Higher Learning with Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay - UFOs are Real, Kwame Claps Back, & JB Smoove on Being White Famous

Episode Date: May 21, 2021

Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay breakdown why Rachel’s never seen Back to the Future *pun*… there’s still time (12:41). Plus, the House passed an insurrection commission bill (17:29) then actor, comedian, JB Smoove joins the show from his garden of Zen to lighten the mood (29:15). Finally Barack Obama confirms UFOs are real (1:01:42), Kwame Brown’s had enough (1: 16:24) and once again it’s mailbag time! (1:41:41) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Yo, yo, yo, thought warriors. What is up? Harleyn is on. It is I Van Lathan. And it's me, Rachel Lindsay. What's up, Dan? What's up? What's going on?

What's going on? Time Square, Rachel. Have you been in Times Square before? No, Rachel. I haven't. I'm assuming that from asking that question that you've been in Times Square before. Okay. My friend sent me a picture.

And it's like, it's one of those things like, wow. Back in 2007, I interned in New York. And she came and she visited me. And they had this thing for tourists where you would write on the dry erase board and they take a picture of you and they put you up in Times Square. So she sent that to me to show how far I've come. She's like, look at you, friend. Look how far you've come.

And then, you know, Bachelorette. There was a poster in Times Square. but not like ours. It was off to the side, kind of in the cut. This was prime time. And we look good. And we look good. Y'all know we did.

We did. That's the old pre-pandemic weight that I was at right there. So it's good. Look, I feel way about it. But here's the thing, though. That was really cool. Yeah, it was. That's something.

It's really cool to be able to have your mom. If you guys don't know, we're talking about me and Rachel did a frequency shoot Spotify and there was a billboard for it up there in Times Square like a big digital billboard. It's cool, man. It's like a cool thing. It's dope. It's really cool. Yeah.

Wow, I've never heard Bozeman bark. That's always coppers job. Is everything okay? You want to check on it? Hold on for a second. What's this guy's deal? Hold on. Okay. All right. I'm back. Hey, what's your deal?

he's lonely you just want some company get away from me oh my god elbow the hell out of you in your face what you're doing that's why you hit your hand it's so big he's such a big head

yeah he does get up here as a ratio you can see she said you interrupted the podcast hi bows look at that look at that handsome cut

look how good you look That's all he who wanted us to see him Look at that smile Get down, get out Van, don't you feel like you see Bozeman In every dog now? Yeah, he's good Yeah

He's looking at himself in the mirror And he's just so funny Like he can't get over the concept Of him in the mirror It's so hilarious. Okay, back to the podcast No, but it was a lot That was definitely very cool

Rache, you know what I haven't asked you? I haven't asked you How's Brian been? What's what's up with Brian? How's he adjusted to L.A? Brian's good. Brian loves L.A. He wanted to be here before I was here.

But he's doing good. He's looking for office space actually right now. And I think he found a place. He put like a bid in for a certain office. So hopefully he gets it. He's trying to get all set up out here to his chiropractic thing. But thank you for asking. He's good.

You know what? I forgot about what I was going to say now because you said office space. and one of my favorite, one of the funniest movies. Have you ever seen Office Space? I have actually seen Office Space. You see of all the movies that we talk about on here. Office Space is a pretty popular movie. I know, but it's not one of the, it's not,

Office Space is in no way, in no way as big as Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure. Like, in no way. No, like, don't even, in no way is Office Space as big as Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure. It's later, it's like 10 years after. So that's probably might be a reason why you saw that not Bill and Ted, but in no way. But I feel like office space is something people talk about into adulthood. Like it's a conversation that carries on, especially it being office space and people can relate to like, oh, that coworker, that boss. Nobody's talking about Bill and Ted's excellent adventure into adulthood.

So if I didn't catch that back in the day, I missed the boat. Okay. So you have a slight point. But here's the only, here's the only pushback to your point. Office space is a movie that still for whatever reason remains in the zeitgeist because, let's face it, most people, I'm not going to say most people, a lot of people hate their jobs. So a lot of people hate their jobs. So office space is a movie that they can reference when they're talking about the angst that they have with their jobs. That's true.

But Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure is kind of like a big deal. I'd say it's a notch, a notch and a half under like Back to the Future. Another movie I've never seen. For adults with Crohn's disease or ulcerative colitis symptoms, every choice matters. Tramphia offers self-injection or intravenous infusion from the start. Tramphia is administered as injections under the skin or infusions through a vein every four weeks, followed by injections under the skin every four or eight weeks. If your doctor decides that you can self-inject Trimfaya, proper training is required.

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Dad terms. What? At least I've heard of it. I had never heard of Bill and Ted's. I've just never seen it. You know why? Because I feel like the time. I miss the moment.

I feel like the moment has passed me. At this point, I'm just too old to have seen it. What? Sorry, man. I hesitated even telling you that. I could have probably just lied my way through that conversation. But honesty is what. do best here on higher learning and I've never seen it.

I thought even Bozeman came back for this. Yeah, the dog has come in here. Bozeman the Bernadoodle has come in here. You've never seen back to the future. Nope. Like what kind of movies did the judge have you in there watching? I didn't watch back to the future, but I saw Flight of the Navigator. Flight of the Navigator is fine.

It's okay. It's okay. That was my back to the future. It's absolutely zero excuse for you not saying it back to the future. And by the way, the age thing doesn't work here. What year were you born again? 85. Okay, so that's the year the movie came out, right?

So I get it. You didn't see it. However, what I would say is there's a point to where you're like eight or nine years old, 10 years old, right? Everybody talks about back to the future. People talk about Marty McFly, Doc Brown, all of these things. You don't get curious enough to maybe check out back to the future. What was it rated?

PG-13. It's PG-13. It might have been PG-G, but it's PG-P-G-13, but it might have been PG-13. So if it was PG-13, I couldn't even see it until I was 13, and I really obeyed those rules back in the day. You really obeyed those rules? I really did. No, let me tell you something about.

I'm not, look, I really did. I'm not going to talk about your upbringing anymore. I'm not going to talk about it. I appreciate that. I'm sure my parents do too because they listen to this podcast. Well, I'm telling you right now, because all I'm going to have is smoke for them. If I continue to talk about this, you got the end of you guys are sheltered. You're like, Mom, Dad, I want to watch Bad to the Future.

And the judge says, I think we should be learning about Shadrack, Meshach, and Abindigo. And Abedigo. Like, you know what I mean? That's not how it went, but okay. That's exactly how it went. That's exactly how it went. My parents were like those ratings are there for a reason. So when you're 13, you can watch PG-13.

I want to watch a cartoon. I think we should talk about Joseph and the dreams that he had. You know what I mean? Like the coat of many colors. You know, like all that, you know, and that's kind of how it felt like it went for you. Well, it didn't. Not quite, but okay. I bet you know about Dakota many colors, though.

Well, of course I know. I went to a Christian school my whole life. We took Bible every year. Of course I know about Joseph. I mean, Rachel was his mother. Rachel was his mother. So Rachel, your name, Rachel, is that's a biblical name. It is a biblical name.

Wow. Back to the future. No back to the future, huh? Maybe I'll see it. Maybe I'll see it. No, no, you're going to see it. No, you're going to see it. Okay.

you're going to come over and we're going to watch back to the future. But see, here's my thing. Here's my thing about this. If I don't enjoy it, if I don't enjoy it the way that you want me to, you're going to be upset. You have to realize it's not 1985. Don't matter. So the special effects, all of that, it's going to fall flat on me. I remember I tried to watch an old Batman with Michael Keaton.

I cannot remember. I tried to watch an old Batman with Michael Keaton. And I was like, what the hell is there? Yo, hey, hey, I'm going to be honest with you. Stop. Seriously. After I saw the dark night, I was like, I'm sorry, how did Batman just fly up in here? It was so I could take the special effects.

You know what? I'm going to be real with you. I'm going to be real with you. On some real shit. Seriously, all jokes aside. Yo, watchers. Look how upset he is. Serious now.

Serious now. You're doing this on purpose. This is not true. Like, serious now. All jokes aside. There's all jokes aside. There is a moment. It's too hard to watch some of the special effects from older movies because we've got we've moved so far.

We've moved so far past that. There's no CGI in the original Batman. There's very little special effects. It's their traditional effect. I saw how Michael Keaton flew in. It was a scene and I said. Flew in when? You're talking about when he flies in?

Look, it's you're wild. You're a wild person. I'm about to call Bill, man. Is Bill around? Hold on for a second. No, don't call Bill. This is not the rewatchables. There's a reason they've never asked me to be on that podcast.

There's a reason. Okay, unless they're recapping care bears or something like that, they're not going to have me on there. Don't, do not call Bill. I'm going to call Bill right now. You don't, that's not necessary. I'm going to get Bill on the phone because, because, because I'm sick of it. Our listeners would like for us to start the podcast.

That's what they would like. They don't want to hear from Bill. I don't. care what they want. Wow. That'll be a topic in the Reddit conversation. Shout out to the Reddit. Shout out to our thought warriors.

Everybody go become a part of one of the highest communities on Reddit. You know what? You're right. I'm not only need to call Bill. What is he going to do? Thank you. Like we could just move on. Just shame me.

It's not about shame. It's about actual. It's actual pity. It's not about shame. I don't need your pity. Don't matter. Don't need it. Don't matter.

You never saw back to the future. You need somebody's pity. You think Batman, the original Batman, the Tim Burton Batman, you think it sucks. I, okay, those words did not. That's what you said. I laughed. I laughed.

It's hard. It was hard for you watch. Name me a movie that you like. Tell me, just throw out a movie that you like. Tell me a movie that you like. That I love. Yeah, tell me a movie you like, yeah.

Legends of the Fall, we've talked about this. No, give me another one. Give me another one. A movie that you like. Why? Because that's good. And you just want you want. I know, Lexington Falls is cool.

No, Lexington Fall is cool. Give me another movie that you like. It's a movie that's good for Rachel. Higher learning. Fuck that shit is stupid. That's how I feel now. Why you couldn't do that with Legends of the Fall? Because, man, I got to be honest with you, bro.

I got to be honest with you. I can't do that with Legends of the Fall, man. It's so good, right? I can't even count. Legends of the Fall, man. Like, Legends of the Fall. I can't, I can't. That would be a lie.

Everybody who knows me would know that if I diss, let me tell you something. Legends of the Fall, Brad Pitt and Legends of the Fall, it's like you look at it and you go, because a lot of times you watch these movies and these guys are supposed to be dashing and great looking and all of this. Right. Who is this, nigga? And you look Brad Pitt at Legends of the Fall, his hair's long, he's all earthy and stuff like that. And you go, no, I see why she fucking with him. like she couldn't get over him yeah yeah i get it and then also i would love to do like a black

version of legends of the fall and i'll tell you why i knew we can move on okay okay and then i want to no but i would love for you to cast the brothers okay so i'll cast the brothers this is the i'll do a black version of legends of the fall i'll tell you why legends of the fall is some messy shit it really is like legends of the fall is like okay so the they go all off to war The brothers come back or one brother dies in the war and then the girl is still there. Why she stuck around after they went to war and after the guy she was with died, I'd never know. I never know why she was still there. Because of Tristan.

