny, I actually started laughing in the situation because the difference was

the only reason why this went like this. essentially would say since Kendrick is black and Drake isn't. And I was like, wait a minute now. Drake is a black. He's a black guy. He's black. He's black. He's black.

Remember all black is not the same guys. So culturally, we might have a conversation about what we recognize and what's familiar to us and what that matters. But like, Drake's a black dude. Once you said it, this person, I'm assuming he accepted it. We just talked about the reason why. What's happening with Drake and Kendrick, they just filmed the Not Like Us videos,

kind of what we were talking about. What's happening with Drake and Kendrick right now? We talked about why it feels different. And it feels like there is a portion of people that are trying to divorce Drake from his blackness. Yeah. And if we want to talk about whether or not, you know, we want to put gar rails on black culture

and have a deeper conversation and understanding about of what black culture is, that's fine. But you can't de-black the nigga. I agree. I agree. Yeah.

Yeah. I don't think any of our takes have been that at all. But I do think that's like low-hanging fruit and easy for people to do. Like, you're afraid of that conversation. But he wasn't doing it on purpose.

I know. I get that. But I think it's just easy to think that way. Have we de-blacked, Drake? Well, I think. think this did for a lot of people. Not that it should. I think this is where I've heard the argument the most that Drake isn't black. I mean, Rick Ross was literally saying he's not black. Is it fair?

No, he's black. He's black. Otherwise, you need to open up a case. It would have to be, oh, there's already a case open. But it's not, remember, it's already a case open. But, but is, he's, he's, he's black. Like, why? It's kind of weird. that we're kind of getting into this realm. Because a lot of people don't, they identify. Again, it's where the whole thing is being black isn't a monolith. It's where, like, that whole conversation dives into. A lot of people, gay, keep blackness.

You have to do certain things to be considered black enough. Otherwise, and especially if you're a biracial, it's even harder. They'll tell you you're not black or you're not black enough. Or I'm more black than you because. I have a question for you right now. And I want you to answer this. Let's say there was a million dollars on the line. Why is it? Why are they going to do this with money? Go ahead.

Because that's what you care about. Well, now. You love money. I'm going to put out that Trump clip pretty soon. Get the streets talking about you selling your vote to Donald Trump. Disgusting. Let's say there was a million dollars on the line. And you were going to get that million dollars based upon

the accuracy of your answer to this question. Okay. With a million dollars on the line, would you bet that Drake knows how to play spades or not? Yes. You think that Drake knows how to play spades? I do. Ashley, do you think Drake knows how to play spades?

No. Do you? Probably not. To me, spades is easy to learn. Like, you should know spades. Yeah. Do you know how I play? Yeah.

Yeah, I play Spades. Yeah. I got actually. Me and Ian just plays some. And Dominoes. If you don't, if you ask me Dominoes, I'd be like, he probably don't probably know about it. I don't play Domino's.

Hmm. Mm-hmm. Not a big deal where I'm from. Like, I don't play. It's not. It is in the South. I never, I never, we played Spades all the time. Mm-hmm.

All the time. Maybe it's a northern. When I got, when I got to California, my uncles and them played Dominoes like all the time. I played spades. I played tonk. I played a lot. They've never seen a lot of people

playing dominoes. In northern Louisiana, where my people are from, that's where I learned. That's what they would pull out at the family reunion. It was dominoes. And even in Texas,

dominoes, spades. Yeah. Dominoes. Don't know how I played dominoes. Spades, interesting situation. There's a lot of people that say spades don't matter no more. Somebody who doesn't.

doesn't know how to play spades says that. We got to keep up, you ought to pass spades down from generation and generation. That's the thing. But we think right now, would you choose Drake to be your spades partner? Do you think... I didn't say that, but I do think he knows how to play? I'm asking you, just, do you think he knows well enough to play? Yeah, I think he can play.

All right, we'll see. I wonder if Drake can play spades. I wonder if they, I doubt they play spades. Jomi's back there. Jomey. Can you play? Oh, Jomey definitely can't play no spades. Jomey, can you play spades?

Absolutely not. So yeah, I knew Jomi couldn't play. But at the same time, Jomey... We'll teach you. At the same time, Jomey African, though. That means that is not... It's two different cultures. So, y'all probably...

Same thing. So we have to... Cultural exchange. That's what I'm saying I don't expect. We Jomey gave the Joloff rights. I'll tell you straight up right now. I told Jomey this. If it's one thing I'm mad at white people about

more than anything, taking us from our land, they took us from the Joloff Rice. The Joloff and Spade's crazy. Joloff and Spade. I'll throw it in my house. Joe off in space. Hey, we bring in

Africans and Black Americans and Black Americans together. We're going to do it. That's right. That's right. With a performance by, Rap your country. With a performance by Shabuzi.

Who is, who is? Walee. Hey, I'm serious. Hold on for a second. Let me get Walee on the phone real quick. I thought you were going to call Shabuzi. I don't know that nigga like that.

Let me get Walee on the phone. Because I could get Wale And we do the first ever Because Walee throw a hell of a party While they throw a hell of a party So we got to go to the Is he here? We got to go to the East Coast

No Last time I heard he was staying here While they threw a hell of a party Like we He's van He a van, he a van He's van! Hey, hey, hey

Real quick, don't say nothing crazy You on the podcast I did a throw at you right now We just came up with something Say if you're down Or you're not down That's all you got to say we decided we're going to have a Joloff and Spades party.

We're going to bring the diaspora together, all right, a Joloff and Spades party. My man Jomi here is Nigerian. He said he don't know how to play Spades. It's not because he's Nigerian, but maybe it is. But Joloff and Spades, bring everybody together. I was pollinating the coaches. You down with it? You got a host, bro.

Yeah. You said, hold on. Hold on. All right, man. When I get back to the stage, because I'm in London, when I get back to the stage, we can talk about it for sure, though.

All right, let's shop it up. All right, brother. I love you, man. Pick you. But I love the idea. I did. I'm sure. I do that.

