Hits 21 - 1996 (4): Spice Girls, Peter Andre, Fugees, Deep Blue Something
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Well, hello everyone back to hit's 21, the 90s, where me, Rob, the 90s, where me, Rob,
me, Frodo and me, Ed,
are looking back at every single
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We are currently looking back.
We have returned to the year 1996 after three weeks out.
And this week we'll be covering the period between the 21st of July
and the 5th of October.
So a fairly big stride through 96.
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of the Copyright Act 1988.
It is time to press on with this week's episode.
Andy, welcome back from Down Under and then even further under.
Thank you.
Three hours on a plane further under.
How are the album charts doing through the sort of end of summer
and beginning of autumn in 96?
First of all, just want to do a shout-out to Lizzie.
Thank you so much for filling in for three weeks for a whole three episodes while I was away.
I very much enjoyed listening to those episodes.
Thank you to all three of you for waiting for me to get back.
We have four albums to talk about this week.
One of them, it's the highest-selling album of the year,
which you may remember from so long ago when our last episode was,
is Jagged Little Pill by Alanis Morissette.
That had previously had one week at number one,
but now it's back for another eight weeks
and would ultimately go 10 times platinum
and that's one of those numbers
that you can see just rising and rising forever
because that's just perennial really, isn't it?
That's knocked off the top spot by Swade with Coming Up
which went number one for one week
and went single platinum.
And the same is true single week and platinum for REM
with new adventures in high-fi.
And the last album this week, it's Cooler Shaker
with the text that I send
when I agree to do something
but I will do so with annoyance, which is K.
And that went number one for two weeks and went double platinum.
So, yeah, quite an unusual mixed bag this week.
Thank you very much for that report, Andy.
In the UK, Princess Diana and Prince Charles
finalised their divorce proceedings after 15 years of marriage,
and seven months after the Dunblane massacre,
the government announces the possession of handguns is to be made illegal in Britain.
In Spain, 35 people are killed in a bomb attack on.
Royce Airport. In football, Alan Shearer becomes the most expensive footballer in the world after
his £15 million transfer from Blackbone Rovers to Newcastle United. And in Formula 1, British driver
Damon Hill wins the World Driver's Championships, becoming only the second British winner in 20
years after Nigel Mansell. In South Africa, Nelson Mandela announces he will not be seeking
re-election as president in 1999. And in America, two people are killed and more than
100 people are injured in a bomb attack at the Olympic Games in Atlanta.
The films to hit the top of the UK box office during this period were as follows.
Twister, Independence Day, Last Man Standing and the Nutty Professor.
And in UK TV, an episode of Have I Got News for You results in a £10,000 fine after
Angus Dayton refers to Ian and Kevin Maxwell as, quote, heartless bastards, end quote.
Ed, America, Autumn 96.
How are they finding it?
Naz is continuing his trail of transcription in the album charts with It Was Written,
adding up to a whole month before passing the baton to another hip-hop legend,
beats rhymes and life, beats, shoots and leaves after a single week.
I've got a fever, I guess, and the cure is a jagged little pill.
Again, the US intake of this jagged little peal is starting to resemble binging quite fiercely,
but this three-week relapse is followed by a mohy couple of weeks with Pearl Jam's no code,
followed by a post-perge buzz of childlike optimism, as new addition, somewhat improbably,
have the top for a week with home again.
They are soon evicted again in favour of more conservative delights,
Celine Dion's Falling Into You, which has its three weeks of commercial sunshine
dampled only by a Nirvana live album.
Bloody hell, the 1996 charts in America basically just seem like the early 90s is having
some sort of antimatter explosion and time is fracturing because this is all over the goddamn
place.
The singles, which are on another piece of paper, which is right here, I have the piece of
US singles. It's totally worth the weight this. It's a week of Tony Braxton and then Macarena
for 14 weeks. Oh my God. And that's it. That's the singles. Far simpler. Well, thank you very
much for that report too. And we're going to get back over to the UK now for the first of
four songs we're going to give you this week. That's right. Three weeks off, four songs back on.
Bit of a treat for you. This is the first of them.
I want to really, really want.
Don't tell me what you want, what you really, really want.
I'll tell you what I want to want what I really, really want.
Don't tell me what you want what you want, what you really, I want to, I want to, I want to, I want to really, really want to ziggasic.
If you want my future, forget my past.
If you want to get with me, better make it fast.
Now don't go wasting, my precious time.
Get your act together, we could be just fine.
All right I really, really want.
No, tell me what you want, what you really, really want.
I want a, I want a, I want a, I want a, I want to really, really want to figure it on.
If you want to be my lover, you got to get with my friends.
Make it last forever.
Friendship never ends.
If you want to be my lover, you have got to give.
Taking it's too easy, but that's the way it is.
All right, this is wannabe by Spike.
Bice Girls. Released as the lead single from the group's debut studio album titled, Spice.
WannaB is Spice Girls' first single to be released in the UK and their first to reach number one,
and it's definitely not the last time we'll be coming to Baby, Sporty, Scary, Ginger and Posh on this podcast.
Wannaby first entered the UK charts at number three, reaching number one during its second week on the chart.
It stayed at number one for seven weeks across its seven weeks.
Atop the charts, it sold 882,000 copies beating competition from the following top ten entries, and there are a lot of them.
Crazy by Mark Morrison, Higher State of Consciousness by Wink, Macarena by Los Del Rio.
Everything Must Go by Manic Street Preachers.
Feet by Alanis Morissette.
Woman by Nenna Cherry.
Freedom by Robbie Williams.
Trash by Swade.
Good Enough by Dodgy.
The Crossroads by Bone Thugs and Harmony.
Someday by Eternal.
Peacock Suit by Paul Weller.
How Bizarre by OMC.
Why by 3T and Michael Jackson.
We've got it going on by the Backstreet Boys.
Say Aidae by Pet Shop Boys.
Better Watch Out by Anton Deck.
Spinning the Wheel by George Michael.
Virtual Insanity by Jamiroquai.
