Higher Learning with Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay - Trump’s Tariff War and Democrats Sing on the Floor

Episode Date: March 7, 2025

Van and Rachel reflect on the life and career of Roy Ayers (1:40) and discuss Trump’s tariffs on Canada, Mexico, and China (7:22). Then, Washington bureau chief for The Economist Idrees Kahloon joins to break down the economic strategy of the tariffs (28:26). Plus, Democrats protest through song (52:52), Ben Shapiro calls for a pardon of Derek Chauvin (1:08:52), and a young man dies while pledging Omega Psi Phi (1:14:00). Finally, Rachel names her top five interracial couples (1:29:01) and Sherri Shepherd has thoughts on revealing clothes (1:36:48).  Hosts: Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay Guest: Idrees Kahloon Producers: Donnie Beacham Jr. and Ashleigh Smith Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Yo, yo, yo, thought warriors. What is up? High Learning is on his I Van Lacey, Jr. And it's me, Rachel and Lindsay. Respond to my LSU mug. What do you mean to respond to it? You had a last podcast. And you said nothing about it.

Ew. Would you spit back into the cup? A piece of ice. Oh. What would you like for me to say? Something nice is like I changed my hair and you didn't notice. Okay. It's a very nice cup.

Thank you, Ray. You know, purple and yellow are two of my favorite colors. Yeah, I bet. I'll tell you this. Maybe the wrong time to say that. I know. That's purple and gold. You got your grill in.

I do. Show the people. Rachel, show the people your grill. I'm going to take it out, though, later. It gives me a little bit of a list. I think that's good to have the grill in. We should have, we should have grill. That's good.

Let's good. Where'd you get it? Zanthi. No, no, no. Zero. Let me get the name right. zero something grill. Right here in L.A.

There's a lady who makes corrective grills. Her name is Chrissy Rogers. Wait, is that it? She makes actual grills. Zero below grill. Zero below grill. She makes actual grills that they also either protect or correct your teeth. So it's a grill, but it's also like medical.

Oh, that's so smart. It is, isn't it? I might need to look into that. Chrissy Rogers. Yeah. Because I have this one. I have a little two piece. Two-piece. Two-piece grill?

Yeah. Yeah. That's dope. Sad news to start the podcast. Losing a lot of people. Roy Ayers, the godfather of Neil's soul, has died at 84. Legendary American Funk Soul and Jazz composer. Passed away, he lived 84 beautiful years and will be sorely missed. That's what his family said. They asked that you respect their privacy at this time. Pioneer of the jazz funk music.

Everyone loves the sunshine. that song is amazing. It really is. A lot of his music is just like press play and just vibe out to it. But what I never knew is that he was deemed the godfather of Neil's soul. That was new to me.

I didn't know that either. I didn't know that either until he passed away. I obviously knew about jazz funk and all of that. But I had no idea that he was deemed that. I thought that was something that started in the 90s. So that was, you know, obviously impressive, too, that he, you know, had that title.

Rest and peace, Roy Ayers. Who's on the Mount Rushmore of Neosol? See, obviously it's Roy Ayers, but I would have started. So I wouldn't say he's on the Mount Rushmore in Neosol because he's like, he's the forebearer of Neosol. I would have put, I would put Erica Badu, Jill Scott, okay. Indiari. Okay.

And I kind of want to throw in. Angie Stone in there. I know she was before. You don't put music Soul Child on the... No. I put all women. Oh, you're out of your goddamn mind. I like Music Soul Child a lot.

But when I think of the music, he's... I almost put him more at R&B. I know when he came out. I know it. I get it. Believe me, I know this genre. But I would put those four. Because they all have, they're all Neo-Soul,

but they all have their own flavor in a different bit. He leans more towards all. R&B when I think of him. Sorry. This is the, this is easy. The Mount Rushmore of Neal, so. Go for it. Yes, it's Jill.

Yes, it's India, Ari. India Ari, one of the most fabulous artists ever. Absolutely. That's why she's on it. Okay. It's definitely music soul child. Who is your force? It's definitely music soul child.

And then it's Erica Badu. It's one, Erica Badoo kind of, in a way, popularized the mainstream of Neo Soul. Indiari took it to these heights. Jill Scott is a mainstay, you know, everybody from Philly doing their thing, all of that. But you cannot have a Mount Rushmore of Neo Soul without music Soul child. Uh-uh. Maybe my mind was playing tricks on me, but I could have sworn.

that that kiss that was really truly for me. I like Neil. They said when his song came out, it was a complete contrast to the usual smooth Neo Soul music fans were accustomed to. Yeah.

To me, he's the, he is like one of the faces of Neo Soul. You hate him. No, I like Music Soul Child a lot, but when I think of my Neo Soul journey, it's hard for me to not include Angie Stone. I would have always included her.

Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. Rest and peace to Angie Sox. Rest and peace of Roar Ares. Shout out to Neo Soul. What a fantastic musical movement. And really, the last gasp of true R&B. I miss him.

Who? Music Soul Child. Yeah, man. It's time to drop. Shout out to other people that I don't think that PJ Morton counts as Neo Soul or anything like that. But all these guys really love that.

I used to be on that PJ Morton. Ian put me on that PJ Morton. The thing about living with Ian was that you had to because you have to get all the new cutting edge singing niggins. That's what happens when you're around a singing person, yeah.

Say, hey, bro, you heard of Bert Anderson? Nobody sings better than that nigger Bert Anderson. I'd be like, bro. Nobody. That nigger, Bert Anderson, he's from Mobile, Alabama.

He came up in the church and then he started playing there electric guitar. Now he does Neil's soul while he does the flute. Yeah. I know what you were here. It's like, Ian has heard of every single.

One time Ian came on, he put me on PJ Moore. We listened to PJ Morton. This is way before the rest of y'all was listening to PJ Morton. We listened to PJ Morton all the way going crazy back in the Green Hornet, which was his green secret. And that's why Ian has a successful podcast. Can we Talk R&B?

Subscribe, like, listen. Like, subscribe to Can We Talk R&B? A lot of stuff going on. I'm tired. Started and I'm tired. You're tired of news? There's just so much in the last 48 hours. It doesn't stop.

We set the topics for this podcast, and I think you sent over about five more. This just keeps coming and changing. Changing, I should say. We got to start with the tariffs. Let's go. You want to get into some tariffs? Donnie, you want to get into some econ?

I guess we got to. We have no choice. My worst class in college. Was economic? I have to talk my way into a sea. Hmm. You think Brian knew that? Sorry, what?

What does that have to do? Brian. It's a joke because he, Got the money from me. Okay, it was a good one. There's a good one. I really was like, I didn't know that nigga didn't go. I was like, what?

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slash bonus dash offer dash Herms. All right. This news has been changing by the hour, so it's possible that by the time this comes out this won't be what it is. But Trump, he enacted some tariffs against Canada, Mexico and China that went into effect on Tuesday.

Now, it looks like as of today, though, he has spoken to the Mexican president, and he will be holding off on those tariffs until April 2nd. And it looks like they're hoping the Commerce Secretary Howard Ludnik said that he's hopeful that that reprieve would also eventually apply to both Mexico and Canada. So this is a fluid situation, but let's get into what is going on economically with the U.S. and its neighbors in China right now. Rachel, what do you think the most important thing to talk about when the tariffs? We're talking about the tariffs are.

What do you think is most important? I mean, I think there's a lot of confusion and fear surrounding tariffs for the American people in the sense of it's the number one question, right? How is this going to impact me? How is this going to affect my well-being? I even want to know and understand that. We're getting this word tariffs is being thrown around a lot. but the ramifications of if these tariffs are,

well, they already have been applied, but what is the long-term effect? Will there be a long-term tariff? That's what I think is the biggest thing to talk about. Well, I mean, once you put a tariff on, it's kind of difficult to take it off. The Biden administration actually kept a lot of the Trump tariffs from before because once you have one on, it's hard to take it off.

So that's a really good point. And I think that's the other thing that when I say fear and confusion, that's the confusing part. We have, we see Trump say, I'm going to implement these tariffs and then we'll say, well, we're going to give you a month reprieve. Or, well, we're going to do this. And there seems to be so much back and forth. So it does seem like just on its surface that you can pull it back and forth. I mean, I know they haven't been implemented really at all, but he keeps going back and forth. And what we also want to talking about is there are more planned tariffs that he plans to do world.

not just on our neighboring countries. Okay, should we start with the chicken war? Let's start with the chicken war. You might have been hearing about this. People trying to explain tariffs and they talk about the chicken war. Let's get into the chicken war so you guys understand how terrorists are used or how they have been used

and one of the easiest to explain examples. West Germany, 1962, the people loved American chicken. They loved it. I wonder if there was a lot of niggins. I knew there was going to be an excellent. extra thought. They loved American chicken. They were buying a lot of chicken from the Americans.

The world. Or a specific country. I'm sorry. Well, we're talking specifically about West Germany. Oh, you said Germany. I was scared. Sorry, sorry. So they're buying a lot of chicken from America. And American farmers are selling like $50 million with a chicken. It's a lot of chicken in 1962. So what happens then?

