Historically High - HH 1v1 - Best Movies 2000-2009

Episode Date: September 2, 2022

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Well, that's the same kind of mindset of when someone says, like, the 90s. How long do you feel like the 90s were? They were right there. Like, it literally just happened. It's not 20 plus years ago. No. No. No, whenever you go into like the gas station and you see a little countdown clock for tobacco,

and even though now it is 21s, yeah. Like, the fact that you can be born in like 2001, And you're 21, it's just too much. Slide it. Well, what would the, yeah, the fact that... Slide. Is it slow? It's a slide?

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So this is another historically high. I don't know, what would you call that? Like, we do one-on-ones, but when you have two professors, is that just an academic debate? Yeah. Back in the day, you'd call it a duel, but neither one of us is going to shoot each other, so that's not as cool.

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So this one is going to be a one-on-one debate of the best 2000 to 2009 movies. So 2000s, I guess you would call it. Yeah, we'd call that the 2000s. We just had a lengthy debate about that. So what categories do we have? We'll start off with action. then we'll go comedy then we'll go horror

and then after horror we'll do another wildcard just because there's a lot from that era like those are just three genres there's a shit ton of other stuff so do you when what was your mindset kind of thinking about this was it your favorite movies from okay so was it your favorite

movies when you were in the early 2000s was it your favorite movie that was made during that time or is it what you considered the best representation of that time. I went a lot with, like there's just general popular picks for movies that came out

in that time. Like, I I'm not going to tip picks, but there was... If it's not on yours, just tip it, because I probably didn't do it, because I kind of shied away from anything that was like... You went away from the chalk answers to. I didn't go to, like, top 90s movies IMDB and just like... Well, like... They got to be movies I

legitimately like. They're my 90s picks, like my favorite movies in that time frame. Yeah. knocked up crazy popular. One of the, a very funny Seth Rogen movie. But it's the same time.

How do you, how do you pick yours? Because when I'm like, because I have to go through, do have to go through a list to remind myself what got made in that time frame. And I'm seeing all these awesome movies

and I'm like, but what's the rewatchability of those movies? Like, if that movie's on TV, or I see that movie like on, you know, you know on some streaming service, you can go and it's like on now.

Yeah. Or if I catch it on a streaming service. I'm like, I have to watch that. now. That's kind of my like, that's my linchpin for it. It's got to be something where I look at it. It's on. I got to watch it. I have such a hard time with that though, because like an hour and a half or an hour and 40

minute commitment sometimes. If I'm to sit down and watch a movie, I want to sit down and watch it. I know. But how many of those movies like, it's like one of those movies that you turn on its halfway through the movie and you're like, I know where I'm at. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I'll finish it out. There was a certain time back in the 90s and early 2000s where when there were no streaming services, kind of like we were talking about last night, there were no streaming services.

And you had a, before like direct TV and everything got all hot in the streets, you would have a channel that you would have to go to and it would scroll down through the TV guide. And you would have to sit there and watch and see what channel was on, what show. You think that's dated? that they the channel TV guide came after the actual shit got printed in the page this is going to sound and this is probably going to date me quite a bit but oh I do you remember when the newspaper came and it had the like like they had the actual TV guide yeah but then also for local channels the newspaper would come out and show you like the broadcasting for the week or something like that I don't remember the newspaper I do remember vividly going to my grandparents house and seeing them both sitting in there like a sign chance and because that's the awesome part about being grandparents is you get an assigned chair.

And they're both, they're different. Yep. Yep. Yep. Grandpa had the massaging chair. You don't have to match. When you get to that age, there's no concern about like, well, that doesn't match the rest of it.

It's like, fuck it. Comfort first. I'm almost, I feel like I'm almost to that stage where I'm making a lot of decisions based on comfort. You got a lot of time left. I think there's a point where you know that you're just, you're finite. But I'm already entering that stage where I'm willing to go ahead and. You got dad's chair?

Yeah. Yeah. I can, I vividly remember them talking because my grandpa, huge country, western guy. He'd always be looking at the guy and he'd be like, oh, gun smokes on at seven. Okay. You'd have to look at the guide at that point. At that point, he had to have known gunspoke was beyond a seven. I think it was for like the different channels because they had them everywhere.

It was like kind of almost pre-TV land when you could find all that old stuff. Do you remember walking into a, we talked about this, like walking into a video store like a, a like a Hastings or something like that and being able to burn like an hour and a half. You could just... Easily. Yeah, you just first you walk around and see what new releases are.

Maybe grab one. If the one you want wasn't there, you went back through all the old stuff and rented an old, an old classic, an old standby. Then you could walk through the video game section and see what new releases were there. Then they had all like the merchandise stuff.

Yeah, they had the old action figures and movie posters. They had, I think they had wrestling stuff thing. Oh yeah. Yeah, that was usually my, as a child child, like probably till 10 years old, my first trip into Hastings was directly back to where the wrestling paper views were because we couldn't buy them or didn't have the money at the time. And so I would know, you know, Royal Rumble comes out like three months afterwards on tape. Let's go to Hastings. Let's get it. Let's see it. And I already knew what happened. I just wanted to see it. And if you were inclined,

books. They had comics and books. I bought quite a few books from me. Captain Underpants. I remember buying Captain Underpants at Hastings. And then you had the older section, like with the pot leaf lights. You had High Times that was back there that had the black cover over the top of it, even though it was... Playboys, and I'm sure they'd probably still do with porno mags. Do they still make porno mags?

I think it's... Yeah, because I know Playboy is still around. But I think... They're like editorials and clothes pictures now. Like, it's not what it was. Like, there's no penthouse. Yeah, I still think you have... have your hustler, your penthouse.

I mean, you know what? I think it probably is, too. Don't think of it like, are they making money here? They're probably making a lot of money in places where internet's pretty spotty or there's no internet. Where that's all you got, you're just back to... Yeah, you're back to just, you know, analog. Just beating it analog style. Life is so different now.

I think we grew up in the right time, though. I think we had to earn a lot of our stuff. There's a lot of people now that don't know what a dial-up sounds like. There's a lot of kids that don't know about porno mags in the woods. That boxer bag that you found? Yep. Was yours a box or a bag? Really?

