Historically High - Organisation Todt: Hitler’s Secret Weapon

Episode Date: February 14, 2024

If you're like us, you've probably found yourself watching a history documentary on World War 2 and thought for a moment....who built all Hitler's shit. I mean someone had to build the Autobahn, The Siegfried Line, The Atlantic Wall, Hitler's Wolfs Lair, Concentration Camps. Well one name can tie all of those together, Fritz Todd. Fritz was a high ranking Nazi and Hitler's go to guy when it came to building almost anything, trusting his life personally, and the life of his Third Reich to Mr. Todt. Join us as Professor Chris takes you and Professor Adam on a journey back in time.Episode sponsored by http://www.mindmendmushrooms.compromo code "HIGH" for 15% off everything in the store.Support the show Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

All right, there's that sweet, sweet bell. I wonder if that's like a Paplovian bell to people now. You think they hear it and just start salivating for another fantastically brand spanking new episode of historically high. I would like to think so. I hope so. I'd like to hope so. Everybody settled down. This is going to be another fantastic teaching episode where the gentleman to my right, he is the Nazi knowledge spreader.

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yeah. No. Well, Nazi knowledge provider is not bad. It's not bad at all. I feel like that can be taken to a negative way. All right. Well, how about this? How about World War II enthusiasts?

Okay, World War II enthusiasts. It doesn't quite sound the same, though. It's not the illiteration. That's the point. Well, this World War II enthusiast that's sitting next to me, we're going to go ahead and jump in his DeLorean today, and we're going to speed all the way back to pre-World War II as Professor Chris walks us through another fantastic episode from a time that we know so well, but we only know so much about because there's so many little... We know so well, and we only know so much, so little about. Yes, there's so many little intricate details, and I'm so fucking excited. Just listening to you, and I conversate about this over the week of studying, I have no idea what you're going to bring to me, but I know that it's going to be good

because you've given me enough to be like, oh shit, I can't wait for this. This should surprise no one. They're like, oh, Chris is going to do a teaching episode. Yeah, it's going to be World War II. Hey, I'm a humble man, and I stick with what I know. I bet you can't figure out what Professor Adams is going to be on the road to WrestleMania.

Yeah, there you go. At least we're consistent. I'm going to tell you a story about a man named Fritz. Von Eric? No. Oh. A man named Fritz-Tote. and Fritz Tote

is almost in a way Hitler's secret weapon No one really knows about him I took a deep dive And I've known about this for a while But this was just found during a deep dive Of I have this weird fascination With like the scale

Of everything that happened during World War II Like the guns, the bunkers, the shit Just like how everything was just fucking huge And ratchet it up And so I got down a rabble hole I was like, the Nazis had some huge fucking things. Like the entire Atlantic Wall, all the portifications for cities, all of that. I'm like, who fucking like, I never thought about who built all this.

Because, you know, they're military projects, but at the same time they're on such a vast scale that cover all of Europe at one point. It's like, well, the military was fighting. Yeah. Who was doing this shit? And this is when I met Fritz. And so today, I will be telling you about the organization taught. Hitler's super secret weapon. Spring is coming and swimsuit season is right around the corner.

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We're all allowed. One take show, baby. So Fritz, an organization taught. So organization taught was founded in 1933, right when the Nazis were coming to power. A little bit after when the H-Man gets in charge. Now, Fritz had joined the Nazis back in 1922. He had served in World War I, and he was an engineer. Was he a member of the SS?

I don't know if he did end up joining the show. Stufthens, Shufel or whatever the fuck it, how you pronounce it? Shrewfelsd-Staffin or whatever. I don't know if he joined the SS. He was basically a member of the Nazi party who was in Hitler's inner circle, basically was Hitler's guy if anything needed to be built. And I was kind of like, so was he just, you know, he was the engineer of the Third Reich is what it was.

And, you know, I'm guessing being an early adopter of the Nazi. the ideology probably ingratiated him. Who's to say if he was the best? But, you know, you buddy up to Hitler and everything. And when he needs something built, you know who he's going to go to. Yeah. Six degrees of Hitler, you have to be a very yes man to be that close to the man. No matter, if you're going to be close to him, it's not just going to be.

That's all he was surrounded by. And this is going to explain a lot of that, even more so than when we were talking about some details that we didn't discuss during the Hitler episodes. So the first project, when Hitler and the Nazis end up coming to power, the Autobahn, it had been like kind of an idea that was first thought of and kicked around back in 1926. And they were basically like, well, we need design a fast highway, a super speed highway that we can get from Germany to Basel Switzerland. And so I'm guessing because like there were banks and a lot of finances in Switzerland, it was probably due to economic reasons. Oh, that makes a ton of sense. And who's also going to have at that point have high-speed cars?

It's going to be rich people trying to get someplace. I didn't know that that's where the Autobahn ended. Well, and a ton of it gets built. Yeah. So he comes in and he's named, so once the Nazis come to power, Fritz is basically named the Inspector General of German roadways. So being buddies with Hitler has its perks. Oh, yeah. So part of this is Hitler's like, you're going to go and take over and build the Audubon.

Does he at this point have his own private company? and then... So as an engineer, he's put in charge and he starts to build the groundwork of this company. Okay. It doesn't become organization toot until essentially

Hitler either provides a name or provides like permission, his blessing to create this organization. But he's essentially because he's the guy, he has access to everything that the Nazi regime has. He can absorb companies if he needs to, anything like that. Is it a very fascist way of doing business

as it happened back then in that specific area of the world so he's working on building the Audubon by 1934 he was almost a cabinet rank with Hitler so basically within his inner cabinet I know people know a lot about like how structure is done within like politicians

and things like that but you basically have like your cabinet is like your military advisors your economic advisor like the people that you're primarily going to for anything and everything your secretaries And your advisors will There are people that will not advise you Unless Hitler provides it for something like

Yes mind fear good good that sounds great But just like we have Secretary General Secretary of the Army all that kind of shit You're in this cabinet rank to where You're the one that's turned to for X project But at this point he's just the you know The Inspector General German roadways He builds himself up from being something that would be kind of innocuous

I mean you know you need roads and infrastructure But at the same time The Nazis are now in like military conquering mode at this point So I think that's also why he gets kind of brought up to that that status. So by 1938, he'd supervised in over 1,900 miles of the Audubon had been built. So he's fucking cranking. And the Audubon was like, when did Germany host the Olympics? Because it was during Hitler's, when Hitler was in power.