All right. Peace. There you go. Joloff and Spades. Joloff and Spades. We can really do this. We could book a performer. Yeah.

Who can we get? It doesn't be him. Not Shibuzi. Shibuzi. We get Willie. My Walee got a deeper catalog, man. If he likes it, we can really make, we got to have both cultures represent. High learning, Joloff and Space Party.

But here's the thing about the Joloff situation is when we do this, Joloff encompasses so much of West Africa. We're going to have everybody. We're going to have Sierra Leone. We're going to have Ghana. We're going to have Nigeria. So excited around this. I love, because.

this is what you do. Rather than put all of these barriers, which I love to do, we bring everybody together. Higher learning, Joloff and Spade's party. The finest Joloff Rice. Jomey's there.

Kerm is there. We're there. Here in L.A. We could maybe do it at Afrikan after Afrikan. Joloff and Spades. You'll know what Afrikan is? Interesting. All right.

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Call 1-800-526-77-3-3-3-3. to learn more or visit trimfire radio.com. Okay, Jacksonville rapper Fulio was reportedly killed Sunday morning in a shooting. Julio Fulio was shot, apparently, in a hotel parking lot in Tampa, early Sunday morning. This was an ambush, reportedly, after leaving a party for his 26th birthday. It's born Charles Jones on June 21st, 1998. Jacksonville, Florida, I'm not sure if everybody is aware, the, the, hip-hop singing down in Jacksonville, but it is

filled with a lot of talent and a lot of violence. It's going to be honest with you. Covered it a little bit of it. A little bit. A lot of talents, a lot of talent, a lot of violence. There were two factions that were going back and forth. Julio Fulio was on the side of one of these factions, on the other factions. On the other side was

guys like Spitter Benz, young and ace. And, you know, it was pretty... It was pretty serious. I mean, we had covered it here. There was a song called Who I Smoke that came out some time ago. The actual names of dead people in the song, dissing like that, which is a staple of drill rap.

Also, Fulio himself had made a song where he made his own version of When I See You as well. But he also made a song where he was dissing on him. and he had been shot in Houston, which was referred to in the When I Smoke Song, and The Who I Smoke Song, the last verse of that song, they talk about the actual attempt on Fulio's life and how they were upset that he did not die.

According to press reports here, he wanted to celebrate his birthday, so he inadvertently, or maybe not inadvertently, dropped his location. One of the parties had gotten shut down and he moves to another party, and people knew where he was. Hours after he died,

young and ace, which is somebody that represents the other side there in Jacksonville, seriously feuding with Fulio, dropped a disc track about his death. It's called Do It. Catch his ass, do his ass. You know he's finished. Ace Raps at one point in the track.

Now, we should say that legally, there's no reason to believe yet that anybody from that other side had anything to do with fooling his death. Nobody knows who got him. He was shot up. The car was shot up. It looked terrible. Whoever was gunning for him went to make sure that he was dead.

He was 26 years old. And this is a never-ending, seeming cycle of violence that exists in several major cities and places all over the place where it seems like people are clicked up on each other. And the street leads to this stuff. being discussed in the rap music, and then the rap music becomes public, which then feeds the energy of the beasts themselves, because once you've dissed somebody's dead, brother, cousin, son in public,

and everybody knows about it. Now they want you to diss, now you're dissing, now everybody's dissing the dead, talking about the dead. And it's seemingly never ending the way they're gonna take shots at each other and try to kill each other. Mm-hmm.

We talked about this before when the Who I Smoke video came out. And we were talking about drill music. We were talking about it in a general sense. And I didn't really do a deep dive into these two crews like I did after this killing with Julio Fulio. Yeah. And I think what I can't get past is the disregard. for life. It's like, it's just how easily they kill and have no remorse, brag about it, profit off of it. And it's not just them. It's the people who are listening and feeding into it,

which feeds them even more to want to do it. They've been beefed since 2017. Both of them have lost brothers, like, friends, just like, I mean, guys like, grisly, grisly shit. shootings back and forth at apartments, drive-bys, like parking lots, whatever, houses, just and then nothing stops. There's no truce. They just keep feeding into it, making a video, you know, survive. Julio Fulio got shot in the foot. Youngen got shot eight times survived.

They make us another song about it. This has been going on, is my point, that this started in 2017. They drop Who I Smoke in 2021, and now it becomes more of a national thing. Because everybody knows now. Because now everybody knows. So it feeds into it. I looked up the video who I smoked and I looked up when I see you. Both almost have 50 million, probably more after this death.

50 million views. I looked at the comments. The comments aren't taking it seriously. You don't even see like this needs to stop. Young people are losing their lives. This is creating a certain culture. These are talented, talented individuals who are throwing it away, you know, to create songs about killing one another and disregarding life,

all the comments were like, who came here after Julio Fulio died? Oh, I can't wait to hear what Young and Ace is going to do next. Oh, did you hear Young and Ace's new video? Oh, it's not going to stop now. I can't wait to hear the next disc track. Like, as if it's not real life. When I see this, it seems we are so disconnected from real life

that these people are really dying. They're making music about it, but the people who are observing or taking in this music, consuming it, aren't realizing what's happening. It's so troubling. I couldn't stop. I could not stop. It's all I was looking at once the news came out that he passed away because it just blows

my mind. So, you know, we had had conversations about drill rap on the show before. And it seems as if my opinions on drill certain aspects of. it were conservative or they were like old man type shit right that's how people perceived it yeah because the commentary on it the conversation on it often is brought back to what artists should be able to put in their songs i want to say straight up right now artists should be able to express themselves in songs in any way that they choose right you want to say whatever you want to say say it

say it put it in your records like a lot of this stuff that we're talking about right now it reflects violence that would exist whether or not

hip hop was around or not right because the situations and the conditions in a lot of these different places kind of create that right what I'm telling you is that there's a specific brand of street music

Like, I'm sorry. There's a specific brand of street music that is directly celebratory of death in an intimate way. Now, look, there's not a lot of difference between the two examples I'm about to give here. One example is I'll kill any nigger that comes around and tries to whatever, whatever.