The Letter by REM, Undivided Love by Louise, Let's Make a Night to Remember by Brian
Adams, Hey Dude by Cooler Shaker, one to another by charlatans, I've got a little puppy by the
Smurfs, and me and you versus the world by space. When it was knocked off the top of the
charts, wannabe fell two places to number three. By the time it was done on the charts,
it had been inside the top 100 for 26 weeks. The song is currently officially certified
four times platinum in the UK
as of 2025.
Oh my God, the things that happen in the background there
during these seven weeks.
You have Macarena coming into the world,
Robbie Williams coming into the world as a solo artist,
a song that influences the legendary iconic act
of Blazing Squad, of course.
We mustn't forget that.
The virtual insanity video goes by, oh my God.
Most importantly of all,
I've got a little puppy.
That's off the Smurfs go pop.
I know that's actually a pop album.
Yeah.
And I just, I always amazed that I'm impressed.
Ebo the letter, which features Patty Smith, got so high on the charts.
I mean, I didn't stand a chance against one Abe.
But, yeah, I think that's a fantastic song.
But when I was a kid, I think I just would have been baffled and probably a bit bored by
Ebo the letter.
but I think it's a fantastic track.
But anyway.
Yeah.
Pretty incredible.
Yeah.
God, yeah.
Robbie Williams sneaking in.
So, Ed, wannabe, Spice Girls.
How are we feeling?
Well, I'm going to keep it brief because they do.
This is the first single we've had in quite some time, I think.
It's like sub three minutes in length.
Yeah.
And that includes the little run-up at the beginning.
There's like a false start where there's a couple of seconds with no sound.
Like, ah, gotcha.
Get you waiting.
But, yeah.
Yeah, I have a feeling that others on this episode might have a great deal to say about this.
Who do you mean?
I don't know. I don't know what I'm reviewing to.
But I have a few notes, but yeah, the first thing that came to my head is that I think, having grown up with this effectively and seen the video a trillion times, this might be the world's most brilliant multimedia advert.
And I mean that in the best possible way, because it crams into that three minutes such a lot.
It's a series of choruses, as in I don't just mean repeats of the same chorus.
I mean, there's like three different potential choruses in there with variations on a theme in between,
which actually highlight each of the characters.
And it doesn't just tell you about who these girls are and why you want to be a part of their club.
it actually they express it not only in what they say and how they sing it but even in the aesthetic of the singing like it goes into a you know a hip-hop rhyme scheme at one point and then goes back to the melody and they all sound so distinctive clustered so close together and then there's that video which is just matches it perfectly and it's just i think everyone who grew up in the 90s knows that video and you can't disconnect it from the energy of the song
and it says it all. It's like, welcome to our world. Follow us, you know, on our trail of
destruction through stuffy establishment. It's got so many signals going on. It's, as you say,
it's welcoming you into a club, but it's letting you know it's an exclusive club in its own way.
And it is a group, but it's also full of individuals, and you too could be an individual.
And yeah, I've made this sound so clinical in a way, but it's,
It's so bloody well done and it's so concise and performed with such vivacity and evidently has had so much work put into making every single corner of it engaging and memorable because the hooks, as I kind of implied, aren't just in the choruses. They're in the way parts of the verses are sung and there's little bits and interjections like there's an extra bar of almost a cappella vocals just before it goes into the second.
verse, just apropos of nothing, it's just another memorable element. I mean, this is,
this is brilliant chart pop, as in it's like pop, it's about as good as it gets. It's a sort of,
yeah, I'll leave it there. I think I've, I think I've made the most out of my very few notes,
but that's not a reflection on the quality of the song, which I think endures, not just because
it was part of a multimedia kind of zeitgeist grabbing push, but because it's, it's really
good. Andy, I know you'll have absolutely loads to say about this, so I'll give you the four,
you can go, you can go last, we'll save the best to last on it, I think. So I'll, I'll get mine
out of the way. I think in some way our 90s coverage has been waiting for this moment, like
we've been sitting in a holding pattern, waiting for the year 96, when Spice Girls hit and the late
90s begin because I think like Andy I don't know about you we know when ed's memory begins which
is obviously with sonic but for me my memory sort of begins at the point that spice girls and wannabe
enter the world I've said before that any memories I have of my childhood are sort of foggy
and they sort of amalgamate into blurry images that are more representations of my childhood as opposed
to like accurate recollections clear images only really start coming through around the time of my 12th and
13th birthdays. One of the blurry images from my single figure years is me in the backseat
in my parents car, in a car seat, asking for the Spice Girls cassette tape to be played over
and over and over again. I thought wannabe in particular was so, so exciting and it was my
favourite song until I was about 10, which was when I had to start liking football and
PlayStation games and boy things. But when I was much smaller, like three years old, sometimes we'd
get to like track four on the first album and I just want the first three songs to come back
around again and ask for them to be restarted. Obviously like a lot of us who grew up in the
90s and like I just implied, we kind of left the spice girls behind a bit in that, you know,
it was a sort of 90s thing as our taste changed and we grew up and went into the new millennium
and all this stuff. But since around 2015, 2016, when I got into my 20s, I found myself
returning to them more and more. You start looking beyond the initial excitement you had when
you were three or four years old and the magic of something like wannabe is that even looking
beyond the superficial stuff like the bright colors and the bouncy execution you know there's
so much to be excited about here even when you know it inside out like you know that i think this is
fantastic i think it's been you know something that's been written and explained a dozen times
already but the launch of the spice girls to the people involved was about launching more than a pop
group it was about you know an idea you know simon fuller and the five girls that they wanted to you know
make sure that people came across that phrase girl power before they even knew who the
Spice Girls were. And like, you know, girl power originated with Bikini Kill about five or six years
before this, but an advert for the Spice Girls that was put in a few magazines before the release
of wannabe mentioned girl power but didn't even mention the group. It was just like girl
powers on the way or girl powers around the corner, just you wait or something. And it's like
the group has an ethos before you even know who they are. And then it arrives with Jerry's
loud laugh and the sudden shout of yo is this the first instance in the 90s of a song
at least opening with yo or having the word yo put in it there can't be particularly many
that we've covered especially from a british act well i don't know about british acts i think
the first word of do the bartman is yo i think yo hey what's happening dude what's happening
yes i think that's the only one i could think of yeah so for a british act to say the word yo
Huh. And then those hard pianos and the call and response, you're immediately presented with something as confident and brash as something like salt and pepper, but with additional 70s funk and disco influences. And from there, what you're experiencing is a constant barrage of ideas and information. Matt Rowe and Richard Stannard, who wrote the song with the Spice Girls. They've said that they didn't really sit down and plan this as like a verse chorus, verse chorus thing. It was more that they kept the tape running. And the four.
