Historically High - History of Weed in Pop Culture

Episode Date: April 19, 2023

And with that Ladies and Gentlemen we have reached 1 year of bringing you the finest in marijuana fueled historical conversations. Make no mistake we're not even close to done yet, but we decided to celebrate this accomplishment by paying homage to our first episode. We're talking the progression of Marijuana Culture in recent history. From early musicians being inspired by lady Mary Jane to 90's tv shows reminding you "there's no hope with dope" to an entire section of cinema serving as a love letter to sweet sticky icky to professional sports starting to rethink their stance on the healing herb. Support the show Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Is it weird to think that it's been a year? Yeah. There's sometimes when it seems like it has flown by and then there's other times when you look at all the shit that we've learned about, it's like, wow, we've done a lot. Yeah, like I've gone through and just kind of looked at the topics and everything. And I feel like I've retained a pretty decent amount of the information. It's just crazy to me that we picked out like 52 different topics.

so far up to this point and been able to be consistent about it is probably the most amazing thing. Yeah. Yeah, we haven't missed a week yet, which says a lot about us. Knock on wood. We've had plenty thrown our way. Yes, we still, yeah, we plan and we adapt around it. So what are we talking about today? What are we going to do for our big one year, our annual 420 spectacular?

First off, I got a bone to pick. And this goes for anybody that thinks that they're too cool or that they want to just talk about 420s. Like, oh, it's a stoner's holiday. That's awesome, dude. What are you going to do? Like, eat and smoke pot and hang out. Like, it's not that big of a deal.

Listen, I don't judge you for doing Easter. I don't understand Easter. I don't judge people for doing St. Patrick's Day, even though it's a made-up holiday just as much. Christmas, still don't really get it. It's not really the actual time of year where any of this took place. So if we're going to bag on holidays for being made up holidays, 420 is not the one you start with.

Does Scientology have a... I bet they do have a holiday. What would they have? Like Tom Cruise's birthday. Probably Elron's birthday. Elron's birthday. I would assume some other stuff. But, man, they got to have like...

It's not Zan. What's the name of the Zinu? You kind of have like a Zinu day, right? maybe there's a day that they figured out that he came and dropped the humans off. Nuked the world. Regardless, if you want to make fun of people's holidays, that's fine. Just realize that you're an asshole for doing it, because everybody enjoys something different.

And I honestly can't think of a better holiday. Why do people like Thanksgiving? It's not because we talk highly about Native Americans, and we really get into that story. Number one part about Thanksgiving, food. Christmas, yeah, we talk about Jesus a little bit. that kind of thing, get you in the mood and the spirit.

What's the main attraction of Christmas? Presents. Oh, yeah. Hanukkah, I'd like to look into it more and understand it. I assume eight nights of presents is probably pretty sweet. You get to light the menor, you get to eat hollabred. Sounds awesome. Halloween, kind of the same deal.

It's all about candy and trick-or-treating. Why can't we have a holiday that can be free from criticism to just get stoned and enjoy it? I get that that's what you do for potentially 364 others. days in a year. Maybe there's, there are those people that are just, they do it on the yearly, you think there's just people out there.

They're like, we only do it on this day. It's like, this is the only time, kind of like how, the only time you eat ham is usually like Christmas. Christmas, Easter.

Like no one buys a ham for really anything. Oh, I guess Easter. I didn't just have ham for Easter. I just feel like it's, it's okay to take a day to enjoy shit. That's just sort of what you should. should do. Mine has a different meeting now.

My child's birthday is 420. Which is even better. It's just the gift that keeps on giving. I still, I remember her going into labor early, early that morning and just being like I didn't want this to happen. I was like, I did. Hey, I feel like

not to pat myself on the back. I think I called that like a couple months before and she was not pleased. You put it out there. I think you put it into the world. Well, I mean the date in which we had sex put it out there into the world but yeah I think you spoke it

into her head and I'm happy about that how cool is that that's a fun birthday to have yeah I have a 420 baby how much worse could it have been if he was born on September 11th like that shit's not gonna be fun oh no not at all you're not blowing out the candles

the day that the Twin Towers fell it's just it's a good day and I don't you remember our first 420 Celebration. We got up. Well, maybe I shouldn't remember some of it.

No. It was a great day. Me, you and Kav. Got up, wake and baked. Then we got together, smoked again, made it over to the buffet, smashed up the buffet, came back. I believe we watched half-baked first. Then after half-baked, we went and smoked blunt.

Came back, we watched. Now, I don't remember. Harold and Kumar, maybe. That was just how we spent our days. That's how I used to spend four-twenties. Where was this at? Over at my apartment? I don't, I barely recall any of this.

Really? Yeah. It must have been a good day. If it was early on in my career, then, yeah, it probably would be hard to recall. That was just, doing it as a kid. This is another one of those holidays. I sort of feel like when you're a kid, it's just so much more fun. Being a broke, stupid college.

student, you could get stoned, and then you could go to the park and, like, bare foot your way through a frisbee game and just really enjoy the holiday for what it's worth. Now is a working stiff. You have to kind of fit it in around different. It's like playing on a kid's birthday party. You just go to the next weekend. It's whatever weekend is closer or more convenient than you just celebrate. It's got to be today. And I can't explain to you the significance of the justification of why it has to be. You mean tomorrow? On the day? Yeah, tomorrow. Sorry. but it's a very important time in pretty much anyone's life here here's one thing too that i think is going to add a little bit of variety to what essentially we're going to be talking about today

is i think with this being something that was like in your life like early on i think that's where our like viewpoints of kind of the culture a little bit different i guess mine are like they're not like brand new view but mine are newer definitely oh yeah and so That's why I think we associate different things within the whole pop culture of like weed culture and everything like that. That's why I think we identify with different things. And I think that's a good thing too. Well, and I think going through this process of continuing studying pot and pop culture. Pot culture.

Pot culture, yeah. You got to see, like, this was your first time watching Cheech and Chong? Yes. For all the times that you were talking about. how you watch James Bond too young. I watched Cheech and Chong far too young. Caddyshack, far too young. Like, I remember Cheech and Chong from, like, I want to say single digits.

It was the 90s, so it would have been right around single digits, like, far too early in life. But it was just a certain sense of humor that my dad had. And I don't really want to walk into people. The absurdity of it. Yeah, and just the stand-up aspect of it and kind of the bittiness of it. to me it's just one of those movies it's always been in my life and it was in my life before I started

smoking pot. I think there was a natural progression to like leaning towards it and like buying the poster to put on my wall once I did start smoking pot. It made it seem like watching that that movie and we're going to talk about it. Oh yeah. Going through the cinema aspect

of it but there's been a lot of comments about up in smoke is that that turned, that was the turning point where the how marijuana was portrayed on, you know, on the screen, instead of being like Reefer Madness, where it was like basically the exaggerated effects of like heroin and everything, you got up in smoke that basically took the danger element out of it. And it was just the fun, giggly part of it.

It completely disarmed the subject. Yeah. And I think that's why it probably left, you know, had your first introduction into have been like a PSA or like, reaffer madness or any of that kind of shit. you would probably not be like, have as much of a, what am I trying to say here,

like, uh, seeing it through rose color glasses. It made it seem fun and like lighthearted and stuff, like the way it ought to. The starting point, for really any opinion you have on something is so important that it's unbiased. And maybe up in smoke was biased the other way.

But it, Reef for Madness is one of those things where I'm sure in the day it hit and it was, probably rough for some people but having the chance of watching it so many years after it's like this is the dumbest shit that I've ever seen like this is there's nothing good about this that anybody should believe like none of that is true there's very few drugs that could make you do any of that shit you would need to take like a cocktail of drugs to get each of those and then if you

did take weed as part of that cocktail weed would be the one sitting in the corner being like the fuck is everybody doing right now I just want to get out of here we just need to take a deep breath and think about this plan again because this whole plan is just fucked. All right. Well, I guess kind of enough being around the bush. So basically for our first anniversary episode, we're going to explore basically weed in popular culture and kind of hit the big four categories, some more than others. We're going to be hitting movies, music, TV, and doing some sports. And kind of how we kind of found itself into the.

these, you know, I guess not really cultures, but kind of into this part of American life. And then kind of where it's at today. Yeah. And just like we were talking about with Reef for Madness, there was a really different understanding of cannabis, marijuana, weed, whatever you want to call it, the whole way that it was perceived was so different. And through the years, we've seen pop culture. kind of bleed marijuana into the conversation of how the laws and criminalization is shaped today.

I don't think we would be anywhere near as legal as we are, unfortunately still not completely legal, but as legal as we are in this country, without having artists, rappers, athletes, actors, just really anybody that had a voice to say something about it. Mm-hmm. So it just... Sorry. There's kind of a way that it seems to trend, and we've seen marijuana in music.

I mean, probably as far back as... I think that's the first place it probably showed up. It has to be. Yeah. I... What I'm saying is not so much showed up, but showed up as prevalently as it did. It was going to be an artistic medium,

really no matter how it showed up. Yeah, exactly. That's where... I mean, music is where you have to be at your most creative, I feel like. Uh-huh. Just like we talked about in the Nixon episode that fun little story of Louis Armstrong, having Richard Nixon smuggled the weed through customs for him. Louis Armstrong was a phenomenal trumpet player that I think had a very long, illustrious career,

and he was a very open pot smoker. It came through in his music, it came through in what he would talk about. he just that kind of was him and to look at athletes back then no not at all really all it was was baseball players I think at that point actors there really wasn't a whole lot

going on it might be different for like writers and stuff like that too true I don't know if you want to blend in like screenplays or TV scripts things like that for for TV even you know for movies writing that but I think there's something about like

being like a musician or something, you have to kind of just play around and make sounds that might not sound good and kind of almost allow yourself to be like a joke a little bit. Like you have to sit there and just make ridiculous moves on a keyboard or playing guitar, trying to strum chords together and it could sound horrible. And I think what we does for like a lot of artists is it basically just takes away that inhibition of being like, I can just sound however I want to sound right down. let's just mess around and see what comes together. You don't have that, like, that hold that part of that.

I don't know what you would consider about, like that shyness holding you back even if... An inhibition. Yeah. You just, you lose that ability to care about what it sounds like. And through that, you find art. But you never get to the point where, and yeah, you can't get sloppy or you can get to the point where you're not able to work your instrument. But it's not like alcohol where it's almost like a diminishing returns. Mm-hmm.

slowing down your reflexes, things like that. the other thing that it does kind of seem like I guess maybe depending on how you feel about like Bob Dylan and the Beatles but in the beginning the only way through music and just kind of starting

in the 60s because I feel like that's sort of when the pot revolution took off we kind of decided that was right around there even before that there's like two examples that they were talking about with like folks and blues musicians one of them is called Leadbelly the other Billy Monroe and so there were some

not illusions, but references for marijuana and stuff like that in some of their music. Fats Domino had to have done something. Fats Domino had to have done some kind of pot smoking songs. I have no idea who that is. Neither do I. It just sounds like a jazz guy. Well, jazz and blues is actually where it hit next, and that was like in the 50s and 60s. And that was musicians that people know about, like Miles Davis and John Coltrane. And I got to say, not to color this up at all,

Black people nailed pop culture or pot songs so much better than white people. Oh, yeah. Like, it's bad. Neil Diamond has one that he wrote in 68 called the Pot Smoker's song. It's damn near unlistenable. And I like Neil Diamond for the most part, but I just fucking so, so bad. Little help from my friends with the Beatles in 67. That was kind of a banger.

I mean, the Beatles made pretty good music for the most part. They were white. Yeah. But they were also British, so I guess that. A little bit different. British invasion The scale for white It took pretty

Okay Steppenwolf Familiarer of Steppenwolf They wrote a song Called Don't Step on the Grass Sam And it's awful too It's very very bad But then

You look at the doors Coming in to save white people With Light My Fire Fantastic song So I would say That's great Rainy Day woman Was Bob Dylan's foray

into marijuana but you can't nothing holds a candle of purple haze. Jimmy Hendricks was the guy, I think. And I mean, just going back and it's not just the artists that may have been inspired by or used it or anything like that, it's when you start listing off, even be able to make references to it or talk about it in interviews. They've inspired so many other artists that like if you lose that inspiration,

like what it ever comes to be. Like just listen to off some names in the 60s, late 60s, This is where reggae started to get a little bit of a foothold. You had Bob Marley and Peter Tosh. Early rock and roll, Elvis, Jerry Lewis, Little Richard, The Beatles, like you said, Rolling Stones, Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd, Crosby Stills and Nash, Jefferson Airplane, Black Sabbath, Grateful Dead, Beach Boys, Tom Petty. I mean, you can keep listing things off, but this is some of the best music to come out of this decade,

if not ever, are done by these people. some of those names are very surprising that they were going off in the 60s because like Neil Diamond I think he's still alive like he's fairly recently done some good things Bob Dylan I think he's still alive too still regularly puts out music we never stop hearing about the Beatles the doors the same way Jimmy Hendrix the same way like those guys have historic staying power

but Neil Diamond to Aerosmith did you say that's another one definitely I read their autobiography. Like they, they've spanned these decades of music to still be doing things. Maybe there's something to the medical side of it, the longevity.

How do you think the fucking Rolling Stones are still doing it? I don't know. I do know that... Elton John, I listen to Rocket Man. There's no way that you're writing Rocket Man if you're not smoking. Is Rocket Man about getting high?

Yeah, remember? And he's like, and I'm gonna be high. Oh, okay. As a kite by 10. I completely forgot about that. Yeah, it was all over. And it definitely gets incorporated into different genres of music as it gets along.

But you have rock, jazz, blues, just anything, I would say pop music, because the Beatles had to have been pop music back then, right? They were considered, I think, rock back then. Really? I think a bit of like Brit Rock or something like that Neil Diamond There was nothing that went hard back with the Beatles There was like that was as hard as it got And after that we got hard rock

And then metal And the dudes in bulkheads So nothing Rockin Nothing had ever rocked that hard at them Okay Well as far as music for the 60s It was all over

Obviously really Nothing on television There wasn't going to be a whole lot the only movies that were really made references to. And the guy's name escapes me. But Easy Rider with... Peter Fonda and Dennis Hopper? Yeah, Dennis Hopper.

