History That Doesn't Suck - 3: "Clean My Sh*t House!" The Boston Massacre

Episode Date: October 9, 2017

"Damn you, fire, be the consequences what it will!" ​ This is the story of the Boston Massacre. In the aftermath of a second botched attempt to tax the Americans and stop them from smuggling, John H...ancock's accused of smuggling and Boston gets occupied by a British army. Then, one cold night, things get out of hand, and five Bostonians are shot dead by the King's soldiers. The story has two sides. There's the Patriot version, where murderous soldiers terrorize, then fire into a crowd of 40 "lads" throwing snowballs. Then there's the Loyalist version, where 100 armed Bostonians assault the King's soldiers, forcing them to fire at the mob to save their own lives. Here, both are told in detail. This Second Edition episode is a rewritten, rerecorded, and remastered version of the original episode that aired on October 8, 2017. Head to HTDSpodcast.com to find out how to listen to the original. ____ Connect with us on HTDSpodcast.com and go deep into episode bibliographies and book recommendations join discussions in our Facebook community get news and discounts from The HTDS Gazette  come see a live show get HTDS merch or become an HTDS premium member for bonus episodes and other perks. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Red One... We're coming at you. ...is the movie event of the holiday season. Santa Claus has been kidnapped? You're gonna help us find him. You can't trust this guy. He's on the list. Is that Naughty Lister? Naughty Lister?
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Starting point is 00:00:23 Let's save Christmas. There it is. Only in theaters November 15th. Interior Chinatown is an all-new series based on the best-selling novel by Charles Yu about a struggling Asian actor who gets a bigger part than he expected when he witnesses a crime in Chinatown. Streaming November 19th only on Disney+. Welcome to History That Doesn't Suck. I'm your professor, Greg Jackson, and as in the classroom, my goal here is to make rigorously researched history come to life as your storyteller.
Starting point is 00:00:53 Each episode is the result of laborious research with no agenda other than making the past come to life as you learn. If you'd like to help support this work, receive ad-free episodes, bonus content, and other exclusive perks, I invite you to join the HTDS membership program. Sign up for a seven-day free trial today at htdspodcast.com slash membership, or click the link in the episode notes. It's the night of March 5th, 1770. Captain Thomas Preston and just over half a dozen of his red-clad troops charge through the snow-covered streets of Boston. Make way.
Starting point is 00:01:34 The men yell at innocent Bostonians between them and the custom house over on King Street. Upon arriving, they find a group of people, perhaps 30, 40 at most, mostly lads even, and immediately accost them. Moonlight glistens on the soldiers' bayonets as they thrust their menacing weapons at these youngsters. Pricked in several places, the lads naturally grow clamorous. They answer this violence with the only thing they have on hand on a biting cold night in Boston. Snowballs. But the well-armed, menacing captain
Starting point is 00:02:06 won't abide this small, far from violent response. On this, he commands his soldiers to fire, and as more snowballs keep coming, the Irish-born captain exclaims, Damn you, fire! Be the consequences what it will. They fire as one brave fellow manages to strike down a red coat gun
Starting point is 00:02:23 and graze the captain's head with a club. Three Bostonians lie dead. Two gasped for life. If anyone tries to help the wounded, the soldiers poke at them with their bayonets. Okay, that's one take. Specifically, one based on the Boston Gazette and Country Journal. But let's get another version, this time based on a pamphlet called A Fair Account of the Late Unhappy Disturbance in Boston. Let's try that again. It's the night of March 5th, 1770. Captain Thomas Preston and seven of his faithful soldiers make their way through the snow-covered streets of Boston. They're heading to the Custom House on King Street to save Private Hugh White. A large crowd of people have insulted, accosted,
Starting point is 00:03:07 and pressed this lone brave sentinel of the night right up to the Custom House door, and now the captain and his men will risk their own lives for his. I hope you do not intend they shall fire upon the inhabitants. One man, Mr. Palms, asks Thomas Preston as his men take formation before their beleaguered brother in arms. By no means. The concerned Irish commander quickly answers. But this massive crowd won't let up. They continue to insult and defy this party of soldiers in the same manner as they had the single sentinel, pelting them with sticks and ice chunks, calling out to them, Damn you, you rascals!
Starting point is 00:03:45 Fire! You dare not fire! Fire and be damned! To all of this, the captain only responds by requesting that they quiet down and disperse. If they don't, he warrants, the soldiers will be obliged to fire upon them. But his humane endeavors are to no purpose.
Starting point is 00:04:00 The crowd of menacing Boston men continue to attack, striking the dutiful soldiers with clubs and jagged, hard chunks of ice, all while taunting them to fire, screaming, fire, fire and be damned. Finally, a projectile strikes one soldier so hard, he slips on the icy ground and falls. It's after his gun goes off that the other confused, terrified soldiers panic and fire. In the moment of shock that follows, Thomas Preston leaps in front of his men. His gun goes off that the other confused, terrified soldiers panic and fire. In the moment of shock that follows, Thomas Preston leaps in front of his men. Damn you, rascals. He laments.
Starting point is 00:04:34 What did you fire for? Three men are dead and two more lying mortally wounded in the moonlight. Yet the accounts to come, like these two, will differ greatly. So who's right? Who's lying? Did the soldiers merely defend themselves or perpetrate a massacre? These are the questions a jury must answer. The jury of New Englanders. Welcome to History That Doesn't Suck. I'm your professor, Greg Jackson, and I'd like to tell you a story.