girls at the time via because there was only four of them in the studio posh victoria she was on the phone
saying yeah i like that or i don't like that bit but i do like that bit that's why she's not she doesn't
have her own thing she just wasn't there on the day of recording but she came in and did some stuff
afterwards it's not linear this song but it's not conventional either and apparently matt and richard
they kind of said like look we just played the tape and then they kept yelling things and these things
that they were yelling were really catchy and we just kept as much in as we could it means you
get new things new ideas new bits new hooks from the beginning right until the very end you know
you are already having the time of your life and then mel b comes in with so here's a story for me
the first utterance of that slam your body down and wind it all around only hits after the two
minute mark and that's one of the most memorable bits of the song just the slammy body down a
The chemistry is strong throughout with all five of them.
You get new phrases to enjoy, like zigazig-a-zag-ar.
And then that soft chorus comes in and kind of cuts through a lot of the kind of rap-based chaos.
They hand the mic around like the Beastie Boys and Run DMC at their best,
and then they kind of cut through with that kind of tranquil, angelic,
just the, if you want to be my love, it's very, very good.
But I think the magic ingredient with all of this is that the spice girls both fit and don't fit together.
They're like action figures in a box.
each of them with their own outfit, their own style, their own individual flair,
but they're also a bit unkempt, like how in the video it looks like they just bumped into each other on a night out,
five individual nights out, but they've become instant besties.
You have posh in an LBD and then sporty and a vest top and trackies,
and yet you'd never question that they were in the same group.
There are lots of interesting opposing forces here,
and there's a very special pop song in the middle of it all,
and man is it nice to get this end of the Spice Girls on the show finally instead of hollow.
which was the only song of theirs
that we got to cover in the 2000s,
which everybody remembers so fondly.
But this, yeah,
this is basically as close to perfect as Pop can get.
I think this is marvelous.
Andy.
This is, like,
it's no exaggeration to say that
not just this,
but the Spice Girls in general,
is what sold me on doing the 90s
on Hid's 21 altogether.
That, like,
this is what I've been waiting for.
This is what I've been waiting for since Holla,
where I,
that was just to give us some behind the scenes,
there that I did a big, like, 10-minute monologue at the time about like the entire history
of the Spice Girls and why I felt hollow was the instant end to all. And that was completely
unplanned. I just did that off the cuff. That's not to brag, but that's for me to say
the depth of which I have connected with the Spice Girls over the years. What a big part of my
childhood they were. What a big part. They still remain of my kind of pop culture experience,
really, and how I could just talk about them forever. I feel like I connect with them and
have a sort of encyclopedic knowledge of them to a level that I don't have about many
other topics. And so I was just sort of twiddling my thumbs thinking, oh, I wish I could talk
about the spice skills again. And I actually don't know how much I've talked about them on the air.
I suspect it's probably quite a lot because I am an absolutely huge fan of them and have been
ever since this came out in 1996 when I was four. And it's like, it's very hard for me to put myself
in the shoes of people who don't have that level of nostalgia for it. Like I do kind of wish I could
put myself in the shoes of adults in the 90s who were being exposed to this, who had things
to compare it to, because for me, this is the start of music, essentially.
I know, obviously, it isn't, and I don't mean that in any kind of real sense, but, like,
this is my first memory of, other than the songs like Fairground, which mentioned in the past,
which I just sort of liked hearing them in the background, and, you know, just like the
video or whatever, this is the first time I was like, no, I actually, in a real sense, actually
do like this, and like, I want to go and have this on cassette, and I want more songs from them,
Like, I don't just want to see the song on the TV on the music channel and sing along to it.
I want more from them.
I want to know who these people are.
And that was my very first actual interest in any pop culture element at all.
This is like the absolute start for me of engaging with music, engaging with pop culture.
So they are like up on the mountaintop for me.
They really are.
And because of that, it's very daunting.
I've said this before that.
We have these songs that come along every now and again,
like, can't get you out of my head
or crazy and love to some extent
or, you know, just these songs that, like,
they're kind of scary from a podcasting perspective.
You're like, how to hell to be analyzed?
So remember that week where we had to just briefly stop off
and do jailhouse rock from the 50s?
It's like, it's quite, like, terrifying to do those justice
and think, put it into words.
Why is this song actually so iconic and so powerful?
And a lot of the times you can't really put it into words,
but I've given it a go with this.
And one of the reasons I really wish I could put myself in the shoes of an adult at the time
who doesn't have that rose-tinted lenses for it is because I do think this is close to being objective, I think.
I think this is close to being like you actually cannot deny this.
And there's no such thing as that, obviously.
But I just think this is it.
Like this is like lightning in a bottle in a genuine sense.
I think if we judge all acts
If we were to do an exercise
I've judged all musical acts
By how long does it take
When you first exposed to them
To completely get them
To know them
To completely get everything they're all about
And have received their whole mission statement
I think Spice Girls
It's like one minute of this video
That's it
You can come away from just one minute of this video
And you know who all of them are
You know exactly what their tone is
What their style is
Who their market is
And you've got that song in your head
head. That's not an easy thing to do. And I have a memory of first hearing this song to back it up
that I actually unbelievably do remember the first time I heard the Spice Girls, which I'm like really
happy about because I was only four years old. But it was my sister who had already seen the video
a few times. I hadn't quite caught it. I hadn't seen it yet. But she had seen it enough times
that she was getting excited where my mum would say, Sarah, that's my sister's name. Sarah, come down.
