Higher Learning with Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay - Van Jones’s Very Bad Joke, Ayesha Curry’s Admission, and Diddy’s Sentencing

Episode Date: October 7, 2025

Van and Rachel react to a strange weekend of football before discussing Van Jones’s “dead Gaza baby” joke, Diddy’s sentencing, and Ayesha Curry’s comments on motherhood and marriage. (0:00)  Intro (8:21)  Mark Sanchez’s stabbing & arrest (16:30)  Kyren Lacy update (31:09)  Van Jones apologizes for joke (48:19)  Diddy sentenced (1:03:32)  Ayesha Curry’s admission (1:45:58)  Theo Von & Adin Ross on Trump (2:08:31)  Taylor Swift’s new album (2:21:13)  “Love is Blind”  Hosts: Van Lathan Jr. and Rachel Lindsay Producer: Donnie Beacham Jr. and Ashleigh Smith  Video Supervision: Chris Thomas Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Yo, yeah, yo, thought warriors. What is up? High Learning is on and is I Van Lazyton Jr.? And it's me, Rachel and Lindsay. Like, comment, subscribe on YouTube. Do it. It's been growing, but you know what? We got to do the YouTube different.

We got to put smart. We have to build out the YouTube. We got to build it out. It's been a slow burn, but, you know, it's still progress. It's still progress. Smoldering. We need, the podcast is, I don't know if you guys have been looking at the charts. The podcast is trending upward, yet the YouTube is still,

dragging behind because we need to get in more algorithms on YouTube. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We got to put out shorter clips, segments, all the things.

You know who needs to get better as well? Texas football. Is that where we're going? Yeah. I mean, what can I say to defend my team?

I mean, it's pretty obvious. I think it's, I think when the, when the season started, I can admit this. Nobody thought we should be number one. Right?

And, but it was a lot of hype. It was an excitement. It was exciting because it was Ohio State and Texas playing. So like the rankings, it added to the draw of the game. We quickly learned Arch is not what we thought he was. And since then, we've continued to learn that against, I mean, Florida wasn't ranked. If you guys didn't watch Texas lost to Florida and it really just revealed who we are. You put so much faith in the rankings.

You always say team so-and-so wasn't ranked. Well, I mean, do we not? Do we not? I mean, you have the college football show. Go ahead, plug. Ring or tailgate. Ring or tailgate. I mean, I think that as anybody who watches college football, you do.

Like, for me, for example, when I'm looking at the schedule for the weekend, I'm like, oh, this ranked team versus this rank team, this is a game I'm interested in watching, as opposed to, uh, this, like, I don't want to watch two unranked things unless I have some kind of tie or allegiance to the team. So I like when I see, oh, it's a Saturday night football game, this team versus this team, they're both ranked. Let's see what they can do. It should be a good game.

Is that not an indicator? Well, this was going to be a tough game for Texas, ranked on it. It was in the swamp. Yeah. It was an SEC team. We knew all those things. I still thought we would win. I wasn't like, oh, we're number nine.

We're going to blow them out. But I didn't expect to see Arch play the way that he did. I know we're coming off of playing unranked teams. Here I go again, but just teams that aren't as good, like strong conferences. Not that I put so much weight on that, but at the same time, I just thought, okay, he's got, this is his fifth game, got five games coming in. He's a little bit more comfortable. His decision making should be a little bit better, a little bit more accurate. The nerves should have worn off a little bit.

He should be a little confident playing some lesser, like, teams that aren't as great. That's just what I expected. And he looked frazzled. He looked not like a starting quarterback of a top team. He did, it just, and you know what was the, did you watch the game? Yes. The biggest indicator to me, and I know it was only one play. But when Matthew Codwell came in, Caldwell, sorry, came in, one play, the way he threw the ball, the accuracy of it, a lot of, a lot of Arches' balls were like wobbly in the air.

26 yards, one for one, and was out. You know who I call? Quincy Avery. And he said, you're calling me because you just saw a quarterback. You saw what quarterback it looks like. What it's supposed to look like. So what was the spread of that game? I think Donnie looked that up.

I think the spread of the game was six, right? In Texas's favor? Probably. Well, I don't know. Donnie, look up. What was the spread of the game? I know that there were a lot of people, not a lot of people, but there were some significant voices that were picking Florida to win the game.

And the reason... Texas was a 4.5 favorite. Okay, so Texas was a 4.5 favorite, right? That's like... Not that much. I mean, that's not very much, but you also have to think that, you know, Florida is getting some points for being a home or whatever. But there were a lot of people in college football that were picking,

not a lot, but some prominent voices picked Florida to win the game, and it was because of a couple of things. Number one, the Florida defense is actually really good. Yeah, they were good. Florida had not committed to running the ball. So people were wondering why didn't they run the ball against LSU? Why didn't they commit to running the ball against even Miami where they were having some success on the ground?

Florida defense held Miami in check for almost the entire game. I think it was a one score game deep into the fourth quarter and the damn kind of burst. Also, yeah, they made our O line look terrible. Right, because they have actual dogs on the defensive line, guys who could really play. Florida has all kinds of problems, and those problems really come from the coaching in the scheme.

But they got guys. Texas has not been able to compete with anybody who has guys. Those other teams that they were playing, it wasn't so much that even that they were unranked. It was that they weren't power four teams and did I have the caliber of athlete that could even stand up to what Texas can put on the field. I will also say, though, even when we played Ohio State, though, it was a close game and our defense looked incredible.

So it still was like, all right, we just got to beef up the offense a little bit. Arts has got to be a little bit more comfortable and we can we can. But why did your defense look good though? Are you trying to say Ohio State's offense isn't great? No. Well, first of all, Ohio State has saying who is a quarterback, Ohio State's offense cannot be great right now because their quarterback isn't operating with the whole playbook because he's like a first time starter. So in that game, after the game they talked to Ryan Day and Ryan Day goes,

you know, we didn't ask them to do very much. We probably could have asked them to do more. That tells you that they're handcuffing the playbook and they're actually only calling the plays against Texas that they feel comfortable in calling. They're not even taking chances. They're not even opening it up because they don't know what they have. So the Texas defense, which has players on it, don't get me wrong,

was in a situation to play a close game against Ohio State because Ohio State was not at all going to be aggressive with the way they went out and played the game. And what we've seen since then is that when you put a team on the field, I'm not not, the Texas defense has a lot of players on it. I'm not hating on them. I'm just saying that like, this is a game where they needed to step up and get stops and they couldn't do it.

So I would say that this is very interesting. I don't know how big the college football contingent of Thought Warriors is, but this is interesting about how a team is perceived and how a player is perceived based upon absolutely fucking nothing. thing and then how that team and that player actually plays. Well, he was perceived off of things that didn't have to do with his actually playing football.

It was the name. It was the height. Right. Nothing. So. Nothing. But also Florida got their wide receiver back, which I just don't, I mean,

he had coming off entry, Dallas Wilson. Yeah. Like he, like they, they, um, I'll tell you this, though, there's still stuff to play for. There's still, I mean, Texas could still, it's not over.

We got OU this. We can. Let me tell you who's not going to be in Dallas. What? You're not going to be in Dallas? I'm not going back for it. Well, look, you got to go. You can't not.

You got to go. It's just a lot of money to fly back to Dallas. And it's just, you know, I, I mean, I still love Texas. I mean, obviously, I still support the Cowboys after all these years. You know, I still love my team, but I just think we just have to have a realistic conversation about the Texas Longhorns. By the way, this is a game that Texas can win. John Matier, the Oklahoma quarterback.

I don't know what his status is. He had not played in a couple of games. And even when he comes back, he's going to be coming off of a hand injury. They might be compromised on offense. Was it the wide receiver from OU that ran into that brick wall? No, was it the wide receiver from OU? Was that OU?

It was OU, but I don't know if it was somebody from their team or somebody from an opposing team. I didn't look at the play. That's a game that I did miss. But it's a winnable game for Texas. We'll see how Texas looks in the actual game. For adults with Crohn's disease or ulcerative colitis symptoms, every choice matters. Tramphia offers self-injection or intravenous infusion from the start.

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Mark Sanchez, was arrested after he was stabbed during a confrontation with a 69-year-old truck driver outside of his Indianapolis downtown hotel. He was charged with battery resulting in injury, unlawful entry of a motor vehicle and public intoxication. The police report says that the driver was parked in a loading dock at the Western Hotel. He was there to recycle the hotel's frying oil. Sanchez confronted the driver at the loading dock saying he didn't have permission to be there

and that the hotel didn't want its friar oil replaced. So then the driver who did not have. his hearing aids in at the time was confused. So Sanchez, he needed to call his manager and that he told police that Sanchez smelled of alcohol and that his speech was slurred. So Sanchez tried to get into the truck cab. He blocked the driver from getting his phone. The man who said he was fearing that he was in danger, pepper sprayed Mark Sanchez.

Mark Sanchez apparently wiped his face and continued coming at the driver in which the driver in which the driver then stabbed him. And police arrived a little bit later and took them both to separate hospitals. What the fuck? Did I ever tell you this story? No. You haven't. Whatever it is, you haven't told me.

I never told you the story of when my dad saw the guy and this girl tussling. I don't think so. Donnie, I've told this story. It doesn't ring a bill. I'll retell it. I've told this story. Well, just tell it. Just tell it again.

In the piggly wiggly. Oh, yes, yes, yes. So let me tell you why I'm telling this story. Yes. There's an age. This guy is 69 years old. 69. But that means that he was born 55 or 56, right?

Something like that. There's an age. There's a time limit to the fair one. The guys that come from that generation, especially like a truck driver type guy, they're going to warn you, they're going to spray you, and then out comes the weapon.

The rough men from that era, boomers. They go into the weapon. And this was the thing with my dad. My dad would fight with you physically and tussle with you. But he had the Col Python. And he would let you know that at certain point, if you don't calm the fuck down,

you are dealing with the Colpith. That's the point of no return. He would say, hey, man, hey, hey, look. And he would let you know that the Co-Python was there. I don't know what the fuck Mark Sanchez was on. He was out of his mind. He was going crazy. So it has been reported that he has no recollection of the incident.

Of course he doesn't. So that tells you right there. We don't know, I mean, obviously he smelled like alcohol. We don't know what level. We don't know if it was mixing with other stuff. But when the story first came out, it was, oh my gosh, something happened to Mark Sanchez. He was stabbed as if he was attacked.

Then as the story kept them. People were like, this was a deranged nigger that basically. That exists because Indianapolis is so dangerous. kick for that amazing first reporting. Yeah, appreciate you guys. That was great. Yeah, this is a deranged blick, blick penta that has gone crazy on Mark Sanchez. And how unsafe downtown Indianapolis is in the streets of Indianapolis because of black people,

fatherless black people was really what they were talking. This is real, guys. This was real reporting. This is real reporting. Meanwhile, it's Mark Sanchez on a goddamn rampage against an elderly American citizen. Who's at work, who, I mean, I don't know if you've seen the picture. of this truck driver, but he's like beat up. I mean, there's like blood, he's got a neck brace.

I'm standing up for the elderly. The elderly should not have to fight for their social security and fight Mark Sanchez. I'm standing up for them. Can you imagine, wait, Marks, Mark Sanchez is no recollection of it. Like, can you, Mark Sanchez attack this man, gets stabbed, goes to the hospital, wakes up, they're telling him what happened as they're putting hand, he's released, putting handcuffs on him and booking him for jail.

Look, I'm trying to tell you, I'm trying to tell you guys something here. If you're going to pop some shit with a stranger, there's a sweet spot age. That age is from 35 to 50. Because from 35 to 50, you consider all kinds of things. If you younger sometimes, then you haven't really understood what's going on yet. If you, if you pop some shit with a super young guy, you might go straight to it. when it gets older, they both have seen two.

The young people haven't seen enough to care. The old people has seen too much. I'm telling you, these elderly people, they're going straight for the pig sticker. They're going straight for the weapon. They're going to poke you. They're going to shoot you. They're going to spray you.

And that's what this man did. You think he's going to get to keep his job? Who does guy? Mark Sanchez. Oh, probably so. Probably so. Me interesting. Fox Sports.

He probably will. He'll probably come out. He's got to go to rehab. He's got to go to rehab. He's got to talk about the whole nine. But if this was Ryan Clark... An apology? Oh, yeah.

If this was Ryan Clark or one of the other voices that we see, this would be, boy, I tell you what, this would be painted in such a way. Look at the thug that never escapes the skin of the blick. Look at what the blicks have. to offer America. Ryan Sanchez, fucking with this man. Going up there

acting like a male Karen. No, that's 100% what he did. Yeah, acting like a Karen. This man is doing his job. He's trying to deliver the oil. 12.30 in the morning,

recycling hotels frying oil. So he just belligerently came around the corner or out the back and decided to... Mark Sanchez was trying to fuck up the mozzarella sticks for the hotel people for the whole day.

Use the frying oil. But they were recycling it out And this guy probably has more I don't know what the fuck is going on You ever been to Indianapolis? I don't think so It's like an empty downtown So I can just imagine how this

Like nobody was on the street It's like it is a ghost town at night Was it true that Mark Sanchez was doing Wind Sprints before this Donnie? Did you see that report? Did that come from Outkick as well? I'm not sure but it said that He was doing wind sprints in the parking lot.

I mean, he won't, he can't, he won't, you see it on it? Yeah. From where? Wait, I got to look it up. New York Post Daily Voice. Is there a video? He was doing wind sprints and he was all jacked up on something and then he went crazy. They got this man's okay, but my God, wind sprints.