But she did at first she wasn't with Tristan. No, no, no. Remember before the younger brother left and the older brother caught her and Tristan kind of looking at each other in the library. And they were kind of giving each other the eye. And they kind of backed, but they didn't do anything kind of backed away. She already had a thing for Tristan. So the moment old boy died out there in war and she got the news when she came back, she was holding on for Tristan.

It opened the door for Tristan. I know, but I would have waited seven years. When she said forever was too long, not for Tristan. It wasn't for Tristan. And then Tristan had to cut his brother's heart out during the war. He didn't have to do all that. He did. He did.

It was part of his tradition. It was part of his culture. He cut his brother's heart out. Wrapped it up. And then he went on there. He killed. He went behind enemy lines. Skouted everybody.

It was crazy. But if we remade Legends of the Fall. Okay. Who were we casting? This would be the brother. This would be the brothers. Okay. So the brother that dies in a war would be played by Ashton Sanders.

Do you know who that is? No. I would have said Donald Glover. No. It's going to be Ashton Sanders. Okay. Donald Glover could actually be the other brother. The older one?

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, I think he's got that kind of stick up his ass type of situation. He could be the older brother. But, okay, okay, okay, okay, I've seen him before. Moonlight, Moonlight, Moonlight, yeah, yeah, moonlight, okay, that's a good one, moonlight, moonlight, moonlight, moonlight, um, moonlighting, no, he wasn't moonlighting, he was a moonlight, so Ashen Sanders would be that brother. You know what, Donald Glover's not good for the older brother. I know, because you need somebody straight-laced, very, very, I'm trying to think who you cast there. Is that a Lakeith Stanfield role?

No, no. Maybe Anthony Mackey. That's too old. Too old? Yeah, that's too old. You stay calling Anthony Mackey old. That's twice you've done that on the podcast now. I'm not dissing Anthony Mackey.

Anthony Mackey's 43 years old. These guys got to be dudes that are young enough to like go and serve an award. Yeah, but that older brother came off very old. He did. He gave that off. He came off old because we're not realizing the fact that these ages are getting younger and younger every single time. I'm 41, right? Niggas that was 41 in 1985, that was Danny Glover.

You know what I mean? It was totally different. So that's why the dude was probably only 32 or 33, 34 maybe. So anyway, anyway, we'll care. Who is Tristan? Yeah, that's the hard one. Who is Tristan? Tristan is going to be hard.

So. Y'all help us. Help us. Tristan could be Tramante Rose. Tristan could be, no. You don't like Tarante Rose? I could see him being the older brother more than. Do you like, do you like, yeah, yeah, Abdul, Matine for Christian?

Do you like, we just need to. He's the older brother too. You got to have like a hyper pretty boy warrior poet type of dude. You know what I mean? You got to have like somebody like that. I don't know. But black legends of the fall. Black legends.

That's the name of the movie. Black legends. Black legends. And we make it all modern. We do the whole modern thing. That's IP. I can get that made about it. Like some urban cowboys type thing?

I don't know. Don't have to be urban. Hold on. Don't have to be urban. Fuck that. Every time they take something black, they make you urban. Legends of the Fall and Cabrini.

Urban Cowboys. in Cabrini Green projects. Let's take Legends of Fall and put it in Harlem. No, it's going to be out in the, no, it's going to be out in the, black people can have farms too. We got a farm and we're going to move it up to current day. We're going to make it the Iraq War or something like that. You know, it's great. It's the best idea we've ever had.

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Political news. We haven't settled into U.S. political news, domestic political news as much in a while. The House passed a bill to create a January 6th insurrection commission. Okay. The GOP was very staunch in opposing this, right? The vote passed. The bill passed with a vote of 252, 275.

The bill is going to face a different landscape in the Senate. it. It's going to need 10 Republicans to be on the side of looking into what happened. And of course, we know that Mitch McConnell opposes the bill. Do you know what the purpose of this bill is and what they're trying to do here? How much do you care about investigating the incidents, the investigating what happened, going deep, deep, deep, basically applying government resources. to a commission to investigate January 6th. What, and here's my thing, whatever the commission finds, what's going to be done? That's my thing. If you find, if you finding out who did it, aren't we, isn't the FBI already on that? You're finding out who was behind it. Isn't the FBI supposed to be already on that?

I guess I don't understand the purpose of this. If nothing's actually going to be done in regards to the insurrection. You've already, you know, they've already gone through the impeachment process. that didn't work you've already the Republicans some came forward and were you know

condemning the president for his actions in it and they retracted they took that back so what's going to happen here what's the purpose of all of this the GOP is already fighting it I just don't understand

at this point I'm just like if it's not going to help in any way which I just don't understand how it will then I don't understand the purpose of it okay so what it's supposed to do obviously is establish an independent

bipartisan commission and it'll protect against the the politicization I can't say words of looking into it right and it's supposed to be something for us to get to the bottom of sort of the failures

and maybe the larger issues surrounding what happened January 6th right so here's the thing here's the thing and this is why I'm this is why I'm actually fascinated by it, all right? Go for it. Do you want to know how big in scope the insurrection was? Is there a possibility?

Obviously, there's a possibility and there's a probability that if there wasn't knowledge, if, put it like, put to you like this, when you look at groups like the three percenters and the oathkeepers and all of these other people that are mixed up in these groups that were significantly pro-Trump, Is there a possibility that this commission could provide the American people with a roadmap of just how far these people have immersed themselves into organizations and structures and places that we rely on? Don't you want to know just how many active military members consider themselves to be oathkeepers or three percenters? Don't you want to know how many congressmen or people in Washington have connections to Q&N? Don't you want to know how far this goes? And to me, I think commissions like this, oftentimes when they look at things and they use these resources, if it's effective, what they're able to do is actually take a look not just at what happened, but at the behind the scenes of what happened and kind of give us some sort of inkling.

of how much this thinking, these organizations, and these perspectives have bled over into actual, into influencing people who we actually need to work on behalf of all Americans. What do you think about that? I think that's a great point if something's actually going to be done once those findings come to light. If it's just going to be a report that comes out and nothing is actually going to be done,

then what was the purpose of it anyway? I guess the reason I'm not hopeful for that is because anything that has surrounded the insurrection has kind of failed. There hasn't been, I guess, big things that have been done at the fact that people stormed the capital and tried to take over. To me, I don't see it going anywhere and that's why I say, what's the purpose? But if this, but if what you say happens and it is revealed that these type of organizations have infiltrated our, to Congress or the military or people with power and then they act on it to remove these problematic people, then go for it. I just don't see that happening. Yeah. I don't know how much, I don't know how things work to that degree, how much, I guess what I'm, what I'm talking about

more so is, you know, to get a look at exactly the state of disarray that, American political thought and American political action is in, right? And another thing that fascinates me by this is the fact that the Republicans oppose it. Well, that's what I was going to say. Is that because these findings may come to light? And the fact that the Republicans oppose it, some Republicans, I don't want to be for all Republicans, but some Republicans oppose it, it tells me that there's probably a point to where we need to understand just how far that went. and is there is there going to be something from this that comes from this that maybe precludes president

Trump from running again is there i don't think so there might not be but what i'm saying is if the january sixth insurrection is a one-off event of a bunch of people who if it's just a flashpoint event uh a one-off with a bunch of people who were feeling a certain way at a certain time and they all went off and acted crazy well then you throw all of those people in jail and then then you move on with the task of governing the country. But if it's not, which I think we can all, if we look at it with a critical eye,

agree at least anecdotally that it doesn't seem to be. If it's not, if it's a symptom, then if it's a symptom, then that means the disease has the possibility of the potential to get worse. And if it can get worse, we need to know just how sick we are.

And I think that is what a commission like this could do. It could be a diagnosis for the country to understand exactly how unchecked these things are in some of our organizations. So let me ask you this. Commission goes forward. They create a bipartisan commission. They find certain things. You have faith that the American people as a whole will accept it, that that's going to be the thing that convinces them that it's corrupt because we're so divided right now. The other side, let's just say it comes to light that they're corrupt and these certain organizations, it was a calculated move and these certain organizations all came together to make it happen and they had help with people from people in power. I see people making some type of excuse

as to why that happened like they have with everything else. Everything. President Trump wasn't responsible. Oh, it wasn't really, it was it wasn't really an insurrection. Oh, you know what I mean? Everything has been excused away. So I just, I just, just have no faith that people would accept whatever the findings are corrupt or not well i think we know enough right now anybody who's followed it we know enough to know that it was more than just the one-off incident that i suggested absolutely i think we all know that i think we know that there were at least some people up on capitol hill that were sympathetic if not just if not sympathetic part of what went down okay yeah i think we all know that hailing them

And they would walk back and walking by, I mean. Helping them in, doing all whatever. Eating with them, hanging with them beforehand, whatever. I think two things. Number one, I think not establishing the commission is giving them a pass. It's giving them a pass even before the commission starts. And the question is whether or not the Republicans are going to give them a pass. There's something interesting about the Republicans right now.

the Republicans talk about the fight for America and Republicans are willing to fight everybody for America except for their own party. They're willing to fight with everyone else except themselves. And I guess that's a thing that a lot of people

are guilty of. You know what I mean? You're willing to fight everywhere else except for the battle right on the home front that you need to win. And what I would say about that is that I challenge the Republicans to actually

face the realities in their own party. It's not the Democrats, it's not the left, which I'm not a Democrat, that right now that's threatening democracy. The threat to democracy is coming from the right. Well, good luck with that with the removal of Liz Cheney. I understand that. But what I'm saying is right now,

most Americans polling suggest that most Americans don't believe that the Republicans take the majority of the House back and the Democrats went again in 2024, that they're sort of that they will certify the election you know what I mean like democracy is really it's really a deal and yeah a way to move on from this is to have a critical intelligent dispassionate look at what happened and then give those findings to the american people and let them know what kind of country they're going to be but it's going to take some heart and some balls from the republic can't you just look out and see what kind of country the american people have because we can you can see

that without a report from this commission. No, you're right. But what I'm telling you is that this incident does seem to be, it does seem to, it asks questions that need answering to me. It does. Listen, you've kind of, listen, in this conversation, I'm not, I'm not against it. I, if things go happen the way that you're talking, I'm a little curious. I'm intrigued now.