Starting point is 00:05:29 The Boston Massacre. That, or the unhappy disturbance in Boston, as the pamphlet puts it, is our subject today. Trying to make sense of it, we'll begin with why the soldiers are even in Boston in the first place. To that end, I'll start by telling you about Parliament's second attempt to tax the American colonies in the wake of the Seven Years' War, the Townsend Acts. We'll see how these acts lead to defiance and even a riot that contributes to Boston's military occupation. That background will then follow the rising tension and ongoing fights building up to the shooting, which we'll then revisit in far greater detail, and from both sides, of course. Once we've done all that, we'll take note of the evolving legacy of one of the most famous men killed in the shooting, an African-American named Crispus Addicks. Finally, we'll finish up by finding out what a New England jury makes of these British
Starting point is 00:06:19 soldiers' actions. Perhaps the soldiers' lawyers, including a young lawyer named John Adams, can come through. Ready? Good. Let's head back a few years and do this. Rewind. It's 1767, and time for Parliament's second major attempt at taxation in colonial America. The Townshend Acts. See, Parliament may have repealed the Sugar and Stamp Acts, but it's not like Britain's financial troubles ended. It's still expensive to run the colonies and all that new territory gained in the Seven Years' War. So what can Parliament do?
Starting point is 00:06:55 Well, it's as the saying goes, if at first you don't succeed, tax tax again. Yeah, I think that's how it goes, right? Hmm. Well, enter our new Chancellor of the Exchequer, Charles Townsend. Ah, yes, we met Charles, or Champagne Charlie, in the last episode, as he addressed Parliament speaking in favor of the Stamp Act and bemoaning colonial ingratitude. He pushes a few acts through Parliament meant to show America who's boss, particularly when it comes to taxes. I'll save one of these acts for the next episode, but here are three of them.
Starting point is 00:07:29 First, his New York Restraining Act is intended to punish this colony's legislature for not complying with the 1765 Quartering Act. It never takes effect, but still, this irks New Yorkers. Second, since Parliament sees Boston as America's Mos Eisley, Townsend's Commissioners of Customs Act establishes a Board of Customs in this colonial hive of scum and villainy, and further acts to reinforce the collection of duties that will follow later. Finally, we have taxation. The Townsend Revenue Act should raise about £40,000 per year to pay the salaries of royal officials in the colonies by placing duties on lead, painters' colours, five different types of glass, all sorts of
Starting point is 00:08:10 different kinds of paper, and, of course, tea. Now that amount itself is token, but that's fine. More revenue can come later. For now, Charles is more concerned with demonstrating that Parliament can and will tax the colonies. I mean, despite financial needs, it can't really be about the money considering that his Indemnity Act is lowering the taxes on tea in England. So clearly, this is more a show of power over the colonies. Now, why would Charles Townsend think he can get away with taxing some of the same goods as the first failed attempt at taxation since the Seven Years' War? Well, as we talked about in episode two, Parliament thinks Americans will be okay with it because this is an external
Starting point is 00:08:56 tax, as in a duty on imports. Huge mistake. Americans are divided in their response, but some call for a boycott of British goods. Massachusetts House of Representatives issues a circular letter, while John Dickinson is making a name for himself by writing a pamphlet, Letters from a Farmer in Pennsylvania, which denounces any taxes by Parliament, internal or external, as unconstitutional. Meanwhile, the external nature of these taxes means merchants like John Hancock feel the sting as they ship goods into the Americas. And John's not taking that lightly. Now, you probably know my man, John. He's the guy who will later sign his name on the Declaration
Starting point is 00:09:41 of Independence so big, legend will claim he did so to make sure King George could read it without his spectacles. That's apocryphal, though. Well, his reason for doing so is, his signature will be massive. That's true. He'll also serve as the president of the Continental Congress, become a major general during the Revolutionary War, and serve as Massachusetts' first state governor, getting re-elected over and over. But that's ahead. Right now, John has to settle for merely having a degree from Harvard, serving in the Massachusetts House of Representatives, and being Boston's ridiculously popular, immaculately dressed, good-looking, eligible bachelor.
Starting point is 00:10:20 Oh, he's also the city's richest resident. John runs a massive merchant empire that he inherited upon the death of his uncle who raised him. Raised him because John's own mother couldn't afford to do so after his father died when John was just a boy. Hold up. Good-looking, eligible bachelor with a massive fortune who's going to throw in with the vigilante Sons of Liberty and has a dead parent situation? You know what? I just realized John Hancock is Colonial Batman. Anyhow, like many Boston merchants, John isn't okay with absorbing these taxes. Although never proven in a court of law to have smuggled goods, chances are he is a fan of skimping on duties, like so many other Boston merchants. Like his uncle was, God rest his soul.
Starting point is 00:11:05 And John's been making his opposition to the Townsend Acts known loudly ever since they went into play last year. He's also annoyed with the new customs commissioners fresh in from Britain. These fellas think they can get Boston's merchants to pay up on the Townsend duties. Well, screw that. John says he isn't even going to permit them on his ships. And he stands by that on April 9th, 1768, the day after one of his ships, a brig called the Lydia, tied up at Hancock Wharf. Yeah, Hancock Wharf. He owns a freaking wharf. I told you he's a big deal. John Hancock doesn't get out of bed in the morning for participation trophies. But back to the Lydia. That night, customs agent Owen Richards, suspecting John a smuggler, sneaks on board to check out the ship's hold. And he does so without a proper warrant. When he gets below deck, he finds John with a
Starting point is 00:11:57 group of eight or so men, including the Hancock family slave, Cato, waiting for him. Owen must have crapped his britches at that site. They take Owen back up on deck. Two of the men seize and hold the customs agent aloft in the cool night's air while John asks the suspected customs agent, do you want to search the vessel? Wait, let me do that in my best Batman voice. Do you want to search the vessel? Owen swears he doesn't. I'm sure he got lost, you know, just wandered onto the ship. Well, Owens learned his lesson and John lets him go. As this story gets around town, it only makes the already insanely popular, sexy, elected legislator and wealthiest man in Boston that is John Hancock
Starting point is 00:12:42 that much more amazing in the eyes of his fellow Bostonians. He's a hero. But the beef between John and the customs commissioners is just getting started. A month after this incident, on May 9th, another of John's ships returns to Boston. It's a small sloop called the Liberty, and given that it's coming from the Portuguese island of Madeira,
Starting point is 00:13:04 you'd be forgiven for assuming its hull is filled with America's favorite beverage, Madeira wine. After all, that's what the customs agents think. But with the sun setting as the Liberty arrives, our dutiful agents decide against taking inventory in the dark. Hey, it's the 18th century. It's not like these guys have smartphones with built-in flashlights. They'll take care of it tomorrow, when they can see well and do it properly. The next morning, the agents get to it. They find the Liberty contains a mere 25 casks of wine. That's less than one-fourth of the sloop's full capacity.
