Higher Learning with Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay - Trump's Town Hall, Cardi B's Divorce, Maya Moore's Marriage, and 'My Octopus Teacher'

Episode Date: September 18, 2020

Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay discuss President Trump's bizarre town hall and interview, Cardi B and Offset filing for divorce, Maya Moore and Jonathan Irons getting married, Breonna Taylor's family getting $12 million, and the new Netflix documentary ‘My Octopus Teacher.' Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Yo, yo, yo, thought warriors. What up? It's higher learning. It is I. Van Lathan. Why do you sound exhausted? It is I. Rachel Lindsay.

You good? You okay? I'll tell you why I sound exhausted because it's frantic right now. I'm late for the podcast, you guys, by 30 minutes. Okay. I'm late for the podcast by 30 minutes. And you didn't have to go to the doctor this time. I didn't have to go to the doctor this time.

Like, I got up this morning and I was feeling good and I decided I would go shoot basketball. I found this great basketball. I found this great. I knew that's what you were doing. In my soul, I was like, he's on the court. Yeah, so if you look at me right now, this shirt is sweaty. So I was out. So listen, I decided I'm going to go shoot basketball, right?

I'm going to go shoot basketball because, and I found this. I'm not even going to tell people where it is because it's a hidden gym. It's a hidden gym. It's a basketball court that's like in this really nice neighborhood, but it's at like the bottom of a mountain almost. And it's like a really... How'd you find this? Some of my friends, we have this kind of thing

where we go shoot basketball every now and again, just social distance, rebounding and all of that, stuff like that. We had to. But like, like, this court, nobody uses it. But it's like in this really nice neighborhood, but like in this wilderness. But it's a court. It's like a real basketball court.

So, you know, nobody's ever there, so I go there and I shoot. Let me tell you how we were supposed to shoot this podcast. This was supposed to have done. Because listen, just let you guys know very seriously, Rachel's very busy. Rachel's very busy. And so we have to shoot this podcast

because Rachel is doing ghosted and she's hosting the Emmys and the Academy Awards. This is my lunch break right now. I am podcasting through my lunch break and have to go back to filming ghosted. I'm serious. I'm dedicated to the podcast. She's super dedicated to this one of her 17,000 jobs.

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When you're shooting on that court There is absolutely no service. Yeah. So I would not have been able to have seen any messages. I was shooting there and a coyote came down there. Stop. I promise. I was shooting there shooting around

And a coyote ran by. And I was like, you know what? It is time to get the fuck away from here. Now, the coyote didn't even look at me. He kind of just glanced at me and then ran by, scared the shit out of me. Coyote. Nobody's going to go to that court. You might as well tell everybody where it is.

That's probably why nobody was there. There was one guy there when I got there. One guy. And he had a little dog with him. So maybe the coyote smelled the dog. Oh, yeah. Or you. And so then I leave because the coyote's there.

And then I see, hey, it's time to shoot higher learning with, Van Laith into Rachel Lindsay. I'm like, oh shit, it's 1230. So without that coyote, we probably don't get to do the podcast. It was God. God was in the form of that coyote going, Van. Go get it done.

That's wild, Van. I don't know what I would do if the coyote was there. Like, do coyotes attack people or just animals? Are they scared of us? Are they that type of animal? They're normally not going to attack you unless they're in a pack. It's very rare that coyote attacks. Like a lone coyote is a coward.

They're like white supremacists. How do you not know the pack is in a few steps behind? Like that's what would terrify me. Coyotes are like white supremacists. One coyote, you don't have to worry about it. But 10, 15 coyotes, now you're like, I might be fucked up. But no, but like you'll see them.

You'll see them. Every once in a while, you'll see a random coyote running around, L.A. See, I would probably think it was just like a skinny dog. No, you'll know. Would I? Yeah, he looks wild. He looks wild. Yeah, he looks disenfranchised.

The coyote looks, he looks disenfranchised. He looks like he's on his own. Because you see a dog, a dog is happy. A dog is like, shit, man, I'm dogging it up. I'm going to think about copper. Copper goes around, he plays, right? Then copper comes back. He goes, you know, when I come back here,

I know I'm going to have a mom and a dad. Coyote has nothing. He's got a pack. He's got a pack. So, Did you watch the town hall featuring? We're going to start off. We're going to start this episode off going right there.

President Donald Trump, did you watch the president on his town hall with one of my favorite guys, George Stephanophics? Oh, really? I like George Stephanos. I know. I like him a lot. I like him a lot. Really nice guy. Here's the thing.

I purposely didn't watch it because I felt, like at this point we know who Trump is, we know what we're going to get, it's going to be a lot of lies and misinformation. And so I just thought, why would I even subject myself to that when I can catch the highlights later?

I knew I would get frustrated, I knew I would get upset, and from reading everything the next day, it's exactly what I thought it was. Did you watch it? No, I didn't. I didn't. I don't watch anything that has to do with President Trump. And by the way, I also don't follow President Trump on Twitter.

And at this point, if you're following President Trump on Twitter, I wonder why you're doing it. Like, there's almost zero reason to follow him. There's not any piece of information that he's going to tweet that is going to be usable.

It's essentially signing up for a propaganda delivery service if you're following President Trump on Twitter. This is a weird thing. But I do think that there is something interesting to discuss obviously several lives. were told during this entire thing. There's actually one point, I think,

where he criticized Vice President Biden for not doing more to combat the coronavirus. Now, I want to let you guys know, Joe Biden, private citizen. Joe Biden doesn't have anything to do with stopping the coronavirus or a coronavirus response.

What would anyone want Joe Biden to do in response? All he can give is coronavirus. as pep talks. All you can say is wear a mask. So did you understand that what Trump was talking about when he said that? No, he blamed him for the lack of a national mask mandate. What the what power does Joe Biden have? Like, did you, this, this, and I don't know how how Republicans or whoever may support Trump. I don't know how you can defend that. How can you sit there and say, and blame it? This is what he said. He said, in addition to that, for blaming him for a lack of

national mask mandate, he said, he said, quote, a lot of people think the masks are not good. At different points, he downplayed the virus and said he had upplated. This is after he was just on tape last week that came out with the woodward tape saying, he downplayed. What is wrong with this man? What is wrong? Up play.