I make my Glock talk, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. That's disgusting and words. worshiping of death in it of itself. That is. And if we're being honest, there's a place now and has always been a place in hip-hop for that since the gangster element of hip-hop

kind of rose to the forefront. Then there's also a different type of music that's been surging over the past 10 years. And that is music that says, I killed your brother. Like, I killed your brother. I killed your sister.

Your sister died. Your brother died. Your cousin died. Your best friend died. And I'm happy that they're dead. And I also want to kill you when I see you. not in a way that is in any way artistic, something that is reflecting actual violence and pain that's happening to people.

Like that one song, the Beatbox remix, where they're saying, like, where's Corbyn? There's an ad lib in the song. Corbyn refers to a kid named Corbyn Jackson who was killed and taken out and had his body taken out and dragged out into the force and left for dead. He was missing. Nobody knew where he was.

So there's people around the country that are going, where's Corbyn, like, in that ad lib, and they're talking about an actual person. I know, guys, it's a fine line. And especially when you're talking about behavior that's bad, it is different. Yeah. Like, it is different.

It's not the same. It is different. Now, it's an escalation or an evolution of something that already existed, but it is different. Yeah. This music, this. brand of it, this style of it, this particular part of it, is akin to a death cult.

Like, you said how easily these kids kill, and you're right. I'm surprised also at how easily they die. He's 26. Like, the lifestyle that's being led here just lends itself to an early death. And they've been trying to kill him since he came out with the video. That's what's crazy. Yeah. This wasn't like,

they've been trying to shoot him up. Right. And honestly, I got to be honest with you, with him. And a lot of these other people, these young brothers that get into this, they work for these deaths.

Yeah. They work for them. They continuously engage in this. And they can't be talked out of it. There's not enough money that'll make them stop. There's not enough clout that'll make them stop.

As a matter of fact, the fact that this type of activity works for them is only more incentive for them to continue it on and even go crazier on it. So I know that I sound like the old man in the room when I say this, but his death and the fact that a diss song was made about his death within hours of him dying is only going to lead to more attempts on other people's lives. now everybody to fuck with him is going to be trying to get on Young and Ace or spot him got him or spend the bench or whoever else is out there that's from the other side that's making rap music so this rap

this type of this specific type of drill is really just ESPN for murder it's about keeping score on people that actually died and I'm like I don't see how y'all don't see that this is different like I really don't

or maybe I just Julio Julio Fulio died they was bound to get him Yeah Yeah When you say

you don't see how it's different Who are you talking to? I'm talking to people that's saying I'm talking to people that saying Hey Because these are the same They'll say hey These are the same conversations

That Tipper Gore had And Or that Calvin Butts had Or C Dolores Tucker had It's not a freedom of speech Or any activist who had an issue with hip hop or particularly gangster rap or anything like that. And look, let's be honest, you go back and you listen to those gangster rap songs

or you listen to a lot of gangster rap songs that are out there. The full gamut of bad ideas are in those songs. There's sexual violence. There's domestic violence. There's drug dealing. There's murder. All of those things. There is out and out rape, celebration of rape and rape.

culture. All of that stuff is in that music, right? All that stuff is in that music. There is a specificity here about the violence that makes it super duper intimate and very corrosive and directly connected to more violence. You could make the argument that in the grand scheme of things, having music that deles so deeply into street violence, perpetuates violence. You know? Yeah. But you can definitely say that if I make a song about having killed your best friend and I'm laughing at it, that is a direct antagonizing factor to there being more violence.

Yeah. Yeah. Well, you're specifically calling out who you've killed and then calling out what you're going to do next to the next person and then they die. I don't understand how, like when we talked about who I smoke, and they're literally calling out, they least say like six names in that song, how is nothing happening to them? What you mean nothing happening to them?

Well, it just mean like they're saying. I'm talking about from the police. Police. What? From the police, yeah. Yeah. From the police. What?

Oh. Oh, you don't like that. It's too nigger for you. But no, yeah, yeah, no, I get it. You would think that, especially with what's happening in Georgia, right? They're using lyrics in court. This to me is literally writing out like a... Because I think one of the songs that they do fully explains how they killed somebody.

It's not the ones we named, like full out, this is what we did, how we did it, how we killed him, what happened. How are they, how is this, okay. At the end of who I smoke, the last, I always fuck up the, the line. Hold on for a second. Who I spoke. Basmany goon, spin the bins, young and ace. Yeah, Spom Gama is not on that one.

So, lyrics. The last, this is the last, the last one here, on the last verse, It goes, I told a rocket when I travel, I'm pistol packing in Houston. I was lurking on his page and caught him lacking in Houston. We let off shots. He got shot and went live. I was tweaking like, fuck man, that bitch ain't died.

That is directly about Julio Fulio and how he got shot in Houston. Like, I'm pistol packing in Houston. I was lurking on his page and caught him lacking in Houston. We let off shots. He got shot and went live. I was tweaking like, fuck man, the bitch ain't died. It's like, and then in the next line, he says, when they diss on two times, we're going to spend a few times.

And so he's telling you right now, you dissing all my homies that's died, so I'm going to kill you in this same song where they dissing on their homies that died, so I'm going to kill him. Look, y'all, if the art of rap, if you care about the art of rap more than you care about the young men

who are spilling blood in these neighborhoods, I get it. I understand that if you want to make sure, if you don't want to jump off the ledge, I'm telling you right now, I don't fucking care about hip hop as much as I care about these guys, stop doing things that are putting their lives in danger.

Yeah. I don't care about hip hop as much as I care about them not murdering each other. I don't care about hip hop as much as I care about the artistic freedom in hip hop as much as I care about stopping the cycle of never-ending violence of 25 and 26-year-olds whose brains aren't fully formed yet who don't understand

the lives that they have to lead how long they are. Man, I saw an interview, shout out to Zane Lo. I saw an interview a couple of weeks ago of Chief Keefe. Chief Keefe was like 29 or 30. And Chief Keefe was talking about his youth and what he went through and how he came out the other side of it. He's about to drop music in a little while.