Yeah, the Jack Nicholson character is like a lawyer or something. Because Peter Fonda and them are transporting Coke. And then they end up giving some weed to Jack Nicholson's character. He was like a lawyer or something like that. And he goes on this philosophical rant type thing. but it was this weird kind of like it showed you that like it wasn't the reframandis thing where someone smoked and they went crazy

and everything like that. But it still was outlaw. It still. Oh yeah. The guys that had it were trafficking cocaine. They were nefarious men. There was an episode of Dragnet back in 67 called The Big High.

And basically this married couple was having marijuana parties. I know. And basically it depicted the effect of marijuana more like what the effects of heroin would be and then at one point there they were so high they didn't notice their child drowning in the bathtub or something like that typical happens all the time yes yes the kill your baby rationale but i mean yeah there was even stuff depicting in a negative way like that back in the 60s and on tv this is right in the free love movement like this is

This is counterculture's blazing right now. I believe we got Vietnam. Vietnam. So I do think that there's a good chance that a lot of it, like through movies and TV, had to have been suppressed because those people didn't want that counterculture out there yet. They didn't realize the cash cow that the counterculture was going to have. But music, you can't really regulate.

No. Music's going to get out to the people regardless. So I think that that was sort of where the 60s are Moving into the 70s Music just The same thing again Guys like Peter Tosh Black Sabbath

Rick James makes his appearance Thank God Um I need a cowbell This is how big Boston was making songs about smoking weed Boston was I see that

Really? Yeah Every Boston song sounds like every other Boston song, but they always cover it at least something a little bit different. I just remember, isn't every single cover for Boston at like a spaceship with Boston written on it?

But it's like a... It's a different spaceship. Like a portrait. Yeah. Yeah, they were probably... You don't approve a portrait of trippy spaceship with Boston written on a portrait and Listerstone. Well, we start seeing country music really get into it too.

John Prine wrote a song, called illegal smile about the smile that you get on your face when you get stoned. I thought it was going to be the smile he saw his cousin have on her face. Rush, even the Canucks were getting in on it,

passage to Bangkok. Jefferson Airplane is writing songs about Mexico. It took from what the 60s were and these people in the 70s just completely kept blowing up. How bad is that that I put up

Don't Fear the Reaper on the board and put BOC thinking that I was going to remember what that stood for? Blue Oyster Col. Oh, that's right. That's right. You're right. I got it. You're right. I'm here for something.

Yeah. Samford and Son, I'm trying to remember if that was in the 60s, but Samford and Son and Barney Miller both had episodes that tried to basically break the Reaper's madness stigma. Yeah, there seemed to have been to some shows that went against it. Some shows that just proved it wasn't a big deal. I mean, as they should. those ones that were proven it wasn't a big deal were the ones that were more akin to just how actual society operates.

Well, in Sanford and Sun, too, Red Fox being the comedian that he was, he definitely ran across it. He was definitely pro-pot. I mean, there's no way that a guy could be that funny How many comedians these days do you think don't smoke? Just for the creativity aspect of it. I mean, I'm sure some don't because they don't have good reactions with it.

But you still have to continue breaking through those creative barriers like you were talking about, write new jokes and to try new things. You're doing anything to broaden your mind. I'll just say this. Most of the comedians that we both listen to are... Yeah. Yes, avid.

Avid potsmokers. And the other thing, too, is I don't know how those guys that aren't do it, like the clean comics. How do you write that stuff? Yeah. It's insane. Movies. Movies got big.

I've heard of this one, but I've never heard of this one, but I've never seen it. Have you ever heard of Fritz the cat? I've never heard of Fritz the cat. I gotta, I gotta Google the plot points of it because it, uh, it sounds awesome.

I gotta think maybe this is like a spin off of, uh, Garfield. Like maybe Garfield was a, Garfield probably was. If we're gonna talk about cartoon characters that smoked,

you don't go through lasagna like that. No, no. House cat, come on. Whole panel is on you? So Fritz the cat was, in the 1960s at Washington Square Park in Manhattan, hippies gathered to perform protest songs. Fritz, the Tabby Cat, and his friends show up in an attempt to meet girls.

When a trio of attractive female dogs walk by, Fritz and his friends exhaust themselves trying to get their attention with their music, but are annoyed to find that the girls are more interested in the crow standing nearby. Is this animated? Uh, yeah, it looks like it. I hope to God this is animated, or is it? I just misheard a whole bunch of shit that you just said. Wild.

Yeah, Fritz the Cat might be worth a watch. I'm going to pass on Fritz the Cat. Uh, the... I find myself more drawn to, uh, more recent. Tagline, he's X-rated and animated. Okay. Kind of cool. All right, I'm glad it answers and clears that up.

But the big one that people actually have heard of up and spoke of. in 78. And if you haven't paused this and go watch it because it's fantastic. It was my first time watching it. And what? Where would you be? I know you said some ugly things about something else I suggested, but... I didn't say ugly things. I was just simply making a point if you want to discuss that. Because I didn't like it like you do. Yeah. Yeah. Um, no, up in smoke, I liked a lot more because, okay, here's, this will help me with my up and smoke review here. the reason I didn't like how high was because they were mean.

But it was, they were funny lighthearted shenanigans. No, they were just mean for no reason. Like to the like, like I understand like for a while like the white roommate that was like trying to pledge the frat and everything like that. He was kind of a douche, but they were like really mean to him. And then they were pretty mean to the Asian roommate too. The Asian roommate was sweet though because he was fought east coast. That's true.

I just felt like, listen, you got to... We'll get to do it. You got to college. Like, he can't just be nice to people like, fuck. We can't do it. All right. Up in smoke. The only thing about this movie that I didn't get is that, like, there wasn't supposed to be...

I guess I go into these movies thinking there should be, like, a pretty, like, structured plot. No, this was just a bunch of, kind of, like, bits put together, which makes sense because it was their first movie. It was Chechen Chong's first movie. so they probably did do a compilation of all their bits that they had success with. The plot, though, the hardened resin marijuana being turned into a van. And then the fact that they're driving around the town, and because it's on fire and getting hot from the exhaust, people are just getting high.

I had to rewatch the part where the cop pulls up next to him on the motorcycle. It leans down and sniffs the tailpipe. And then comes up, and by the time he gets up to the window, he digs off his helmet and goes, can I help you guys? And he's like, what? You stop me? No.

He's like, can I have that hot dog? He doesn't even ask for the hot dog. He goes, can I have a bite of that hot dog? And Chong looks, he goes, sure, man, had the whole thing. No, I actually did like it. And here's the thing, too, is it was just like funny and lighthearted and stuff. That's how stoner movies are supposed to be. And it's just like you described.

with your thought process of like looking for a strong structured plot. The best part about a stoner movie is that it doesn't have to have that. Like you don't have to be worried about plot points. You can just sit there and laugh your ass off and just enjoy the shit out of it. Because in the end, all movies, like some movies are supposed to depict reality. All you're supposed to do with movies is enjoy them. It's just purely entertaining. I fully believe that.

I think where the difference for me is is, is, I don't know if it's just the, it's not that I don't enjoy like the funny aspects of it and everything. I just feel like if I'm stoned in watching a movie, I'm trying to like pick stuff out of it and like kind of go deeper into it and everything. And when there's nothing deeper under there, I'm just like, it's like digging and then the hard dirt is like two inches down.

You just get concrete. You can't dig anymore. And I just keep raking my nails. There's really nothing to it. I mean, Chong's a a burnout rich kid whose parents cut him off

I love the fact that he's I love that that's the whole point as it shows him and that opening see it I'm like they make it sound like he's gone to like a year of college

and he's 40 playing in a band but he does have the sweet Volkswagen beetle with the Bentley grill on the front of it I thought it was a Rolls Royce or Rolls Royce

yes I thought it was a rules voice and then I saw it glanced away from the screen and looked back and I saw the back I was like, the fuck did I miss? It's just, it's all about being a good time.

And we'll talk about another one coming up, nice dreams. You got to watch nice dreams after Up and Spoke because Sergeant Stadanko really gets into, he puts his foot in it. Are they sequel? Oh, yeah. Oh, okay. Yeah, they did four of them. Nice Dreams was probably the best sequel, and we'll talk about that coming out. But the other kind of big hit from the 70s as far as movies goes, Valley of the Dolls, anything, nothing?

No. Yeah, that one doesn't sound great. That one sounds fucking like that you wouldn't sleep that night. Be like, these fucking dolls are going to come alive? Yeah, that's a pod horror movie. That's Chucky before Chucky. I realize the title is probably one of those titles that has nothing to do with the actual movie, but it sounds creepy. Could be.

All right, 80s. Yeah, 80s was a fun decade. As far as music goes, this is really when you start seeing hip-hop. And not necessarily rap, but kind of getting to it starts to embrace the marijuana culture and their music. Pass the Dutchie by music youth. Okay. I don't think you want to classify that as hip-hop. You went from hip-hop to pass the to Tocchi by the left-and-side.

No, but the next one after that compared to Chiba Chiba by Tone Loke, fantastic. Tone Loke has like, doesn't he have like three hit songs? And that's all you needed. Because he was a pioneer. He did it so early on that he became a producer. It's a wild thing. Funky cool Medina. And is it Shiba?

Uh-huh. But yeah, he just, he found what worked. And then I assume that he probably just started producing as much music as possible for everybody else. Because that's what the real money was back then. And starring in your own movies. Yeah? Blank check.

I forgot about that. He's in Blank Check. Blank Check is awesome. How much did he write the check for? I know we're getting off topic, but wasn't it like... I think he was a million dollars? It wasn't a million. Was it?

I know it wasn't like a staggering amount of money today. Ooh, maybe it was a million. Because he was a kid. He had no understanding. But like... It bought so much. I know, but that's the thing is he, like, did he lease the house or did he buy the house? Because the house was for sale and he outbid someone like online for it, didn't he?

Uh-huh. So he bought the house, had like... like a water slide attached to an entire video. We're getting off, I can't talk, and I can't do a review of blank check right now. And then you get Bob showing up at Buffalo Soldier in 83. And Bob's whole career could span this entire board just with everything, not the later years. But he was just such on the forefront of pot culture.

And you had in the 70s, just a quick flashback, Peter Tosh putting out legalize it. I'll go far all goes far to say that if you were to say like what artist is synonymous with marijuana it would either

like nowadays if you ask someone it would be like Snoop or maybe for our generation of Snoop there might be someone younger that younger people would pick but if you ask someone before like Snoop and everything like that it was Bob Marley. And even now if people aren't into hip hop it probably is

still Bob Marley. He's the poster child for pot and for having just a million kids. The poster child for love of pot, hatred of condoms. Did him and James Bond know each other? Probably. Bob's, yeah, his whole career was just

so intertwined with pot culture and it's, I haven't been in a dorm room in a long time, but I remember being in college and he was, he had to have been in every dorm room Third. You go one, two, three, Bob Marley poster.

One, two, three, Ball Marley poster. I'm sure they even snuck him on to look at. There was some Tupac ones mixed in. Some slim shadies in there. But he just, that's what he was and that's what he lived. That's what he loved.

And I wish that we were doing Bob better and things were in a better, better way now. But I think we're getting there. I still don't know. I don't know if it's still legal in Jamaica or illegal in Jamaica. I think it is. Is it? Yeah.

That's just a weird weird thing. All right, movies coming out. We have, I do have no idea what nice dreams is. Cheechen Chung's nice dreams. Oh, okay, Cheechingham. Yeah, so they start selling marijuana,

but they do it out of an ice cream truck. Okay. What are they? They didn't call it nice dreams? Yep. It's got a big old head on it and they're just serving up that dank all across L.A. Out of it.

Did they hide it in the ice cream? No. No, it's just in the first. freezers. They're just dimes and nicks and aths and ounces that are just in bags in the freezers. No one's if we're curious why it's only adults going up to this ice cream ice cream truck. Again,

we're diving too deep for these guys. Yeah, this is my problem, I think. But the big thing is, is there is a strain of weed out on the street that is turning people into reptilian creatures. Yes. I have to watch this now.

Fantastic. God damn it. Absolutely fantastic. one of the ones that you said that you recently went back and hit and this is where we're going to start this conversation. But Fast Times at Ridgemont High. Okay. So here's the conversation. There are stoner movies and there are movies with memorable stoner characters. We're probably the most memorable character in the movie is a stoner, but it's not a stoner movie.

Is that what we're getting at? Yeah. And this really fits into it, kind of the next two fit into it that I got. But Fast Times has... The next three you have. Well, the last one on there is certainly a stoner movie. I think so? I think so.

Okay. But Fast Times at Ridgemont High had probably a top 10 stoner character in it in Spicoli. He was just literally, I'm sure, what stoners looked like in the 80s. There's no way. If someone envisioned a California surfer stoner, that would be exactly what it is. Vans, ripped jeans, long hair. No way. Talk, yeah, talk just...

Mr. Hand. The entire time. He just, he, he was the kid that probably found pot in junior high or middle school and just rode it on into high school. And by that time in his career, he just checked out. Oh, yeah. All he wanted to do is surf. But, but... All he needs is, what do he say?

Some tasty waves, some sweet brews. He sucked as a person. I don't think I would have been buddies with Spacoli. Okay, so... I'd have bought my pot from him for sure. Yes. So, great stoner character, but not a stoner movie. Because the whole center of the movie, I'm not going to lie to you either.

Fast Times watching that as an adult, kind of creepy. A little bit creepy, but not a bad movie still. No, but it's creepy because the whole, you know, the whole thing you've heard about, like, the Phoebe Cat scene where she comes out of the pool. Yeah, ultimate cinematic scene. Yeah, but what they don't like, if you see that on, like, crazy cinematic, like memorable scenes. What they don't also tell you is like in the movie.

