Higher Learning with Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay - Van Lathan Wins an Academy Award for Best Short Film

Episode Date: April 27, 2021

Major congratulations are in order as Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsey celebrate Van winning an Oscar for Best Short Film (00:43), and recap an awards night they’ll never forget. Plus, several states are making it easier to harm protesters (23:54), Tyrese has social media abuzz after shaving his partners privates on Insta (34:38) and Dr. Umar Johnson’s got some opinions (43:31). And finally, is there a Cult of Blue Face? (1:02:09) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Yo, yo, yo, thought warriors. What is up? Higher learning is on. And we are playing hurt today. It is I-van-Laythin. It is I-Ban-Laythin. Hold on. Let me redo this real quick.

Yo, yo, yo, thought warriors. What is up? Higher learning is on. You got some good energy at the top. It is I, Van Lathan. And it is me, Rachel Lindsay. but I would like to do these intros over again because it is no longer I, Van Lathen.

Go ahead. You know, you added a little something to your name overnight. Go ahead and reintroduce yourself. It is Academy Award winning producer Van Lathen. And it's little old me, Rachel Lindsay. Shut up. Oh!

That's the energy that we're bringing in. We are hurting. It was a, we had a good night. I'm so happy that I was able to join you and celebrate. I was like, are we ready to go? Y'all, the Oscars is over. I got, I got somewhere to be. I got places to be.

I got to go celebrate my co-host and his accomplishments. Van, how does it feel? For adults with Crohn's disease or ulcerative colitis symptoms, every choice matters. Trimfaya offers self-injection or intravenous infusion from the start. Tramphia is administered as injections under the skin or infusions through a vein every four weeks, followed by injections under the skin every four or eight weeks. If your doctor decides that you can self-inject trumphia, proper training is required. Tramphia is a prescription medicine used to treat adults with moderately to severely active Crohn's disease

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get checked for infections and tuberculosis. Tell your doctor if you have an infection, flu like symptoms, or need a vaccine. Explore what's possible. Ask your doctor about Tramphia today. Call 1-800-526-7736 to learn more or visit Trimfairadio.com. Well, it feels wow. I have something. to read right now. They just hit my email. Perfect. Great.

This is a statement from Sharon Weston-Broom, who is the mayor of Baton Rouge. Wow. Hometown hero. Millions of Americans tune in to the Academy Awards each year. This literally just came in to my, wow, man. Millions of Americans tune in to the Academy Awards each year, eager to learn. the fate of the star-studied lineup of nominees. These talented individuals are recognized

for their talent within their craft and the role that they've played in successful projects. This year, one of our very own Baton Rouge natives has been recognized with his honor. I would like to formally congratulate Van Lathen on receiving an Oscar for his role as an executive producer and two-distance strangers. This piece competed against four other works

within the live-action short film category. Our community here in Baton Rouge is immensely proud of Van Lathen's accomplishments. He continues to show the world what our residents are capable of achieving. I encourage our community to join me and congratulating him for this outstanding achievement. And may we all continue to strive to showcase the excellence of our city in Paris. Thank you, Mayor Broome. Thank you, Courtney Scott.

Thank you, Walter, Gino McLaughlin. Thank you, thank you, thank you to everybody. Thank you, thank you. You got the keys to the city. Keys to the city. Yeah. The night last night was phenomenal. I thought I didn't care.

It turned out I did. Roll the tape. Trudy, roll the tape. You know, honestly, I just don't care. I just don't care. Now, after you roll the tape, please put a steel shot, a van in tears. Who was the first person who told you that you were nominated for an Oscar? It was Kalika.

Five in the morning? Yep, she pounced. Tears, crying. She pounced by a little mouse. And she goes, Van. it happened. You nominated for an Academy Award. She pounced.

And I literally went, oh, that's dope. And then I turned over and, like, went back to sleep. Woof. I didn't think that I cared. And the way that they did it, thanks to Riz Ahmed, because he didn't, he didn't give us very much, like, suspense. He was, like, read off all the nominees. And it was like, and the winner is too distrust.

And it was just crazy. just a once in a lifetime feeling an opportunity, probably, hopefully won't be a once in a lifetime feeling an opportunity. But it was just an amazing ride. And then to see everybody come around, man, to have you there to see Kalika and you and Trudy, Jason, play a proof crew. I'm so happy I met one.

Ian came through just to be surrounded by that type of love, man. It was just, it was really an amazing experience. And we partied. We partied and event. vaccinated setting and then we went to another place where we had to get COVID testing before we went. This stuff is really serious. And then we went to the Jews in the Black Messiah Party, which had, you know, which had some people there. You know, I was like, quite a few. Yeah. I mean, like,

it wasn't, the population wasn't that big, but it was like, the notables were big. You know, there were some people in the building. So it was, it was cool, but everything was was safe and responsible and distance and COVID protocol friendly. Everybody was tested. It was just an amazing night. It was a great night. It was a great night. And it was great to have you there, Rach.

I was so happy when you got. I was so happy when you showed up. Thank you, Van. I was, first of all, I screamed when you won. I don't know why I didn't think that they were going to air it. And so I kept looking for updates on my phone. And then all of a sudden, they were, they were, it was up. And I screamed.

And of course, I'm here on set at extra. And they bring in a camera. And they're like, explain why you're so happy. And I was like, Michael host just wanted Oscar, blah, blah, blah, blah. And then they were like, call him. And I was like, okay, he's not going to pick up. But I facetimed you. I was like, he's not going to pick up.

So I'm like messaging you. I'm messaging Kalika. I wish I could have been there. I saw the video. I've just, I'm thrilled. And I walked into your party saying, we. won an Oscar. We did.

I was telling people that. I was like, yeah, we won. Yeah, Trayvon and Martin going there, Trayvon speech, man, Trayvon Free,

what a genius, was absolutely amazing. And then just to see somebody on the Oscar stage, on the stage, the Oscars go, thank you to Van, all our producers,

then to hear your name, Van Lathen, come from the stage at the Oscars. Martin Desmond Roe, our director, never know what that did for me and for the rest of everyone. To hear your name come from the Oscars. It's insane.

When you have a moment like that, do you think about all the people who doubted you? Is it kind of like, I guess that's what I would do? Right. Like, I don't know. Is it kind of like I said it was going to happen. It happened. So many people doubted me. I'm just trying to step into your shoes of like what that feels like.

No, I don't feel that way. But, of course, me holding the Oscar and I tagged the picture, TMZ. Did you really? Yeah, I did. I did miss that. Yeah. It was more of me just goofing around. Okay, you were so petty.

I can't say it. Like, it was more just, it's me with the Academy Award, and I just tagged it at TMZ TV. It was more just me goofing around. Like, hey, it's because it's interesting. I know that they're not going to cover that. And the little brother in me gets, like, hyped about stuff like that. It's like if there's something in the room or in the air that I know they're not going to address or not going to be like, hey, one of our staples that was on the show for nine years won an Academy Award. Congratulations.

If I know that that's not going to happen, I got to needle you about it. It's all love. It's all love. And there's so many of my coworkers from TMZ have reached out. They've been really super, super supportive. But since I know that there's going to be like a stiff upper lip about it, it's just like, hey, guys, you can't deny the fact that this happened.

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Visit weathertech.com today. Yeah, but like, look, we could talk about our part of the night. But, you know, there were other awards that were given out at the Academy Awards last night. And there weren't. And there weren't. Your favorite moment, beyond two distance strangers winning, what was your favorite moment from the night? It was a pretty boring night.