Yeah. And we actually kept it out there. And I remember one of my buddies stealing the gallon-sized Ziploc bags. So we could zip them up in there to make sure that they were all weather and then shoved Women in a tree stump. Mine was in the jockey box of like an old truck that it didn't run anymore. And you just go out to the truck and... Yeah, I mean, it wasn't like an extensive collection.

I think it might have been like two magazines, but... That's all you needed. You'd have them memorized. And it wasn't easily accessible either. It was at a place where my dad's friend worked. So this was like, maybe we'd stop by there every three months. I never was lucky enough to find the bag of the box near my house. See, we made our own.

And that's... Everyone just pooled their resources. Yeah. Everybody would either steal one from their dad or something like that, or you get one from an older brother, and then it would all just go in the cash pile. And I don't know, we could probably still go out there today. I don't know if somebody... That's socialism working.

Yeah. I'm not saying it works for everything, but I'm saying right there, if you need an example of everyone pooling the resources together for the betterment of everybody. It's you giving all your buddies a good time. Uh-huh. All right. So getting back to the task at hand here. this. So, best

2000, 2009 movies. Action, comedy, horror, wildcard. Do you want to flip the old can? You call it this time. I want to go tails. Tails never fails. Okay, you go first. So, first category, action.

And again, I just, I got to go my favorite. It's training day. Training day was just, it was everything. And that's not even like, Yeah, I don't know. 2000s I probably would have been. Give me your breakdown, your pitch on Training Day.

Sell me on this. Like, you learned, for us, we learned about a culture that I'm sure was a little bit played up. Some people may not know what Training Day is, so you might have to give like a brief overview. I'm sure most people listening to this are probably aware what Training Day is. And since the invention of the internet, people can jump on. But I want to hear what you think Training Day is about. Because this is your pick. I'm going to go deep on all these.

I had a little bit of a panic mode where I thought that I chose something from outside of the window, but it was 2001. Okay. So. Wait, so. Oh, okay, got you. Yeah. Like, I thought, I had a little panic because like, shit, was this 99? Was this before that?

But basically, it's Denzel Washington as like an older Southern California detective that ends up getting. He's a narco. Yeah. Well, he's kind of a dirty narco. Oh, okay. But he is a detective that works. I believe it's in South Central L.A. And gets white boy Ethan Hawk fresh out of the academy.

What's his name in that movie? What is he? He always talks about getting wet. Yeah. I always feel like I confuse. Hoyt. Hoyle. Hoyle.

Hoyt? Is it? Jake. Jake Hoyle. Jake Hoyt maybe Okay That actually does sound right Yeah

Always confuse his name And then the name's off That Street King's movie That Keanuer used one Ethan Hawke Wow He's had Oh never mind

They were all the same movie I was gonna say He's had like six movies Where he's got the same name But Fresh out of the Academy Wanting to make a difference in the world Doesn't know where he is

Gets up with Denzel And some Some hijinks Some drug activities and other things to the point to where he... Oh, fuck, I did it. I already said to the point. That's my bad words.

It gets to where he figures out that the streets aren't exactly what he thought. He figured out that sometimes the cops that you work with aren't great. It's got some awesome action scenes. It's got just phenomenal one-liners. Denzel dropping King Kong ain't got shit on me. It's just fantastic.

He drugs him, gives him a little angel dust. ends up waking up. He goes and he plays with his little kid from his illegitimate family. They're sitting there playing video games and watching cartoons. Who is his sidepiece in that? Ava Mendez?

Is it? No. I think it is. Is it? It's got Snoop in it. It's got Dr. Dre. I mean, the cast of character, yeah, it's Eve Mendez.

Okay. Just a full cast of characters that described that area like I say I'm sure that it was a little sensationalized but I'm sure there's a lot of neighborhoods where it's not oh yeah that's probably fairly common yeah that's antoine fuk was the one that I think directed that isn't he that was his big like I think that's one of his his tip of the caps his feathered his cap yep his training him yeah he just did what did he just do oh he just did that terminalist thing on Amazon I think I've heard that that's decent I haven't

watched it all the way through yet but I probably will at some point. That's the kind of show, because I read that. I read that book, actually. It's a good book if you're just looking for, like, it's cool. Like, if you don't go into it with any type of, like, trying to identify it with, like, a politicized angle and just, like, I'm going to sit here and I'm going to read an action movie.

It's a really good, really good book. And it's really detailed. The way he goes into detail about, like, equipment and weapons, it's, like, it's almost OCD, but it's kind of, it's kind of cool. But, yeah, he's pretty good director. Okay. So that's my training day pitch. What X movie you got?

I feel like I can know where we're going here. What do you think I was going to pick? Superhero. No. No? Alfred's not involved? No. Really?

Nope. That's the thing. Like, I had to go back on. You know movies are like my jam, so I really had to go. I figured we were going Dark Night here. Nope. And here's the thing. It's not that I don't like the Chris for Nolan Batman.

movies and everything like that. I think they're good. But as like a comic book fan, I think the, God, I'm going to get off on so many tangents about movies.

The appeal I think of Christopher Nolan's Batman movies is that they're very like real, like, as realistic as you could get with it. I'm sorry,

but man, if I'm reading a comic, I want to see a guy taken on a room full of 12 dudes knowing full karate. Like, I'm not saying that

Zach Snyder's Batman was the best by any means, but I think like, or his movies, is what I'm trying to say, but I think his, portrayal of Batman, kind of the duality between Bruce Wayne, being like the playboy acting drunk, stuff like that. And then also that guy is Batman being able to take like a room

for like 12 dudes with automatic weapons down with like gadgets and karate batterings, all that kind of stuff. He doesn't, the newer Batman's, he doesn't use a lot of devices. Are you talking about like Ben Affleck Batman? Or you talking like Robert Pattinson. I haven't seen the Pattinson one yet. The Pattinson one is good. I actually think and this is going to, the hot take, I think the Pattinson Batman, the Matt Reeves, Robert Pattinson one, is probably the best Batman movie. I've seen just, I don't know if it's the way it's shot or, but like, and I was skeptical when he got that role, but it's like a good, like super like gritty, just like realistic. He's a detective too. That's the thing that's been missing out of so many movies is like he's a full on, like his nickname besides the Dark Knight is the world's greatest detective.