European farmers get mad. They say, hey, this is a huge chunk of our market. and we want them to buy our chicken. So a group that would go on to become the European Union, they slapped tariffs on American chicken, which takes the price of chicken up like 70 cents or something like that. It's a lot for people. And obviously, when the people in West Germany or importers or whatever,

that price gets handed on to them because the, The tariff is paid by the importer. So you pay the tariff and then that price gets passed on to the consumer because these margins are so low, these profit margins that you're not going to eat that price. You're going to offset it by making the goods and services higher. So they do that with the chicken and people stop buying the American chicken. It works. It's protectionism. Tariffs can be used as a.

measure to protect either domestic production or the interests of something inside of a specific country. The United States fights back. Okay. They then place a 25% tariff on German trucks, tariff that exists till today, on German trucks. So who ends up losing in these situations? The consumer.

Right. Americans no longer have certain trucks from, from Germany, and the West Germans have to pay a premium for the chicken. That is an example of two different types of tariffs, one tariff that is protectionist in protecting domestic production of a good. And then a second tariff that is reciprocal, which is really a reticular. tallyatory tariff, throwing a tariff onto a good because you're trying to punish a country or a group of countries out of doing something. Now, with these tariffs, we're going to have an economist on pretty soon, so you guys don't have to worry about us battling through this. With these tariffs, it is unclear what Trump is trying to do. Yeah. Some say that Trump wants to

find a way to replace the income tax system with tariff. in which case, last year in income taxes, he paid $2.4 trillion. There's no possible fucking way. No way. Okay. Other people are saying that Trump is doing one of two things. One, he's trying to reorient the world order around the United States, making everybody come to him and using fentanyl or the border or anything like that as an excuse.

to do that. The last thing could possibly be this. What you talked about earlier was when you put the tariff in place, you can then grant a waiver. You can grant waivers to different businesses, places, things like that for these tariffs or reprieves on them. You can pause them, start them, stop them. He might be using the tariffs as a way to bring these other nations to their knees and make them have to come to him as king. to get these late night phone calls, what are we going to do, Mr. President, to get these specific businesses or industries,

to to kowtow to him to need his favor, to have to bend the need to him or face economic destruction? Well, I think it's the latter because that seems to be more in line with how he's been acting and really how he's been acting within our own government as well. He's acting like a king.

He's acting like a dictator. He's dishing out these orders and expecting people to follow them. And if you don't, then there is some sort of a threat. I guess I just don't see long-term how this can work. I think that when he initially mentioned the tariffs in February, and then we saw immediately both Canada and Mexico say,

well, we talked about this on the podcast, but they really just agreed to do things that they had already agreed to do under the Biden administration. A month later, President Trump, without any evidence, without any sort of additional information, says what they're doing is not enough and now I'm implementing these tariffs. We're seeing them

you're throwing your hands up. Why are you doing that? Because I was admit that I misjudged my initial response to that stuff was wrong. I admit that. Yeah, yeah. But this is what I was afraid of.

This is what you're afraid of. And so now it's looking like we're headed to a trade war. It's looking like there are, well, not looking like there are retaliatory tariffs already being implemented. And I just don't understand, to your point, how this fares for the American people or just the country, America, in general. I mean, historically, you see that when, like, right after the stock market crashed and we implemented tariffs in order to protect the farmers and the economic interest there, we had, retaliatory tariffs. It doesn't do well. It didn't do well for them. It didn't do well for us. So I just don't understand the long term or see how the goal is. This is really going to help us.

I know one thing that the Trump administration is saying is, well, this is just going to make everybody manufacture things in the United States. But that's not, let's just say best case scenario, that's not going to happen overnight. That's not going to happen in a month. At the end of the day, the consumer will be impacted for it from it. You're really, risking inflation. You're risking domestic producers are going to raise their costs because they're being affected by the prices. It adversely is going to affect productivity because we're losing access in the most efficient way to produce goods and

services. And then the geopolitical part of it, we're violating treaty wars, which we've already seen, I'm sorry, not treaty agreements, which we've already seen Mexico Trump say that he is going to agree to what the agreement has already been, whatever goods and services are protected under the Canada Mexican agreement, he's already saying he's going to honor that. If he keeps acting the way that he does, it's going to affect our geopolitical interests. Other countries see that we're willing to violate treaties that have been in place

in order for our own selfish interests. It's everybody's watching what we are doing, and that's why I think it's going to affect us even on a, grander scale if this is the route that he continues, which I already mentioned, he plans to implement even more tariffs worldwide. I think that that is part of the plan. I think part of the plan is Donald Trump wants to remove America from depending on other countries. Not even depending on other countries. He wants to remove American cooperation with other countries in order, in my opinion, to align himself with the rest of the strong men that wield control in their own.

countries, right? He doesn't want to be a part of the even idea of a world order of liberal democracy. And I say the idea of it, because what we're essentially talking about is some of the most imperialist, bloodthirsty expansionist countries in the world who have come together to try to put a clean face on liberal democracy. I'm not in any type of ambiguity over that fact. But what What I am saying is that Donald Trump wants to realign with the Russians and the Chinas of the world. Now, he has placed some tariffs on China. Right. The Chinese have said, nook, if you buck.

If you knock, we shall buck. Okay. But he's no longer interested in the United States cooperating with these countries in the way that they have in the past. To me, what the tariff essentially is, and shout out to the majority report, Sam. Emma. What the what the terrorists really are, how they really work, is as a regressive tax to the American people.

You are going to see essentially what a regressive tax is for people out there. A progressive tax is a tax that affects people with higher incomes. A regressive tax is a tax that disproportionately affects people with lower incomes. The American people, the lower

part of the American workforce, or lower income workforce is going to bear the brunt of this. Which the administration is admitting to. Right. And Elon Musk. Actually, let's, Donnie, play that. This is what Elon Musk had to say about the tariffs.

Even before Trump was elected, play this. This is what Elon Musk had to say. I have to reduce spending to live within our means. And that necessarily involves some temporary hardship, but it will ensure long-term prosperity. That's an admission right there. We know how

that works. If you are rich and flush with cash. Not only do you have more discretionary income that you can spend on different things, but any price increases are less of a percentage of your overall income. You're spending less money on day-to-day living needs. So these tariffs are going to affect you less.

And you can come back and pillage the economy after it is wrecked because you got so much cash. So the people that are going to pay for Trump's vision of the world for Trump's new type of economic government is you. You pay for it. You pay for it when you buy your groceries, when you buy your liquor,

when you want to get lit off that hinnett dog dog. You're going to feel it. When you want to buy a new car, Fox News, went to a car plant in Wisconsin or somewhere like that. The guy's talking to the dude from Fox News. This is very funny. By the way, Don, I want you to play this. This is very funny.

The guy from Fox News goes, hey, this car was $80,000. On Monday, it's $100,000 now. Now, some of those tariffs were kind of rescinded by Donald Trump as he gives the auto industry a little bit of a reprieve, I think, to kind of see what the market is going to do and kind of see who he can bring to the table. After he had a meeting with Ford and General Motors and all of these people, yeah. Right.

But the funny thing was how Maria Bartoloro Leromo, Bartolomo Barta Maria? Who cares? Yeah, how she reacted. She reacted. She legitimately freaked out after they came back to her. She's like, yeah, well, yeah, okay, yeah. So yeah. But who would, how many Dodge Rams are they?

But think about it. We built our business around that. The OEMs built their business around that. And now it changes on a dime. And we can't build a $4 billion plant overnight in the United States. So I think building in the United States is great. I think enhancing the participation from the other countries on the other things,

but this is pretty radical. I hear you. There you go, Maria, where the rubber meets the road here. All right, great. Yeah. Pennsylvania. Exactly. Jeff, thank you. Thank you so much.

Jeff Locke at the Dodge Ram plant. I mean, not plant. It's not a plant, Chris. They're selling cars. Thank you. Dealership. But you know what? Let me, let me ask you this. Okay. How many Dodge Rams do you see driving around Europe? Okay. How many Dodge Rams do you see driving around India? I mean, not many, I bet. Why? Because they don't buy our cars.

And that's what President Trump is trying to change. Maybe Dodge should start building them here and selling them here. She saw firsthand what these tariffs are doing to American business. She's lost it. She's so gone on the Donald Trump sauce. Right. Losing the sauce that she lost it. Which, can I just say is the theme of anyone who's supporting Trump and his administration.

Every time you cheer, you vote, you clap, whatever, whatever it is, you get on a mic and defend, you are voting against your own interest. Every single time. Yeah. The Chinese NBC. see, man, China said, they're not fucking with it. They said if war is what the U.S. wants, be it a terror of war, a trade war, or any type of other war, we're ready to fight till the end. I'll tell you what the Chinese are good for. The Chinese are good for making some threats.

I mean, what did they expect? That's where it goes back to your central question. Anybody could say that this. this would have been the expectation from you imposing tariffs, as we would say, unnecessary tariffs on these neighboring countries and China. So then what is the end goal? That's the question. Hopefully the economists can answer that.

You know what's funny? I remember I'm looking for the quote right now. I'm looking for the quote from a Chinese guy in the 90s. when I think there was some hula blue over ships that were parked outside of Taiwan. And the Chinese wanted the U.S. to move the ships. It's like 95 or something like this because I remember I spent a whole summer freaking out about it. And when they asked the Chinese diplomat about whether or not the U.S. was going to move the ships, the ships, I think what I remember him saying was, I don't think the U.S. wants to lose Los Angeles. Fuck around. Say this.