Yeah, I want to say it was 42? Or was it 38? It was 38, I think. It wouldn't have been 42 because then everyone was at war. That's a good point. So I think it was in 38, maybe a little bit before. 38 was Jesse Owens. The Autobahn was like the crown jewel.

Like, look at what we've done. Look at this. Like, look how fast you can ride on this. Look how, you know, look how fancy we are, basically. This is the bow tie on the turd. Exactly. I got a wonder, though, back in that time, how fast could cars really go on the auto bar? That's what I'm saying.

But it can go as fast as you want. Yeah. This world can handle the fastest cars. Isn't it pretty? How fast does your car go, 45? It could definitely handle 45. Oh, definitely. is synonymous with the road in the world that doesn't have speed limits.

Everyone knows what the auto bond is. Yeah. So. Where does that rank on shit that you'd like to do in your life? Drive on the auto bond? It would be up there to say I've done it. To say that I, but then they'd be like how fast as you go and be like,

I'm 105. And then it scared me and I backed off a real quick. Well, and at the same time, too, I don't know, they probably don't have Hyundai's and shit like that over there, but would you want to rent a car in Germany?

I'm assuming it's a major highway, like regular. And at this point, it's not a two-laner, so I'm sure they have multiple lanes where slower cars can drive. But I'm saying if you were to do it, would you be like, I did it in a Volkswagen? If I'm going over there to do it, I'm getting a fucking supercar. You're renting a supercar to do it or an ass. Mark it down for one of the episodes when we do the history of the automobile. Okay.

So, well, where do you find these people to do this giant project? Well, by 1935, they'd already started, and I don't think we've really discussed this part. They started making conscription for public service. a thing that you had to do in Germany. So all males, 18 to 25, had to perform six months of state service. And he was in charge of being provided that. I guess it sounds weird, but at the same time, places like South Korea mandate, military. They do, but that's not you, the thing about, you know, the Nazi regime is the atrocities

committed against other people. Yeah. You're like, oh, you were also treating your own people like shit, but yet still they somehow believed in you. Like that's how crazy it is to think about that. And it was probably also because it was six months, it was probably like, oh, by the way, now that you're done with your six months of public service, why don't you just move into

the military? Let's just go ahead and start doing that. So in 38, organization, Toad is kind of officially born. And that kind of coincides with the shift from the Audubon and Hitler is like, enough was zeroes. Let's start building something, you know, military shit. So

his first project is the Sigfried line. So you have the Maginot line, which is the giant fortifications across the border of France that's supposed to stop any type of invasion. All the tank traps, the gun emplacements, all that kind of stuff.

The thing that works super well during World War II? Yes. Well, Hitler was like, I like their wall. Let me build one of my own. So the Sigfried line is basically the defensive fortifications after the Germans had gone and taken over like the Rhineland

in the low countries, they built the Sigfried line to protect them from invasion from the West. Was this before or after the Maginnell? After? After. The Maginnell had been built after World War I, I believe. They were like, you know what? We're not letting the Germans do this shit again. We're building the fucking defense.

So basically Hitler, you know, during the entire time in his rise to power, who does Hitler not like that he notes many times and also in Mindomph? Australians? I thought it was communist. Oh, okay, calling me. Okay, Oscar. So he already has focus. He's like, I'm invading the East. And this is a time when him and Stalin are supposed to be talking, buddy, buddy.

So he's like, I need you to build the Sigfried line because once I start invading into Russia, I don't need the pesky French or any of the Western people interfering. So we need some defense here. So it's 400 miles that stretches from like the Luxembourg and everything up on the coast there and all the way down the border. Legit wall? it so basically what it was made of not like a wall isn't like the Berlin Wall Great Wall of China

because that's just something you could punch through and then leave it was a series of like bunkers, fortifications tank traps use natural terrain for like forest where they couldn't go and essentially he was assigned 500,000 men to be able to build this thing

if you're building something you said it's 400 miles long yeah you're gonna need a lot of people you are but within four months 10,000 bunkers had been built. So you're already putting all of these resources for gun emplacements and everything over on this Western side.

I mean, that's how much you're already building up and you're trusting this as the company to go ahead. Like, I don't know who's coming up with this because it doesn't end up being super effective when the allies finally get to it and need to get across it. And that's going to kind of be the play with a lot of these projects they do is Hitler has a big, like a lot of input on this. He's not like, hey, you guys are all the experts on fortifications. You guys go figure out, do testing, find out what the best fortifications are,

how many of them we need and where they need to be strategically placed. Hitler would sit there at night and draw bunkers. And then he would have them come in. I'm not fucking with you on this. He would draw bunkers and gun emplacements. He would then have his assistants come in. He'd be like, this one looks good, and send it to the fucking tote. and they would implement that into building the bunkers.

There was no oversight on a lot of these. If Hitler drew it and they were just like, I guess this looks good. And he'd be like, we need this many of these in this place. And no one would be like, that's insane. That doesn't work. Many times, Erwin Rommel and a couple other, not many times, I guess, because they wouldn't be alive.

But like generals, after the war and they were like talking about my time with Hitler. They were like, when we were providing, we did inspections of this of what he had planned to do, we were like, is this, is this serious? Like, this is not going to be able to do anything. Yeah. But because it came from the fear, no one was going to say shit about it. Well, you probably kept a copy pretty close at hand of Hitler's crown drawings that he had done to show them. Yeah, no, this is, here's your blueprint. This is what your boy came up with.

We just dug a bunch of holes. Yeah. He would go out and inspect him, though. So if they didn't match his drugs, he's like, Why does it not look like the picture? I don't know if you know this. This is just weird something that my mind works. And I don't really know if this is like it was with other wars.

Where was the funding for all this stuff coming from? Do you know? It was coming from. So they had had kind of an economic upturn. I'm trying to remember what it actually, what caused it. Did the Nazis have taxes? No. Oh, okay.