She's like 15. And what, and it's actually Judge Reinhold beaten his dick in the bathroom to that image of her getting. And he's having that imaginary scene of her getting out of the pool. That's when you've got to tell yourself

these characters, I understand that. I understand that. But at the same time going back because like nowadays, you have to watch like, what is it on, fuck, the one that you talk about sometimes,

euphoria. Like you watch that now. And you're like, I know that these actors are much older and everything. But even still the high school like sex scene part of it, it's still kind of you're just like, eh. It's good that you feel uncomfortable. It is good. You feel uncomfortable. What I'm saying is back then when like they actually looked more of that age and I don't know.

In movies like that, I feel like they used to try to cast younger, it felt a little anyway. A little uncomfortable. It was a good movie though, basically just because it had that character. And it is kind of why I think it's put into that category. I think we kind of see it with Caddyshack, too, because 1980, one of my top five favorite movies of all time. Caddyshack is, it has the stoner aspect of Bill Murray. It's not just Bill Murray, though. No, because Danny.

Yeah, Danny Newton smokes, too. A couple of the caddies caught smoking. Ty definitely smoked. Is it Ty Webb? Yeah, Ty Webb. Ty Webb. He ends up smoking. You do drugs, Denny?

Every day. Good boy. And some of the other caddies do, yeah. So it's definitely all around it. And you get the sweet line, whatever Bill Murray says to Ty Webb, when he shows him the grass. And he says that it's a mix of Kentucky blue grass and Sensumia. And Sensa, yeah. He's growing his own hybrid grass weed.

and it just it's definitely a great movie but it's just not a stoner movie okay so under categories of stoner movies movies with stoners movies with stoners yeah okay and last one breakfast club

I think that this is a full-fledged stoner movie just because like the most important scene is towards the end when they're all smoking they're hanging out in the library they're smoking in a circle everybody's everybody's starting to give out their issues and they're talking about it in a way.

I definitely think. And the whole caper of the movie is trying to get to John's locker to get the weed. Okay. That's why I was going to say, unless the whole plot is furthered by them smoking, I don't think I would consider it a stoner movie. But because in Breakfast Club, if you're saying that the plot is central to getting the weed, then yeah, I'll consider it a stoner movie. Well, yeah, because that's kind of the big deal.

is they're trying to avoid principal... Oh, I forgot what his name is. Principal Dickhead to get to that pot. So it all is kind of centered around the caper of trying to get there. That's why I would say it's definitely a stoner movie, but it really just fits that 80s mold completely. Like those could be kids at really any high school, I think, across the country. I think that really opened it up a lot for younger generations to see it.

And be like, okay, I can relate to this. We can even do this. So if we want to... This is going to be cheating a little bit, but I think this helps even more so. So you have like fast times that takes place in 82. You have Breakfast Club that takes place. They're time relevant.

Like they take place when they're filmed and everything. Let's jump back from the 90s from a movie and throw days to confuse back before fast times. Because it really feels like it, huh? I swear to God when I watched that, man, I completely forget until I actually like notice Ben Affleck and like I'm paying attention. I completely, even the way it's filmed, the graininess and everything. The film quality seems like it's, it's perfect.

Part of why that movie is so fucking good. But I think if we put that back and establish essentially that like as an accurate representation of the 70s, that's, you know, that's a stoner movie. Oh yeah. It's not, okay, well, it's not central. to the plot, but it's prevalent throughout. Isn't the entire first scene doesn't it show Milo Jovovich? Isn't she

rolling a joint in the car as they pull into the parking lot? On Sweet Emotion? I think she's in there rolling one. No, I think she was rolling one because they were in the back of the beetle. No, no, no. Wasn't it? The first scene where it first comes in...

They're coming down the strip? No, I mean the first scene where it does Sweet Emotion and it's the judge, the Pontiac judge. Okay. And it turns into the parking lot and they're parking for the first day of school. She's riding with her boyfriend, Pickford, and she's in the passenger seat rolling a joint. Yeah, I think that that was probably just 60th culture, though. Like, I get-70s. Or 70s culture. That's, it's central to the idea of it, but the whole core is like the growing up and moving into high school and the hazing and everything like that. The pot is just kind of like the ancillary character of just what they did. So you consider it a

movie with stoner characters. I think it is. That's probably the only one that we'll disagree on, but it feels more like a movie with stoner characters. Okay. So, jumping ahead to, oh, TV in the 80s. Yeah, TV in the 80s was a big

Nancy Reagan, just say no campaign. It played out on so many TV shows, anything with a family in it. That was when PSAs started getting really big. And they started putting in, they basically were turning these shows into PSAs, a 30 minute long. Archie Bunker's Place.

What was it called Bunker Madness? And I think it's like his daughter or something like that Smoking Weed DeFit It. I just read a quick synopsis, but Archie Bunker is definitely somebody who is anti-pot. Like that man certainly had very anti-green

views. Yeah. This one, we should have been doing some different PSAs for this one, but the Cosby Show. Leo! the joint. Rudy. I would imagine how Dr.

Huxable was probably so disappointed that he was using something as weak as weed to try to placate these women. He finds Theo's joint. He looks at him and he's like, how are you supposed to slip this in a woman's drink? Leo, they have to volunteer to smoke this.

Let me get me some of my sleepy bills. You can't hide this in a... I do a horrible Bill Cosby. I think Bill Cosby is a... Do you get it? Yeah. Do you can, okay. Yeah, Bill Cosby's a horrible Bill Cosby. Like, it's, nobody can do a good Bill Cosby.

Um, Punky Brewster. I don't have any understanding of that show. I think she was like a pig tail girl who... He's an orphan or something like that. They're either an orphan or the butler raises them or something like that. That was big. Mr. Belvedere, who's the boss. There was a big era of Butler's raising children.

But again, a show that was definitely on like network TV. and the episode was called Just Say No. Of course. So clearly, again, along the Nancy Reagan lines, the war against drugs, it was full-fledged there. Facts of Life, don't know about that show at all. You don't know about that. You take the good, you take the bad, you take them all. That was like Facts of Life was the one with all the girls living under the one woman,

and it was like a boarding house for girls or something like that. and fuck what was the woman's name she was like an old red-headed woman that sounds like a terrible show i watched a lot of these shows i don't i'm trying to figure out at what stage in my life i was watching a lot of these shows this was back when i was like 12 and 13 on like nick at night and shit uh what was the one of kirk cameron that was uh fuck uh it was boner yeah it was with allan thick in it um full house was danny tanner and all them what those There's probably so many people that are just like, oh my God.

You dumbass. I'm sure they had something. Move forward. I'm finding what this is. One of my favorite shows that I probably watch too much of and that was near and dear to my heart. Golden Girls even had an episode called Blanche's Little Girl about Blanche's little girl about Blanche finding out that her daughter smoked the...

Growing pains. Growing pains. Yes, yes, yes, yes. Growing pains. That one was good. Did they do it? I'm assuming they did a weed episode. Had to have been. But excuse me, we're starting to see even though...

Wait, so go back to Golden Girls. Did you watch the episode? That's one that I'm blanking on, but I'm going to have to go back and watch it. If anyone, who in the Golden Girls' house would just be like, not a big deal. Like, I thought Blanche might have been the one. She would have been the only one because there's no way Dorothy's Bornaq was getting stone. She was two straight-laced into teacher. Oh, I see Sophia maybe. yeah Sophia definitely coulda

could have smoked back in like in Sicily I'm trying to remember the name of the village she always says she always just says Sicily 1940 or something like that Cicely 1940 Rose definitely wasn't getting stoned

in St. Olaf that wasn't happening around there they might have been eating some mushrooms but there's no way that St. Olaf people were getting high Now let's take the character now take the actors do we think the actress part took Yeah. B. Arthur seems like I like to imagine that I live in that world that B. Arthur like to smoke.

Oddly enough, though, I think Blanche would be the one in real life that probably wouldn't. So maybe that's why this episode happened the way that it was. Oh, I don't know. Yeah. I don't know a lot. I don't know a whole lot outside of Golden Girls. She was just kind of the catty old coog

on Golden Girls. I think I like Golden Girls and I don't really want to say this, but it's going to come out. Is there was a little bit of to Blanche. Blanche was like just super slutty, man. Is that it? Because she was very old.

She was like one of the younger ones in the house. But yeah, she was very sexually active. Okay. Maybe that's what the appeal is. Yeah. Now moving on into the 90s, this is kind of when shit went crazy. Cypress Hill is probably my, I would put them on my Mount Cushmore of the musical acts that really

sort of embraced pot culture. There's everything that they put out. Hits from the bong was one of their biggest ones. But they... Not even subtle. No, no, no. Very in your face. This just goes to show you the stark difference

between like the 70s song titles and still like that 80s song titles, that kind of stuff. And just the 90s were like, nope, we're out of fucks. Go straight to it. Yeah. It's from the bong. This ain't don't step on the grass soon. This is,

hits from the bong, but Cypress Hill played such a big part in just the marijuana movement in rap and hip hop. And they actually are one of the only musical acts that is banned from playing Saturday Night Live. And they're banned from playing Saturday Night Live because the guitarist lit a joint on stage while they were playing, which seems like a move now that's not shocking, but back in the 90s. Oh yeah. I'm sure it was huge. That was a very big deal. time Ashley Simpson got caught lip syncing. Yeah, I'd say that was a bigger scandal. But just stuff like that.

They, they worked so much to try to, not only through their music, but they worked with this guy named Jack Herrera. Is that what the strain comes from? Yep. Jack Herrera is where it came from. He founded a, I forgot the exact what it stands for, but he founded hemp. And it's- He founded hemp?

Yeah, it's help and marijuana prohibition. Oh, got you. So it's an acronym for help in marijuana prohibition. You got to make sure you lead with that. He created hemp? He created hemp? He was very active trying to legislate and trying to make some stuff happen. And I completely forgot to mention this.

I would be kind of remiss if I didn't because we're talking about three to four different kinds of pop culture things. Back in the 70s and 80s, magazines were a big deal. Like that was a big form of Huge. And High Times was actually founded in 1974. Nice. So High Times Magazine is published over 500 issues and it was founded in, yeah, they published over 500 issues since 1974.

So still in circulation today. They've pushed it back, I believe, to they do it every three months or quarterly instead of monthly. But still around in some forms. They created something called the Cannabis Cup. Are you familiar? I actually like to try to seek out their strains, previous winners, and try those out. Yeah.

And it was founded all the way back in 1988 by one of the others. Before that, because you just said that it was around since 74. The Cannabis Cup is around since 808. So 14 years after the magazine started, they started the Cannabis Cup. It usually takes place in November and Amsterdam. They hold them in America now. The first one in America was 2010. So fairly recent, but in the grand scheme of things, they started in 88.

It took till 2010 to get one here in America. How long does that? Like, how long does it take to judge that? Because you have to smoke it and like smoke enough to where you can feel everything and then give it time and then have that completely worn off. Yeah, it's not like tasting wine. Like you're going to be living in that high. Yeah, you can't put water in your mouth and spit it out to like clear the taste. So they got to have a cop walk by every time they smoke one just to lighten them back up and bring them back to zero.

I don't know, man. Like it takes a week to test like one strain completely. I think they, they mostly judge him now on like coloration on crystal formations. I think it maybe has to taste visually before they'll even try it. It's got to, it's got to have some, some, umami factor to get it in the door.

Yep. You smoke and you eat with your eyes first, apparently. But we have an actual, basically as a worldwide thing now, an international competition for who can grow the best marijuana. That, to me, seems like a full, like, just you've accepted it, you've agreed to it. Like, we need to keep pushing to make this legal because how many states, how many people that grow, I'm sure the people that are really great at growing

probably find legal states to start working on their, working their craft. But how many more minds could we have on this if this was completely legal? We've had that conversation all the way back in literally episode one a year ago is where would we be today as far as the progression and advancement of all products that could have been used from hemp advancements in medical marijuana and like stuff that could have been pulled out of it, turpins for if it was being used prior to opiates being created, would opiates have even been created?

We can go down that. That's too long for a row to go down. But like, yeah, what could have, what it should have happened? Well, it's not crazy, especially now because the quickest leap that you could make is how would opiates in pain pills have taken off if marijuana was legal then? That's what I'm saying. Like, it just, it. Or like what tinctures would have already been created out of just like separating the THC had there been researched into it. Here's a question.

So, you know, when they cross strains and everything? Great hybrids. The great hybrids. What if you just took, do you think sometimes when they're making concentrate, they just take the concentrate of the two strains

they're wanting to make into the hybrid and just mix them together into the cartridge? No, because anything that's a hybrid like that, you have to create the plant and then use the extra. I hope so. I just described a really lazy way you do,

and I hope there's not just someone being like, like a peanut butter and jelly. Like making a fucking suicide at the gas. when you just put your drink under and you like can you just mix me white widow pineapple express i want a little a cup a few drops of everything can you imagine that how long is that going to be before that's a real thing i don't think it would work that way before they you know the make your own fragrance fragrance put some fucking sandal wood in there i i'm more of a i'm cool that the hybrids

are happening i think we're getting some fun stuff but i don't like the fact that i think older like tried and true strains that have traveled and stood the test of time it's overwhelming yeah seeing seeing all of the things and then seeing how similar of the effects that they're supposed to have but then like i'm literally at the point now where i'm just like just fine like four four strains and then i see something i'll pull up leafly and i'll see something new'll be like oh look at that that's the old pot smoker that you're you're just born into old pot smoker because you see shit Got a old pot hole. Yeah.

You're like the old man yelling at clouds when you see dosy does. And I'm like, docy doze. We can't be naming this shit after Girl Scout cookies. Don't be talking. No, dosy dose is amazing. But we can't be doing that. Just let's keep something the same names or even normal names. I'll take Alaskan thunder fuck over dosy does any day.