And I'm saying that as somebody who had to cover it. And so, so like you, obviously, you guys winning for your film. And just also with everything going on, it was just so nice to be thrilled about something. I thought to myself, when is the last time that I've just been overjoyed about something? And it didn't even happen to me. So that, yeah, that aside, I would have to say Glenn Close, dropping an F-bomb and doing the butt. What about Daniel? You ain't like Daniel's speech?

I'm, okay, I'm personally salty that I didn't get to interview him. I was so, I loved his speech. I was eager. I interviewed him for Globes. Only a certain number of people got to interview him. I was so disappointed. Yes, Daniel was great. He was clearly, I don't, he was excited.

I don't know if he was caught off guard talking about his parents having sex and they created him. And he was. His mom's reaction to that was the best. She's like, what did he just say? I think he was, in the press room, someone asked him about it, of course. And he said, oh, my. my gosh, fuck,

I shouldn't have said that. That's what he said. So yeah, that was a moment of trying to think of what else. I love that her won for her song. Amazing. Because that song is beautiful

if y'all don't know it. What else was a moment? I mean, I guess I was shocked a lot. Like I really thought either Viola Davis or Andrea Day were going to win for best actress. Really?

I did. That was a shoe in. I thought the film was a shoe in, but I didn't think that Francis, I haven't seen the movie, but I just thought they were going to give it to either one of them, just in listening to the buzz that people were talking about it. And then, of course, everybody thought, you know, the late Chadwick Boseman was going to win for Best Actor. And they even changed the format of the show because they thought that's what was going to happen. Right. So let's talk about this. Normally, Best Picture is the Peace de laistance, the last

award that's given out at the Academy Awards, but this time they decide to give Best Actor last, and that's because most people, 99.99% of the people expected that Chadwick Bozeman would win Best Actor from Myrani's Black Bottom. He did not win Best Actor from Irony's Black Bottom. Anthony Hopper.

one best actor. Anthony Hopkins was not at the Oscars. The ending of the show was completely disjointed because of this. They basically whisked things away into the nether realm of television. The show didn't end so much as it dissolved. Yeah. It just disintegrated after that. And for us that were watching at our little viewing stations,

we were all still elated from having won. But then we were also shocked and disheartened and disappointed. Chad with Bowesman not winning the Academy Award. So I haven't seen the father. So there's no way for me to really judge whose performance was better on its merit. I can't. I'll be honest with you. I can't.

but I just hope that people understand that chat with Bozeman will now never win an Oscar. I don't think that there's anything else posthumously that was always hard for me to say that's coming out. I'd have to look. But if there isn't forever, like forever. Right, right. like his opportunity to have Academy Award winner next to his name, even in death, is gone.

And I haven't seen the father yet, so I can't judge it on his merits, but Anthony Hopkins, who is a fantastic actor, as good as there has ever been, he better be fucking fantastic in it. Yeah. I'm going to check out this weekend.

He better be fucking amazing in it. because if he's not, that is just a major, major, major, major letdown from the academy. I just think it is, period. It doesn't matter how great he is in the movie. It's what you just said. And it also...

So you don't even care if Anthony Hopkins is legitimately better than Chad will both in the movie. No, I really don't think... Because I know Chadwick had an amazing performance in that role. It's not like he sucked and they, and he was nominated because he passed away. he had an outstanding performance. I'm not going to watch the father.

I cannot watch movies about dementia. It just hits too close to home. I don't watch those type of movies, but I guess the emotional aspect too. And he had been sweeping that category in every other awards show. So it just seemed like it was... I think except for the BAFTAs.

Okay, except for the BAFTAs. But it seemed fitting that he was going... The same way people talked about Nomadland, And people talked about Chad Book Bozeman being best actors. So it was disappointing. You didn't like it. And look, it's sad. It seems like another unfair chapter to the end of Chadwick Bowman's life.

It not just obviously to us, but to his family and to everyone that loved them so much, It was even though the way we lost our brother, literally, there was something that came out, pictures that came out and he was a little thinner. No, not a little thinner. He was a lot thinner. And people were wondering sort of what was going on. And then one morning we woke up and Chadwick was just gone.

Right. Like he was just, he was just gone. And so for me, that, the shock of it almost mirrored that. It's like his picture was up. and you expected to see his picture be there at the end and in an instant he was just gone and the whole thing and the whole energy and the whole momentum behind it

and the whole moment of getting to celebrate his life one last time on that type of stage was gone. But how do they make a mistake like that? For them to change the whole format of the show, you would think they were doing it because it was going to happen. I don't understand how this mistake was made. Then they shouldn't have changed the show. I mean, they shouldn't have, but they can't,

they can't control, they can't control the voting. Well, then just keep things the way that they are. I mean, honestly, I thought that's why Brad, that's why Minotty won, Best Supporting Actress won. Manati. Minotty.

Minotti. I just thought you said, Manati. No, Minotti. I might have, but Minotti. Brad Pitt presenting her the award. I was like, oh, he's presenting it because he produced that film. She's going to win.

You know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah, so that was it for the Oscars. I mean, don't go hostless again, you guys. It was, you need a host. You need a host. You need a host. Yeah.

Like an evil spirit, you need a host. I don't want to hear three-minute speeches. I don't want to hear these presenters go on these long rants. I don't want to see it. Give us a host. Did you, when you were a kid, did the judge ever talk to you guys about being possessed? When you talk about a host, if the judge ever tell you guys, like. I don't remember having a conversation about being.

He never told you that evil spirits would get inside of you. Well, I mean, I don't think, I don't remember that conversation specifically, but sure, I'm sure it was a conversation that we had. I mean, we saw the exorcist at a very young age. No, that's letting Satan in. So we went to the Jews of the Black Messiah after party. We were there. There were people that were in attendance.

It's not going to put anybody's business out there. but Daniel Kalulia and Fred Hampton, Fair Hampton Jr. was there. I got the thrill of a lifetime, which was to talk to Fred Hampton Jr. You did? Oh, we chopped it up for a long time. Like for a long time, we chopped it up.

I literally, I literally, Rachel was, y'all, Rachel was lit last night. I remember, I literally. What? You and Trudy, Joseph. Didn't you just say you weren't trying to put people's business out there? Nah. Not other people, but people that were with me,

I definitely put that. You, Trudy Joseph, Kalika, all y'all. Let me tell you. I scratched that itch. It had been a long time. I started hearing the music. I said, is that the bar? Is that so-and-so?

Uh-huh. I do remember you saying to your manager. Uh-huh. Is that Fred Hampton, Jr.? I remember that, and then I thought, that was it. I think I went to the bar. So I made my way over there. He came over.

Oh, that's amazing. And we talked. We exchanged information. It was an amazing moment. And it was great to see at that party, so many of the people from the movement actually get in love. They were actually getting love. And Daniel and Daryl and everybody else who was there from the film,

they made sure that they loved on these people who sacrificed. Franthampton's mother was there. Fred Hampton Jr's mom was there. Fran Hampton's, his girlfriend, that, you know, when they had passed away, the mother of his child, but he had passed away. So it was just good.

It was good to see that that kind of energy in the air, although you could tell that people were disappointed about what had happened with Chad with Bowesman. It was just a, it was a fantastic night. We had to talk our way, you know, into the park. We got, oh, Van and Rachel. I said, oh, wow. Oh, I was like, hey, Van, Rachel.

Hey, Rachel, you guys can all, all you guys can go. I was like, oh, shit. We got the juice. You're telling me we got the juice. There's two kinds of people that go to parties. Some who take advantage of the moment and have opportunities of a lifetime and others who get lit. Get lit. Get lit.