You've seen people everywhere. You've seen the Premier of Ontario, Doug Ford. You've seen the Chinese. You've seen Justin Trudeau, who's the Prime Minister of Canada. I've seen all of them react very strongly to these tariffs. Canada has put tariffs on $100 billion worth of American goods. All kinds of different stuff is happening. The question is, this is the central question,

because this is Trump's bet. Trump's bet is that Americans are more durable to emiseration than these other people are. These tariffs threaten to put

Canada into a recession, really disrupt Mexico, and expose a Chinese economy that is not super strong right now. Okay. The question is, which is a lot of times the question with the Donald Trump administration, is who can be miserable for the longest amount of time?

Which group of people will put the pressure on their elected officials to make some sort of concession? Will the American people feel the brunt of this and go, this is not what we voted for. This type of economic strife is not what we're here for. And we are going to call upon the Democrats or House and Senate Republicans or someone to talk to Trump to get these tariffs removed. Or will a Canadian recession, there's an election coming up in Canada, will a Canadian

recession realign them politically and make them fall in line with Donald Trump? Same question with China, same question with Mexico, same question with any of the places that these tariffs are going to specifically affect. The question is for anybody is which group will turn and really disrupt the political order, the fastest? I think that's what's the craziest thing. You're right. I think the craziest thing to me is he's people,

the American people need to realize, specifically the ones who voted for him in this administration, that he is playing with your interests. He is leveraging you in order, to get what he wants, which even if he gets it at the end of the day, will it even really benefit you? That's a question that I need these people to ask themselves. Well, we're going to ask the question now because we've had enough of us being the

economist. That was Van and Rachel economic form. Okay. Call me Van Paul Krugman-Laython. Call me Rachel Lindsay. Kinsey and Lathen. Robert Rice Laithen. No.

Okay, give me a job. We're going to bring somebody in who knows a little bit more about this. Idris Kalloon, who is the Washington Bureau Chief for the Economist, leads coverage of the White House, Congress, and national politics. Prior to that, he was a Washington correspondent and U.S. policy correspondent, graduated from Harvard. Harvard. Harvard University with a degree in applied mathematics and economics.

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And also what seems to be the trade war after it, why is this happening? What will be your answers to that American citizen? Yeah. So Donald Trump has always liked tariffs. He has said that tariff is his favorite word in the English language. And so he thinks that any country that has a trade surplus with America is ripping America off. He thinks that's what's going on. And with Mexico and Canada, he's said a few things.

He said it's because of drugs and immigration, which maybe you could make the case of, in Mexico's case, not so much for Canada. but I think most of all, it's not just those things. And he talks about wanting manufacturing to come back to America. But I think really the reason that he does it is because it gives him power. You know, a lot of leaders have to call him, try to get these restrictions lifted. You see that already what's happened. He's just announced today.

He's going to put them off for another month. I think it's the leverage that they give them that really excites him the most about them. I think a lot of people, they hear tariffs, they hear, Donald Trump use it all the time. It's his favorite word. But want to understand how will this directly impact me? Let's just say these tariffs are implemented and the long-term effect. How will it affect the middle class, the lower class?

What does that look like? Especially when we know that majority of the vote or for the voters who voted in this past election, the economy was their biggest issue. Yeah. No, very concretely. 40% of the fresh produce that we get in America comes from Mexico. So that means that if the 25% tariff is in place, you know, avocados are 25% more expensive or citruses, tomatoes, etc.

Cars, you know, have already gotten more expensive and they will get even more so if these were put in place. So 40% of Nissan's cars that come into America are actually manufactured in Mexico and shipped over. Actually, even American car makers, their cars are basically across the border multiple times as they're produced. You know, one part will we put on to Mexico, it'll go to Canada, it'll come back to the United States for processing. So the actual cars themselves, even American-made ones, would become more expensive. That would be a really, really big one. You know, America, Canada, Mexico have really integrated supply chains for a lot of things.

And if you're applying a tariff of 25% every time they go across the border, that's going to add up to a lot of money. And, you know, China, the tariffs there are going to be 20% now. America imports a lot of things from China. So it's going to manifest itself in more spending at the grocery store, more spending at the car dealership and really just probably everything. The Biden administration elected to keep some of Trump's tariffs on after he passed them or implemented them in his last administration. Talk a little bit about how durable tariffs are and why the Biden administration might have done that.

Yeah, yeah. No, that's a very good point. So in his first administration, Donald Trump did put tariffs on China. A lot of those were based on national security concerns. And the Biden administration shared the view that America needed to maintain tariffs on China in order to keep competitive industries at home. Now, the Biden administration's focus and phrase for that was a small yard and a high fence. They wanted to limit trade in a few.

areas that were sensitive to America, semiconductors, artificial intelligence, so that America had an advantage. What Trump has done now has gone beyond even those two things. He said 10% across the board originally, and now with his new action, it's 20% across the board on everything that America imports, including things that are not, you know, sensitive to national security. So one of them was essentially a scalpel. The other one is a gigantic, hatchet, meat, cleaver, chainsaw situation, right? Yeah, chainsaws are the tool of choice these days. One of the things that the Trump administration says is that this will force the things that we normally get from these other countries to bring it back to America.

We'll manufacture them here. We'll produce those things here. How likely is that to happen and how soon if you can even say that? Let's just say, yeah, these tariffs are there. So now we're moving everything back here. Is that something that's really going to happen? And how will that, if at all, benefit American citizens? He's right that if you increase tariffs, you will incentivize domestic manufacturing.

And that can happen quickly for some things that are easy to move into the states. But these auto supply chains, for example, are very complicated, very hard to entirely move into America. So there it would be disruptive probably for a period of months, maybe even years. But, you know, we have experience of this. his steel tariffs, for example, that he put in place in the first administration, they did incentivize steel production at home. It was just less efficient than what we had before. And that's what you'll see as well.

You will see a small effect of increasing manufacturing at home, but it will be less efficient than it was before. I mean, one way to think about this is imagine America as a free trade zone. And Idaho is really good at making potatoes. Florida's really good to making oranges. if Florida and Idaho decide to put tariffs on each other's products, you might encourage people to try to grow

potatoes in Florida or oranges in Idaho, but they wouldn't be great, and they would be a lot more expensive as well. How much on average did we pay for the job creation that some of these tariffs incentivized in the first, in Trump's first term? Meaning that if there was jobs that were created,

how much money did we pay per job based upon the fact that we then had to pay essentially billions of dollars of a regressive tax to create those jobs. Is there data on that? Yeah, there have been. I don't remember the off the top of my head, but it's something like several hundred thousand per job.

And obviously the wage of those jobs is not that $100,000. A lot of that is being lost to the inefficiency of imposing a tariff on all these goods. So essentially, I want to make sure people understand that, meaning that let's, if you created like a thousand jobs And then we paid a billion dollars in tariffs. That means if you were to do the math, which I'm not going to try to do, you divvy that up. That's how much each job costs you.

And I just don't know if that expensive method of job production is it works for the American people. No, no. I mean, there are some cases where you could say it's important for us to make steel at home. It's important for us to make semiconductors where the price is worth it. And you could make that case. But, you know, avocados, tomatoes, cheap consumer goods, you know, a bit harder to say that you should be paying a lot more

because it's just worth it for that stuff to be made in America. I want to talk about the farming industry because we've seen that obviously was an issue or they were having issues prior to even the Trump administration. And then with Doge coming in and making some of these cuts and the impact from that, now you're having this with these tariffs, that are being implemented or potentially being implemented,

what is the impact on the farming industry with all the things that have come about under this current Trump administration? Yeah, I mean, it'll be big. The exact amount remains to be seen. But what happens when America imposes these large tariffs on other countries is they don't just take it lying down. They respond and they retaliate

and they impose tariffs on goods that are particularly politically sensitive. A lot of Republican senators come from agricultural states, a lot of representatives represent those districts. And actually when people are coming up with these lists in China or in Canada, they know which manufacturers are in which districts and they intentionally try to target them.

I'm from Kentucky. A lot of them target whiskey. Because that's where Mitch McConnell represents Rand Paul. So they're very happy to target them on there. For farmers, what that'll mean is they know that farming is sensitive to rent state senators. They will impose tariffs on them. And

that will hurt the farmers who are used to selling and producing amounts that they sell not just domestic audience, but widely and abroad. And so if that is allowed to happen, that will be harmful for Trump. That will be a political, there will be a political backlash. Last time around, he sent the money, basically. Yeah, yeah, yeah, he sent the money to compensate them for the harms that the trade war caused. This time, he's pursuing a trade war that's even higher. even more intense.

So he will need more money in order to do that. And importantly, he'll have to have Republicans in Congress be willing to stomach the blowback and the criticism that they'll be getting when they go back home. I have a question about that in a second, but before I do, I've heard crazy theories that Trump wants to get rid of income taxes and replace those with generating money through tariffs. How realistic is that? And have you heard that as well? He said that he could pay for some of his tax cuts using tariffs.

you won't be able to get rid of the income tax in order to fund all of this. The math doesn't work at all. Even if he does really, really big tariffs, we're talking several hundred billion dollars a year that America could be taken in, which would be serious. But the tax cuts that he wants to do are going to be $4 trillion over 10 years. That's just extending the tax cuts that he passed in the first term. And he wants to do more than that.

He wants to do no tax on tips, no tax on overtime, no tax, Security benefits, et cetera, et cetera, that's going to add up to the tab. So there's no way you can pay for that just with tariffs alone. How much of what was in the resolution that was passed last week do you think will actually be in the budget when it's all said and done? How close to the budget that is actually passed? We know that they'll be voting on a continuing resolution, I think, next week. Oh, my grandmother's birthday. Happy birthday, Mom.