Yeah. Thank God who's okay. The elderly. The elderly man, yeah. Mark, I guess I don't want nothing bad to happen to Mark, but whatever would have But he wasn't the aggressors. Yeah. That's my point.

Doing wind sprints in the alley. So maybe the truck was in his way. He was trying to do windsprits. That's probably what happened. He was doing windsprints. The truck was in his way. He confronted the truck and said, what are you doing here? I'm Mark Sanchez.

Have you ever been that drunk to I'm running wind sprints starting fights drunk? I've blacked out. Yeah, you blacked out before. So I don't know if I was doing wind sprints, but I'm sure. I don't know. You never blacked out? I think one time. I think one time, but I'm not, I don't typically get, I have a moment of panic when I'm starting to get too drunk.

That makes sense. I, I didn't realize Bacardi 151 was what it is. It's in college. So, you know, I thought it was like a regular dark liquor drink and that's what happened. You know, this next story is very difficult for me. We covered it on ring or tailgate on Saturday. but I have to take some time for it. We covered it here on the show when Karen Lacey had passed away.

And I'll say this really quickly. When Karen Lacey passed away, there was a thought from a lot of people, including myself, that in some sort of way, him passing away or taking his own life, was him not being able to deal with all of the people. pain and the pressure from what had happened. Sure. And for a lot of people, maybe that felt like in a way that was an admission that he was riddled with guilt over what had happened, over what he had been accused of, and that he had taken his own life because he wasn't, he was being looked at as a pariah in society

and he couldn't deal with it. Matt Ory, who is Karen Lacey's lawyer, released evidence, hard-heeding evidence about the role that Conn Lacey played in the crash, fatal car crash, where he had been charged with and accused of

negligence in vehicular homicide. When you look at two pieces of evidence specifically, one piece of evidence is where Karen Lacey was his green charger when the car that was involved in the fatal accident actually crashed, Karen Lacey was way behind and where Karen and Lacey would have been and how long he'd have been returned to regular traffic in the situation maybe. What I mean is this.

The lawyer makes two points. One, where Karen Lacey was when the car actually crashed. Two, how long Karen Lacey had been traveling normally when that happened? because the allegation is that he was driving crazily and that his driving crazily made somebody else where that crash it was kind of lacy's fault carolacey had passed people earlier on north but he had been driving regularly in his lane

for a long time by the time this thing happened the evidence about his role in the crash is one thing that's one thing that's one part of it right the other part of it is the biosephi cam from the police officer. Donnie, I need this police officer's name. I want to say his name every time. The body cam from the police officer

when he is doing his investigation into the crash. He hands a paper to someone who had witnessed it. And he says, the green charger, remember to write down what I'm telling you right now. Actually, Donnie, play it. Play it. We'll come back to it.

Play what the police officer says. said when he's talking to a witness of the crash. So, um, look, don't worry about filling any of this type of information, like your name, Adjord. Don't worry about any of that. Just right here, if you could, I'll just have you write exactly what you saw. Just make sure to include, you know, where you were. I don't even know what they're name on there at highway. So, Highway 20. Highway 20. Um, you know, that you just... All right. Me and my wife going to clear that right.

Okay, just make sure you add in there that, uh, you had to slam on your brakes and the brakes like, you know, you had to slam on the brakes to avoid that charger and the brakes locked up to avoid that charger. That's... Man, excuse my, that's what I was going to go on for me. That lady in the back of me. She didn't show what happened. That's how she called that record. She was running in the back of me and she pulled on the other side.

So, but the charger was coming right at you, correct? And that's why you had to slam when you break the head on with you. So, yeah, just make sure you include that. And that's very important because we're trying to locate this charger right now. So just include that in the statement. And I read it over and then I'll be out of here. Can I ask you a question? I know that he wasn't going to trial a couple of days before he took his own life.

It was in front of a grand jury where they were deciding if they were going to. Did he have this information before? I don't think so. I think that. But I know he said he was confident that he could get Kairn off and that he wouldn't even been indicted. I know he said that. but I don't know.

My question, I guess, was did he have this? Matt Ory, who is a hero now, and as far as I'm concerned, has never wavered. He actually said something at Carnar's funeral. If we play it or if I hear it, I'm going to start crying, so I don't even want to do it. I don't know what's going on with me right now.

They played the greatest love of all in Spotify, and I had to go to the bathroom. I'm overwhelmed. I don't know what's happening. This is a lot going on. And so, like, it was literally the biggest pussy moment of my life. Like, I'm sitting down there

and I'm getting ready for the show and they start playing the greatest love of all and I'm like, all right, it's cool. Sometimes you just need a cry. And then it keeps going and I'm like, I start thinking about Whitney. I start thinking about loving your,

it's about to happen right now. And did I have to go into the bathroom and just have a moment? So I don't want to get into the whole thing and get super emotional and it happened on the show. But he basically made a promise to hit that he was going to

clear his name and he wouldn't give up. Right. And the strength and the wherewithal and the focus that he has showed to make sure that people don't get the wrong idea about Karen Lacey is, it's amazing. Back to the point here. You know, we talked about it a little bit when Karen passed away about how these athletes are human beings and how these young men and women, they're people, they're human beings. and how we should remember that there are young people figuring out their lives and that mistakes will happen, that some of those mistakes will be more severe than others, but that there are people. Just kind of Lacey's personhood throughout this entire thing was disregarded in a way that I know we should not be surprised at. But this was a bunch of bullshit.

This was a bunch of bullshit. The way it was responded to was a bunch of bullshit. The way the cops looked into it was a bunch of bullshit. You hear that police officer right there treating Karen Lacey like a nail to his hammer. And at some point, I mean, this is affecting the fan base of LSU football. It's affecting the community of South Louisiana. It's affecting all the people who loved Kairn Lacey. but this case right here

the consequences need to be swift and long lasting here there has got to be a change there has got to be some sort of ramifications

for how this was handled he's gone he's passed away he is no longer with us and it totally could have been avoided absolutely and I think what what really sad

me. I mean, there's so many sad things about this. This is absolutely tragic. But what I guess the part that I keep thinking about is that he felt, Kyron Lacey felt so hopeless. And it's not because, just because he thought, I'm going to go to trial and I might be indicted. It's because he already knew his innocence. He knew that he was nowhere near it. But he also witnessed a witness statement that lied on him. He witnessed a police officer that lied on him. And he felt so hopeless, like, how am I ever going to get past this when people are lying on me about what actually happened? There's that. Then there was, no one's going to believe me, what social media was saying, what the media was saying about him. And this kid felt so hopeless because a system had turned on him.

somebody who takes a sworn, makes a sworn statement to protect individuals, to protect citizens, to protect the people, lied on him. And he felt like he had nowhere to go. And he ended his life. That is, it's like, because I remember when we talked about it and it was like, we talked about it. Obviously, he felt hopeless. But there was more to it. He felt hopeless because the very person that swears to serve and protect him was lying on him.

out for him. So what, why would he think it would be any different for a jury? Why would he think he would be any different for a prosecutor or the police who had to testify or the witness? He felt like he had nothing. And that is what could have been avoided and what makes it even more sad to me. So the officer's name is Tyler Werner. And we should talk about this from two standpoint. One standpoint is what, what black people in America, sometimes are asked to endure. I guess it's a thought that the nature of our existence in America calluses us over to the point to where we don't feel or we don't break or we can't be

overwhelmed. We talk about this with black women, how the strength of black women is something that we have to respect, that I respect, I respect what the strength I see from my mother and from my sister and from you from Kalika, I respect that strength. I do respect it. At the same time, I have to make sure that I don't let that mutate

into a thought that goes, oh, she can take it. You can put her in the position because she's going to figure it out. The how does she do it all sort of mythology that exists around it? And we never ask, should she have to? And that's the same question I'm going to ask to all kinds of people who think that there's not a vulnerability that exists with young black people, with black people, period, to where sometimes it gets too much for us to bear.

And you sometimes don't see it because black women are looked at as these creatures who are leather tough and can take anything. and black men are looked at as these superhuman beasts of burden that you can beat on, beat on, beat on, beat on, beat on, and they will survive. This is not true. We see it all the time. We know when people are turning to drugs and alcohol. We know when people are turning to anger.

We know when people are turning to over-sexualized versions of themselves. We know when they're coping. We can tell. But sometimes you just can't cope. Sometimes it's too much. and the people that are supposed to keep it from getting there are like you said, public servants entrusted with fairness, accuracy,

and prioritizing the rights of an American citizen. And this Tyler Warner, this demon, this mutant, didn't do that. Didn't do that. Once again, if we come back to policing, if we come back to policing and we're talking about what police are supposed to do, like, think, of the monumental failure here. And think about failures like this all over the place.

Right. That we have no idea about. Tyler Werner has blood on his hands. And I haven't seen an update on how they plan to handle this. But also, like, he, who had the footage? You know what I mean? Like this footage that took so long to come out. Well, theoretically, it would have all come out in trial.

And by the way, once again, Matt Ory, when I went back and looked at all, every time he talked, he was like, guys, I'm telling you. Yeah. I have this figured out. This is not the way it is being reported or perceived by people. Right away, it got sent there and the joke started. It's the opposite of the Mark Sanchez situation. When Mark Sanchez, it was reported that there was some type of physical. altercation that had been that had happened in downtown indianapolis it immediately was then given

to what america thinks it's perfect criminal is which is the young black fatherless blick of of indianapolis in this situation they took this young man and went hey here's another one that we thought was okay because he entertained us but he actually wasn't okay yeah and it cost a veteran his life that's the other part of of being black that when you talk about what they expect from us It's we laugh through our pain. We dance through it. We joke through it. And they don't focus on the fact that like we're actually hurting.

We're actually human beings behind all that. That is a coping mechanism as well. It's really sad. Yeah. Well, there is definitely time. And I saw some of the, the tributes that were pouring out. And those tributes are, they're well understood. And they're very timely and they're moving.

it's also time in this point to make somebody pay. Yeah. And so to the family and the friends of Karen Lacey and to everyone down there in the community in my home state that is morning and thinking about it, that is very true. But there's got to be some type of activation now and some sort of change or thought. of change to where we can hold power more readily accountable when things like this happen. And that we owe the next generation of athletes, the Karen Lacey's that are out there right now. We owe the young black men and women of South Louisiana of America.

We owe them protection. We owe that to them. So we got to get activated. We got to figure that out. There's a lot of people who are myself, they're figuring out like what it will happen now. Who's going to take this cause up and making it something that we can build on it. But rest and peace of Karen Lacey,

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I think it's a joke that people are getting their rocks off in laughter in Van Jonesness, Van Lathen. I think people are saying, hey, fuck at Van Lathen just to get a rise out of me. I'm going to stop responding to that shit. Donnie, get to it. All right. Van Jones was on real-time with Bill Maher last week, and he had this to eventually apologize for. Isn't part of that because we had to fold everything into critical race theory? And somehow the Middle East became part of, you know...

I see it differently. And I love this conversation because I think people, those of us who went to college, give a lot more credit to college courses for how the world works than I do. This is not about critical race theory on college campus. This is about Iran. Iran and Qatar have come up with a disinformation campaign that they are running through TikTok and Instagram that is massive. If you are a young person, you open up your phone

and all you see is dead Gaza baby, dead Gaza baby, dead guys a baby, Diddy, dead Gaza baby, dead guys a baby. That's basically, that's not DEI. That is a geopolitical adversary that is that is deli. deliberately trying to divide the West against itself. Okay, so Van Jones got his ass kicked for that. Then he apologized. This is basically apology.

I made a comment on real time with Bill Maher about the war in Gaza that was insensitive and hurtful. I apologize. The suffering of the people of Gaza, especially the children, is not a punchline. I'm deeply sorry it came across that way. What's happening to children in Gaza's heartbreaking. As a father, I can't begin to imagine the pain their parents are enduring, unable to protect their kids from unimaginable harm. I'm praying and working for an immediate end to the

war for peace and safety. For every family caught in its path. I'm truly sorry for the pain. My words caused to people who are already suffering more than anyone should. Rachel Apology rating. Zero. That should have come before. Finchon knows better.

He knows better. I don't like Van Jones. I don't. And I'm serious. And I've really, I was really sitting with this. I don't. I don't. I don't.

I don't know why that's funny to you. I mean, not like he cares. He doesn't care if I like him or not, but I don't. It needs to be said. It needs to be said. Wait. Wait. I hope everyone listening and watching

can appreciate the comedy of Rachel coming to terms with him. I'm not coming to terms with it. I just spoke about him before. But I don't. No, man is just, man's emotional today. Wait a minute. No, what it?

That's funny. I don't. I don't like Van Jones. It needs to be said. All right. Okay. We just recently talked about him. Why don't you?

Because I don't like people who, I see what has happened to Van Jones. And we touched on this before because you've said it, right? We don't want to ignore necessarily what. the Van Jones of the 90s, right? When Van Jones came on the scene, he was an attorney, an activist, he had the dreads. You know, he was rallying people together

to fight poverty, to bring jobs, to impoverished neighborhoods. He was tapping in with rappers and other celebrities to really try to bring awareness to these things. It's how he got involved in the Obama administration. And then what happened? He had to resign, right? because he was tied to radical left groups.