And in this, he literally has like, he's pouring over evidence, he's studying, he's obsessive about it. I don't know, there's just something I really like about it. But anyway, I think that that's why a lot of people, that's why the Dark Knight and Nolan's movies had such a wide appeal is because you were getting people that didn't have to be comic book fans because you were coming in, you were seeing almost a realistic, not superhero, but action movie. Yeah, in the town definitely. I mean, Gotham in those movies was really kind of Gotham. There was a dark air to it. Like in the new, watch the new one. It's even more so than that.

Okay. But what I actually went with, and this is just based on rewatchability and how I feel about these movies. I went with the Lord of the Rings. And if I had to say, because I think all three of them came out in that time frame. Which for how long they were, it was wild. Well, what's crazy is they came... Oh, no, no, they did. They came out back-to-back years

because remember, that was the first three movies, maybe even the first movie in a sequel, they filmed them all back to back. They just went right back into production. Yeah, that was one of the big things about it was the studio that put them on, which I believe it was... Miramax.

It was like their last... they were investing enough money into this where if this didn't pan out, the studio or something would end up going under. But they invested all the money for three movies to get filmed back to back, and so they were able to release them a year apart. So that's what was really cool about that.

Which is awesome, because every time one of them comes out, it starts the clock for the new one. Now you don't know when the sequels are coming with them. So the release dates, yeah, for the three movies, 2001 to 2003. If I'm going for I have to pick a specific one, I'm going to go with Return of the King. Solid.

Two towers second, then fellowship. They're all good. It's super hard to pick. But I mean, I think people also forget that this was like, is close to like a Dungeons and Dragons, fantasy world, just a complete geek out. Like, if you've read any of like Tolkien stuff, like, it is a hard read to like keep stuff square with all the names and the languages. he developed. But, like, they were able to take, like, a fantasy movie and win the, you know, Academy Award for Best Picture. The music in his epic, this goes back to another one we, another one on one we did where I like to listen to film score music. You listen to music from

Lord of the Rings. That'll, you know, that'll just transport. It puts you right back in the shire, man. Yeah. With the little hobbits, smoking their little pipeweed and everything. But I mean, Yeah, best director, best, you know, writing for an adapted screenplay. It was... It was kind of like the first fantasy into mainstream that I can really think of that hit were you didn't have to read the books. You didn't have to, like, a lot of people could let their nerd side out if they liked it. I think it introduced a lot of people into like that kind of culture, too. It did.

And it was one of those movies that actually kind of lives up to the adaptation. Of course, you have to remove stuff because there's so many side stories and so much. detail, but the way that they were able to not only take those books, but then also take each book individually and kind of, they moved some stuff like from the second movie. They put it to the start of the third movie. But yeah, I'm going to set the bar too high because the Hobbit didn't live up to the first three. No. You couldn't, yeah, it just didn't, didn't kind of click the same way. See, and I still like those movies. Like, I'll still watch those ones. And I'll do like a little six movie marathon.

We'll watch all three. But yeah, once you get into the hobbit's almost from like a visual standpoint. The Hobbit is more fun to watch. And it's actually kind of more, I think, to a degree like not kitty, but it might be skewed toward a few years younger than the original Lord of the Rings audience. Just because like some of the dwarves are kind of funny looking and they do like the sticky like humor type stuff. It's like the Return of the Jedi introducing the EWalk thing.

You're trying to like get a grab of some of those kids. Well, I think it wouldn't have worked the other way around. They released the Hobbit first and then they went with the trilogy afterwards. I think the Lord of the Rings would have suffered because of that.

Absolutely. Yeah. Nobody would have been in for the next three had they done the Hobbit first and kind of laid out the backstories and everything. Yeah. And then that new Amazon series that's going to come out,

I want to say in September. Did you hear, heard about that you told me about it i haven't seen anything for it yeah it's like a tin part it's called like the rings of power so it takes place like a couple thousand years before the lord of the rings and it explains how like the rings were created and like sauron came to power and like all the characters so are you still going to get elijah wood and no sean assing it's a couple thousand years it's a couple thousand years before you get the elf characters but played by different actors like younger people they found that were younger versions of them um but that thing costs like i think they said it

costs like, fuck, I'm going to misquote this, $250 million to make. That almost doesn't matter anymore because when you have streaming rights now and Amazon can play it all the time and you're going to get viewers basically in perpetuity, you're going to make that money back whether it's five years from now

or whether it's two years from now, you're going to make it back. That's true. All right, I'll try to keep it more succinct. Sorry for wasting people's time, but I went with Lord of the Rings. All right, number two, comedies. Did you have any honorable mentions on that Oh yeah

What was in? Dark Night Okay The Italian job I absolutely love The Italian job You everyone has Those guilty pleasure

movies that people Like that movie's dog shit And they won't watch it again But I can see where the appeal is It's just like you can put it on And you don't have to think about it Well you get Um

You mark you mark Most death Charlie's therein Edward Norton Just a bunch of people A phenomenal cast But I'm thinking like The Mini Cooper's

Racing around town after they... Through like the sewers and stuff like that? Yeah, just the coolest action shit that happens. You got a little twist in the end. You deal with kind of a fake out love story with Edward Norton. Yeah, it just is solid. I got a shout out Iron Man.

Yeah, absolutely. The start of the MCU. Yeah, ballsy choice for the acting selection for Robert Duna Jr. That turned out to be almost the most perfect piece of casting. Basically a no-brainer at this point. And then also taking a character like Iron Man that was kind of a B-list, almost C-list character for the mainstream Marvel fans. And, I mean, he was still up there, but I'll say B-list. You could have started out chalk with something easier, though, more recognized.

Well, they already had Spider-Man, but you could have gone straight to Captain America. You could have gone straight to Holt. Well, Hulk had already been done, I guess. Not well. They had two times to do it, and they still did it badly each time. All right. So comedy, I'll go first on this one. Okay.