And it did my soul so good to see Chief Keep doing well. He got out of Chicago. I was going to say how to get out of it. He got out of Chicago. Look, he's had a crazy troubled situation filled with all kinds of terrible things that have been done. He's been accused of in the whole nine.

But like what I'm saying right now is it's just more to life than getting fucking murdered at the holiday end when you're 26 over some bullshit. I don't give a fuck what y'all say about it. I don't give a fuck what y'all say about it. I don't give a fuck about this music as much as I care about these little niggas getting toe-tagged, left and right, over nothing. Over nothing. Over nothing.

Hopefully it stops. Well, it'll stop if we get real about it. And anybody's coming out and having a problem talk to me about some motherfucking rap lyrics and kiss my fucking ass. That, like, that... I really can't believe people. are on you like that. It's not even about, forget about it being about me. That's because forget about me. The reality is that that's the conversation. The conversation is how much we should be willing to accept what artists can do and how much this is a reflection. They're killing them.

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So I would see him on no jumper a lot, right? cool love his commentary on a bunch of different things but in this in this clip he was upset about the lack of Mexican rap representation in Kendrick Lamar's pop-out show can we get the audio please the Mexican people were underrepresented there last night I feel it I can see that I can see that too man and a lot of people are telling me that I sound like bitter something like I'm not a rapper fool I'm not tripping about not being on stage I'm saying like oh geezie performed I think last night yeah did he that would have been nice if he would have been oh if he would now maybe maybe the young legend had something to do so

right dipped right because all the artists that did perform were up there thanks I respect it who was up there I don't I can't keep there there was a lot of people that went but I think oh jizi was the only person that didn't pop out out or were you going to say he's the only Mexican that performed? Both. Did he perform? Was he supposed to perform? He did perform, yeah. Oh, he did?

And I didn't see him perform because I caught it late. I saw the clip. I didn't even see that clip. What the picture of someone posting that he performed? Do you think it had something to do with it being Juneteenth? I don't understand. I thought Juneteens was like on the 16th or something like that. It was on June 19th.

It was Juneteenth. Yes. Yeah, it was Juneteenth. I respect it. Do you think that has something to do with it? had something to do with what the fact that they threw the show that day or that there were Mexicans on stage there you go do you think it was supposed to be like first of all let me start off by saying congratulations to Kendrick Lamar and all of the wonderful of individuals that

performed last night oh yes I'm not so I'm not trying to go racial with it but I will say I were just picking each other like picking each other brand apart although it was Juneteenth and I believe that in remembrance of the massacre I don't want to be wrong but is it in Tulsa or in Selma I don't even know or a place over there I could be wrong and I hate to be wrong but I know it's in remembrance of a massacre that took place right um I like to say that the Mexican people have been persecuted in this wonderful land for a long long long time okay man shut the fuck

Are you fucking kidding me? Ain't that? We didn't even need to talk about it. It speaks for itself. Are you kidding me? Listen, the fact that he kept saying, I respect it, I respect it. No, you don't respect it and you don't respect us. You don't respect our holiday.

You don't respect what people have been through, what black people have been through in this country to understand what Juneteenth represents and how far it goes back. You don't even respect it enough to do the research. You're just mad because you didn't see yourself represented on the stage. I understand you may be generally asking the question. All right, curious. Oh, why didn't I?

Just in the same sense that somebody might have said, why were there only L.A. people on stage? I think it's obvious. It's very obvious why there were no Mexican rappers. It wasn't an exclusion of, hey, we're the only thing that represents L.A. It was bigger than that. This whole back and forth with Drake and Kendrick is about the culture. It's about blackness.

That's why it was in Englewood on Juneteenth, June 19th, not June 16th. The cultural relevance goes completely over their head, which is actually why there was no representation for you on that stage. I just, this is just one of those things where it's like, not everybody should have a microphone. I understand he's a DJ. I don't even know his full history and what he represents. But please do your research and fully understand.

Or maybe this is where you ask your black friends. before you just get and do a think tank on the microphone and say embarrassing stuff like this. Yeah. So I want to acknowledge two things. One, we're not from L.A. Me and you. I've been here almost 20 years.

I'm not from L.A. Okay. Two, the relationship between blacks and Mexicans in L.A. is, from my understanding, it's a relationship that's different between blacks and Latinos and a lot of other places. There is a both sharing of a lot of things, but then there's also sometimes a bumping of heads and stuff like that. So I want to make sure I'm sensitive to the sensitivities

of the cultural realities of being black and Mexican in LA. Okay. I'll say something about this, though. This clip is a good explanation of the problem. And this is the problem. There is no world in which a cultural's expression can black people say, where are we? If it is a concert that's happening on Cinco de Mayo

or if it's a concert that's happening on Mexican Independence Day or if it's a concert that's happening anywhere, we can't say, okay, well, Where are we in this situation? Like, are we being represented here? Hip-hop becomes a black expression. It starts off with blacks and Latinos in New York, right? But particularly L.A. hip-hop starts getting going because of the black artists here that make it a deal, right?

This is a black celebration. There was Mexican representation up there. but to have people always think that they're supposed to be able to have some visibility in our cultural expression over and over again is exhausting. And we have this conversation so much about almost everything that it is that we do. We do something as black people, as black Americans, all we're supposed to do is give. We can't ask to be a part of nothing that nobody else do, right? we got to be super highly sensitive of every time we step on anybody else with cultural appropriation

and we police each other. But everything we do is up for debate or up for grabs. Everything we do is up for grabs. Every single thing that we do. The way we wear our clothes, the way we style our hair, the food that we eat, all of that stuff. It's all, everyone can have it. Everyone can have it and then basically then say there's theirs. That's another thing.