They're not. then it's not going to happen. Republicans are going to stop. I know, I know, but I'm intrigued. Or they want to keep saying that it's Antifa and Black Lives Matter. Sure, sure. Of course, it's an age-old American problem. If you don't have a culprit, blame the niggers.

Age-old American solution. Hey, black people did it. Hey, black people up there. I didn't see, I hardly saw any beige people. They weren't even any tans. That's how you know that people ain't going to the beach. All right. Look, guys, we have something actually pretty fun.

We've had a lot of heavy news, but we are going to go to an interview with one of our favorite guys right now. We got J.B. Smooth on the podcast. We're talking about his new podcast, which is all about affirmations and, you know, kind of like, this is very positive. And we need positive stuff. It was a very heavy podcast on Tuesday. So it's glad that we have J.B. Smooth right now. So check out this interview with J.B. Smooth. What's up with you?

Man, you know, shoot, man. Just out in the yard, man, getting Zen-like up in here, you know? You look like you're doing well, brother. I'm going to put my leg over one leg over the other leg. See if I can still do it. See if I can still do it. I'd call an EMT to untie me, you know? Now I'm balancing that shit is

and carry your ass with an emergency room with your legs crossed and shit. You couldn't get this shit on rap. Right. Especially because it's because you have, being in the emergency room, which a lens crossed is one thing, but going to the emergency room because you crossed them is a whole different sort of thing. You're goddamn right. And you go to the emergency room, man, you see some,

and you hang out in the emergency room, she's a wild shit. Some stuff don't be emergencies, but it'd be sad. You know what I'm saying? I was doing that one night. A little kid came in there because he was trying to open a can of soda with his teeth and his lip got stuck on the damn on the thing. And they had to go walk him to the emergency room with a can on his mouth, a can of soda on this goddamn face.

What kind of shit is this? Have you yourself ever been to the emergency room? plenty of times. He talks like he goes every week. Hold on for a second. Hold on for a second. Let me introduce you real quick. High learning audience.

We have one of my favorite voices in comedy, one of my favorite people on television. J.B. Smooth is. is joining us down higher learning. And we're talking about it. We're already into the conversation. You've been to the emergency room before, plenty of times. I myself have been to the emergency room plenty of times, too.

What have you been to the emergency room for? When I was younger, I slammed, I lived in the projects in Mount Vernon growing up. And we always run outside, and we had them big-ass metal doors. You know, they had them big-ass metal doors on the projects. There was no wooden doors on the projects. It was all of the big, heavy-ass doors. I ran out and slammed the door. And the top of my finger got chucked off in the metal door.

Right. In the freaking door. I was slam the door real hard, had the football on one hand, run out and play football and slam a door. And half a finger on the top finger came off. Damn. Then went to the emergency. And we was broke, man.

We was broke as hell. We tried to call a cab. Couldn't get no damn cab. Because that's not considered something you would call an ambulance for. You know what I'm saying? Right. So we live four blocks from the emergency room. from the hospital, and I had to walk my ass

to the emergency room with my damn half my finger cut off. What did they, they reattached it, obviously? So, just a wild shit. So my got a doctor there, but I could tell he has never reattached the top of someone's finger before. You know what I'm saying? Right. But it wasn't the bone.

It was literally the top of the end. You know how your finger is. Yeah, yeah, yeah, of course. And in the bath, I felt bad because it was my fuck you finger. You know what I'm saying? It was, it was, it was, I said, man, I have ruined my fuck you life. You know what I'm going to say fuck you. And I got half a damn top finger.

You can't, don't have the same weight. Don't have the same power. It doesn't have the same power. Why are you asking you can't use the other hand? That's like half or fuck you. Like it's like, oh, or three quarters, three quarters. Three quarters of a fuck. So, so I want to, I want to, I want to ask you something about the two phases of your career.

Because I feel like there were two, there are two phases of your career. There was pre-curb your enthusiasm when everybody knew you as a, as a name in comedy. We had seen you familiar your face, you're popping up on, you know, everybody hates Chris and things like that. And then there's post-curb your enthusiasm when, you know, you know, you become what people like to describe as white famous. Well, where everybody knows you and you can get the table at Spago and every, because that's such a huge cultural show.

What changed for you because you've been doing this for such a long time? I'm going to tell you, I intentionally made sure my, everything I ever did, I study it, I choose it, and I make sense of it in my head. You know, so here's how I did it. When everybody was doing Def Comedy Jam six times, five times, I didn't, I did it, I did it like twice.

You know what I'm saying? Everybody was doing Comic View all those times in a row. I did it once. I won the first year they had it. You know, because they gave everybody a little 30-minute special off of that. I did, you know, I did everything, like, even everything, you name anything I've done on my IMDB, I try to pick things that make sense later, you know what I'm saying? So, and so I can be varied. I can have some, some depth to my, to my movement, and I wanted to be able to walk in any door

I wanted to. I don't want to be limited by my material. I don't want to be limited by my choices. I don't want to be limited by anything I chose to do. And I made sure that, I did it for the right reason or I didn't do it for the right reason. The Lord knows, I've turned down a lot of stuff because I didn't feel like I could give the project or anything what the director or what the person who created it wanted to see become. Right. But you are absolutely right.

I do have, you know, I consider it's more than two. I consider it like five or six JVs. You know how people say that, that one phrase they use. use, they say, mama, if I'm that man again. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? That's how I feel like I love the peaks and valleys of it, but I also love being smart about what I choose to do.

So I made sure that outside of doing BET Comic View, deaf comedy jam, I also did the first pilot ever on MTV. This is talking about the 90s. I did the first pilot on MTV called Apartment 2F with the Scarborough. brothers. I did a short attention span theater. One of the first things Comedy Central ever did. I did Comic Kazi, a stand-up show on MTV. That's their first leap into stand-up comedy. You name like anything, any first, and I was there was a lot of those first shows as far as comedy, you know, the first season of BET, first season of Comedy View, first season of Duff Comedy Jam, first

first shows second taping of a deaf comedy jam. So I got a chance to see all these new things, all these fresh things. But I've also always had a wider view of comedy and stand up. And, you know, I try to make everybody laugh. I don't try to just make one demographic laugh. But I am on both sides of the ball. you know, I can go both ways. I can do real husbands of Hollywood at the same time.

Leave that set and go straight to curb. Twice I was shooting curb, at the same time I was shooting real husbands of Hollywood. Right. So I go back and form because, you know, and I always told a lot of my stand-up colleagues, try to make sure you make your resume make sense to you, but also make sure you vary it because later on, you're going to want to get in some of these other doors,

but still be you. Not change, you know, like Van just said, I am on both sides, but Van never said, I changed. No, and I want to piggyback on that because I think it's so important for someone who's listening to hear what you're saying, because you said you passed up on a lot of things. And I think in this industry, it's easy to take something that's thrown at you

because you don't know when the next thing is coming. It's hard to be patient. It's hard to wait because you might need that money or the opportunity. Outside of your talent and just being who you are, do you credit that to your success, that you are so careful in what you choose for yourself, your career, your brand? Oh, but believe me, I'm a dare double.

I am the biggest daredevil you will ever meet because I have a bad memory. I have a terrible memory, not for lines, not for personal stuff. I just got a bad memory for any hiccup. You know, I'm very, I can, I'm like that, that, that, that, um, one they had on men in black. Yes.

When they wave in front of your face. Neuralizing. I can go back to normal like as, like a zero. I can have a, I don't have a, I can't have a, I took over a hurdle. You will never, you will never know. You will never know, you know, you know, what happened. All you know is, God damn, here comes J.B again. You know what I mean?

I'm hard-headed. I'm hard-headed, but that's a good trait to have because you're fearless. You know what you want to do, and you love doing what you love to do no matter what the hiccups. I tell people all the time, I tell young people all the time. Don't worry about any stumble because that's what it's all about. You learn from your, I learn just as much as I learn from doing good as I do, doing bad. You do well. You can't take that as you're satisfied.

and you know it all. I figure the shit out. I know it all, you know, because I did good tonight. And you do bad, you got to weigh them both the same way. You learn from both. You learn.

It's a golf swing. Van can appreciate this. You're playing golf, right? When you hit that ball good, that one time, all you got to do is remember what the fuck you did. Right. And that's the most, that's the hardest thing to do is remember exactly what you

did so you can try to repeat it and build your brand off of that. And that's the hardest thing in anyone's career. You know what I'm saying? That's the hardest thing in anyone's career is to find a way to make whatever happens, make

sense after the fact. Post. Post bullshit to currently trying to come from that into where you're going to go out in your journey. Yeah. So you are, you are, like I said

like funny everywhere all the audiences love you if you had to take and you're a student of stand-up you know so much about stand-up comedy if you had to take one white comic packed out black room in Atlanta and put him in that room and somebody that you know would kill

right that they're going to get it just off that who would it be who would it be the one white comic that you would trust to go in there and rock a black room. God. Sight unseen. A live or dead? A lava dead.

You can do a live or dead? Like a lava dead. You see. Man, one white comic. See, I'm out of hard time with that because, you know what? I'm kind of like Mike Tyson. Okay. You know, styles make fights.

Uh-huh. You know, I'm kind of on that. I think like that. And not necessarily what I think is hilarious and funny. And smart. It's not necessarily what everybody wants to see. They, there's, so you say a packed out house.

Packed out house. Atlanta, Bad Rouge, Jacksonville. You're talking about audiences that want it like this. Yeah. But they don't want, they don't want no stories. They don't want you long-winded on some damn set up, set up part.

They want the boom, bam, boom, bam, boom. Right. And I learned that, you know, I knew it, but I've also been through that. You know, where I've had a show where I'm not a boom-bam-boom comic. I'm a dude who sets it up, pulls your wind. That's what I like. Facial expressions, mannerisms, physical comedy.

I do it a little different. You know, that's why, you know, when I do my own show, I do an hour and a half of J.B. People know who the fuck they're getting. Right. You throw me in a mix with comics who do this. With speed punches, shit. I'm sitting there like. And deep inside of me, I know what's going to happen.

I said, you know what? This ain't my crowd. These people need to come see me on their own, not see six other comedians. They need to come see me do my hour and a half, not me do 20 minutes. And I'm not a 20-minute comic either. I'm not a 15, 20-minute comic either because I do a lot of callbacks. I do a lot of improvising. You know, when you improvise, you eat up time.

Right. You know, let me think about that. I can tell you who, damn, white comic who can kill them like that. God damn. Woo. Let me see, let me think about that. That's a good question. When it pops in your mind, just say it.