I was celebrating you. Can we talk about something else, though? Have we finished our Oscar conversation? We are. Yeah. My dear husband brought this to my intention. Your dear husband, shout out for my name. I also can't wait for you to see

Oscar award winning talent Van Lathen on my new TV show, Hip Hop Homicides on Wii TV. Where's that coming from? 50 cent. 50 cent. Yeah, 50 cents. So now that it's out, I mean, you got a full post. I said, I was like, damn, he's killing it. That's literally what my car.

comment was. I don't be honest with you. I don't know if 50 was supposed to do that. Well, he did, and now we're going to talk about it. I don't know. At first, I thought he was trolling you. I just saw the picture. And then I read the caption.

I was like, okay, this is for real. I don't know if, I don't know if 50 was supposed to do that. Well, that's something we have taken. He hasn't taken it down. Hey, shout out to is all good. Is his show. Shout out to 50. Shout out to Mona Scott Young.

He's literally promoting all y'all. Joey badass. Can't wait to see. see him in my new TV show, Raising Canaan. He's letting everybody know. Right. I need to get in with 50. Yeah, now, 50.

50 amazing. Shout out to 50. Shout out to everybody over at Bono to me. We are, there's some stuff that we're working on. You know, I don't know that all the, the eyes are dotted. He said green light.

He said green light. Right. You've been lit. Right. I don't know if all the eyes are dotted and the T's are crossed, but, you know. Were you going to be a narrator? Nah, I think I'm like the host. I'm like the host guy. I'm like, the concept for the show is amazing.

And so I don't know how much I can even really talk about because I don't know if we're supposed to be talking about that. But yeah, it's amazing. I didn't know if they put that up. Well, shit, give us the exclusive. The exclusive about what it is. We're literally still working it out. Like we're literally still working it out. Still working it out.

This is the second person I know personally that 50 has done it is doing a TV show with. The other one is my girl Nicole Lynn. What does she do? What does she do? Sports agent. Oh, she's amazing. Yeah, right? Right?

She's amazing. I don't know how she does it all. She is outstanding. Dude, what do you think about that statement? I don't know how she does it all. You know. I don't. I don't.

What's wrong with that statement? No, I don't like that. when people say that. Why? I don't know how you do it all. That's like, you know, people, I don't know what people, I don't like when people say that. Like, people invented the space shut why. Can you tell me why? Can you tell me why? You can. You can. You get it done. I, I, I have a lot on my play too, but I look at other people. I'm like, I don't know if I can do that. I'm sure I could do that. I'm sure I could do. I don't know how she doesn't know. I don't like it as a compliment. I don't know. Well, I'm sorry. I don't know how you do it all. I don't know how you do it all. I'm

saying it every time. I could be doing more. So yeah, shout out to 50. Shout out to Mona, shout out to everybody. Mona Scott Young? Mona Scott Young, yeah. That's who you working with?

Yeah, on this show, yeah. What is, now I really want to know what this is about. TV show, hip-hop, homicide. So it's true stories? Yeah, it's funny. I see you like narrating. Yeah, like host, like date line.

Narrating, I'm looking, I'm looking at the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, it's like, it's like, it's like, I can't, I love this van. His glow up is real. All of this stuff. And then there are other people that are like, yo, I really miss him on TMZ. And I, I, I didn't know that 50 was going to do that, man. Shout out 50. Shout out 50, man. Shout out 50.

Okay. Your glow up. My glow up. I don't know what that means. I don't know, I don't know that I, you've been. You've been, you've been, like, you work hard. You've been in doing this for a minute. Glow up.

Yeah, we're just. Like, you put in the work. Yeah, we're doing, what we're doing is our best. That's what we're doing. We're doing our damn just, we're doing our best. I don't know how you do it all. Shut up. Trayvon, Martin, I love you.

You guys, thank you for all the well wishes. Thank you for all the fans of hard learning. I've reached out about everything. Chadwick, we love you. We're going to take a break. Want to support your gut health? Take Activia's gut health challenge by enjoying two Activia yogurt today for two weeks and see if you feel a difference. With billions of probiotics and 20 years of scientific expertise,

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So Oklahoma, Florida, a couple of other places. Oklahoma is crazy because under a new Oklahoma law, a driver will no longer be liable for striking or even killing a person if the driver is fleeing from a riot, okay, under a reasonable belief that fleeing was necessary to protect the motor vehicle operator from serious injury or death. I want you guys to understand what that means. That means in Oklahoma, it is going to be legal to kill a protester with your car. Because all you'll have to do is say, I was afraid and I mashed on the gas and this person is dead.

And there'll be a law on the books, a law on the books to protect you. Who's going to protest knowing that they can be killed legally in the state of Oklahoma now? This doesn't make any sense. It literally says under if they're fleeing from a riot under a reasonable belief that fleeing was necessary to protect the motor vehicle operator from serious injury or death. How much does a car weigh? A couple of tons. How are you in C. How are you?

I actually don't know. But no, it's definitely tons. So how am I feeling threatened that I'm going to get hurt from a riot or, or, or. a protester or that I'm in, that there's seriously bodily injury or, or a threat to me or death in a car. Well, they could take over your car. No. If you got like a hundred people.

If you were in a car, if you're in the car, you can do more harm. Hello, we've seen it happen before. You can definitely do more harm. Yeah. So I just don't understand. I just don't understand this law. I mean, I know why they're doing it, but this just makes no sense on the books. You are the threat in your car to a crowd of people.

Yeah. So this, Iowa also is kind of doing this as well. And Florida, Governor Ron DeSantis, they, he signed a broad anti-prote test measure into law that does the same. Now, this is creating civil immunity for people to drive into crowds. So guys, listen, I know out there you're hearing this and you're thinking to yourself, hey, um, You know, this is more injustice and this is what we're fighting against. This is, and I get it, and you're not wrong. This is injustice. This is what we're fighting against.

But this is also giving Americans carte blanche to kill each other. It's just very, you see stuff like this and it makes it harder to disbelieve those ideas about shadowy white supremacist figures who are purposely in the background or sometimes, in the foreground, going through all these machinations to kill, hurt, maim, harm, and oppress black people. A whole group of people in the country wants us to believe that that's not true.

But look at what's, look at the laws that are on the books right now. I would be hard press for anyone out there that's listening to this, right? Who knows if anybody, who can come on here and defend this to us? I want to know why this is needed. If there's anybody,

anyone, anyone out there who can in a credible, salient, and intelligent way come on this podcast. I don't care who you are, this podcast, and tell me why this is needed. Tell me about incidences of people being pulled from their cars. Tell me how prevalent that is. Tell me how unsafe motorists are when protests are going on. Tell me the imminent harm that a protest does. In this case, they're using the word ride, but we know what they're talking about does to people in their automobiles. All right.

And I want to see real deal statistical analysis of this over a long period of time. Yeah. Because we've had uprests every couple of years throughout this decade, definitely in the 90s. So I don't feel like there's any way, any way at all to sort of justify something like this. And I can tell you what's going to happen is somebody's going to die as the result. of this law. Absolutely. You're giving, you're giving civilians the power to take the law and take control into their own hands. There are criminal laws against rioting. Let that work. If someone's rioting,

don't give it, don't give the power to the people to do what they want to. This is as bad as like, stand your ground laws. Like, this is, this is terrible and it's going to end badly. I would love, I love the idea of somebody coming on here. Love the idea. Look how you just said that. Look how you just said that. you just put, you don't love that idea. You want to fight somebody. I just saw what you just did. With my words.

I love the idea of somebody coming on here. I saw the head till. It'll be a hostile environment. I know what that means. Well, come on. Who do you want? Who do you feel like who do you want? Whoever back governor, governor, oh boy from Oklahoma.

Oh boy. Let's bring the governor. The honorable old boy from Oklahoma. Come on here. I don't remember his name. Bring him on. Yeah. it's, uh, it's, it's interesting because here's the Pandora's box that something like this opens up.