Spice Girls are about to come on. They're saying Spice Girls are on next. And I ran in. And I
I remember my sister doing the dance moves to the song,
and I was just absorbing it for the first time.
And then I was like, I want that again, play that again, play that again.
It just hooked me instantly, instantly.
And I think one of the reasons it gets you so instantly
is because the clarity in their message is just so strong.
The characterization is so strong.
They have very obvious differences in their voices, for starters,
which is actually quite a rare thing in girl groups.
I don't think there's many girl groups where you can,
could immediately pick out every voice.
And with the possible exception of baby and posh, because they're a little bit more vanilla
than the rest, I think every voice is extremely recognizable, and you get a sense of
personality from them straight away.
It's like the first song from a musical that introduces all the characters.
It's like, you know, that song, my shot from the beginning of Hamilton, where they just
like introduce all the characters and go, oh, my name so and so and my name so and so.
And then they move into it.
It's kind of like that.
But in a pop music sense, like you know.
that this is the start of something. Like this is, like I say, it's a mission statement. And every
one of the five, every character is so vivid. And like, it's exactly how you would describe
them a first glance with the possible exception of scary. I think the other four, that is literally
what you would say. Like, you look at them, you take one look at them and you go, oh, the posh one,
the one is kind of babyish, the sporty kind of one, the ginger one. That's like exactly
what you would say. They emphasise those aspects of them and you'd get them straight away from
Now, with Scary, I think that's less obvious, to be honest,
and I think there's maybe a little bit of, like, uncomfortable stuff to do with calling her scary.
But you would at least know what they're going for there,
but she's the loud and leery and in-your-face one.
And I just think they're all so strongly characterized,
and it comes through not just in their performance,
but in the way they behave, the way they carry themselves,
in their costumes.
I'm going to call them costumes, because they are costumes,
not outfits, really.
They are costumes that, you know, immediately jump into.
to everybody's head when they think of them.
It is really short and brisk.
It is amazing how short this is,
considering how much it packs in.
And actually, it could stand to be shorter.
Like, no problem at all.
I don't think it out to days it's welcome.
I don't want it to be any shorter.
But if it had to, it could be.
Like, you could get this down to two minutes 30
rather than the two minutes 55 that it is.
No problem.
That is sharp writing and sharp production.
And it does help the overall effect of this,
that the song is an absolute,
banga
it doesn't miss a beat at all
it packs in so much stuff
as Ed said it packs in so
so much stuff
that at the time
I can imagine people
probably would have thought
oh well
they've just blown to all their ideas
in one song there
like they've just thrown everything
in one song
that they're going to be a one hit wonder
and I think it's
to this song's credit
and actually to the credit
of the Spice Girls in general
and the teams that they had
behind them
that's something that is
so full of ideas
is this and it's so packed.
It's just the start.
That as much of this is a tothum in pop music history,
this is literally just the start.
Like, there's so much more to come
and so much better to come,
as far as I'm concerned.
But just the amount of stuff.
There's a booming piano hook,
that really low piano,
which is like the first thing
that everyone wants to learn
when they get to play piano properly
and they're a 90s kid
is they discover the low end of the piano
and they go,
oh, that sounds a bit like,
brum, brum, I think we've all been there.
The ziggasigigga,
thing at the start where like it gives them a bit of mystique I remember at the time
where like on CBBC or whatever where they like have discussions about the spice
girls and they're like what is Zigger Zigar what does that mean like they just have a
little bit of like coolness about that like that sort of impenetrable nature that just
adds a little bit of extra sheen the sing along chorus that as Rob said you know
stands in contrast to the rest of it that you get a nice easy karaoke sing along with a
really easy melody that anyone can copy the verse as well is really catchy in its own
right, like that's got a really nice soaring melody as well that you can sing along to really
easily. The rap section that everybody tries to memorize that just sits in that sweet spot
where like it's difficult enough that it will take you a few listens and it's a bit
impressive in the playground and even as adults, you know, the kind of millennial 90s
revisiting that we all do all the time where it's still like worthy of a round of applause
if someone stands up and does the whole verse rap section from wannabe without pause.
but it's not like so hard that it's really difficult it's not like it's in no sense like you know genuine authentic rap difficulty it's just like a nice little thing for you to go away and learn and the slam your body down refrain as well which like i say is like doesn't need to be in there that's like an extra hook an extra little thing to focus on that you just don't need it's just a bonus all of it packed in to those just over two and a half minutes um but what what really i think sends it over the top as something really special is that
It's just a masterclass in branding and imagery.
It's a genuine, complete package that any one of these things that I've said about it
would be worthy of getting it to a number one.
Like if it was a really, really great song, if it had really good hooks,
or if it was a rubbish song, but it had a really interesting personality behind it,
or if it had a really great video behind it,
or if it just had one element like the ziggasigar that, like, you know,
gets people interested.
All of those things on their own are enough to get something like this to number one,
to do it all together
and execute it all so perfectly
you have the complete package
delivered in one fell swoop
and I think it is a serious
contender for the best debut single
ever released
certainly for the most successful
in what it's trying to do
like if you were to take it on a relatively
objective measure of right
someone's coming onto the scene
this is what they're trying to do
I don't think any debut single
has ever done it as successfully
as wannabe does
like even the Beatles at a few false start
You know, it's amazing that this is their page one, this is the first anybody heard of them,
that there was no false start, there was no test in the ground before this other than the
hype campaign that Rob mentioned.
So, yeah, I mean, I have to acknowledge I'm completely awash in nostalgia for it to the point
that, like, you know, the film Spice World, which I'm going to shelve for now, because
I'll talk about that when we get into that era.
That's like probably the thing in the world that I'm most, that makes me feel most nostalgic
as that film, Spice World, because that's just such a big part of what the late 90s
was to me.
But I don't think it's just nostalgia.
Like I say, I think this is close to being objective that this felt like just a nuclear
bomb striking the charts at just the time, you know, with the kind of cool Britannia
wave just around the corner.