Just say it at any point. When it pops in your mind, just say it, just think about it. Because it's funny what you say, and I'll tell you why I ask that question is because I love stand-up comedy, like my mother and my grandmother are huge. stand-up comedy fans. And because of that, I remember I was watching this is a movie that me and Rachel argued about one time. A movie called, I was

watching Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure. When I was watching Bill and Ted's excellent adventures, Rufus popped up and my grandmother goes, that's George Carlin. And I'm like, who is George Carlin? And she went, oh, my God. And then, so I went down to Carlin rabbit hole and all of these people. And so

my comedy palette is so varied to where sometimes I put my homies on, I'd be like, yo, you guys got to listen to Bill Burr. And Bill Burr's super hilarious. And then they'll watch it. They'll be like, I don't fucking like that. You know what I mean? Now, you and me are alike in this sense.

Now, George Carlin, to me, you know, as far as when I started doing stand-up, I was a big fan of Fox, Red Fox, big fan of Richard Pryor. You know, I was even a fan of Bill Cosby pre-troubled. But you know what I'm saying? Right. These are all people who I grew up with, who I loved, my parents had their albums. I would play these albums and I'm like, yo, this is crazy. And back then they called them party albums.

Because everybody entertained at home. They would come up your house. They would sit, sit, and they had a little bar. Everybody had that little bar, you know what I mean? And they would just make drinks and sit on the couch and smoke cigarettes and laugh their asses off. Put that album on, put that album on, put that album on and then arrive. And they all just laughing their asses off.

They could have heard that album 10, 20 times. They still put that album back on and laugh their asses off. Because that's what comedy was. It was comedy albums. That was the thing to do. Now, those are people who I listen to coming up because that's what we had. That was our bar was there. Then Eddie came.

Then Eddie came a little later, of course, because Eddie's, what, 60 now? You know, so Eddie's, you know, five, ten years older than everybody else, who I started with. So George Collin, I used to rent, when I tell you, I used to rent the same freaking George Collin

videotape from the video store because I thought this dude was like the smartest, funniest fucking dude I have ever heard. Like I was sitting like, this dude is like unbelievable. Like he was like,

to me, what stand up was, you know, it was something to strive for because I felt like I had this already in my memory, in my upbringing, the triers,

the Red Foxes, the, you know, all these cats, right? Even Franklin's job, though. I love me some Franklin the Jai. He was bad too. I love that dude. He was in Call Watch. So, I'm going to show my age now. But these are these are the kind of comedians that I love

and you are absolutely right. Do what's calling? I'm, I'm I challenge anybody to pull up any of his old stand-up specials. This fucking dude was so damn funny. He was the one, like, as much as I wanted to do stand-up, I think he was the one that finally made me say, I'm going to try this shit. Because I felt like what he was talking about

and the smart way he was doing it, not that that was my style, but I understood it very well. because I'm on the term of what's funny is funny. I'm not on the term of, it's kind of like you walking out on Apollo and they boo your shoes. You know what I'm saying?

They'll boo your shoes. They boo your hat. You know, they already got the impression of you before you open your mouth. And you're like, damn, man, I can't wear this shirt. See, see? So, and then you surprised them with, oh, shit, this motherfucking fucking good.

You know what I mean? Yeah. But you got to get past that first impression of you. And I felt like this dude was so damn funny to me. I think he might have been the one that pushed me over the top that made me say, I'm going to give it a try. You know, I think George Collin would fit. And I think about him because all the stuff we are dealing with

in the world right now, George Carlin's take on the world is no one can match that. If he was alive right now, I'm telling you right now, he would destroy this world. He would destroy everything that is happening in this world and make absolute comic sense of it. Yeah. Absolutely. Absolutely. Speaking of the world and just like the state of comedy, it seems like over the last few years, just with the popularity of Twitter and the rise of cancel culture, you hear a lot of comedians talking about that it's harder to make comedy because of the,

the response that they're getting from people. You know, you even have comedians say they don't want to do college tours anymore just because of the whole cancel culture. What's your take on the state of comedy? This is a hard thing. You know, here's where we are as far as, I feel we are at as comedians. We got used to a certain way of doing what we do. A lot of us, the way we do it now is the way we started.

And we are absolutely personality. is attached to your material. That's where you are. That's how you got, that's how you started. That's how you develop your brand of what you do. Now, the world is changing very quickly.

You know, it's changing very quickly. But here's the thing that worries me so much about it is if you're going to, if you're going to, if you're going to make the comic PC, you're,

I think you're starting a fire that you can't put out. Only I say this because, movies go hard as hell. So it's like this. You can't have both. You can't go hard on a comedian, but in movies,

they do everything because it's a character. In the movie, it's a character. No one attacks movies like that, but they take it as the comedian that's him saying that shit. That's not the guy on stage. That's you.

You go home like that. You think like that. You wrote that, but that's how you really feel. So we got to be very careful about how far we're going to go with silence and comedians because it's going to bleed into other things that people honestly watch. You're going to take a character from an actor, a brilliant actor who brings somebody to like that. But that character is outspoken in the movie.

He says what he wants to say in the movie. You say that you're not playing an actor. you're not acting this rollout of this racist guy. You're a racist. You're the one said that. That's just on paper. You said it, though. It came out your mouth.

But it's a movie. Do you not let an actor be an actor? Do you not let the people who love to watch him come see him? Do you take what his role he's playing as that's him? You know, do you take that seriously? Like, that's you. No, that's not your actor. No, you're not that character.

That's you saying that. See, that's how we got to be careful because it can really go that far. Right. It can go that far because movies go hard. You get me? Movies go in. Big time. Django, would you take Django's character that, what's called him, played?

Linaar DiCaprio. Oh, would you take that character and say, nah, bro, that's you, man. No, fuck the character. Fuck the white outfit. and the mustache and shit, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. That's your ass. You ride a horse for real. Yeah, you got a horse.

You know what I mean? Yeah. You ride a horse for a. They can literally go that far if we don't think logically about what it is. And people have been doing, this has been around for ages, making people laugh and smile about things that are harsh, things that take their mind away from what's happening, what's really happening in the world.

The comics take on the world is a stress reliever of what is... Some people can't take the direct blow of the news because it's all bad shit every night. Who wants to watch bad shit before you go to bed? All you see is accidents, shootings, murders. You want to watch all that before you go to bed? That's what you want to see.

see what we're trying to see a comedian's take on it on something that's controversial, something that's crazy in the world, you know, it's very hard to be PC in this world, but, you know, comics are smart, comics are resilient. We are here to take the weight of the seriousness of the world off of your shoulders. We have a unique filtration system where we can, we take all the bullshit that even happened in our lives. And we give that to you. We give that shit to you. When someone on stage said their father wasn't shit,

hey, you laugh, but they are dead-ass serious. When they say their daddy wasn't shit. Or they're dead-ass serious. They're not fucking playing around or writing a joke. Sometimes they have to take that. Some comics use stand up as their therapy. And in turn, that therapy that they're given on stage is helping you deal with. you have a relatable topic.

Oh, my daddy wasn't shit either. Or whatever it was. You know, oh, I got a brother in a wheelchair too. Or whatever it is. They find a way to make that shit, you know, make it make sense and go on stage and make light of it because sometimes that's the only way people can deal with it is to make the light of it. If you got, if there was no stand-up comedians, all you got for the rest of your life was the real news, you will lose your

fucking mind. There's no way you can spot it. So I'm really excited for your podcast. And because it's like a, it's a good it's a good breath of fresh air to get just some

wisdom and some, you know, in a bite. I'm really excited for your podcast. Your voice. You know what I mean? May I elaborate? I'm really excited for you working with Conan O'Brien on that, right? Like that's going to you and Coco, Team Coco together on that.

I'm really sorry for your podcast. I do want to ask you because I'm a big nerd though. I want everybody to make sure that they download and listen to May I Elaborate. So fun. Like, you're having a good time with it? You're having a good time. Oh man, let me tell you something.

It is, you know, it's pure like, and when I say, when it's called, may I elaborate, I am literally improvising and elaborating on some of the most ridiculous shit. ever because it really is all I'm doing really is taking these affirmations uh these positive affirmations and I am literally just opening them up and giving you what I think they mean to make give you clarity because a lot of them are deep it's so deep that you don't understand them you'll read them you say damn

what the fuck did that was that really me and Miles and I my partner Miles my co-cohost we take it and we make sense of it but we make it funny and silly we go over the top but then we reel it back in at the very end, just to get you more focused and get you back on track. You know, five days a week, it's daily. And we love it, man. It's fun. So the question I wanted to ask you, though, was actually a nerd question. It's about Spider-Man, No Way Home, that you are coming back for it.

A lot of people are in it. It's all, all this stuff is out there. They're doing multiversal, crazy hijinks. They got Jamie Fox in there. They got Alfa Molina in there. What was it work? see what was it like seeing all the different spider man's in one movie like toby mcguire andrew garfield and all of those guys like in one spider man movie along with uh tom

holland let me tell you something about let me tell you something very cool but something very about marvel marvel is so goddamn secretive when i tell you if you find some shit out you tell me because i tried to get you i just tried to get them i tried to i just tried them i just I want you to tell me that shit. Come to say so. It's amazing. And this also goes back to what we talked about earlier, man, is finding these little moments,

still bright spots, because you don't know your path. You don't know. I did a commercial with Tom Holland for Audi. And I'm sitting in the audience watching the Avengers. Which one was it? Oh, damn. It was like the previous one. Infinity War.

Yeah, Infinity War. And I'm sitting in the audience, watching the movie, and I told my wife, I said, man, I got to give me this goddamn Marvel universe. We got to, baby, and I'll tell you something. That commercial was a little seed that I planted, and I'll tell you, less than a year later, they called me about being in and inspired me from home.

So that's how things show more time. You stay late. you make Tom Holland laugh you make the director laugh you hang out you're loose you free they love you you love them they like your previous work and that's the thing you know

they give you a call again about something else you know that's a damn commercial you know I'm in the mom I'm in damn far from home playing a damn teacher but I will tell this much I will tell this much though when Marble call you I'm giving a damn who you are out there

if you get a call from Marvel the first thing you ask them to clear shit up is what are my powers. That's the first situation. Can I ask you this question real quick? Because Van and I are both fans of this show.

I read that one of the things that you binge during quarantine was Game of Thrones. Oh, my God. Couldn't stop watching it. So I have to ask you, which house, if you were in Game of Thrones, which house would you have been a part of? Oh, shoot.

John's snowed my dudes. So I'm all team John Snow. I'm all team John Snow. I'm telling you something. You know how great of a team John Snow and I ask we were the maid? Ain't a lot, man. I would have been a talking horse

just to be in that shit. You hear me? J.B. Smooth. The podcast is, may I elaborate? I was looking back at him like this. Raid my damn tail I'll be like, yeah. Bro, we are so happy, man.