He had made comments about 9-11 that the Bush administration could have prevented it or allowed it to happen. He made other derogatory comments about Republicans. And so he left the administration. And I feel like what's happening with Van Jones is ever since that time, it feels like an overcorrection. He feels like he, I feel like he,

I feel like he is trying to overcorrect for what happened to him. And I watch, I watch, I encourage you guys to watch this moment where he does the quote of the Dead Gaza baby, dead Gaza baby, puts his finger in the air, smiles, bright-eyed and says, Diddy, waits for the laughter and applause, and then continues. Clearly, he practiced that. And what I feel like with Van Jones is he has become intoxicated by the bright lights, by the camera, by the media, by the stage, by the attention of it all. Because I'm trying to find the through line here.

So I feel like it's the overcorrection of what happened before, which is why we see him cozy up to certain people like the Trump administration, make certain comments, make excuses for certain people. And at the end of the day, I feel like he centers himself through all of it. I said this last time was the intention behind coming out with the Charlie Kirk DM. Why was he making this comment? not just saying the dead gaza baby, but also talking about the disinformation related to that,

which is what led up to him saying this, because he has a monologue or a response before about it before he even gets to this moment, which is viral. But yet he does not talk about BB Netanyahu and how he talks about social media and how he wants to use it as a weapon for the right. He doesn't talk about that and how they want to use social media for certain things, but he does talk.

about it on the other end of it and dismisses not just a humanitarian crisis, not just a genocide, but also makes a joke about sexual assault victims by doing that with Diddy. And I just feel like he is so obsessed with being adjacent to fame and celebrity and the attention of it all that he has lost himself in all of this. And that's why we continue I'm not going to say continue to be disappointed because I'm not really disappointed because I don't like Van Jones. But I think why he continues to make headlines and is on the wrong side of things because his focus seems to be elsewhere rather than to where he started in the 90s. I'm not saying he still doesn't do good stuff. But that to me was the centerpiece of what he represented.

And now he seems to have drifted away from that because he's caught up in the sweet nectar of it all. Okay, you know what struck me about this? Is Van Jones being criticized for a lack of compassion? Van Jones is normally criticized for having too much compassion. For the other side. Right. Van Jones is normally criticized for his compassion. Normally he's criticized for shedding tears for Donald Trump or shedding

for the riot or for it just he's criticized for being a figure that is that shows compassion to things that are harmful to a certain cohort of people for wanting to put his arms around a certain politic he's normally criticized for that it's interesting that his compassion ends with Palestine. And I want everyone to understand how profound that is. That that compassion, the fogging up of the glasses,

the look, see this in this person. This, it ends with Palestine. And everyone sit and think about that. Think about how compassion and the idea of compassion has been colonized particularly in this issue. Think about how the idea of this

is people intense throwing rocks at the civilized people and their babies, their children are either a part of the joke. Think about why in this situation, not just him, but an audience could laugh at that. And he knew it.

An audience could laugh at that. He knew that joke would kill. He knew that the audience would laugh at that. The audience, think about which parts of the world, which conflicts, which struggles, has mainstream media, the manufacturing of consent to it, to ideas. Which parts have the people told you that these are the human beings over here and these are the subhuman people over here? And I want you to also think about how that lack of compassion relates to you, relates to black people here in this country. Legitimately, the entire idea of picking winners and losers in society can be boiled down to who you are supposed to have compassion for. Who is supposed to be able to make mistakes?

Whose life matters? Whose life is worth fighting for? whose rights are worth you feeling uncomfortable for? Whose rights is worth that? Right. And Van Jones, a character who is associated with this compassion, this feeling, this let me give you the important moment of this. Let's talk about this so you understand exactly why this person is calling you a nigger.

Let's think about them. let's do this person takes a situation where children are being dismembered and makes it into a joke. I want to say something else to you guys about that. The idea that children are being killed in Gaza isn't propaganda. Exactly. If Van Jones wanted that joke to be accurate, he'd have had to say dead Gaza baby about 19,000 times. because that is the amount of children conservatively

that have been killed. So the next time somebody's going to use that joke to kill in front of the audience, make sure you say it 19,000 times. And the idea itself that reporting on dead children is a propaganda war, look, I can't get deep into the guts of how allegory rhythm works. I'm not even going to tell you guys that I don't even talking about what Qatar or Iran or any of these places. I'm not talking about any of that. What I'm telling you is that children are dying. And it's a fact. And if you have to see the deaths of the children

for you to understand that there's something that needs to be done for that to stop, then I'm sorry to inconvenience you, but that's what has to happen. And that is with any conflict, any conflict, anyone, particularly the one where you're footing the bill for it, but any conflict, if you have to get the ugly side of it for you to understand that something needs to be done, then them's the grapes, sour or sweet. But when I saw this, I was like, wow, like this is coming from the open mind, open heart guy. Why is it different now? It's different because over the course of.

of this entire issue, the issue being the plight for freedom and self-determination of the Palestinian people. This has been framed as human beings versus terrorist, monsters, and animals. It has not been framed by the plight of a displaced people, by the plight of a people that have been exiled from the place that they knew about the plight of a people that live. in an apartheid occupation, it hasn't been framed as power versus those who don't have it. It's never been framed that way.

It's never been looked at that way. So the reason why he didn't have any compassion is because you don't have compassion for the villains. And when media, when conversation has been used for a couple of generations now to frame one group of people as the villains, you can laugh at the deaths of their children.

I just want you all to peep it. I want you to clock it. I want you out to clock this because this is the same way they talk about your children. This is the same way they talked about Trayvon Martin and Tamir Rice and Mike Brown and and and and and and and and and

did something to deserve it. Had to be. I had to couldn't have been. These are the people that we're supposed to to grow and cultivate into our criminals. These are the people that press our license plates in the jails. These are the people that we need to work on the side of the interstate in jumpsuits. There's no possible way. That one right there should have lived and went on and become a father and a dancer, become whatever the fuck they want to become. There's no way

like they died. Well, I'm letting you know that that's the person you don't have to feel sorry for. That's why Ben Shapiro, who Ezra Klein and the rest of these people are trotting around as if he's somebody to talk to, he can make fun of Trayvon Martin on Trayvon Martin's birthday, and then he can be treated like he's not a vile, demonic goon. He can fuck with you in that way because there's a group of people that you're not supposed to have compassion for. There's a group of people that your compassion is worthless and not used right on. There's a group of people that it doesn't matter when their children die. And look, you can decide to accept the apology of Van Jones.

You can decide to accept it or not accept it. That's up to you. I'm not going to tell you what to do. He said, sorry. That's for everyone to make up. But what it is interesting is that someone in this particular situation that is so connected to, I feel for you, to his whole brand, in this moment he didn't.

nobody has to be perfect everyone is flawed but i urge people to look at the story here the story of the Palestinian people and the social and intellectual engineering that goes into creating the story of who the villain and who the thing that you don't have to care about is that's what jumped out i was like oh like i could have seen if this was i was like look at that No, not a tear or shed. Huh. Because his compassion is related to, I'm sorry, I know you keep separating it from him and I commend you for that. And I keep bringing it back to Van Joe's.

Prosecutor. I just feel like a person like, and he's not alone, right? But I think that his compassion is how he gets away, I think, with or how he thought he could get away with something like this. somebody who sits in a seat and has a microphone like a banjoans is very dangerous. Because this apology, what he wrote on social media would not have come out had he not been it turned against him. Again, at the end of the day, it's all about how it benefits him. To me, what I have seen as over the last few years, his compassion is related to how it benefits him. So I wasn't shocked to see him say something like this.

I think maybe I was surprised at how he said it but I wasn't shocked by it because it's who he aligns himself I definitely was shocked It's who he aligns himself with I was like I was watching I was like ooh And then I was shocked at no I was shot that He's a shapeshifter

I was shocked that nobody like He said dead gaza baby I don't know Like I said it's the way he said it I'm not surprised that he aligned himself In that way but he is a shapeshifter and he goes to what benefits him.

That's just how I see it. Did he? Going to prison. Did he really thought he was not going to get any time? I truly believe that. Thought he was going to get off? I think he thought it was going to be time served.

Of course, he was going to be monitored on some sort of probation. But I think he thought, I'm going to get off. Donnie, tell us about it. Yeah. Sean Did he calms. He's been officially sentenced to four years or 50 months,

if you want to put it differently in prison. After he was convicted on two counts of transportation to engage in prostitution, he's already served 12 months in jail, so that counts towards his sentence. And he's expected to file an appeal ASAP. So a lot of people are wondering how much time does he get. So he's already served 13 months. So he's 37 months left.

He could then do good time. And with a good time, he can get about 15% off that sentence. So if you subtract it, the good time that he could get, the amount of time that he has to do looks like it's about 29.5 months, which is two years and five months. Two years and five months. It looks like that's the best did he can do, which is two years and five months in jail on top of,

you know, the time that he's already put in. Yeah. Well, oh, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Hold on. Hold on. If he then goes into a drug abuse program, he could do a little bit better. He could do 17.5 months after the drug program

and then get one year in five months. So if he gets that. Yeah. I'm just happy he got, the sentencing was 50 months, and I'm happy that he got it because it was given to send out a message. I really think, as I said at the top of this, the Diddy thought he could get off. He's been getting away with things his entire life. We know that based on the things that he was charged with, these were the lowest crimes that were listed. And I think he is, so I'm not going to say, I mean, listen, they didn't prove their case.

jury found him not guilty on the other counts. So these were the lowest. So it's like, okay, well, I'm still going to, you know, because these are lesser crimes, I'm going to get off again. That's been the theme for Diddy his entire life, getting away with it. And I love what the judge said. The judge who was overseeing the case said, he was sentenced to 50 months and that that was a substantial sentence that was required to, quote, send a message to abusers and victims alike that exploitation and violence. violence against women is met with real accountability. Too long, for too long, women's stories, women's abuse. What has happened to them has been pushed to the side, you know, in the name of patriarchy, in the name of misogyny, whatever you want to call it. And hearing these women, whether you believe them or not, but hearing these women tell their stories and being brave

enough to do it in such a public way and the way that some people took it as the truth and the way some people ridiculed them, said they deserved it, said they wanted it, shows what a flawed world we live in and how people view women. And so the fact that this judge said, listen, you're not going to get off. It's not going to be time served. You need to go to prison. You need to think about what you did. And this needs to be a message for other people to realize you cannot do this to people. Men or women. This is not okay. this behavior's not. A jury may have found you,

he didn't say all this, but it's like you might not have been found guilty on the other counts, but you were found guilty on these and you should be met with accountability. And so I'm glad that a message is being sent. People can argue whether four years was too much or not enough,

but the fact is, is Diddy is going to prison for what he did to these women. And nothing can give them back what they lost, but I hope that they're able to heal in some way and know that he was held accountable in some way for the things that he did.

It says that he is unlikely to go to a high security or maximum. Yeah, he's not. Reserve for violent offenders. He's more probable that he would go to a medium or low security or administrative sort of prison. Over time with good behavior and program compliance and transfers,

he could move to a lower security or re-entry facility, halfway houses, residential centers, and all that. So it looks like this was, this set of circumstances looks like the best possible scenario for him that could have started once he was arrested

and the charges are produced. Were produced? I will say this, though. Everyone has to consider the lifestyle of Diddy. That lifestyle was based, you can look at it now, in hedonism. Mm-hmm.

In this, a form of freedom that most people never, ever, get to. That freedom is the freedom to party how you want, the freedom to, a freedom that is that he placed so much

value in, that that freedom actually became the oppression of everybody else. And I want people to understand that as well. Your freedom, your sense of fun, what you feel like you need to be able to do, you also need to keep

check on that. You need to stay in tune with that. And everyone needs to be asking their question, is my freedom somebody else's oppression? Is my freedom, my sense of what I'm able to do or what I should be able to do, is that out of negotiation with other people? Meaning, yeah, I feel like I should be able to do this.

Well, I'm not a person that is on this earth by myself. I live in community with you. And so if what I feel like I should be able to do, if that encroaches on how you are living your life, on how free you are, that's a conversation. That's a conversation that needs to be had with you. And that's a conversation that needs to be had internally. For example, the freedom to own limitless amounts

of any type of gun and weapon that you want, right? We have to have that. Well, that freedom, that freedom unchecked and uncontrolled, there's a cost. And so we continue to have that conversation. with the reason why I bring up all of this stuff is because this two years for him will feel like 20. Yeah.

When you are living that type of life, when you have access to that type of this freedom, this will be an excruciating. His scenario, everybody else who's looking at this, they're going, my God, like he got three years, two years with all of this, whatever, whatever. He really got, I can guarantee you that is not the way that is being perceived by him. Oh, no, for sure.

Not the way. And they're going to try to pull out all the stops here. They're going to throw money around in the Trump administration to see if there's anything left to buy a pardon from someone, something that I still do not think is off the table. I've talked about this already. They're going to try to culturally glamour everyone to recategorizing. Diddy as a victim of the state now, as a black man that is being persecuted by the United States government, that's going to be an important narrative to sell so that when he gets out, he's well received so that he can continue to be the lifestyle ambassador that he's been for

the last 20 or 30 years. So all of this stuff, it seems to a lot of people to be disappointing, but I can guarantee you that, I mean, there are reports. I'm not sure how accurate these are that he was already setting up. Yeah, I saw that. So there is a way that he lives that he was really addicted to. Of all the other things that he was addicted to. Oh, for sure. He was addicted to that lifestyle.