This was just the time where people were really ready for something fresh to some sort
of take the UK music scene stratospheric.
So I'd say ultimately this is a triumph, but it's not just a triumph for the Spice Girls.
I think this is a triumph for pop music.
This is a cornerstone of recent pop music history.
I say recent, it's nearly 30 years ago now,
but this is a cornerstone of pop music history
that I think we as a nation can be incredibly proud to have shouldered.
And this is a genuine stone called Classic
and one of the greatest songs that we've covered in the 90s
and one of the greatest number ones that there's ever been, probably.
All right then, so the second song up this week is this.
Party all right
Party all right
Yeah, what's the blame
Yeah
I can't bring myself to slave
So I get the keys to my deep
Well there's nothing that I ain't gonna do tonight
He's down on the number 2-1
Because I hear there's a jam that's going on
going on what I'm feeling is so good in my neighborhood
ooh there's something special about tonight and I know it's so
everybody's got their groove on I want to let it go are you here with me
I said I want to hear the party sing if you down throw your hands up in the air
match back with a flavor of the year here we go there's a party over there we go there's a party
Okay, oh, yes and a drink that I like that I like that I'm back with a flavor of the room.
Ain't got no time to bang, so I grab a drink.
I got the type that I like and I ain't gonna waste no time.
I'm back in a corner of the room.
I see the one and she makes my heart go boom.
I'm smiling and I am leaving all my friends behind.
Okay, this is Flavor by Peter Andre.
Released as the fifth single from his second studio album titled Natural.
Flavor is Peter Andre's fifth single to be released in the UK and his first to reach number one,
and it's not the last time we'll be coming to Mr. Andre on this podcast.
Flavor went straight in at number one as a brand new entry.
It stayed at number one for one week.
In its first and only week atop the charts,
It sold 129,000 copies beating competition from Ready or Not by Fugees and I'm Alive by Stretch.
When it was knocked off the top of the charts, Flavor dropped one place to number two.
By the time it was done on the charts, it had been inside the top 100 for 17 weeks.
The song is currently officially certified silver in the UK.
As of 2025, Andy, you can get us going with Andre Peter.
This isn't as good.
I think we'll just say that straight off that this isn't as good as wannabe.
I don't think that'll be a particularly controversial thing to say.
And I sometimes think about the songs that knocked off absolute classics from the top.
The people who've done that must always tell that story at dinner parties where, you know,
I was just looking back, an afro man knocked, can't get you out of my head, off number one in 2001 in the UK at least.
and you know
I think Peter Andre must be
aware of the fact that he knocked
wannabe
off the top in 1996
like that's crazy
not the worst thing imaginable
but the most forgettable thing
because like
this leans so heavily into
other stuff of this genre
that it feels like a parody
because it's that obvious
to be honest
where it's like
that refrain that runs all the way through
sounds just like
I got a little
little poet
exactly like that
and it even has
that little thing
that comes post-chorus
that goes leave your friends
and it's like it sounds like
this is how we do it
and like the references he's making
are extremely obvious
to the point where it doesn't feel like a reference
but more just like outright taking it
but all of those reference points
that I'm talking about
that seems so obvious
they seem like five years out of date
maybe not five years
but at least like two three years out of date
this feels so out of its time
and so just like
unwelcome in the 1996 charts.
Like, he's unlucky that wannabe has just happened.
So this is like, you know, whatever followed Lady Gaga
with Just Ansel Pokerface, it's like, oh, right,
you're one step behind the game, you know, just that one step.
And so I do feel a bit sorry for him in that sense.
But like, this is just so, so outdated at this point.
It can only have got to number one off the back of Mysterious Girl,
which I'm very surprised didn't get to number one in the 90s, by the way.
It can only have been off the back of that where people think,
oh he's that hunk who is in the water with his shiny pecks
and now he's got another song
so let's just buy that
and assume that does something to the world
and that's it
like this has no value
it's just like generic
bump and grind
like landfill
and it's not like absolutely
horrendous it's not unlistenable
but it's pretty rubbish
and it's just a waste of my time
so I'm not going to spend any more time on it
nah don't like this at all
oh i like it a little bit more than that actually i don't think this is too bad i think it's
definitely fluffy and like and definitely not as convincing as it wants to be with the kind of
lethario party boy stuff that peter's being asked to do definitely got a little bit of that
emanate in there too the like you said that i got a little something for you it also really
reminds me of a song that came a bit later called opera number two by vitas the russian
counter tenor, which I'm not sure is the vibe that he's going for either.
But once the new Jack Swing stuff kicks in, there's something here.
There's not much, but there is something.
I've always been taken by that strange synthesized accordion thing that rolls round in the
back, the thing that does remind me of Opera 2.
I don't think it's the vibe that he's going for, but I've always found it pretty curious
that that ends up there.
Weird intervals for this kind of song that...
That's very, very unusual.
It feels a bit sort of greasy and sleazy, doesn't it?
Yeah, and it's also a bit Eastern European folk as well.
But I think this coming off the back of songs like Return of the Mac,
it maybe exposes how not that cool Peter probably looks in retrospect.
He's incredibly attractive and buff,
and he plays the part well enough.
He doesn't have a bad voice.
He's just a bit weak vocally, and then when he says the max back with the flavour of the year,
I'm not totally buying it after Mark Morrison only came a few weeks ago.
There's not quite enough personality coming from him for me,
which I think does get exposed, I think, in the next number one that he does.
There's enough going on around him in this, I think, for him to get away with it.
We have this.
It's a half-decent party track.
Feels a bit cruel that this seems to have been forgotten so much.
though, you know, I like those backing vocals, the party on night, and you got the,
ooh, there's something special bad tonight, you know, the bridge section, I think there's
good enough bits in this, but it's pretty clear that this was a big jump for like first week
sales and then maybe the second week and then blah blah and then it doesn't achieve 400,000
sales, you know, it's, yeah, it's fine, I won't be pie-holing it or anything like that, but it's
yeah, I can kind of see why this may have slipped out of people's memory a little bit,
even if that is a bit harsh.