So let it be known that the 2000s to 2009, that period, was I think, I'm willing to say that that might have been the golden edge for comedy. Oh, yeah. Movies. That was super bad. That was any of the early Judd Apato, Seth Rogen type stuff. I love you, man. Forgetting Sarah Marshall. Just, yeah, like, uh,

Like I was talking about before. Like the brat pack. Knocked up. Yeah. Just heavy hitters. Jason Siegel after all that stuff. Yeah, you said forgetting Sarah Marshall. They had such a group of characters that would show up.

Role models. Was Role Mattoe? Yeah. And then Apatow did Step Brothers. I don't know if it was Apatow that did that. I'm just saying in that time frame along that same line. It's a murderer's row of comedy movies. I want to say old school too, maybe early 2000s.

Mm-hmm. I wear. with Super Troopers. Yeah. That one was on my list. Was it? Yeah. I remember I didn't see Super Troopers until I want to say like three or four years.

Because it never hit like big. It was always kind of like, you always had to hear about it from someone and be like, have you seen Super Troopers or you'd hear someone doing like a meow? Yep. Or. With Broken Lizard, it was, I think Club Dread was before that. Nope. So I can tell you the Broken Lizard because I got.

Was Club Red after that? I got way into Broken Lizard movies. So it was Super Troopers. After Super Troopers was Club Dread. Solid movie. They're under, just like if you want to just sit back and you don't want to have it done, I haven't revisited those movies for a long time watching them stoned.

Yeah. So I need to go ahead and do that just for research purposes. But you had Super Troopers. Then you had Club Dread, which again, underrated. Bill Paxton is in that movie. coconut Pete. He's playing like a weird ass like Jimmy. It's like a Jimmy Buffett. I don't know how like a yeah. I would say Jimmy Buffet's perfect. Yeah, a Jimmy Buff character that has his own like vacation island. All right. Let's think. It was also. I think I saw Super Troopers after Club Dred. So it had been just like you.

Oh really? Yeah. Okay. So I saw Super Troopers first and then that's kind of what introduced me to it. So it was their first movie was Puddle Cruiser, which is just, like it was super super super low budget little one then super troopers then club dread beer fest if you haven't seen beer fest great movie put it on you won't even have to think about what you're seeing in front of you it's mindless it's hilarious um slam and salmon great underrated food movie that one that one i had a hard a hard time on the rewatchability i'd get the jokes in and everything like that i just i feel like it got too close they were trying to do like a waiting thing little bit. It kind of was in that same era.

And then Super Troopers, too. But I think their best one is going to be Super Troopers. But God, like, once you've watched that movie, it's like you're in a little club. Or back then it was, you were like in a little club or if someone caught a joke you were saying from that, you were just like, oh, you know. And it was, I remember buying from my brother

having the VCR tape to the DVD and getting the DVD before streaming and just knowing, Like, that was going to be a once a week watch probably. Do you remember the guy that was like the, at the very beginning, the Snawsberries tastes like Snazberries guy? Yeah. Okay. Do you know who, I'm trying to think of her name, Christina Hendrix?

She was the one from Mad Men that was really popular, like, I don't know, like 10 years ago. She got really white skin, but huge boobs. And she was really popular for kind of like that. I'm trying to think of kind of what they would consider that look. You'll recognize her as soon as you see her. Oh, yeah. Yeah, she's a teacher in fistfight. Okay.

The ginger? Yes. Yes. Okay. Hey. No, blonde hair. Okay. I was going to say.

Not a ginger. Okay. I was going to say there's been some questionable, questionable times where that was up for debate. Day Walker, whatever. But yeah, so that guy and her were married. That gollum-looking dude pulled her. Oh my God. Goes out, hey, have a good personality and be funny.

Yeah. Humor is absolutely a cheat code. All right. What did you go for best comedy? I'm going to have to go niche pick on this because we already mentioned super bad, pretty chalk for somebody will say role models also pretty similar. Have you seen how high? Method Man, Red Man. I've never said watching the entire movie.

Okay. So just to lay it. Method Man and Redman both don't know each other yet. They're in the hood. Red Man's trying to move out of his mom's house. Method Man wants to basically become a horticulturist and start making his own strains of weed, even though he's already got it going on in his apartment. He's got aspirations, okay.

So they both go take their GED exams and their SATs show up. So Red Man is wanting to go ahead and do this to be able to get a job to move out of his mom's house. Yeah. Okay. And she's, the whole thing is just so funny. Just the little quips that they put in there. And they do these little fake ads for pork chops a chunky. So do they have to go back to high school technically?

No. They've already graduated and all that. But they still have to go get their SATs done to make it into college. And before this happens, Method Man's best friend ends up saying that he's got a date tonight. And he tells him just this awful set of. up of if something happens on this date, I'll always be your buddy. Like if I die, if I fall out of a burning building, if I get hit by a truck, I'll always be there for you. Ends up, date goes bad, falls asleep, lights his fake weave dreads on fire from the blunt that he falls asleep

watching TV, gets killed. Method Man takes his ashes, puts them in the fertilizer for his weed plant, and his buddy's name's ivory, so they call it the ivory. And then every, every single, time they smoke the ivory after that, ivory shows up as a ghost and gives them all the answers to the test questions, which is a very funny, just easy to digest purpose. I know you're... No, no, no. What I'm actually like... I was I wiped my face like the, oh God. Yeah. So that's not what I was doing. I was actually wiped my face because like I and I'm not even like bullshit in you. So like, I thought this was like a very like, the way you're describing the premise, I don't know if you're describing it in a very like appealing way.

But now I feel like, oh, there's a lot more to this movie than I initially get a credit for. I thought it was just like they have to go back to high school to do something and they just get in, you know, hijinks ensue of them doing just like stupid stone shit. But no, this actually sounds like this is a plot. Yeah. Like there was some thought to this plot where like the buddy dies, fertilize it, the weed, you smoke it, you see him, you get the answer.

It's a very... Okay. So at this point, like, Don't ruin it for me, though. No. It's a very silly fun movie, though. Ivory gets in, and gets them into Harvard. And two brothers going from the hood to Harvard is just the greatest juxtaposition.