And taking that lifestyle away, I know people are disappointed. It is significant. And even the people, even, and what he's also addicted to is the attention and the fame. And so even the people who are like, okay, well, he's already served a year, you know, you might not, who might not think of it as you, the way you put it when you talk about, oh, he's serving two years. That's going to feel like 20 to him. I agree with you. Some people might say, well, he's already served two more years. But the thing is, is during this last year, he's been in hearings, he's been in trial, he's been a point of

conversation. He's been in and out. Now he's gone. He's locked up. He's in prison. There's no trial. There's no attention. There's no, nothing like that. That's why it's going to be even worse for him. And in appeal, who knows if that is like how long that could even take. Like that's, I know that they're going to pill it. That's just like everybody says that. Who knows if they'll fully go through with it or how long that that will take. But something you said about when you're talking about the freedom and you were like, it's on them when you're being oppressed and it's on you internally.

The thing about the internal part, the person who has the freedom and the power and the ability to oppress, with that, if you're using, you have unlimited freedom, right? And your freedom has no bounds. And because of that, you get bored in certain circumstances and you want more and more power. And so you use the freedom that you have to oppress other people, to encroach upon other people. With that comes the freedom to not care. And so, like, a did he within his freedom, he had the freedom to not care how you felt. he didn't care what he did he didn't care about you he didn't care about anything he like all of that was lost

and so it's almost when you get to the point of where just based off what you were saying where you're you want to oppress someone then you also don't care about them there will be no internal check when you get to that point that's almost the point of no return well that's why it's important to to name it in yourself take ditty out of it let me um take ditty out of it let me give you an example of what it is that I'm talking about. Let's talk about the idea of wokeism. The woke. Look at you.

You don't like you. The woke. I said glaze on CNN and everyone was like, don't give them glaze, man. They'll start using it. Before you know it, it would be the war on glaze. I should have said Dick Rodden. That's what I wanted to say.

I wanted to say, I'll get crazy dick rod and trunk. But that would have been grandstanding by me because it would be saying something to like, bring a whole bunch of heat down on Abby and all of that stuff. When you're on those shows, I just want you to know, Abby is such good people that when you're on those shows, there's also a thought in your mind that not only are you taking care of the show,

taking care of yourself, saying what you have to say authentically and aggressively. You're also thinking about that, but you're also thinking about taking care of Abby and making sure that you don't fuck over Abby's show because she's doing such a great job. She's such a great mind and always. all of that stuff. So anyway. So woke, woke.

Think about some of the things that we talked about during the woke thing. The woke was, to me, it's a check on the perceived freedoms of the powerful. And this, okay, so, be it the R word, be it the F word, whatever. I'm free to say these things.

I'm free to say it. I can say whatever I want. I can say it. I'm a big deal. I'm a person giving my own mind. I'm free to say whatever the fuck I want to say. But is my personal sense of freedom more important than community? Is it more important than not lording over someone?

Is it more important than the feeling that I have of not wanting to be somebody's oppressor? Talked about this before, about talk about it again. Shout out Jazz Fly, rest in peace. Jazz had a conversation with me about the term female, like 2013, 2014, 2015. I've talked about this before. And why she didn't like the use of the term female. That's why you see me say black lady, black women,

new being queen, utter desert, like the Euphrates, the Nile, Timbuktu. She who walks amongst the stars with her feet dipped in quasar juice and the Milky Way slides down her back and over her hips between her toes is the void of space and the universe the black woman

okay and so as we were talking she's telling me this and I'm a 34 35 year old man but I want to be in community with her I choose community I choose it so let me listen doesn't mean that I always agree and you guys have heard these disagreements You guys have heard.

Doesn't mean that I always agree, agree, but choosing community means that my personal, my personal freedom is not the thing that I must always be connected to because there is a point to where I said I want this and you got to do it. I said I got to be made to feel like this and you have to make me feel that way. I feel like I'm not able to create or live in full expression of who I am unless you give up a part of who you are to make that happen. That is the thing that you want to check. What you want to check is how your ability to do whatever you want,

make somebody else feel. And so, you know, in this situation for the next X amount of time, that doesn't exist for him anymore. He wakes up when somebody says he wakes up. He goes to sleep when somebody says. He goes to sleep. He has this much time. He can go out and do this. He has this much time.

He can go out and do that. That's a hard pill for him to swallow for sure. So I don't want anybody out there to feel like this is something to where nothing happened as the result of all this. It might have not been as harsh as some people wanted it to be. But this is certainly, certainly. something that they are not celebrating in any way, shape, or form. We will see how what happens when he is released

and how he comes back into the community and then we'll have all kinds of conversations. Yeah, for sure. All right. What do you think we should go next? Do we want to talk about these podcasters or do we want to talk about Aisha Curry? I think you want to do Ayesha Curry.

It's time to go to the Euphrates, baby. Oh, my God. Yeah, raise your hands. Everybody raise your hands. What hair? Oh, you don't know what this is. What is it? Oh, you never seen.

Donnie, you know what this is? Is that planet of the age? Nice. Yeah. So, yeah, yeah. You got to get permission. I've seen it. When, what was it, Kobe, when he wanted to show deference to, to, what's my man

name, Caesar? You do like this and this. Yes, he touches your hand. That's what that is. I did not realize that's what you were doing. And I love those movies. Yeah, Donnie, take us into it. Yeah, Aisha Curry.

She was on the Caller Daddy podcast, and she had this to say about her relationship with Steph. Four kids. Did you always knew you wanted a big family? No. So I didn't want kids. I didn't want to get married. I thought I was going to be career girl, and that's it.

And I had my eyes set on my goals. and I was never the little girl that like dreamt about the wedding dress and all of that. And then it happened so early in my life. So it's like it's one of those things like you don't know what you. You actually don't know what you want. It's so hard also to be the woman in a situation where you're like men just don't get as much scrutiny. Like they can maybe tell him like your fucking shot suck tonight. But like the looks and all of that is just like not a factor of conversation.

as much. No. Did you talk to Steph about it? Or did you kind of keep it within yourself so it didn't? I have, I do not have a bone in my body that can keep anything to myself. So if it comes to mind, it's coming out. And he's so gracious. Like, he tries to resonate with me, but he just can't.

And he also comes from a place of like, it's effing stupid. Like, it's not true. So why you? And I'm like, but wait. Like, listen to how it makes me feel. And he's like, but why? It doesn't make you feel like that. It's not real.

After we got married, we found out we were pregnant with our daughters so quickly. It, I didn't even have time to think about what I wanted anymore. It's so interesting. I spent my entire life. like trying to work towards something and then it kind of just disappeared and I didn't think twice about it. But after my daughter turned one, I remember there being a shift and being like, I have goals for myself. Like this doesn't feel right. I love being a mom, but I love doing other things too. And I need to get my shit together and figure out what that looks like for myself now.

if I have a career and I'm not home like did you experience that? I still experience that. I still experience that. I'm almost like I'm always in therapy talking about this. If you lose all of those things that were interesting about you, even for yourself, like even the things that made me feel confident and cool,

then what like what are you doing? Sad. Set the internet on fire. As usually topics surrounding Aisha Curry do. You know, people have strong opinions about Aisha Curry. It's either one way or the other without any depth or nuance given to the conversation, realizing how what she's talking about here is with Alex is so layered. And I think it's something that happens when you get around like 35.

I think I've talked about this before on the podcast. But do you ever see that show Fleischman in trouble? No. Oh, it was really good. But there's a monologue where one of the characters talks about realizing, like waking up and realizing, it's a woman, where she is in life and how she's not where she thought she was going to be. Like, she has a kid. She's married. She's kind of bored in her marriage and she thought she was going to be this writer.

And things didn't amount to her the way that, or for her the way that she thought they thought. were the way she had, you know, dream they would. And she's kind of coming to copes with what I'll call as an identity crisis that kind of hits where you wake up and you're like, man, I might be around mid-age. This isn't the way I saw my life. I'm never going to be younger than I am right now in this moment. It's like a real thing. There was another movie I watched around that time too where I was like, wow, these are thoughts that I'm starting to have. I remember somebody said to me, when I knew I was having issues in my marriage and I was confiding in a friend

and he was like, do you want to wake up at 45 and feel like this? And I remember thinking, I don't want to wake up at 40 and feel this way. Why do you look like that? Because you're 45? Because I'm 45 and it's like, I can change. No, no, no, no, you can change and that's the point.

But I was in a marriage, I was in an unhappy, I was in an unhappy still done. I was in an unhappy, still don't, I was in an unhappy situation and I thought, you know, like I was making excuses. I didn't want to come to grips with it. And he was like, do you want to wake up like this at 45? And I thought, I don't even want to wake up at 40. And that was a realization to me, like, it's not too late to change things. You don't have to stay in this place.

Yeah. And that's kind of what I feel like Aisha is doing right now. And no one is giving her any kind of space, not no one. The side of this against her isn't giving her any kind of space. to be vulnerable right now. She is talking about something that women have to go through that most men don't have to. And that's making a choice between family and career.

And people took this as a headline of, oh my gosh, she never wanted to have kids. She never wanted to be married. She's being so ungrateful for the life she has, and that's not what she's saying. If you listen to the whole clip, which we just played right here, she's saying that that was not her original goal.

Her intention was to be career first and then to achieve some of these things. She doesn't regret how that happened for her, but it wasn't her original plan. And now where she is in her life, she's sitting here and she's a mother and she's got four children and she's realizing the sacrifices that she made in order to create some of the things that she wanted out of order

and how she still has these goals and aspirations that she doesn't sure if she can do them, how to do them, who she is outside of being Steph Curry's wife and a mother to his children. She feels like she's lost herself in all of this. And I think that this is such an important conversation. And shout out to Aisha for being brave and courageous enough to have it, knowing that people will twist her words to mean something else.

The people who are responding in a negative way, this is misogyny at its best. Because misogyny isn't just a hatred of women. It's about dismissing their opinions and their vulnerability and their desire to express themselves, even if you don't agree with it. And that's what's happening here with her. I look at Aisha Curry and I'm just like she's saying that she's so much more than what people perceive her to be. And she's struggling with how to reconcile the desires that she wants for herself and where she is right now in her life. And she isn't criticizing Steph Curry.

She's just like he doesn't get it because, you know, he hasn't had to make some of the sacrifices that I've had to make, not meaning he's not. It's just he hasn't had to do it in the way that she has. And she's like he tries. But at the end of the day, he just doesn't get it. And I think there's two separate conversations because then she's also talking about the criticism that she receives and the way people talk about her. And he's like, don't listen to that. And she's like, for you, that can be easier for you. You set out to be one of the best NBA players in the game and you are that. You set out to be a family man, you know, be married and have these children and you have all that. I've set out to do these things too when people only look at me as one way when I am so much more than that. So many women feel this way, whether or not. it's because they put their career first and they don't have the family aspect, whether it's they're more in line with Aisha, maybe financially they're not where they want to be. So many people, women go through this because they have pressures that men will never have.

They will be looked at in ways in this society because of the patriarchy, because of misogyny, that men will never experience. And they can try their best and kudos to them for doing that, but they'll never quite get it. And the reaction that she's getting from this is exactly the point that she's making. I think lots of things here. The first is a lesson I got from my mom, just about people's individual humanity. My mother, I was talking about,

I think I've told you that's this before, to the unc age when I'm repeating stories. I was talking about how I felt that my father died. And my mom goes, well, first thing, your father didn't die. What are you talking about Jedi Mind Trip, Black Lady? She goes, Van Lathen Sr. died. that's who died.

If you relate, if you contextualize his life as your father, as that being his entire being, it deepens the disappointments that you have for him because you don't look at him as a person that has any type of motivation or any type of behavior that's not related to being your dad. So if he does something

and that entire thing is not circled around being your father, you think how could you? But for 25 years before you got here, this was a person that built up trauma, that built up habits, that built up worldview, that built up all kinds of different ways of existing and being that had nothing to do with you. Maybe he thought about how he would act and react when he became a dad, and maybe he filters some of his behavior through that. But there is going to be a point where just Van Lathen, senior is going to be there. And hopefully he would react in a way to where he says,

look, this is how your daddy is and this is how I don't want you to be. And I had a lot of those conversations with him, but it's hard not to do when someone's identity is father. It's hard not to do when somebody's identity is mother. It's hard not to do. It's hard not to say, this is how you're supposed to be talking as a mother. This is how you're supposed to be talking as a wife. but if you just looked at her, not as a mother, not as a wife,

not as something that you have all of these standards for that you've been taught, that may be good or bad. If you just looked at her as Aisha Curry, how would you feel about what she was saying? If you just looked at her as the person that she is, what would you think then? How would you feel about the fact that when she was a kid before she had children? Before she knew Steph, she had all of these things that she had wanted to do and accomplish. And she is young enough to accomplish those things even still. Right.

But now she is in a traditional and societal box to where her reaching out for those things is perceived a certain way. And she has such a large family that she doesn't want to shirk her responsibilities there. It's something to at least have a conversation about, right? when you're talking about people's individual want to continue to grow and the dreams and the versions of themselves that they thought that they would be. That's for everyone. This is what I would say. If we're going to have holistic conversations about things, then we need to try to extend grace and compassion to everyone we were having it. A man that was in that same situation that was married to a powerful woman saying this would be eviscerated. He would be eviscerated. He would be

eviscerated if this was a man that was married to a powerful woman and he was saying, you know, she's super powerful. I love her. She's amazing. But what about me? He would be eviscerated. And the reason why he would be eviscerated is because we would look at him as someone who wasn't capable of being in that relationship with that powerful woman without making it about himself. Now, there are certain things that have happened that have eaten around the edges of that when Jonathan Owens was on the pivot with Simone Biles.