Because I know what I'm getting with that. Well, one of the best ones is gelato. That's not a tough name. Jolato is like the best kind of ice cream. That's true. But yeah, just even before Jack Herrera, there was something called Normal that came out. The National Organization for Reform of Marijuana Laws, it was established in 1970, so even before that. Normals' mission is, it supports the removal of all penalties for the private possession, responsible use of marijuana by adults, including cultivation for personal use and casual nonprofit transit.

transfers a small amount so you can give it to your buddies after you grow it. So the same stuff we're still fighting for today. Yeah. It's kind of one of those things where this has been getting worked on since the 70s. And to some capacity, it wasn't a big deal because I want to say the biggest contribution, like the biggest contributor to normal that they ever got, was Hugh Hefner was given like $100,000 a year. So legally, I don't know how much money they had to like get into Congress and try to fight this. That doesn't sound like much.

No, no, especially not for the government. That'll get you some flyers, but that's not going to get you much. Yeah. And Cypress Hill, pairing up and kind of working with Jack Herrera and learning from him, was kind of like the pop culture side and the legal side starting to come together, the governmental side starting to come together to try to make a change happen. Yeah. After that, again, pretty straightforward.

Red Man, how high? Red Man's such a better actor and not even saying he's a good actor. and not even saying he's a great actor, but he's so... Wait, no, no, no. Method Man's better than Red Man. Method Man's the taller one, right? Method Man was Silas. Okay, yes, sorry.

Method Man is a much, much better actor than Red Man. But Red Man's so much funny. No, he is not. Dude, Bart Ford. Okay, can we just go? Okay. We see it popping off into kind of grunge-type rock era, Sublime, Smoke Two Joints,

which was a cover of an older song. I think it was a Peter... I don't think Sublime ever got away from... this. No. That wasn't an error for Sublime. That's just Sublime's music. Yeah.

And that really, it kind of is like sort of like a reggae punk. I don't even really know how to describe it, but it was great. Like, I love Sublime. Yeah. I think they're fantastic.

You know what you're going to, if you put in Sublime, you know what you're going to get. Yeah, you're not getting a tear jerker by any means. Um, hi till I die from Tupac. Da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da.

Fantastic song. Champagne Supernova. Yeah, Oasis. And even in country, looking back Texas, Wayland and Willie and the Boys. A song was about smoking weed. There's a country song.

Oh, yeah. I mean, Willie Nelson, Merle Haggard, Johnny Cash actually had a song about weed. Hank Gwings Jr. sang about it. And then there's a ton of current,

I think actually, here you go, 2017 study shows country music includes the most drug references over hip hop oh that's not shocking at all it if you're out there really living in the country that's got to be boring a shit you got to have some sort of common ground i've i've thought about this probably more than i should have i guess it also helps growing up in a small town you've got to be high while you're plowing fields right got to just while you're literally just driving a tractor in a straight line very slow. You just have to be high listening to music. If you're older than like age 12 to

where that like funness of that wears off, you got to be high. The novelty of driving a vehicle. Yeah. Yeah. So anything before a license, I'm sure once that fun wears off, you just, you have to have something else to occupy your mind. So we're in agreement. That's like 100% certainty. Yeah. I don't know how. It's like Harold and Kumar, the second one, when they run into David Kekner. and he's out in the woods with his smoking hot wife and he invites him for dinner and he goes but we got to get high first and he pulls out the humidor that's full of joints

he's like I didn't or I think Coomor goes I didn't realize you guys did this he goes have you ever tried farming not high he's like he's boring as shit that's right so yeah I assume that country music I mean this is a natural handshake but it seems like they

besides Willie and Wayland and those guys they were kind of the last ones on to it. But back into 90s stuff, Dr. Dre, still DRE, fantastic, just really like, I don't really know how you put it. This was just the era for this. The up and smoke tour was going on during this time and into the 2000s.

So you have Snoop. That was a tour that went on like every year for a while, wasn't it? Yeah. Snoop, Dr. Dre, Mac 10, all those dudes were showing up, and all it was was just getting high on, and rapping all the time. This one, I was surprised that it was this long ago, but Ben Harper burned one down.

It was in the 90s. Ben Harper's still good today. Like, that's a hell of a career. Ben Harper's one of those musicians that when he was like 20, you thought he was 40. Yeah, okay. And everything. And so I think that's helping him kind of stretch that career out.

But Ben Harper makes him excellent fuck music. Hey, yeah, really anything. I mean, I don't know if I'd mix business with, pleasure because if I hear one outside, like in public and I'm a little bit randy about it, that's going to be rough. You just deal with it. But he's great. He's still, like I said, he's still making stuff today.

Then you have Snoop. Next episode, I believe gin and juice was around this time too. So smoking on that endo, sipping on gin and juice. It was, had completely fully, rap culture had embraced. Hey, hey. Marijuana smoking at this point. It got to smoke the weed every day. movies

this the list is just huge dazed and confused like we talked about earlier did you have any other music or no no I think that's good for music 90s probably like I missed with the 80s

Tom Petty I think I probably already mentioned that Yeah stank power he's just he's still there These guys are still going I think there is something to that Yeah I Maybe they're not drinking as much Maybe if you're smoking

You're not drinking as much and that kind of helps with and you're kind of staying away maybe if you're not going into the hard shit, the harder shit. You think Keith Richards smoked so much weed that he just smoked himself beyond an expiration day.

He pickled himself. He pickled himself with the weed and so now nothing can actually get in. It's hardened all of his internal organs. So when he does cocaine, like hardly any of that coke's getting in. The rest of it's just going going out the other nostril.

I have to explain this to you, sir, but you're actually so drugged up that the drugs aren't doing anything. We can't tell you you're dead, but also we can't tell you you're alive. No, nothing else on movies. Okay. Or on music. Oh, music, yeah.

Yeah, movies, like we mentioned, dazed and confused. Friday, another just absolute fucking classic with Craig and Day Day, Day, and everybody was just an awesome ice cube movie. Get a little Polly Shore in there with some biodome. Biodome was absolutely great. And probably my personal favorite stoner. film actually probably second behind up and smoke half baked. Half baked is, it's a Christmas movie. I watch it every year on 420 without fail,

whether it's in the morning, afternoon, or night. See, I watched that movie first without having ever smoked before. Uh-huh. And I think I've watched it too many times having never have smoked. And then saw it after. And I actually don't know if I've watched it stone yet. You got to, man. It's all the great little jokes.

I know there's a lot of rights of passage. Oh, Bill and Ted. Were they stoner? Oh, God, come on. There weren't any references to part really. My name is Ted Theodore Logan, and I am Bill S. Preston Esquire. We are Wild Stallions. Come on, man.

But there wasn't a whole lot of marijuana references. I'm telling you right now, they were basically like Jeff Spacoli. That's exactly how they acted. They were burnouts. Yeah, I'll give it to you. want everyone to be cool to each other. Be excellent to each other. They had a great message.

But yes, Bill and Ted are... Yes. Okay. I can go with that. Detroit Rock City falls into this great stoner characters, but not a pop movie. You've seen it? Yes.

If you haven't seen it, it's another... Always weird seen Edward for a long and stuff. That's not Terminator. Yeah. But it's something that may have flown under the radar, I guess I didn't know about it until probably like 15 years ago, but it's a very good movie. Yeah, you start to see the expansion in it's still comedies.

I don't think there's ever really been a serious weed movie to date. But it was all fun stuff. It's because you don't have to weed bear. It's not fucking cocaine bear. If it's weed bear, the bear just gets fucking tired. Yeah, there's going to be no, not a lot of action. There's going to no action. It's a movie about marijuana.

All that's going to happen is the most action is you're going to run out of fucking snacks. And someone's going to have to try to work their fucking. Yes. And someone's going to have to work their phone to DoorDash something. That's going to be the drama. Like, I can't order. Lifeys out. TV is where the 90s really nailed marijuana on the head.

Really pinned it down and sent a great message. Oh, yeah. I mean, I don't know. There's some stuff that I like old niche TV shows. Like you remember dinosaurs. I got I got it written done right here. Okay. Here's the thing about TV in the 90s.

This was when Dare became a thing. Maybe late 80s, early 90s. I remember Dare was a thing when I was going through school. Definitely like in the mid-90s. Yeah, dare happened. Dare was in part because of the Reagan shit, right? Yeah. One of the bushes.

It was in part of the Iran-Colns. thing. That's what it came about. Was that okay? The guy who got Dare, like, dedicated to him or whatever, died during a ray during a rank contra. So what? Drug awareness. I don't know what it stands for. Resource education or something. I have an idea what the R stands for what I'm not going to say. So, hey, man, I actually gave a speech for Dare. So you can obviously tell that it stuck. It may have delayed it for a couple years, maybe. Do you remember signing the contract? If anything, the only thing, the only thing, the only thing, the only thing, the only thing, the only only thing it delayed was probably me getting pussy for multiple years not doing drugs. Good chance. You remember signing contracts, right, though? Because you had to sign a contract or else you wouldn't get your red ribbon? Yeah, I'm assuming I did. What kind of bullshit is that that they're

trying to get children? It's not legally binding. You're a minor, man. Brainwashing. So out of all of these, there was a, there was one show that actually kind of went a different way about it that stands out was Roseanne. And that whole thing was they found a bag of weed in, what was this David? Johnny Gilecky. The daughter's, what husband? David, yeah. They found a bag of weed in his room.

And it was this big thing that it would normally be on a, you know, a 90s sitcom talking about whose it is, which kid it belongs to. Wasn't it the dude from Big Bang Theory's room? Johnny Glecky. Is that, yeah. That's who it was? Yeah. And then come to find out, Dan finally remember.

members that it's his bag of weed that him and Roseanne had bought prior to having kids and everything. And then they all go in the bathroom and like, uh, not Becky. What's the sister's name? Darlene? The Roseanne sister. Is it Aunt Becky? Or am I thinking of my confusing full house? It might be Becky. I don't know. I didn't watch it. Anyway, they go in there and try to smoke in the bathroom. And they found out the 20 year old weed doesn't fucking get you. Yeah. You don't say. Um, then you had, I think saved by the bell might have been my favorite

marijuana-centric episode from the 90s. You had Johnny Dakota movie star coming to a California high school looking to film a public service announcement about not doing drugs.

Zach sees his opportunity. He gets, I guess he gets the gang together, Lisa and Screech and AC and a couple guys to sing a non-drug rap or something on the stairs of the main hallway

bayside convinces Johnny Dakota to use their school for the public service announcement well about halfway through the episode as Johnny and Zach are getting all chummy because of course

Zach wants to use Johnny's movie star status to finger bang as many women as possible Good on it Have you seen the Zach Morris's trash stuff No I've heard about it I like Saved by the Bell but saved by the bell was almost too out there for me

No no what I'm saying is watch it and it literally just makes it look like without having to like move anything around that Zach Morris is like literally the biggest piece of shit in the world I could say that. During this episode he tries to basically take Kelly who's his ex-girlfriend and like forces her to like hey you gotta get with Johnny you can get me in good with him and everything

while they find a joint at Bayside and they think they're at you know at risk of having the PSA taken away and they won't be able to act in it so they throw it away or flush it. And then Johnny invites him after they get done filming or the night before they're going to film to a party at his house. He's inviting high schoolers over here.

They should be fucking grateful they're getting to come. Oh, I didn't say that. He is actually hitting on a high schooler. Regardless, during this party, he takes a hit off a joint. Zach comes in is basically like, come on, Kelly, we're getting out of here. And then basically it proceed

to throw away the PSC. say opportunity. But I mean, hey, it's not like the guy wasn't in his own home. He was enjoying himself while others were right. An employed actor in his own home. Listen. He bought that weed with his own money. Yeah.

And guess what? He's out here telling kids not to smoke it. True. He was trying to hit on a high schooler, so I'd like to imagine that he's no older than 20 years old. But chances are he was probably 27, 28, maybe even early 30s. And what are we taught as adults to do? Tell children do as I say, not as I do.

Exactly. It's just how it goes down. But just the way that they did it at the end where they're like, oh, what did it? I'm trying to remember how it goes into it. It's like, what words do you think about when you think of marijuana? And then it goes to each other characters and they all say one word. It's like, stupid, reckless, dangerous. And then it goes to Zach and he's like, say nope to dope or some shit.

It was very memorable, apparently. Not just bad. Just bad TV. Ever since I saw the episode, I think it was one of them got addicted to no dose. Oh, Kelly, or no, Jesse got addicted to yeah, to caffeine pills. Come on. We can't be doing that. That was way too early for that stuff.

I'm so excited. Jesus fucking Christ. But somehow they figured out how to put a pot PSA in the hit show Dinosaurs. This is probably. the best execution of it. Because home improvement didn't do a good job. No, no, that one. I don't even really remember that one.

Home improvement basically... Tim Allen, a guy that got caught trafficking cocaine, giving a real hard speech on marijuana. Yeah, it basically made it out to where it almost compared and made it seem like being an alcoholic was more favorable to smoking pot. And then there was another horrible, like, comparison or basic, like, analogy that was a bunch of bullshit. But yeah, dinosaurs.

Makes sense. Totally relevant. These are dinosaurs, so why wouldn't they have pot smoking issues? For those of you not aware what dinosaurs was, who was a show in the early 90s, basically featuring actors in giant rubber dinosaur animatronic suits. For the longest time in my life, I thought this was just something that I had made up. Because I actually had to Google it one day. This show was real, right?

I'm like, I didn't remember this baby dinosaur with this, not the mama gimmick and everything. That had to have been real. My brain wouldn't have come up with that. This was the Bernstein Bears, Berenstein Bears thing. I didn't think that it was real. I thought it might have been like a spin-off of the Flintstones or something, but no,

very real. I even tried to go back and watch a couple episodes. Not the worst thing I've seen. No, not the best thing. No, definitely not. Robbie, the hip, like older son dinosaur, finds a new leaf that makes him feel really happy, and he brings it home,

and then he has, He gets his dad and sister to try it to, right? And then they basically all get hooked on this happy leaf. And then what it ends up like they end up running out of their stash or something like that and going through withdrawals. And then the mom says some like weird like comment to them or something like that about needing to go to rehab or something like that. But basically the hill did this with smoking cigarettes and they executed it way better. That was at least doing something useful. Yeah.