That's what it was. Sorry. So what had happened is because they were still. filling the effects of the depression. Yeah. That's how they could get all of this labor. They were paying them to some degree in some circumstances, but it was so little, but they didn't have any other options.

So they had all of this manpower. They had raw materials that they could use within Germany for building concrete and steel and do all that kind of stuff. But basically people even looked at it, like Hitler's putting us back to work where we weren't earning anything. Now we're at least earning something. So these big projects that he would announce that are being built, again, this is at a time. remember the whole reason why he got into power is he's like, I want to make Germany strong again.

So he's like, let's build a big fucking defensive wall and everyone's like, fuck yeah. And their propaganda that they would film, they would show only like the biggest fortifications or the place that had the best defensive show it back in propaganda videos and everyone would be like, oh my God. Like we're so powerful. So funding from this was probably just you do this and I'm not going to pay you. or we'll take over your company. There was still funding that they were getting. I mean, they were spending government money, like millions of Reichs marks.

So I don't understand those. Where are those Reichs marks coming from? Maybe you're printing your own money, man. Oh, okay. So this is probably why inflation was... Because at this point, they're Reichs marks. It's now the official new German form of money. And this is probably why inflation goes crazy for them for so long.

I'm guessing probably had something to do with it. They were just printing money. So, I mean, the majority of it was like tank traps. They called them dragons's teeth. They're basically the, like big concrete like two foot high like pyramid type pillars but they were sunken into the ground there was like fields of them to where they couldn't you know tanks would tip over and everything um i didn't realize this when like thinking about this but you view it just like when

someone says like the line or whatever you just imagine it like a line with like some defenses and everything that's supposed to keep them from getting you know 50 yards and then if they get past that it's like oh well now we're free now we can just go so the way that these were designed and i don't know why this occurred to me. So basically, they would have these tank traps to strip the troops and, like, uh, forces of their armor and their protection. They would keep then moving forward, but the only people they could move forward through those would be like infantry and everything. So then they would have like tons of barbed wire obstacles that could be taken down, but to keep moving, it then funneled them even more. Then you would have these huge, there was so many fucking

mines, dude, planted by these companies and during like these defensive fortifications. Like I'm surprised that they're not, and I'm sure this happens all the time, but people stepping on old undetinated mines and dying in those countries. That was probably a pretty big deal after the war. There's no way they could have got them all. The numbers are fucking like unbelievable. So they would have minefields then that would then funnel troops into then strong points where there were larger defensive fortifications from the Germans.

So it was like aligned. But at the same time, it was meant to like direct. troops. So there was like, it wasn't just a line, but like, well, if we get over that, we're home free. It, it diverted you into where like the kill zones would be. And it kind of just broke down your defenses to be able to do anything once you got there. It kept stripping you of equipment that you could use. And by

then, you were just guys on foot with the rifles he had in your hands walking into machine gun nest and fucking artillery and stuff. This is home alone when Marv's walking up the tard steps. Yes. He loses his shoes. It's evil home alone. It's evil Hitler home alone. He loses his socks and then he steps on the nail.

Okay. So apparently Hitler's impressed. Hey, Fritz, fucking awesome job on the Sigfrid line. I saw the home movies. It looks fantastic. We are protected. Guess what? 1940 rolls around and Fritz is named the Reich Minister of Armaments and Munitions.

Not to interrupt again. Did the line ever, did the, what was it called the Fritz? The Fritz line, the Siegfried line. The Siegfried line. Did it ever see action? Yes. So it didn't see action until the Allies. had invaded and pushed in because remember at this point it was just to protect them from being invaded once they started doing their shit to start the war in poland and all that area they just wanted defenses so france couldn't come in they didn't even need it because france was just like oh we see what you're doing over there but britton are you going to do anything they're like just tell them to stop doing it yeah oh okay please stop doing that so this was built in theory for protection as they invaded but it was used as defense when they were on the run correct okay gotcha

So he's in 1940. He's named Reich Minister of Armaments, munitions. So this is huge. This is basically the guy that's responsible for the entire wartime economy of Germany during World War II. So his organization is hired again because Hitler's got plans to go ahead and invade Russia, Operation Barbarossa. Hitler has this thing where he thinks he should be leading at least kind of from the front. Crazy fact that I didn't realize he did not spend that much time in Berlin. during World War II.

And it wasn't at time at the Berghoff or whatever his place down in the Alps was. The Eagles Nest or whatever was. The Eagles Nest, never the Klein Haun, I can't remember what it was called, but it was in Berches Garden. And he did not spend very much time there. That was like a vacation spot. Not as much time as you would think in Berlin. There's a place that he spends over 800 days in. And this place, have you ever heard of the Wolf's Slayer?

It sounds familiar, but I don't remember. So late 1940 Construction begins on the Eastern Front headquarters It's in East Prussia To give you an idea where that is If you're looking at Germany East Prussia is going to kind of be Remember where they

Germany was split up And they wanted to take over that stretch Where Poland had the stretch to have a port city Oh yeah East Prussia was on the other side Okay Fuck what was it And then they took over all that area

Because they're like we're just connecting And they use the excuse We're just connecting Germany Because there's German citizens over here when they were taking over Poland. So Hitler decides because this is Nazi occupied area, and it's relatively safer, this is where he's going to build the Eastern Front headquarters.

Now, he had built one, and this is after the invasion of France, he had built one called the Falson Nest, which was like the Falcons Nest or something, over kind of in Western Germany, and that's where he kind of ran the Blitzkrieg from. He wanted to be closer, because at this time,

you've got to remember communication, getting back and forth to Berlin and everything, it's still going to be slower than he likes. And so at this point, he's like, no, I'm going to be up kind of closer to the front. So in case I have to send them a message, it's only going to take one day. Remember everything went through him.

Yeah. Like he had this thing that he didn't trust anyone else and that all directives had to be issued through him. So same thing on the eastern front. I need to be as close to the front as possible so I can make sure I'm in control of everything. I don't trust my fucking generals. What would they know?