Happy birthday, March 14th, we get to see whether or not the Democrats pass the budget for you. how much of that resolution do you think will end up being in the budget that is actually passed once it gets through the Senate and all of that? Yeah, yeah. I think probably there won't be a shutdown on your grandmother's birthday so she can celebrate, I guess. I want him to shut it down. I want him to shut it down. I want the Democrats to stand up and say, look, unless we take a serious look at what Elon Musk is doing over there at Doge, we're not going to give you the votes that you need for a clean CR or even a little bit of a dirty CR.

But I don't know if that'll happen. Maybe they can't stomach that, but you don't think it'll happen now you've dashed my hopes. But how much of that budget do you think will actually be the budget that actually makes it to the president's desk? You know, I think it'll actually depend a lot on how much pushback they get because what they've suggested that they want to do is cut healthcare and education spending by $880 billion. this is the budget that they would like to pass. And, you know, Democrats will have to push back against that. Medicaid, for example, would probably be the biggest place where there would be big cuts of the health insurance program for poor Americans.

You know, we saw when Trump came into office the first time, the first thing he tried to do was get rid of Obamacare. And they had every intention of doing that and it failed. They failed to do that in part because of pushback that got to Republican senators. and they had to move on to something else. And so I think that they have every intention, I think, of going forward with the plan that they've laid out. But if there is dramatic pushback to it, then I think that just like you saw last time,

you could see them change in plans again. Question about the tariffs. Talked about already that, you know, the administration is saying the goal is to move the production back here. But if these tariffs continue to be implemented and we get this money, where does it go?

I think just the treasury will get it. So it'll be like, it'll be like the tax revenue. Okay. What we talked a little bit about before you came on, about how the populations of these different nations will take to this. Because it essentially will be a contest to see which population can deal with the most amount of economic misery before the masters of their universe universe is capitulate.

The Canadians could go into a recession. We're going to see even higher prices here at home. And then Canada's economy, which is floundering a little bit right as Canada, China's economy, which is floundering a little bit right now, might also see some tough times. If you were guessing which group of people is going to raise, I mean,

certainly won't be the Chinese, population, but between the Canadians and the Americans and the Mexicans, which group is going to raise holy hell the most and compel their leaders to act the fastest based upon the economic ramifications of the tariffs? Can I give a D? None of the above answer? Oh, wow. Okay.

I think it'll be the stock market and the bondholders, the real masters of the universe. because already and Trump's Trump is scared of them I think that's what that's the only limitation that we see on him that's why he keeps

threatening to do it and then moving back but in all these countries like you said they're more export dependent on sending stuff to us than we are on sending stuff to them

and that's why you've seen Trudeau and Shine bomb and even Xi Jinping kind of you know say yeah we're going to do a little bit more on the border we're going to do a little bit more here you know they're trying to mollify Trump

but Trump is is not afraid of kind of reactions for them. He's scared of the stock market going down. He's scared of the bond market saying, what are you doing? You know, we don't trust the U.S. debt as much. So I think that they're probably the people that I would, that will react the fastest and will matter the most. Is there anything for them to gain by these tariffs? Is there, because what I'm trying to decipher and make sure our audience understands is if what you're saying is what happens to you at Ralph's or Vons is directly tied to what the rich masters of the universe,

the bondholders, the bean counters, all of these people are going through. I guess my question is, what is the direct incentive for them on either side of it? Is there any way that Trump could compel the business community, which he is very close to, to ride this out? Is there any way that this works for them? or are our fates tied,

which is what's bad for us is bad for them, which I don't think a lot of people feel like that just generally. They kind of feel like, well, we were in a goddamn hole in COVID and all of these guys got fucking richer. So I guess the question is, is there any way that we'll actually be connected

or do they have a different set of priorities than what we will? So I think in this case, the incentives are aligned. And business likes free trade. I mean, tariffs are tax, right? Do businesses like tax? No. Do ordinary people like tax? Sales tax?

No. So in this case, they don't want it. And businesses also hate uncertainty, right? That's really bad for planning, you know, all the American car makers who are having to think about, oh, what do we do with our supply chain? They don't want to do that. They want to keep making cars and selling them, right? So in this case, they are aligned. I think the only, if you want to be cynical,

Which I always do. Which they do. The way in which they could be convinced to ride along with this is they know that Congress is thinking about tax cuts. And those include on the corporate side and the individual side. And they know that Trump could change the terms of the taxes or he could ask for them if you change. And so I think what you've seen so far is that the business community doesn't like the tariffs, but they're not raising holy hell about it because they know there's this very important thing. that's winding his way through Congress

for the next few months. And they don't want to ruin their relationship with Trump just yet, especially because they think that maybe he'll back down when he sees the stock market start to tank a little bit. And they might be right about that. So as a citizen,

I'm sitting and I'm watching and seeing what's happening. And I don't like it. And I'm wondering, and I'm seeing that the way things are headed, this is going to affect me financially. I'm going to suffer as inflation. goes up as prices continue to go up and I'm wondering how can Trump

and his administration be stopped? How can we stop things from going the way they're going? You wrote an interesting article titled Democrats are struggling to respond to Trump which we'll get into later about how the Democrats on the show reacted to

the joint session speech. Disgusting. But you have an underlying thought of first the party must work out what it stands for, which I think a lot of us have that question. Can you speak to that? Yeah, absolutely. I think the party is still figuring it out very much. I mean, whenever you lose an election, you don't have a leader of the opposition anymore. The role that's filled by the

president just isn't there. And the party has a divide now between people who think that it went to left, and that's why they lost. And people who think they went too moderate and two pro-business, and that's why they lost. And basically, those two factions are going to be duking out for the next few years. And they won't really have a chance to show their political strength until the midterm elections for two years from now. And they won't really have a decided party platform until the next presidential candidate is picked. I mean, politics are just going to be in a flux until that point. So Democrats have a little bit more time to spend wandering the wilderness before they figure out what exactly they are as a party and how exactly they can muster a coherent

response to Trump. Because right now, I don't think that they're doing terribly much, especially in Washington. A quick, quick follow-up. The new chairman of the Democratic National Committee, he says that anyone saying we need to start over with the new message is wrong. We got the right message. Do you think that's problematic? Because I don't think a lot of people, especially who align with the party or who vote left, feel that way. They do feel the message needs to change. Yeah, I think, I don't think that was this with the best words. I mean, you just lost the popular vote to Donald Trump, right? I mean, part of me, when I think about all this, you know, obviously there are consequences we have to think through. But I also think Donald Trump didn't hide what his agenda was. I mean, he was pretty upfront. I'm going to do tariffs. I'm going to do all of this. I'm going to do all of that. And, you know, the Democrats were posed an alternative. And a majority of the American, sorry, not a near majority of the American people, more people went for that than Kamala Harris. And Democrats need to understand, okay, if we know that this guy is so awful,

how is it that our person was worse? You know, that's a pretty searing question. And I think it's, I don't think it's just, you know, messaging. I mean, Kamala Harris had $1.4 billion that she spent in 107 days. She bought a lot of messaging, right? You know, so I think the introspection will need to go a little bit deeper than that. Last question for me. And thank you for joining this so much.

Thank you. economic animus bad not great not great for the world some people are wondering because you're seeing the Chinese talk a little tough

everybody's got to get tough how much does this economic trade war between these nations put them in risk of actual real

real multinational war type stuff. People are wondering do these bad feelings spill over into proxy situations everywhere? Does this ignite a flame?

Is this the thing that's going to take the United States, Canada, excuse me, Chinese, like almost cold war with Taiwan battles, stuff like that, into someone actually doing something?

how destabilizing will something like this be if it gets really, really bad? So I think the good news is that trade wars don't usually start hot wars. Nice. If there's a hot war, a trade war will follow. There will be sanctions and all these kinds of things. We saw that with Russia, for example.

But in this case, I think that a lot of people don't think that however ugly tit for tat the trade war gets with the U.S. and China that'll result in fisty cuffs and blows and all that. So that's, I think, the good news. I think the tough thing is, you know, America didn't trade with the Soviet Union basically at all during the Cold War. And that kept things frigid. The fact that we trade a lot with China, I think, is probably stabilizing force in its own, right? And if you remove those ties gradually, you remove some of those stabilizing figures, right?

And I think that could be a problem. But at the moment, I don't think it'll kind of escalate beyond this. Last question. Great this interview. Oh, I thought it was great. I had a great time. Why? Just making sure we're like, look, we're dedicated to being better.

You don't understand. We're dedicated to being the greatest interviewers ever. Okay? So just, just you didn't give us a letter grade. Like we studied for you. Great this interview. Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

I thought it was an A. I don't know. Oh. My first A. Take that. And economic. Take that, Reddit. I barely pass. Is there any, just a catch-all question? Is there anything we didn't ask that maybe we need to know? Or maybe we need to look into more. You love you so much. Yeah. Oh, no, no, thank you. I appreciate. That's actually the question I end a lot of my interviews with. So I know it's useful. I think, you know, we had a long history of tariffs in this country. Like the 19th century was a lot of people getting mad about tariffs and farmers getting angry. and going through all of that.