But and then they actually had like a look to camera. in their mechanical dinosaur costumes like full on like marijuana PSA about how dangerous it was and then now we get to the good stuff I was gonna say all it took was what six years and then we

get that 70 show huge hit one of my favorite series ever just you're hanging out down in the basement with your your neighbor who's your crush who then becomes your girlfriend the old pink room next door Dona Pinceotti huh I said the ultimate girl next door, Donna Pensiotti.

Yeah, she seemed a little manly to me, but... Well, it was like because of the size disparity between her and Eric. That, and then you're also comparing her to Milakunas. That's true. Doesn't help. Who's a... Yes, she's just a very small individual. It just...

For its time, I remember it growing up. I mean, I think we started watching it probably from the first season. I think my brother may have said something about it, and we started watching it. And, like, we even watch this as a family. Like my parents would watch that 70 show with us Well, it was also subtle about it You never saw them smoking or even lighting anything I think you saw them like

And it was always incense, wasn't it? Yeah, when they would do the circle scenes It was always the smoke blowing around there But yeah, but you never saw how they were actually burning it Or anything like that The only thing you ever saw them light was incense I also think too It's like the only time you ever see marijuana on the show

Like during an episode is in a brown bag Like a brown paper bag I don't think you ever see the actual. The only time that it ever even gets close is when red takes it out when they go up to the cabin and it's green, but it's really oregano. Uh-huh. And so I think because it was oregano, that's why they really showed it that one time. Yeah, because even when it gets to the later seasons when Leo, Tommy Chong, leaves them the film canister and everything and it's just full, you just see it in almost like a Pulp Fiction briefcase. Like you just see the light shine on their face when they open it.

And I want to say, going out of the. photo hut too it was in the little photo canisters or something like that yeah photo canisters back before we had like pot shops and weed shops that's just where you kept your pot yeah and so you had to either know somebody that was really into taking pictures

or like go try to buy try to raid your parents old like photo umostache me like do we have any of these you guys need a one hour photo spices let's go no but I mean that 70 show was a show that was on Fox had a huge following

still has a huge following on rewatch and streaming. And I mean, that right there, the almost every episode had something related to that. It was never the point of the show, but even some episodes completely focused on them refilling the stash or one of them getting in trouble for it or something like that. But even today, the spinoff they've done,

the remake, that 90 show. I think it was either the first or second episode. It was them losing their bag of weed that was stashed there from like, I think the 70 show days. Like something about Kelso's kid says something about, hey, my dad says there's a stash down here. Yeah.

Okay, so Freaks and Geeks, did Freaks and Geeks take place in 99 as well? 99 and 2000. No, no, no. When was the show supposed to take place? I think it was earlier on. I think it was a throwback, but it wasn't a throwback to the 70s. No, no, no. It was supposed to be like a late 80s, early 90s, maybe even a little bit.

Somewhere around there. Not like golden years or. my point on these two shows is because freaks and geeks I think freaks and geeks falls into the category of shows with stoners I think that 70s show can be either or yeah I think it goes either way it's one of those rare ones I think you get away with these shows though later in the 90s because they don't

they're not taking place currently well you can always point to them being like well that's just how it was in the 70s or freaks and geeks being like well that's how it was in the late 80s or something like that you never have to worry about it being effective of like the time you're living in right now. That's why when something gets shown in a show that's supposed to be taking place modern day and it's really crazy. It's so like, because it's now. It's happening now.

It gives you that feeling. There's no, it was a different time back then. Exactly. And so like with that 70s show, maybe part of the reason why it wasn't such a big deal and you didn't have some. You never heard anyone advocate against that 70 show. No. I never even heard anyone say, I'm not allowed to watch that 70 show. I mean, like I say, my parents watched it because everybody had a character that they could relate to.

Parents even saw Red and Kitty and they're like, this makes sense. I had a mom of her life. I had no if I was red and kitty now when I watch stuff and I'm just like, Jesus Christ. But I think that that's what it was. You can point back and be like, this is just how it was back then. This isn't how things work now. No, there's some, I don't know if it's necessarily a conspiracy theory. It's been proven.

But supposedly the only reason that Freaks and Geeks only got one season, which Freaks and Geeks was a great show. Yeah. It's still very cool following. It's awesome. But in the last episode, um, Jason Segal's character pressure is one of the girls into smoking for the first time

and I guess the executives may have felt uncomfortable with the direction the show was going after that happened and that's why they never got a second season that's why I think I heard that too so it kind of is a weird it was too

it wasn't it subtle you saw the weed you saw being lit you saw someone smoking it like and there was pressure behind it so I don't I can see I don't see why that would forced you to cancel a show or anything like that. But it was a great show.

I just wonder if it would be as revered as it is, had it gotten maybe another couple seasons and tapered off. No, I think that's kind of the stars that burn the brightest, burn out the fastest. We don't know what season two or three. Because your imagination has always said it went out like this. Like, it could have been so great. Chances are it's going to be a turd, but.

Well, those guys' characters start taking off too, and they start to get more popular. Is it going to be the same cast? Is it going to, there's a million different questions. ask. Yeah. But it was still a weird portrayal that kind of ended the 90s with still sort of like a negative connotation towards Pot, but you have the thriving 70s show, which is like pushing

it into the next decade. I think they had, how many seasons of it? Nine. Nine. Yeah. So yeah, they were into. Eighth. Ninth might have been the shitty one not that didn't have Tofer Grace and a bunch of people in it.

We crossed into the millennium with Funny Pot on TV. Did you forget about one of the most beloved marijuana-based characters introduced in the late 90s? I thought it was 2000. Who? Talley? Was it 2000? I think it was 2000. Okay.

I think it was like 2001. Are we ready to enter the new millennium? Yeah. Okay. I got to take a P first. Okay. And then we get to Talley, man. All right.

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kept forgetting them. Like 2000s, there were so many stoner movies. Yeah, I know I missed a whole bunch on here. Well, here's the thing, as we get into the 2000s. I think, okay, if you had to, like, pick what side of the fence you're on when you're stoned,

if someone is sitting there and you have to watch a movie. Is it a stoner movie or is it a movie that you enjoy watching while stoned? I would say just stoner movie. You would prefer that. You pick that. Yeah. It depends on how high you are. I mean, your surroundings really dictate everything. Do you have food there? Is that like you were talking about earlier, am I going to have to worry about DoorDash or ordering a pizza or making dinner? Like if I can just get real stoned and just shut it off, it's a stoner movie. If I still have to do other things, I would rather have something I'm kind of enthralled by. And I definitely think there's like a third category in movies where it's like stoner movies, movies with notable stoners, and then just great movies to watch while stoned.

Because there certainly are a lot of those. I have, I think I lean more toward the movies that I love to watch while stoned that let me watch a movie differently than I've watched it previous. Yeah, and there's a lot of old ones. I blame streaming for this. but back when you just had cable and you were high and you were flipping around and you caught like the replacements on TBS you were getting sucked into Keanu and the replacements high Oh yeah Like that wasn't it was a choice you made because it was on

And it was going to be the best thing to watch Yeah yep It's that kind of stuff like nowadays with streaming You can queue up god damn near anything that you want The worst thing to do is smoke and then go try to pay what you're going to watch. You have to already have something queued up. That's probably the biggest waste of time.

If you take anything away from this podcast. Always have a plan. Have it queued up what you want to watch prior to going and smoking. All right, 2000s. This is 23 years ago, man. I want to say current, but it's still not fucking current. It's crazy.

Music, you got to start it out with Afro-Man. Dada, da, da, da, ha, da, da, uh,

Afro man, I'm glad to hear is still going very strong. I think they have a very niche following. It's just one man.

Oh, it's the afro man. Yep. But he actually, he lives in like some... Is he just, is it now down to just the guy that was like,

one man? Is it now down to just damn? I think he did all the voices. He just overlaid him? Yeah. How would he do that in concert? I don't know. He's so exhausted.

He's got to have a backing, track for it. Why, man, yeah, yeah. He probably has... He just goes over each side of his face. He's got to have hype man or something than doing it up there. But I want to say he lives in some

rural Midwest town or some shit like that. And he's actually being sued by the police department because they raided his house and he used some of the film from the raid in a music video. And so they're like, you can't use this. This is on my ring doorbell, man. I can use

this. Oh. Afro-man's a guy. he's the weed smoker's anthem The Afro Man There's literally like any Even if it's just one part that you relate to In Afro Mans because they got high

You relate to that whole entire song You could see how the rest of it goes Here's a question for you It fall in kind of with the movie aspect of the stoner movies Movies with stoners I feel like music That sounds really good when you're stoned

Is superior to the music about getting stoned I think you can somehow hit a sweet spot where some of the songs about getting stoned are really, really good. And it kind of like, you know, the diet, was that a Venn diagram? Yeah. The two circles. But I think if you're making a song about smoking, it's not going to be as good as a song that you didn't have to write about that, but you wrote while smoking. Does that make sense? I'm getting too far into the weeds here?

No, I think that. Like imagine, like, immigrant song, Led Zeppelin. that has nothing to do with it might make a reference too, I can't remember the exact words and everything like that or you know War Pigs by Black Sabbath or

a whole, you know, think of a ton of the most well-known songs. You know, brown sugar, Rolling Stones, whatever you want to use as your example. That's not related to smoking weed but those songs sound so good while you're smoking it.

Yeah, I think it's, It definitely kind of lends back to Cypress Hill and just the way that they did their music, not to go back to them again, but there was more, like, jazz and excitement in the instrumentals and things that are going on behind the music to where it does, it becomes a little bit more enthralling to listen to it because you're listening to it for the words and for the lyrics, but you're also, like, it's a very catchy tune. There's a lot of different aspects and elements and instruments that go into the backing track that kind of attracts you to it.

I think what I'm more getting at kind of in a weird roundabout way is it seems like as the music progresses and becomes more just not like public but more like in your face about marijuana. It's, we're getting more songs that are just directly about that. Like that act.

I think it depends on the genre too because there's plenty of very good rap songs about weed that still to this day, I mean, they're still making new good rap songs. Yeah. I guess there's also a lot more music. Yeah. So you're going to get more bands singing about that than might have just like a one-off hit or something like that.

There was this weird phase in the early 2000s, too. You've heard of Cotton Mouth Kings? Mm-hmm. They hit this weird stride of like high school kids that weren't old enough to realize it was bad music. But we're still getting high and been like these guys are singing. Like Crazy Town? Huh? Is it like Crazy Town?

Buck Cherry? No, Crazy Town. That sounds like the same kind of music that like people that like Crazy Town will listen to. Remember that song like Come my lady? Come, my lady. Oh, I forgot about them. Yeah.

That seems like the same type of people that like that make music. Yeah, it could be except for Cotton Mouth Kings was like too fast. Like it was almost like electronica type music that happened with rapping over the top of it. Just very. bad music. But when you were a high school kid and they came out, you were smoking pot, you're like,

let's listen to some pot smoking songs. Cotton Mouth King somehow always made it onto the stereo. And they're just, they're not good. They weren't ever good. They cannot be first round draft picks. No, these guys like made their career not being a first round draft pick. We get Never Smoked Meat with Willie again by Toby. We get hash pipe by Weezer. Big time Toby breaking out that song and it's a great. song. I feel like I keep saying the words great song over and over again, but you get... Great song!

Just get a sound word for you. It just... Toby did a lot of kind of gimmicky stuff. This one felt more like the Toby that I think we would get on a normal basis. I don't know if he's out there putting boots

and asses on the 4th of July and all that kind of stuff in real life. I don't see Toby really doing that. I think that he had a little bit of smoke before plenty of times. that's the thing we're still getting music from willie yeah we got whiskey weed and women from Hank junior or Hank the third um mumford and sons was a little lion man about smoking weed i'm not a big mumford and sons fan neither am it was a very popular track that i had seen um but there's kind of the weird genre jumping is like weed's not really outside of any genre

music. It can always be shoehorned in there somehow. It's, it's not beholden to anything. It's just an opening for creativity. It doesn't make you write a certain type of music. It just makes you open your possibilities to whatever you want to make, I guess. Every genre has a song about pussy, I think. So it's probably just one and the same. Yeah. You write about your passions. Okay, what do we got for movies? Movies was huge. And just before talking about any of the other ones, maybe spawned one of the greatest documentaries ever made. Super Jaime, Doug Benson.

Mm-hmm. When he reenact Super Size Me, except for he does it with pot. Wait, doesn't he go sober for 30 days? Okay. He does his baseline with his doctor. They do all the testing and everything like that. And then he does nothing but smoke weed for 30 days. Like the amount of marijuana that they show him,

consuming on a daily basis, following him around. Isn't you just carrying around one of those volcano bags? Yeah. That was the first time that I'd ever seen one of those, and they were so cool. I think the first time I saw that was... Fuck. Where did I see that the first time? It might have actually been that, yeah.

It was either that or this is the end. I couldn't remember which one I saw first. Superhemi was for everything that Morgan Spurlock did for McDonald's and tried to sully their questionable name and reputation. all Doug Benson did in this movie was prove that it's a great life to live, but it's almost too much to do it in that. But he really, and this is one man, and probably from the get-go 30 days sober,

not a super in-shaped man. But none of his vitals really changed. No. It didn't have really any effect. Yeah. It just mels you out. There's one scene where he goes in because he does like a psych evaluation, 30 days sober,

and then 30 days old. on. And he's talking to the psychiatrist. I think it's like his first day in smoking. And he goes, so Doug, what's changed? And he goes, everything's a little bit cooler now. Yeah. Like he just everything's a little bit brighter,

a little bit more fun. I find myself being more inquisitive. It's like, yeah, that's what he's describing how I feel when I smoke. I was going to say that's exactly what like Steve Hartwood would point at the board and be like, describe the feeling you feel on marijuana. I feel chill. Show me chill.