Okay, so this isn't just them in high school. No, this is them going to college. Yeah, you got to see it. You've been telling me this for years, and I was just like, this is a bullshit movie. I'm not going to watch it, but. You don't got to think a whole lot about it. There's certain jokes that they slip in. I just didn't think there was a plot to it.

So now that I know that there's actually a plot to it, there's something to follow along. I'll give it a try. Method Man and Red Man coming from the Wu-Tang Clan to where they are today is like guys that have been a lot of different movies and still made really great music. They've transcended what they were. They were kind of not the first. Like a Jared Leto. Except for rap.

Yeah, let's not talk about it. Five Finger Death Punch sucks. Isn't that his band? No, his band is the something to Mars. 30 seconds to Mars? Yeah. He is like a cult. He might, but,

I'm telling you right now, he has some, like, some banger music. There's a few songs that are really good. So I'm saying the fact that he, and, I mean, they've sold a lot. So they're a popular band. The fact that he's a good actor and also a successful musician, like, that's kind of. I'm saying that is the equivalent for people that might not know about Method Man and Redman. But yeah, it started out with great music and then just became very funny actors. And whenever you have guys like that in a movie, you automatically have a good soundtrack because they're able to go and provide music for the soundtrack.

Yeah, you got. different hits on there. And it's a great stoner soundtrack also because you have all the great music from all the great pot smoking artists. All right. Oh, you, you on horror. No, that was comedy.

I know. I said I already went and you went. I'm saying, what's your pick on horror? Oh, oh, oh. I was going to say we don't even have to do honorable mention on comedy concerning we listed off like all the greatest comedies during that time frame.

Horror This is just a straight favorite pick The remake when they did Texas Chainsaw Masker with Jessica Beale It was out in the middle of nowhere It had a great plot in the beginning With the girl that they pick up Like are you a horror movie person

Not a giant horror movie person Like I like the jump out and scares And something with a decent plot to it Like the ring never really appealed to me Just wasn't great I was gonna say it has to be a pretty popular horror movie I think for me to watch it or I have to

hear about it like through various means of like oh this is kind of a movie on the not a lot of people know about it but it's a really good movie um just a be on that white tank top running around the whole movie was just great and everybody dies in a fun way

you get the ones that crawl under your skin like when he's getting carried down the stairs and you see his fingernails rip off like that's the shit where it's like or the one where he like like, I'm trying to remember that because maybe I've only seen that movie one time. And I'm the kind of person like I'm watching a horror movie, I do kind of like if something gets me, like,

I'll look away. Yeah. But like him like just grabbing the guy like through the collarbone with the meat hook and then like just dragging him and then like just picking him up and hanging him. Cuts off his legs with the chainsaws. Then drops him into salt on the nubs. Oh, just

torture upon torture. Yeah. And it's a relatively, I mean, that was, wasn't the true story. It's based on Ed Gein, who was up north more. And he killed a few people and made some things out of them. But he mostly would dig people up in the cemetery locally. And the actual guy, I mean, when they broke into his house, he had like the skin lampshades and shit like that. He had chairs that were made of people. I mean, just very crazy, true story that they adapted into a great horror film.

Do you think that stuff all got destroyed? No. I think that it probably is somewhere in a weird museum. Because it's, it's kind of like we've talked about a lot in the different, like the bad stuff, the bad science experiments. Like talking about the Nazis. They did terrible stuff that we never would have done to come up with different things. Yeah. I think there's a little bit of something to, like, it's terrible, disgusting art. But it is still. It's like really macabre.

Isn't macabre the right word? I would say, no, I wouldn't. I wouldn't be surprised if it does, like, because you just think about, like, maybe you wouldn't. be like, hey, that should be kept or something like that. But that's in an evidence room then somewhere. And at some point somebody's like, that'd be crazy to have like that at your house and tell people about. Like it just, you know, to make it.

And, you know, at that point when that was happening, I doubt there was a foolproof system for making sure evidence stayed, you know. Oh, yeah. But things could get lost. I'm guessing there's a some scanner lampshade or like a, can you imagine like you're, you imagine. Like you're in this, added in a estate sale for your grandpa. And like they find this chair like back in a back room that you never knew about that was just covered in newspapers.

And they're like, oh, what's this? And it's got hair on the back of it and there's like an ear just randomly stitched on. It's just so crazy the fact that this is actually like something real that happened. But yeah, it's, it just makes you shudder thinking about it. And like I say, it wasn't exactly based on Ed Gein, but they added enough. pumped enough into it to to make it good. And the sheriff

dad character that he'd like just died. Is he the one that ends up coming to like save him at the end? No, he's the one that rounds everybody up.

Oh, that's right. Why can I not think of his name? You wonder why people don't like traveling through Middle America. It's because they make all these fucking movies. Oh shit.

Like the Hills Have Eyes was another one that was on this list that I saw. And that's just like, this is why people don't fucking trust road tripping. Everyone always gets directed to the murder house or the murder family. Yeah. Arleigh Emery was the sheriff, the guy in full metal jacket.

Oh, yeah. Just private pile. I can't do his voice. He was the guy that did like the voices of the, I'm going to even going to take his back. You're going to hear me throughout this whole thing of podcasting. my references are going to go back sometimes to like children's movies. So he did the voice of all the army soldiers in Toy Story.

Really? Yeah. Like the main army guy, like the serge that like would he talk to? Yeah. But the full metal jacket guy did Toy Story? Yeah. So can you imagine being like not seeing that the first time as a kid, but seeing that as a parent taking your kid there and being like,

oh shit, that's the full metal jacket guy. Like I can't believe they're having that guy voice of kids. Yeah. Yeah, you're getting to a generation that hasn't seen it yet. I'm sure when they see Full Metal Jacket, like, why does that guy's voice sound so familiar? Oh, God, Toy Story. Making that jump and being so shocked by that, yeah.

All right. I thought I had mine, but I might have to switch to my second choice. So I was going to say 30 days of night, but I think I'm going to have to go with Hostel. Yeah, hostels is a situation. How, if no one, they've made probably like, what, like 12 sequels to that? It was one of those movies that, like, they were able to make on the cheap, the initial one. Mm-hmm.