And Jonathan Owens was saying, hey, just to let you know, he's talking about his shit and his relationship. Hey, she was on me. I was the catch in that situation. Whether that's true or not, like, whether that's true or not, the way it was looking,

that was you are lucky to be married to one of the greatest athletes of all time, a beautiful, accomplished, amazing woman, nigger, who are you to talk about the fact that she was on you? And what I'm saying is this, the framework that this of misogyny and patriarchy and what we are focused on, when we are having conversations about, women and how and the things that they want to do in the lives that they want to lead and how far outside of those lives we let them travel is a fair, appropriate, and a necessary conversation to have. But I would say overall here, people inside of relationships, be they women or be they

men, talking about the fact, whatever, that there are things that they want individual, be this men be this women, that there are things that they want for themselves. Mothers talking about the fact that it ain't all cracked up, what is cracked up to be all the time. I am exhausted. I am worked to the bone. Fathers going, you know what? Sometimes I just want to be just people being themselves.

Human beings having human conversations about what their existence in the moment is, whether it aligns with your perception of how they should look at them. or whether it doesn't line with your perception of how that's something that we should encourage and allow a safe space for. But a lot of times, even in these conversations, we're looking for safety. We're looking for people to, in my opinion, reinforce or endorse how we think they should be acting.

Like, there are a lot of people right now, a lot of men going, that are thinking, if I'm a millionaire, damn near a billionaire, if I am the greatest of all time, if I am a great father, a family man, if I put my family first, we're not talking about like one of the bad ones here. We're not talking about quote unquote, quote unquote.

We're not talking about future. We're not talking about somebody with kids everywhere. We're talking about somebody that has a family brand that is a good, clean cut. We don't know what's going on, all of this. a lot of guys are saying if I do all of that, I can still be in a situation where my wife is talking on an interview to a person saying that she's not happy enough.

And whereas that is doing exactly what I said before, it's a lot of men who can't come to terms with the fact, a lot of people who can't come to terms with the fact that there are some aspects of life with a person that you cannot control. There are certain aspects. There are certain things that people want and need that exist outside of you.

Of course. And so that there's no, there's no consummate mother whore that is going to be in a situation where you completely make them a thousand percent happy and they never want anything for themselves. And also on the flip side, that when you are a tremendously successful,

woman and your man is there in tow, he certainly is going to think about himself. And he's certainly in a world where that dynamic really isn't supposed to exist is going to at some point say, well, this is why she wants me. I'm trying to figure out the equivalent here. Because you said if a man said that and like it can't be the Simone Biles, Jonathan DeWis thing. Because the biggest issue with that, it's not that he says she was on him is that he said he didn't know who she was.

But that's what, and anything after that, everyone was like, what are you talking about? That's what it was. He was like, I didn't know who she was. And it's like, okay, that's not the equivalent. I'm sitting here trying to think the whole time when you were like, if a man, if a man. Let's stay there, though. Okay. So either you believe in that situation that he's lying to make himself look better?

I do. Okay. Cool. Well, so that, so that's a value judgment. But if we take him. that's a value judgment. If we take him at his word though, then he's just someone that for whatever reason feels the need to say that my entire life, for whatever reason, that my entire life is not being her husband. That's not what I'm saying. I'm not even doing that. I'm not even doing that.

I don't think the Jonathan Owens, Simone Biles, is equivalent. I'm sitting here trying to figure out because you said a man, if a man said what Aisha Curry said, he would be eviscerated. Aisha Curry is being like ripped apart in social media because people are like there's a whole I talked about it from one side the whole other side of people who are like you should be so grateful you're embarrassing your husband all of this like you should be happy for what he's giving you you wouldn't have this life without him which people also don't know if that's true or not but that's there is that other side of it I'm trying to see everything that I said for why Aisha Curry should be loud and vulnerable to say it. I'm trying to think of the a male equivalent to that because there are

certain things that women have to do and go through and sacrifice that a man can never do because we bear children. And it's not just bearing the child. It's the toll it takes on your body. It's what it does to you hormonally. It's how you have to take off of work. It's how you're viewed at as work. And so there's certain things that that hold you back career-wise because you decide to make the sacrifice and having children. Also, because you want it. You know, I'm not taking, obviously she said that's what you wanted, that a man can never do. So I'm trying to find the exact equivalent. I'm not saying men do not sacrifice. I'm not saying men do not put their career. Well, you're saying they don't sacrifice in the same way. Right. They don't put their, I'm not saying men don't put their

career on hold to elevate a woman. That absolutely is true. But there are ways that women sacrifice and also how we're viewed in this world that also set us back. That's what I mean. once a woman has a child and she goes back to work, it's a totally different thing. So it's a difference in the sacrifice is what I'm saying. And when you said, if a man said what Aisha said, he would be eviscerated and it's like,

but a man can't fully say the things that she said because it's a different level because of what women do bearing children. We're talking about the issue. The issue is that rather than look at things, and this is what I'm saying, rather than look at things in a way that speaks to the individual experience of the person, we're speaking to the expectation.

The expectation or how we look at it is, or the value judgment, the value judgment is that there's really no way a man could do this because the woman's job as wife and mother is so specific in the society that we live in that a man could never relate or express the fact that he thought his life was going to be a different way in the way that women can. Because women give their bodies up and in giving their bodies up, they give up so much time. They're expected to stay home with children. So there is a different standard. So essentially what that means is the only thing that can happen now is to, I guess in this situation,

is to understand that perspective, value it, and protect it, which I have no problem with. But what I am saying is this. The only reason why I brought up the man in that situation is because what I am saying is that people in relationships, there are all kinds of things that happen based upon expectations, based upon who you're supposed to be providing. being someone that has money to provide you know that is two

it's it's two ways one the gender wealth gap is such that yeah you should you should have to provide people look at it like you're making a lot more money but then that becomes your being able to do that becomes a thing that people judge you on like that's your worth

your worth is whether or not you can stand up to or be a part of the male mythology insofar as you can take care of everything. Like you can be that guy. And if you can't be that guy, then you are less of a man. And whatever it is, if it's the hypersexuality of black men and the way that black men are supposed to be perfect alien sex gods. Or if you're a man, are you supposed to be able to cry? Because if in this world, men will get on you for crying and women will get on you for crying. Like, what about your gender are you able to subvert in order to be a person? And the conversations that we have, when we're having them, a lot of times we're having

them through the lens of what we expect people to be. And not only what we expect them to be, how grateful, how grateful we expect them to be to be in situations that we think they should be grateful. for for. Well, like, what people are saying about Aisha Curry and all of this is that all the things that women say that they want, that women say that they want, that a lot of times

being fair, women derive men for, when you hear women say, there are not a lot of good mates out here. You know what they're really saying? They're really saying they're not a lot of Steph Curry's out here. That's what they're really saying. When you hear them say,

they're not a lot of guys that ain't fuck niggas. This is the difference between the Russell Wilson archetype and the future archetype is too many futures. It's not enough Russell Wilson. Steph Curry is a Russell Wilson. They're saying it's not enough Steph Curry's out here. It's not enough guys

out here that are hardworking, that are super wealthy, that are family oriented, that will support you, that it's not a lot of all of, it's not, they're not out here. We don't see them. It's too many futures. There's too many other guys like that. And then guys,

see a lady that has one of guys and go, it's not enough. I'm not saying she said that. But the way that they are, the way they look. So messed up. The way they look at her expressing herself as a human being is that all of the things that they're being told that they're not, all of the things that they're being told that they need to do, that it's still not enough for someone.

That is the definition of misogyny. But what I'm saying is that works both ways. And the reason why it works that way is because of a lot of expectations. that are voices upon men. I can't even do this conversation anymore. I am telling you, because I was listening to you say, they want to Steph Curry,

they want to wrestle. I was like, is he going to say because they're a good guy who works hard, who's a family man, or is he going to throw money in there? Hold on, hold on,

money is definitely a part of that. You threw, I cannot tell you how many, I've said this on the podcast, how many single women, just want somebody who's going to treat them right and is a hard worker.

I can't I cannot express this enough. Rachel, are you telling me right now? There's a certain type of woman who's specifically going to go after that. First of all, Russell Wilson and and Steph Curry are hyper wealthy. Yes. They're hyper wealthy. I'm not saying that women are out there, all of them looking for a hyper wealthy person. Yes, I agree.

If the way did you say, you said a good guy. Hard working family man. Like, we, the safety, I'm just... I'm telling you right now that... And this is the real talk part of it. We've had conversations about statements made about bus drivers. We've had conversations about... Those women exist, but those I am telling you, as a woman who constantly is talking to women,

single women, and maybe it's a certain different type of woman, right? because I'm talking to women who are in their late 30s, who are in their 40s, who are established. So maybe the tide has changed. Maybe it's a 20-something-year-old who isn't quite established and is looking for something different. But the woman who's already got that stuff taken care of, they just want to partner in a campaign. I'm just telling you. So maybe the difference is maybe you're right and I'm right and it's just an age difference or where you are in your life. I'm not denying that those women don't exist.

I'm just telling you. Okay, so let's do it, let's do it like this way. Do you agree that men have societal expectations too? Of course. Then that's all I'm talking about. Of course. I don't want to litigate what. Okay, don't get in the specifics of it.

Just the expectations. I'm saying that men have societal expectations to. Sure. And there is, and I definitely don't want anyone to listen to this podcast and think that there is not pressure and expectation that comes along. with being a man. Of course. If you're not going to be an Asian.

So what I'm essentially saying is in this situation, what we have to do when people are talking is consider the situation that they are in, consider what they're going through as humans and as people. And if you look at Aisha Curry as a wife and a mother, rather than someone who has her own life, her own trauma, her own goals, all of that, then you would make a value judgment based upon that, and it wouldn't be fair to her. And as much as me and you and even our conversation with joy and all of that is concerned, what I'm saying right now is these roles, they have to be destroyed.

They have to be destroyed because they don't even make sense anymore. Like these roles do not make sense in the society that we are living in any longer. They don't make sense. What makes sense now is for people to try their best to relate, respond, and communicate with people as individual, complex human beings. We cannot destroy any of the dangers of the gender interplay between men and women. I can look at my brothers and tell them that there is a part of them that needs to be responsible for themselves because of the way that they are perceived, like, in society. I want you to care about taking care of your community. I want you to care about being leaders in your community.

But I also want you to care about being a person, being a person that whether or not you are the man, whether or not you are, you. whether or not you are the guy that you can deal with yourself and the things that are going on with you. Because that then allows you to not look at women, puts you like this. When this all, in my opinion,

this all lends itself to prize-gathering. Like prize-gathering. Who is the prize? What is the prize? Like, what is the prize? Like, prize-gathering. like prize gathering. It's like, okay, I've worked myself into the type of man that everybody says that they should want. All right, now you have to do what I say. Because along with being that type of man, it is the power for me to have somebody come along and take care of my kids and take care of my household and take care of all of those things. Like, now I've attained that. And what I'm trying to say is the personal growth that you have as a person, it never stops.

doesn't stop at 45 it never stops I look at my life all the time all the time I look at my life and go like pick up your phone one day and have somebody ask you for $10,000 and then be in the position where your father's dead like your father's dead the guy that they would have went to

for for money or for gods whatever 10 years ago whatever years ago be in the position where you're like it's not that you don't want to do it, it's just that fuck. Like, I have people

that I need to take care of. And part of the reason why I was able to get here is because I'm a man, but I'm under fucking pressure, man. Of course. Like, there is pressure here. I wish sometimes people would just take that into consideration. Of course.

And so, when I looked at her, I was like, man, what if they strip all of the things that they think she's supposed to be doing away and just looked at her as a person. And I think if we do that for each other, we can get there. But if there is any, if we go into it with any expectation of how you should be acting, of what you should be saying, if we even go into it with the expectation of how difficult it is, it's much more difficult, ridiculously more difficult to be a woman, particularly a black woman, than it is to be a man,

a different set of dangers, a different set of societal factors, a different set of all of that stuff. But I can tell you that when you're going through it, when you're going through the thing that you're going through, it feels like it's the hardest thing in the world. Of course, of course, of course.

So, like, when I looked at this, I was like, look at people dehumanize her. Look at people act like she doesn't have a way to speak and a way to talk. Well, it's what you said, because people think, if you have this, this and this, you should shut up. It means you're happy.

It means you have everything. What could you possibly complain about? And that's not the case. So give me this. Tell me this then. If you were talking to a man and you never do that. But if you were talking to a man, what is, if you were in this situation, Steph, and you heard that, what would you do? what would you want to do?

What would you want a man to do after you heard that? Ask me what I need from them. Like what, like, ask me. Don't tell me anything. Just like, it's a question. Like, I heard what you said. I understand that I'm not, that I don't always get it.

What do you need for me? And then you throw back on the person. Like, tell me what you need. So I can be that for you. I can do that thing for you. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Say it. No, no, no, no, no. I was just thinking about something at therapy. What happened in therapy? No, no, no. I don't even know if it really relates, but it just made me think of, like, what I said, what I was giving the example of, like,

you wake up at when my friend said to me, do you want to feel this way at 45? And I was like, no, I don't want to feel this way at 40. And I just remember my therapist saying, what do you think would take what it would take to, make your relationship better. Like, what do you think would be the thing? And I remember saying, oh, if he was,

if he had a successful business, if he made more money than me, if he was able to provide, I think that in a way that he would want to or that he feels like he's supposed to, I think that would solve all our problems. So I guess I was just like... I guess the question is, why did you think that, though?