Anything else you want to plug? You got coming up? Man, look, this is an amazing, amazing, you know, in light of all this stuff that's been going on that we've been going through right now, everybody's, you know, going through this pandemic. Everybody's going through everything, man,

from social justice to everything that is going on in the world, man. I'm just happy and blessed to be. busy, man. You know, happy and blessed to be able to keep creating, keep having fun. We got the, of course, I just wrapped on Kirby Enthusiasm, new season of Kirby enthusiasm. Amazing, yeah. Three days ago, real husbands of Hollywood is coming back.

Amazing. So we're going to be doing that again. You know, I'm going to be doing woke again, another season of woke. Shout out to me, man. I'm all, I'm, I'm across the board, man. You know, I got the curb stuff, of course. That's the different demographic. I got the woke stuff.

I got the real husband stuff. I got stuff I'm producing. So, you know, that's what it is, man. You got to find some way to stay here, but be able to do this and be able to do this. Right. You know, it's like, you know, it's like the Dow Jones, you know what I'm saying?

Right. You have to know, you know what I'm saying? That's how you get to come on your career. You got to think about and make sure you can do everything. Right. you can walk in any room and explain yourself and do what you do. And once they know what you do and your brand is established,

all you got to do is show up and hit the ball, man. Hit the fucking wall and just enjoy it. Be courteous and just have fun, man. Well, we appreciate you joining us down high learning, brother. A pleasure to talk to you, man. Hey, man, I remember one time when you was at TMZ and your offices were over on sunset. Yeah, sunset, yeah.

We went in an elevator together. We were. You got in the elevator, and you was like this. You looked at me and said, I know you are, J.B. Smooth. That is my fucking right now. You said, but I ain't going to fuck with you right now. Yeah.

Years ago. Yep. Remember that, man? Yeah, I do. I see you, J.B. You're right. Because I had my shit with me. You're like, I have my equipment, yeah.

Me and my wife, you were like. Right. I see you, dude. I'm going to slide today, though. Yeah, man. Well, come a long way, brother. Come along with. Hey, man.

Yeah, Van, man. You know what it is, bro. Stay in contact, man. I mean, hopefully when all this calms down a little bit, man, I'll get you out to the RV parties, man. Of course, bro. I do those big-ass RV parties at the beach, man. We have a blast, man, so I'm waiting sure I invite you.

All right, my brother. I'm sorry. I make sure I invite you guys. I wasn't going to beg, but I was secretly hoping. I was putting that out there. Thank you so much. Thank you so much, Jamie. You know what I mean.

All good. All good. All right, my man. Hey, y'all be good. You all stay safe, man. Good talking to you. Good talk to you, too. Same to you.

Take care. Okay, so the next story I'm obsessed with. I'm obsessed with this story. Does it have a number in it? No, it doesn't have a number. Okay. All right. What story is this?

Barack Obama confirms footage and records. Oh, I should have a known. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. President Obama was asked about this Tuesday. Obama said, what is true, and I'm actually being serious here, is that there's footage and records of objects in the skies that we don't know exactly what they are.

We can't explain how they move with their trajectory. Obama told CBS this. They did not have an easily explainable pattern. And so, you know, I think that people will still take seriously trying to investigate and figure out what that is, but I have nothing to report to you today. It's about to happen, Rach. Rach is about to happen. I want no parts of this. Why?

None. Why? None. Why? You don't know what you don't know. I want to stay ignorant. I don't care. If shit is flying around out there, if there are other things, let them be.

I don't want to know. I don't want to know a report. I want to stay ignorant. If there is life out there, cool. I don't want to see it. Okay. So here's my thing. Here's why you're wrong.

I'm not trying to be right. I'm telling you, I don't want it. I don't want it. I'm telling you, you're looking about this in the wrong way. You're looking about this in the wrong way. You're looking at this in the wrong way. You're looking at this in the wrong way. What we should do is we should be figuring out how we're going to make our case to the aliens.

You know? we should be figuring out how to get the aliens on our side. Okay? So you're already assuming they're against us. That's what you just did. I'm not talking about. They're going to be against some humans. They're definitely against some humans, for sure.

For sure. The aliens that have, aliens that have spent all of this time trying to come here, there's only two reasons why they would try to come here. I don't like this conversation. One reason why they would try to come here is because they actually dropped us off here and started this whole thing and they're just coming to check on us. Okay. That will be one reason.

What page in the Bible is that in? Well, the Bible says that God, the God, no, what up? The God says that God created heavens and earth. It doesn't say which earth? It sure doesn't. You know what I mean? Like God, there's a whole universe that God created and we're so focused and hyper-centered on what's, what we're going through that we don't think. that there are other planets and other solosisms and other stuff like that.

So it's a dynamic system. It can be whatever. So either one, they dropped us off here and they're coming to check on us. That could be the first thing. The second thing is that they are nomadic, warlike, and exploratory,

just like we are. And they're coming here to scout Earth for a potential evasion at some point. And they're watching us. I don't want to go that way. And they're watching us to see. My thing is this. I got three reasons right here that the aliens,

if they come here that they should be down with us, the black people. You know, our side of things. Three reasons, all right? Three reasons that I think the aliens should be down with us. Number one is we haven't done them nothing. We just been chilling, all right? Hollywood. has been making all of these movies

where Hollywood treats black people and aliens the same way. They make us the bad guy and everything. Literally, in the history, think about it. In the history of alien movies, you got basically like three or four good aliens, right? You got fucking E.T. Right. Starman and K-Pax with Kevin Spacey.

Really? Are Grimlands aliens? No. Grimlins are just like some special species from here. Okay. Okay. It's a wild question to ask. I got to be honest with you.

But what? I think that was a logical question to ask. But and really, it was really white executives that did all of that. We didn't have nothing to do with that. We had nothing to do with that. You know, and it turned out even that K-Pax, Kevin Spacey, ended up being a bad alien anyway. Kevin Spacey ended up being bad.

So we didn't do them nothing. Okay? We got the same issues that really we have the same issues the aliens have. It's the same shit. What were the things in District 9? They were aliens. And remember who they were rolling with? They were rolling with, what are you talking about?

The white people? They were all the black folks. Oh, yeah. They were living with us. We were living with them. It was the same thing. And yeah, I forgot about this. And that movie, I've said.

And that movie actually They painted Nigerians As a terrible light I know they did They really did But they were living with black folks But they were living with us The aliens were they were live with us

By the way district nine haunting The guy turns to an alien at the end of it It is such a, I cried in that movie That is a good movie This is haunting Haunting Haunting But yeah

So I think look We know that the aliens are out here Rach be honest We know No no I want to create A black alien pact

like an alliance an alliance and the basic tenets of this is going to be like hey we ain't do it because I'm serious the aliens are going to come down here and the aliens are going to come down here

they're going to be like hey the environment is ruined we're going to be like we ain't do it they're going to be like hey there are all these nuclear bombs and stuff like that we're going to be like hey not because of us we had nothing to do with that

you know what I mean hey there's all these movies where we're depicted as angry and we're going to take over and we're going I'm going to be like look at them. They did that. With us? Look, man, give us your technology.

You know what I mean? It's our time to run things. It's good. Don't. It ain't no. Hey, humankind is ain't no humankind. Go get some straight white males. Go hallad Joe Rogan.

He said straight white males. Ain't going to be able to have a voice. no more or say nothing bad. Can I say some of Joe Rogan real quick? Did he say that recently? I do not pay attention to him. Joe Rogan said, I have no issues with Joe Rogan. I have a lot of issues with Joe Rogan, but I don't have enough issues with Joe Rogan to care, right?

Joe Rogan has said a lot of things. But a lot of times Joe Rogan podcast, I listen to it. It's an enjoyable listen. Whatever. Joe Rogan said that, and this was like, this is the old news by now that, like, society is going to get to the point to where straight white males aren't going to be able to say anything anymore. You know, if

straight white males, a group who I have no problem with, shout out to the straight white males, man. Shout out to the straight white males. But if straight white males never spoke again, we've heard their part.

Okay? If they never spoke again, we have enough for straight white males to laugh. us until we're the aliens. Okay? You expect me to give a fuck about that?

Like you think I give a fuck about that. I just don't understand how somebody can say that with a straight face and expect there to, like, I mean, outside of the people who look like that, I don't understand how he thinks anybody's going to be like, yeah, you got a point. And by the way, I don't want any censorship. of anybody, no matter who they are, sexual orientation, race, gender, whatever. Well, that's when you're not, they're not, he's not

getting it. Nobody's trying to censor or cancel an entire group of people. That's not what's happening here. Definitely not me, but I, if you think I'm about to if you think that's the think piece that I'm about to crack, that's the book that I'm about to reach out your mind. You're not the least bit, you're not the least bit

curious about the aliens. You're not, you know, not at all. You don't care. I'm scared. Like, that's, that's Just the honest truth. It's the unknown. Don't know if they're friendly. Don't know if they're against us. I just, I don't want to know.

I've been, I'm chilling here. Shit, this is hard enough. Now you want to add aliens up into the mix? I'm good, Van. I'm good. I'm not that curious. I'm sorry. I'm just not that curious.

So it's interesting. It's also very self-centered of me to think that beings that would be as evolved as aliens it would come across, you know, billions of light years or whatever, would have in any way the same thought patterns or processes that human beings would. It's my tiny little mind trying to, you know, explain alien life. So it's probably stupid too. But I don't know. I think it would be exciting.

Well, good for you. I think it would be exciting. I think it would be dope. If they come in and they land and they open up their ship and ask you to come inside, you're walking in? No. No, of course not. What happened to that excitement, man?

I didn't say that I would be, wait, hold on. Listen to me, God damn it, I don't get on a rollercrosis. Do you think I'm getting into alien shit? No. You're excited? No, no, I'm not doing. No, I'm not doing. So they're limits.

They're limits. It would be exciting for you to see them from a distance. That's what you're telling you. It would be exciting, you know, and by the way, Obama line. Again, once again, that's, I'll watch a movie. Obama line. This is the second line that Obama has told recently. Why?

Because he's lying. Obama knows. Obama knows. Obama knows that they're aliens. He knows. Okay. Well, Obama, Obama knows that they're aliens. Do you feel like this was a big story?

It's everywhere. So the government is, in my opinion, the government is slowly rolling out the fact to Americans that they at least have a suspicion or a belief. that there is unexplained flying phenomena that could be extraterrestrial life. The government to me, and this has been going on for like a year, a year and a half, two years

where I think that they're trying to get us comfortable with something that they feel like they already know or a possibility of something. But there's a report that's supposed to be coming out, right? Correct. Okay, you can give me the cliff notes. You're not going to read. And I want the,

The PG version. You're not going to read the report. You're not going to read the report? Nope. Nope. No, I'm not. There you go. There you go.

But Brian is very into this as well. Of course he is. Of course he is. Me and me and Brian are adventurers. You know what's going to happen when, because me and Brian, we're going to go, we're going to go gun shopping, right? I get you guys some. Sounds like we need to hurry up. We talked about it.