They're only the people that have studied war their entire lives. They're not the leader of Germany. I'm the leader of Germany. I'm the leader of Germany. I was a fucking corporal or whatever it was in World War II or in World War I. So he builds this. He has Fritz basically start construction on what's called. He names it himself because he's the wolf, the wolf's layer.

And only accessible by a single railway or a small air strip. This thing was out in the middle of the woods outside of this town called, well, shit, I thought I'd written it down. I'll find it. Small shing garden? I can't remember. I'll get to in a second. So this thing is constructed as basically a fortress

that has to be hidden in the trees. It's made up of like three different rings of defense. And the outer ring essentially is just like manned by troops and watch towers and everything. As it goes in, you get more of like in the second ring, you get more of like the barracks for the troops. All of his cabinet members also have places here. They designed these crazy fucking bunkers

And there's like this weird jockeying for position on who gets to build their bunker closer to the fewer bunker Of course By all of like the you know gerbils and goring and everything So they get to work on this It's such a big project that They have to tell the people in the town that's like 25 miles away That they're putting in a new concrete plant There's like 50 there's 50,000 workers

that are starting to build this thing. And basically, initially, like when he had the false nest over in France, he built like a bunker that was more sunk into the ground. Because this was built like in the middle of a swamp for defensive purposes. They were like, Fritz is like, well, we just have to build the bunkers on top of the ground. Surrounding this place was 54,000 mines. So he ends up getting there. I think the construction was complete June 21st of 1941.

So pretty, six months. to build this thing. He ends up arriving like three days later, two days after Operation Barbaros had the invasion of Russia start. So he's already out there. He launches the operation. He takes his armored train. Was fucking nuts.

I'm going to get to that here in just a second. What was the purpose of all the defense? He was so paranoid about defense that when they were building it, it was right underneath somehow. It was right underneath the commercial flight path from like Moscow to Berlin. and so a plane would fly over during construction no one even noticed it but when you look at it from the

top they had stretched nets and planted fake trees and stuff on the roofs of these giant bunkers to where from the top you can't tell it wasn't an unbroken forest it was this huge fucking complex so and this was all just born out of paranoia like they weren't close enough

to where the line was of fighting no at this point Barbarossa is going on they're just, remember, they're pushing the Russians all the way back to, like, Berlin. So they didn't really need any of this. This was just Hitler's grand idea for protection. He thought that the Allies knew where he was at all times. He thought that they were going to bomb him.

So I told you he spent over 800 days of this place. It was the longest at any of any one place during the entire war, which is crazy. It sounds safe of shit. Well, and here's the thing about this place. When I started telling you about his bunker and where he was, it's like he was fucking nuts. as far as like paranoia goes. So he spends time there. He's able to kind of travel back.

He goes to, you know, the purchase garden, the over Salzburg, sometimes for like vacations and summers. Because again, you know, wars have breaks. Yeah. So when the winter comes in,

they're like, we can't do anything. So he's like, I'm going to head out. You guys make sure everything stays good here. So while he's gone one of these times, he gets a little more paranoid

because all of a sudden the war might not be going as great as it is. At this point in 43, late 43, America has joined the war after the little Pearl Harbor incident. And he knows that invasion is going to be coming from the Western allies, you know, sooner rather than later.

So they upgrade his little fortress there. And his bunker was surrounded, the room in it, was surrounded by 23 feet of concrete on all sides. Like steel reinforced concrete. Oh, my God. It was a 200 foot long by 120 foot wide. structure. It was fucking enormous. His

living quarters inside were nine by 11 feet. That's how much room he had dedicated to just the fucking concrete and sand to fortify this. He fortified a prison cell. The final stage of this construction of the Wolfslayer when they were upgrading all this kind of stuff used enough

concrete to build the Empire State building three and a half times. I'm shocked that he didn't walk around in a suit of armor at all times, man. That's the amount of construction. They put in a new fucking concrete plant, which I'm sure they used for other things. No, no, no, that was the... Oh, that was

the sole purpose? That was the ruse to explain to why there was a ton of Germans out there, because they had to come back and forth to the town. They would have to split the railway coming into the town for Hitler's train to go. So, I mean, they had to like, you know, like, hey, don't come look out here. It's just a cement plant. We don't

have to kill everyone that sees this place. But did they build an actual cement to make it easier to pour all the cement for the wolf? They would have to have some something like that for the infrastructure and everything, but I don't know if it was a full on plant. It sounds like it would fucking require it, though. Well, that's what I'm talking about. Like, that's how far that they went that he was starting new infrastructure closer just so he could build such a massive structure that

he didn't even spend his last days in. Well, and this just goes to show you how much, how many, like, you look at it and like, how did, like, how are they running out of resources? I know it was fighting a war of attrition against, you know, the Russians and everything. I know there was pressure from the Western allies, but like the Nazis started beating themselves by stretching themselves too thin to where they didn't have the resources. And then you find out that like just for Hitler's personal stuff, how many of these resources he's allocating to just like his own protection. He had a railway, another one of the taught constructions was he traveled by armored train a lot during the kind

of early stages when they were taken over like Poland. He was traveling around. So the train was of course reinforced. It was basically just, you know, had guns on each side. His cart was the one in the middle and everything. And he was paranoid that the allies were going to try to bomb him while he was traveling in his train. I don't know what the thought process behind this was. Like if he thought that the allies were going to bomb him in a very specific place or time, he builds this headquarters that he could drive his train into in this place called Poland.

So it was built in the summer of 1940. So while the Wolfslayer is being created, he's like, well, I got to be traveling around. And I got to have a headquarters for this. this thing was 1,300 feet long, 27 feet wide, 32 feet high, and the walls were 2 to 3 meters thick. So 2 is 6 foot 7 inches, so 3 would be almost, what, 13 feet, 12, and then some inches added onto it. Yeah. It took a year to complete, and it had to require guard stations, fortifications, barracks, all that kind of stuff. So there were soldiers having to man this thing.

he used it one fucking time for like a two day period and he used it to meet Mussolini to talk about the invasion of Russia that was fucking it their trains met there his train was inside there he didn't come out of his train car

out of the bunker he made Mussolini of course come meet him in his train car the resources that were poured into that thing and he used it one fucking time like it's it's fucking crazy just like the waste but like also just like his parents noia. Well, and you see it

is probably like once he got it done and he went and visited he's like, oh shit, this is what we built? And they're like, yeah, dude, this is exactly what you said that you wanted. This can withstand a shelling. He's like, but I still have to go into it and they can just bomb right at the beginning.