So there's a never ending cycle of violence and unrest that we're in, right? Right. We're mad. The cops are on edge is where it starts. The cops are on it on edge because of systemic inequality and white supremacy and the belief that black people or some sort of marauding criminal force that are going to end up destroying life as we know it in America. The cops are on edge because of decades and decades of white supremacy and their

futureed history and how they got their start and what it is they've been utilized to do in communities all across the country. They're on edge. They don't value black lives, okay? So they don't value black lives. So they then kill. They kill. Then we protest.

We protest. They get more on edge. because in our protests, we have to do what it is that we have to do to let America know that we're not fucking around, right? And things always go to 10

because that is the language of the people that are being oppressed, right? And it just keeps going. It keeps going with no real way to hold the police accountable for what it is that they did in the first place. This is going to be worse because now what we're going to have

is a civilian militia armed with their gas-guzzling vehicles that are, going to be out there playing whack-a-mole with people as they walk across the street with their cars. Now, if you don't think that somebody's not going to take this and use this as an excuse to go out and disrupt a protest with their automobile, you're fucking living in a fantasy world. They already are doing it. They've done it before.

We've seen it happen before. Now they've got the law behind them that gives them the power to do it. Bad stuff. Bad stuff. Definitely bad. But that invitation is real. We haven't had enough conservatives on higher learning. It's something that bothers me.

I know you don't care. You don't want the conservatives on higher learning, do you? I've never said that. Why you keep putting words into my mouth? You have said that. No, I would love to have a conversation with a conservative. You nixed a conservative that was supposed to come on the show. Who?

You want to get into this on the air? Because we could talk about it. You nixed that you definitely, you are. I truly don't remember who this was. I was going to have, or we were going to have, Angela Stanton King on higher learning. I thought you said you didn't want her. That's not, no, that's not the case.

I got to look at the email. I got to go back and look. I thought it was a mutual decision. Okay. Would you like me to, would you like me to bring up the text messages where I was explicitly told, I was explicitly told. I was explicitly told that you that you had said

it was explicitly told that you had said that you did not want Angela Stanton King to be on higher learning she's probably gonna hear this and now she's gonna want smoke with you Oh she listens to our podcast? I don't know she listens to the podcast

but it's gonna it's gonna definitely it's gonna definitely find his way to her yeah so because it was a whole thing it was like Van we just wanted somebody somebody actually pulled me to the side and was like, we got to make sure that we're on the same page about booking guests and stuff like that because we said that Angela Stand was cool.

We reached out to her people. And then it turned out that Rachel didn't want to do the interview. I was like, is Rachel silencing conservative voices? Oh, I said I like the four. I said I like the four. No Angela. But that's all I said. I was like

That saying you don't want Angela Whatever mood I was in I'm going to tell you You know when I said that? It was March 12th Do you remember what I was going through around that time?

Oh yeah I just didn't want to have that type of conversation Angela Stan King We'd love to have you on the podcast Come on. I'll do the whole interview myself See how aggressive you're saying Like you're still drunk

Oh my God. Real talk. We do a mix of a lot, a lot of different topics on this podcast, but we have said from the beginning when we did this show that we were going to bring on more conservatives. I did say no.

I'm taking it back. I'm taking it back. I'm in a better headspace now. Come on. Okay. There you go. Angel Sand King. So did you see this picture of Tyrese?

Is this picture? What did? I did. So apparently Tyrese... That's my man. I see nothing wrong with this. Okay.

This is my man. So Tyrese posts a video to his girlfriend Zellie's Instagram story of him shaving her private areas. She wrote, I will never ever let go of my king, but does your man shave you, though?

Now look, here's the thing. This is obviously This is obviously. Here's the thing about this. Is this so wrong? Is there anything wrong with this? Nope. It's wrong that they posted it. Why? That's what I think people have an issue with. It's like TMI, right? That's, I think that's how people are feeling. It was the angle. Her toes wouldn't stop wiggling. She had her toes wiggling. She's giving us the angle. I don't know. It's like, I don't want to see it. I think that's more of what people. Why is it TMI though? I don't believe in TMI. I don't want to see it. Okay. Clearly, we talked about peeing on ourselves last week. I know you don't have a problem with it. It's one of those things where it was like, you know what? I didn't need to see that today.

And I just think that's, and I think it's because it's Tyrese. I think if somebody else would have done this. Who? Give me an example of somebody who could post a picture. Idris. I think if Idris would have posted the picture with the razor, people would have been like, whoa, okay, Idris. I really think.

Whoa, whoa, whoa. Oh, wait. Tyrese is always up to something. Wait, wait, wait, wait. He is cutting up on Aji-La. So you tell me... He's easy to pick on. So you tell me if Idris Elba posted this same picture of him shaving his wife

that nobody would have a problem with. That's what you're saying. I think maybe some people would have been like, what? Most people would have been like, okay, Idris, we didn't know that about you. I'll give you another example. What the fuck? I'll give you another example. if Bow Wow did this video,

people would have the same reaction that they had at Tyrese because they're always doing something and it's like the low-hanging fruit. It's easy to pick on them. Okay, I'll put you like this. Is there any member of the Fast and a Furious franchise that could do this and get away with it

because you just mentioned Ba-Wawa. Bawa just caught some strays. He's not even in it. You just mentioned Bowowow and Tyrese could ludicrous do this and get away with it. Maybe. You think ludicrous could do it and get away with it. But you say, just give me another example of somebody

who can shave their wives, their wife's genitals on Instagram and then get away with it. Who else is smooth enough for this? Because this is a different level of smooth. Because that's really what I'm getting from you. What I'm getting from you is, the act itself is not really too much information.

Like what you said, it's just that it's Tyreece. For some reason, this man doesn't have the right to shave his girlfriend's genitals on Twitter. You know, people get, you know, partners, partners do what they want to, you know. I've asked for, little trim trim.

Really? What? What kind of shit is going on over there in the Lindsay Brian home? A trim, trim? Why would you do like what? That is insane. Me and Collega, not close enough. We need to work on our relationship, obviously.

Yeah. A little trim trim. So, so. Not with, yeah, go ahead. With like, with like scissors. I've done scissors Why? Do you guys shave each other?

No. Just him shaving you. This is some weird freak shit is what's really going on. I actually I wouldn't let anybody else shave me because it's like it's a real ritual for me. Well, there you go. You have a whole thing surrounding it.

Yeah. Some people don't. A lot of people don't. So you, so you're a real. a hypocrite because this actually happens in your real life. I am not a hypocrite. What did I say? I said it's not a problem that he's doing it. We don't

all need to see it. That's what I said. I would never film it. Did you let Brian shave you in the fantasy suite? Is that why? No. Can you think about that? That's a good fantasy suite. Think about the fantasy suite if there's no sex. Think about

how weird like Matt James is talking to Rachel. He's like, I don't know sex, but I do need a trim. I think I would laugh and I would do it. I would be like, okay, and I would do it. In the fantasy suite, you would do it? Okay, that didn't happen. I think I would start laughing. Yeah.

Yeah, you know, trim, trim. It's not that bad. It's because it's Tyrese. You know this. What about Tyrese makes it that he can't? Because he's always doing something on social that starts trending. You know what I mean? Are you

Now are you saying this because you don't take Tyrese seriously? I've never said that. See, this is what I'm talking about. So I'm asking you. I'm trying to see what the decision is between. The Twittisphere doesn't take him seriously. They're always like, oh, somebody take Tyrese's phone away. Who asks Tyrese to have an opinion on this?

They always do that with him. Black Twitter is always on Tyrese. Man, let Tyrese live, man. I agree. But we didn't need to see that. I didn't need to see it. I do think. It was the steel shot of him.