Starting point is 00:13:39 I can picture the agents standing on the wharf, the Liberty bobbing in the waters of Hancock Wharf as their blood boils. It's hard to believe a ship would make a transatlantic voyage with a nearly empty hull, especially a ship owned by a businessman as brilliant as John. He must have had the majority of its goods unloaded in the dark of night, they decide. But what can they do? They have no proof. John pays the duties for the mere 25 casks and walks free. Oh, but they'll get him. In preparation for the next round, they request naval support, which results in the 50-gun ship of the line HMS Romney coming to Boston.
Starting point is 00:14:18 And in case you aren't intimately familiar with 18th century warships, this is a massive man of war. In fact, it's the biggest British warship in the Americas. Now, time out. You can see how this is not going to help the relationship between the Crown and Boston, right? These customs agents may see themselves as just getting the muscle needed to enforce the law, but Bostonians only see a huge man of war hanging around their harbor, ready to enforce more unconstitutional taxation with cannons. Oh man, and next month, that muscle is going to flex. Hard. It's now June 10th, 1768, and the customs agents are ready to act.
Starting point is 00:15:00 One of them is now claiming that, contrary to his prior report, he was forcibly detained on the Liberty for three hours on the night it tied up at the wharf. And while locked up, he heard, quote, a noise as of many people upon deck, at work, hoisting out goods, close quote. Furthermore, while it's common practice for merchants to load their ships
Starting point is 00:15:23 prior to getting permits, this technically means they lack a necessary permit for a brief moment. Well, now loaded with whale oil and tar for export, the Liberty is in that very state. And the customs agents are going to take advantage of that. Time to call in the big guns and have the Romney tow John Hancock's ship for this permit violation. But as men from the Romney prepare the Liberty for towing that evening, Bostonians passing by take notice. From their perspective, they aren't about to let these oppressive customs agents
Starting point is 00:15:55 or that evil gang-pressing captain of the Romney tow an American ship, much less one belonging to local legend John Hancock. A crowd quickly forms on the wharf and confronts the British sailors. Armed Marines are on hand and at the ready. You had better let the vessel lie at the wharf, calls out Daniel Malcolm, himself a ship's captain who's had some run-ins with the customs commissioners. No, damn you, cast her off, replies the comptroller, Benjamin Halliwell. I'll split the brains of any man that offers to reave a fast or stop the vessel,
Starting point is 00:16:30 screams the master of the HMS Romney at the Bostonians. He then tells the Marines to fire. What rascal is that? Who dares to tell the Marines to fire? The owner has been sent for. You had better let the vessel lie at the wharf till he comes down, calls out a voice somewhere from the sea of Bostonians present. No, she shall go, the comptroller rejoins. Kill the damned scoundrel, the master pipes in again.
Starting point is 00:16:56 We will throw the people from the Romney overboard, Daniel Malcolm answers. By God, she shall go, the master yells, also overcome by rage. Turning to the Marines again, he adds, Why don't you fire? With that, they cut the ropes holding Liberty at the wharf, drive the Bostonians that had come aboard off its deck, and the Romney tows John's ship away. The customs commissioners have shown their strength,
Starting point is 00:17:21 the crown's strength. They also just confirmed Boston's greatest fears and unleashed its rage. And as customs collector Joseph Harrison, his 18-year-old son, and comptroller Benjamin Hallowell walk from the wharf back to town, they get a taste of that rage starting around 7 p.m. Here's how Joseph will later recount the start of this horrific night in a letter to the Marquis of Rockingham. We had scarce got into the street before we were pursued by the mob, which by this time was increased to a great multitude.
Starting point is 00:17:55 The onset was begun by throwing dirt at me, which was presently succeeded by volleys of stones, brickbats, sticks, or anything that came to hand. In this manner, I run the gauntlet, near 200 yards, my poor son following behind, endeavoring to shelter his father by receiving the strokes of many of the stones thrown at him till at length he became equally an object of resentment,
Starting point is 00:18:17 was knocked down and then laid hold of by the legs, arms and hair of his head and in that manner dragged along the kennel in a most barbarous and cruel manner, till a few compassionate people, happening to see him in that distress, formed a resolution of attempting to rescue him out of the hands of the mob, which with much difficulty they effected, and got him into a house. About this time I received a violent blow on the breast. If I had fallen I should never have gotten up again,
Starting point is 00:18:45 the people to all appearances being determined on blood and murder. Joseph lives. Shortly after receiving this hard blow to the chest, some unnamed Good Samaritan saves his life by taking advantage of the mob's confusion and disagreement to lead the customs collector down another street to safety. Hiding at a friend's house, Joseph receives news an hour later that his son is okay.