Ed, what do you make of flavour?
I will give you my flava beans and a nice kianti.
I can't really argue with any of that from either of you, really.
Yeah, I mean, the first note I put was, easy to forget how tenacious New Jack Swing was.
It's 1996.
And I'm like, take it out, it's like, this could have been any year from,
about
1989
and America,
I think,
was well,
well past this.
We had just
evidently
got an
aftertaste
of it.
The only thing
I can argue with
is,
Andy said it's
pretty forgettable.
I've had,
when I saw the title,
unlike so many
singles around
this time,
I immediately
remembered the track.
I think I
possibly had a bit
of a taste
for this sort of,
you know,
Brit take
on you,
Jack,
this ersatz new jack swing we had going on but
then again I mean this this until about the age of 15 was like the peak of my chart pop
engagement so it's possible that I've just heard it so many times in its entirety
that it just became part of my brain's furniture and I was bound to remember it
a bit like I remember once writing a very pissy review about sing by Travis
and I think I got annoyed because somebody said it was catchy and it's like
yes, of course it's catchy.
He sings the same word over and over and over and over again.
If someone came up to you in the street and said the word fridge 25 times for no apparent reason,
you'd fucking remember that word.
On this song, just a slight counterpoint, like, I actually don't know for sure how forgettable this is
because I don't think I've ever heard this before, before we had to listen to it for the show.
But then, that's exactly what you would say about a song that is really forgettable,
is that you might forget that you'd ever heard it before.
So I don't know, because this is, this to me, this song is like, this has passed me by completely.
Like, I may have heard it once or twice, who knows, but I have no memory of ever having heard this before.
No, and I get, I mean, the thing is, well, it's always been there in the back of my head at the same time.
I can't put myself exactly into the shoes of someone who hasn't really necessarily heard it before.
However, it's the kind of song delivered in the kind of way that I imagine if it is a song you're hearing for the first time,
It must just sound like the most middle of the road vapor imaginable.
Because, yeah, it is basically using the same tricks as Eminate,
which they in turn copied off a load of American acts.
And we've had a similar thing,
just done with far more force and conviction by Mark Morrison recently.
And that comparison really brings the drawback here.
Because, you know, Peter Andre has got a fine, he's a fine voice.
But he just doesn't have the edge and definition and.
sass that the
American acts that are kind of
being emulated or
you know filtered here have
and so it does it's better
than a lot of them I think it's better than the
MN8 track it I think
Rob because you mentioned like the backing vocals
and the stacked things it does
mean that it doesn't feel like it outstays
it's welcome necessarily at least not to me
where Eminate felt like it just
went on and on forever
this does have slightly more purpose
to it but
but yeah it's
I like it
I think it's a good example of what it is
but what it is
is slightly pallid
if that makes sense
totally yeah
that's it really
that's that's all I have to say
about flavar
all right then so the third song
up this week
is this
Ready or not, here I come, you can't hide.
Gonna find you and take it slowly.
Ready or not, here I come, you can't hide.
I'm gonna find you and make you want me.
Now that I escape, sleep, walk, awake.
Those who correlate know the world they kick.
Jail bars ain't golden gates.
Those who fake they break.
When they meet their 400-pound bait, they bakaboo in the world.
Everyone would have a gun in together, of course, when you get the up and on their hearts.
Kick-a-arm, drinking Mujan.
I pour a sip on the concrete, put a deceased, but no, don't weep.
Why clefts in the state of sleep thinking about the robbery that I did last week.
Money in the bag, banka look like a drag.
I want to play with Pelicans from here to Baghdad.
Gun blast, think fast, I think I'm hit.
My girl pinch my hips to see if I still exist
I think naught
I'll send a letter to my friends
A born again, a hool again
Don't need to be king again
Ready or not
Here I come
You can hide
Going to find you
And take it slowly
Ready or not
Here I come
You can hide
Going to find you
And then you want me
All right this is
Ready or Not by Fujis, released as the third single from their second studio album titled The Score.
Ready or Not is Fuji's third single to be released in the UK and their second to reach number one.
However, as of 2025, it is their last.
Ready or not, first entered the UK charts and number two, it stayed at number one for two weeks.
In its first week atop the charts, it sold 70.
2,000 copies, beating competition from Breakfast at Tiffany's by Deep Blue Something,
Always Breaking My Heart by Belinda Carlisle, and If It Makes You Happy by Cheryl Crow.
And in week two, it sold 75,000 copies, beating competition from escaping by Dina Carroll,
7 Days and 1 Week by BBE, The Circle by Ocean Color Scene,
Marblehead Johnson by the Blue Tones, and I Love You Always Forever by Donna Lewis.
When it was knocked off the top of the charts, ready or not, dropped one place to number two.
By the time it was done on the charts, it had been inside the top 104, 15 weeks.
The song is currently officially certified two times platinum in the UK.
As of 2025, Ed, Fugees, ready or not, how are we feeling?
Atmosphere.
Ooh, it sucks you in this one.
And again, a bit like, I mean, obviously,
not to the same
to the same
cultural degree
but this is really
wedded well in my head
to the imagery of the video
which as I say
I don't even know if that's what I've not
seen the video since the 1990s I don't
think but as I recall
it was in like a
like a nuclear submarine with really
like low lighting and the
sonar thing
getting out as a screen and it's like
it's militarising this sort of
ready or not thing.
I loved it.
It was so thick and fuggy and ominous.
And that feel goes through the whole song.
I like this much more than their debut salvo,
which was a canny pick,
you know, the cover version showing off Lauren's voice,
which they obviously thought,
well, this may be the easiest way into the international markets.
Let's sell it on the vocalist because, yeah, maybe.
If they were looking at looking at the UK market,
it in particular, they probably would be a bit hesitant about going full on into the hip-hop thing
because aside from a couple of examples, we've not been big on sending them to the top at this
point. But, pleasingly, for me, this is a track that shows a far more well-rounded view
of what the Fugees were about. And I think it shows a far more effective and focused use of
sort of its sample material. It's not a sample, but you get what I mean, the material it's drawing from,
And, yeah, it's, whereas the first track just introduced you to the melodic capabilities of the group, this introduces them as rappers.