We have a president that would use the term upplay. So, but there are two interesting questions besides anything that has to do with President Trump. It's so boring to even talk about President Trump. right now. But there are two interesting things that I think, you know, you can spin out of the town hall. The first is President Trump's response to Joyce questions about police violence against African Americans. What he says basically cops are good, but you have a couple of chokers. Okay. And the reason why I think that's something that's important, when he said chokers, he meant a couple of guys that are in a situation.

back poorly. All right. I think that's very important to discuss that idea because without knowing straight up, I would imagine that it's probably a lot of Americans that feel like that, right? That there are a lot of police interactions and in these police interactions, you're bound to get a couple of them wrong to where things go horribly left. A couple of guys are going to get it wrong. They're going to choke on the job. They're going to be, you know, something's going to be in front of them and they're not going to know what to do. So here's the issue with that and in the way that I see it. For me, when you look at that, there's one thing that's uniform about police violence

against black Americans. The one thing that's uniform about it is its regularity. It doesn't happen infrequently enough for these incidents to be systemically isolating, right? So it's not like every two, three, four, five years, one guy who some kind of, some kind of a way slipped through the cracks, has a bad day on the job and somebody ends up dead. Right. It happens so frequently that, number one, it makes you wonder how frequently is really happening, violence against black people. And it happens in all different parts of America. Yeah.

California, Colorado, Louisiana, New York, Florida, you know, Georgia, Kentucky, wherever, you know, Minnesota. Texas. So I'm wondering people who believe that, and I'll be interested to hear from the people who believe that, if they don't think that there's something uniform in the dysfunction of policing, what would have to happen to make them believe that that was a fact? I'll play devil's advocate because this is what somebody would say. They would look at the bigger picture and they would say all these policemen that are in all these different cities and counties and states, all the people, the millions and millions of people that live in the United States,

these are a few, and I want everybody to know this is not what I believe. these are a few incidents compared to the larger, the bigger picture in the grand scheme of things. That's what they would say. And it would go into that thought feeds their argument of, well, yes, we all agree there's some bad apples. But when you look at the numbers and statistically, they're not all bad. Majority of them are good. That's how they defend it. That's how they look at it.

Because President Trump has even said, yeah, we've got some bad ones. But in the grand scheme of it all, police officers are good. The numbers would be higher. That's what they would say. And what I would say to that is I would ask how you define good. If you say, I would say if you mean good, meaning they haven't done harm. That's exactly what they mean. Okay, then I'd say that what needs to happen is our redefinition of a good police officer.

Yep. A good police officer is somebody you can lean on for public safety, somebody that you can lean on to take care of and not do harm to a community, right? A good police officer shouldn't be a police officer that just hasn't fucked up yet. I want to add on to your definition of good in the sense that I was talking to a friend and she was saying how she's conflicted because she has police officers in her family and the new. family that she married into, her father-in-law was a police officer for 35 plus years, and she was like, he never shot at anyone. And I said, so this is me adding to your definition of what is a good cop. It's not just somebody who hasn't messed up. It's also somebody, or a good cop is somebody who you might be, you might have not, I'll use the example of my friend's father-in-law. You might have

never shot at anyone. You might have never pulled the trigger. You never killed anyone unjustly. But are you on the force with people that you know that have done something that is wrong, that is unjust? You know? And you sat silent because there's a code. It's a fraternity, sorority, whatever you will, there's women too. But it's a group of you. There's this code to not speak out. That makes you a bad one.

So like being good is also calling out bad when you see it. And I don't think people gather that. Yeah. I had a conversation with Austin Rivers when. shout out to Austin Rivers. And shout out to the grit and the determination that the Houston Rockets showed in the NBA playoffs.

You know, I've never seen a grittier a team that wanted to win more than Houston. But they don't care about me. James Hardin somewhere like this right now. Like, yeah. You know, at a drive-thru, bring Diamond out. I'm going to go ahead and throw some dollars at her while. in my Maybach or something.

In his Blue Lives Matter mask. Right. But I was talking to, I was talking to Austin. We were on Instagram Live and Austin goes, well, I know good cops. I know good cops. And my family, good cops all over the place. I get it. And then I said to him, I said, let's say you're, I said, you're on a basketball team, right?

You got 12 guys on the basketball team. He goes, yeah. I go, let's say one of the guys on the basketball team is abusing children. Only one. But everybody knows. Mm-hmm. and no one's doing anything about it. How many good guys are on the basketball team?

The answer is zero. As citizens of the United States of America, black people are demanding that our lives not be ended by the state when we are not posing an immediate threat. We're demanding public safety. We're demanding our lives not be ended by the state, period. Anything short of that is them placating us. So I think it's very important that when President Trump says things,

like that, that we put those into context and how he's actually speaking for a large swath of Americans who are in lockstep with that belief, which brings me to my second thing. You do interviews every day. What do you feel like is the responsibility of a guy like Stephanophilus? Like, I'm noticing that Trump is putting these things out and he's saying these things that George, I'm sure, knows to be untrue. at some point, if you care about delivering accurate facts

to people, don't you have to, despite the fact that he's the president, jump in and say, yo man, what the fuck are you talking about? Like, what's going on with you? This is untrue. Yeah. I think that there is a way,

having recently been in a situation with Donald Trump Jr., I think there is a way that, because I get it. I get the battle of you have to be professional. you're not, you're not an attorney, you're not debating. You are there to moderate and navigate a conversation in regards to George Stephanopoulos. So I understand the conflict. However, I remember when I talked to Extra, I said, I'm not going to be able to do this

interview if he says something and I at least can't respond with a fact. You know, so our interview was over 30 minutes and it was supposed to be 15. So there was a lot people didn't see. But I couldn't sit there and let you say something that was not true. without at least responding with the fact into a question. Do you know what I mean? Like there's a way to challenge somebody in the question and restate it, like, put the facts within the question.

And I think that's what George should have done. I mean, especially like ludicrous comments, like saying Joe Biden is the reason we don't have a national mask mandate. You can't say stuff like that because there are people who don't go out here, do their own research, and take everything that a person who has the office of the president of the United States,

States as true because why would my president lie to me? That's what people think. You know, why would he? We've never seen anything like this before. We've seen them live but not like this. Yeah. Also, when there's something about the Trump supporters right now are actually

not a political group or a political faction. They are a religion. So, and by the way, it's important to be able to recognize that because you don't want to be that. Like, you do not want to be in the religion of the Democrats or the religion, the church of the Republicans.

You do not want to be in either church. You don't. You want to be able to caucus with people. You want to be able to fellowship with them or share ideas with them. But you do not want to be in anybody's church. These aren't churches. These are political parties. I happen to believe that guy climbed up on a cross, right, and gave his life for me and I'm going to hang out with him forever at some point. That's as crazy as my belief system goes. I don't go past that, all right?

So that's the level of it right there. So I can't believe in dudes that, like, everything that comes out of Trump's mouth is gospel, everything that comes out of Biden's mouth is gospel. If you're going to be an engaged American citizen, you have got to cut around the edges, man. You have got to really hold these people intellectually accountable for the things that they say. There's no other way to do it.

And you're doing yourself and your community a disservice if you start listening to the evangelism of either side. Either side. Got bad news. What? it's over. Four? Cardi being offset. Are you waiting for me to be shocked?