Because, again, I'm thinking of what... The reason I thought about that is because I was just thinking of what you just said about how people are like, well, you have this, this, and this, and all your problems are okay. And then it made me think of that question in therapy. And I was like, I said, oh, if he had this, this, then everything would be okay. And that's clearly not the case. There were deeper issues and everything. Why did I say that? Because I just felt like he was, he was so insecure because of our dynamic. I felt like he was, and again, I'm not saying I did, I did certain

things to add to contribute to that. And he was jealous. And I know that for a fact. He was jealous of the success that I had and, you know, that I didn't have to worry about things financially in the way that he did. And so I just thought, oh, well, if that, if he had that, then that would not make him insecure and that would make him feel like he could walk into a room feeling a certain way. And it would give him the confidence and the boost that he needed. And it's not that. It's deeper than that. There were so many more issues. So I've talked about this before, before we move off of it.

And I want to get your response to this because we haven't gone deep on the gender wars in a long time. I'm going to give you your response to this. Tell me. So another lesson that my dad gave me. I told you about the prom $100 bill story. You guys have heard that story. In case you guys haven't heard the story before, I'm going out. This was prom.

Maybe not. Maybe it wasn't prom. I'm taking a girl. out and my dad gives me a hundred bucks and we weren't going to any place. People are like, hi y'all, $100, nigga is 97. Yeah, that went somewhere.

And it's Damon's Mataronee, girl. But still, like, that went somewhere. Don't bring your inflation life to 1997. I went to the filling station one time and the gas was 94 cents again. I remember. I remember when I first started driving.

It was like 120. We was living. You literally could be running out of gas and look around in your cup holder. So true. And get enough money to go in there and be like, you know, can I get $2.3 and $3 worth of gas and whatever. And you'll be straight.

You got a couple of gallons of gas. You're straight. So it's a different time. So my dad says, look, when you go out with the young lady, the bill comes don't look at the bill. Just put the money on the thing. and let them take the money away, maintain eye contact with her.

Let her know that you can take care of things. That if she's with you, she is safe. And all of the ways, but financially is one of them. Instills in you an ideal, an ideal that a woman that is in your company needs to feel safe in every way, but that's also financially, right? Which means that if you in the,

in the past will find yourself out with me and you brought your friends to whatever, I got it. Like I have whatever, I have whatever is happening. I have it. If I'm not going to be there unless I can do it. That's a thing for me. I'm not going to argue with you about it.

I'm not going to say, hey, don't get the stake. I'm not doing none of that. However, that's a societal expectation that you get from your father that's grounded in misogyny, but culturally translated through chivalry.

Yeah. It's culturally translated through this is a good thing. But before you go out and have fun, you need to make sure that you can deal with everything that comes along. And then it grows. You need to make sure that you can deal with having a home. And you need to make sure you can deal with this. And then you get with somebody that's doing a little bit better than you.

And your life becomes, does she respect that I got her? It doesn't matter any other way that I get. Does she respect that I'm here for her? I'm not getting in this relationship because there was all kinds of shit that was going on. Seems like the most important thing was the apps. But does she respect that even though this situation is here and this is like that, that I can't keep her safe,

that I can't keep it. Does she respect that? And then it becomes, well, unless I get to a point to where I'm taking care of her, now I don't feel that I, unless I can take care of her, unless I can take care of this in this way, then there's no way she could possibly respect me. There's no way I could be happy

or I can be happy in this relationship unless I am in a race with my spouse because it's not going to work unless I can take care of things without stress in a relationship. So much so that you thought he would be happier if he could do that. I thought it would solve all our problems.

And I bet you it would have, I'm not saying that he would have been happier. I'm saying that it would have taken him a longer time to realize he was unhappy if he was in that situation. But you know who would have been much more unhappy? You. Because when that expectation flipped, he would have expected graciousness,

filty and all kinds of things from you. Oh, he was expecting that without that. Right. Towards the end. So what I'm saying is that like, what if we were people that had a connection that was free from all of these societal expectations? What if whoever was tired cleaned up? What if whoever made more money took care of things?

It would be amazing. Like what if I just went, hey, you're a person. What if somebody hit me or whatever or it wasn't like, well, like I'm the prize you're the prize. What if our union was the prize? I kind of see that. In the younger generation, some of the expectations and the norms aren't quite there.

Yeah. And I've heard other girlfriends that date younger. Same thing. But let me just say something to do, because people always say I don't, and then we can move on, that I don't always, you know, take accountability or say,

certain things. If I'm honest, if I'm honest, I said that that would have, I thought that would have solved our problems because it would have made him feel more secure, him confident. But if I'm 100% honest, I would have looked at him differently too. You think we don't know that? No, no, but I need to say that. Like, I, I would have looked at him like, okay, now you're, you know, like, you're doing stuff. I'm not taking care of you. I'm not this. And it would have, it would have helped me kind of change some of my viewpoints by that time. Yeah.

I mean, we're guys. We've seen, you've seen y'all date the ballplayers and the drug dealers and all of that. I'm just joking. That's this. Ha, ha, ha. I'm not, I wasn't scarred by that. Really, can tell you know why I wasn't scarred by that? It's because, like, that wasn't like a thing.

I mean, I guess it was a thing. But, like, that's where growing up in some place that's really fucked up is helpful. Because broke people got to fuck each other. I'm like, yeah, it was a thing. Bro, it's a thing. But you know why it was a thing in Dallas? And this is not, look, I don't, I'm not taking it. It's a couple of niggas in Baton Rouge.

I'm not going to mention their names that was really getting to it. A couple of them, rest in peace to a couple of them, a couple of them, they were able to, that was really getting to it. So I'm not about to act like it was what niggas in Baton Rouge getting crazy money off shit like that. I'm not saying. But I'm saying that like, I saw broke people come together in relationships. and, you know, broke together doing it. Broken, good looking.

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or visit Trimfair Radio.com. This episode is brought to you by WeatherTech. Everyone knows winter is the MVP and making a mess. You don't need WeatherTech floor liners in the summer, unless you the beach or go camping, then you'd want a cargo liner or road trip goes sideways, ketchup goes rogue, ice cream drips. Yeah, you'd be pretty happy about those weather tech seat protectors. So just to be clear as the mud, you're inevitably going to step into the summer. You don't need weather tech unless you plan on doing summer. Visit weathertech.com today. Let's talk about these podcasters. Donnie, Theo Vaughn and Ayn Ross, they're talking about Trump. Yeah, Theo Von, I guess Trump, the administration, the Department of Homeland Security specifically posted a video using a clip of him in which he says, heard you got deported, do, bye.

I guess the post was to promote the agency deportation numbers. Now, Theo Vaughn wrote on X after this video went public. Yo, DHS, I didn't approve to be used in this. I know you know my address, so send a check. And please take this down. and please keep me out of your banger deportation videos when it comes to immigration. My thoughts and heart are a lot more nuanced than this video allows by. He also stood on his podcast and specifically spoke about this.

My father immigrated here from Nicaragua, right? Like one of my prize possessions is I have his immigration papers when he came here. And I have him in a frame and him and his siblings when they came here. and so I have tons of thoughts about it, but this, this was just fucked up, right? It was fucked up. And it was everywhere. It was like on all platforms and stuff. So, so that had me really kind of paranoid. You know, that had me start to get kind of paranoid and, you know, like closing, like, you know, I had the curtains in my house kind of closed. I was just like, you know, you're paranoid. I woke up the next morning.

Sorry, I need some water. I woke up the next morning to a text from a high government official saying, hey, if you need some extra security in your neighborhood or some extra police cars on patrol, let me know. And I'm like, what? What are you talking about? Extra security. I don't have any, like, you know, I don't even know the code of my ring camera. Like, I don't even know how to log in. So it's like, and then, and like, what are you just going to put police cars in my neighborhood?

What are my neighbors going to think now? They're fearful. Like, it's just like, I don't know, man. That, like, really kind of shook me. It really kind of shook me. But you just, you keep marching on, you know, and you start getting security. And then now, but now you have security, right? And the thing is, you just don't know.

You just don't know. That's your guy. That's my guy. What are you talking? I'm just saying, you know, y'all, y'all work out together. You're both from Louisiana. You had a moment. Louisiana.

Aidan Ross also did it too. You see a lot of people do it. Aiden Ross. His is a little different. Aidan's a little different. Okay, let's talk about what Aiden Ross said. I had a call with somebody in my team. Can I tell you guys something?

Now that I look back on it, I really, really wish I never got into, like, politics. And I feel like that's a cool thing to like talk about, obviously. It's like, you know, I just kind of like, I know y'all didn't like that era at all, except for the Trump, like stream out. Obviously at the end of the day was the president. Like, but like, now that I look back at it, it's like, damn, like so many people just tie me to it. And now it's just like, fuck. Like, no matter what, they don't even get to know who I am.

Because they don't like even want to. Oh, you did the stream with Trump. You go what I'm saying? Like, and I really, really understand other people's, And as I'm getting older, I'm just like seeing like, I just don't think I'll ever care enough again for any other politician ever in the future just because it's like at the end of the day, bro, like humans.

We're all humans, you know. This is all you. It's all me. I mean, go ahead. Take it away. Podcast bros. Podcast bros. This reminds me of like, so, you know, I want to be,

Don't. Yeah, fuck all this. Exactly. Exactly. It is, I'm sorry, man,

fuck y'all. I wish I could say it in any other way, brother, but the best way to say it is, fuck you. Now, now, it's weird.

It's a chance. This is the thing about the fuck you. It's a high leverage fuck you. Because if you want to, to you have to let people it. And that is something that Andrew Schultz said on his podcast.

What do you say? I'm going to paraphrase, but he basically was, you know, he's probably been the most vocal, I'd say, of the podcast bros in voting for Trump and regrets related to that and platforming the right. But he's like, okay, the way to do it now is to say, hey, you voted the wrong way, you made a mistake. This is how you do. did. This is what you should be doing.

This is what we stand for rather than saying you're stupid, you're dumb, you voted for him. Okay. That's not the way to do it. That's what he said. So I agree, actually. But I also have a challenge. The challenge

is whether or not you will accept the fuck you. You must accept the fuck you. You have to accept it. You can't get out of it. I agree with that. Okay. So you see it going, wrong. You could do one or two things. You could double and triple down on the fact that you were right. And things can get progressively worse and progressively worse and progressively worse until

everything is on fire. You could do that. I don't think anybody wants that. So I'm just being pragmatic latent. So you can't do that. But all of you must accept the, yeah, fuck you. You have to accept it for two reasons. Number one, you have to accept that you were wrong and wrong in such a fundamental way that it put a lot of people in danger. You guys have got to take your medicine. You have to. Because if you don't sufficiently take your medicine, we're not going to believe that you learned anything. And while it seems like somebody is being or like you're being draconian about that

or whatever, it's very important to demonstrate at a time like this that you did learn something. It's very important to demonstrate it. If not, what it looks like is that you're doing this for the sake of your audience. Like, you don't want to look like an asshole in front of your audience.

You don't want to look It looks cosmetic. Anybody in the world that wants to make inroads with the group that they have been at cross purposes with, you have to accept the criticism and to fuck you

from that group. Even if you can't all the way glom on to the cause of that, you have to accept that. Because if you don't sit down and accept the criticism, if you think you are above the criticism, then it lends the group

back to thinking that you are exactly the same type of person that overlooked their problems before. If you overlooked a bunch of people's problems and a bunch of people's perspectives enough to vote for someone that is essentially doing everything that they said that they were going to do, everything. There is not one thing that's happening now outside of maybe Epstein. That is not explicitly what Trump said that he was going to do. you believed in either the coolness or yourself more than you believed in the people that were going to be made vulnerable by a Trump administration. And not only did you vote for, but on these gigantic platforms, these huge platforms, you told your people to vote for. Yeah.

And then he won. And now black children. according to eyewitnesses are getting zip tied to Chicago. People are being pulled out beat up. Black women, 300,000 of them fired out of the workforce. I can go on and on and on. And you don't want to be a part of that party. You don't want to be a part of that.

But I have to be able to say, fuck you. Let's talk about what you saw. Because if we don't do that, then we will be back in this same situation with these same people again. Yeah. The last thing I'll say, you didn't listen. You didn't listen to us.

You didn't listen to him, obviously. Because if you'd actually listen to him, he'd have told you, we're sending ice into the streets and we're rounding people up. He's sending ice into the streets and rounding people up. He'd have told you, we're ending the DEI stuff and we're getting everything. All of it, all of it, everything is what was said. So I and everyone else who wants to be in community with people who think that this is wrong, we should find reasons to be in community with them.

But you can't white boy on us. You can't white boy this situation. And that's what it is. Well, the white boying is what led them to this place in the first place. An aided Ross, the reason I say he is different is because nothing about what he said is concerned for the people that are being affected by Trump's policies. It's all about you guys are making me look bad. You guys are connecting me to him.

And I'll never care about another politician again. And that was still cool that I got to interview Trump. Like that is a person who's not equipped to have the conversations. Does it was totally based off of this is cool. I get to interview the president. Doesn't really, isn't really involved in touch with politics. Doesn't care. From what he said in this clip is not bothered by what the people that are being impacted.

how he is being perceived based off all of this. So I'm putting him in a different bucket. Great. We don't want you talking about politics. Please step to the side. The other podcast... What we do, though? I...

If you... Okay, let me put it this way. What you were saying you want from these podcast bros, I don't think Aiden Ross is equipped to do that, nor does he care to do that. That's not... Like, he thought Trump was just a cool guy. This is cool.