In 1920s, we had a bad history of a tariff. So, you know, the only thing I'd say is that if you're interested in it, like, we've debated this question a lot over the course of the American experience. And, you know, we arrived at this low tariff consensus and now we're going back. But I think that that arc of history, maybe I just like reading other stuff is interesting to read about. Thank you. Thank you so much, Idris Kalloon.

We will continue to follow and watch your. work, tell people where they can come talk to you, aka the tariff master, where they can follow your work and see you. And by the way, can we ask you back as this stuff continues to get more heated? Because we need to know. I'm in the market for a house, man. So I need this stuff. I need to know this stuff.

Can we ask you back? Yeah, of course. I love to help you. Now is the time to buy? That's what you need to be asking. Next. said, yeah, I'm at the economist. You can follow our work there.

And I also host a weekly politics podcast, my own arrival to you guys called Checks and Balance, which I hope some of you will look at. There you go. Well, thank you for joining us on How I Learn About, man. Appreciate you. Thank you. Yeah, thank you. Take a break from economics, but stay within the realm of politics. He gave his first address to Congress

since being reelected, I guess, to Congress and the nation. And there was like some Democratic protests. Attendees held up signs that read false and lies and some other messages. And the Democratic Women's Caucus wore pink. The Congressional Black Caucus wore black. And other members wore blue and yellow in support of Ukraine. But the biggest, I think, former protest came from Representative Al Green from Texas who heckled Trump and was removed during the session. And because of that, he's been censured. The House voted today. And let me play audio of what happened when that announcement was made on the floor.

By its adoption of House Resolution 189, the House has resolved. That Representative Al Green be censured. That Representative Al Green forthwith present himself in the well of the House of Representatives for the pronouncement of censure. And that Representative Al Green be censured with public reading of this resolution by the speaker. The House had come to order. The House had come to order. Can I just say, I don't even want to talk about his speech at the joint session because Trump is exactly who we thought he was and he did exactly what he always does.

And that was very much in line with Trump and MAGA and all of that. I know, I see the look on your face. We hear the tapping of your pen. you're very frustrated at what you just heard and I believe by the Democratic Party in general go ahead okay so I'll just like to say that 10 Democrats voted

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I don't know how to say his name okay look so fuck off him I have no problem what Al Green did first of I will say something about the

the Trump address just one thing there's a difference between a wizard and a magician a wizard actually does something

like Gandalf is a wizard is a wizard. So what Gandalf does is he take a wand and he does this and he turns Hoot Nanny into a bird. And then Houtanee becomes a bird. He actually

does something. He uses nature and forces and powers to manipulate something and actually make it a wizard has actual powers. A magician does it. A magician makes you think that he did something and while you're looking away, he changes something on you. And if you're not paying

attention to the sleight of hand, the trick is on you. So Trump did the entire time he was talking up there. He would show you something, which is a person, and then he would trick you into believing that he cared about that person.

When really he was cutting funding for whatever that person cares about. Really, he was exacerbating problems. Really, he's slashing things everywhere. Oh, you have this terrible disease, but I'll cut funding to study the disease. Oh, I bring police officers and talk about the importance of police, do this whole song and dance about the police,

and while you're looking at them, you forget about the fact that I pardoned thousands of people that actually beat on police and put their lives in danger, right? So once again, a wizard, one thing. A magician, totally different. And if you don't pay attention to the sleight of hand, you're going to get to died. And that's what he's trying to do.

You have to keep your eyes on the misdirection. This is what I'll say about the Democrats. First of all, what did you think about them saying and we shall overcome? It was like putting words to the kinti cloth that they wore that time. Kintech cloth. That's exactly what it was. It's kinet.

That's what I said. You're right. I'm agreeing with you. It's kinet-ish. It's kin-day-ish. It's kint-ish. It's, and this is where a lot of the problem lies for me is it seems to be very performative in what they do without any real action or movement behind them. And I could go as far as to say that was the signs they were holding up.

That's the colors that they were wearing. Sure, it's a form of protest. And I'm not trying to take that away from that. The history of the song is a form of protest. But to immediately say this is what we're going to do as our sign of protest without any sort of, and I don't know what the answer is. It's, I don't want to say this word, but it feels clownish. And it really isn't rooted it to me in any type of meaning.

That's a song that was very much so popularized, even though it's started. predates slavery. Yeah, yeah. It was... Yeah, it's a... I'm almost positive. I think white people were we shall overcome.

Oh. Am I wrong about this? I could be wrong. Hold on. Maybe because you're thinking of that Joan... Joan Baez? She sang it?

She sang it? At the March on Washington. Okay. Am I tripping about this? I feel like... But I thought at least maybe the tune was from slavery.

Maybe the words weren't, but the tune. But anyways, point is, is that it was popularized in the civil rights movement. Here's the difference. They weren't just singing, we shall overcome. They were actually doing things to overcome. That is the distinction between the Democrats congregating together in unison to sing that song versus real action.

That is what is missing and continues to be missed. So when you hear them singing that, I got a laugh. Okay, so now what you're going to do? Now what? That's what people want from you. Yeah. It looks like I'm wrong about this. Charles Albert Tinley.

Looks like he's the first guy that is responsible for We Shall Overcome. He's accredited. I'll overcome someday as credited as the basis for the U.S. Civil Rights anthem, We Shall Overcome. I don't know why. Thought that maybe the propaganda got to me. Shout out to Kay. Well, actually, I don't, it's Zylphio Horton.

I'm sending a picture of her. It looks like she's credited with coming up with the modern version. Black woman? So I think she built off of, no. No. Yes. Oh, so it was, the song is biracial.

We'll talk about biracial's later on, but the song We Shall Overcome is biracial. Well, I'll take credit. We made that shit. Okay, look. So I have to think back to a story. I'm going to ask you, do you know the story of Lee Majors,

Farrah Fawcett, and Ryan O'Neill? Okay. So you know who Lee Majors is? Yes. You know who Fair Fawcett is. Yes. You know who Ryan on him. Yes.

Okay. So this is what happened. Is there like an affair? Yeah. Okay. Okay. So this is a story that stuck with me for a long time. So Lee Majes is a $6 million man in the 70s.

Big actor. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Six million dollar man. He was bionic man. His name was Steve Austin. And he was an astronaut. And then something went wrong. And they saved him by making him bionic.

Six million dollar man. he could do their powers, he could save people and all kinds of stuff like that. This is Lee Majors. Ryan O'Neill, how does movie star in the world? Great looking guy.

Farah Fawcett, one of the most beautiful white women ever to exist. Like peak white woman. Like the type of white woman you take to the NAACP Awards and you go fuck you guys. Wow.

You know what I mean? Make a top five of that. Yeah. Take a late 10 of that. Late 10, top five. top five white women's that you just go, I'm with her, fuck you guys. Fairfawcett, one of the coldest things.

The story's going somewhere, I promise you. This is what happened. So for contemporary purposes, think of it like this. Think of Lee Majors as like, like Chris Pratt. Think of Ryan O'Neill as, like, Ryan Gosselin.

And think of Fairfawson as like Margot Robbie. This is the level of hotness of people that we're talking about. Okay. So Lee Majors is going away to do a movie or something like that. And Fairfawson is going to be by herself. Lee Majors and Ryan O'Neill are friends. Lee Majors tells Ryan O'Neill, hey, while I'm gone for a week or a month or whatever, why don't you show my girl around?

This is girlfriend. They're dating. Why don't you show my girl around and hang around with my mom? girl. So it might be lonely. Take her around, hang around with her. Okay. Lee Majors put the two hottest people in white America together and newsflash they fucked. Okay. They fucked. How'd they find out. And not only did they fuck, but they created a lifelong bond and were together until Farrah Fawcett unfortunately passed away. same day as Michael Jackson of cancer.

But these two people were together forever. I learned this story when I was in high school. And I thought to myself for years, why in God's green earth would Lee Majors do this? Because he trusted his girl? No. That's not why he did it. And I've thought about this and poured over this for a long time.

The reason why he did it is because Lee Majors is a cuck. And when you are a cuck, it is in the blood. There is nothing you can do that will stop you from cucking out. You will cuck out in the face of any danger.

You will cook out in the face of any opposition. You will just cuck. And I do not know why the Democrats are in their cuck era, but they are cucking like crazy.

How on earth at a time like this can you guys get together and think that singing we shall overcome will do anything to anyone? What the fuck is going on

with the Democrats? They came up with signs, slogans, and songs. but not one ounce of backbone. Ten of the Democrats voted to censure the one guy that had two things. Luxurious hair, that nigger something else. That's a cat daddy.

Shout out, Al Green. That's a cat daddy. With the cane. With the cane. He was holding the cane up in Trump. That black man mustard. every ounce of virility he had and made it his moment. We couldn't even hear him.

All we saw was the cane waving and the hair glistening. He gave it his best shot and 10 of his fellow Democrats voted to censure him. Then saying we shall overcome. We're down. We're doing. We're dead. We're dead with these guys. We're dead.

We're dead. It's over. It's over. it's over. They can't, they, they, I was, you know what? I never told the story before. I was going to have a fight.

I went up to my dad one time. I was like, Daddy, I'm going to have a fight. Maybe I did tell this story before. This guy named Demel, he tries to steal my chips. I was pissed. I was like, you know what? I got to fight this nigga. So the next day, you know, I came into my dad.

My dad was sitting on the couch or he came to talk to me, whatever. It's like, Daddy, I'm going to have a fight tomorrow. I was letting you know I'm going to have a fight. It's like I'm sick of it. Whatever. Me and this nigga got to go. He was bigger, he was stronger.