Me and Brian go gun shopping. This is going to turn it to a movie where me, I'm not playing in it. Brian and Kalika are like on the road in my Honda cross tour that me and Brian have fortified, right? And we got guns in there. We're just trying to make it. I don't know. We're trying to make it to Sacramento.

And the country is under alien invasion. You and Kalika are the brains of the operation, right? You guys have plied out the thing and we got to go and me and Brian are out there where pu-poo, pew. Poo Poo! It was like a couple. And this is how the movie is going to go. The movie is going to flashback from the post-apocalyptic alien warfare that we're in right now to the last dinner party that we were having.

That's why we're together. So there was a dinner party that we were having here at the house when the whole shit went down. Right. And then we were all together and it forces us to stay together. As this alien invasion is happening, we got to get to Sacramento because that's the last sort of U.S. forces that are going to be here on the West Coast. We got to get there. You know, we're all, and we're having all these conversations

that we thought mattered during the dinner party. And then after the dinner party, all of these other things we're talking about are so much more. And we're all friends and we're trying to get there. And, you know, me and Brian are out there. We're figuring it out. We're using all of our life skills. We're telling anecdotes in the dinner party that come,

that turn into things that we have to know about. You say something like, you know what? I had a whole phase where I was really into math. And yeah, I wanted to be a map maker. I wanted to be a, but that, we don't know. Why is that my conversation? I'll tell you why. I'll tell you why.

Because it's going to come in handy later. It's going to come in handy. You're going to draw the map because we don't have no cell phone. We don't have no nothing, but you're good with directions and stuff. You're going to draw the map and you're going to like figure out, I'm telling you, that movie, that's a hit. And we got, look, we got, we got, we got, we got females. centric characters that are that are that are doing their thing we got brian to bring us the Latino audience you know we just need it we just need some bad guys I love that you left out

copper and bows well copper and bows have been infected by the alien disease and now they're full grown dog monsters okay they've turned to dog monsters and it's funny because like mutants like They're big mutant intelligent dogs. But they're on our side. No, they're not. Copper has, copper is the leader of a mutant dog game. Don't make, don't make.

And Bozeman is his second in command, but Bowes still has a heart. Wow. Bose ends up helping us and copper. Wow. Move on. Move on. Oh, shit.

So I did all of the smoke, the podcast. I saw you take a picture. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, shout out to my home boys

from six feet over our production company. We did. And of course, shout out to Showtime and to Stephen Jackson and Matt Barnes. Me and Trayvon did

all of the smoke yesterday. That's the Showtime? Yeah, Showtime does that. Yeah, Showtime does that. They recorded? It's like, On, on, they have an actual show now? Well, no, it's on.

Yeah, it's like on Showtime Digital is where it comes on. Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it's the vaccine, huh? You're vaccinated? Allergies. Allergies. Yeah, it's bad, bad, man.

Pollin is like, God damn. Yeah. The rock out here, man. It's not stopping. Pollen is just killing. Yeah. But, no, so we did all of the smoke. I talked about you on All of the Smoke.

I talked about Hi. Thank you. Yeah, yeah. Talked about us. I'm really pushing this Regis and Kelly and Kelly narrative. But you know what else we talked about on All of the Smoke? We talked about the fucking newest internet sensation of the week. Quame Brown.

Oh, y'all covered that. Well, I don't know if it'll be left in. But they asked at the end of the episode who me and Trayvon would want to see on all those smoke. And I was like, well, obviously, Kwame Brown. Now, if you guys don't know, Kwame Brown is a former NBA number one overall pick, which is an insane thing to be, to be the first pick in the NBA draft. That puts you up there with Alan Iverson. that puts you up there with Shaquille O'Neal, Kyrie Irvin.

So many amazing players, first overall pick in the draft. You are the best prospect. You're the first pick in the draft. Being the first pick in the draft, though, doesn't always work out. No, it doesn't. And whatever happens to you in your career, the higher you're drafted,

the more it's magnified, unfortunately. There have been some amazing number one overall selections. For Quarme Brown, his NBA career, if you measure it against basketball success, what you would want out of a number one pick, the cornerstone of a franchise. His NBA career didn't live up to the number one draft pick status. Don't get me wrong.

I like I said on all of the smoke. I still look at Kwame Brown as an unadulterated success story. He played 13 years in the NBA. So he stuck around. He played that many years? 13 years. And he made $65 million. So shit.

To me, I don't understand how that's not fucking successful. But he'd been getting hated on for years. Biggest draft busts of all time. This nigga been letting people have it. he when he's gone off on Matt, he went off on stack, he went, he brought Jamel Hill into it, he challenged Stephen A. Smith to a fight. Okay, I haven't even seen all of this.

Oh, my God. Like, he talked about racial Nichols. He gave it to. Yeah, like, he gave it to Charlemagne. So everybody, and everything he says, has been going viral. Should we move on from this topic? Because I don't want my name.

I don't want my name in his. Well, don't say nothing about it. I really don't care. You scared of on me, Murrow? I'm just, I just said, I don't care. I'm kidding. As much as I talk about people, you know, I'm not scared.

So this is what he said about, this is what he said about Stephen Jackson. Because this all started, just let you guys know, Stephen Jackson and Matt Barnes had on their podcast all of the smoke they had Jeannie Bus on Jeannie Bus is the president

of the Lakers and she is the daughter of Jerry Bus and she was involved in the move that got Powell Gasol to the Lakers well at least she was a part of the Lakers when that happened and she said that they traded Powell people don't know that a lot of people don't know

most basketball people know that they traded Powell for the rights to Mark Gassol and they also traded Kwamey Brom And they said, she said, you know, it was a two-man deal because we traded Mark. We traded and then we traded Kwameh. And then, you know, Stephen Jackson said, no, it was actually a one-man deal. Wow. Sadisted Kwame Brown.

And then there was some laughter. And this set Kwame Brown off and he's been giving it to everybody since. You haven't seen any of this? I've seen, no, I've seen some of it. I didn't know what the original comment was. Listen, let me ask you this question. I think I know the answer, but have we, has Kwame, Kwame has always been the low hanging fruit, right?

It's been very easy to talk about how he's, he's a bus. Everybody knows that. Anybody who follows sports. So this has been going on for years, despite him having 13 years, I did not know he was in the league that long, 13 years in the league making millions and millions of dollars. He's still an easy joke to make. And it's the same joke every single time.

With all of that, with all the years of the joking, has he ever come out and said anything? I didn't even know what his voice sounded like. Exactly. That's what I thought. I didn't even know what his voice sounded like until he started making these videos. So imagine that it's you're like the brunt of every joke. Everybody. Oh, okay.

Don't be Kwame Brown. But it's always been said. So the man has had enough. And I'll be honest. I'm here for it. Oh. You're on Kwame Brown side. Well, my thing is, is I'm not about him going after everybody.

And I honestly don't know everything he said. I don't know he went after Jamel and Stephen A and all that. I've seen some of it. I've seen what he said about Matt Barnes and Stephen Jackson. But my thing is, how much can a man take? He sat quiet for all these years. He hasn't said a thing. And he said, you know what?

I got time today. I've had enough. You want to talk about me? Let's go. And I'm for that. He has a right to def- He has a right to defend himself. He has a right to not sit in silence and allow people to continue to drag his name.

He has the right to get people's minds right. And that's what he's been doing. But a lot of the stuff that he's been saying, like some of the stuff that he said about Charlemagne was defamatory. Because Charlemagne is your friend. Of course, we got to say something about Charlemagne. That's your friend. Whoa. Here's a deal.

All of these people are friends. I don't know what he said, though. All these people are my friends. Jamel is my friend. I don't know Stephen H. I have no idea what he said about Jamel or Charlene. So he's easily triggered now is what I'm saying. Because all Jamel Hill said was he woke up and he chose violence.

Correct. A very common saying. A very common saying. And I don't think that he knows what that means or maybe he did know. What did he say? He was just like, don't speak on me saying I chose violence and stuff like that. And I don't know if he knows that she wasn't dissing him. He's just now, it's just like he's in a position where everybody can get it.

His social media has gone up by, I think, like, 30 or 40,000 followers. You know, he's been getting thousands of views. They open Pandora's box. Stop talking. Before this, if people had to describe Kwame Brown, what would they say? One of the things would be he's a bus. It would know. The only thing would be NBA draft bus.

Okay. The only thing would be NBA draft bus before. Now, how will people describe him now? Fucking menace. Like the clapped back. But look, here's a thing. Now, I'll be honest with you. A lot of the things that are being said, you know, these are personal insults, right?

And so I guess my question to you is that if you insult Kwame Brown about his NBA basketball career because this is a question that we really should ask a lot of times when we're talking about this stuff and I don't need to take up for these guys seriously all of these guys can take up for themselves right sure but but if if we talk about Kwame Brown's NBA basketball career right that's something that you do and people get to talk about whether or not you're as good as the next player whether or not you're this whether or not you're that that's something that's sure in the public form talking about people's personal lives. And is that not because all of his comebacks? So Matt and Jack are talking about Kwame

Brown as a bust, right? They say, hey, it's a one-man trade. The clap-go ahead. The clapback's personal. No. The clapback is personal. The clapback is, hey, Derek Fisher stole your wife. Hey, you're a gang member. Hey, this person accused you with this. Hey, you're weak. Hey, you're this. These are, he says it in his videos. He says, you're talking about basketball, I'm talking about your life. Is that fair? I'm not saying, I'm not excusing the fact that he's attacking these people personally, but I think it's a little bit, I don't think it's given the full story to say

Stephen Jackson was just talking about the fact that his basketball skills weren't up to par. She said it was a two-man trade. He said, actually, it was just one. Right. That's ruthless. You just totally. That's ruthless? You just totally.

didn't even regard him as a human being and a basketball player. Oh, you just totally, you didn't say, wait, you didn't, no, no, no, he could have said, he couldn't, he didn't even acknowledge him. That's fucking rude. Right, it is rude, it is rude. But what I'm saying is. He didn't even acknowledge him as a person. Okay, so he wasn't as good as he was, he was projected to be.

He was not a, he was not a first round draft pick like player in the NBA. His career did not amount to what people thought he was going to be. You can, that is all fair game. You can say all of that. But to diminish him to nothing by saying it was just a one-man trade, I can see why it's like, okay, that's how you want to do it. That's, that's cut, that's cut throat. I'm not disagreeing with you that a clapback is a clapback.

And that's another reason why we talk about this all the time. My daddy would be like, don't play with people. You slap somebody on the back of the neck, they might turn around and shoot you in your head. You never know what the next. man got in his arsenal and you don't know what kind of day he's having. But in the sense that they said it was a one-man trade, when talking about people in basketball or sports terms, you're not talking about the essence of who they are.