I'm waiting for you to be upset. Because this was like, so I wouldn't say that that Cardi being offset were hip-hop's first couple. Obviously hip-hop's first couple. Don't look at that. There is certainly, you think, there is certainly a demo where Cardi being offset are hip-hop's first couple.

are we forgetting about Jay Z and Beyonce? I'm telling you that I don't think they're that far removed from the next generation to a lot of fans Cardi being offset to a lot of fans

Cardi being offset are hip hop's first couple over Jay Z and Beyonce you don't think that's true? I mean I'm not I'm not going to argue I was shocked I mean you guys come on now

we got to do better no I mean They weren't it for me. I didn't even look at them like that. I guess, listen, are we shocked that Cardi B and offset, or as Billy said today on set, the offset? Are we shocked that they're not together? I am a little bit.

Are you sad, by the way? Come on. Copper saw this coming. It's a marriage breaking up. You're not sad about that? It's a marriage. It's a union of people that broke up. No, I want to see people.

Like, at the end of the day, obviously I went on The Bachelor. I'm a hopeless romantic at the end of the day. But there was so much surrounding that relationship. This isn't, it's being rumored that he has fathered a child with someone else, even though Cardi B's camp has come out and said that that's absolutely not true. There have been accusations of infidelity. Cardi B has admitted that, or maybe Offsad admitted it. One of the two of them have admitted that he was unfaithful.

in their marriage. It's happened more than once, I believe, is what's come out. So I just feel like it was going to happen. At some point, you're just like, fuck it. I'm never going to be, okay, and maybe this is a question

we could talk about or an issue topic we talk about. I believe that if you cheat, I don't necessarily believe once a cheater, always a cheater. I don't actually believe that. I can understand, especially when there are children involved, I can understand why

you would forgive. maybe there were other issues going on. Like, I get it. I'm not saying that I could do it, but I totally understand it. When you say other issues, what's one of the, what's,

give me an example of an other issue that you think would make cheating that you can forgive it. If there's another issue out there. I don't know if I could, but, and correct me if I'm wrong, I believe when the whole D. Wade and Gabrielle Union, you know,

situation came to light. And he had fathered another child while they were together. Well, hold on, wait. They say it was a break. They say it was a break. Okay, I've actually been in that relationship, too, where my dude said it was a break, too. I want to also say that's the one who goes to me.

He said it was a break and you didn't agree to the break? It was a break, but I think that they were always messing around. You didn't just happen to mess around that one time. That's crazy. Like, you just gave a lot of guys out there something that they could use. The one-sided break. Your dude said it was on a

break and then he didn't come to you and He just said, hey, we were on a break. No, no, no, we were on a break. I'm saying, I admit that as well. I just don't think that that was the one time that you stepped out during that month that we weren't talking. I think you were messing around before as well, probably after too. Anyways, I believe Gabrielle Union came out and said that she takes some fault into the reason as to why he cheated. I believe she said that.

She talked about being busy. She was never there for him. I guess when he needed her and so she took some of the blame and people were upset that she said that so that's, I'm giving an example of something someone else said. I don't agree with that. Right. But that is

what she said. So you're saying it could be issues that, but Cardi B oh look, I think that, I think this is different for every couple, right? I think every couple has to I know people, I know guys that left girls because they said that the ladies weren't attentive enough

and stuff. So every couple has whatever their breaking point is. I do. I feel like this, like people with status say that. Well, maybe. Every couple has their breaking point. What I'm wondering is,

because they had been through this before, if there was an ultimatum that was put down, if there was a situation, I'm not going to lie. Right now. I have to, right now, I don't know,

it's how you position your hand. The diamond ring is shining. As we talk about this, the diamond ring on your, It's almost like the diamond ring on your finger. When you guys are watching the video, as we're talking about, you see it? The diamond ring is like, not here, nigger. Ain't going to be no marriage problems here.

That's so crazy. And you know what? We have the same shaped ring. Now hers has many more carrots than mine, but. Y'all got to watch this on the video. We're talking about infidelity and her ring activated. Brian put a hex on the ring. No, I was going to say first it was the coyote, then it was the diamond ring.

And there was the diamond ring. The ring is going, no. Like, we're good over here. You got, that was crazy. The ring is like, you ever see the Thundercats? Like the eye of Thundera, whenever he goes, thunder, thunder. And everybody wakes up. The ring is like, relationship, power activated.

But no, it's interesting because I do, anytime there's a relationship that breaks up, I kind of get sad because I want to see somebody's relationship. I want to see old Cardi B and offset tattoos all over their body. I want to see her twerking on him at 55 in the French Riviera. I want to see it work. And it's just, it's hard, man, when they break up. But what if it's toxic, right? I agree with you.

I think there was an ultimatum, which is why I think the rumors that he fathered another child. I think that's what could have done it, right? We know he's cheated. He's cheated again. What could take it to another level? I also think that when you keep taking your man back after he's, cheats on you, he's going to know that he can continue to get away with it. Because you're just going to keep

taking him back. I strongly believe that. Oh, so I could do this again. She's going take me back. I'll just buy another Birkin. Is a Birken worth it? Is a Birken worth a baby? I think those bags are so ugly. You don't like them. Do you see how there could be women out there who think, oh, a Birkin a baby? A hundred percent.

A hundred percent. Just scroll hashtag Birken. I'm interested in this as the way women look at this. This is interesting. So, well, the first thing I wonder, and I'm wondering is I'm putting this out as an overall question to everyone. Because, you know, there are babies that get had on people and stuff like that. So everybody's just fucking raw. So you're having sex with somebody outside and you're just fucking raw.

You're not using, you just, and not only you fucking are, you just busts me back. A lot of men don't. This is a thing. Yeah. Just raw. Yeah. It's interesting. I would think that if like, if you're offset or a big basketball player, you know that the worst case scenario in a situation like that is, I mean, besides, obviously the infidelity is you get somebody pregnant.

I just don't see how that keeps happening over and over and over again. Because they're not the smartest people in the world. And from what I'm told, it's the question is, do you have, are you on the pill before any type of protecting themselves? Oh, you're on pill? Okay, okay, great. Yeah, yeah. Are you on the pill? What do you think? Yeah, of course. Yeah, I'm on a pill. Go ahead. Give me the million dollar insurance policy. I am sad for her. Why does it keep happening? I am sad for the couple. I'm sad for the baby.

I'm sad for the baby. It's a situation to where, look, they have. had been back and forth. Everybody has their breaking point, their limit. But you wish that they could have found out a way to stay together. I wish she could have stopped cheating on her. That's what I wish. I wish that as well. For Cardi.

For Cardi. I wish I like Cardi too. I wish the offset could have stopped cheating on her. The offset. You know what? It's so my parents divorced in 2002. So it's me, my mother, my sister, and my dad, right? That was the four family unit, right?