I didn't know what was going to happen, but I just, I couldn't fucking take it. I can't be nobody's little nigga. I'm going to have a fight. You know what my dad told me? I was like, I told my dad that's not I don't think I'm going to win. This is how much, this is how neurotic young van was. I knew that I had to fight this nigga,

but I had already fucking put it in my head that I was up against it. My daddy goes, it doesn't matter if you win. It just matters if you hurt him. He was like, son, rip his shirt, cut his mouth grab scratch claw

just make sure that he knows you are not the nigger that he wants to be fighting make sure he knows that there is something that will happen to him

for fucking with you you beat up whatever whatever people laugh people get into it whatever cool nobody keeping the stats he was like

when you get Tess shirt Fuck his foot up Grab, bite If you have to be a crazy nigga be a crazy nigga But make sure people know That they just can't fuck with you

For no reason And that'll stop you From being fucked with The Democrats are the most Fuckwittable group of people In politics Somebody has got to step up There is so much on the line

particularly in this moment someone has got to step up we're not shooting y'all no bail we're not giving y'all no fucking reprieves we're not doing anything we're saying we voted we vested and now it's time for you guys to figure it the fuck out and weakness will not be accepted

you got to go from lead majors to Ryan O'Neill stop getting fucked and fuck somebody. I cannot, I was disgusted when I saw this We Shall Overcome video. You bunch of idiots. And I don't care who get mad. You bunch of idiots.

Do something. Let's talk about Ben Shapiro. He launched, he launched a petition that's asking Trump to pardon former police officer Derek Shalvin. Let's listen to a little bit of Ben. and then get you guys' take. If we are issuing pardons, however,

there is one person that President Trump should pardon from federal charges forthwith. It would be incredibly controversial, but I think that it's absolutely necessary. That person is Derek Chauvin. President Trump should, in fact, pardon Derek Chauvin. He should pardon him his federal charges. If we are talking about reversing

the evils of the last several years in American life, obviously COVID and its handling was a massive evil, destroyed the economy, set us on a path to fiscal insanity, destroyed children, led to massive health-related cover-ups, just horrifying all the way around. And President Trump has taken on a lot of those things. But when it came to BLM,

the inciting event for the BLM riots that caused $2 billion in property damage in the United States and set America's race relations on their worst footing in my lifetime was, in fact, the railroading of Derek Chauvin in the death of George Floyd. The evidence demonstrates that Derek Chauvin did not in fact commit murder of George Floyd.

George Floyd was high on fentanyl. He had a significant pre-existing heart condition. George Floyd was saying he could not breathe before he was even out of the car. He was in the car saying he could not breathe. Derek Chauvin, for large segments of even the tape that was shown, had his knee on George Floyd's shoulder or back, not on his neck. Cut him off. Cut him off. Come off. That's all bullshit. Yeah, it's all a lie.

We actually shouldn't have even done this because that's a troll. It is a troll. The only reason that I think that it's even a topic in our timeline is not because it's Ben Shapiro talking to get likes and clicks and to get meat attention like we're giving him now. It's because other people is starting to pick up traction. Nationally, people are writing articles about it. Elon Musk retweeted it and said something to think about.

And I think it's important to talk about not because I'm trying to give Ben Shapiro anything. This is the least surprising thing. It's important. because it highlights the hatred these people have for black people and the betterment of black people. And that's why it's necessary to talk about. Black Lives Matter is not about a riot. It is something to better black people to talk about the injustices that have existed within this country from the very beginning of it. And fighting for black people, as we said, time and time again, to just consider us too, right?

We matter as well. That's it. It's simple. And the fact that Ben Shapiro can deduce it to riots and all this negativity, it's important to highlight, and obviously I'm preaching to the choir when we're talking to our thought warriors, but it's important to highlight that that is not the case. You hate seeing us be better so much that you're willing to lie and villainize somebody who was killed in front of the world.

the autopsy report, there's a fake one just highlighting the second page, the autopsy report. Yes, it might show certain things that were in his system, but the autopsy report concludes that had Derek Chauvin not had his knee on his neck, he would have never died. It didn't matter what was in his system. That is not what killed him. It was the act of Derek Chauvin that killed him. And the fact that you can say that he needs to be pardoned when we have January 6th, which you talked about earlier in this podcast is absolutely ridiculous. And to me, all this shows is that Ben Shapiro is a hateful racist when it comes to black people. That's it.

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Services not available in all areas. Let's switch gears, but it doesn't get any better. Caleb Wilson was a 20-year-old junior mechanical engineering student at Southern University. Last week was pronounced dead at the Baton Rouge General Hospital after he allegedly collapsed while pledging on mega-sci-fi. The initial reports was that he was standing in line at a park off campus when he collapsed. But according to W-AFB news, sources are claiming that the event actually took place. a warehouse off campus and that he collapsed after being punched in the chest and having a seizure. And the members of Omega SciFi allegedly drove him to the hospital and met at a undisclosed

location and discussed what they were going to tell authorities. And that's where we are right now. This is your area of expertise. I'm like in all seriousness. I don't mean that in any funny way. I think just understanding the culture and understanding the process, a lot of people are going to be interested to hear what you have to say. Well, this isn't the culture.

This isn't the process. This is, these are, I mean, if what is being reported is true, which I'm going to take that as truth, these are people who took someone's life. They are murderers, whoever was involved with this. They're murderers. Is this, would you say from your not? Is this customary?

I can't speak to everybody. Well, no, it's, well, let me say this. What happened and other instances that we have seen happen that are similar or that are related to some sort of violence, they are not in line with the principles and the values of these fraternities. These fraternity or sororities, the D9, they were created to represent something bigger and better than that. than that. Omega sci-fi's cardinal principles or pillars are manhood, scholarship, perseverance, and uplift. Their motto is friendship is essential to the soul. None of that is in line with what happened at Southern University. And I say this, and I really think other

people who are a part of D-9 should stand up specifically, obviously with this incident an Omega Sci-Fi, I think you have to call for the entire process to be shut down. this isn't the first time that we've heard something like this, and it seems as if there are people who are out of control, who are intoxicated with power, or, you know, blinded by the colors that they're representing or that they're wearing or how they're branded, are so obsessed with what a process should, and I'm using air quotes, should or shouldn't look like, that they are detaching themselves from the core values of what these fraternities who have existed. for over a century, represent. And it's disgusting. And if you can't respect what the fraternity or sorority stands for, and you can't respect those who are so influential in history, truly black history and legacy,

you can't respect what they stood for and are tarnishing the name of this fraternity, then you've got to go. You've got to take the process out completely and give it to alumni chapters or to national for people who are actually going to uphold the values and principles of it. It seems as if people are more obsessed with wearing the colors in the letters, strutting, hopping, strolling, whatever it may be, more than they are of what the cardinal principles and pillars are. And it's disgusting and it has to stop. For what?

For what? It's almost embarrassing to be able to say, I've seen it happen on the University of Texas campus where I am. I've seen my very sorority after I left be stripped from campus. And it was placed in line with the alumni because you had people who did not know what they are doing. Everything a part of the process should go back to what the principles of it are. It should be about unity. It should be for Omega Sufi since we're talking about that. It should be about friendship. It should be about manhood, scholarship, and perseverance.

And every lesson that's a part of the process should go back to that. In no way does punching somebody in the chest align with any of that. We are so far away from what it stood for that just take it away. Take it away. But from a cultural standpoint, I think most people that have any knowledge about D9 sororities and fraternities, and I'm not a member of any of them. So why did you so? I'm going to try because a lot of people during this situation have been talking about the fact

that this is something that should only be litigated by members of D9. sororities and fraternities. I've seen it. If you're not D9, stay out of it. Well, I agree. And, and, and, and, but what I think should follow that is you should call for this. You should, you need to stand up and say it should stop. Wait, well, so will you agree that if you're not denied, you shouldn't care about? No, no, no, no. That's not what you said. You said shouldn't be litigated. Not should you care. Well, I, I, when I, when I, when I hear litigated, I'm thinking, deciding on how to move forward as members of D9. So this, these, so we can, so we can protect the people who want to be a part of it and these things don't happen.

Caring is totally different. I know. I think what I mean when I say litigating is, and look, guys, I'm not about to hire this. Like, I'm just going to be honest with you. This is the reality that I understand. Rachel, you can correct me if I'm wrong. From having friends, dear friends, like, dear friends who are in these organizations, these motherfuckers get beat on.

I think fraternities have it worse than sorority. And so, like, I think, think that there's an understanding, if we're just being honest, and I think that there's an understanding, I've seen pictures post being online or whatever of people posting, like, their bruises and their butts from getting paddled and stuff like that. Good. Yeah. So I'm not, I'm not about to get, I ain't got nothing to do with me.

Like, it really legitimately doesn't have anything to do with me in terms of whatever they're doing to have people gain, admittance. to their organizations. And how they didn't do with me? I went to Southern University. If we're going to talk about student safety in terms of student safety with crime on campus, if we're going to talk about student safety

in terms of sexual congress on campus, if we're going to talk about student safety in all of these other respects, we should definitely talk about student safety as it relates to all are you safe in pledging one of these, really, to your point, prestigious organization. has to stop. It has to stop in the sense of who are you more willing to protect the name of the

organization or do you need to protect the people who are trying to be a part of it and gatekeep from the people who want to tarnish the name and the reputation of the fraternity or sorority. You've got to weed these people out. They don't uphold what it really stands for. And as somebody who went through a process and learned about the history and legacy of the sorority and as the torch is passed from, you know, from my sorority, like, people like Dorothy Haidt. Like, it's like, these people are black history. And then you're going to go beat on somebody just because, for what? For, like, it's, as I said earlier.