And they're all good rappers.
As I said, this is a really very good late naughty's hip-hop track.
And I think both Wyclef and Lauren, they steal the show here.
Not that, was it Praz?
The other chap?
Yeah, Pras.
Yeah, sorry, forgive me.
his name because he had that super slow hit later on did he not yeah remember that one very clearly
as well I mean it's yeah he's no you know he's not bad either but yeah it's is um this is nice
because it shows you it's like oh no we've not just got one mode we don't just take old tracks
and sing them pleasingly in a sort of blunted out feeling environment we've got focus we've got
we've got punchy delivery and we can bring it when we need to so yeah I really like this track
It really does suck you in.
And yeah, I just think it's a really damn fine example of late 90s hip-hop.
Yeah, this is the kind of experience I was expected with killing me softly.
This is immediately smokier, duskier, muskier, darker.
Takes that Delphonic's original and turns it from something blissful into something seriously threatening, like a stalker.
That take it slowly makes it sound like she's going to kill you and make your death really fucking miserable and slow.
it's not straight horror core
but it's teetering over the edge at points
it also employs a choral sample
in the background just to have like a demonic
cultish edge like Gangsters Paradise
did and it's not the last time
this specific Enya sample from
her song Bodicea is used
on the number one hit
because Mario Wynens uses it for
I don't want to know in 2004
and I think Mario Wynens
was trying to revoke Reddy or not on that
song anyway rather than the
Enya original. I think in
battle of the verses, this might be slightly controversial, but I think Wycliffe just about
Pips, Lauren, I think, you know, they're both comfortably clear of Praz, but like, I think
Lauren and Wycliffe's verses are more focused and engaging. And honestly, if a radio edit
cut Praz's verse, I don't think you'd notice much was missing after, you know, say if you hadn't
heard it for a few years, and then like, Magic FM played it. And Magic FM always do this thing where
they cut one verse out of a song to fit as many into the hour as they possibly can, because
our attention spans
I think if they did that
I wouldn't have noticed
but the content of Wycliffe's verse
is elevated above the rest for me
because Lauren's verse is solid
I love the S rhyme scheme
that she goes with
but she manages to put two poop jokes in there
one is fine
but I don't like the idea
of Lauren putting two poop jokes in one verse
Wycliffe sounds more mysterious
like he's on the hunt
moving through shadows
so thin that his girlfriend
needs to pinch his hips
to see if he's still there
And then he does that double word play on the, if I exist, I think not.
You know, not only is he shadowy and sinewy and so much so that he's not there,
but he also sneaks in a little René Descartes reference in there too.
You know, it's okay, yeah, nice, you know, good improvement on killing me softly.
I think this is pretty solid until, actually, I would say it's great until the third verse,
which is then just pretty solid.
So it does have a couple of marks knocked off for that.
yeah, big improvement, I think, a nice improvement on killing me softly and just representation
in the UK in general at this time. Andy, ready or not?
Ready. I found myself with killing me softly having nothing to say at all, where it's just
in sort of quiet admiration of it, like in a sort of mild sense. And it's sort of the same
with this, but everything's just more so. Like, I do completely agree that this is like a more
confident version, well, not more
confident version, but definitely a more confident
advancement for them compared to
killing me softly, which was solid and
definitely was something interesting, but
this is like, oh, there's a real sense of individual
voice coming from this now.
There's a real sense of tone, a real sense
of atmosphere, as Ed says, that
you know, you just listen to and you're a bit
struck by it in a way that I perhaps
wasn't by killing me softly, where like, that's
a enjoyable song, but this, it's like,
oh, what's this? This is making me
sort of stop what I'm doing and listen and pay
attention to this and did make me want to sort of dig deeper into the Fuji's catalogue
because I'm really not particularly O'FA and this seems far more interesting to me.
I just think the sound is the killer on this, like the production on this is the star.
It really just sounds really enticing and enigmatic in a way that I think is a really good
combination with hip-hop in the 90s to be honest, that you want that sense of excitement,
that sense of adventure and innovation.
I prefer Lauren Hills verse, actually.
I think, like, the thing is because I'm such a lame into the genre,
I think I'm in that mode of just like,
oh, she's just very entertaining and very impressive,
and she just seems like something special, to be honest.
So, like, I think I'm just easily pleased,
and she probably does what for her are quite cheap points,
but whatever, like, they score it for me.
Yeah, I think there's an efficiency to this as well,
which I really quite like that.
It feels snappy, despite being, you know, it's about four minutes long, I think, but it feels very snappy.
It feels like everyone has a really brief moment in the spotlight and that the choruses are coming at you fairly thick and fast with that ready or not refrain.
And that radio not refrain is so catchy as well that it just feels like it never lingers on one thing for very longer, that it's over before it starts, which is I actually mean that as a compliment that I think this is the second song this week that's like, whoa, that whizabeth.
in a flash. That was a whole song. That's just whizzed by in about a second.
So, yeah, I have nothing but compliments for it, really.
Like, I'm not absolutely amazed by it.
But again, I'm feeling a sense of sort of quiet admiration for this.
Where I'm like, yeah, this is just a really pleasant thing to listen to.
I'm really glad it's here. It's something very different, really,
compared to most of the hip-hop songs that we've had, so far, at least.
And yeah, I think this one maybe needs a little longer to bring.
with me, but I definitely really, really like
this. Speaking of a brew,
a brew is something you might have
during the first meal
of the day, which is a funny
coincidence, isn't it?
If you really
shoehorn that coincidence into
this podcast script.
What a coincidence, yeah.
Yeah. So, yeah.
And you know what a coincidence is? It's something in common.
So, yes, let's move on to the fourth
song and final song
this week, which is this.