You make food or whatever it comes from somebody else. It's always yours. But us, we're supposed to be so giving with our culture that you can get mad at us when we're celebrating what we built on our holiday. And you don't even know what the holiday is for. Like you're completely ignorant to what the holiday is for. What Juneteenth is, the day that Juneteenth is, the day that Juneteenth, is the whole deal, you don't see any of us,

all you see is yourself. That is what we're talking about. Now, look, when West, you cannot tell the story of West Coast hip-hop without telling the story of Mexicans and hip-hop. And nobody's saying that. That's not what this was. You can't. But this was a specific cultural celebration

thrown by people and they did the way they wanted to do it. Can't we have ours? Do you think that part of that is we, not everybody, but often we allow people, we give to people some of our culture. Like we allow people to say, to think that they're a part of it in a way that maybe other people don't. I mean, in the sense, like, it's the same thing when you, you at the tweet, somebody tweeted, who are we inviting to the cookout or something like that? And you were like, we got to stop doing that. Yeah. it's too often we see that kind of thing of like, oh, who's invited or, oh, they get a pass, or oh, they got rhythm, or they can cook, or, you know, like, they're from here.

And we allow people to say, like, hey, they're a part of us, they're one of us, where you don't necessarily see other cultures do it in the same way. Yeah. So this is what I would say. And I've talked about this a little bit before. I want to make sure that Icault didn't come back in. say anything. Well, he did take the video down. The video has been deleted.

It'll be interesting the next thing that he has to say will be interesting. Okay, so this is what I'll say. So almost every other contribution that black Americans have made in the world has been covered up and minimized.

So any inventions that we've had, any contributions to science, technology, politics, anything that comes from an intellectual place, has been co-opted, taken, or suppressed. The one thing that it seems as if American culture and sometimes world culture accepts from us is culture, it seems like that's what we're, it seems like that's what. what they want. They want dance. They want food. They want entertainment. They want inspiration sometimes. Even our intellectual leaders

and change makers and taste makers, they kill them and throw them in jail, which is a deterrent to more people doing that. So as much as people revere Dr. King for the intellectual contributions and the changes that he made to society, in order for you to be Dr. King, you have to be cool with being shot in your head at 40.

Like, that's the trade-off. If you want to be Huey and Bobby, you got to be cool with going to jail. If you want to be Fred Hampton, you got to be cool with being shot in the middle of the night while you sleep. By the police. Poles.

You have to be cool with all of that. But, you know, if you want to sing and dance for that, 30 years, they might let you get that off. If you want to tell jokes for 30 years, they might let you get that off. You know, if you want to be behind the scenes and somebody else singing and dancing and telling jokes, if you want to act, they might let you get that off. You might be able to get that off.

That's something that you might be able to sell to American culture. But here's the thing. once you sell them your culture once they buy it they feel like it's theirs feel like they own it they didn't just buy the way that you walk

the way that you sing that they bought you and now when they repackage it and they do it they're going to forget you ever existed the Rolling Stones and the Beatles can get on stage

and talk about Muddy Waters and Chuck Berry and the rest of those guys, all they want. They can talk about Booker T and the MGs and Stacks Records and all of those points. All they want. All of they want, you got a crate day to go find those guys now. You remember the stones and you remember the Beatles and you remember all of those people.

Now, what's happened now is what's changed now is we're able to document our culture in real time, our culture of history in real time, so you can't tell us who invented the shit. We was there when it was invented. We've seen it on Twitter. We heard the music. We know where it came from.

And we over it. We over being told that the culture, which is the only part of the expression of black American thought that America even meets us on, right? We're tired of giving that to somebody else and them saying that I own it now. And so the reality is we can all. party together.

We can all eat together. But I don't want to take from you. Like, if we all do Cinco de Mayo, that's great. That's all fantastic. If we all do a celebration of Mexican heritage and culture or whatever, that's all great. It goes too far, though, when somebody else somewhere says that Cinco de Mayo isn't for Mexicans or it's not by Mexicans or anything like. that. Or the food and the culture and the songs, the contributions, all of that stuff.

Tupac Shakur is named after a very prominent Mexican activist that his mother really loved. Tupac Amaru, right? So, so, like, all of these things can be together. Just don't piss on us. it's just like where are we at during your holiday, during your expression, they only pull that shit with black people. Sure. I agree. This episode is brought to you by Spectrum Business.

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I thought we reported last week. I know, but do you think that's a real trend or you think that is a statistical anomaly? I think it's a trend. I mean, from March to now, you can see that there's an upward trend towards Biden. Yeah. Well, Trump revealed his favorite opponents amidst this presidential election during a campaign speech in Philadelphia on Saturday night. Donald Trump talked about who he wants to go up against. Give me the audio, Ashton.

And it was very into, they also did it, like, with Kennedy and with the other ones in there. Cornell West. He's one of my favorite candidates, Cornell West. And I like her also, Jill Stein. I like her very much. You know why? She takes 100% from them. He takes 100%.

So Trump is talking about the fact that Cornell West and Jill Stein take 100% from President Biden. in the race that is going to be probably decided by less than 500,000 votes, where every single percentage point counts. He likes the fact that Jill Stein and Cornell West are in the race. He doesn't like the fact that Robert Kennedy Jr. is in the race because he seems to hurt him. Him, although it's unclear, depending on which statistics that you listen to. Should Cornell West and Jill Stein drop out of the presidential race? Yes, yes, yes.

We've said it before. They're not going to win. They know that. I'm all about people standing up for what they believe in and doing it in this way, feeling like nobody's running or running to represent the country in a way that you seem, that you want seem fit. So I understand why. But right now at this point, if it's as close as you say that it's going to be, I'm not understanding why either one of them

wants to stay in the race. Marquette, shout out to my alma mater, Marquette Law School did a national survey where Dr. Cornell West got 5% support when the choices were expanded to third party candidates. Trump led with 41%.

This is something, this was like April. This was before he was convicted. Trump led with 41%. Biden trailed with 38 and Kennedy had 14. Stein got two. So if that's the case, let's just say that this poll is true. It's representative of the country. Those five points are extremely important.