That was the people that were all in the house together. Do you know that since my parents divorced in 2002, the four of us have not all been in a room together. Really? In 18 years. We have not the four of us, mother, father, sister, brother, have not been in a room together all at the same time in 18 years.

and it is, you know, there are all kinds of reasons why relationships break up, but you also don't think about the reasons why when relationships break up, man, families break up. A family breaking up is something that stays with you. You know, a family, when the family breaks up, that's something that weighs on you, you think, yo, we used to have,

is not that my parents used to be married, is that we used to have a family. And we don't have a family anymore. That's why I say the kids, the kids. Which is also why I understand why people take, you know, men or a woman, whoever is the one who cheats. I understand why you take them back when they're kids involved because of the family unit.

I get it. By the way, I made a proclamation earlier on this podcast that there was somebody that I would never talk about again. it's getting hard. Just let you guys know. Oh, no, we're not going to do this. Do we need to do this? We're not going to do it.

We're not going to do it. Okay. It's getting hard. It's getting hard. Yeah. It's getting hard. It's getting hard. There was happier news.

There was a relationship that broke up, relationship that got back together. Maya Moore. You see this? Yes, I did. Shout, congratulations to Maya Moore and Jonathan Ayens. Yeah. Yeah.

So Maya Moore, who is one of the, the greatest basketball players of all time, actually stopped her career some years ago to devote herself full-time to getting a man out of prison. This man's name is Jonathan Irons. She took a break to help him get out. He was convicted on burglary and assault charges,

but Maimon worked with a lot of people. It's a very, very, very, insanely amazing story, right? And helped him get out of jail and now they are married. There was a relationship, I guess, going on this entire time? I don't know if it was the entire time, but she met him when she was 18.

Right. So that should be known. She's 31 years old now. So for 13 years, they've been, well, because she was in college for four years, you know, so she wasn't able to travel back to Missouri, which is where she's from, and that's where he was in prison.

But they kept in contact for 13. years while he was behind and he was behind bars y'all for 13 years during their entire no longer than that excuse me he was behind bars longer than that but the entire time of their relationship so it was it was amazing when you first heard that my and more actually stopped her career to dedicate herself full time than getting his brother out of jail uh which she was able to do but it was even now you kind of we get it it wasn't that far fetch now there's love love makes you do you know. Yeah. Love.

Love, she's trying to, I mean, basically, you know what I'm saying? She's trying to bring it home, you know what I'm saying? Get the sausage back out in the free little. You know what I'm saying? You want to bring home? Now, here's the thing. Think about that. Could you ever fall in love, do you think, with a man that was imprisoned?

I do, actually. Interesting. But it would depend on what he was convicted of. And, like, for her, she was, fighting for his innocence. So she always believed he was innocent. He was a good man. He was 16. They tried him as an adult. They sent him to 50 years, y'all. First offense. Burglary and an assault. He's assaulted the homeowner allegedly. And now we know that's not allegedly. It never happened. The conviction was overturned. But with a gun, he hit the homeowner. Fifty years at 16. This is the kind of things that they're fighting for. I think if I had that exact same situation and I was 18 when I met this man and I heard his story and I knew he was a good man

I could easily see myself falling for this man. Now, I said falling for him. I don't know if I could wait 13 years now. I don't know if I could do that. She probably didn't have to wait for 13 years. You think she probably didn't have to wait? She did. She was 18 when she met him.

I know, but she probably didn't, she probably had other relationships while he was inside. right? I don't know. I don't think so. You think she put it on lockdown for 13? She was young. Listen, she was young at 18.

You know, she might have, like, not had dated anybody, focused on basketball, having this relationship with him. You know, they were friendly at first. She said he was like family, and then somewhere along the lines, they developed feelings for each other.

They said it happened a while back. Who knows how long? I don't know if I could, wait 13 years. Couldn't wait the 13 years. Have you seen Legends of the Fall? Yes, of course. Okay. Okay, finally. I get to make a movie reference. Right. Yes, of course.

Susanna was her name, I believe. And, you know, she went from brother to brother to brother, but it's a very good, it's a very good movie. I'm not summarizing. No, no, no, no, no. No, no. She falls for Tristan. Say it like the way. She fucked the whole family. Okay. I don't like the way that you're saying that because it takes away from the essence of the movie, which is absolutely beautiful.

It's one of my favorite movies. family. Okay. Not Anthony Hopkins, not the dad. Not the dad. Could have, though. We don't know. Here's the thing.

No, and she never did with the younger brother. She never did with the younger brother. Wait, no, she did. Yes, she did. Uh-uh. He went to war. Oh, no, he died before she had a chance to.

Yeah, don't, okay. Spoiler alert. Spoiler alert. That's the whole movie is based off that. Like, look, you guys got to watch Legends of the Fall to know when not to bring your girl home

Because I'll tell you what. So I'll tell you something about Legends of the Fall real quick. So in Legends of the Fall, this is Peak Brad Pitt with long-ass hair. Tristan. Tristan. Tristan. Like a Brad Pitt with like a native indigenous spirit. Yes.

So Brad Pitt is all earthy and rugged and stuff like that. His brother comes home like, I got this beautiful woman who I think is played by that French. Samuel. Samuel is his brother. Yeah. Samuel brings home Susanna. Yeah. So it brought Susanna.

home and immediately you know they Brad Pitt comes out and they're all horseplay around. Ha ha, Samuel. And then he introduces it to him and obviously she looks at this guy and she's like and there's something there automatically. Like why don't look if my

brother is like let's let's say my brother was I don't know Jesse Williams. Let's say that was my brother. You're never meeting my girl because I'm not even going to put her in a position where she has to choose. If my brother is like a, like a Jesse Williams.

Give me somebody else. Like, uh, yeah, yeah, yeah, from, uh, from, from, from Watchman, you know, big, big, uh, you know, what else, you know, you know, yeah, yeah, yeah, like big, so big tall brother from New Orleans from Washington. Handsome brother. You know, you haven't seen him? No, let's just use Idris. I don't know who, I don't know who that is.

Idris. If, if, if my brother is Idris, I might cut his face before you meet him. I might, I might, I might, I might, I might, maim him. But that's what happened. Mame. That's what happened. And then the. older brother, Tristan leaves, right?

So Tristan's wild. He's a wild spirit. And after Samuel dies, he's, he's the one who saw him. He died in his arms and he can't handle it. And he's, he has to go away. He ate his heart. And this is getting back. He ate his heart. He didn't eat it. There's a part in the Legends of the Fall. Oh, yeah. He ate it. They all go off to World War I.

There's a part in Legends of the Fall. But did they show him eating it? He ate his heart. Well, no, he skinned. He skinned the other people and wore their head. Their scalps. Cut his heart. No, he didn't eat the heart. He cut his heart.

He did, he performed a ritual. No, he performed a Native American ritual. I promise you in that. Okay. They go to World War I. Did Samuel, I mean, did Tristan eat the heart? I don't know about that. He ate the heart.