It looked very clinical, right? It looked very clinical. It looked very like, this is a job to do, and we need Tyrese, pub master. You know what I mean? It looked very clinical. Question, is this romantic? Is it romantic to shave your partner's pubes? No, not at all.

Is it sexy? No. It's not romantic. It's not sexy. What is it? Got a job to do. Hey, I need some help. That's it. I need some help.

I can't get the spot. You can't get the, what about, but isn't there like lasers and stuff that you can use? Yeah, some people, not everybody's into the laser. What is the, what's the difference between the laser and just using, like, the regular? Well, when you laser, you have, like, six or seven treatments, and then, you know, you don't really have to shave again unless you get pregnant because then sometimes you can mess up. Yeah, like maybe like a little bit will come back. but stop. Can I get the laser?

Yeah, I actually have an appointment on Friday. Wait a minute. I'll call it for you. The laser, I could get the laser. Men get it for their for their backs. No, no, no, no, no, I don't need it for that. I got one specific area down there. I don't know why.

Here's the thing with me. I'm really like even like, I'm looking at my underarms here. Like I'm pretty hairless, right? I'm pretty hairless all over my body. Like look at my arms. No hair. You got the stubborn spot? Like no hair, no really hair, but there's two spots that I have more hair than I should.

My upper back, my upper back. Yeah. And then, yo, my pubic area is fucking out of control, man. You can get that laser. Like even to the point to where I, like, I noticed it because when I would be playing ball, it would, when I would be playing ball, the hairs would get tanked. tangled up, you know, and then they would be pulling and it would be, it's very painful. And I actually, I actually did the trim trim trim out of like necessity. And then after you trim it down, you look down there and you see a whole new guy.

You go, oh my God, look at you. You got such personality. You know what I mean? Like, we've been hiding you. Laser. Get it laser. I don't think they can laser me, though. I don't think they can do that.

You can laser anybody with hair. No, but you can. But you can't like lays my balls, right? You can get. That's not, that can't be right. You can't get the balls lays. The skin down there is different. Yeah, I wasn't thinking that.

I wasn't thinking that area. I'll ask. When I go on Friday, I'll ask. Ask them if I can get the laser. Because if I can get the laser like six or seven times and then that's that. Yeah. We're in the building, baby. Yeah.

We'll be. Their whole body's laser. And it's so weird about the, because sometimes I'm mans. where I just shave it down. And sometimes I manscape where I take it all off, like smooth. And that's so amazing

until about the third day. And then when the hair starts to come back in, you like, you dumb motherfucker. Why on God's green earth would you put yourself through this? It's not good. Laser's your best friend.

I'll tell you how it goes. I'll tell you how it goes. All right. Let's take a break. This episode is brought to by Two Good and Company Coffee Creamers. How'd you take your coffee, piping hot, ice, strong, frothy. But if you love rich, creamy goodness and delicious flavor in every sip, try two good and company creamers.

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You don't follow. But you know who Dr. Umar Johnson is. Yes, you brought him to my attention one time because I believe it was him who said you lose your blackness when you marry outside of your race. Yes, Dr. Umar says, I ain't down with Dr. Umar. You don't like Dr. Umar. I don't like that statement. Now maybe, maybe I'm not well versed on his teachings.

So maybe there's something else. But that I don't agree with. Well, there are a lot of other things that some people would label problematic about Dr. Umar, some of his opinions towards the LGBT community. Wow. Some other things that he would say and he said them. So if you want to go out there and you want to get them,

then you can. But you know why he says that you can't be in an interracial relationship and still be down for black people? Do you know why? No. So what he says is what the old Dr. Umar says is that marriage is a big, business decision. This is what he says. He says marriage is a business decision. It's a business arrangement. It's what it is. It's an economic thing. Has nothing to do with love. It has to do with economics.

So because marriage has to do with economics, if you are a black man and you marry, more specifically, it's really not even about you. He says black women, he doesn't judge black women that date white guys. He doesn't judge them. All right. He says he judges black man that day white women because he says that's an economic decision. If you pass away and you leave your wealth to a white guy. white woman, he doesn't think that that white woman is then going to use the wealth that you left her to invest it back into the black community. And how do you know that somebody who can't, I'm paraphrasing what he says, that somebody who can't feel your struggle as a black man is going to be down with you enough to use whatever wealth that you have, whatever wealth, because men

die sooner than women, to reinvigorate the black community. Plus the fact that our sisters are are ill represented in marriage, overrepresented in divorce, according to Dr. Umar, and that part of us not marrying black women is us running away from the black family structure. So all of those reasons, he says that you cannot be respected by him if you are a black man and you marry a black woman. And what do you say to Dr. Umar? Let's talk about what he said on the breakfast. Okay.

Well, he actually said all this on the breakfast club. He said this part too? Yeah, they're going to ask him about that whenever he goes on the breakfast club. Gotcha. Because it's just like it's something so bombastic and you don't hear people say that anymore. So it's just like, Dr. Umar, what do you think about interracial relationship? He's going to give the same answer every time. But people are never going to stop asking him that question.

The answer is not going to change, but they're going to keep asking him in the question, whatever platform that he goes on. He was critical of Joe Biden. He asked why there has. hasn't been an executive order from Biden to protect black people from the police. He notes that Biden and other lawmakers up there have taken swift action as it relates to stopping Asian hate. And he brings up a couple of other things. But he doesn't see that same urgency from the administration, the Biden administration, as it deals with police violence from black people. Two black people, shall say.

Now, this has gone viral. A lot of people agree with Dr. Umar. I'm saying that the Biden administration has not done enough to address this problem, which seems to be getting hot again in America. Do you agree? Well, in the clip, he talked a lot about Obama. He's been on Obama for years. Yeah.

And so, listen, obviously that I'll address Obama first, but obviously Biden is under this type of pressure, not just because of what Dr. Umar says didn't happen under the Obama administration. It didn't happen under Trump's administration, but just because of the current climate of our country, there's a lot of pressure on Joe Biden, especially because the black vote was really influential

in getting Biden picked as the president. So Biden has an enormous amount of pressure, period. And people are going to stay on him and hold him accountable, in a way that they haven't with any other president, I believe, because people are more aware of what needs to be done. People are more involved in politics and reform in a way that they haven't been before. I didn't fully agree with what he was saying about President Obama, former President Obama, because he was very passionate about Obama doing nothing in regards to

police reform, which isn't true. That's what I'm. had the biggest issue with. He is right about him signing that blue alert bill, right about a month after Freddie Gray. But Obama did have a response after what happened in Ferguson. What was his response? Okay. Let's talk about it.

After the shooting of Michael Brown and Ferguson, he established a task force to examine better policing practices. He signed an executive order, and he investigated patterns or practices of misconduct and police departments and entered into a court binding agreements that required departments to correct misconduct. I'm not saying that he did an enormous amount of work in regards to police reform.

I'm not saying that we should just not agree with everything Dr. Umar was saying, but to stand there and say that he did absolutely nothing is false. And so I don't want to continue the narrative that Obama did nothing in regards to police reform. You may not think he did enough, and I'll agree with that. But I'm not going to sit here and listen to somebody say that he did absolutely nothing.

I don't think that that's fair. Okay. The reality is there hasn't really been a president to do anything. I'm not disagreeing with you. Not disagreeing. So to me, and look, I love President Obama for so many reasons, right? I love President Obama for so many reasons. But look, President Obama's not perfect.