Starting point is 00:19:08 Bruised and wounded, but okay. As for the comptroller, he received two bad contusions on his cheek and the back of his head. But while they might live, their personal property won't fare so well. Having swollen to what Joseph calls a prodigious number, the mob goes to the comptroller's home and smashes a few window panes. The livid Bostonians then head to Joseph's home, as well as that of the inspector general at the customs. They vandalize both of these houses in the same manner as well. And still, these angered Bostonians aren't done. Joseph tells us that the mob now
Starting point is 00:19:47 finds a new target, his sailboat. They make their way down to the water, and harnessing their combined manpower, drag the custom collector's fine, seaworthy piece of craftsmanship across the rough roads of Boston. I can imagine the vessel's hull splintering and cracking as the sounds of its suffering wood are all but drowned out by the laughter, jokes, and howls of the crowd. Finally, they get to the famous Liberty Tree. This is the same tree where the Stamp Act effigies discussed in Episode 2 were strung up. And now, this favorite gathering point for the Sons of Liberty becomes an impromptu court for the sailboat. They condemn the boat to death,
Starting point is 00:20:31 then drag it into the Boston Common and burn it to ashes. Joseph is heartbroken. He laments, the destruction of this boat I must own is a very sensible mortification, she being as celebrated here for swift sailing as Bay Malton is in England. After this, things calm down and the people disperse. This riot, called the Liberty Riot, owing to its start with the towing of John Hancock's ship, the Liberty, is finally over. If you ever make your way to the Boston Commons and enjoy a serene walk around the large, grassy area in the middle of an otherwise densely packed city,
Starting point is 00:21:00 just imagine this boat engulfed in flames in the dark of night, delighting the city's inhabitants. Maybe this act of arson occurred close to where some statue will later stand in the common. Maybe they went out to the common's edge, to where the public garden adjoins it today. Perhaps the boat met its end not too far from the public garden sculpture memorializing the children's book, Make Way for Ducklings. Well, toward the end of his letter to the Marquis, Joseph gives his opinion of the situation in Boston. To quote him once more, I fear the worst is not over. The people are distracted and liberty mad, and the enthusiasm
Starting point is 00:21:38 is spreading fast over the colonies. And if some prudent, judicious, and effectual measures are not immediately taken by the ministry at home to prevent it, I shall not be surprised if something like a general rising of the people should take place. The traumatized customs collector isn't the only one who thinks Boston is liberty mad. After this, Massachusetts Governor Francis Bernard wants the Commander-in-Chief of British Forces in the Americas, Thomas Gage, to station troops in Boston. But the governor and general are going to go the rounds on this issue. Here's why. Remember that American colonists are upset because they contend Britain is violating their constitutional rights as British subjects. These include taxation without representation, trial without a jury, or, as could be argued if General Thomas Gage just went up and made Boston his new home,
Starting point is 00:22:32 keeping soldiers around during peacetime. I mean, the only thing more British than the belief that a standing army menaces freedom might be Earl Grey tea. Okay, I'm kidding, the Earl Grey brand doesn't exist yet. But in all seriousness, for troops to enter Boston while respecting British rights and customs, a local magistrate will have to invite them. Now, the governor could settle the issue by inviting the army, but he fears drawing Bostonian ire upon himself in doing so. That's why Governor Bernard would love it if General Gage would just bring his troops to Boston without a civilian government invitation. But see, Gage knows better.
Starting point is 00:23:10 So he keeps insisting on an invite. Well, while this General vs. Governor standoff helps exemplify Boston's opposition to the presence of these troops, it proves to be a non-issue. Turns out that the Secretary of State for the Colonies, the Earl of Hillsborough, is also alarmed at the state of affairs in Boston. Not only does its inhabitants not play nice with the townsyndax, but they got exceptionally rowdy celebrating the anniversary of the Stamp Act's repeal last March. As such, he has already sent a letter to General Gage asking that military forces go to this rebellious city. It just takes so long for word to get from one side of the Atlantic to the other in the 18th century, the governor and general had no idea such orders were already en route. Still, the Liberty
Starting point is 00:23:55 Riot hasn't helped. It results in an even greater occupying force heading to Boston. On October 1st, 1768, the first several hundred soldiers arrive in Boston. With fife and drum, they disembark from their menacing warships at Long Wharf, then march down King Street. The Crown and its customs agents see them as peacekeepers. But many Bostonians, particularly the Sons of Liberty, see them as oppressors here to enforce Parliament's abuses of their rights. As the troops prepare to sleep at Faneuil Hall or make camp at the Boston Common, they and the Bostonians alike are filled with distrust and dread. From opposite sides, both fear this occupation will lead to violence, to blood, to death, And it will. Football season and download FanDuel makes betting on the NFL easier than ever before. So make the most of this football season and download FanDuel today.
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Starting point is 00:25:58 The first two regiments afoot in Boston, the 14th and the 29th, came from Halifax. The Crown sends two more, the 64th and the 65th regiments from Ireland, when it gets word of the more recent Liberty Riot. These, plus a detachment from the Royal Regiment of Artillery, will add up to about 2,000 soldiers in a city of roughly 15,000 civilians. So of course, the presence of these soldiers will be felt. They just upped Boston's population by over 10%. Thus begins the military occupation that leads to the Boston Massacre. T-minus 17 months and counting. Shall we set the stage? First, let's meet the troops. These aren't wet-behind-the-ears new recruits. No, in these days, the British military basically brings on new troops when there's a war to fight.
Starting point is 00:26:42 That means these guys are veterans. Experienced soldiers, not the type to get scared to make stupid early career mistakes. You get my drift? Keeping that in mind, let's also mention the 1714 Riot Act. This law controls how soldiers serving in a policing function,
Starting point is 00:26:59 as is the case here in Boston, have to handle themselves when dealing with groups. See, before this law, it was legal for soldiers to break up a violent mob by any means. They could even shoot at them. The purpose of the Riot Act was to enable soldiers to disperse crowds before they got out of hand, though.
Starting point is 00:27:17 First, the soldiers had to read the actual text of the law to the forming mob. At this point, the mob had one hour to take off. Anyone who stuck around after that hour was now a criminal, whether or not they had done anything illegal or violent. It no longer mattered. The soldiers were free to act.