But then they could just continue making sequels because it was such an easy premise. Well, and the first one was very good. The first one was very good because it was the first, like, it was the first story that was like this. So basically two guys, I want to say two guys, are traveling across, like, Eastern Europe or backpacking across Europe. and they end up staying at this hostel, and then through some means they meet two girls or something like that, they get drugged and taken to a club, or they get taken to a club and drugged.

I'm doing a horrible job of explaining this, but then one of the guys or one of the girls goes missing that night and gets abducted. And long story short, basically in this location where this hostel is in this town, there's this place called, it was the Hunters Club or something? like that. I can't remember what the name of the membership club was. I want to say it was

Huntsman, but it might be hunters. It's the Huntsman. I think it's the Huntsman. It's something like that. But anyway, coming to find out their friends get kidnapped and what they're basically doing is people come from all around the world that are members of this club and they bid or get to

pick these people that they just these travelers that they pick and they get to basically torture kill them. So whatever means they want to do, they're provided with like rooms to do it and all the tools. And they basically just get to pay a ton of money and then torture and kill these people. And just like the actual depictions of it, it was so, like, realistic. Yes. That that's what actually just, like, terrified me about it. Like, they drill through a guy's that he's sitting in a chair and they drill

through his, like, not knee, but like right above your knee where your thigh is with a fucking power drill. And you see the meat just getting chunked up by the drill bit. Um, one of the guys gets his fucking Achilles sliced. And then the guy like, tries, like, tries to, to get up to move and in that second the camera shows the shot of his is a keely separating falls down a girl gets her fucking eye pulled out and then they have

to fucking clip the eye off on the ocular like that I would never like I didn't have a lot of plans to backpack through Europe at that point but what do you think that that movie alone

did? I don't think it helped their business because there's hostels everywhere. I know. What I'm saying is how badly or how many hostels do you think were like little mom and pop places? Just because of people got shut down or put out of business because they couldn't get people because so much fear. Like that's terrifying, man. Well, then it only takes one after the movie where something bad happens. Or just like, well, maybe the movie was a little bit right. And nobody wants to stay at hostels. It's a fucking terrifying movie. Yeah. The realistic, not the real, like maybe that is realistic. I don't know. I don't, I've been to Eastern Europe.

I've heard some crazy shit about Eastern Europe. They party hard. That, you know, that could really happen. It was just close enough to maybe being something that could happen. Well, and then you see later, not spin-offs because it wasn't the same, but when you go to like the purge, the purge is kind of the same idea of like rich or wealthier people being able to catch poorer citizens or people from a hostel like that and then torture and kill them. It's fantastical and everything like that, but it like, it's this fantastical play on what people feel are real fears.

And what that fear, I think, plays on is it's not so much the elite, like, hunting people down. It's the power. The bloodlust, too. Yeah, the power that they have, knowing that, like, if it chose to go this way, those would be the people that stayed in those positions. And that those kind of, like, power gives you that, that bloodlust, that desire to kill. my desire to kill, I don't know if that's supposed to be like bread into you or something. I just have zero desire to kill. Yeah.

It's not there. Hunting's not really my bag. I used to, and I've talked to like my dad about this because that's, I grew up hunting. So, and this is going to sound, I don't know if this sounds stupid or not, but so like I grew up hunting. And I come from a family of where I think hunting talent probably skipped a generation. so my grandpa was like a very good hunter. And that sounds weird to say like... Your dad got skipped.

Yeah. So when I say a very good hunter, like he was a good shot and he knew where to be. So I'm not saying he like could stock animals and read tracks or anything like that. He knew the area well enough where he hunted and he was a good shot so he could always usually get something. Like yearly. Even when he was old. We would go with him and we would have to take him to his spot, sit him down, here you go. Here's some food.

your water, we'll be back to get you around late afternoon. And then he would be back there. He'd just be fine, chilling. So, oh my God, I completely forgot where I was going with this. Oh, the hunting thing. Yeah. Okay. Sorry. We never, he got, he would always usually get something and then, like, they would be gutting it and everything. And I was just like, yeah,

that's not, I'll be back, I'll be back over here doing it. And they did it so casually, which I get, if you grew up doing that, you see it as just, like, meat, which I can also see. now and I could probably help out doing that now with that mindset. I'd just rather not. Yeah. But we never got anything. Like as far as big game, like I had bird hunted.

I shot ducks and birds and stuff like that. I don't think I never got a deer. I never got an elk. I liked being up there was my biggest thing. Yeah, being out in the woods and doing that, the experience is great. Yes. Not necessarily the killing. So I kind of just got to the point where like, now I'd rather go camping.

But I remember one time we were out and this. going to sound dumb, but we're out grounds crawl shooting. Oh, done it plenty of time. Rock chucks? Yeah. Yeah. And so we were using 22s. I shot one and I went up on it. And the thing was just sitting there with all of its gut. But it was like still alive and everything like that. And I just looked at it while I was doing that and I killed it.

But just in that like 10 seconds, I don't know, it felt like a long time that I was watching it. I was just kind of like, do I need to be doing this? Yeah. Like am I getting enough enjoyment? Because like that, I looked at that and I was like, I'm fucking depressed now. And I'm like, I'm not going to get enough enjoyment continuing to do this to offset if I come upon something like this. Like if I were to go shoot an elk and the thing was struggling and I had to put it like. Yeah.