He's not a deity. I'm not saying he is. He's just a dude trying to do his best. And sometimes your best isn't good. enough. But don't lie. That's what I agree. He didn't do enough. But don't lie and say he did nothing, because people will watch this clip and then they'll go around and they'll be like, I don't know why we praise President Obama. He did nothing. That's not true. Well, the first thing we need to do is we need to define enough. So what we need to come to terms of is, what is it that we're actually

asking for? Because only when we know what it is that we're asking for, can we really judge about what's being done or what hasn't being done. Sure. Now, I'm not sure that Umar defined that in his breakfast club interview. I'll listen to it again. But if we're talking about, well, right now we have something that a lot of people view as enough or as a start. And that is the George Floyd Violence and Policing Act, okay? The ending qualified immunity.

Okay. These are things. I didn't even know what qualified immunity was under Barack Obama. I didn't know what it was after Mike Brown. I didn't know what it was. I mean, Trayvon wasn't killed by a police officer. I didn't know what it was after Freddie Gray. I didn't know what that was.

I had never heard the term before. I didn't know. Now, I think as an electorate and as American citizens, we understand some of the latitudes that police officers have. Some of the things that they can do. and then I guess get away with them. And we kind of understand what needs to be done to change that system

or augmented to one where accountability is sort of enhanced, right? Where people can get in trouble, they can lose something. The question is, do we have the wherewithal and is there enough integrity in our political system to get that done? in terms of whether or not Obama did enough, well the answer is he didn't do enough. Absolutely.

He didn't do enough. Clinton didn't do enough. Clinton actually made it worse, super worse. Bush didn't do enough. No one has done enough because the cries that you're hearing from not just the black community, but all parts of the American community about the police being overzealous and too militarized have been going on for years, decades. this is nothing new and no one's tried to combat it

because to be honest with you, we have camera phones to get it on tape every time the cops misbehaved. Now we do. Now you kind of see what happens in America. So I don't know. I think that people's expectations for President Obama were pretty high.

Sure. I do agree with one thing that Umar said, though. I agree with, I agree with the notion that there's more systemic change that Barack and Michelle Obama could be affecting. Right now.

Right now. I do think that they've become, to a degree, high-paid motivational speakers and authors and people like that. And I do think that, you know, there are things in Chicago. And by the way,

I'm not saying that they're not doing these things. I'm saying that I just don't know where to go maybe to see them. Obama has the My Brothers Keeper. initiative. He has things that he's done. I'm not trying to take shots at President Obama. You know what? I think that I'm holding him too too high of a standard to. I think that I am. But at the same time, God damn, man, we need help. And he's the one person that cuts across into Americana for us. And you just wonder how much of the power is being used to affect people on the day-to-day basis.

What do you think? I thought it was interesting when he brought that up about like their bull. He said their whole ass lawyers. You said their whole ass lawyers. That was funny. But I thought it was interesting when he brought that up. And then I thought, okay, it's a good point. What could they do? I think other than, because he is speaking out.

And then that's when Dr. Umar was like, you're speaking out now, but you didn't do anything when you were there. Got it. You're right. But what could they do? That was my question is like, I understand what you're saying. They are speaking out. they do have certain initiatives

but I'm trying to think okay we're saying they need to do more but what does that look like what kind of power does he have outside of office other than using his platform to speak out I don't know yeah I don't know either

I don't know either but it's something that we need to kind of we need to figure it out a little bit you know what I mean I just don't feel like saying they should be doing more I don't know what it is I don't even know if you can I don't know what you're doing currently

but you need to be doing more. I just, I don't feel comfortable saying that. I just want to know, like, what's the answer? I do think, though, I do think,

though, that there's a sense, I am in a way disenchanted with the Obamas. I love them. You've said that before, yeah. I love them,

but I am disenchanted with them. Just because looking back on it, and I'm not sure there was a different way that it could have been done. I don't know. I'm not the president. I've never been

in a position. and the effect that many people's lives, but I think we all sort of thought that things would change without us actually changing them. I think hope and change was something that we said, okay, you got that.

That was the theme. And I think that we thought that it was going to be a plug-and-play, paint-by-numbers revolution of American ideals and ideas, and it just didn't happen. As a matter of fact, I think that we had it good for a lot,

little while, mainly because you'll tend to have it better the more ignorant you are. I give you an example. So these things that I have in my heart, the PVCs, right? They're harmless. They're harmless, right? They're not, by all intents and measures, they're not going to hurt me. They're not going to affect the quantity of my life. They're diagnostically insignificant.

And I've basically had them my entire life. I remember going to the doctor in my 20s and going, yo, man, sometimes when I bend over, I jump up, I feel my heart like do a little thing. Or sometimes when I sit in weird positions, I feel like my heart do a little weird thing. They put me up to all of these, uh, different machines and they go,

hey, you're, you're okay. It's like whatever. It's this. It's that. It's like whatever. You're cool, right?

Um, but the moment that I knew what they were, the moment I knew what they were, the moment, and I'm not saying that my cardiologist shouldn't have done this. The moment that I, that someone said, hey, these are called this, this,

this and this. I fixated on them. And when I started to fixate on them, that makes you stressed out. The more stressed out you are, the more they come. The more than, then every day is really about how many are you going to have, right? And so in the case of us, when Obama was the president, we thought it was appropriate like everybody else and said this. This is not novel. I'm not saying anything new to check out.

Now, most people that care about this stuff are like me. and we are fixated on every single thing that happens in government or every single thing that happens in society, we're driving ourselves fucking crazy. Because what we're expecting now, we're expecting to see changes in months and days that are the residual effect of hundreds of years of systemic inequality, oppression and dysfunction. So the question has to become, and this is to Umar, or to whomever else has issue with Biden,

what they're doing and what they're not doing, the question has to become, what is it that you want them to do? If you want them to sign, if you want an executive order to deal with police brutality, what do you want to be in that executive order? And are you talking to Lee Merritt? Are you talking to Ben Crump?

Are you talking to people like that who understand what that is? Have we gone to the administration and said, hey, we need this and this and these, this things addressed in an executive order. Do we know what the powers, and this is not to Umar, this is just period. These are questions that we should all ask and answer.

Do we know what the powers of the president via executive order are to speak to these problems? I know that I don't really know in depth. I don't know what powers the president can wield in an executive order that he doesn't need the legislature for in terms of dealing with this particular issue. So the question is, what can he do? What do we want him to do?

And then what should he do? And that's a conversation we have first. And it's probably a conversation we have indoors, man. It's not one for Twitter and it's not one for fucking, you know, as much as I love them up there. Shout out to my brother, Charlemagne, but it's not one for the Breakfast Club. That's probably one that we have on text threads and in meetings and on email chains and talking to people who are well-versed. in these things. And I think sometimes,

and maybe stuff like this, what Umar did, maybe that'll, that'll light of fire. Yeah. Yeah, but Bacari and other people saw out to Baccarri,

a coworker of us here on the ring of Bacari, you know, he was up there banging on the Democrats, Joe Manchin and those guys today. So we'll see, but it's, it's all very draining and exhausting.

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. And when you put it into perspective of the way you did about why you're, what you're so fixated on, and what you're watching to see what the government's doing, it's almost like, and this is going to sound so pessimistic of me,

but it's almost like you need to almost manage your expectations to be let down. Because if it's years and years and years and years and years of you're waiting for it and you're expecting it to be done in this administration, it's not. Yeah. I mean, it's impossible. It's not, but what's the start though? What would you be happy with? Like what?

We're already starting. What represents you feel that way? What what represents progress is what we got to know. Like there's got to be a barometer or a metric. Well, first of all, we're talking about it in a way that we never have before. We didn't talk about this stuff at all. Like not on not a mainstream, right? Not me watching on CNN right now.