And I'm reading stuff, articles now. NBC News did an investigation of Republicans that are helping. Because apparently Dr. Cornel West is spending more money on campaign designs than he is in putting money behind getting his name on the petitions. apparently like a former campaign staffer said that he doesn't really have an understanding of that. And so he's really struggling to get on a lot of the ballots in these states. And Republicans are helping him get signatures to get on the ballot. Republicans are blitz canvassing known for helping other Republicans get into the House, into the Senate, is the people, there are people literally listed who are like,

North Carolina is one state where they're doing it listed recruiting to get signatures to get him on the ballot. Of course, I should say that Dr. Cornwall West and his campaign have said that they have not paid anybody to do this. They were unaware that these people were connected to Republicans in this way. But the point being is that Republicans are putting their efforts behind Dr. Cornell West because he will take away votes. And if you know all of that, he knows all this information. I don't understand why you wouldn't remove yourself because I think Dr. Cornell West would agree that a country, he'd rather have this country run by Biden than.

Oh, I don't think he would agree with that necessarily at all. So he'd rather have Trump. I don't think he'd rather have either guy. Well, of course he'd rather have neither. That's why he's running. No. What I'm saying is I don't think, I don't think that Cornell West thinks that there's a material difference

between Joe Biden and Donald Trump. Well, I guess that's why he's running. Well, then... I would hope he would think that, but I guess not. I mean, it actually makes more sense for what you're saying because otherwise why would he be running? Yeah, I don't think that he thinks that there's much of a difference between the two guys.

I think a lot of people that are third-party proponents feel the same way. And these are people that are, I mean, there's a horseshoe situation that happens, right, with the far left and the far left and the far right where they both kind of come around to the same thing. I think a lot of people that are to the far left of the party, and I'm not talking about anybody that would be in

the Congress or like the squad members. I'm talking about to the left of the squad members. You know, to the degree that you think the squad members are super progressive and left wing, I'm talking about to the left of them. I don't think those people find, take any solace in voting for Joe Biden. Like if you had like Brianna Grayjoy in here right now, I don't think she, I mean, she's definitely

not a Biden fan. I think people that would caucus with her or have her same view of the world are certainly not going to be excited about voting for Joe Biden. I don't think Cornell, I think Cornell was one of those people. The question is not how sincere he is in that belief, but whether that belief serves the greater good. That's the case to me. The case

me is whether or not somebody that wants to vote third party, because remember, Mark Lamont Hill voted Jill Stein very famously in 2016 and then regretted it and talked about how, you know, it costs people because your vote for Jill Stein, and this is not about Mark, because he's talked about this and been very open about this, your vote for Jill Stein in 2016 might have cost women their reproductive rights. It might have cost Roe, right? it actually there's no might it did right if the margin at Jill Stein if that margin affected the election which I haven't looked at that directly how much of an

effect so I wouldn't want to just say that without actually having any data to back it up if that's the case then they changed their court their court made a decision and then that decision stripped women of their reproductive rights in states all over the place the question is, is that worth it? Is it worth it to be an idealist in the sense that you want to really start a new political movement while actual political movement

is happening? That's the question. I think what you're saying makes sense. If they truly don't see Biden better than Trump or Trump better than Biden, then why would they ever, you're never going to be able to convince them to drop out? Why would that ever change for them? Because if they don't see like,

oh, well, at least it would be better under Biden, then there's no, they're not going to, Dr. Cornell West is not going to drop out. Well, that's just signed. I mean, that's why the question has to be about. Or Robert, our RFK Jr. Yeah, that's why RFK Jr. is definitely not dropping out. Like, that's why the question has to be substantive. It has to be about policy and it has to be about data, right?

Because if we're talking about, if I'll take myself, if I'm talking about the difference between Biden and Trump. A lot of it has to do with what people who are organizing for policy and for outcomes that I feel like affect the greater good, a lot of it has to do with who they feel like they can work with. Right. And they feel like they can work better and organize better. I mean, AOC said this under a Joe Biden presidency, right? Donald Trump is going to take an adversarial role to almost everything that they're trying to do. So it's not really going to happen, right? I don't think you're going to get the first step act and things like that in the second

Trump term. I think a lot of the things that you're going to get are going to be a doubling and a tripling down and really a reward to his supporters that have stuck around with him this long through all of the problems that he's had. He's going to reward them with a lot of policy that is going to be regressive and very, very difficult to overcome, right? To me. A lot of people don't see that big of a difference. You know, a lot of people think, well, Biden's going to be soft on Israel. Trump's going to be soft on Israel. There might be different versions of their soft, but they're both going to be

soft. Biden is going to be for the military industrial complex. Trump is going to be for the military industrial complex. You know, Biden says that he's going to, you know, the Trump tax the Trump tax cuts end in 2025. So we'll see what they're willing to do or what Joe Biden can do or any president that's in that situation that's on the left can do to keep parts of that tax deal

that benefit people that make under $400,000 a year, maybe change the corporate tax rate back to what it was before those tax cuts that drove up the deficit. It's just all of this stuff. When you have two people that represent the corporate wings of their party, there are a lot of people that are on the far left

who just don't believe that those candidates have any worth. And the only way to buck that system is to introduce something new into it. So they're not playing a political game that's based on being pragmatic. Yeah. Yeah. So it's like there's not much of a conversation to be had.

That's, I agree. You know what I mean? It's like if there is an election in November that sees Donald Trump, as the winner, it could very well be the fault of campaigns run by Cornell West and Jill Stein. The question is, does that mean that they shouldn't run them? I mean, this is where it becomes subjective because I, as I just, as we started off this conversation, don't think that they should be.