So if I go in and they bomb the railway leaving, I'm not going to be able to get out. I was like, yeah, dude, we told you. This wasn't going to work. This wasn't very smart. He's like, uh, I know you guys built this and I don't want to waste it. I don't like it.

Yeah, I'm going to show. I don't like it. I didn't think it was going to look like this. Uh-huh. We went off your drawings. I didn't see it like this in my head. Yeah, so he just, turn the train around.

He wasted all the time, all the money and all the resources just to second guess his own idea. So what are you going to do? You're going to give Fritz some more stuff to do. Yeah, you got to. You got the Western allies getting ready to invade. So he's like, well, shit. Now I know that invasion's coming from France.

It's got to. So he's like, Fritz, I'm going to need you to build a wall from up in like fucking Norway all the way down the Atlantic, all the way around France and down to Spain. And I'm going to need you to go ahead and put like 15,000 bunkers on this thing. When it's done, it's going to be manned by 300,000 soldiers. A lot of this was like, you know, some of it was terrain, you know, where you couldn't land an invasion force and everything. they would turn any because his we talked about this I think during the operation

overlord and the DDA episodes but Hitler's thought was that it's got to take place at a port the only way that this allied invasion can even be successful is if they're able to invade a port take over that port and be able to have a constant flow of supplies coming in and so any of these ports that had port cities along the French coast and everything they basically had Fritz and his company turn into but they considered like citadels or fortresses. You couldn't invade them. I think we talked about the Diep raid or something maybe during Churchill's episode.

And it was kind of the, it was like an early British invasion to see if they could try to take over like a little port city and it went really, really badly for him. It was something that Churchill actually got a lot of shit for I remember something like that. But basically they're like, okay, we're going to re-fortify all these fortresses. And then this is where you now see like when you're viewing the Atlantic Wall or you're watching a documentary on it. You see those big bunkers built right on the beaches overlooking. So he basically, again, he's doodling fucking bunkers and telling Fritz like, I like, I like this one.

This one looks good. And it's like, go build it. So. Sorry, Adolf. That's not even a shape, man. We can't build it to look like that. But I want it. Make it happen, please.

So I am Zephyr. Who was the point man on the Atlantic wall? We talked about it during the D-Day episodes. Oh, uh, later on it was Rommel. It was Rommel. Yeah, I'm trying to remember the first guy.

I can't remember the first guy's name. I probably should have written that down. But so Fritz and his company, they're building the Atlantic Wall, like the undertaking of building that thing, it was called, it called it Directive 40. But like you want a,

the wall was six, one thousand six hundred and seven hundred and seven miles long. And you somehow have this like weird expectation. He wanted it done in like, I want to say five months, maybe it might have been seven months, 15,000 bunkers. In that time frame, I think they ended up getting like 3,000 of them built. But you got to understand this is an insane coastline. And then also he hired this company. There are islands in the English Channel that are between Britain and Germany in France.

He took over these islands. And he turned them basically into giant fortresses as well. It's like, what do you fucking, like they're not going to attack. those islands like what do you think the fucking allies are going to do best case scenario we sail around your fucking islander you sail where you can't shoot it us from it why do we need this tiny piece of land we're invading fucking france best case scenario is you have a ship that gets confused and gets too close and you fire off a couple rounds at it like it's not it just shows you how like he did not somehow he got into power he had this skill of finding his way into this

position, it's King Ralph. He's in this position and he thinks because he got into this position that he now knows how to like all this about military strategy and how to maintain this position. And the first guy that was put in charge of the Atlantic Wall at the end of the deadline, he's like, how many bunkers did you build? And he's like, oh, we got like 3,000. I think it was like, it was a quarter of them. So it might have been like 6,000.

And he's like, yeah, I'm putting Rommel in charge. Ramal had already been beaten in Africa but he had had that clout and everything he comes back up he goes and surveys the entire wall and he comes back and he's like are you fucking kidding me he's like this does not work

he's like all of our defenses are like at the fucking beach like what happens not only are these exposed also to naval fire but what's behind this as soon as they get behind this you have to have like all of his military generals are telling them it's like you have to have defense in depth remember when we were talking about

the push through italy and how they had fallen back and had those defensive lines to like delay them and everything that's like defense in depth to try to hold them back weaken them and then finally hold them at a line the way he saw he was like this is like you have these insane stretches of landable beach i think he said he went and walked a section of beach i don't know if it was the normandy beach i believe it actually might have been now that i'm thinking about it he walked it and he He's like, this reminds me of where they landed when they invaded like Sicily. Oh, that's a bad sign. Yeah, he's like, this is the same type of terrain and everything.

It doesn't have a port or anything like that, but this is the same type of like Aryan terrain. So he basically did what he could. And he's like, we need to shore up some shit here. And basically was able to build like smaller positions where he saw weaknesses. Still wasn't enough, evidently, because it took the allies on D-Day hours, tend up pushing through that. Yeah. In Hitler's defense here, God, that's a scary thing to say. If you have D-Day coming and you know there's going to be a massive invasion along there and you're like, hey, I need this done in five months. Hitler wanted it done in like two months because he knew the shit that was coming. So he felt probably that five months was a better deadline than his two months. And he didn't go out and survey this himself, right? I don't believe so. He might have gone and looked at second.

of it. I know that he made huge deals. This was supposed to be like impenetrable. And the way that they showed in propaganda, it looked that way. There's a few, Hitler would also design gun batteries. Not being an artillery person, he would design and he'd be like, I think it should look like this and the gun should point this way. And this is what it should look like. So

they were literally also building this Atlantic wall. They were scrounging and scrapping and pulling weapons that they had conquered from like the Polish and the, you know, the checks and everything and moving it over. here to the Atlantic Wall to try to use. Everyone uses a different shell. They say it was a logistic nightmare. He's like, what are you sending all of these random assortment of guns here?