Starting point is 00:27:36 But, as can happen, the court's interpretation of the text changed things a bit. Instead of enabling soldiers in policing roles, it bound them. As of 1765, soldiers were told not to get physical with any crowd unless a civil magistrate gave his blessing first. Otherwise, these soldiers could easily end up in court themselves trying to prove their very
Starting point is 00:27:58 lives were in danger, that they had acted in self-defense. If, in this scenario, they were found guilty, they could still hope for a royal pardon, but that wasn't a guarantee. This is why many of the leaders of the 4th Regiments in Boston feel like they are walking on eggshells. Here they are, supposed to keep the peace and rein in Bostonian violence, but they can't do much of anything without a magistrate's okay. And few leaders in Boston will ever give that to them. They know that. And perhaps worse, the Bostonians know it. Things go well enough at first. There are
Starting point is 00:28:33 scuffles and incidents between the two sides here and there, but these are sufficiently minimal that by summer 1769, the crown sees fit to remove some troops and ultimately halves the occupying forces' numbers. Still, as the first anniversary of the Redcoat occupation creeps up, the Bostonians are growing weary of the empowered customs agents. Almost as weary as they are of seeing armed soldiers occupying their streets. They know the free people of Britain are not meant to live under occupation. The tension is building, feuds are festering, and the scuffles are increasing.
Starting point is 00:29:10 I'll give you an example. Remember our buddy James Otis, Boston's assemblyman from episode two, who wrote a pamphlet decrying the Stamp Act and calling for the extension of civil rights to African Americans? Well, the evening of September 5th, 1769, nearly a full year into Boston's occupation, James heads to the British coffee house looking for a customs commissioner with whom he's had a bit of a public spat, a Mr. John Robinson.
Starting point is 00:29:34 When the revenue officer arrives, James demands they step outside for a gentleman's satisfaction. Not a duel to the death, but a fight with their fists. John answers by taking the Bostonian by the nose, which is a very serious insult in the 18th century, akin to flipping the bird in our day. The fight starts then and there in the pub, though by the time it's over, they've spilled out into the streets
Starting point is 00:29:58 and others have joined in. Not invited to intervene by a magistrate, perhaps like the very instigator of this brawl, James Otis, the soldiers do nothing. Such conflicts continue through the final months of 1769. They increase in early 1770. But things don't get serious until February. That's when one particular confrontation takes the tension
Starting point is 00:30:21 of this now nearly 17-month-long occupation to a whole new level. It's February 22nd, 1770. A group of boys, likely teenagers, are gathered in front of Theophilus Lilly's north end shop. They have a sign that labels the dry goods retailer as an importer, which is to say, one who isn't falling in line with the non-importation tactics patriots have now embraced against the townsyndax. Ebenezer Richardson notices. As a fellow loyalist whose work with the customs office has made him a likewise unpopular figure, Ebenezer goes up to the group and tries to take their sign. The youth now turn their attention to
Starting point is 00:31:03 him. Ebenezer retreats back to his house, but the boys and a growing crowd of men follow. They start throwing stones. The rocks shatter windows and hit Ebenezer, his wife, and one daughter as a man outside yells, Come out, you damn son of a bitch. I'll have your heart out, your liver out. Ebenezer is terrified and livid. He grabs his gun and shoots into the crowd. It was a terrible decision. He fired birdshot, which, if from a sufficient distance,
Starting point is 00:31:36 is more likely to injure than kill a person, but it proves lethal for the 11- or 12-year-old boy, Christopher Sider. The youth dies within hours. Depending on how you define it, he's the first life lost in this conflict that will later evolve into a movement for American independence. The funeral is four days later, on February 26, 1770, and it draws massive crowds. Literally thousands of Bostonians come to pay their respects as the casket containing Christopher's remains is carried publicly through the city's streets. Things have never been so tense
Starting point is 00:32:12 between the Bostonians and the Redcoats as they are after the funeral. Groups of Bostonians, perhaps gangs is a better word, wander about the city the next few nights just hoping for a fight. Fast forward just a few days to Friday, March 2nd, 1770. One wrong word can start a fight in the current atmosphere,
Starting point is 00:32:32 but poorly paid foot soldiers still like to find work when they're off duty. Apparently they aren't getting rich serving in the British military. Go figure. Anyhow, three soldiers head down, as they often do, to Hancock Wharf with hopes of making a little extra cash. So they're initially heartened when rope maker Samuel Gray calls out to them. And I'm quoting here. Soldier, will you work?
Starting point is 00:32:56 Yes. One of them responds. Then go and clean my house. Samuel hollers back, laughing. Some of the sources soften Samuel's language. I've also read little house and in another source, necessary house, which I absolutely recommend you start using. Necessary is so well put. Joking aside, whatever his exact wording, most other historians who quote this incident seem to prefer the swearing version. I do too, not because I want to shock you,
Starting point is 00:33:27 but because I want you to grasp the potency of the insult. I think the other versions are a bit lost in translation on 21st century ears. Regardless of his exact wording though, in Boston's present political climate, they were fighting words. Swearing he'll have satisfaction, the soldier takes a swing at Samuel. But as fists begin to fly, Samuel and his other rope-making friends quickly win the scrap. So the soldiers go back to the barracks for a few reinforcements. They return to the wharf for a bigger scrap. Three soldiers becomes eight, then 30, then 40, and according to some sources, still more.
Starting point is 00:34:02 We have to assume the rope- makers are about equal in number. After all, they just keep holding their own. That means as many as 100 men are fighting in this massive club-wielding melee. Only the intervention of Samuel's employer, Mr. John Gray, who may or may not be related to the younger rope maker, brings Friday's brawl at Hancock Wharf to an end. We make it through Saturday without a major incident.
Starting point is 00:34:27 Sunday is fine too. After all, there's no fighting on the Puritan Sabbath. But after 17 months of occupation, 17 months of troops feeling disrespected and endangered, and of Bostonians feeling their rights as British subjects trampled by these soldiers' very presence, 17 months of anger, tension, fighting, the recent death of little Christopher Sider,
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Starting point is 00:36:12 actual primary sources in more modern 21st century English. I'll start with a patriot version, which the unabashedly patriot-supporting newspaper, the Boston Gazette and Country Journal, will publish one week after tonight. Then I'll give you a loyalist version, which primarily comes from the pamphlet A Fair Account of the Late Unhappy Disturbance in Boston. As you'll see, they differ greatly in their framing, omissions, and even some of the claimed facts.