But if they're of the belief that, you know, it would be the same under either one, and they're standing on what they stand and then they're going to say no. Like it's not taking it away. It wouldn't be any different. Whoever's, um, wins the presidency. So it's,

I mean, I'd be interested in having a conversation with one of them on the podcast, but I think that they would echo your sentiments in regards to why they're running. But do you know what? Do you know why I think it's,

um, and obviously Malini Abdullah is somebody who I have. We've had her on the pocket. We had, We've had her on a podcast, so we'd love to have her back. She is Cornell West running mate. Dr. Abdullah is just a light and a tremendous, tremendous, tremendous woman, like a fantastic lady.

I'll be interested in knowing just the, and obviously I know a lot about the platforms, but I've watched a lot of interviews and all of that stuff, but just in conversation talking to Dr. West about what he thinks the specific value of his campaign is being that he knows he's not going to win. But, I mean, with his set of policies and political beliefs, he just doesn't align with Joe Biden. I would be curious into what he thinks about these people, these Republican-led organizations canvassing and organizing. on his behalf in order to fight against. Because he's playing spoiler.

Because they know he's playing spoilers. No, I know, but I would want to hear him talk about it. Talk about that. I mean, look, I would be interested to know how much of our audience is on board with the third-party revolution. The reason why I say that is because I do think that our audience encompasses a lot of people. that there's a diaspora of the left on the side of our audience. There are people who are fucking super upset whenever I would give any criticism to Joe Biden. But there are also people who de massacre in Gaza is a third rail for them,

and they'll never vote for the president. Right. Like they'll never vote for him now. And that's, I wonder how far that goes with some people and what the conversation amongst our really informed, we have a really informed group of people who listen to the podcast. I would wonder how they view this and what they think. Because it's going to depend on turnout, right? So, I mean, I'm not mad at Dr. West.

I guess my question would be if Biden and Trump are not materially different for women, for black people, for poor people, for all of the groups that I know that they care about, it would just be interesting to hear why. It would be interesting to hear why from him.

And like I said, there's an argument that no corporate Democrat or no corporate Republican is actually interested in advancing seeing the lives, the franchisement, and the freedom of the average American, of the poor American, of advancing those causes. You say you wouldn't be, you're not mad at Dr. West.

I think, and I was thinking about that, as you said it, would I be mad if Trump wins because, you know, the numbers are so close. And when it comes to some of those key states where the margins are so slim that, you know, West took votes, or Stein took vote. away from from Biden. I'm like I wonder would I be mad? No, I don't know if I'll no. No, maybe I would.

But I think what Dr. West would say. You'd certainly be fucking arreting. I think what Dr. West would say is, well, then, you know, the Democrats should have put up somebody better than Biden. I don't think he would take blame for that. He would say people voted for who they wanted to. And if you're disappointed, and if your Democrat couldn't get enough votes, that's y'all's fault for putting up somebody who was.

not the stronger candidate. Do, last thing I'll ask you about this. If, if in fact, that set of circumstances came out to be what happened, Biden won and there was a significant percentage of people. You need Trump one? Excuse me, if Trump won,

and there was a significant percentage of people who voted for Jill Stein or Cornel West, if you gave you like four, what are the numbers again? Five. Five percent for who? For West. Five percent for West.

for chill. So 7% right. And if you could, and oftentimes that 7% if we're being honest are people, I know what people think, but oftentimes that 7% are people who would stay home. So the question is, how many of those people in that 7% and this goes for 2016 too, how many of the people in that 7%

would have voted for Joe Biden. Right. Or would 5% of that 7%, 6% at that 70%, 4% of that 7% have just stayed home and not voted at all, right? The question is, would you rather talk to Cornell West or would you rather talk to that voter? Oh. Because I actually, if there's anybody out there right now who's listening to this, I got to talk to my man Phil. Shout out to Phil from Black Man Bill. Man, support Philip Agnew, Teff Po.

Support these brothers that are out there doing stuff. Support Black Men build, man. Support them. They are really, really building comprehensive men in a way that is incredibly profound. They are such great, amazing men. I don't agree with them with everything politically. I agree with them on 95% of things politically. But they're fantastic guys.

But a Cornell West voter I think would be super interesting. So if you're out there right now and you're listening to this and you plan on voting for Dr. West and Melina Adula, Dr. Abdul, like, hit me up and maybe we'll get you on here to talk about. Yeah, I think that'd be interesting.

Yeah, to maybe have them around and see, would you like to do something like that? Would you like to do where we talked to three Biden voters, three Trump voters, three West voters, three Stein voters. I think that would be so interesting if we have people on here. I think it's interesting too. Just like normal people.

We got time to plan it too. Yeah, just normal people, not whatever, that just plan to vote for these candidates for whatever reason. I want to talk to the actual people that are making their decision and maybe not hear the talking points that we're going to hear from people that come on there, you know? Right. I like it. Yeah.

The double XL freshman class came out. Do you know what that is? Yes. I feel like you did this. to me last year, but go ahead. All right. There are 11 people on

the double XL cover. All right. 11. 11 double XL freshman cover 2024. We're going to do it. How many of these people do Rachel know who they are? All right. Out of 11. Rachel, have you heard of

Lay Banks? No. Maya the Dawn. No. Big X. The Club. Yes, Texas represent. Okay. Huncho.

Yeah, but I thought he's been out. Okay, but yeah. Skillababy. No. Cash Cobain. No. You never heard of Cash Cobain? Interesting.

I hate when you say. Interesting. Interesting. That Mexican OT. Yeah, he's on something. He's on, yeah. From Texas as well. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Maybe that's what it was. Mexican OT's... I was just listening to something with him. Shout out to the cowboy hat revolution. That Mexico, OT, I fuck with him. Richard Miri. No. Boss Man Delo.

No. You heard of Boss Man Delo. No. Give me the song. Boss Man Delo. Four bats. Dallas. Okay.

Shout out to Aaron. She reps them. That's how I just found out. I found out about them. Yeah. Yeah. They're from Dallas. Dallas, really...

Texas really represents on here. Texas is doing their thing. Scarlet. Yes, because of you recently. Right. Okay. So then it's 11 people on there. I got more than half.