I'm telling you, they went to World War I. And all three brothers went to World War I. And then, uh, so all three brothers was the older brother was wounded. And then they, then Tristan was supposed to be watching over the younger brother. He didn't watch over him. He goes out to five. why he gets killed. He comes up upon him just as he gets killed and he splits his knife in his heart and then later on he unwraps the heart.

But you don't see him eat it. You just see him like blessing. It's like he's doing a like a spiritual thing because that what he does ends up going back to the other Native American guy that he learned a lot of his, you know, or whatever that ritual was, he learned it from him. Anyways, my whole point in bringing up Legends of the Fall is that Tristan goes away. And remember, we told you Susanna was in love with him. And she said, I'll wait forever for you. He's gone seven years. He gets it all out of his system.

He comes back. And she is now with the older brother. So this is how she works her way through it. And she turns to Tristan. And it's something along the lines of Tristan said, I thought you wait forever. And she's like, well, forever turned out to be too long. That's how I would feel about them 13 years. That was, that's the whole point I was trying to make while we went off on the

Legends of the Fall tangent. It's such a good movie, you guys. You should see it. The cinematography is great. The acting is impeccable. That's good. The storyline is wild. It's so good.

It's definitely a good movie. I love how you saw that shit. I love how that's the shit that you watched. And they're like, you know what I mean? I love how that's the shit that's the shit that's, you watch, Legends of the Fall. Yeah, but look, it's tough. Congratulations to them.

It did my spirit well to see that she that she's together. And also to let people know that while you're fighting for a cause, it's not like your life has to stop. Your life doesn't stop while you're fighting for a cause. She was fighting for this brother to get out of jail. Sparks here, I'll tell you what, it's going to be a lot of brothers that try to recreate this now. A lot of people that's like, I'm telling you,

Kim Kardashian trying to get all of these dudes out of prison. It's going to be a lot of brothers out there that are now going to think, hey, not only, because think about it, it's going to be a lot of, you know, Kim probably gets inundated with people trying to get her to get them out of,

now that's not all they're going to want. That's not all they're going to want. They're going to want to get out of jail and they're going to want to be on season 19 and keeping up with the Kardashians. Boy, that would be so crazy. If Kim fell in love, don't want to see the marriage's break up.

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Visit weathertech.com today. There's a movie I need you to watch for me while we're talking about movies. You have to watch it. It's called My Octopus Teacher. I'm not. Absolutely not. Has anybody on Jordan Jackson, Isaiah,

Has anybody seen this movie? No. They haven't seen it. I would like to shout out somebody at this particular time. I'd like to shout out Amy Schumer. So Amy Schumer put it up on Instagram. The name of the movie is my octopus teacher, right? She said this movie is really great.

And I'm like, what the fuck is this? It looks like a fucking guy. It's a weird poster. And I commented, I was like, yo, what the fuck? And did she DM me? And so she's like, yo, you have to watch this. you have to watch this My Octopus Teacher thing

and it is about a guy in South Africa who develops a friendship with an octopus in the wild. It's getting worse, fan. From the title to the plot, I'm not intrigued. You have never seen a story this beautiful before in your life. You haven't seen a story

that's beautiful before you. But is it like castaway vibes where it's just like Tom Hanks just talking to Wilson because Wilson can't talk back? Like I don't want to watch another movie like that. Nope. It is, so he dives. He's been diving his whole life.

By the way, the aquatic life in South Africa is beautiful. It's beautifully shot. So he dives. He's been diving his whole life. One time he dives and he meets an octopus. Is this a true story? It's all right there.

Okay. It's a documentary. Okay. So it's documented. Like he, he like, cuddles the octopus. And you watch the octopus's entire life. Okay.

So he sees the octopus, and at first he just starts noticing that the octopus is checking them out. Right? Octopus is watching. Octopus is seeing him. And then all of a sudden, he puts his camera down so he can observe the octopus. And he notices that the octopus is interacting with the camera. It's super smart. So he comes back and he puts his hand out and you see first contact. Get out of here, man.

I'm not. You're not believe in me because you don't want to. to believe in love. This octopus movie, love. Like, this is real animal to like, man, love. There are, this, this is a, this is true. I don't think this is true. I don't let say how this movie can, can, has growth, like how it moves. Okay, once first touch happens, then what? Like, a hug,

a full out hug? They hug later on in the movie, for sure. You know what this is giving me vibes of? What's that movie with old girl that falls in love with the, um, the alien thing? It won all the awards at the Oscars a couple of years ago. Oh, we're talking about, uh, Benicio Deltaire movie is The Shape of Water. This is giving me shape of water vibes. It's kind of like the shape of water a little bit. But I don't need to see it.

But except it's real. So it also shows how he navigates the ecosystem because he goes and checks in on the octopus all the time, right? He dives down there. And you also get to see the life of the octopus and how amazing the animal is and like how cool they become and the octopus. And then at the end, you know,

the cycle of life that the octopus goes through. The movie I feel is like Charlotte's Webb. It ends with... Oh, no, I can't watch that. It ends with, you know, the kind of the, not to spoil for anybody, but the octopus fucking dies. It's eaten by a shark. No!

That's how he's bad. You made it seem like life just happened. He ran his course. Not that he was murdered. No, you're missing it, though. You have to see it. So there's a part where there's a part where you're not getting it. I'll just fast forward to the end.

So there's a part when the shark is chasing the octopus, right? And it's like all dramatic. And the octopus actually beats the shark and it beats it by getting on the shark's back. Shark doesn't even though the octopus is on his back. Octopus kind of gets away, right? But later on, the octopus has to hatch eggs and lay eggs, right? It mates and then it lays eggs. And with this particular octopus, once it lays eggs, that's it.

It's over. It dies. So it laid eggs and it was super weak. And then the shark came in. maybe I'm telling them about the end of the octopus movie. You didn't finish it. So you're telling me she fell asleep. Because that's how I'm feeling right now.

Right. Like the shark comes in. The shark comes in and the shark grabs the octopus and goes away with it. And then it cuts back to the guy and he's crying. He's crying. He's talking about the lessons that he learned from the octopus. It's called my octopus teacher. Is it a real octopus?

What are you talking about? What do you mean? This is a real question. Is it a real octopus or is this like animated? It's a documentary. It's a yes. It's a real octopus. So I asked you if this was a true story and you never gave me a yes or no answer.

I said it's a documentary. It's like he's a photographer and a filmer dude and like a like an aquatic documentarian. But why don't you say yes or no? It's a true story. My octopus teacher. It's a true story. You know what I'm going to do? I'm going to bring Amy Schumer on to the show.

I love to. She's a big Bachelor fan. Bring her on. I'm going to bring Amy Schumer on to the show. And Amy Schumer is going to talk about one of the most wonders, one of the most wonderful, one of the most impactful movies I've seen in a long time. The name of the movie is my octopus teacher. Okay, so here's my question to you. You're giving it a lot of credit.