I can get him on my podcast. Nothing that Aidan Ross has shown, is that he has an interest in politics about policies, how it affects the country and the people. And if he changes his mindset for that, and then is willing to have those conversations and those impactful

you know, bring those people on to have some sort of impact his audience and great. But I just don't think that's his show. That's just not him. The reason why I... Sure, it'd be great because he has a big audience. Well, okay. There's got to be a lot done with that as opposed to

flagrant podcast or even Theo Vaughn. They're already bringing these people on to have these conversations. But I just put, if I could just finish, I just put Aiden Ross in a completely different bucket. If he wants to change,

there's got to be a lot of change there. What I will say about, like the flagrant podcast, Theo Vaughn, even Joe Rogan, is that you said the white boy. That's really what it comes down to. So yes,

except the fuck you. But what I don't want, and you touched on this, is, and I've heard it from like the flagrant, well, we, that's not what we, thought he was going to do or we, or we didn't think he was going to run on this or he's not doing

the things he said he was going to do, but he is. And to me, you were more concerned about your own self-interest and the fact that you weren't going, you heard him, right? Like, these guys are smart enough for this. You heard him. You just didn't care. This almost goes back to the compassion of what you were talking about in the Van Jones part of it. It wasn't important enough to you, the people who were going to be impacted by it. You didn't care. You cared about your own self-interest. So it is willful ignorance. You chose to ignore it. I want an acknowledgement of that. I really, yeah, I wasn't thinking about other people. I was more so thinking about myself. I almost want to step further and I want to hear that from you. It's not about, oh, I just, I just didn't listen.

Now I'm listening. Tell me. No, I want you to say, I listen. I didn't care. You didn't care. I guess I just, and I'm never going to get that, right? I'd be shocked if I did. But I need you to say that because that is what led you. And then you spoke to an audience full of people who mirrored that, who equally didn't care. You were white-boying it. And I say white-boying because some of it affects women.

You didn't care how it impacted women as well. That includes white women. So I need, I'm not, I'm not going to sit here and be like, you're dumb and I'll write you off. You're right. You have to come to the table and have the conversation. But part of that conversation is why you chose not to listen. Right. So if we're going to come, you got to come to.

Sorry, there's no other way to say. If we're going to come to the table and meet you there, there's got to be some acknowledgement of how you got to where you were, what, of how you got here. It's got to come. It's got to be both sides. Let me, let me explain what I'm trying to say. Number one, we do, I'll tell you what I say. I do want Aiden Ross to talk politics.

I do. I want Aiden Ross to talk politics because I want Aiden Ross to have a politic. A lot of the shows that we're talking about, or even the ones that we aren't talking about, there are so many shows that exist that talk politics that the show doesn't have a politic. And just so people know what I'm talking about, when I say have a politic, I mean, with the people in your life and the people, that you talk to and when you're discussing things with them, before you get into an issue-by-issue conversation with these people,

try to define the way that they view the world. Try to define it. Try to have a conversation. Ask the people around you, ask your homies, ask the people you talking to, the people interviewing you, the people you're interviewing. Ask them, what makes a good society to you? like what's your idea of a good society

and if they can't answer that question or if they can't get granular about it then it might be a sign of two things either they don't want you to know because it might be offensive to you or they hadn't thought about it right so if you ask me right now what makes a good society

good society to me it's a society that is where people have a right to movement, a right to health care, where justice is equal, where economic participation is equal. I want housing, of course, that's a part of economic participation.

I want peace and a peace. The peace that I need is a piece that is an overarching one. You can't have a peaceful existence if you're homeless. You can't have a peaceful existence if you're disease-written and you can't pay for your care.

You can't have a peace if the police are attacking you. You can't have peace if the disparity between you and your neighbor means that you look at your neighbor like an op and not someone you're in community with. If your neighbor is more talented and does better than you, that's one thing. But if your neighbor is born with a million dollars and you are born with negative money, It is very difficult to be in community and have the same set of problems and wishes of that person.

So those disparities have to shrink. And then a piece is the economic side of it. What parts of the American economy and the American political structure are you not being allowed to participate in because of the body that you were born into? Are there people that care about the capitalization of you, of you reaching your best potential? Is there a central belief that if you are the best, best that you can be, that America will be the best that it can be. Or is that belief in the inverse? Is the belief that if you are controlled by America, if you are imprisoned by America, if you are disenfranchised by America, that America's better off? All of those things go into

the way that you would vote, the way that you would look at things, and the amount of restorative and healing justice that you would be able to stomach. So that is a direct politic that, to me, is something I can talk to people about. It's mine. Now, on these shows a lot of times, there are conversations that are had and there are things that are discussed that seem to indicate what people think, that seem to indicate how people look at the world. Then, when they are smashed in the face

with the reality of what their vote and their advocacy actually did, they go, whoa, whoa, whoa, that's not me. That schism probably needs to be worked out. It's not enough not wanting bad things to happen to people. I don't look at anyone and think that they're a ghoul. The question is how much good do you want to happen to them?

Like how full and free do you want their lives to be? Or is it more important that your life is full and free? That's the white boy part of it. That is the thing. How important do you want that to be? I am not in any rush not to accept everyone that has Trump regrets. I'm not. But I am massively baffled.

by how in the world you didn't think it would get this back. And I cannot be baffled. I cannot be baffled by you. What I would say is the baffling on my behalf must be solved and it must be solved by them because I'm looking and I'm saying we live in this sort of Groundhogs Day situation to where people tell people this is how this is affecting my life. This is going to affect my life.

Do you care? Do you care? Do you care? And then people go, well, no, I'll vote this way. And then they watch it happen and they go, wait a minute, I want to be a part of that. Well, uh, I, uh,

well, how, you know, it's like, Trump came out and said that, Trump came out and said, uh, Russell vote in, of a great project, Project 2025 fame.

So when he said that he didn't know what Project 2025 was last summer, are you telling me you believed him? And if you believed him, I got to know why.

Because I'm not going to tell you not to tell your audience of millions and millions of millions of people on Rogan, flagrant, or A. Ross.

I'm not going to tell you not to go out and tell them that Trump is an asshole and you regret. I'm not going to tell you to do that because that's cutting off

my nose to spite my face. I need this shit over. I need this done. And I need people to be safe. And if it actually took getting this bad, if it actually took getting this bad, I wish that it wouldn't have. But if it took getting this bad for America to wake up and understand what Trumpism is, then we have to seize on the opportunity. We have to be above spite. And we have to be above our feelings and seize on the opportunity to change America. but you got to give me something. Exactly.

You have to give me, you gotta, that's a part of the deal. A part of the negotiation, you gotta give me something. Exactly. You gotta give me something. I think maybe we could negotiate about what that thing is,

but the first thing you gotta do is you gotta give me to fuck you. Fuck you, fuck your people, fuck the people that didn't, that ignored us, that didn't believe us, that said that we were whining, that you was woke as a pejorative, that didn't care about the safety of our women,

didn't care about the safety of our teenagers, didn't care about the safety of the people we share our community with, the brown people. Fuck everyone out there that told us we were overreacting, that told us we didn't read it right, that we couldn't read, that we were crying, that we were more concerned about pronouns than we were about freedom, that we didn't really have a way to navigate the travails of America.

Fuck everybody that was that. Fuck all of that. Fuck all of the people. that don't care about the rights of trans people, the rights of black women, the rights of black people, the rights of lower income people that don't care about income inequality, that don't care about health care, that care more about the ability to say the F word and the R word

than they do about whether or not the history of black people is told in America. Fuck all of those people. Fuck you all. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. But now we're here. you got to accept that. You have to. Now we're here.

I'm ready to have a conversation. I need a little more. But then we can have the conversation. But then we can have the conversation. Okay. Just real quick, guys. Taylor Swift dropped. I didn't listen to it.

Rachel didn't listen to it. But somebody did. But Ashley did. I sure did. And it was terrible. Wait, are you a Swifty? So I guess type of. Frankly, I'm not a Swifty.

I have grown up listening to Taylor Swift. My mom liked her first little song when she first came out. And I liked folklore. I liked Evermore. I thought it was some of her best writing. And this album, it's called Life of a Showgirl. I think it should be called Death of a Showgirl. It was horrific.

Why? Uninspired. It was two reasons. There's two different reasons. Actually, I would put three. First reason. Written horribly. So she's not a lyrical genius is what you're saying.

Nope. No, no lyrical spiritualism here. She's terrible at writing whatever what was on this album. Number two, she wrote a disc track about Charlie XX of Brat Summer this summer. It was probably the most tone death, mean girl thing I've ever heard. And number three, I do not want to. listen to an entire song about Travis Kelsey's dick

nor do I want to hear about how Taylor Swift is happy that Travis Kelsey is no longer dating black women. I do not want to hear about any of that. I heard about this. She definitely inferred that in one of her songs. Okay. Tell me about that. Go ahead, Ashley. So that,

the song, O Polite, is the third song or the third song on her album underneath Elizabeth Taylor. This song is, about how she and Travis Kelsey are going to make a bunch of babies and live somewhere

beautifully. But she infers that she is very, very pleased that he is not dating women that he used to date. And reminder, the women that Travis used to date were all black. And now he is here

with poor Taylor, who is screaming from the top of her lungs. Oh, she also has a song about how she wanted to date or kiss a guy, who died in her high school, but now she has to date Travis Kelsey. It's very strange.

The whole album is strange. No, it seems, it feels rushed. It's like you've been giving us music back to back to back to back. You can stop. But the song you're referring to opalite, I did see a lot of talk about this. And what people were upset about

in that song, particularly black women who were like, ah, you're not that slick. So the song's called Opelite, right? And in the song, She talks about how she's dating, like, she's talking to Travis, and she's like, you were dating someone, you were so alone. They were always in their phone, which is a reference to. Look at that right now.

You were getting it for real and she was on her phone. And she was on her phone. And you were just opposed. And you were just opposed. So basically alluding to that Kayla Nicole was always in her phone. I guess there were rumors about that. There was a video. Okay.

And he was always telling her to get off her phone. And that for her, it was all about, like, posing big on the carpet. But then she goes on to say you were so lonely in the onyx night. Read the lyric. Wait, ony's night. Get down to the onyx night. Get down to the chorus. Where is it say?

Sleepless in the onyx night. Keep going. But now the sky is opal. Oh, my gosh. So people are taking this to me that the women that he is dated are. Damn. That's who she's referring to. You were sleeping.

You couldn't get it right because everybody knows he has this history of dating black women, the onyx night. And people are assuming that is in reference to black women. But now the sky is so bright because it's opalite, which is a white crystal stone. Well. And so people are saying that this is hit him up. She said I mean, I had a bad habit of missing lovers past. My brother used to call it eating out of the trash. Lover's Pass of Travis Kelsey, the trash?

Trashy, Ony, Ony, women? This album is trash. I'm looking at this right now on this. But it's like, also like... Onyx? Why are you going after the X's?

Like, you're Taylor Swift. You got all the things you wanted. You got all the things you wanted. You got your man. You made a whole song about it. You're in a relationship like you never did before. Leave the... Allegedly, if this is true. Leave the black women alone.

Also, my biggest thing with Taylor is I would never know Taylor was 35 years old. She still writes from the music that I have heard. It feels like she's 35 or writing like a 14-year-old. Ashley, you're more in-depth with the music. Is that correct? Is that a fair assessment? A hundred percent correct.

If you compare her to Adele, who is the exact same age as Taylor Swift. For real? Yes. Then you can see the difference. between the maturity in their music. So, yeah, Taylor writes like she's 14 still. Yeah.

Opelite, Onyx. You're part of the Onyx Night. That's my new nickname. I never dated, Travis. You're talking about people who dated the Honix. You're the Onix Night. Add it. Add it to.

Taylor. But like, Taylor, like, everybody expected some more. It was supposed to be life of the showgirl. They thought it was going to be like, kind of like burlesque, that music from that, from that movie album with Christina Aguilera. And it's fit. It goes right along with the folklore, whatever. that kind of music, it's sleepy, it's not, and it's also like, I actually expected, and I haven't

heard the whole thing, but Ashley, you have more of a mature album now that she's stepping into this new phase of her life with Travis, and it just seems very childlike. Well, and it seems like she, there's a girl who does like a whole dissertation of it I saw. I was big on watching this on TikTok. And it's like, she does this whole thing of her brand is being like a doll-like white woman. And she has to be a girl. She hasn't thought of her brand. Kev on stage posted it. She hasn't thought of her brand outside of it.

Like where you see other women stepping more and maybe into like their sexuality or, you know, growing. Like if you listen to Adele's music, at 19, 21, 30, she's growing with her music. She's stepping into phases of her life where Taylor still seems to be playing into this doll-like image and it's just not working. And now it feels like, and Ashley, you can probably attest it. people feel okay criticizing Taylor.

Before, you could not criticize her music or anything that she's done. Now, it's almost trendy, is it not? It's super trendy. Her audience has completely turned their back. Well, not completely, but there's a lot of Taylor Swifties who are out there watching her movie now because she also put out a movie for this album, which is only like a lyric, YouTube video almost type thing for the album. and everyone is really upset at her

because this seems more like a money grab album than an actual album. I heard people say that too. She sold how many? 2.7 million, something like that? People are saying it's capitalism. They're really starting to turn. They're really starting to turn on her.

Just before we go, I'll say this. Two things. One, I got to say this. Obviously, you know, we had Kaylon Nicole on the show. Actually, no. Yeah, we didn't. That didn't happen. We try.

Actually, okay, we never had Kail and Nicole on the show. But we tried. Nope. We did waste an hour of our time and interview. Four hours of mine. All right, we never had Kail Nicole in the show. Okay, that never happened. But a lot of people act like Taylor Nicole, Kaila Nicole.