Starting point is 00:36:39 But let me add this. You can find more sources and versions if this interests you. There is no shortage of testimony for what takes place under the quarter moon tonight. Too bad many of those testimonies conflict at various points. It may well be that no other moment in human history is so well documented and yet remains such a mystery as the Boston Massacre, simply because the accounts are that different.
Starting point is 00:37:04 Okay, no further ado. Here's a pro-Patriot Boston Gazette-based version. It's the evening of Monday, March 5th. Several soldiers of the 29th Regiment parade through the streets with their cutlasses drawn and bayonets fixed, abusing and wounding a number of Bostonians. Just after 9 p.m., two youths, Edward Archbald and William Merchant, pass through a narrow alley, coming upon a soldier with a massive broadsword. A mean-looking man, armed with a cudgel, is keeping the soldier company. Little Edward tells William to be careful, and on that, the soldier strikes Edward on the arm, then pushes William and pierces his clothes,
Starting point is 00:37:45 grazing the boy's skin. William then hits the soldier with a stick. The cudgel-bearing man goes and gets two other soldiers, one armed with a pair of tongs, the other with a shovel. As the man with the tongs begins hitting Edward, some other boys hear the noise and come to help fight off the soldiers. One boy, named John Hicks,
Starting point is 00:38:06 knocks the tong-wielding soldier to the ground. These brave youths then chase the soldiers all the way to their barracks. Once armed, though, other soldiers come out, and in less than a minute, there are 10 or 12 redcoats, all armed with cutlasses, clubs, and bayonets. They go to attack the unarmed boys, but the youths quickly run off. At this point, Samuel Atwood, who has also heard the noise, comes to see what's the matter. Finding the dozen or so armed soldiers, he asks them, Do you intend to murder the people? Yes, by God. Root and branch, they answer.
Starting point is 00:38:44 And with that, the soldiers strike him with clubs, particularly on the left shoulder. Unarmed, Mr. Atwood retreats and soon comes upon two officers. Gentlemen, what is the matter? Mr. Atwood asks. You'll see by and by, they say. The soldiers then head to the square, asking, Where are the boogers? Where are the cowards? Seeing one of the boys, a soldier yells out, Damn them! Here is one of them!
Starting point is 00:39:10 A man with a drawn sword and cane stands ready to protect the boy, though. So the soldiers pass and let him be. The Redcoats next make their way to King Street and attack a single unarmed person. They then go down Cornhill Street, insulting everyone in their path, chasing people to their doors. By this point, a group of 30 or 40 people, mostly lads, have everyone in their path, chasing people to their doors. By this point, a group of 30 or 40 people, mostly lads, have gathered in King Street. And now, Captain Preston, leading a party of soldiers with charged bayonets from the main guard, comes onto the scene. Make way, he and his soldiers exclaim. Captain Preston and his men take their place by the custom house and continue to push
Starting point is 00:39:45 and drive the people off, poking and pricking them in several places. In response to the Red Coats' bayonet violence, the unarmed people defend themselves by throwing snowballs. On this, the captain commands his men to fire. As the lads continue throwing their snowballs, Captain Preston exclaims, damn you, fire! Be the consequences what it will. One soldier fires. A Boston man with a cudgel meets this aggression by hitting the soldier, knocking the rifle from his hands. The Bostonian then takes a swing at the captain's head.
Starting point is 00:40:19 Our hero mostly misses his target, only knocking off the captain's hat, but still landing a blow heavily on his own. The soldiers continue to fire. Seven, eight, some say 11 shots are discharged. As the soldiers shoot, three men die on the spot. One is Samuel Gray. The shot enters his head and rips off a large portion of his skull. Another is Crispus Attucks.
Starting point is 00:40:42 The soldier shot him twice in the chest, one goring his lungs, the other destroying his liver. James Caldwell also dies there, shot twice in the back. Samuel Maverick, a promising youth of 17 years of age, son of the widow Maverick, receives a mortal wound. As the blood of our fellow citizens runs like water through King Street, he dies the next morning. I'm going to break away from the Boston Gazette now. It only names four deaths because the fifth, Patrick Carr, has not yet died of his wounds when
Starting point is 00:41:14 this article goes to press. Now, I say this as the proud descendant of patriots, including at least one American Revolutionary War veteran. You can see how ridiculous some of this is, right? Why on earth would these soldiers take off on some sort of unprovoked orgy of violence? Did you notice how every Bostonian seems to be described as a boy or a lad? So no adults, really. This whole scene is a bunch of professional soldiers
Starting point is 00:41:39 who want to kill snowball-throwing children. It's like an early draft of Stephen King's It before he realized a clown would be scarier than soldiers. I have more analysis, but let's get to the loyalist version first, then talk about them both. Here we go with a very different round two. Anyone who's spoken with those
Starting point is 00:41:59 who have visited Boston lately know the King's troops have had a terrible time ever since they arrived in 1768. The Sons of Liberty, who form a great majority of the Bostonians, deny Parliament's authority to impose duties. They persecute their own countrymen who merely have a different opinion than them. The king's troops were only sent there to preserve public peace. And now, for acting in compliance with what they took to be their duty to the public and the crown, these soldiers sit victims of the fury of a deluded populace.
Starting point is 00:42:34 Ever since 1768, the Sons of Liberty have treated them with a degree of cruelty that could not have been justified toward prisoners of war of our greatest enemy. For two long years, the king's soldiers have been mistreated. So I do not think it can be inferred from their conduct on the 5th of March, or, as the Boston narrative calls it, the horrid massacre, that they were wrong. The king's soldiers only responded to the natural desire of defending themselves, and the sense of duty incumbent upon them in that unhappy moment to repeal force by force in order to defend a sentinel's post, then under attack by at least 100 people, armed with bludgeons, sticks, and cutlasses. The circumstances of this unfortunate affair,
Starting point is 00:43:11 and of the previous quarrel with the rope makers, which gave rise to it, seem to have been as follows. Hey, quick note, I'm going to skip the pamphlet's account of the brawl with the rope makers for the sake of time, but let me point out that, in this 23-page long account, the brawl with the rope makers for the sake of time. But let me point out that in this 23-page long account, the brawl alone makes up roughly five pages. So you can see from all of this background of two years worth of poor treatment plus the rope makers bit, this pamphlet is emphasizing long-term mistreatment of the king's soldiers. I'm now jumping to page 14 of my semi-verbatim retelling of the pamphlet.