I'll eat it. If my dad, my dad's gotten a couple in the past, he can make a burger out of it, a steak out of it. It's delicious. I like it. I can view it as meat and everything like that. that, but I don't need to be part of the process. Once the life is out of it, it seems to kind of fall into the meat category. Like, butchering something, I'm fine with. Yeah. Skinning things, I've done a few times, not my favorite, but not bad. I've always thought, just to try to outdum

you, I've always felt like I have this weird, like, kindred connection with bears, just because they're kind of big and doofy, and I'm kind of big and doofy. See, that's kind of a tricky thing, though too because I think like anytime like you've seen like I think bears are a weird thing we keep getting off on tendons which is fine but I think the thing

with bears is is people have such a you're so inundated with bears as a kid. Teddy bears and stuff all these soft plush safe things and then when you start seeing bears in cartoons they're funny and everything like that and then you know you see funny videos of bears in the trash

and bears run your wall. and trying to get in cars, but like, they're fucking terrifying, and they will kill you straight up, like, even a small black bear. Yeah, I hear what you're saying. I don't know if that would happen to me, though. There,

everything about them would be going toward killing you. Like, your hands and your feet, like, what, what damage are you going to do physically? None. To a bear. We're going to hang out. I'm going to hold my arms out,

and we're going to hug. See, but you've also been to, like, bear world where you're able to, like, go to, like, what I'm saying is, There's a misconception of like what bears I think actually are. I told you about my bear love there, didn't I? Yes, but like I'm talking about the one that I fed and the one that I'm talking about bears in the wild. Anything in the wild will not look at you and be like, oh, hey, you've held one of my cousins before.

I'm not, no, it will fucking kill you and it will fucking eat you and anyone with you. I got it. Maybe other people. I don't think it's me. Okay. If I die this way, then you can have the last laugh. I hope we never have to find out the truth of that. If I were to actually go hunt, I would say give me a buck knife and get me one-on-one with a deer and let's have it out.

Like, let's make this as fair as we can. Because I don't feel like you know what these animals. Like even a deer, like some deer weigh like 120 pounds. Yeah, that's way smaller than I think. Yeah. But I'm telling you right now, are you talking about like a male or a female? It depends. I mean, how big is my knife?

But it's just a fair fight at that point. Like a high-powered rifle from 100 yards away to ping an animal? saying it's not. I'm not saying that is fair. Anything like that. What I'm saying, though, is that I think you're underestimating, like, an animal has just pure survival instinct, and it doesn't have, like, if it's going to be, like, fighting

for its life, it's not concerned with anything else except probably killing you. I don't, I'm not going to say you're not going to kill this deer. What I'm saying is that you're going to, like, it's going to cost you to kill this deer. Good match. Okay. Good match. That means it's going to taste so much better.

I'm kind of disappointed that this is never going to be able to be something we put to the test. Well, it's like when we were talking about doing the boxing match with the orangutan. I still feel like if you strapped him gloves on and me gloves on, him and I could go a couple rounds. I don't believe that. Well, I guess we'll find out one day. The strength of primates is the insanity, just the insane strength that they possess. They rip just shit off your body just for the fun of it. I'm a primate too.

I'm not going to get into this. We'll get into this a different point. All right. So me wild card or you wildcard? Honorable mention on Wildcard, Saw. Saw was great. Saw had a very little budget. That's another one of those horror movies.

Yeah. It was mutilating, but it started out. Is this a wilder of you? You was just... No, this is just a horror. Honor. Yeah, that to me was a great low-budget movie that they did.

I think you have... Yeah, you have Wild Card first. Yep. I'm going to go with the worldwide phenomenon of the boy, wizard Harry Potter

and I want to say that they with the exception of maybe the last movie that got split into two weren't the last two split into two

weren't there nine of them no there were eight movies eight so the only one that got split in was the Deathly Hallows and right around

the goblet of fire I think it was the fourth one was when I started to really check out of bugs so I remember I didn't

start reading the books until the movies got advertised to start coming out the first one. And what was crazy is I was literally reading the first book. And on the way to the movies, I was about 10. By the time we went to go to the Big Edwards. And I think I was like 15 or 20 pages away from the end of the first book. parking and walking in to go see it. So like I knew what was going to happen because it was so fresh because I had been reading it.

But literally that last like five minutes of movie, I was like, what's going to happen? You took the book into the car? No, no, no. What I'm saying is that the book got left in the car. I'm 20 pages. But you like were reading the book in the car going to the movie? Yes, I've been reading it for like the last. I had been reading it for the last week.

And it was like down to the wire and I was trying to get through it. And I was a fast reader, man. Like as a kid. 20 pages. And so I was going into it with the end of it blind. I didn't know what was going to happen. And the end is a little bit different. Like the movies are a little bit different from the books.

But yeah, man, the simple fact that like the movies, I want to say that they did get released with the exception of those two, all within the 2000s. And I think Harry Potter, the two part or two was like the Lord of the Rings. They did it one year on Christmas. And then the next one was. the next year on Christmas. So,

yes, it was almost, it was, so the first movie, 2001, then 2002, then 2004, then five,

then seven, then nine, then the last two the Deathly Halls were 10 and 11. I'm still counting them because most of them came out in that time frame.

But, yeah, cranking these things out every year, and then as the book started to get a little bit more mature and the content and everything.

Bigger and bigger and bigger. Exactly. They started having them out two years, but not only just the books, but, man, I still love those movies. It's hard, it's kind of tricky for me to watch, like, the first couple when they're really little kids, because that's when they're acting isn't as great. And you know that Hermione turns into something different, and she becomes a woman, so it's weird. I love Emma Watson.

And I don't, you know what? And the other thing is, is I don't need to feel bad about saying that because I don't love Emin Watson like that in the Harry Potter movies. Yeah. If you really think about it, isn't Emma Watson like 32? How old is Emma Watson? She's got to be right around us. Because seeing her at that age, I think I was seeing her at close to my age too. So she is, she's 32.

So at the time that I was seeing those movies, she was within a couple years of me. And as she started getting older, like in the last few movies and everything, she was at that point, she was like in her 20s. Yeah. So, I, we're not here to judge anybody as long as it's reasonable. Correct me if I'm wrong on this. Emma might be one of the most underrated hot actress names ever, right? You got Emma Watson, Emma, Emma Rosam.

Emma Roberts. Emma Roberts. Emma Stone. Emma Stone's like very approachable girl next door, like, attractive. Yeah, she, the super bad vibes. Yes, it's her personality, I think, that makes her the most. attractive. Yeah, because in zombie...

Zambiland. Yeah, zombie land. She's just, yeah, like you say, very approachable, very fun. See, Emma Watson's, like, smart, though, too. So she's, like, smart hot. And Emma Roberts, oh, that would have been a good wild card. Emma Roberts in... You can see a Phantom of the Opera?