And the main thing we're talking about is protesting in North Carolina right now. That's a main, that's what's been on all day. It hasn't always been like that. So what I'm saying is, is awareness, talking about it is the start, recognizing it. We didn't do that before. But then you got to act on it. You got to act on it. Very true, very true, very true.

I, you know, I'm not, I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I know that I'm just, there's just a reason to run black people blood pressure up every single day. You know? Every day. By the way, guys, there are new shootings out. I don't want to talk about them. We're not going to do them.

Okay. We're not going to do it. Because as your as your cope, I don't even know what to title, but as Trayvon said in his speech, three people will be killed today. Three people will be killed tomorrow and so on. Yeah. When I say that they're coming out

is because they're basically dropping these things like mix tapes of video games. They're just doing it so frequently that it's almost becoming a shock when they don't happen. But I can't talk about this shit every day. I cannot. I cannot at all.

All right, we're going to go back into the world of bullshit just because I think this is interesting. And I have a thought process about this that I want to get your take on. You know who Blueface is? Yes. Tatiana. Yes.

That's the only thing he's to know him for. Why? Why are you all on BlueFace back like that? Like what's her? Keep telling everybody the story. Okay. So Blueface, uh, posted a video of him walking into a couple of rooms. Some rooms have bunk beds in them and asking women about their preparations for getting tattoos.

Um, I'm reading this from a complex article. Is you ready to get your tattoo today? He asked one of the women who was barely awake and laying on a bottom bunk bunk. apparently these women are staying with Blueface and Blueface is a rapper and he gives them the choice, an ultimatum if you will, to either get a tattoo of Blueface on their body

or they have to go home. This is apparently an at-home reality show that Blueface is doing on OnlyFans. It's self-produced. It's called on OnlyFans. It's called the Blue Girls Club. I didn't even know this part.

I just, oh, my God. Oh, Jesus, when you coming back? Christ child. Oh, you little baby, Christ child. We love you so much. I'll tell you what. Blue Girls Club. Jesus, he wasn't in that tomb.

He got up. that man got up and you walked out of there, holes in his hands and he saved the whole world. But we need you. He don't want to come back to this. You don't want to save this. Do you know how many times Jesus has been up in heaven, been like, I think it's time for me to go back.

But he'll look at the earth and he'll go, nah, man. No. Let me let him figure this out. Let me let them figure this out. Blue face girls. Girls. Oh no, Blue Girls Club. Blue Girls Club. So,

apparently all of these girls, they dance, they cohabitate, they get into fights, they get tattoos. Blueface says, I don't have relations with any of these women. The purpose of the show is to develop these women by exercising their temper, attitude,

patience, and composure. Okay? What? I'm letting them use my platform as the second chance to chase their dreams without selling themselves to get by. We are all one family. They just have a past and I want to change their

future. Blueface it seems is Blueface it seems is running what some people call a cult. I think Blueface is like he's brainwashing these ladies. On its face, Blue Girls Club.

Blueface making women getting tattoos and all of that stuff like that. Um, Do you have a problem with this? Is this? I have a huge way, wait. He's having these women come on this show on OnlyFans to better their lives, right? Use his platform.

Are they getting a cut for his monthly fee for OnlyFans? I would imagine that they are. Don't assume for it. He would have said it. I need to know. Whoa, we don't know if he would have said it or not. They're getting, I would assume that they're getting something out of it or else they wouldn't be doing it. I saw how these women were living.

You are not bettering their lives. forget the bunk beds. There were clothes. It looked like it was concrete floor. They were clothes thrown all over the floor. These women were roughing it. They looked, it looked worse than camp. This could this, there's no way that was a, that was bettering their lives. And then to add on top of that, he was branding them. He was branding them with his face. How is that better for their lives? They were getting tattoos on their necks, on their hands, on their face. of blue face, of blue face. You know what?

You know what my thing is? And I always wonder this. I really want to know at what point does it become exploitation? At what point does agency and all of that other stuff disappear? Because, and I'm asking. I'm asking. Because I watch stuff like the, what was it? The nexium.

thing. You know this stuff? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, so I watch like the Vile, right? And so because the Vile is such an in-depth show, it walks you through a very particular grooming scenario that they would use

in Nexium to make women drop their defenses, drop their defenses, drop their defenses, drop their defenses, and before you know it, they're pregnant. It would groom them in a very specific way, in a very systemic way, they would then also get all kinds of collateral on them. And these women were forced to do things

with the fear in them that their deepest, darkest secrets would come out, right? And over a point you see, okay, cool, that's bad. Because a lot of times you see people that go off, run off, and join these things, and you go, hey, if you want to go live in the Shasta Valley Mountains and commune with nature all day with some guru guy, God bless you.

Like, go do it. Like, if he can get 100 people, I would argue that even the people that went to Family Christian Academy down in Baton Rouge that listened to Pastor Swagger, Jimmy Swaggered, I would argue that those people, to a degree, are indoctrinated not just to, not to Christianity, but to Pastor Swaggart himself.

Okay. Like when you, my mom will call them Swaggites. Like, like Jimmy Swagger was a big deal. A nice guy, but was a big deal in Louisiana. So in this particular case, if ladies want to live with blueface and get tattoos, they can't do that? Of course they can. And we can call it a cult. What makes it a cult?

I don't know the exact definition, but it seems like, listen, did you, did you see how those women were living? I did. Did you see how they were living? To me, a man filming them, they were asleep in their beds. He's got a camera in their face. Like nothing looked by that, nothing looked like free will to me in that moment. The way they were living, the way he was bombarding, bombarding him with the camera, like stepping into the room, unannounced, no privacy,

demanding that they, that they show their tattoo, like, show him where they're going to get their tattoos. and then say, and if you don't, you're out. Right. So, like, there's no free will. I mean, I guess you can leave if you don't want it, but you're telling him, you're supposed to be bettering their lives. You're supposed to be helping these women out,

but you're telling them also what they have to do. And it's not like, hey, you got to earn your keep by cooking and cleaning around the house. It's you got to have me tattooed on your face, on your neck, on your hand. Which is lame, right? Which is lame. It's branding.

You got to think, the psychology behind making women, get your face tattooed on them. What about the psychology behind wearing a ring to show the entire world that you're married? Um, first of all, you don't,

that's totally different. How? I can take a ring off. I don't have to wear it. A tattoo is branded on me. A tattoo is worth nothing. Rings are worth thousands of thousand dollars. You're arguing the semantics of it and not the

philosophy of it. What I'm saying, what I'm saying is, it's my choice. You ask me, do I want to marry you? And I choose to say yes. Okay, let me ask you a question. Does Brian have a choice to wear his wedding ring or not?

Yes. So if he doesn't want to wear his wedding ring, you're cool with that. I'm okay with it. Okay. Number one, you're smiling because I don't think that's true. But at the same, at this, at the same time, though, there are many millions of women across the, across the globe. Women and men, women and men, men probably more so than women. Okay.

Men probably more so than women that would be outraged if their spouse or fiance. Yeah, no, I'm kidding. Brian. Didn't wear their wedding ring, right? So that's something that says, hey, we did this. You have to do this for whatever. So what I'm saying is all of this stuff at the end of the day, if somebody is elected to do it because they want to be with you. You're saying it's cult.

You're saying marriage is not a cult, but it is an institution that goes back. It is a commitment that we have made to one another. Right. Those women, they were making comparisons to R. Kelly now on the Twitter sphere. Well, that's not fair because the reason why that's not fair is because if these women are of age, then I would assume that they can make their own choices about whether or not they want to be with Blueface, whether or not they doesn't, doesn't mean that anybody should be exploited. It looks suspect.