Starting point is 00:43:49 It's Monday, the 5th of March. By three in the afternoon, some 300 people have gathered at the Liberty Tree. They're armed with sticks and clubs to beat the soldiers. As the sun sets and the night comes on, around 7 p.m., Mr. John Gillespie sees more Bostonians, maybe 40 to 50, walking the streets in groups of three to six men. They're armed with clubs. By 8 p.m., Sergeant Major William Davies sees a large number of Bostonians, some with firearms, others with cutlasses and bludgeons, have amassed in the North End. We'll do for those rascals, the officers and soldiers this night, the north end crowd exclaims.
Starting point is 00:44:27 The sergeant major notices even more people gathered in the marketplace. We'll murder the first officer or soldier we should meet. Huzzah! Huzzah! Huzzah! They cry out. Now for the bloody back rascals, some yell. Let us attack the main guard, say others, and still more propose taking on the barracks. Away to the rope walk, respond others. Suddenly, the mob divides into three divisions of roughly 100 men each, just as the bells begin to ring.
Starting point is 00:44:57 The sergeant major heads to a friend's house to change his clothes. All the while, he hears more Bostonians excitedly announcing their intention to harm soldiers. Murder. Kill all the dogs. For we will have no commissioners nor soldiers in Boston. And damn the scoundrel that first ordered them here. We will soon rid the town of them all. It's now near 9 p.m. Thomas Lockhead reports seeing a crowd that has been at the Custom House for over two hours.
Starting point is 00:45:23 And they are closing in on the single sentry on duty there. They are pelting him with snowballs and pieces of ice. Gentlemen, I beg you will let me alone and go away from my post, for if you do not, you must take the consequences. The sentry cries out. The people let up, but an hour later, Thomas Lockhead passes by the same spot. Now the people have sticks, clubs. They surround the sentry, throwing large pieces of ice and sticks at him. He retreats to the custom house doors. Finally, pushed to this point, he loads his musket, but has no intention of shooting.
Starting point is 00:46:03 The sentry only hopes his loading will scare the people off. Instead, they defiantly scream in his face, Fire! Fire! And be damned! Bravely, the sentry informs the people that if they touch him, if they attack his post, he will be bound to fire. The mob remains undeterred. No other options remaining, the sentry pounds on the custom house door for assistance. In a few minutes, Captain Preston, at the head of a dozen soldiers, arrives to help.
Starting point is 00:46:32 With bayonets fixed, they face the mob to defend the Sentinel. Mr. Richard Palms then asks Captain Preston if his men's guns are loaded. Yes, with powder and ball, answers the captain. I hope you do not intend they shall fire upon the inhabitants, replies Mr. Palms. By no means, responds the captain. I hope you do not intend they shall fire upon the inhabitants, replies Mr. Palms. By no means, responds the captain. His answer is underscored by his purposeful choice to stand in front of his men's loaded guns. The mob carries on throwing more sticks,
Starting point is 00:46:58 more balls of ice at the whole group of soldiers. Damn you, you rascals. Fire, you dare not fire. Fire and be damned! The Bostonians cry as Captain Preston warns and beseeches them to disperse. Finally, someone in the mob throws a large stick or piece of ice that hits a grenadier on the right side of the group of soldiers. That blow is so severe he staggers. Both he and the soldier next to him fire their guns without orders from their captain. Soon, the rest of the soldiers do the same.
Starting point is 00:47:29 Three men lie dead. Captain Preston springs to his feet. Damn ye rascals! What did ye fire for? He yells at his men, striking the gun of one of his men who is in the process of reloading. His men feel confounded. But they listen. No one fires again. Wow.
Starting point is 00:47:48 These two tales are supposedly based on eyewitness accounts of the same thing. Yet the Patriot version has malicious, evil soldiers attacking 30 to 40 rather innocent boys. While this version is hardly any more believable than the first, as it turns Boston into a city overrun with bloodthirsty villains out to murder the dutiful soldiers who never caved to any human failings.
Starting point is 00:48:10 Conveniently, the soldiers are the model of discipline and duty, only firing to save their own lives. It all makes for good legal justification despite the riot act. Both also put our attention on the larger political climate. Neither account seems concerned with the squabble between the wig maker apprentice, Edward Garrick, or Garrish, we aren't sure of his last name, and the lone custom house sentry, Private Hugh White, that first led to a crowd forming there. But I suppose that's fair enough.
Starting point is 00:48:39 I'd argue their ridiculous spat only fanned into what it did because of the larger issues. Okay, we need to find out how the court will rule for these redcoats. But first, some pertinent details on one of its victims, whose interpretation will evolve over the centuries. Crispus Attucks. A sailor by profession, Crispus was also the son of a Wampanoag Native American mother and an enslaved African American father. We really don't know many details beyond this, but Crispus becomes important for abolitionists and for Boston's early 19th century, pre-Civil War, African American residents. They'll point out that one of the first to die in the struggle for independence and liberty from Britain was an African American.
Starting point is 00:49:21 I'm sure you can see how that would be important in the fight to end slavery. In fact, it's interesting to see how Crispus appears in the bottom left corner of Paul Revere's engraving of the Boston Massacre, but in John Buford's 1856 depiction, you know, just a few years before the start of the Civil War, Crispus is front and center. Crispus is reimagined in the 20th and 21st century as well. Unless you're living under a rock, you are well aware that, in the United States today, we, as a nation, have had a few disagreements of late about police actions, overreach, and particularly whether race is a factor in leading to the targeting of African Americans. Regardless of how you personally feel about these issues in our present, I'm sure you can see how this question is once again reinventing the image of Crispus Attucks. After all, what is the Boston
Starting point is 00:50:09 Massacre, if not America's first confusing policing action with conflicting stories? But thankfully, when we have such run-ins today, at least we have confidence that our news outlets and elected officials are doing their absolute best to keep a level head and understand the human failings, challenges, and perspectives of all sides, instead of taking advantage of the incident to score cheap political points or up their ratings. Yeah, I'm totally kidding, but I guess at least you can take some solace in knowing journalism 250 years ago was just as ready to pander to specific readerships in order to move more papers as they are today to get more clicks. What can I say? We are the same species.