It's kind of a funny story. Do you ever see that about the kid that gets depression and goes into the psych wards? Zach Galefenakis is in it? It's not ringing a bell. It's who's the... Yeah, Keir Gilchrist is the number one guy, but he's in like a school... I guess we can do that as a wildcard too,

but maybe in honor will mention. He's in a school that puts a lot of pressure on him. He has a mental breakdown. He goes into a psych ward for a week, and he meets... Zach Galefenakis there, who's obviously an older guy down on his luck, had a mental breakdown too, and is away from his wife and kids. And they just basically, like, go around this whole mental ward and, like, have fun.

They sneak into the gym and do all sorts of stuff. But it's like a really good, feel-good movie. Like, it's okay to not be okay, kind of a vibe that I really enjoyed. See, now I'm trying to figure out what this thing is called. Huh. But you're gonna honorable mention that? Like, I haven't even heard of it. It was only, it only did 6.5 million in the box office, and it was 2010, so it would have been out of the range.

Okay. But I would say give it a watch. I think it's a very good, redeeming movie. All right. So what is your wild card? My wild card. I had two. I'm just going to go with the first one, because it's great.

Best in Show. with Eugene Levy. Yes, the Christopher Gess movies. Yep. What do they call that? Like a might? A mockumentary. Yeah, I'm trying to think what's the movie that like is the precursor to those,

like a mighty wind. Yep, a mighty wind. Because that has some of the same characters from it, right? It's Eugene Levy and basically a lot of the same people that are in. Shitt's Creek. Yeah. Yeah. I can't remember what the mom's name.

She was the mom from home alone. That's so crazy that like people that know characters now, like Eugene Levy. They're like, oh, this guy from Schitts Creek or, oh, this lady from Schitts Creek. And you're like, no, that's the mom from home alone. Well, and you say that, and I immediately think Moira Rose. Mm-hmm. And then you're like, no, that's the dad from.

Catherine O'Hara. Catherine O'Hara, that's right. Yeah, she's cookie. You have Fred Willard in it, who's always funny. Mm-hmm. John Michael Higgins and Parker Posey, the two that do the commenters or the commentators in pitch perfect. Mm-hmm.

Oh, Elizabeth Banks and what's the guy from? He's the brother. John Michael Higgins. Yes. Yep. They, just the way that they do it, the fact that they go like behind the scenes at dog shows. And you have Cletus who has the bloodhounds and he just looks exactly like his dogs and how everybody is paired up to look exactly like their dogs. Eugene Levy can't go out and show the dog in the dog ring because he literally has two left feet.

It's just so sneaky funny And I don't know what it portrays from the dog world But watching it I 100% believe that that could be exactly how like the dog show world goes Yes, I would imagine that there's a very strange Like you know how upset so people get about their dogs Yeah, breeding them feeling them up Getting them all groomed up

Like can you imagine like I this is going to sound like completely crazy But this is all I see Like when dogs are getting groomed to go And they have to like take a shit like how do they get like can you mention obsessive if it's a long-haired dog about trying to catch the shit and not let it get in the fur like they have like fucking uh what do you call the things the girls put in their hair the clip hair the hinge clip things you have clips and bobby pins that they're trying to pin back the asshole they're hair down the butt so it just

yeah i just see obsessive shit like that yeah and it has to be at least somewhat like that well and especially because you're panicking like you've prepared for this this is something that's very important there's some probably some truth that because i think that that those are the type of people that, you know, the Christopher guest movies, with spinal tap, I think there's some truth to this stuff in spinal tap. This is spinal tap? Yeah. Yes.

So I think that they probably did some research about like going to dog shows and kind of basing themselves off of certain people that they see are creating like a, you know, an amalgamation of characters that they met into one character. I wouldn't be surprised if some of that stuff is very on the nose. And everybody always look like their dogs. They always just had the same kind of aura about that. The matching colors if they have bows, yeah. Very underrated, but a very funny movie.

All right, man. What was your wild. Oh, yeah, you already did yours, huh? I did Harry Potter. Yeah, Harry Potter. The Wildest Wildcote. My other audible mention was probably my favorite Jack Black movie, Orange County. Yes.

Orange County was very underrated, very good, too. We had a buddy named Sean, and for like the next five years, it was just Jack Black running out before he falls into the pool. He was like, Sean! Sean, every time we'd lose him at a party. Sean, let me score some of your piss. Or the, like that, or the part where he's trying to explain about the fire. And he's like, yeah, she was like, I'm going to burn this mother down. She said it was an electrical fire.

Was electrical fire. Should have seen the circuit breaker box like freaking Fourth of July. Wear your pants, John. Or Joe. He's like, what's your name? He's like, Joe, Joe, Joe John, Joe John, Joe Johnston. they have to go to the Stanford admissions guy and he takes the Accetron before and it was ecstasy

yeah he goes why do you keep your ecstasy in the Accenters like it's same thing oh yeah 2000s was solid they I feel like comedy probably was the strong suit there 90s I would say maybe action movies which we'll get to do in the 90s because they had their own great things I just figured 2000s like the 2000 to 2009 is just such a great range for stuff.

It really is. Yeah, it was right before, I think we, and we touched on this before, it was when you basically had to pour, studios had to pool all their money into their like big summer blockbuster movies because there was not a streaming option.

There wasn't big, not big money, but like I guess big money or ratings in series. Like Sopranos was probably, I think around this time, maybe a little bit earlier. It was. But that was kind of like,

that was a gamble by HBO to be like, we're going to spend all this money on a series. And then it panes. out and then you had other stuff happen, but... Not many people had HBO, HBO was a... You had to pay for it, so yours was an extra service, so you'd spend your money going to the movie, seeing these big things, these blockbusters, but... Yeah, I think I'm willing to say that this was probably the strongest decade for

overall for movies. Good chance. Especially now, I mean, the 70s were also great, 80s were pretty decent. When you get into the Blues Brothers Ghostbusters age... Overall, just the amount of gold and content that was topped here, I think. is, yeah. This will be our generation's kind of golden age for comedy for sure. All right, man.

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