I'm fucking with you. It's 11 people on there. You did your thing. Big X the plug. Scarlet. Four bats. That Mexican OT. And huncho.

Those are the people that you... Mm-hmm. This name might not even be huncho. Hey, do y'all know who? who this is? With an X? With a X. Is that Huncho? I always read it. Hancho. Yeah. Huncho. Shout out to these people. Shout out to these people on the front of this.

So you're what? Four out of... Five. Five out of 11? That's good. It's better than I thought. The ones I know were literally Damaskin O.T. Cash Cobain, Boss Man Delo, four bats, and Scarlet. You've never heard a Big X the plug? Nope.

That... I never heard a Big X the plug. He's probably one of the most popular ones on there. Yeah. Maybe I just... Have you guys heard a big ex the plug? Okay, we're one for one. I never heard of... I never heard of a big ass to plug.

But let me tell y'all something right now. The people that's 40 and over and are looking at the freshman list and don't know who the kids on a freshman list are. It's okay. It's okay. Would you have said that? If I had name one, I feel like no.

You would have just the level of disgust you have. Rachel. You don't know Cash Cobain? Rachel. Because Cash Cobain is actually famous, though. That's how I feel about Big X the plug. I feel you. Okay.

So, so this is what I would say. It's okay to be over 40 and not know the people that's on the freshman list. It's okay, man. You're not supposed to know. It's okay to move on. It is. It's okay to move on, man. It's okay to move on, man. It's okay to move on.

You know, me and Charlemagne was talking about this. Like, my parents, my parents in 93 wasn't like, oh, shit, when big he dropping? They weren't on that. But they knew who he was. They knew who he was, but they weren't like, like, they weren't, I feel like there's been a compression, a cultural compression of, of interests. You know, my pops wore different jewelry than me. He dressed different than me.

He listened to different music. He was from a different generation. My dad wasn't no 50-year-old guy with a choker, blinged-out choker chain on and a merry jeans. That shit was not happening. It's all so different. Think about it.

Have you seen the pictures where it's like the golden girls were 50 here compared to what a 50-year-old looks like now? 30's the new 20, 40's the new 30s. 30, 50s, and whatever. It's like, yeah, you still have people representing a younger dynamic because that's just what we tell each other. And honestly, I'm fine with it.

We're worse off for it. We're like, we're worse off for it. Get, look. I feel young in my soul. You are young. But like, but what I'm saying is feeling young in your soul is different than, you. projecting this toxic youth that makes you look like a fucking fool.

Okay, I'm not there. I'm not you. But I don't think somebody wearing a merry jeans at 50 is a bad thing. I think it is. What is, you don't have to be a certain age to wear a merey. I think there's...

And frankly, seeing how I'm into the 50-year-olds, I welcome the Amiri jeans. I don't think you need to be walking around with Noah Mary Jeans and with all of the chains on and all of that stuff at 50, man. It's okay to, it's like there's a swag that you get right in a way that you are that should be a little bit different. There's supposed to be some elevation and some change. Yeah, I agree. It's supposed to be different.

The youth culture is supposed to be less appealing. You're not supposed to want to know everybody on the freshman list. You're supposed to support these young artists, support them, and not, you know, whatever, whatever, but like, it's okay to get a little older, man. Get away from that shit. Well, then don't shame people when they don't know Cash Cobain. I'm just saying, Cash Cobain. I'm not trying to shame you.

I'm just saying to me, Cash Cobain is... You're guilty of it. That was toxic. I apologize. Right there. Look at that. Boom. Have I told you about my year of toxic apology?

No. Whatever happened. I just apologize. I feel like you don't mean it. I do. Right away, I apologize. No, no, no. You're just, no.

I'm sorry. It's not heartfelt. I'm sorry. I apologize. Rachel. Rachel, I'm sorry. I apologize. That's it.

You can't be mad anymore. I'm not. I'll apologize for it. Now, I've understood that by delving into a realm of toxic apology, it throws it back on the other person. It doesn't. I apologize. Somebody get it. Hey, sorry, my bad.

I apologize. Whatever. Right away. apologize for what? I apologize for whatever is fucked up. As a matter of fact, I want to issue something. This is a pre-apology. That you just press the button and play.

This is a pre-apology. I'm fucking sorry to y'all. Whatever happened, I didn't mean it. I'm sorry, my bad. So, pre-apology. Use this right here. This is the apology face. So whenever you want to say sorry,

whenever something goes wrong, I'm sorry. Because you know what? You know what the reality is? I really didn't mean it. Whatever happened. That's not true. I'm serious. Whatever happened, I did not mean it.

Like, I didn't. Well, let me tell you what I, so I can't rate your apologies then. Well, you should never want to rate my apologies because that's not great to do that. But you shouldn't rate my apologies. We should rate other people's apologies. Like my apologies to start off at an eight. Well, I can tell you right now, the one you just recorded, a one. Damn.

But you don't even know what I'm apologizing for yet. You don't either. What are the chances to you that Taylor Swift and Travis Kelsey get married? I don't care. I need you to tell me now. I just like can't care. I'm sick of it. What are the chances that Taylor Swift and Travis Kelsey get married?

Are you going over 50? Engaged or married? Because I could see them getting engaged. Actual married. Actual married. I'm going under. Under 50%. Why?

I don't know. I just don't care. Like, I'm trying. We don't care. Come on. Let's not end the podcast on this. I'm asking you, but it's very important. Why?

To who? It's very important to a lot of those. You don't think, you just don't care about like what the white people care about. Apologize to the white people. Is this what the setup was? No, apologize to them because that's an, that, okay, remember I told you about the apologies, that, that's an apology.

You should say sorry for not caring about Taylor Swift. You should say sorry for assuming that all white people care about Taylor Swift. I apologize. Let's go. Not you getting thumbs up. Let's go. Somebody has to balance it. I'm not apologizing.

Tell you think, caps off, but do not stop learning. I have Van Lekin Jr. I'm Rachel and Lindsay. Bye, guys.