Like, this one needs this ammo. This one needs this ammo. Like, it was a fucking nightmare, the stupidity of it. We're almost just like, this makes no sense whatsoever. So when you couple a fast timeline and you couple basically trying to armor it with the spoils that you've won from other sides, there was just no logistical way. Would you say that if Germany had another six months to a year before D-Day that they could have done it? Or do you think that it was-

If someone else would have been put in charge and before the D-D invasion happened, I think what would have happened is after he put Rommel in charge, Rommel would have went back. And if he's like, I have another six months, okay, I can make this thing a lot better in six months. But he didn't. He just had to try to do stuff. And also going up and trying to tell Hitler's business and being like, you like what are you going to what are you going to say in that situation speaking of that

here's why you don't say anything in those situations so in february of nineteen forty two while the war in russia is not going very well apparently fritz gets it in his head that he's so indispensable to the fear he's got so much you know he's done all these things for him he he now has the ability to voice his mind to the hit to the hiller to the to the hiller so the hittler so he goes, and he had a bunker at the Wolf Slayer. Like I said, there were all these bunkers for pretty much anyone within his cabinet. They all had, like, it was his big bunker, and then like a bunch of little baby bunkers all around.

Was his close? Was his close to the Furers bunker? His was actually, like, in the second ring or something. Not bad. Not bad. No. Second ring Hitler? Yeah, not bad at all.

But apparently he thought second ring was enough to voice his difference of opinion. There's the mistake. Yes. You're not even a first ring guy, and you're thinking, like that. Not a chance. So he goes to Hitler at the Wolf Slayer and he basically tells him he's like, I think that the operation in Russia, I think it's not going well.

I think we need to actually just stop it. I don't think it's going our way. And basically voices his way of saying like, you fucked up. This, you know, this isn't working. Well, Fritz, after his plane takes off from the airstrip at the Wolf Slayer, his plane crashes. Literally, shortly after takeoff. from after this conversation, here's something that also happened,

the guy that succeeds him, Albert Speer. Did you ever hear the name Albert Spear? Yeah, that sounds very familiar. So he was like during the last part of the war after 42, the reason he's more well known than Fritz Tott is because he takes over as the Minister of Armourments, munitions, and takes over and absorbs organizational to-I-I-ke-I-kept. I keep saying Todd, because that's how it's tote.

Organization-tote, and he's now the guy in charge, but because he's the guy in charge during the later portion of the war and everything, he's the guy that everyone kind of used in that role. Gets all the shine. So Tote dies in this plane crash, yes? Oh, yeah. Here's the funny thing about it. It's totally an accident, right? Well, Albert Speer was supposed to be on the plane.

And before that, the night before the plane takes off after the conversation he had with Hitler, Speer has a conversation at a meeting with Hitler. And Speer just happens to have stayed up, was too tired, staying up all night talking to the fear of the night before, that he was going to catch the next plane. He wasn't the kid that fell asleep early at the slumber party. He stayed awake through the Hitler slumber party too long.

Okay. So, yeah, so I'm not sure how this is even a question that it's not like, there's so many things about Hitler that are already known, that like, what's the harm in saying like, there was never any definitive evidence during the investigation? I'm like, well, who did the investigation? They're like, well, since the Nazis were still in power, they determined that with their investigation that it was a freak accident, it's like, uh-huh.

So you're just telling me that the one guy that chose to disagree with Hitler then crash like the next day. And the guy that happened to get his job was supposed to be on the plane, but wasn't? I feel like the definitive evidence there was-sourcrow. Yeah. Here is what I smell. The definitive evidence was, it was Hitler. There you go. So another thing that this company did, and I know that I'm just fucking geeking out here about like the scale and everything.

is kind of going over to the war in the Atlantic is once they had conquered and occupied France, they now had this insane coastline access. Well, one of the things that was their strength when they were trying to weaken Britain and interrupt shipping and all that because the supply chain was the U-boats. Now they have the entire coastline,

all these ports in France, where now U-boats don't have to come all the way to Germany going past the British Isles and everything. Now they can dock at these places in France. So, Tote ends up creating, they built, I think, five or six of these enormous subpents that are still standing today. They're insane to see. They basically are built like on the water and they just look like giant garages where you could then pull the U-boats in for refit and repair. Yeah.

But the scale of these things is fucking just massive. So in this place called Lurion, there's like a, they chose like a 50-acre site. this one subpen alone that they built used a quarter of all the concrete used in France during the Nazi occupation there was a ton of the Atlantic wall in France

this one subpen that's how fucking big it was they said the roof on this thing because that's what after they kind of found and built these subpens the war in the Atlantic cranked up because the guy that was in charge I want to say was like Admiral Donix

Donics something like that he was the one that was in charge of the Kriegs Marine U-boat section. He basically, at one point he only had like, I'm not in like 24 U-boats that were operational in the Atlantic. Yes. But they were so successful during these Wolfpack hunts that during Hitler, he's like, I need more, he was telling Hitler,

he's like, I need more U-boats. He's like, show me why these things are useful because Hitler thought that battleships, flagships, capital ships were the way it goes. That's how warfare had always worked. During one of these raids, I think this guy in his war, Wolfpack scored like 36 ships sunk during like one operation. 36?

36 merchant ships. Because you've got to understand, they're just constantly going back and forth from the United States to Britain with all these war supplies. Constantly. So much. Yes, it's insane. He goes back to Hitler and he's like, look what I'm doing with just what I have. He's like, imagine I could just cut off and choke out Britain completely.

And then you don't even have to worry about fighting him. And he's like, fine, you're going to have your U-boat. So at some point, I think during the peak, they had over 300. hundred U-boats in operation. Makes sense. A lot of U-boats, you got to resupply them. So you build this huge fucking subpen, and it became such a problem

with these U-boats getting kills and interrupting supply chains that the R-AF and then the American bombers, the subpins were like huge priorities for them. So they were constantly getting bombed. The roofs on these things were like in upwards of like 20 to 30 feet thick.