Starting point is 00:50:52 Now finally, what is the fate of our soldiers? Court proceedings play out within the year 1770. Captain Thomas Preston has his trial first, charged with ordering his men to fire. Proceedings start on October 24th and will last six days. With a belief that no one should lack legal counsel in a free country, a 34-year-old John Adams agrees to represent the captain the very day after the shooting. But the future president of the United States doesn't do this single-handedly. The captain's legal team also includes Robert Ockmoody and Joseph Quincy Jr. And fun fact, Joseph's brother serves on the prosecution. You know, if they have Sunday family dinners, those must be awkward in late 1770. In any event, with conflicting testimony
Starting point is 00:51:38 as to whether he ordered his men to fire or not, the captain's stellar reputation and legal representation win the day. He's acquitted. From November 27th to December 5th, the captain's eight men see their trial. Josiah Quincy and John Adams both stick around to serve as their lawyers too. With a parade of dozens and dozens of witnesses, they effectively demonstrate that, whatever the truth of that night, boys and men were armed and looking for a fight. Though not representative of the city of Boston at large, John is clear on this fact. The future founding father argues to the jury with a dramatic recounting that this crowd at the custom house on March 5th had indeed threatened the soldiers' lives. The people crying, kill them, kill them, knock them over, heaving snowballs, oyster shells, clubs, white birch sticks three inches and a half diameter.
Starting point is 00:52:30 Consider yourselves in this situation and then judge whether a reasonable man in the soldier's situation would not have concluded they were going to kill him. What do you suppose would have been the feelings and reasonings of any of our householders. I confess, I believe they would not have borne the one half of what the witnesses have sworn the soldiers bore till they had shot down as many as were necessary to intimidate and disperse the rest. Because the law does not oblige us to bear insults to the danger of our lives, to stand still with such a number of people around us throwing such things at us and threatening our lives until we are disabled to defend ourselves.
Starting point is 00:53:08 As such, the brilliant stout lawyer concludes, the soldiers did act in self-defense. This is where one of John's more famous quotes comes in. It's a favorite of mine. It reads, facts are stubborn things. And whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence. Most people stop there.
Starting point is 00:53:32 And it's a wonderful reminder that our emotions do not affect make. But here's what that means for the soldiers. He goes on. Nor is the law less stable than the fact. If an assault was made to endanger their lives, the law is clear. They had a right to kill in their own defense. If it was not so severe as to endanger their lives, yet if they were assaulted at all, struck and abused by blows of any sort,
Starting point is 00:53:57 by snowballs, oyster shells, cinders, clubs, or sticks of any kind, this was a provocation for which the law reduces the offense of killing down to manslaughter in consideration of those passions in our nature which cannot be eradicated. The jury deliberates for two and a half hours. In the end, these New England men agree with John. Facts are stubborn things. Despite the emotionally charged atmosphere
Starting point is 00:54:22 and questions patriots have over the constitutionality of Boston's occupation and so many other issues, the jury fully acquits six of the eight soldiers. The remaining two, Matthew Kilroy and Hugh Montgomery, are not found guilty of murder either, but are convicted of the lesser charge of manslaughter. The reason for this is that, while no one could pin down who among the soldiers shot most of the five who died, Kilroy and Montgomery were likely the ones who shot and killed Samuel Gray and Crispus Attucks, respectively. Though in truth, these two don't do so bad either. Although the penalty for manslaughter is death, it's also typical in this time to let those found guilty of this charge plead the benefit of the clergy for complete clemency, if the accused had never been convicted of manslaughter previously. Both men qualify for this clemency. They're branded on the thumbs, so it would be known they had used up their
Starting point is 00:55:15 one-time freebie, but the men are then sent off to rejoin their unit within days. But here are two other cases you might not know about. That same December, four civilians are charged with having shot at the crowd as well while hiding on the second floor of the custom house. Yeah, the case against them is thrown out quickly. Though one civilian does see conviction, a French teenage boy and servant named Charles Bourget. In March 1771, a year after the Boston Massacre, he's found guilty of perjury for having allegedly changed his story. As a result, Charles passes an hour in the stocks, receives 25 lashes, has to pay the court's costs,
Starting point is 00:55:54 and is then removed from Massachusetts. The Boston Massacre is over. As is the occupation, even if some troops are still housed nearby at Boston Harbor's island fortification, Castle William. Even the second post-Seven Years' War attempt to tax the American colonies, the Townshend Acts, has been partially repealed. But even as things cool down, they can't go back to what they were. London is all the more sure that Boston is a hotbed of rebellion. More Americans come to see British officials as
Starting point is 00:56:25 disrespecting their constitutional rights and bent on destroying liberty. Meanwhile, the city of Boston keeps the memory of the massacre alive with annual memorials. Others like Paul Revere draw up depictions of the event that continue to underscore the innocent Bostonian narrative. Whatever really happened that night, the Boston Massacre marks a significant point in the erosion of Britain's relationship with its American colonies. Nor will another tea-focused tax scheme in a few years help repair that. It will, however, result in a very unique tea party. But that's a story for next time. Thank you. Carrie Begel, Charles and Shirley Clendenin, Charlie Magis, Chloe Tripp, Christopher Merchant, Christopher Pullman, David DeFazio, David Rifkin, Denki, Durante Spencer, Donald Moore, Donna Marie Jeffcoat, Ellen Stewart, Bernie Lowe, George Sherwood, Gurwith Griffin, Henry Brunges,
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