But you're intoxicated, right? No, it doesn't have to be. Okay. And I say that because that's when, you know, we talked about the paper versus process thing. you can be a Delta, I should say, you could be a part of D9, wear your letters, all of that, without having a process that includes violence. You literally can learn, take tests, because we had take a test. Like you have to learn the history, take a test, pass it, you know, pay your dues, get your letter.

You're chosen based off of your service, your education, your commitment, how your community involvement, all of that. that's the things that you have to submit all this paperwork references, almost like you're applying for a job. That is a process. What has happened is you have people who say, oh, you're not real because you didn't go through the offline process like I did. And we have to stop that narrative because people are losing their lives or becoming injured or whatever it may be all for the sake of to say you're not paper.

It's ridiculous. What do you think should happen to the cues on the yard? well, if they were a part of something that contributed to the death of someone, they should be prosecuted. They should be investigated. They should be prosecuted. Not just the individual cues that maybe were a part of this. And who hit it. What about the fraternity chapter itself on the yard? There are a lot of people on Southern's campus that are worried, some older, some younger, about what this means for the future of sororities and fraternities.

on campus, because as we talked about before, there is nothing that HBCUs hate worse than being nationally shamed. Well, then get right. This has been a long, ever since I was online, which I pledged 20 years ago, April 23rd was my probate, 20 years ago. Ever since I was online, there has been talk about removing this from college campuses. Removing what?

removing D9 from, because I'll speak to that, and I can't speak about, you know, the other sororities and fraternies, removing them from college campuses because the processes are getting out of control. And let me just also say, every college campus has an advisor from an alumni chapter

who's supposed to be overseeing and making sure things are done. The problem is certain things go on in secret that are kept away, or sometimes that advisor is down with that. So you've got to regulate it if you want to, you know, the fraternity or sorority as a whole.

I personally think they should go. You really want to pledge Delta? You are in, I keep saying Delta because I feel like the hums should go. I think the whole thing should go from colleges and you should put it back into the hands of alumni. If you really want to be a part, it's, it's money. If I, like, you're, they're paying, you're getting all these college students to pay dues. And, um,

It goes towards the national thing. Off of college campuses. I think that if we're not going to regulate it, if you're not going to call it out, if you're not going to step in and make sure that this doesn't happen and if it does happen, hold these chapters on these college campuses accountable.

If you're not going to do that, then get rid of it. If you really want to be a part of D9, there are other ways to pledge it without being on a college campus. Tell people about that. You're talking about a city chapter. You can a pledge city chapters.

Like big cities have multiple chapters. Here in L.A., there are more. multiple chapters that are tied to different neighborhoods. You can be a part of the greater chapter, like a national member at large is what they call it. You don't have to go through the whole, if you're obsessed with doing it in college, then you're obsessed for the wrong reasons. You're not about the principles and the pillars. You're about wearing the letters. You're about being able to make your call throw up your sign, wear your colors, strut, step. You're about it in that

way rather than being about it in a national sense and what it represents. Which they have international presence. I'll hit on one thing before we leave, before we get off this topic, because I hear everything that you're saying. But having gone to a school where it's such a big part of the DNA. Correct. I didn't go to an HBCU. I know, but you're in it. But like having it's, that is the reason why they do it. Like the reason why you sell it, the reason why you might, how you look at it at 35 is, Typically, at least from my understanding from outside looking in, not the way an 18, 19, well, not 18, but a 19, 20, 21 year old, the history and all of that stuff really matters. But the camaraderie, the standing on campus, like what it means to, I don't want to say conform, but what it means to be a part of a certain identity.

Sure. Like when you're on the yard, you're not a, you're a capital all the time. You're a capper in the way that you dress, in the way that you look. You're cue all the time. You are alpha all the time. Like once you become something, it becomes blank, blank, yeah, the alpha. It becomes blank, blank, blank, yeah, the AKA. Yeah.

Blank, blank, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that one guy from Iowa 530.30. It's a community. So, yeah. So, I think that I hear everything that you're saying, but it seems as if you're putting a much more mature, elevated, evolved spin on something that essentially is for 20-year-old kids. So I didn't go to an HBCU

and I can't speak to how much more powerful it might be on an HBCU. But what I will say is I think it's a mixture of both. And I would be denying it when you're 20-something if it wasn't for that. I can tell you for me, I did not solely pledge Delta because they ran the yard

or because I wanted to wear the colors or, you know, it was a popularity contest. I was already popular. Oh, Jesus. I'm just, it wasn't, it wasn't because of those reasons. For me, the most outside of family members, and some of them were, the most influential women in my life were deltas. And I was very big.

I was tied to other organizations on campus that were involved in community service and leadership. and I loved that every time I looked on a University of Texas campus, when it came to something black, a Delta was always a part of it. That meant something to me. When we were protesting on campus, it was Delta's leading the charge. That was big on me. Sure, of course, it was cool to be able to strut at parties

and be a part of stepshows and have this other community that I was a part of. I'm not denying that at all. For me, that wasn't the sole reason. And I don't fault people for have a mixture, for wanting to do both. But if it's solely about being popular, then you've lost the plot. Well set.

It's like a tiny break, and when we come back, Rachel's going to spice things up with her first list. Rachel's got a list for you guys and this list that's very close to her heart. At least it used to be. You just teased it.

Let's get into it. Rachel's got a top 10 list that she wants to get in. Or it's going to be a top five and Ben has five and we make it up. I didn't do it. I didn't do my five. I wanted Rachel to take it away so.

Okay, but you can add on. I have five plus one. Okay. Donnie, give me a little music. We were, we, this has been a heavy show. Yeah. And as we were preparing for the show, we thought we needed a lighter topic. And so, of course, you were going to do your Van Leighton.

Super light topic. And then you had an idea that I should do a top five. Yeah. And I'm just going to give them the whole background. You said the top five should be the top five interracial couples. Yeah. To which I said, I am no longer in an interracial relationship. That's true.

Van said it should be a farewell. Because as we know on this podcast multiple times, I said I've coming home. Wave goodbye. So this is a farewell. Bye. To the life I used to know and lived. Out of here. I have composed the list of the top five interracial couples.

Yes. In no particular order. Wack. I will say. No, whack. You can't do it. Flag on the plate. What?

Excuse me? No. No. No. No. Excuse me? That's not how you put some numbers by these people. people's names.

Okay. Real quick, put some numbers by these people's names. This is a ranking. All right, fine. Thank you. Number five. Okay. Jason Mamoa and Lisa Bonay.

All right, that's dope. Obviously, an interracial couple. But what I love about them is that he manifested this relationship because he said he always had a crush on Denise Huxable. Yeah. Met her. They had an instant connection. They are no longer together.

but at the time had a beautiful relationship. They were one of the Hollywood-It couples. I'll say this as well. You could have actually gone here with Lenny Kravitz and Lisa Bonnet. I'm going to, now this is an objection flag on the play. That's an interracial. So they're both biracial. They're both biracial.

Interracial. That's an interracial couple. They're both by racial. I cannot let you have this. It's so funny. It's one race and another race coming together. This is, this is, they're. They're both biracial.

Donnie, look at the definition of interracial relationship. To me, racialisms. It's, that's an interracial couple to me. Because when you have two biraciales that get together, that's when the shit gets crazy. That's crazy to me. Why is that crazy? Because it's like. They've found each other.

They found a commonality. They found a commonality. Which doesn't make them interracial because they found a commonality based on their racial identity. I just proved my point. racial, the rachel's going on, interracial. Next, I'm going to say

David Bowie and Emon. Oh, yeah, I don't see how they're not number one. You might like my number one. Okay, I don't see how they're not number one. That's a classic. Go ahead. Obviously, rock star,

superstar model. They were together until he passed away. They have a child together, what they represent. They had a deep love. Just look at it, Google it, the history. Number three, Serena Williams,

and Alexis. Ohanian. Oh, Hanian. I was going to say that wrong. Yeah, O'Hanian. Power couple. Yeah. On and off the court for her. He's a billionaire. This man takes up for her

like no other. He is down in the comments. He is making public statements. He is investing in women's sports and you got to say that that's because of Serena Williams. They have a beautiful family, power couple right there.

He's trying to buy Twitter. Trying to buy Twitter. Yeah. All right. Next. Doug Embley. Emhoff and Kamala Harris. Oh, we don't like this.

My point being, obviously, Kamala Harris, she has, there's a legacy there. She has done a lot in the public sector space, made history in a number of ways. Doug Emhoff had his own career, still does, and supported her throughout, took a backseat. Not just to a woman, to a black woman, but it. you had a pause and a smirk on your face when I said that. Is it the ranking or just that they're on my list? No, I guess it's okay. I mean, it's your list, but yeah.

Oh, that has nothing to do with that. Okay, okay. Well, then people are going to assume you need to talk about it. Oh, no, no, no, no, no. It has nothing to do with her. She's black woman. It's certainly interracial. It's just like political interracial is tough.

Okay. Okay. It's great. Great. Love them. Love them. Everything's great. Yeah. All right. Number one, any guesses. Any guesses to who my number one is?