A lot of people act like Kail Nicole is crazy. And they act like she doesn't have a real that these people don't be fucking with her. And when she talks about the. this relationship, a lot of people say, get girl, get off of it, move on. Right. And here is Taylor. And Taylor. And so, I mean, you know, what happened with our podcast aside, but like a lot of people, I mean, you take millions and millions of millions of minions and you turn them on this black lady. She has been talking about the way she's been treated and talking about the things that she's

been through and now here she is having fun Chris Brown concert doing TV shows and all of that stuff and out of nowhere she part of the Onyx night she she got to get thrown out by the opalite and this is a this is that like she said that they be fucking with her and they fucking with her she fucking with she fucking with she fucking with her it is what it is she has a line in here in one of her songs where she says but I'm not a bad bitch in this isn't savage, but I'm never going to let you down. I'm never going to leave you out. And people also think that that is

a reference to you know, Beyonce, a bad bitch, savage, Beyonce. She's against saying she's not a black woman, but I'm this. And then she goes on to say so many traitors. Kayla was on traitors. It's like leave us alone. We'll say. We will know that Taylor is coming at black women if she mentions ass. or if she said something about a BBL. Why?

If she was to say, well, I don't know. I don't know what the lyric would say. But if she was to mention people with big butts or if she dissed the BBL or something like that, we would know that she's coming after black women. Right?

That would be the tail right there. I haven't listened to this. I'm going to listen to it. I'm going to be out on. I'm going to be listening out. Did she say anything about that, Ashley? She did not. She didn't mention BBLs.

She didn't. Well, I'm not even talking about the BBL because the BBL is not something that black women have like a patent on. But I bet in white people's culture, when they dissing black ladies,

they bring up stuff like that. Let's see. Taylor Swift, I'm just going to look it up. Ass. Let me see. Taylor Swift asks. Oh, this might be on,

wait a minute. That's not what I wanted to. I don't want to look at. deal with big butt. Okay, she has no lyrics about this. All right, so never mind. But Ashley, I want you to listen to it again. These are not getting the responses that I want to.

Listen to it again and see if she mentions anything. If she disses a lady. That's going to be a tough listen. I don't know if I can do it again. Yeah, don't do it. Don't do it. Listen. I know.

I will list to it enough, I think, to know that she did not. Yeah, she's alluding to, she's like the I'm not a bad bitch. and this is a savage. That's the lyric, Megaside. I think that there are these illusions. I think there might be some insecurity because we've seen all the people

that Travis has dated and then Taylor. She did it. Wait, she did it. I looked at the, it was that right here. They want those bright lights and Balanchi shades with a,

and a fat ass with a baby face. Oh shit. Then I guess she says that. This is from, that's your rich song, isn't it? This is from, what's the name of the record? This is from,

wish list. That's right. On wish list she dizzle with the fat ass Taylor. She's coming after Black women on this podcast. Oh my God, Taylor. And I mean, y'all says she does Easter eggs. These are, you call it, hit them up.

These are outright disses to it. And you're right. That's such a good point. Damn. Despite, despite however I feel about the lack of the interview and the waste of time, there has been, Kayla has said that she, She hasn't said it.

We've seen it. She said that'd be fucked with her. But we've seen it the way they attack her. And then you have these lyrics in your song, which is only going to point towards that. Leave her alone. And also just allows people to talk about it more. Just move on.

Like, why can't you move your engaged, move on in your happy relationship and settle into that life and move on to the next phase? This is supposed to be all the things you wanted. Why are you going backwards and talking about these other women? I just, I want to show you this. I have to show you this. Okay, show me.

Show me. Okay, so you understand the concept of the show love is blind. Yes. Okay, people are in pods. They don't get to see each other. They fall in love without seeing each other behind a wall, they call it. And then they get to see each other for the first time, and it's almost like you fall in or out of love again.

It's a very genius concept. I fall in and out of love of this show. Well, there's a black couple on this show, K.B. and Edmund. And KB, Black Woman, Edmund is a man. He's a little quirky, right? So he's big into rollerblading. He tells this very emotional story about growing up in the foster care system and how a teacher saved his life and how he's a substitute teacher

in addition to being a realtor. And you just fall in love with him on this first episode. Fall in love with him. And you're like, wow, like this is really a love is blind situation because she wouldn't typically go for this type of guy. They see each other. He's super excited. But we've seen him do some quirky stuff, right? That KB necessarily isn't privy to, but the audience is as they're watching it. So the next phase after these five couples, four or five couples, whatever, find each other. They go to Mexico and they get to be with each other for the first time. They stay with each other. Then they see all the other couples. So you see how everybody's relationship is doing.

So Edmund's having a conversation with the other man. And of course, they're like, oh, have you been intimate? How's it going? Some couples are slower faster than the other. And Edmund's like, well, KB doesn't want to have sex until we get married. Okay. So that's four weeks. So he's having these conversations with these men and they're all like, I'm having sex. I'm doing this.

I'm talking about. And they're like, man, are you at least, you know, getting to mess around? And he's like, I mean, we do a little something, but, you know, she wants to wait until marriage. And then he's like, the dog, like, I don't want to wait till marriage. Just how he's talking. He's like, I don't want to wait till marriage. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I can't do that.

And they're like, but that's what she wants. You have to respect that. He's like, I know, but I'm not supposed to do that. Okay, so. Yeah, niggas. So they go back to the rooms. Everybody goes to sex with their rooms. And then KB and Emma have a conversation.

And this is what happens. Watch. I mean, these are things we have to consider when we talk about saying I do at the altar. This is who I am. It's not that I'm not as strong into it as you are. This is me. No, and I can't. I can't be in my, I'm just always.

He's a fucking nice guy. I'm going to fuck me up. Come two fucking nice. It's me fucking me up. Come too fucking nice. I'm too fucking nice. It's fucking weird, yo. When I talk to me?

It's like I'm too nice. I heard that. I know that. I get told that. You're two fucking nice. I always hear that. That's me. I'm not, you're not telling me that, but like, I'm telling you that.

You're not telling me that, but KB, that's what I'm getting. You, I don't know. Wait, wait, no, that's very sure. I just be thinking I'm too fucking nice. I think, I can't lie, like, I'm, like, kind of stuck on, like, you having a one-night stand. I'm not like that anymore. I wish you could have seen it, too. This has the internet, this has the internet on fire.

because she has made a choice of, I don't want to sleep with you. And he's taking it as, but I'm always the nice, the rejection, you don't want me, I'm sick to be nice. And I guess she confided in him

that prior to this, she used to be a little bit more wild. She used to have one-night stands. And she's like, but I'm not, I don't live that life anymore. And he was like, but you have one-night stands? She was like, but that was a year ago. Oh, yeah.

Okay. Okay. Hold on for a second. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. I want you to give me a percentage of toxic I can be. 100%. I'm not fucking with it. No way. No way. Okay. 50. No, no, no. No. I'm telling you, if I'm, okay, if I can be 100% toxic, you're not going to like what I'm going to say. Okay. Then do what you can.

Okay. I can't be the first. If you reformed, I'm probably not going to want to be the first person that you reform. Like, you need a. I'm not. Look, I'm going to be, because here's my thing. Here's my thing. It's like a situation. This would be any situation. Let's say we was at Disneyland. And I wanted you going to Space Mountain.

And you said, I don't ride roller coasters. I'm going to ride them. And I'm like, oh, that's fucked up. I really want to ride the roller coaster. It's like, we want to experience it with you. And you go, well, I used to ride it with my ex. Hey, I know you don't want to ride the roller coaster. used to ride the bitch with your ex.

I can't not in some way go, well, what the fuck made you get on the roller coaster with this nigga? And now... And that's what he says. You off the roller coaster and you don't want to ride it. I get it. I'm not supposed to... You are human. Like I said earlier, you are human.

You don't want to ride Space Mountain no more. But it probably wouldn't be a good feeling for me to know that you used to ride the fuck out of that motherfucker and you don't want to ride it no more now that I'm here. And that's what he said. I've given you everything and you just gave it away to these people who didn't care for you. He hasn't given her everything. It's been, what,

four weeks? But this is what he said? Because is he overreacting? Because he said, I've given you everything, everything, and I care about you. And you gave it away to these people who didn't even care about you the way that I did. And you want me to wait. And I'm tired of being the

nice guy. And this is when he starts crying. Is his reaction warranted? No. His reaction is preposterous, but I do understand it. So his reaction is preposterous, right? The reaction of the, you know, I'm the nice guy, and he threw a tipper tantrum because you

threw that. So you can't, you can't do it that because she wouldn't let him hit. He threw a tip or tantrum because she wouldn't let him hit. You can't do that. Like, you can't do that. Now, if I was her, I wouldn't let him hit, period now. Because now I was like, now it's- Now, she comforted him. She was like, let's talk about it.

I was like, man. It's good. So you can't do that. But I know if I'm giving him the respect that a human deserves, it probably does feel like, I was just going to be honest with you. This is the way sometimes you feel. People feel like if you was a freak for everyone else, I want you to be a freak for me because that shows me that you, that you're not rejected your freakness when you see me. But can it just be that I want to do something with you I haven't done because I want to, this is, this, the way we're doing it is a little bit more sacred and so I want to

there is that argument too I don't know but it's come out to the audience that he admitted that he picks and eats his boogers we've seen him you could probably tell that by the way he responded he was making out with the floor at one point on the show that's what she sees and so

the bigger thing is we got to have Jesse Wu on the show because Jesse Wu had this great thing about how like black women again they playing with black women on reality TV they had no business casting Edmund is what she was saying They use Edmund to make a fool out of a black woman. Look, look, you are not entitled to anybody's body.

That's true. You're not. You're not entitled to anybody's body. But a natural reaction would it be like when he said he's the nice guy, once again, this goes exactly back to what we're saying. He has all of these perceptions about the kind of guys that win. That's true. And the perception, because these perceptions are put forth by men and by women, right?

Like, I wouldn't be sexually attracted to you. Because he vulnerable? No, because it, no, no, no, no. I'm joking. I'm joking. No, bro. Bro, hold on. I just got to say something. We could not stop laughing last night watching it.

Man, this is, you shouldn't, but see, we only laughing at this man. No, because I watch the whole thing. You don't understand. So you can't do it this way. If you're going to cry over the pussy, you got to be boys to me. Just give me a little piece. Yeah, it's a little piece. Sean Stockman.

Shout out Sean Stockman. Sean Stockman could probably cry because then he's going to sing a beautiful song and it's going to melt her. Boys to men have feelings. That's why I love them. Sean, Nate, Warnier, bass. They have feelings.

On bending knee. I don't remember them crying. Let me get these brothers credit. They're from Philly. I don't remember them crying. But if you could cry, if he would have sang, like,

I'm on bending knee. If you're just saying, bend in knee or you know what he could have saying too, son that gets me going, since I was telling you, I cried earlier. If he would have sang, visions of a sunset.

from the Mr. Howard's Opus Siles track. Yeah, yeah, yeah. If he just saying that joint. But, nah, man, you can't do it like that. We're not telling you. We will keep you updated on new episodes. Oh, I'm in now. New episodes drop.

Just start from there. That was episode six. New episodes dropped Wednesday. Last thing I'll say. We'll talk about that. Last thing I say about that is that all of that, he got pressure into doing that. That was the patriarchy and the thing that he got pressure. It was.

He got pressured by the other guys, you said, into going in there. No, the other guys were like, respect. her. They were just telling their stories. The other guys were like, you know, it's a conversation. Oh, have you been intimate? The women do it too. And then he's like, nah, she wants to wait. But he was like, how am I supposed to wait? And they were like, but if that's, it's only four weeks. If that's what she wants another guy's like, I've waited months before. So. And what she says is, she's like, I've made a guy wait nine months. He's like, but you have one night stance. See, you know, it's so hard because the real answer is if she decides,

I don't know. If she decided, it would, I'm just being honest with y'all. It would feel a way if I was, if I became proof of concept of your abstinence, that would feel a way.

I would be like, well shit, I don't make you want to, it would feel better if it was the other way. If it was the other way and it was like, you know, I really,

really have been on this walk of abstinence and celibacy and all of this and making away. But our connection is just so that I just want to share, this with you. Then you're going to feel, on the other way, it feels like, well, shit, remember what the nigger said in the wood? Remember what he said in the wood? Man, you let that niggery hit, and I know I look better than that.

Yeah, I hate it. That is the funniest line in that movie. Man, you let that niggery hit, and I know I look better than that nigga. We got to go. I'm like, don't. We're tapped in now. The love is blind. Oh, we tapped in. I'm more into the, I want this guy on the podcast. You can't, he had nervous breakdown. He did. You can't do it that way, dog. I swear to God, man.

I'm not trying to be toxic, bro. You can't do it that way, my nigga. We're not to that point yet. I'm fighting for you. I'm fighting for you. We're 10 years away from having a having a...

I remember when... I'm sorry, we laughed so hard last night watching this. I remember when we was in eighth grade and you got to run the film strip for Greek mythology class. And one guy, I'm not going to name his name. He was about to cry because the teacher wouldn't let him run the film strip. I just remember, I put him to the side.

I was like, bro, these niggas is going to beat you up. Don't cry over the film strip, bro. Don't, like, I get it, bro. Don't cry over the film strip, man. This nigga wanted to talk about Zeus. All right. He was, he cried. He's like, man, you said it was my time.

I'm like, bro, these niggas, and they will. beat you up. Don't cry over the film strip. You can't cry with the film strip. One day, but not today. Tell you think gaps off, and you guys offender. I'm Valerie from June. I'm Rachel and Lindsay. Bye, guys.