So why was it so impactful and meaning to you? And what did you learn from the octopus? This guy who was going through a tough time in his life, right? He was dealing with a whole bunch of things. Couldn't really find himself again. He found himself again through, he was going to, he was diving into the ocean. At first he was finding himself through solitude because he said he likes to go into the ocean

and it's super cold where the ocean is, where he's from, made him feel alive and he starts craving the cold. But it was something that he would do all by himself. he would only dive alone. But after a while, he developed his kinship with the octopus, right? Okay. And so every time he would dive and go down there,

he would be connecting with someone. Then at the end of the movie, when it shows him diving, he's diving with his son and like four other people. Because now he has learned how to reconnect with people because of his connection to the octopus. It is called my octopus teacher. It is a great movie.

And I know, no, no, I know why you're being so skeptical. I don't know why you're being so skeptical of the octopus teacher. You know what's interesting about you? Is that you got married on The Bachelor and you don't want to believe that someone could form a connection with somebody in a very small amount of time. This isn't somebody. It's an octopus.

What are you talking about? But an octopus is a lot. And you don't understand how you can. It's an intelligence. I'm starting to get up to be real with you. I'm starting to feel a little played by the way you're being scared. I'm starting to feel a little played by the way you're reacting to this movie that really touched me. Where could I watch this?

On Netflix. By the way, I should tell you right now, I'm going to look it up. My octopus teacher, I'm going to see, I'm going to guess it has 99% of people liked this movie. A diver swimmers with an octopus that lives in a kelp floors off the coast of South Africa. My octopus teacher. Shit was amazing. Well, you guys, if you've seen it, DM us.

Tell us about it. I'm going to try to watch it because I got to see what you're talking about. I got to be honest with you. You know what we're going to do? We're going to come to y'all crib. We're going to bring some wine. We're going to come to y'all crib.

I'm going to bring Brian to play coyote basketball with me. And after we play coyote basketball, we're going to come back and we're going to get into my octopus teacher. Because I don't know. I don't understand why you can't. and just like you really were. It's an odd, it's an odd pairing. You know, man and octopus.

It's just, I don't, I can't see it. You know, I'm very visual. I got to see. I'm listening. I hear you. And I don't want to take away from your experience and what you felt when you watched this movie. You and Amy and the other people who gave it a 99% review.

It's an amazing movie. Amazing movie. Now, college football is coming all the way back. the SEC is starting next week. Big Ten, college football. What? No, I mean, go ahead with the story.

With the story? Why? Are you laughing about? Because I just thought, do you think the Big Ten feels embarrassed? Like, at first, people were like, oh, man, you know, they were all, they were ahead of the game.

They care about their players. They realize these, these are amateur athletes, and they don't get paid, and it's not great to put them in this type of situation. And then the Big 12 was like, we're playing football. SEC, we're going to play football. And they're kind of like, oh, well,

we're just going to delay our season and we're going to go ahead and get on board too. You know what I mean? It makes me laugh. So for people that might not know that I listen to the podcast, what we're just talking about is exactly the way it happened. There's five power conferences. The Big Ten was the first power conference to say,

we're not going to play because the coronavirus test, because the coronavirus pandemic, they want to put the athletes in harm's way. But now, you know, other conferences are playing football. And there's developed some rapid testing, which I guess wasn't around when the Bit Ten made this decision. So it's maybe a little bit safer.

I don't know if it's a little bit safer. There was a college athlete not too long ago that passed away from coronavirus. Oh my gosh, I didn't know that. There was, yeah, but it's working. It's working. So the Big Ten has now voted to play college football. Is the Big Ten right? was the Big Ten right for postponing or was the Big 12, the SEC,

and some of these other college football conferences? I mean, look, it seems like sports is getting back to normal. Quicker sports is adapting to this faster than America. Than America is. I mean, because there's money involved here, right? So it seems as if there's going to be a semi-normal college football season. Oh, is this? Are we overlooking the safety of these athletes, though?

That's a tough question to answer because, I mean, I was definitely one of the people that was commending the Big Ten. And there was another conference that did it as well. The Mac. But the Big Ten is obviously, you know, bigger because it's got Ohio State and everything in it. But I was commending them for, you know, leading the charge and saying, you know what, we're going to sacrifice what. it's a lot of money that they would be losing, but they were putting their athletes first. And despite, you know,

athletes like big-time athletes like Justin Fields pleading with them to open up the season saying, there was this petition going around saying that they wanted to play the game, they stood strong and said, nope, we're not going to do this. I thought that that was very big of them and something that we don't really see come out of the NCAA a lot. So I'm answering this in two part because at the same time,

if the Big 12, I know specifically, has taken these measures to do the rapid testing and to protect the athletes, if they're protecting them as well with what they're doing, then I don't understand, then I can see why the Big Ten would jump on board. I just think it's funny how things have changed from where they did. When did they make that announcement? Like a month ago? Well, a month ago, like two months ago or something like that. I just want to say this, college athletes out there, be careful.

So you don't agree with it. It's not that I don't agree. It's the only way things can go, really, to be honest with you. Like, they weren't going to... Wait, what do you mean by that? They weren't going to sacrifice their season. Like... So you think even if testing,

they didn't have this enhanced testing, they'd still play? Somebody was going to play. Gotcha. Do you think that that's what pressured them? The fact that other conferences were still... Not the testing, just that football is still going on in parts of the country. Yeah. I think without a doubt, I think what the Big Ten needed, what the Big Ten wanted to do, they wanted to do this.

And I think that their reasons were sincere. But they thought that they would be a trailblazer and that everybody else would follow. And then there'd be some cachet for them to say, hey, we cared about our athletes when nobody else did. Well, the other conferences says, what we're going to do say, what we're going to do is we're going to find the safest way we can do this. Remains to be seen whether it's safe or not. We're going to go ahead and go get that money. Here's the thing about the NCAA. It's a cartel. It's a cartel that trades in the talent and the abilities of mostly black bodies at the highest levels. So if you thought that at any point en masse that the NCAA was going to put the health of a bunch of young black athletes ahead of its bottom dollar, then you were crazy.

I like football as much as the next person. I love LSU football. Love it. It was going to be. a chore not to watch LSU this fall. But I would have done it happily. I would have done it happily if that meant that those young men didn't have to go out there and put themselves in harm's way. That is a lot that we know about the virus now. And it's not that we know about the testing and the treatment now that we didn't even too much ago. We're learning more stuff by the day. So I understand that.