You're talking about whether or not you trade it for something that can help your team, right? He said he was nothing. Rachel, I get what you're saying, but that's in a basketball term. Like you can, is it okay? I guess I'll ask you this. is it okay to say that somebody's nothing on the basketball court? Is it okay to say that somebody amounts to nothing like as a basketball player? That's not what he said.

She literally said it was a two-man trade. But they're talking about basketball. And he said, actually, it was, did he go on to explain that? No. Think of how it comes up. You get what I'm saying. I do. Think about how that comes across.

I'm not saying that they can't talk about his play on the court. I'm not saying they can't talk about his time in the league. I'm not saying how they can't talk about his draft pick and how he didn't amount to what people thought he was going to be. All of that's fair and that's opinion-based. And we do that all the time on podcast. Right. So look, here's my thing.

I'd be upset if I left this podcast and they'd be like, oh, well, it was only really about Van anyway. That's, this podcast is about all of your thoughts and all of your feelings, okay? Okay. Look, here's the thing. Once again, You can't tell nobody how to respond. You just can't.

You can't tell nobody how to respond. I tell you what, though, and this is the thing. A lot of stuff that gets said, you do say stuff to people that you can't unsaid. Matt didn't challenge him to a fight. Matt Barnes did? I didn't see that part. I just saw him say he DMed him and he didn't respond. According to Matt, what Matt tried to do at first was handle it and said,

hey, blah, blah, if I said anything. And Kwame wasn't having that. So Matt said, you can come on all of the smoke. We can talk about it face to face. And if you want to fight, we can fight. And, you know, obviously we know that Matt means that. Kwame has said that he doesn't want to do it. He says it's not going to be no violence, of course.

He says no violence. Although he did say that Stephen A. Smith should meet him in Seattle so he could assault Stephen A. Smith. What did Stephen A. say? Oh, my God. I'm sure Triller has been. been hitting up all these parties involved. Oh my God. What Matt and Stack said is whatever.

Stephen A. Smith has been on Kwame Brown's head for 20 years. Oh, yeah, yeah. There is a video. I thought you meant like recently. There is a video of Stephen, Kwame and Stephen A. Smith, that's different. Like Matt and Stack, you could take it or leave it, whatever they said. Kwame and Stephen A. Smith, that's different. Like Stephen A. Smith been on this man. head for years. One video that he had is right after the trade.

It's funny, but it is savage. Savage. He can't play. He has small hands. He can't catch the ball. He can't move. He's nothing. Doesn't know how to play the game of basketball. He's nothing. Are you serious? Are you serious? They traded Kwame Brown. It's like it's, it's, uh, it's a thing.

Do you think, let me. ask you a question. Do you think that just before we before we leave Kwame Brown real quick, do you think that the sort of analyization, the sports talk has become too personal

that we're taking too many personal shots that everything now is a personal shot? You know, is it, do you empathize with Kwame Brown haven't been to butt up all of these jokes for years? I guess you do, right? And now he's getting his time to come back. I don't empathize with him, but what I'm saying is, should he respond, then that's fair game as well.

He's been the butt of all of the joke. Is it the brunt or the butt? It's the butt. The butt of jokes. You take the brunt of the damage and you're the butt of the joke. Okay. Okay. The butt of the joke.

He's been that for years. So if he wants to respond, then I'm for it. And I don't really, and I don't, and I'm not going to judge him for how he's responding. I'm not saying that's what I would do. I'm not going to, it's pints up for how many years, forever how many years he, when did he get drafted? 2001.

Okay, this is a 20 year issue. Yeah. For 20 years. And he's finally decided to speak. So if they can talk about him, he can talk about them. Yeah. And now he says he has a larger goal for the black community.

He wants to stop. There's just a lot of content coming out. He wants to, he wants to change the dynamic of black men being paid. by other people to to talk shit about other black men and he wants black women 20 years

he wants black women to stop fucking with rappers and guys like that that don't care about them he said this yeah he's got a whole he's black women need to do better well look I'm not gonna look I'm not gonna sum it up you guys can go watch

he's got a whole deal whole deal whole deal he's about to get some deals it's all coming podcast triller It's all coming. Because he's a good, he's a good talker. And you know what I mean? He is, but, you know,

you say stuff and you can't take you back. And now you're in a situation to where, like, man, Jack Mad. Matt is like whatever. I didn't hear what, yeah, I didn't hear what he said about Stephen Jackson. You watched a game last night, LeBron versus the Warriors? Warriors.

LeBron? Greatest blind athlete of all time. He's the best. I saw the fourth quarter. You guys. LeBron James is, LeBron James is fantastic, man. LeBron James last night got poked in his eye

or maybe even got his eye rubbed on. And he acted like he had been tortured in the fucking Spanish Inquisition. I've never seen anything like this before in my life. LeBron James, LeBron James' dedication to character was so much greater than anything that Daniel Day-Lewis has ever attempted. Not Daniel Day-Lewis.

It's LeBron James, so you get poked in the eye, right? I get acting. I get the acting, and I love LeBron. Everybody knows this. Get the reaction of the initial contact. We get that. You're trying to get the flagrant file. I got it.

LeBron James is somewhere right now with a completely healthy eye still blinking. He's talking to Savannah right now. He's got an eye patch on. He's walking around the house bumping into stuff. He's still selling it somewhere right now. He got out of character though for a second. Let me tell you something. This is why people don't like LeBron James.

He hit 34 foot three. This is why people have issues with LeBron James. They tried to convince us he couldn't see. This is why people have issues. with LeBron. He shot the ball from Downey and tried to convince us he couldn't see. I can't. I can't.

LeBron, I can't see is going to be the new, my bad. Right? That's the new like, oh, I, even today, when I was reading things and I would mess up, I was like, my bad, my bad, I see three screens. I'm mad, I need to just focus on the middle one.

I just need to focus on the middle one. My bad. I can't see. That's like, that kind of, it's, when I saw it. And it wasn't even an original line, right? I think that was the worst part. You were really selling it and you took it from a Rocky movie. You know what I'm saying? It wasn't an original. That's another thing. Like, just hit the one. I just shot the one in the middle. But that's probably where he, because I got it from a movie. He stole the line. I could spend that if I'm him, though. I could say that Rocky helped me understand how to hit the target. Let me take the one

in the middle. He gets, first of all, I can't confirm that Draymond actually even hit him in the eye. Definitely made contact with him. Definitely in the face. Hit him in face. Not sure if it was the eye. But that's what he was going with, right? The worst part is he makes the shot and he's like, I can't. And then points his eye, like, I can't even see.

He was, it was like he was trying to have his Michael Jordan flu game moment. But at the end of the game, when they were, you know, you're dapping up the other players and, you know, you're talking to him. His eyes were fine. When he's talking to Steph, he's not blinking. He's not like holding the eye. No, he did say to Steph, he said, I can't see. And then Steph goes, man, get out of here.

We know you can see. Like, did he really say that? He did. Like, both his eyes were fine. If you watched their thing, he didn't look a little for us, Whitaker. No, no, no. He looked a little for us, Whitaker, a little biggie. Like, you could say like, you could say like, what?

Is that wrong? That's wrong? What? He looked a little. Forrest Whitaker? Yeah. What you said? No.

I want no parts of that. That's not right. Forrest Whitaker got the eye thing. That's just a description of the way like he looks. Well, man, shout out to Forrest Whitaker, man. I just kidding. Shout to the Golf Father of Ireland. My bad.

Like, you know? It was okay. No, but LeBron, but look, Lakers won. It was a good game. It's just so funny. I hate he made the shot. I hate he made the shot. Man, that was a deep one, baby.

What do you think he would have said if he didn't make the shot? Right? He would have blamed it on his eye. Couldn't see. He didn't pick the one in the middle. He wasn't seeing three. He just couldn't see it all. And they said it was a lucky shot.

Why didn't he hug the wrong stuff? Why didn't he dapp up the wrong player? You know what I? He didn't bumping to nobody. Nothing. You know, Drake was there. Do you see Drake there last night? Drake was coarse side, baby.

Drake was on. Michael be. Jordan without remorse. Yeah, shout out to LeBron, man. Space Jam 2 going to be great. If the acting is that good? If the acting is that... No, the act...

No, no, no. The acting wasn't good. Did a good job to me. No, it wasn't. We all called it for what it was. The acting was not good. So if that's what Space Jam's about, still will be a fan of the original.

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Are we out of time? We got time for a little bit of Candace Owens. We always got time for. a little bit of Candice. No, because there were two people that we said we weren't going to talk about on this podcast. Oh, did we say that? One was Khan.

Yay. Kanye. We still keep talking about him. And the other is Candice, but you have something you want to say. What do you want to say? What do you want to say about her? I made it a point to be. Ignorance is not a hot take.

That's the only thing I want to say about that. Ignorance is not a hot take. That's what you want to say. That's all I want to say. So you don't, you want to just leave it? because we could leave it because I was going to bring it. Well, you know what? We already brought it up.

She said that announcing your pronouns are they, them is just poor grammar. She tweeted, I don't care your reasons. Please stop making low academic achievement a thing. It's just so you go on this whole crusade to bring down Chrissy Tegan for past tweets that she's done. And they were problematic. I'm not excusing them.

But you go on this whole thing. talk about how disgusting she is and how problematic the language that she uses in her tweets are and how dismissive she is of human beings and the fact that they're suicidal. Yet you're going to dismiss a whole group of people by not even understanding what it is to be non-binary and just dismissing it as poor grammar. Like that's why I'm like her ignorance is not a hot take and I can't stand it. I hate that we even give her the attention for it. It's true.

And you're right. We shouldn't have. And I actually do it. apologize to the audience. I can't stand her. Like what I'd say is it's like like what do you care, Candace? Like what do you care? She's trending.

That's what she cares about. I guess you're right. That's it. We got to be better. I got to be better. I got to be better. You call me out. I deserve to be called out.

No, no. No, no. I'm saying no, because your point is valid because the thing is like people want to describe themselves in a certain way and they want, they want, what do you care? It doesn't hurt you at all. I just don't understand why we do this. And when people are like, why don't you have Candace Owens come on the show,

how do you argue with that? It's just, it's the dumbest take. It is so ignorant. It ignores an entire group of people. What would I say to that? Like, I don't even want to deal with anything like that. That's the thing.

It's not logical. There's no reason behind it. It's just, she's just spewing things out for tweets, for attention to trend. That is her entire plan. Her entire platform is just to garner attention, loud and wrong. You know what our entire platform is? What?