Family feud all over the place I don't know how widely seen it was But I kind of felt like it was a Here's the thing None of these things are competing For the Academy Award No

Or anything like that No this wasn't being showed at cans No But these are also very like Fun popular movies This is where you get And not a lot of big thinkers These aren't gonna be

Movies you're gonna sit down And really ponder about For the next couple days Oh That's a perfect segue Into the first one on there Dude Where's My Car? Yeah.

There you go. Not a real big thinker. The thing about Dude Where's My Car is like watching the movie, it's so fucking ridiculous that if you try to think about it, you'll get lost. Because it makes no sense. Chester and, what is it, Chester and, it's not Charlie. I thought it, like, rhymed with it. I don't know.

To put it in the easiest way possible, it's Stifler and Kelso. Yeah, it's Diffler and Kelso, and they lose their car, and they have to retrace what they did the night before to try to find it. They had a wild night. They had a wild night, and it involves some aliens. So that's... Spoiler alert, if you haven't seen it. They save the universe. Do you want to talk about this second one?

I feel like I'm not going to sit here. It just wasn't my cup of tea. I just want to know why. I told you. Is it because you're not as familiar with the aspects of a black comedy, maybe? That's also probably. a decent assessment of it. And how high we see the rags to riches story

of two young black men from the inner city? I understand, listen. Who make it at Harvard? One of the whitest institutions. I know. I understand that that's where it's a fish out of, you know, it's a fish out of water situation. They shouldn't be there, but they're there.

They're looking to shake stuff up. And they do. They shake shit up like crazy. They're just very mean to everybody while they're doing it. And one of the biggest things that smoking, does for you is it makes you nicer and more understanding to people. So I feel like it sends a very

mixed message. Plus, here's the thing. It's like they go for a semester and then they just like, that's the end. Like it, based on what I saw, I don't think they're going to be able to stay there. They pass their, uh, the semester tests. Yeah. So they're on to the next semester. What are they, they're out of that weed. I, you don't know. Ivory could be coming back somehow. So just a very simple explanation for people who haven't seen how high. I'm not judging. I'm not judging you. I'm not judging you. I'm just saying it's not my. I probably have something that I like to watch high that you don't. Okay. Yeah, just quick rundown. Method Man, Redman, both members of the Wu-Tang clan, nothing to fuck with. They are two inner city kids that take their, I think Red Man's mom

calls them the THCs. They call, in the movie, they call them, yes, the THCs. It's like the, it's like The A-C-T's and the SATs. Before Method Man takes the test, his best friend, Ivory. It's not his best friend. Jesus, you're just, it's a guy that really likes him. He's not too crazy about him. He said he'd jump out in front of us for him. And he said he would do anything for him.

That's best friend. It's Ivory's best friend might be Silas. Silas doesn't view it the same way. Again, another part of this. Yeah, he's a bit of botanist. He's learned. to help make plans for sort of an Eastern medicine style healing.

He gives ivory a little bit of weed so he can get high with his chick that he matched with on maybe the first hinder ever. Ivory dies and Method Man wants to show some love for his boys so he mixes the ashes into a marijuana plant and it turns out when you smoke ivory,

ivory comes back to you as a ghost. He helps Method Man and Red Man pass the ACTs after they meet each other. being able to speak with every other ghost in heaven to get them the answers. And only people that smoke this, whatever, it's called ivory. Ivory. The ivory. It's called ivory. They can see the ghost. And so that's how also Red Man is able to get here, which I don't even know why Red Man showed up. His mom wanted him to go to college. He's not even there for purpose. He didn't want to still live with his mom anymore and pork chops of chunky commercials. And then he ends up meeting the

vice president of the United States daughter there. And they end up Hucking up. Red Man. Red Man does. Yeah. And then Method Man hooks up with Lisa Turtle. And takes her away from Bart the Fart. Bart the Fart. The captain of the hero, he rolls crew. All in all, a lot of hijinks. Really fun movie. There's just a lot of good scenes in it that I felt that I enjoyed. Some people might not. I guess I understand that. I don't understand it, but I get it, I guess. Moving on. Jay and Silent Bob strike back I think we had a little bit of clerks in 94 so that was the groundwork that was laid for Jay and Silent Bob

I don't really remember a whole I mean marijuana use is definitely part of clerks but I don't know if it was a real big plot point Jay and Silent Bob aspect of it I think I don't know if Dante was it Rubin and Dante I think they might have smoked a little bit but I don't remember being, I haven't brushed off on my, or brushed up on my Kevin Smith

universe in a while. Yeah, but Jane Silent Bob, we got Blunt Man and Chronic. There you go. A superhero. And the cock knocker. Mark Hamill is the cock knocker. A great stoner movie. And like you say, a Kevin Smith movie

that it just... You want the most fun part about watching Jane and Silent Bob stoned is? is when the people you never expect to pop up in a movie like this pop up in it. And you're just like, is that really that person? That's the most enjoyable part. Yeah. And they're not great movies, but they always are pretty funny.

The wash, one that I'm sure you've never seen before. Is this about a car wash? Yeah, it's about a car wash, but it's Snoop, Dre, basically every West Coast rapper that you can fit in there. So it's sole plane except on the ground at a car wash? Don't do that. Don't do that. That's not nice. What?

Don't. I know what you're doing and I don't like it. Tommy Chong, our friend, back in the wash. It's like a, I don't want to say this because I don't mean it in this way. But it's kind of like a Tyler Perry movie before Tyler Perry. Your word's not mine. I wasn't going to say it. We had Super Troopers, too.

Oh, yes. Super Troopers, I... Dandy bars. Not a stoner movie, but a, a, a movie that is fantastic to watch Stoned. Misleading at first, though, because you think it will be a stoner movie, because the very first scene, it features very prominently. It's God's Water, man.

She can sue me anytime. Sue me, sue me. No, Super Troopers is an excellent watch, either Stone or Sober. Just an excellent all-around movie, but yes, definitely what I would consider in movies with good stone characters that features a healthy message for marijuana. Broken lizard boys got one coming out on 420. Oh, what's it called?

It's... Igor or... It's quasi. Yeah, quasi. The quasi-modi-modo. Yeah. Yeah, I'm excited for that. We'll see.

They haven't made a bad movie in my eyes. Really? Yeah. Slamming salmon? I loved it. Really? I love the slamming salmon. I got that shit on DVD.

That's how much I like it. Guy meat drapes? It's Medropides. Why doesn't it sound like that when I say it? Harold and Kumar. I fucking love this movie. First installment and they come out, come out of the gate swinging.

You get a fucking weird ass them riding a cheetah. That part, I completely forgot about that part when I was watching it. And I was waiting for them to take off on the cheetah. And then I was like, this has got to be like a dream sequence where all of a sudden they're just going to be sitting on a log

because they're so fucking stone. I forgot that they fucking actually ride the cheetah. The Neil Patrick Harris part is easily the highlight of it. Yeah. Yeah. When he ends up getting back and he gives, uh, Roll dee back his keys and he hands him like 200 bucks because he made some love stings. He's like, yeah, dude, dick move.

I understand. And here's the thing, too. I think Harold and Kumar is one of those rare movies where the first one and the second one equally is good. Yeah. Third one definitely fell off a cliff, not. I still watched it on Christmas. Yeah, it's not bad, but it's not good. No, no.

But yeah, even the second one. I think the second one was 2010s, but just as popular, just as funny, they really came back with a good sequel. And just another, in the second one, I don't know if it's on the other board, but you get them getting arrested because Kumar builds a smokeless bong.

He tries to smoke it on the airplane. And the white lady sees him and it just, Oh, yeah, it looks like a fucking terrorist. Yep. Boom. Oh, this one might be the best of the bunch, this last one. And I don't think it, it has a pretty, like, deep cult following, but I don't think this one got as much love as it should have.

It's Happy Madison, isn't it? Yeah. So maybe. Like one of, I think almost one of the first Happy Madison's. And very underrated, but, yeah, like you say, it has this weird cult following as far as it, I don't think it made very much movie. the box office.

No. But it's just sold so many DVDs. Yeah. Grandma's boy is... Not the best portrayal of a stoner. But, I mean, puts him into... Listen, he's got a good job at a video game company. He's an every man for a guy that's a video game developer.

Exactly. Exactly. People like him. He's likable. He's designing his own video game. He gets to, unfortunately, have to go live with his Nana and her two roommates. hilarity ensues. One of them a wild pillhead

and the other one, a cougar. Michael Blanche's heart. He gave Charles Chaplin a handjob. No, he ends up getting the hot chick in the end. Best Nick Swords and character that's ever been. Oh, hands down. Easily. But if you haven't watched Grandma's boy, and here, this is a stoner movie.

Yeah. Through and through. Definitely. It's central to the plot and it's people getting stone most of the movie. That's how we got there. That's definitely. You understand how that movie is set up to where it needs to be. Going to TV. A little sparse, but some of the big ones.

Just the sparse ones. We come into again the 2000s with that 70s show, Always Solid. There was a show on HBO called Board to Death with Jason Swordsman, Ted Danson. It was very good, very underrated. I never actually saw weeds too much. I think I watched maybe the first season of Weas. weeds. That's how far I've gotten into weeds. I don't know. It was just like it's focused more on like the dealing and the criminal aspect part of it. And you get like Kevin Nealyn's character who actually is like one of the guys that buys from her. And he's funny and he smokes and everything like that. But it's it's a show about dealing weed. It's not a show where like doing it or smoking or making it into like lighthearted situations is really that prevalent. There's a lot of drama to it. I feel like in this might not be a good. comparison, but it was like a poorer version of Breaking Bad.

Yeah. Yeah. That's sort of what it felt. That's fair assessment. Yeah. With more comedy. Yeah. More comedy.

It's supposed to be lighthearted. It's not meth. It's weed. So let's make it a little bit lighter. But just it was, even in the execution, it just lacked. Over on the other side of it, let's flip over, Entourage. Yeah. Entourage, 2004.

Entourage was basically just like Stoner Wish fulfillment is all it was. There's a generation. of guys that have watched Entourage and always saw themselves and, you know... Wanted to be Ari. Or wanted to identify. Everyone thought they were Vince, but who they really were with someone else

in Vince's group. There were turtles and, you know, E's and Johnny dramas and all that kind of stuff. But I think the big thing with Entourage is that it was like... It made it seem that people that like... didn't have to... It took it out of the hands of, like, being like...

younger kids or like losers and that kind of stuff. But it's like, no, this is like a movie star and his friends that are like able to smoke and all that kind of stuff. You might be a loser, but this could be you one day. Yeah, exactly. I don't know if I ever like sat down and watched like chronologically a full season of entourage, but it was just always on it, felt like. I watched it, yeah. Everybody wanted to watch it and everybody liked it, so it was just kind of always on.

maybe like yours trailer park boys is I think cinematic brilliance I think as I haven't really I've seen a couple episodes I remember I'm gonna defer to your judgment the first time I think I gave you

or I yeah I just bought the season one and two DVDs maybe and I'd watch it I was like hey watch these let me know what you think and you gave them back to me like that's not very good but it just it's so funny I watched a few episodes. I know who Bubbles is. I know who that's pretty much it.

I know the guy in the black shirt that always has whiskey and then the dude with the perm mullet. Ricky. Ricky. Ricky and sexy Julian is the one in the black shirt. All right. But it just, it's incredible to see, maybe it's just the American aspect of seeing like that Canada has trailer parks too. And they kind of have trailer park. Yeah. It's a totally different kind of trailer park. but it has so many of the same tenants of the things that you think of when you think of a trailer park. And it's Ricky growing dope, trying to get his grade 10 because they, or yeah, I think it's his grade 10, which is what, I think, sophomore. He's trying to get his, like, degree?

Yeah, they call it when they finish a year, it's grade whatever. Uh-huh. So he's trying to get a sophomore. Yeah, he never got it. So he's trying to get his grade 10. And when he gets his grade 10, everything's going to change for him. He's going to be able to get a job. He doesn't have to get to grade 12?

Maybe grade 10's like a big deal up there. I don't know. Grade 11 and 12 are optional. Yeah. That's like honors. That's secondary school. That's college basically. Ultimately,

falls back into the same trap of needing to grow marijuana in order to make his life. Scratch and to survive. Well, and really, over time, you see that Ricky's like a savant. If there's one thing that Ricky knows in his life, it's hockey,

eating pepperoni, and growing weed. and he sells it to fucking Snoop Dog. Like, there's so many guest appearances from somebody. Tom Arnold does, like, four or five episodes, like crazy, weird Tom Arnold that, like, he plays himself. But he wants to live the trailer park boy's experience. So, like, he pays Ricky to try to sleep with his next wife.

Do you ever think that Tom Arnold is like a liberal, um, oh my God, I had his name on the tip of my tongue? Who's the fucking crazy guy that, um... Which one? There's a lot. The guy that talks like this. Alex Jones? Yeah, Tom Arnold is like a liberal Alex Jones.

Have you noticed that? A little bit. Yeah. He's definitely, he's just kind of like a creature unto himself. I don't even really know how to describe it. He's a Tom Arnold. Yeah. He's what happens when you have to spend a lot of time around Roseanne.

That's, yeah, that's, that's, is it a Kellyanne Conway, like, or in her husband's situation where you're like, how the fuck does that work? Yeah, this makes no sense. Yeah. It went for forever. I think they had like 20 seasons of trailer park boys. Seriously? Yeah.

And they still, it's like, it's got to be super like cheap to produce. Oh, it has, yeah. It's the same trailer park that they use, and it's in Canada, so they don't have to pay a lot of, like, the taxes or anything that to film in Halifax, I think, is where they are. But it's had staying power. SwearNet is the company that Richard, or that Julian Bubbles and Ricky, they're actual people. Like, they own a media. Oh, kind of like how, like, Rob McLehannian, Glenn and Charlie own the company.