But I do think that it is a little bit ridiculous for the big 10 to come back now. like sort of after they've seen it. The whole thing was money. So if you're an athlete anywhere and you're listening to this, make sure that you're not doing anything that you don't want to do. If you think you can get drafted next spring and you don't have to, Jamar Chase from LSU, a couple of other guys, if you don't have to touch the field,

then don't touch the field. Don't feel like you have, don't play for no city, don't play for no college, play for yourself because that's what the NCAA is going to do. They're in it for themselves. Yeah. Before we get to mailback, because I know that we have an amended sort of podcast here because of my tardiness, I'm sorry. Brianna Taylor's family got a $12 million settlement from the city of Louisville.

You're a knee-jerk when you heard that. I'm not mad that they got $12 million. I know there's with some controversy around it. I'm not mad that they got money. But what I don't want and what I do see happen often is when I think, family does sue the city and the city pays out, everything stops. And so I don't want this to be a form of hush money. Take that money and use that money to fund, you know, the pay for your attorney or whatever you need to do to fight for justice for Brianna. Even if it's taking that money

and spreading it around the world for other people who are experiencing exactly what you're going through right now. Let's take that money and use that money for the fight for justice. That's, that was my knee-jerk reaction. I don't have a problem with them taking the money. It just doesn't need to stop there. I don't have a problem with them taking the money either because it's punitive, right? It just, it's just, you know,

I guess it, the city, the system has to pay for what the system did to a degree. So here's my issue with all of that, with the money situation and stuff like that. So I'm of the belief. The government actually puts a dollar amount on the life

of a human. The government does. I forget. get what the number is now, but there's actually a number amount that's assigned to a human life. The government puts a number on that. I'm of the belief that a human life is obviously priceless. You can't, like, you can't put a price tag on a hug, right? Like, think about what it means right now to like to hug somebody that you love or, and what would you be willing? You can't put a price tag on that, right? So you can't, there's no price tag for a hug or for a laugh, for a smile, or or for watching somebody graduate, there's no way you can put a price tag on it.

And Breonna Taylor doesn't have that forever. That's over forever. Yeah. So everybody understands, when I say forever, I mean for eternity, no more Breonna Taylor, she's gone. So $12 million does nothing to go towards that.

That doesn't do anything. That means nothing. And I'm sure if you ask Breonna Taylor's family, they'd rather have her than $100 million, than $200 million, than a billion dollars. They'd rather have her. So to me, the, there's no justice that's available.

Shout out to Brooke Obie, who said this on Twitter as well. There's no justice that's available. You can't have justice for Brianna Taylor. She's dead, right? The only way that the city can make this right, and I know these things like a cliche, is to do something to move us towards a situation where there won't be another Brianna Taylor.

Exactly. So that's the only thing that they can do. So the only thing that can be, that can even, start to address this problem is systemic change, functional change, that says to that community, we are not going to allow this to happen again. The only way to make something out of this entirely disgusting thing

is to use it as a way to make people safer. And I don't see them wanting to do that. And to be honest with you, if Brianna Taylor's family received $12 million and then decided that they were going to go somewhere far, far away where they're now, I couldn't blame them for that either because they're in pain. But no, I know that they won't do that

because they've been part of things. I know that they won't do that. So what I'm saying is, you know, like Jamel said, the taxpayers paid for that, that $12 million. So I don't think it means anything. No, it doesn't mean a thing. I just don't want people to take, you know, like, oh, they're getting $12 million and as if it's the family's fault for accepting it. They better take, you're right, it doesn't, it doesn't even compare to Brianna Taylor no longer being with them.

But they should take that money. But the fight shouldn't stop there. And I think that everybody's on the same page of that. And I think the family would say that same thing. It shouldn't stop there. And the pressure should still be on the city. to make change and for justice for what happened to Brianna Taylor, a change and justice in that case.

And I want to also point out that the daily I mentioned this podcast before, they have a really good two-part Brianna Taylor podcast, where if you, that really breaks down what happened and even has audio of people being interviewed and you understand the story because there are a lot of people who are against what's happening in Louisville and are spreading rumors as to the background of Brianna, Taylor and her family, and they really do a good job of explaining things. They do a really good job of giving you the background so you can fully be knowledgeable about that as much as you can with the information that we're privy to about what happened

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making a nice cuddly aquatic friend. There's nothing wrong with that. I don't want Rachel to make you guys think that if you're down there and you happen to make friends with a starfish or if you make friends with like, I don't know, a sea lion or something like that, if that's your pal. Don't let Rachel make you feel like me and Rachel, we're about to get drunk and we're going to get wine drunk, drunk off wine, and we're going to watch my octopus teacher.

We have time for one mailbag question. Jordan, whenever you're ready. Okay, we have a question. Rachel does a show on ghosting for MTV and we heard her ghosting story but Van, have you ever been ghosted? Yes. I can't believe I never asked you this question.

I've been ghosted before. You've been ghosted? Yes, I've been ghosted. I was ghosted in Brazil. Wait, okay, I knew you would have some crazy story if you ever were ghosted. How? Why? What happened? Okay, so went to Brazil.

So there's a full story Do you want the full story? Yeah. Okay. So went to Brazil. All right. Went to Brazil with my brother. 99.

Okay. Circa 99. 1999. Okay. First time in Brazil? First time in Brazil. First time in Brazil. All right.

We're down there and we're in Copacabana. We're doing our thing. You know what I mean? You know, doing our thing. And we meet these girls. You know, and we meet these girls down there and we're hanging out with them, like five days, the whole night. We meet these girls in a strip club, I should say. We go to a strip club.

That's a big part. Yeah, we will go to a strip club. We meet these girls. Right. So we meet these girls in a strip club. And, you know, we're having a great time. We're spending money, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Down in Brazil, if you're a black American brother, you get some love, you know what I'm saying?

So we're down there. We're having a great time. And brother goes, hey, you know, they want to come back. come back with this. And I'm like, what? Because, you know, these are Brazilian women. They were just, there was something different that I'd never seen before. Not better than the ladies where I'm from, but just different. So I was going crazy, you know?

So, you know, I'm down there and we leave. And so for four or five days, we're hanging out. Me and this girl. She doesn't really speak very much English. And I don't speak any Portuguese. But we're going to the beach. like we're doing all kinds of stuff. Oh wait, this is like days.

I thought this was just a night. No, no, no, no, no. This is days. This is days hanging out. They were back with us. We were going, E, we were dancing, doing the whole thing. We got robbed together down there. Stop.

It's like the whole nine. It's fantastic, right? So we're all doing our thing. We're having fun. And, you know, she gives me all of her information and stuff like that. And, you know, One day I wake up, one day I wake up and they are gone. And they left, both girls.

And my brother is coming out. He's like, yeah, just put them in a taxi. They're gone. Was your wallet there? My wallet was there. Was your jewelry there? Okay. You know what my brother told me?

What? He said, I paid them and they left. Sorry. That is a ghost. Do you know why? I didn't know that they were prostitutes. I didn't know. That's not.