With like cavities inside and designed to absorb bomb blasts and everything. There was a direct hit. The Brits designed a a bomb that I think weighed it wasn't 1,200 pounds. It was, I think, fuck, it was a matter of tons, but it was the largest,

one of the largest, like, free drop bombs of the war. They hit this thing with one of them, and it only penetrated, like, the first layer of the roof. Oh, God. It was undamaged on the inside. None of the operation was.

And it was so sophisticated. This is one of the things that I was kind of geeking out about is, like, you forget kind of, like, the level of sophistication that was even, like, how military drives innovation or how warfare drives innovation. So to get into this pen, it had one entrance.

You would drive the U-boat in. It was a dry dock. What would happen is there was a cradle underneath the water. You would drive it in. The water would drain out. It would set it in this cradle. It would then go up a ramp. It would then come out into this giant open courtyard.

And all it was, it was on a rail system. Once it got into position, it would then move sideways. And on the other side of this rail station was another set of renal. force bunkers with just nothing but bays. The U-boat would move down the line until it found an empty one, and then it would be pushed into the bay to be refitted, to be repaired, you know, any of the damage that it took out on its controls. And they even had, like, think of a fucking, like, a submarine being on these tracks.

It even had, like, a lazy Susan type thing where it could go into a central and it could be rotated, then then move back out. You're building a train station underwater, basically. It wasn't underwater. on land. It pulled it up. I know, but you're, and when you say courtyard, all this is still under a roof, right? No, it was exposed. Oh, they were out in the open? Yes. Oh, shit. So this is what they were really worried about because they had to get them from here. They said it took them 90 minutes to move a sub once it got out to the courtyard because it's such huge weight. It was moving so slowly. It would

take it 90 minutes sometimes to move into these bays and move in. So they're like, we're so fucking vulnerable during this time. 90 minutes is all day during an air raid. They, but the thing is, is like, the thing is still, it took the one hit, and it got to the point where they could not destroy this thing. And so they finally decided they'd like bomb the entire city around it, flatten the entire city of Lurion. Because if we can interrupt the railways getting to here for supplies, if we can turn the populace and not give them a supply of people to work there or anything, they basically couldn't take this thing out. So it's like, we have to scorched earth the entire area around it. It kind of makes sense, though, because if you're working inside of this impenetrable fortress, but you're living on the outside. of it or the resources have to come in from the outside of it.

If you clear the way on the outside of it, there's nowhere for them to go and they're just kind of trapped in their own little area. I had zero idea that it was that just that much. You can still go into, and a lot, I think there's six of them, five or six of these huge subpens. There's five or six of those? Yeah, placed throughout the coast of France. Oh, my God. Not to this scale. Some of them are smaller.

but even like looking up there's one in a place called St. Nazare, Nazaree, but it's on the water and it just looks like an insane garage that just you both would pull up and park in. Wow.

And it took them just to build this one. They built it all in 10 months. They started in December 41 and in 10 months it was complete. Do you think the diminishing returns of having so many subs there like outweighed the

effect that they were having on the merchant ships because they had too many subs there. Like they had so many subs that it was hard to get them in and out. They were constantly, they had it down to such a degree. There was a guy that was put in charge because they have to use sometimes, you know, first of all, the people building this, once the war takes over, you know, once the war in Europe kicks off and the Nazis are occupying areas, guess what?

You're no longer paying your people or making your people do this. This is all forced labor at this point. people being captured on the eastern front being sent over to build all these giant construction projects but you don't think the traffic going in and out of these pens no because what they were saying is there was enough of them to where they were constantly moving u-boats u-boats were out on controls for you know quite a while at a time they also had it to where they could like communicate and spread them out between these other ones so there was constant coming and going of all this stuff to the point where the only reason why this, you know, ended up them not being able to use these anymore

is because the allies landed and were able to invade. Oh, okay. Had they stayed, they would have just been cut off. So they had to end up moving, you know, moving back toward Germany and they had to fall back. And at that point, all of the U-boats had either been sunk during the, you know, the allied campaign or were all being pulled back toward Germany for use and defense.

So it wasn't, they weren't points of failure. They just couldn't maintain them because they were on the run. Yep. Gotcha. So they worked. They were successful. They were insanely successful to the point where it was starting to turn the tie in the war. The only thing that put the fucking kibosh to it is because France got invaded. Time.

Yeah. Huh. But it's just like nuts to see these, you know, these French ports that have all these beautiful buildings around and then you look over to the side. And there's just this giant ominous fucking gray concrete fucking beast. Just seeing them be like, remember me. Remember what I was used for? but I mean even after Fritz Totte died and the company was taken over by Albert Speer they were constructing underground airplane assembly factories under mountains

and everything once like the Allied bombing campaign started kicking up and they were able to reach further into Germany yeah so I mean any and all that were like the major fucking construction projects or they helped build the launch pads for the V1 and V2 rockets that were then launched over to Britain They were just, they were fucking involved in everything. Even the concentration camps. That's the least surprising probably. From 43 to 45, they ruled the administration of all conscript or of all construction of

concentration camps because they needed the forced labor. Oh, you need a new workforce and everything? Well, build all these camps. We got a whole bunch of people to film with and you can use them and work them to death. And just like we. talk about with war in Russia, there always seems to be more. Yeah, that's sickeningly efficient. Like, that's a...

So, 100% war criminal. Oh, yeah. But it's such a dark thing to think that... Like, from their point of view, like, cool, we're going to build these. You guys are going to fill them up, then we're going to use them with all the people that are filling up. But from every other viewpoint on the outside of the Nazis, it's like, you guys built these things with just the intention of using the forest labor that they fill them up with. Like it's such a win for them. Well, not all of them. Some of them are going to gas.

Yeah. The ones that we, oh, yeah, don't get us wrong. The ones that we're not going to work to death, well, we'll definitely gas. There is not going to stay in the camps for too long. Or maybe they will. We don't know. And we don't know anything about them because that's not our prerogative. Our prerogative is the force labor. Yeah, we just ask for guys and they just send us people.