It looks, I mean, it looks bad. It's lame and terrible and controlling, but. I'd like to invite somebody who subscribes to his only fans to let us know what's happening with Blue Girl Group. Are these women okay? Actually, can we get one of the girls? Can we get one of the girls? How do we get in contact with them?

I'll hear whack. I'll hear whack. Whack 100 is Blueface. Shout out, Wack 100 is Blueface's manager. I'll hear where I've never met Blueface before in my life. Don't know nothing about no blue face, but I know that Wack manages him. I'll get one of the girls from the blue face situation.

We'll get them and we'll bring them on here. We'll see what they say. We'll see why they're doing it. And I want one that has a tattoo. You want one that got the tattoo. I want one that got the tattoo. So let me, let me ask you this. Let's say that, okay, let's say Hugh Huffner.

Remember Hugh Huffner, he had the three girlfriends? Yes. What did you think about that situation? Three girls. Three girlfriends. He had three girlfriends. They had the three girlfriends who had a curfew. Okay.

Did they have a curfew? You're telling me this. I didn't know all this. Oh, it definitely had a curfew. Okay, I didn't know that. They definitely, they had a curfew. Hep could sleep with whoever he wanted to. Okay.

They couldn't sleep with anybody else. They had to be home by 9 p.m. 9 p.m. They had to be home by. Heff told them what color lipstick to wear, all kinds of stuff like that. Yeah, that sounds bad. That's not a problem with this.

And it also seemed as if he controlled, everything on their lives about their lives inside of the mansion. But people actually like people actually liked and watched the show about these women living that way in the Playboy Mansion. I will tell you, I've seen episodes of the show and I don't remember, maybe they did say it. I don't watch the whole thing. So maybe I missed that episode. But it seemed like it almost seemed like it planted it like it was a glass.

glamorous life that they were living. So you feel like people didn't know what the ladies from the girls next door were going through? I didn't know all of that. I absolutely didn't know all that. But I can't compare marriage to those things. And if you are in a marriage like that, you need to. No, no, my only marriage point was that there are stuff that there is stuff that, you know, you have to wear. It's symbolic.

Yes, it's symbolic. It represents like I'm committed. of blueface's face is symbolic. Well, we'll know when Wack brings one of the girls on. I want one with the tattoo. I want to talk to these girls. I want to talk to these girls I want to know because... Because they didn't look happy.

They didn't look like they liked the camera. Except for the one who was getting the tattoo. You actually saw one getting the tattoo. And it also would be gross if you have a girl that doesn't have anything else and you're giving her a place to stay. Then you tell her she has to get a tattoo to stay. That's what this is. But at the same time, though, there does come a point to where if these aren't minors

and if nobody's being held by force, that you, what? You just talked about NXM. Is that what, that's what it's called. You just talked about how people, they get these people. But they were being held by force because of the collateral. The collateral was a way of holding something over their head to damage them. And you have nothing. And it's almost like it's hanging it over your head.

These women feel like they have absolutely nothing. They're broken. Maybe they're coming to him because this is their last resort. They have nowhere else to turn to. And he's like, listen, you want to stay here. You got to get a tattoo. It's bad. It's a bad.

I've just never seen a situation like this that was good. I've seen a lot of Law & Order SVU. And every single time, there's been a couple of episodes where people got tatted. And it was usually like a pimp, prostitute situation. It was a branding to show that they were property. And that's the feeling that I get with Blueface. They are his property. That's what it feels like.

Yeah, well, well, I can't argue that with you. Can't argue that with you. Interesting discussion. Interesting discussion. All right. Are you ready for Vans' very serious question? Oh, yes, I am. You ready for this?

Yes. Have you been thinking about your answers to potential questions that I might ask you? No. I have no idea what you're going to ask. I don't know how that mind of yours thinks. You have no idea. Do you not have a question? I do have a question, but I like to build it up.

Okay. I like to build it up. Okay. If you could give one animal the ability to speak besides dogs. Damn it. Besides dogs. Okay. One animal, the ability to speak besides dogs.

I'm assuming cats don't count either. Like the household pets don't count. No dogs, no cats. Okay. One other animal, the ability to speak besides them, which animal would you want to be able to speak? Who you want to hear from? Ooh.

Who do I want to hear from? Because they just got so much stuff to say. They do. This is a tough question. I know. It's a very serious question. Do you have an answer? Don't tell me yet.

I do. Who would I want to hear from? I think I would want to hear from. Attacking you. Huh? Go for it. Tell us. Stop solving.

The animal kingdom wants to know. Give it up to him. I don't know why I'm nervous to answer this question. I think, let me preface this by saying there's really no animal that I would want to hear from other than my dog, copper. I don't care to hear. I don't care to hear the opinions of any other animal. I've never been curious to what they were thinking or what they had to say. That being said, I think I'd go with a shark.

Interesting. So you can eat them up just like you ate up Chris Harrison. I want to know how sharks eat people up. Just like you did this man. But like, see, I was thinking of it from the complete opposite way. I was thinking of it from the complete opposite way. If I could hear sharks, then like it could possibly. Prevent Rachel

Yesterday I saw Chris Harrison At the Soup Line with a copy of the autobiography of Malcolm X in his hand I saw I saw Chris Harrison Outside of the unemployment office With a copy of white fragility And he looked downshod

Man text your man He was reading that not that he was in the soup line Listen I think I go to the shark Listen like because the shark could tell you maybe some of the mysteries that are in the ocean. Poor Chris. I didn't say I am a shark. I said I wanted to hear from a shark.

Let's get it. Let's get it right. Okay, what's your animal? What's your animal? Easy. Elephant. I thought about an elephant, but why. I couldn't think of why I'd want to hear about him on.

Because the elephant is wise. We need the knowledge of an elephant. Wait, wait. How do we know that? How do we know that the elephant is wise? The elephant is wise? The elephant is a wise, ethereal, magical creature. No, no, no.

I didn't ask for ethereal and magical. Why wise? Like, I just watched a video a couple of days ago of an elephant giving birth, and then the whole elephant herd coming over, the whole herd coming over to congratulate the elephant that gave birth. They all together, elephants are wise, and they're like, they're like the majestic creatures of the Serengeti. That doesn't make them wise.

Yes, they are majestic. They're beautiful. I'm a Delta. You know, you know elephants are symbolic. It doesn't seem like it. I can't. It doesn't seem like it.

It doesn't seem like it. Whatever I said was going to be wrong. No, no, it's a good answer. A shark is a good answer because I want to know how a shark is like, why a shark is so like,

just like so relentless. You know, I want to talk to a shark because I want the shark to take a break. But it's also going to be very, it's going to be very hard to talk to the shark. because he's in the water. So I don't know how we're going to do that. Like it's tough.

We don't have to think through that. Like I'm sure, yeah, he can talk. Listen, that just reminded me of my octopus teacher. Did you see it win? I thought about you. It won. Yeah, yeah. It's amazing.

I'm telling you, I know how to pick them, baby. I will no longer doubt you. You're an Oscar winner. So this is what we'll do. We're going to do, we're going to take that trailer for your movie Big Rage. and that's the next thing that six feet over production is my production company that produced two-distance strangers me nick may samir hernandez and of course the amazingly talented and beautiful trevon three we're gonna we're gonna produce big rach we got meetings set up all over time when i say we have

meetings set up all over town we have meetings set up all over time i haven't i've been invited to any of these meetings and we're going to set up big rach at one of the studios and i'm going to Kiki Palmer to play you. I love Kiki. Kiki, come on the podcast. You said you would. Kiki, come on the podcast. Get out of here.

All right, guys. Take Ket Kats off, but do not stop learning. Take breaks. Take walks. Lay down. Relax your brain. I am Van Lathan. I am Rachel Lentzy.

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