So what happened was I had her information and I had tried to call for the whole. I was in love. I was in love. I'll be honest with you. I did something toxic. I went back to the club looking for her. I was in love. Literally, I was thinking, you know what?

I wonder if I can come down here. every summer and just kick you or like what it would take to get her to get her to America or blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah never nothing was answered never heard from her again never talked to her again

and by the way this entire time they sold it I thought we were gonna I really was thinking yo should I transfer and do college they're professionals they're professionals I'll come down here and I'll sell Brazilian beef by the beach

you know what I'm saying? Like I'll open up my own Fogo de Chau. Like I'll change. I can change for you. I'll change is what I was thinking. This sounds 19. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

It was definitely. We was out there just chilling, man. The whole nine. Never heard from her again. Completely ghosted. Talked to her. She disappeared. Like, never heard from her again.

Like, really never. And really took me like a year and a half to like get over it, really. I was kind of like, damn. And it was my first time really being out of the country like that day. It's ghosted me. It's ghosted. This might be one of the best ghosting stories I've ever heard.

I don't know if it qualifies, but it might be one of the best ones. Why are they not ghosted? She definitely ghosted. You were with prostitutes. So what? She was just simply doing her job. Well, maybe it's their job to ghost. Maybe we should look into that.

Is that toxic? I support sex workers, but is it toxic to just ghost a good customer, which is what we had been up to that? I didn't pay, but my brother did. You know what I mean? And so I don't know. Maybe he didn't pay enough. I don't know what happened, but she ghosted.

I felt like I at least deserved an explanation because I thought I had got to her, her creamy center. You thought you could change her. I thought I could change. I don't want to change her. I'd have been there. She could have been real with me. At that point, life, she could have been real with me. She could be like, look, just let you know, if you're coming down here to be with me,

this is what I do for a living. I've been, okay. Be safe. Be safe. Other than that, we did. No, because you know how the story goes. Eventually, you would have said, You don't have to work like that anymore.

Come back to the States with me. I'll take care of you. I'll give you a good. Don't make a face like that. You were sprung. Go back to your 19-year-old stuff. Don't try to be cool about it. That's not me.

That's not me. I don't care about them. I care about me. Go out there and make your money. Come back home to daddy. We're good. I'm getting upset thinking about it now. Getting upset thinking about it now.

But that's the only time I was ghosted then. You know? So, look, it's now time for unexpected ally of the week. and mine is obvious. My unexpected apple. Is Amy Schumer. You got... Did the octopus have a name?

I don't think... No, the octopus didn't have a name. He just called her she. It was a lady octopus. You know, but he was cradling the octopus. He was like... Are they not big? No, it was a pretty big...

It wasn't that big. It was... I was like, I would say probably like this big. It would swim and would change colors. It could change colors and it would ink. It's an amazing animal. There's something creepy to me about him, but okay. No.

Amy Schumer, I'll never eat calomari again because I watched this. So that's squid. Is it, it's not the same thing? Mm-mm. Have you never had octopus? No, I've never eaten octopus. Oh, there's definitely a difference. Is it good?

Is octop's good? It is good. It just depends how it's cooked. It's more octopsy. It's a little octopusy. A taste a little fishy sometimes, huh? Because, you know, you got to worry about the octopusus. You know what? Let me go ahead and get to my unexpected ally of the week.

Sometimes it tastes a little fishy. Yeah, it depends on, you know, octopus hygiene and things like that. Anyway, so what were you, what are you getting ready? Who's your unexpected ally of the week? Paid Manning. Oh, yeah. Did you see this? Yeah, HBCs.

Pade Manning honors prestigious, prestigious alums with scholarship endowments at six HBCUs. I don't know if you guys saw this story, but the, I don't know. don't know who all they were named after. I'm looking at the article now, but I know that the Gramlin State alum, Doug Williams, your family friend, learned that an anonymous foundation endowed a scholarship in his name at his alma mater,

Grambling State, and turns out that came from Peyton Manning. And apparently he did that at five other HBCUs. Where to five? Southern. Okay, I was about to say. Tennessee State for Southern. He did it for Harold Carmichael. Tennessee State for Wilma Rudolph,

Fisk University, Dr. Revis L. Mitchell Jr., Zaver University in Louisiana, Dr. Norman Francis, can't read. And Dillard University, Dr. Michael Lomax. Oh, shout out to the ladies down there at Dillard, man. Yikes. Anyway, I thought that was beautiful. What a random, what a, we've talked about endowments and HBCU's not having these great, large endowments. And I thought that was great that Peyton Manning did that. And he did it in honor of people as well.

So that's actually a gigantic part of it, you know? He took the time to educate himself a little bit about some people that made those. So that's peak allyship right there, you know, for somebody like Peyton Manning, who did it, but also took the time to recognize people that were involved in all those universities. So good on Peyton Manning. I still, that's great. But he didn't show. me what true love is this week.

The only person that did that was Amy Schumer as far as the octopus teacher's concern. So we're going to bring Amy Schumer on here. Hopefully we're going to get her and we're going to talk about it because, you know, shout out to helping out Southern University. But what they really need to do is get a fish tank down in Southern. Y'all see that Southern University? What's your mascot? The Jaguars.

Jaguars. Y'all hear that fellow Jaguars? He put the octopus over you guys. As proud as you are of Southern University. Not what I did. And what in the school you came from and Bad Rouge, Louisiana, you watched one movie with an octopus and that went, what?

The octopus needs to be at Southern. We need a big ass tank so that we can come and see. Because really, to be honest with you, the octopus really showed me that every time I think that we have to be separated and segregated and stuff like that, I see something that reminds me

that we can all work together. If man can commune with octopus, then community, no, that's actually not true. The octopus is probably not nicer, a lot nicer. The octopus, because the octopus,

though, didn't have trans and slavery. You got to let it go. The octopus, the octopus had, I feel like you had nobody else to talk about this with other than Amy Schumer.

So you tried to bring this on to the podcast and thought, maybe you could gather more people who would be interested in it, and you failed. I don't understand what the deal.

Look, my octopus teacher is the name of the movie. Go. Watch the movie. My name are nowhere in the credits. I cried over the octopus movie. I did. I cried.

I cried over the octopus movie. All right. By the way, like, like you, are you going to continue to do the podcast like all done up in your like ghosted extra face and stuff like that?

Are you going to do that? Probably. I'll probably end up. Why? Do you want to step it up? Now, I'm going to start fucking stepping it up then. I've already been inquiring.

I want you to know, I've already been inquiring about where to get a man wig in L.A. I haven't found anybody to do it yet. So I think that would be your glow up. I'm with it. I'm winning. Kilmager style.

All right, guys, I am dripping wet with sweat from playing coyote basketball. That is the end of higher learning. Take your thing caps off, but do not stop learning. I am Van Lakin. And I am Rachel Lindsay.