Okay. You know, it's crazy, but I don't have it. Oh, is it Joshua Jackson? No, no, he did her dirty. Did he? Yeah. She's fighting for child support right now. Doesn't he have a new black lady though? Lupita, but they're not together anymore. Oh, it's over? So he'll shake back with life. Cardi B or something like that. No, I don't have any guesses. This may shock you because you probably don't think I know about this. Interesting.

George Lucas. Oh, shit. And Melody Hobson. That's the number one. I got to fuck with it. You got to. I got to. You got to.

Now, have I seen a Star Wars movie? No. Doesn't mean I don't know who George Lucas is. Have I watched Indiana Jones? No. Doesn't mean that I don't. Wait. That I don't know.

You have never seen one Indiana Jones movie? Not one. Is that Lost Tomb Raider or something? I don't know. Only thing I know about Indiana Jones is that that big rock that's chasing him. Yeah. It's all I don't know. Harrison Ford.

It's all I know. Nice. That's it. Whatever. George Lucas, obviously a powerhouse has created these huge, huge, I don't even know what would you call. What do you call, whatever the fandom is? Franchises, thank you. has his fandoms, all in it.

And Melody Hobson, some of you might not have known that he's married, is still married to a black woman, a very successful black woman. For sure. President, CEO, co-CEO of Aerial Investments, sat on the board, or was the chair of Starbucks for a while, former chairwoman of DreamWorks animation. The woman is extremely accomplished, and they're still together. Still together.

Still together. So together. Honorable mention. What? Miss Piggy and Kermit. Interracial. Inner species. Inner species.

Do I? This hurts for me. You know I don't like Muppets. Yeah. But there's an argument that Kermit is black. Okay. Okay. There's an argument.

Boy, I could have just destroyed you with some jokes and a whole narrative, but I'm not going to do it. Okay? When it comes to Kerman and Miss Piggy, if you're saying Kermit's black, I could have just just. really went there, but this ain't fresh and fit. So I'm not going to do it. Don't do it. Don't do it. But I got, I got one that should be number six, I think. Okay. Quincey Jones. And who?

The whole legacy. Recipes. The whole legacy. The whole legacy. Donnie, we got one more thing before we go. Give it to us. All right. Let's talk about it. Sheppard had some stuff to say about some wardrobe after the Oscars and I'll let her speak for herself. This was fully you could see everything. Zoe Kravitz graced us with her butt crack. You could see everything. Megan the stallion wore a dark green gown with only matching green pasties to cover up her breasts. And so this is where I have to put my auntie Sherry. We're gone. And I say this this with all of the love that I have, ladies, this is not it. And I say this because they're young women,

young girls who are looking up to all of you. All of you. And like, you're gonna have these young girls, these young ladies emulating you. And you remember when your grandmother would tell you, let them use their imaginations. Be a little mysterious. But you know, when they're,

look at these girls, they don't have any secrets. You don't, nobody gets to use imagination or their mind. And I want to say, Megan Nostaglia, I love you. I do. But I'm so upset because God gave you a legitimate gift. You got it, you are amazing with your lyrical rhymes and how smart you are. And I know people, a lot of these celebrities, they say they don't want to be a role model. But here's the thing.

It comes with the territory. You have to go on. There's something else that she said there, and I want to make sure we get to it. Young girls, you inspired to go to school also. You didn't ask for that. You didn't ask for that, but they were watching you. And I know people said, well, you know, Lil Kim did it.

But I know what I remember when I saw it, I was like, why is she doing that? Like, she doesn't have to do that because she's so talented. And I know, I know Megan is a little. an artist, you get a little raunchy. I didn't heard Wop and body yaddy yadi. But I also say, and I listen to those songs too, but I also say, to whom much is given, much is required. And if you say, well, how do I know that these young girls are looking up to you? Because they look up to me too. And I get more girls coming up to me, young girls saying,

Miss Sherry, I want to be a talk show host, or I want my own talk show, or I want to be an actress, I want to do what you do. So they are. watching, and I'm not trying to shame anybody, I'm just concerned where all this is going. I said it before when I talked about Kanye's wife who went to the Grammys last month, and she took off her coat and had nothing on. And literally, it wasn't just her cookie jar,

we saw cakes and croissants too when she was standing there. But the one thing I would say is she looked very uncomfortable. At the end of the day, if you look at his wife, She looked, Bianca Sincerea or something like that, she looked really uncomfortable to be, because you're standing in front of a bunch of men who are watching it. And this is what I said, we have to think about our future.

And all y'all who are sitting out there, these young girls that are emulating you, they don't have security around them. So they're emulating you, and they go to these parties, and something tragic could happen. These are our future, these young women, and these young men.

That's, I'm gonna get off my soapbox. I love all of y'all, But Auntie Sherry has spoken. That's the only part. Look, if you think I'm not going to, I'm not going to litigate decency with people anymore. Everybody has their own thoughts on it. Everybody has thoughts on some people want to be free.

Some people want to be conservative to each their own. I'm not offended if, I'm probably more offended by an ankle leaf skirt, an ankle leaves dress than I am by that. You know what I'm saying? Let that thing. Have a good time. You know what I'm saying? Like when I, when I, you know,

get my shit, I'm being here straight up nipples to the sun. Right now they're to the floor. You know, it's different. You know, if you got it, you want to show it, go ahead and do your thing. Anyway, so I don't have no problems with that. What I will say is the only issue that I have with that is the part where we still are perpetuating the idea

that in some way a woman is responsible for her assault. Now, you guys, I don't want to get on my high horse because I'm not the moral dude. I'm not him. There's another guy that's out there that's pure that ain't never made no mistakes,

that ain't never cheated, they ain't never lied, that they've never done another of this, maybe you'll listen to him. But the one thing I can say is that there in no way can be a corollary between how a woman dresses,

how she carries herself, and her being assaulted by a man. We have to expect more from men. We have to expect more from our societies. And those are conversations that have to be had with young men about how they're expected to comport themselves in any situation. Because the young men that I talk to,

not apes, they are not animals, they are not monsters that just react to whatever's in front of them. There are people who need to have people pour into them. There are people who need to have people emotionally regulate them. And there are people that need to give them the framework by which to protect themselves and the women and the people of their community. And none of that gets done by saying, hey ladies, don't dress like Meg the Stallion or something tragic will happen. I just, all the love in the world for Sherry. But if we're not, if we, if we can't agree on what's decent or what looks good, I don't

think Meg looked very good. I thought it looked kind of stupid. It was hideous. But, but if we can't agree on that, forget about that. Dress however you want to, we got, we have to agree on not excusing. even tacitly right. Very well said and I love that it's coming from you, Asimel. I completely disagree with Sherry.

I think that you're right. We don't always agree on what's too much or not enough or whatever it may be. But just because you wouldn't do it and it's not for you doesn't make it wrong. And I think that the comparisons here are completely off. Bianca, Sensori or whatever her name is, she was naked. She was naked. That is not what Megan is. I didn't like what Megan was wearing.

I think he was flattering to her. She's obviously a beautiful woman. I just didn't like the outfit. Zoe Kravitz, I actually would have worn that. I loved it. But she also really isn't calling out some of the other people. Let me just say this. This is the Vanity Fair carpet.

The whole point for this after party after the Oscars is to stand on that carpet and take a picture in front of that backdrop. It's one of the few lines. So when you go to these red carpets, people wait in line to get their picture taken. Most times, A-list celebrities are either thrown to the front of the line to skip everybody or they just bypass it completely. It's the only one, it's one of the few carpets where people, A-listers included, will actually wait in line because the whole point is to have your picture taken on this carpet. It's about doing something different, something risque, something that stands out and gets the people

talking in a good or a bad way. It's a way to push the limits, similar to, but not as extreme as the Met Gala. That is what I saw both Zoe and Megan doing. But Sherry didn't have the same energy for Julia Fox, who wore a very risque outfit, didn't have the same energy for Olivia, what's her name, who was married to Jason Sedecu?

Olivia Wild. Wild. I was going to say, Mom. I couldn't think of her last year. Olivia Wilde wore a very see-through risque outfit. it's what happens. And I understand she maybe has a higher standard for black women. I just didn't like this whole conversation. I didn't like the narrative surrounding it. I didn't like what it implied to your point as well.

And I think that you have to give the context and the history of what this carpet also represents. This isn't Megan the Stallion or somebody else wearing this down the street every day. And even if they did, that's their right. But this also is something that's very particular to this event this weekend this night. We're out of here. But before we go, let me put my grill back on because I had it on at the top of the podcast. Don't hear. Do not here we go.

When all you do is ask me to be more open on the podcast, more talk about personal life or whatever it is. Now I'm not going to get into all that. But what I will say is there is a new single that dropped this week. It dropped, what's today? Thursday. It dropped Wednesday. It's called Silverado. It's by Willie Jones.

I put my girl back on for some of the lyrics that are in the song. Donnie, give us a little snippet, what we can't play. Please go out, support. I'll say Spotify because that's the platform we're on. But wherever you listen to music, you can get this new single, Silverado. Check it out. It's really good. It's really catchy.

Make a TikTok, post on social media. Just stream it. Thank you for your support in advance. Vast. Toddy playing into that. Tell you think caps off, do not stop learning. This is your partner, Van Lathen.

And I'm Rachel and Lindsay. Bye guys. Looking like money, bitch, I hit the lot of. Black boots still with some color of.