We don't ask where they come from. We've never seen the constant. We, oh, when we built them, they didn't tell us what they were going to be used for. Yeah, there were summer chalays. there were summer camps Well, during the time that Organizational Tote was Working or was you know

Doing all these projects Labor that they were you know Forcing people to work 185,000 people died God damn In these fucking projects I know like related to the other casualties Holocaust just by itself

But like the actual warfare Between the Allies and them It's not a huge number But just to say that like this many people died just doing these construction, like just construction projects. Yeah. 180,000 people is a city.

It's a decent-sized city. Yeah. Just of people that died working for them. That's, that human cost is insane. And this, was this during Toad's time or was this after it was taken over? A combination. Okay. It was a combination.

Because you got to think that during the time when Toe first started and everything, until they start capturing countries. He was using people from Germany. Okay. As soon as they started invading other countries, you know that he was just getting some people. He was like, oh, I see you invaded Poland. Could use some people from there to work on these bunkers.

Polish people build great walls. Yeah. So is there a body count for Germans that perished working for him? It just said a total of 185,000 people. You have to think that before the forced labor prison, nerds were dying. There were definitely Germans that were conscripted into the construction. Oh, there had to have been like, I honestly, man, if you look at the way, if you watch a documentary, I got way too into this documentary called Nazi mega structures or Nazi mega weapons.

Well, the history. Yeah. But every time something would pop up, organization taught, organization taught. I was just like, fuck me. Like, if there was like a go-to to do this, that would be like us saying, well, what was every like tank and like plane built by they're like it was all built by ford everything was built by ford yeah lucky martin shows up in a lot of different areas of war for yeah so i mean these are just the things like and i don't want to get into the concentration camps i haven't even decided man if we can tackle a holocaust episode i don't know if if we did i don't know if it would be disrespectful to smoke during it we can't really put ourselves in that shoes i feel like it's

part of history and it's inevitable that we have to cover it. It's just something that I'm not looking forward to how I'm going to feel during that episode. Yeah, it's going to be tough, but again, it's a story that has to be told, and that's kind of what we do. I feel like we handle uncomfortable stuff decently well, and it's something that has to be talked about because the less it's talked about, the more it's forgotten, and the more it's forgotten that that's very true. Okay, you convince me. Closer it comes back. But, yeah, like, just the scale of what was done during these times and that there was initially just kind of this one guy that worked himself into this position to be kind of like the engineer of the Third Reich. Like, you know, after he died and they started fortifying Germany.

The tote organization did a lot of the bunkers and the huge gun towers and stuff like that. But and then the other crazy thing, too, is I don't know if there is. is more, I don't want to say relics, but landmarks, can you think of a company responsible for more currently existing still structures and landmarks? Like you walk through France and there are enormous sections of the Sigfried line that are still because those are in Germany. And after everything ended, we were like, we're not fucking cleaning that up. There's, you can walk along, you know, sections of the beach, like you walk, go to Normandy and

everything and you can still see the concrete. huge concrete pillboxes and everything that are overlooking the beach. I think that that is sort of a blade that cuts both ways because you don't really have the resources after winning a war to go through and erase all that shit. But at the same time, I also think if you leave it there and people see it, there's more of an appreciation for what happened. By the time you would have the resources and the time to really address that issue, you're looking at that thing and been like,

we should probably leave that there as a reminder. Exactly. Yeah. I think only probably besides that, you would say the Romans were the only ones that left as much shit around that's historically relevant. Yeah. And they were around for a lot fucking longer, too. But that's saying something. I don't tip my cap a lot to the Nazis, but they sure left a lot of different things. They sure knew how to pour a fucking concrete. Yeah. But yeah, like I was saying, just from the death toll and everything, watching those videos. And it even shows footage of them making the bunkers, pouring the concrete, all the stuff. steel reinforcement, all that kind of stuff. It's not safe looking.

They're literally just dumping concrete down with guys down below it, like shoveling and leveling it out. They didn't have OSHA. No, that's what I'm saying is all of these deaths are just like, what did it take for someone just to get hit in the back of the head by a lump of concrete, go face down into the concrete and been like, leave him. It's that much less concrete we have to pour. Yeah, he's part of the bunker now Hoover Damned style.

Oh, man. But, yeah, just one of those weird little niche things that if you're, you know, World War II history and everything like that if you're fucking obsessed with it in the manner that I am, you see these images so often in any type of documentary, you see these structures and you're just like, I don't know if you ever think you're like, well, the Nazis built that, but like, who with the Nazis built that? So just thought it was interesting. I know it's not a long episode, but it was enough to entertain you hopefully for a little bit. Well, and I think the biggest takeaway just from the overarching idea of the episode behind the tots,

the tot company that was called organization talk organization yeah is that seems like a very very important role just based on the hand that they had in Nazi construction that you never think about but at the same time the guy that ran the organization was so dispensable to a crazy person like Hitler that all he did was voice his opinion on something that was very logical

It wasn't an out-of-the-box idea. You're getting your ass kicked in Russia, maybe pull back so you don't get completely fucked there. And this guy that played such a huge role in being able to build up the infrastructure of Nazi defense just gets on a plane that magically crashes the day after. Like that's how unimportant he was to the most... Think of the message that's sent too.

Yeah. Because he's also there at the Wolfslaer with all of the Nazi brass and top command. All of a sudden, guess what? Guess where the news is coming back to, first that fucking Fritz's plane went down. What was that explosion we heard? Oh no, did Fritz's plane crash?

Oh, crap. Albert, you're up. But like all of a sudden, had you had any inkling of going to Hitler with any concerns or any type of dissension about what he was planning to do, that fucking ended it right there. Because they looked at that guy and like, this guy builds fucking everything for this guy. And he fucking just offed him. I'm a general, but like, I know there's someone else getting ready to take my place apparently if he was able to shift that guy. So, yeah, just a crazy fascinating topic, a niche topic I know.

Probably doesn't tickle everyone's fancy, but if you're in World War II, a lot of you people are into, it's why you tune into a history podcast. This is something that hopefully you guys find interesting. Yeah, very cool. Something that I wouldn't have wrapped my brain around, but listening to it is, it's a, That question that you don't ask because you don't think to ask it. But once you hear it, you're like, ah, shit. It all makes sense.

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