Our entire platform is to listen to the questions from our listeners because it's... Play the song. Mailback time. Time to read your letters and then we'll reply to them. Oh, it's mailback. time write us with your queries and we'll chime in all right all right trudy come on man last time we didn't do mail bad because you didn't have shit going away it was supposed to go and now we need to do mailbag let's first question let's go let's go let's go let's go let's go y'all don't believe

man but anyways from drea jones what's the pettiest thing you've ever done and why What's the pettiest thing I ever did? Probably tagging TMZ after I won the Academy. Ooh! I was talking to someone about that the other day, because I didn't notice you did that at first. All right. I love that.

Yeah, I love that. I would say maybe, like, after a breakup, going out with that ex's friend and Snapchating it and then Snapchatting it and being like, I didn't know you would see that. Whoa. Whoa. That is next level, petty.

Why would you do something like that? I was hurt. So you went out, you went out. So you went out with the- Heart people. That's really, that's really what that comes down to. So you went out. So you went out with the friend.

It wasn't even really a date. I just made it seem like that because I knew that's what it would look like and I knew it would get back. That's a bad one, Rach. That's- Her people, hurt people. I can admit that.

I'm mature enough to say, I know, I recognize my wrongs. Did he, did the guy hit you up and go, why are you hanging out with my, one of my boy? A hundred percent. I remember I turned to my cousin and I was like, you got him. Got him. Got him.

I mean, what did you, I mean, was he. He went off. He went off. Like, why were you doing that? And I was like, he's rattled. He's rattled. He's messed up his day. He's also a lame for caring, by the way.

Who cares? Why? It was me. I'm saying, he cared, he cared. But what I'm saying, he didn't care enough to stay in a relationship. It's a pride. It's a pride. You sure right about that and that was my argument.

It's a pride. It's a pride thing, right? Just the fact that he knew him that I don't want to give details, but yeah. I don't care who. There's actually one time. There's one time that I care. We all got it in us. You want to hear a story?

Yes. So there was a girl back in Louisiana. Her name was Marquisition. Marie Rout. Why are we calling out people's names? Because they all know what's up. Okay. And, and, um, Marie Rout.

And I, like, she was, she was like, she was like, my girlfriend. But she was like the first girlfriend that I, like, took serious. And then after that, I met Paulette, who was like my first love. But me and Marie always had a thing, you know. Remember, I think I told about, I told you about this. We would play a proof. And then the girls. They were the pink ladies.

No, I just knew about playerproof. Oh, no. So the girls were the pink ladies. All right. Okay. So we were playerproof. They were the pink ladies. They named themselves after the pink ladies from Greece because we were like the T-Birds and they were like the pink ladies.

And this was Afea and Marie and Allison and Tidra. And so all of those girls, they were the pink ladies. We were player-proof. And really, it was kind of like everybody was paired up. not really but there was so much crossover in the college days between the player proof

and the pink ladies that it was like a thing we always hung out together and we're still all friends to this day everybody's happy and all married and kids and all of this but I went to Louisiana Tech University

went away from Baton Rouge with my girlfriend while I was away Marie had a little Trist with a friend of mine a member of the player proof named Bryant still my man right now. I'm still mad at you be.

Bryant Clark was his name. But you weren't with Marie. I wasn't with Marie. Okay. I wasn't with Marie. I wasn't with her at all. Man, I'll never will forget. And here's the thing. this was the thing that kind of,

it was her that told me. So this is what happened. I was, I, I, I came over to our house one day and she goes, I actually still weirdly respect her for this. I came over to our house one day.

And it was college time, so everybody was broke. And she, like, she said that she was hungry, she wanted something to eat. And I was like, I only have like three bucks left,

but I'll go around the question. corner to McDonald's and see what I can give for you. And she just looked at me. And I came back and I gave her some food and then I hung out there for the night and I left. And then she just called me and she told me. She was like, you literally went and you spent the last money that you had to get me something to eat. And she just felt bad and she told me. She had done nothing wrong.

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yes. She had done nothing wrong. And Brian had done nothing wrong, right? Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. He kind of did do something wrong, though, because he did do something wrong.

It's too close for comfort. But you said y'all were in and out. Y'all were, there was some dipping in the waters and stuff. And so, like, I remember, man, did I let this nigger have it? I was so called him up, yo, man, you're this blah, blah, blah, blah. And it was bad for a while. But then we were kids. We all got right back.

So let me not act like I never care about stuff like that. But see, after that, that was the last time. Okay. That was the one that said, that was my fucking moment. Now is like, I can stop dating you and you could go fuck with my dad. And I'm going to be like, hey, I hope you all happy. I can't care that much about anything else about who's dating somebody after. Yeah, I don't believe that.

It's very true. Okay. Well, you're also not in that situation. And I don't want you to be. So definitely not. Our next question. From Deshaun, what is one conspiracy theory that you wholeheartedly believe? Shoot, we just talked about one of them.

Do we consider UFO's conspiracy theories? Kind of, but, you know, the government's dealing with it. I have one. Okay. I don't believe we went to the moon. Why? Is it the wind thing? Is it the wind that gets you?

It's the whole globule of things. So do you not believe we went to the moon back then and what was it, 69? Or do you think that we've never been there? I don't think we've ever been. Okay. We never went back. And I think it was all the room. We never went there, apparently.

Right. We never went back even if you ever. Gotcha. Yeah. So I believe in the conspiracy that this was all the set up in the space race for us to win the Cold War with the Russians. I don't 100% believe it. But I would say I 60% believe that we never went to. to the moon. And I've actually done a little research on it and I feel okay about saying that. I don't care. It doesn't matter to me whether we went or we didn't. We didn't go.

It doesn't matter to me either. But interesting. Interesting. I don't know what I thought you would say. I 60% believe that we never went to the moon. I believe in that there's there are other things out there, which is why it's so terrifying to me. That is, that's why I'm scared because I really think it's a real possibility and I don't like admitting that. Okay, word up. Last question. Come on, Trudy. Come out with it. From B philosophical.

What animated cartoon character do you relate to the most and why? Animated cartoon character, do I relate to the most and why? Good question. Snarf from the Thundercats. Okay. You know, the Thundercats are all powerful and stuff like that. Snarf trying to live his life. Snarf, like, Thundercats all powerful, bunch of cats.

So that's you, all powerful? Okay. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Snarf, I said, listen to this. I never watched the cats, but, okay. Fucking, never mind. Snarf, so the Thunder cats are all powerful jumping around, doing all of their thing, hey, cats flying through space and all of that,

thund, thunder, then they are all so important. And then there's just snarf. There's a good old snarf, right? snarf is there snarf is serious snarf knows stuff snarf is a real thing but like it's always like

oh snarf snarf snarf snarf snarf he says stuff and then he says snarf snarf he's got a wit and he's got a he's special in a way he does things too

everything snarf does is important but people don't think it's going to be important snarf has to continuously prove himself over and over and over again to these thunder cats They think they're all perfect. They think they got it all figured out.

They think they know what's going on. Lion's going out for his Destiny, Panthers, fucking black, like Chautara, Tigger, all of it. They're all doing all of these things, Wiley Kit, Wiley Cat. They think that they're so important, but they don't know how much they need snarf, snarf, snarf. Snarf is the one that should be paid attention to.

Snarf, snarf is the heart of the group, but no one can see it. The fucking answer is snarf. Okay, wow. Y'all know that this is a little bit of a difficult one for me. I guess off the top of my head, I would say Lola Bunny. Because she's a tomb boy, Tom girl, however you want to say it. People underestimate her, but the moment they try her, she lets them know what's up.

She's in a male-dominated space, but she can hold her own. You know what I'm saying? And she's cute. There you go. There you go. me. Lola Bunny is dope. That's like, that's actually a, that's actually a dope one. That's actually dope.

I was going to say Garfield for you. Garfield. Lazzania. You know what I mean? I don't even like cheese. So why the fuck would you say that? You don't like, you don't like cheese? That's why I never knew that.

All right. No, no, no, no, no, no. Why Garfield? Garfield, he's a, he's a cat. You know what I mean? He's like, he hangs out. He's a cat. He's a cat.

You know, he's a cat. He's, he's a, he's very... Are you a little grumpy and sarcastic? A little bit. A little bit. A little bit. He's grumpy. A little bit.

A little bit. The kind of guy that would... What are you trying to say? The kind of guy that would... That you wouldn't invite to the party. That would send a man to the soup kitchen. You know what I mean? Have a man out there looking for another job?

Chris Harrison. All right. Have we heard from Chris Harrison? No, I have not. No, I have not. No, I have not. No, no I'm not. Is he okay?

Have you reached out? I'm sure he is. Have you reached out? I have not. I have not. How about this? Let's do something right now. Neither has he. Can we let's do something right now.

This will be great. Why don't you leave that man alone? He obviously does not want to be bothered. Rachel, this would be great. Let's text Chris Harrison live on higher learning right now. Great for who? I dare you right now to just text Chris Harrison. I've never been one for dares.

Never been one for dares. What's up? Bighead. Hey, Big Head. He would probably really be offended. Wouldn't I get that that's all love? You'd be like, hey, big head, he'll hit you back. Like, I've been thinking the long and hard about the situation of people in America. And what if I just said, oops, wrong person.

Oops, wrong person. Wrong person. Wrong window. Hope you're all right, bro. Make sure to get your EDD claim in this week. All right. Do you have an unexpected out of life? No.

I don't do you have an unexpected ally this week. I do not have an unexpected ally this week. It was very difficult. Did not have an unexpected ally this week at all. Okay. You guys, very special situation coming up next week. It is the one year anniversary on May the 28th of the higher learning podcast.

And why? We are one year old. We are just a little bit older than Bozeman. It is amazing. That's going to be next Friday's podcast. We want you guys to help us celebrate our one year anniversary in two ways. Number one, a special edition of mailback, we want the Thought Warriors to record their questions using voice memos.

We want to hear your voices, okay? Send the voice memo to Higher Learning Ringer at gmail.com. Higher learning ringer at gmail.com, okay? If you want to be featured in an anniversary episode, send your voices to that. All right. We also want you guys, hashtag Thought Warriors record a video. saying what higher learning means to them or what they've enjoyed the most about the podcast over the year. You submit that video to the same address higher learning ringer at gmail.com.

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I go there all the time. I spend a lot of time there. Do you? I feel like I'm missing out. I need to come in. I'm clapping back. People never know when I'm lurking. They never know.

Hey, Van did this. Oh, really? Baha, blah, blah. It's fun. They're fun. They're having a lot of thought-provoking conversations. And that's what we want from thought warriors. Oh, hold on.

Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. I just got a message. It just came to me live from our thought warriors. It's from Lonely dash AD-6149. And it's a reply on a on a post that I posted like a week ago about the Michael Rapaport podcast. Come on, Lonely Warrior 69. All right. I'm out. Rachel, you got anything else? Nope. Nope. Nothing else. Take the thing caps off, but do not stop learning. I am Van Lathen. And I'm Rachel Lindsay. We are out.

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