Yeah. It does, like, always sunny, like, that production company. Gotcha. Yep. They have a media company. they do like they take it on tour and do like a stage show with it i mean it's it's very big business for them now but it just it sounds like canadian always sunny yeah a lot a lot like it i a crossover would just make my life but it's a fun kind of different spin on like a bad mockumentary i'm kind of

surprised that always sunny hasn't really dipped its toes too much into that have they oh have there been i've i've watched every sunny episode i'm trying to rack my brain i know that country map country mac day likes to smoke get some high at the planetarian where they're sitting there just eating snacks just fucking red i'm like i hate mac i hate mac so much he makes fun stuff not fun there's uh frank when he is i think it's right when d has a heart attack when he's hit in the bong and he tells charlie to upload him a hoagie from the internet so they make references but there's never been like a weed centric episode uh we get south park too so south Park has the introduction of Talley.

And Talley is the product of government experimentation to design a towel, like the most absorbent towel that's actually alive. And he escapes the lab. It's like in Colorado or something that he escapes the lab. And all Talley likes to do is smoke weed and then just remind people that if they're going to go somewhere, always bring a towel. So it's, don't forget to bring a towel. You guys want to get high?

He. I think there's like a whole episode, too, that explains, like, Talley's first time getting high. Yeah. Because he was very smart and, like, very studious. He still is very smart, but he feels like he has to smoke to, like, increase his intelligence. And then as soon as he smokes, he completely forgets. Because he'll be like, okay, which way do we go now? Tadley's like, oh, man, what are we doing here?

You see his eyes go from just straight white to the glassy red? Yeah, just a solid character that is, he's the stoner's character. I think Talley, as far as merchandise and shit like that that they sold just through the roof, he's still in all their, like TV specials, like they had the coronavirus one. Yeah. And he's Randy's partner, Integrity Farms. Yep. So he's.

Yeah, South Park. And I mean, this isn't just to the 2000s, but South Park has come out with a few episodes when it's kind of been in the news cycle on everything. When Colorado legalized it, they did a huge episode for Colorado. That was the episode where Randy. Resticular cancer. Randy microwaves his balls so you can get him to grow big enough to where he can get a medical marijuana card. And then they'll hippity hop on his testicles with all his neighbors down to the fucking dispensary.

He ends up having to try to fight the laws too because his balls get too big to fit in the dispensary. And they have to start widening doors in the town and everything. And then you get the subplot of Cartman being the Tony Montana KFC because they're taking all the fast food restaurants out. And how women are actually attracted to balls. They all want a scrote skin. Yeah. Hey Sharon. My eyes are up here. Oh. South Park really has been out of bash. They have like pot-driven episodes, but it's always kind of loomed in there, especially now with Randy, Integrity Farms and all that.

Randy, Randy being the stoner of the show, Stan's dad is like the best choice that they could have made. I feel like we're forgetting a big one for the 2000s. Movie or TV? Movie. Oh, we missed back in 98, Labowski. Oh, is that what it was in the 90s? Back in 98. Sorry, we're jumping back to 98, Lobowski.

Big Lobowski, if you guys have not seen it, stop this, go watch it. The movie's excellent, whether you're sober or smoking. Smoking just makes it that much more enjoyable, just because it's an absurd movie as far as the story goes. But it's fucking hilarious. Just the dialogue back and forth is great. The dialogue is the best part, man. The whole idea of it is so dumb. Easley Jeff Bridge's best character.

He's ever done. And he's done some pretty fucking good characters. He has. And that's what I mean. His character is fantastic. But the whole idea behind the story, just the fact that the millionaire and him had the exact same name.

And he accidentally gets jumped because they're trying to squeeze this millionaire for money. And Lubowski's like the poorest guy that's ever lived. Like, it's just such a bad lead-in. Hey, Wu, isn't this guy supposed to be a millionaire? Yeah, what do you think? I think he's a fucking loser. The best part about it is just the whole rug aspect of it.

That's exactly the point. It's all the dude wants. He just wants to rub back, a rug back that it can tie the room together. It's got to tie the room back together. He, that's, I think the funniest part of it, besides the crash scene, which I will put up against any other crash scene that there is. but the scene where he gets woken up on the rug that he steals from when he's listening to the bowling the sounds of the strikes and everything that's how he gets in the zone and he wakes up just long enough for the chick to hit him and then the next thing is is he

wakes up and the rug is gone from underneath him he's still in the same spot it's like Lubowski just did everything that he could to get this rug back and now all of a sudden after all this toil and trouble that he had to get he finally gets a rug back and then immediately gets knocked out and gets the rugs stolen right back. It's John Goodman, Steve Buscemi, Philip Seymour Hoffman. John Goodman is the best

annoying character. Walter Soap Check pulled a firearm in lead play today. Just his whole idea of like anything that anybody brings up. I know about that. I know about everything about that. More than anybody else can ever know about that.

And he just continuously screws the dude at every single turn when he's just trying to get his rug and trying to get a little bit of money. Everything's a fucking travesty with you, Walter. All right, moving back to 2010s. Oh, I wanted to check because I forgot to put the Express on the board. I wanted to see if we were 2000s or 2010s. Anything after the 2000s, man, it just really feels like it all blends together.

2010 is when it, it, there, that's kind of when streaming really hits its stride and when so many shows become available, there's really too many to zero in on. We are in the golden age of Judd Apatow and Seth Rogen movies. Yeah. Seth Rogen, I don't think he really has a partner now. He's got a writing partner, that Evan Goldman or Goldberg or whatever,

but he's not an actor, so it's not like a Cheech and Chong acting type thing. He had that, and then Franco had to be weird. That's true. Well, Franco was never really writing with him and Evan Goldberg anyway. Franco was just kind of the character that he played with. So, like, Cheech and Chong wrote all of their stuff together and then started in it. Rogan writes with this other guy, but then the other, usually was someone else,

like Franco stepping in or Jay Barichel or, you know, whoever from that group. Anybody like that, yeah. But he's kind of the torchbearer for kind of the new, kind of the new generation. New kind of weed, weed movies. And I think they have a stranglehold on the market. And it starts knocked up, definitely, a stoner movie. Catherine Hegel is still such a bad actress that I got to kind of forget that she's in it. Yeah.

But it's, it is just the quintessential stoner movie, just an illegal immigrant from Canada. It doesn't have a citizenship that just all he can do is get stoned and hang out with his buddies. And he may or may not be the character that was in 40-year-old virgin. Yeah, could be. That was working at the, whatever they want to call it, the circuit city or the, a friend. about fucking what it was called. I think it was circuit city. Yeah, it was something like that.

But yeah, as far as that goes, I mean, movies you get stuff like Ted, this is the end, Seth Rogan, sausage party, Seth Rogan, we are the Millers. God, why can't I think of his name right now? Ted Lassow. Jason Siddakas. Oh, we get Jennifer Aniston in a strip tease. And terrible underwear, but it was still hot. Of course, it was hot.

It was Jennifer Aniston. Yeah, even in that bad underwear that she wore that old lady underwear. Well, even before that, just because I forgot to put it on the board, 2008 was Pineapple Express. And Pineapple Express, I believe, spawn the actual strain of Pineapple Express, like named it. Because I don't think before this. I think it did. There was anything before that. It was actually just the tropical storm that James Franco does correctly reference when he's explaining where the weed comes.

comes from. And it's like the soil and it's all very technical and I can't explain it right now. Yeah, he explains the high pressure and the low pressure and the heat and the cold mixing up. I think that might be up in smoke, the modern up and smoke. Yeah. Yeah, it's two stoner buddies. It's a little less bitty and a little bit more plot driven, but it has kind of all the same

trappings and all the goofy shit and the throw-up scenes and just all very similar. What do you mean it's dead? The fact that Franco had it turned out to be a fucking creep Probably robbed us of some good movies going forward Yeah, I'm not even 100% sure I think I read some things And I mean, I'm probably just okay Like letting them set it out for a while

Because it seems to be what they do Before they make a comeback If the people that are closer to the situation And have probably more knowledge of it Are sitting it out and everything I trust Seth Rogen's judgment that it was probably warranted. It's people smarter than me

that are making these judgments about other people. What did we get music-wise? I mean, what didn't, like, we're in kind of the golden age of it right now for pop culture is what it is. Yeah, and this is literally, like you said earlier,

that country music references weed more than wrapped as Roll Me Up, Willie, obviously. Weed Not Roses by Ashley Monroe, solid country song. blowing smoke, Casey Musgraves Might as well be stone Chris Stapleton

Like just every single hot country act Was putting out a song about getting high Yeah, Blake Shelton Listen to any of Zach Brown's music Yeah And then I think Sturgel had some Did you already say Storjel? No, Sturgel was definitely

Definitely influential Half of Eric Church's music is about getting stoned So and this just goes back to kind of one of those things It's probably boring as fuck out in the country How do you make it more fun and entertainment Yeah. Can't fucking stone. It's not just Outlaw Country anymore that's singing about getting high.

It's these mainstream poppy country. It's been Mee Mauna Country. Yeah. Marijuana by Cuddy was a banger. Cuddy was really in the zone when it came to weed songs. Just everything that he did great albums to listen to high. How I Met Your Mother going into TV. How I Met Your Mother was one that actually,

you know, he said, but they did it kind of in the even more. subtle than that 70s show did it. They would have, they would refer to it as sandwiches. Huh. And they would have a bag of, they would have a bag of sandwiches. And it actually was a bag. And they're like, I can't even believe I'm going to eat this whole sandwich, man. Oh, that was like the.

That was their version. Because remember, he's telling the story to his kids about how he met their mother. So he says their sandwiches. Probably one of the all-time greats for shows. Very weed-centric. Coming out, Comedy Central, Workaholics. Yeah, I do believe if I went on a Jeopardy Warcoholics, I've watched enough to amass all the information that I need. You're just starting at the 1,000.

You're not even going workaholics too much. You're just starting to, you're... We're clearing the board from the bottom up. Yep. But it's just perfect, man. I don't know how really to explain such a good comedy, because it's just, it's three degrees of stoner. You have like the weird art stoner. You have the jock kind of broie.

stoner and then you have the weirdly professional. Yeah, professional but like... That was Anders, yeah. Only to call center professional. Like, there's nothing beyond call center professional. That's why I can identify with that so much to, having spent a good chunk of time in call centers. Here's the thing to how you're marking down,

fuck, that's delicious. Yeah. Now it's branching over to essentially like food network type stuff. I know that's not on food network. Yeah. But the fact that that's now coming into play as, you know, experiencing culinary dishes while you're

and everything like that, the one thing that people love to do because it makes it taste so much better and it's just, it can be an event. That branch is into... You've never seen a show, a food, a cooking show where they're like, hey, let's get piss-ass drunk and taste some food. That's never the thought process. No, because you just eat bad pizza or burritos and you'd be like, this is the most fucking delicious thing I've ever had. Alcohol just completely deadens your mouth and it deadens all your taste buds, so that's not going to happen. But the absolute best thing to do is be like, hey, let's get high and try some food. And then they're like, hey, let's try some food that makes us high.

Did they do that too? Oh, yeah. Multiple shows have done that. They did a... Chelsea Handler did that. She had a good dinner or something like that, and she recorded it. And it was them doing a five-course meal

with different marijuana-infused dishes, different milligrams and stuff in each one. There's one, I think it's called Wheatikit. It's on Vice, where they do that, where they have professional chef come in and work with, like, a bud tender or a weed scientist. And like they combine shit and, make different foods with different, like, it'll be a sauce that's infused or it'll be like a

pork loin that's cooked, like steamed in weed leaves, like shit like that. But then there was actual shows where it was like cooking competitions. And I forget what it was, but Be Real was the guy that, Be Real from. Cybersil. Cybersil, yeah, was the host. And he would get these other, like, weed smoking guest judges. and they would go like chopped where they would make them dishes

to get them high and then they would go three rounds so they would progressively get higher and higher and higher for each dish. Fantastic TV. Well, and this completely opens up even shows that this is almost like the 2010s, I mean, you could say this

for almost any decade, but there was so much of an availability of shows that were awesome to watch Wall Stone, like diners, dipends, and drives just watching that food get made just on like food network type stuff. If you're into getting stoned and watching HGTV

for like a fucking home renovation or some stuff, you could just lose yourself and rabbit hole into that watching a demo and then rebuilding the house and everything. Before you know it, you're four hours into some asshole trying to pick his dream house in Hawaii on where to live when he's like

he like weaves blankets. But makes $450,000 a year. Their budget's like half a mill. This even kind of goes into like 2000s and 2010s were really when like planet Earth and that stuff started coming out in like extreme HD and you would just you could get just baked off your ass and just sit there and try to learn something or attain something but like everything is so beautiful in front of you you're just like and then you see the scenes where like someone's going to die like the seal on the iceberg

and you're just like no what's going to happen get out of there man get out of there nature is the greatest storyteller that there's oh yes especially in high-deaf with Attenborough doing the speaking. That's, I think that might be key. I think it might be a combination of the HD images and David Attenborough's just that old husky, almost a smoker, a cigar smoker's voice. You know, we were talking about the other night about shows that you want to watch in pitch black, or like when you want to watch TV, it's in pitch black. Planet Earth is the number one thing that you want to watch with the absence of light anywhere else around it. Oh yeah. It's just like you're there. And if you're, if you have a big enough TV that's close enough to you, you might as well just be in nature.

A TV. To be, yeah. To two. To two. Television. If you're in front of that screen for planet Earth, you're just, you're there. You're going to be there. And here's one thing kind of going off of like how stuff feels now.

Because it, you know, we are in a situation where it's recreational legal and is it 20% of states now? I think it's recreational in 20%. It's more than 50 for Meadow. I'm just saying it's a lot more prevalent in just our culture nowadays and everything is that you're starting to see, I think, more accurate portrayals of just people that use this, that use weed, use marijuana. You're going to get into situations where it's not just going to be stereotypical type characters, even watching shows that come out like, you know, high drama shows like Euphoria and stuff like that, like they're smoking weed. That's probably on the light side of the stuff they're doing. and everything, but you're getting essentially more just accurate real world and real world portrayals of just everyday people that use it. I think part of the reason that that's not exciting and people don't want to see that is because it is boring.

Like, how often do you see in a TV show? Roseanne actually comes to mind. First thing, what is the first thing Dan did when he got home? Got a beer. That's exactly what it is. He went to the fridge, opened it and got a beer. And that's something that almost happened in like every type of like sitcom. Dad gets home from work, reaches in the fridge.

Instead of that, like... Kramer buss in, walks right over, starts looking over Jerry's food. Nowadays, how often is it that someone walks in the door and grabs their pen and takes a pole before they go in the house or something like that after work? Just to... That's the new grabbing a beer out of the fridge.

I feel like that's... That happens just as... Maybe not as often, everything like that, but I feel like that's just as casual now. It doesn't get represented as much, and maybe it's just... we are in just the relative ease of it. But vape pens and shit like that have just made the act of smoking so much easier.

It's just impossibly easy now to take a drag on the way from your car in the garage before you walk in the house. Exhale in there, you're inside. You're just none the wiser. It's just so simple. You take out all the aspects of not wanting to smell like weed or not wanting it to stink or having to go outside to smoke. anything like that.

It's just the easiest most compacting to do. I don't ever see that like represented on TV. No. It's always got to be somebody lighting up a duby or... Well, you're like, that couldn't happen right there. There's too many people around. Yeah. It's very odd how we are as open as we are, but it's hidden in food.

When you see an edible, you never think drugs. Yeah. You have to know what it is to know that it's something. bad. So the intake, I definitely think, doesn't portray kind of where we are in the time of pot, but it is just more out there and socially accepted. I just, I find it incredible that it can be so ingrained in society and everybody can say, you know, that over half the people in the country want legal weed. Like, that's just, it's a thing that I think everybody knows now. But for some reason in the government, they're just like, we're not going to give the people what

they want. Too many, too many people take a hit in the old checkbook if that happens. Yeah. They give money from those people and I mean, unfortunately it's as simple as that. I think there's been probably no more prevalent of a place of really antiquated way of thinking about weed than professional sports. And I know we're going to kind of hit on that kind of quick on where we stand on weed with professional sports and everything.

but I think my biggest thing with weed and pro sports is that for some reason it would be considered a performance enhancer. I think it is, but not in their traditional way that you think of performance enhancement. I think that it sort of helps on a mental scale after like a long practice and a long day. You can try to say, oh, well, the CBD and it helps relax muscles and stuff like that. If you're smoking flour, it's going to have very little CBD in it. You might be taking some drops or some oils or some shit like that to actually get it in there. But smoking a J isn't going to, it's not going to give you the CBD you need. No, and I'm not saying it doesn't give you, here's the thing.

I feel like I can smoke in and be an enhanced version of myself in regards to like my empathy, my patients, my stress level. I feel I can think differently. I'm not saying I can think as clearly in regards to certain tasks, but I feel like I can think more clearly in regards to other tasks. Your monkey brain kicks in. Exactly. And so I could see if you were. watching game film or something like that and you're looking for things and trying to recognize patterns and that kind of stuff my biggest takeaway from it is professional sports have no shortage of

options for their athletes as far as like pain management there's it's really no holds barred for that and if health and safety of their players was as important as they always claim for it to be allowing an alternative to opiates or torridol, you know, how many stories, and this has only been since, you know, athletes have started coming out and talking about it. We hear more about it, like what, Toridol Tuesdays, or NFL players after Monday, they would just get shot up with basically cortisol and everything to help recovery and sore muscles and pulls and stuff like that. Yeah, Toridol is just going to numb everything.

You're just not going to be able to feel it. It's not going to make you all loopy and high, but it's basically just like cutting off the nerves to that part of the body for a while. Yeah, exactly. And that's just going to lead to more injury where there have been benefits shown for, you know, recovery and things like that by, like you're saying, they're not using a ton of CBD and everything, but just from the pain management standpoint. Well, and even, I mean, I don't know if it's strictly CBD or if it is marijuana, but it's shown to make a difference in people that have concussion. I mean, it's shown to help try to insulate those nerve endings or whatever it is in there that really gets wrecked when your head bounces around. It has a healing prospect that could be life-changing for guys that literally line up across each other and run head-to-head into each other. Or CTE is a huge thing that's in professional football that they're looking out for right now. They've paid billions of dollars over CTE.

Why would you not be trying to do everything that you can to stop having to put? pay that money. Yeah. And as far as some of the more well-known advocates, I mean, I think in professional football, especially when you see all the guys that have retired and have podcasts and talk about now how they smoke openly and all that kind of stuff just because

they like the way that it helps them feel their bodies recover. And just the relaxation aspect of it. You know, Chris Long is a huge proponent and played in the NFL for what, like 10 years, maybe a little bit more. Yeah. You get guys like Ricky Williams.

who were, he was using it in college when you win the Heisman. I mean, do you know he has a strain of weed and it's called Heisman weed? Really? Yeah. It makes total sense. Those guys is, I think, as much as they got persecuted in the front end of it, they've only rate the benefits in the back end of it.

Yeah. Because these guys were weed pioneers. You have, Ricky Williams, a guy that walked away from the NFL because he got tired of being drug tested and just wanted to smoke. weed. He walked away from one of the most lucrative jobs in the world because he wanted to smoke weed. Because he felt it was best for him. He suffered like going through like what he suffered like social anxiety, all this kind of stuff, um, personality type disorders. He's like, this was the first thing. He's like, I had tried pills and Paxil and all this kind of stuff that was prescribed to me by team doctors and

people and specialists that I went to. And he's like, I found after all of that, the thing that made me feel the best and helped out my symptoms was weed. And because, of that, he chose to take care of himself and retired from the NFL. He tried to do a comeback. He did a comeback and everything. But then eventually once he fully did retire, went right back to being an advocate.

Probably still used it during his time when he was playing. I was just more careful about it. This is where I am kind of shocked with how this all happens in sports is there's just players that you know

smoke weed all the time. like it's just it's not shocking at all Josh Gordon with my best career basically Josh Gordon Josh Gordon is a weird case study because I know that there's so many more people that smoke weed in the NFL

but for some reason he was the only one that couldn't pass a test Like is that just the coach is not wanting to him To get clean piss or Ricky Williams was talking about something that they had That was like some type of detox drink Yeah And he knew when they would come to test him

because they would call him and be like, okay, I'll be there at six in the morning. So at five o'clock in the morning, he'd say he'd wake up, drink this drink, drink a glass of water, wait a little bit, drink another glass of water, pee. And then he knew that his next round, his next round of piss would be clean.

And I don't know how many tests he passed like that. I don't know it was very effective, depending on how many times. But he said he was being tested very, very frequently when he was, after he'd got pop, like the first or second time. When you're a problem child, they definitely pay more attention.

But I mean Michael Vick got caught going through the airport Because his Water bottle had a secret compartment in it That had weed in it You have one of those Well excuse me His was like a now gene

Yeah okay But he said That's where I keep all my jewelry And everything like that when I travel Because I don't want anything to get stolen Well why was there a bunch of weed in it And he's like I didn't want it to get stolen

For the same reason I put my jewelry in it. What's the same? There's no good answer to that question. Did I not explain that to you? Yeah. Back in the days of... You're getting guys that are getting longer suspensions for actual fucking weed than

you do for like domestic violence and fucking actual PEDs. I think PEDs is like the first one's four games. The second one's eight, something like that. But weed used to be the exact same. They have lightened up on it a little bit. But it's... It's in every sport that you wouldn't expect. And I am shocked that we haven't seen somebody getting high in a dugout yet.

Like there has to be somebody who is too stupid. Baseball is the simplest sport to smoke weed at. Yeah. Because you just go stand out there in the field. You're hanging out. It's a great day outside. You're looking around at the fans. Have it in your glove?

Have it just a little, the fucking pen sticking out of one of the fingers of your glove? Act like you're just chewing on your glove. You're just sitting there gnawing on seeds because your mouth is so dry that you can't get them cracked and spit. So it's still still not legal in professional baseball. Yep. Still not legal in NFL. NFL. NFL. NBA?

Hockey, I don't really think. I think it's probably still pretty illegal. The NBA just moved forward, and I think it was a new collective bargaining agreement that they just signed that stated that they will not test them for, or they will not test them for pot anymore. So the NBA has completely gone away with it. A league

that had a team in the late 90s and early 2000s that they called the jailblazers because they were always in trouble for breaking laws and losing it like failing drug test getting caught with weed dam and stodomire a solid old point guard that played for them got pulled over and he had like an ounce of weed that was wrapped up in tin foil in his center console so like just out in the open and there were just NBA players that were driving around like that there was just zero give a fuck back then.

And this is Rashid Wallace. Brian Grant. Rashid Wallace. Yeah. Brian Grant, who was like the first guy in the NBA with legitimate dreads that looked like he was a hippie. They just had everybody that was going to get in trouble. Not to mention, probably the greatest drug taker of the NBA, Bill Walton, was just

high all the time. Oh, yeah. That guy back in the 70s and 80s was just, that was him. He was just red-eyed, fucking grabbing rebounds. Yeah, he was scored 20 and grabbing you 20 a night, but he was high the whole time. NHL, marijuana is not designated as a performance-enhancing drug. Really? So test positive doesn't lead to his suspension.

I wonder if that's because it's more Canada-centric and Canada looks at it differently. The sport itself may feel more Canada-centric, but you know there's more teams in the United States than are in Canada as part of the NHL. That's true. But still, they're not going to, if anything, thing, man. Hockey, you're getting, it's a combination of fucking football, the physicality of getting hit during football, and then also your fucking on razor blades. You're, you're getting beat the fuck up in any, in really any sport. I mean, some more than others, but hockey definitely seems like one, they would make sense for pain relief. You're getting teeth knocked out during games and

shit. Yeah, pain relief, and it just helps you spring back faster. You fight. You literally can fight during the fucking game. It's not like it used to be, but, uh, skating high is something that I really can't wrap my mind around right now. I feel like that would be as close to floating as you could get. I think if you were good at skating, that would be just one of the most, like, surreal feelings. Of just, like, you could barely feel any movement or, like, resistance and just going in a circle and speed.

You're kicking a leg bag for some propulsion, like, 13%. Last time we went on vacation, I think me and, Katie went ice skating and I was actually pretty stone while you were ice skating. It was fun. I could see that be just a fun time. You're in more danger of it. You're in a more dangerous situation on a pair of skates than I am. Oh yeah, yeah. I'm hitting Big Treefall.

Oh, yeah. They're going to have to zamboning me off the ice. I may not get up. We just do the thing where I get you pushed and then get the brooms in front of you. Like, what do they call that sport? Shuffle or... What do they call that? Curling.

Curling, that's right. Yeah. Have to curl your ass off the ice. I can say the last time that I went skating, it was like coming home from an orgy, man. Like my ass hurt for like a week after that. It just, I hit my tailbone so hard.

And I just remember, I think this isn't worth it. I'm too big to skate. This isn't going to happen. This wasn't built for me. Yeah. You don't see six, six guys running around,

just big old boys out there on the ice. No, you're going down. I think you see some big boys on the ice. They meant to be the best skaters. Yeah, no. Might not be the best skaters.

Yeah, no. Might not be the best skaters. All right, man. Well, you got anything else to add to work. we're at currently with the state of marijuana in our union? No, I think we're getting there. I think slow steps. If it's permeated this much of just pop culture and people that watch TV and listen to music and everything, I feel like we're on

the right path. It's just finally getting over the hump of government. And I don't know, you know, how dedicated to the cause you are, if you live in free states or you still live in illegal states. But it is important for everybody, just like all the other rights that we talk about it's it's something that everybody should have access to whether you're whether you're whether you're down to clown whether it's not for you it's like the most harmless thing it's strictly the only person that it affects is the user yeah so I I mean just keep advocating I guess all right ended on this who's on your Mount Cushmore um four you get four people you can use a band as one of the people

can I use it a group a duo can I use Cheech and Chong as well one. Sure. You can just put half their face on the mountain, like one half. And they'd still somehow look the same. Yeah. Cheech and Chong one, I would probably say at this point, Willie Nelson, too, just because his body work is incredible.

Snoop three. And then it hasn't been around long enough, but just seems to really get it as far as being a stoner. Seth Rogen seems like he'd be the best hang ever. I get hang out with Seth Rogen all day long. Yeah. And never get tired of that. laugh.

Well, you took two of mine. I'll just say the first two. So, Seth Rogen, I'm going to go with Snoop, and then this one I'm going to deviate. I'm going to go with, I'm having a hard time debating whether between McConnor, Hay, or Harrelson. I think I'm going to have to go McConaughey, just because I feel Woody might get a little a little bit weird. You think Woody would be the one that got weird?

I'm willing to roll that dice. I think either or. I think they might be, I think they might actually be brothers like they weren't at TV. And then for my fourth. Martha Stewart? No, I think I'm going to go Bob Ross. He had to have smoked. I'm insanely sure.

No one is that kind and mellowing, and just likes to sit there and paint. That's having to be creative to paint those every single. show and everything. And even when you make a mistake, it's just a happy little mistake. You can hide it behind a happy little bush and no one will ever see it. It'll be our little secret. Bob Ross should be the poster trial for every

marijuana advocacy group. Like, this is what does. Is there a strain? If there's not already a strain, someone get on that. Bob Ross. There's got to be a Bob Ross. All right, guys, well, thanks for joining us. If you've been listening to us for a while, thanks for being with us for the one-year spectacular. And we're going to keep this train roll

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