You'll say, we've got nothing in common, no common ground to start from, and we're falling apart.
us
our lines have come between us
still I know you just don't care
and I said
What about breakfast to Tiffany
She said I think I
Remember the film I
It's I recall
I think we both kind of lighted
And I said well that's
One thing we got
I see you
The only one who knew me
But now your eyes see through me
I guess I was wrong
So what now
It's plain to see
We're over
And I hate when things are over
With so much left
I'm done
All right, this is
Breakfast at Tiffany's by Deep Blue Something
Released as the lead single
From the band's debut studio album title, Home.
Breakfast at Tiffany's is Deep Blue Something's first single
to be released in the UK
and their first to reach number one.
However, as of 2025,
It is their last.
Breakfast at Tiffany's first entered the UK charts at number 55, reaching number one during its fifth week.
It stayed at number one for one week.
In its first and only week atop the charts, it sold 85,000 copies beating competition from.
It's All Coming Back to Me Now by Celine Dion, Lounge in by LL Cool J, and Dancing to the Night by Phil Collins.
When it was knocked off the top of the charts, Breakfast at Tiffany's,
dropped one place to number two. It originally left the charts in December
1996 but made re-entries in 2011 and 2012, pushing its total stay on the chart
to 18 weeks. The song is currently officially certified two times platinum in the
UK as of 2025. Oh, double platinum. I should say as well, obviously all of the
lyrics are about having, well, having one thing in common. It was a stupid reference at
the end of the last bit. Ed, save me. Deep Blue something. I like this mostly. Um, I think at the time
it was quite refreshing to UK ears, just by merit of the fact that it, it was deliberately and
loudly so awkward and kind of gawky in a way we weren't quite used to. That sort of nerdy,
you know, flop-sweety side of American old rock was kind of coming through. And he'd
get it with things like the bare naked ladies and stuff like that as well.
But, yeah, I would like this more if I knew what it was saying.
And I don't just mean in the terms of it sort of, you know, hesitating and using what might
be considered, you know, weedanisms.
But yeah, I like the idea of two people, you know, bonding over cultural ephemera or
uniting over it at least. But is the song supposed to be making fun of the gesture?
Is it supposed to be saying, well, it's very clear that this doesn't actually mean very much?
It's like, so that's one thing, I guess. And is that supposed to be like a punchline?
Or is it supposed to be like, you know, oh, well, you know, you say we've not got a bond,
but think back to the times that got us together. And it's like, oh, yeah. Because that
kind of doesn't come off
that way. Because it sounds a bit
like she's saying like, oh, oh yeah,
I think I remember the film.
You know, it's like,
if it was of any significance,
you wouldn't just say, oh yeah,
I think that might have happened.
It's like, yeah,
if that was your binding moment
in the memory of your relationship
and your partner said that,
I think there's cause for some deep thought there.
Some deep blue thought, you might say.
Oh, deep blue thought, indeed.
but it is a bit like
you kind of
you ended with someone
because they're shit
and you hate being in the relationship
but they
you know stop you and just say
please just hear me out
remember when we
watched
Tron Legacy
that time
and you'd be like
yeah yeah
and then they're like
well you thought that was okay
didn't you
it is very repetitive
as a song
it could do with the middle eight
not just like a quiet version of the verse without drums.
Oh, God, yes.
Yeah.
And yeah, they just basically just press the same button over and over again,
which is even more notable because the chorus is so deliberately awkward and deliberately phrased in that way.
So it does sound even more copy pasty and obvious than otherwise it would.
Nonetheless, I like the ingredients here.
This is never a song that's going to meet.
much to me, but I enjoy it for about two and a half minutes, and that's fine from time to
time. I recall we both kind of liked it. Sorry, that was bloody lame. Anyway, so one take
over here. Andy, how are we feeling on Deep Blue something? I have an incredibly specific memory
of the song, which I don't think I've ever told anyone about before, because I didn't really
remember it until I was listening to this. And I thought, God, what was that about? Which was,
this was in August 2003
when I was on a holiday in Landudno
and I would have just turned 11 at the time
and there was a live cabaret act
every night, the same singer every night on in the hotel we were in
and they did this song a couple of times
and I hadn't really knowing it before but I
decided that I just really loved it. I don't know why
but I just decided that I just adored it
and, like, it made me feel things, you know?
And I think what it was is, like, I was on the cusp of puberty.
Like, I hadn't actually hit puberty, but I was on the cusp of it.
And, like, I think there was a general sense in my head that, like, oh, I should be, like,
feeling really profound, deep things, man, about things.
But, like, I didn't have the emotional capacity to do so.
Because, like, everyone else in my life, like, my sister was a bit older than me.
And obviously, my mom and dad, like, would get emotional at certain songs and stuff.
And I just, like, decided that, like, oh, I should really, really connect to
songs sometimes, you know, that I should really, like, feel really like, oh, this
song is so meaningful.
So I used to just, like, hum this song all the time.
But I say all the time.
This only went on for about a week before, like, I was ordered to stop.
But, like, I just would kind of sing a couple of lines from the chorus of this song and
do these really pretentious things.
Like, I'd sort of sigh or shake my head as to do it.
Like, unbelievably cringe.
And, like I said, I was just sort of faking.
having a profound experience for pop music
because I'd seen other people do it.
Like, I was sort of faking, being connected to a song,
highly neurospicey a moment from my childhood there,
which I hadn't really thought about.
But I was just, oh, so cringe.
And so as I was listening to this,
that was the main thing in my head
where I was just sort of like,
oh, this reminds me of a really embarrassing moment
from my childhood.
But, like, I was immediately struck when I heard the guitar at the start.
I was like, oh, what a warm, fuzzy song.
sound. I really like this sound. But then the sound gets really closed and tight and not very
pleasant in the chorus. And there's just something wrong with that chorus. Not just the sound.
There's something up with that. I wish I could kind of get into nuts and bolts with, but I
can't quite put my finger on what it is where it's like, I don't know if the melody is a bit too
repetitive where like I just wish the kind of the notes on the stave or a bit more ranged.
Like it's just, da-do-da-da-da-da. Like you're only three.
a four notes out from each other at any one time.
I don't know if it's something to do with that,
but it just feels a bit enclosed,
a bit trapped that, like,
stops emotion from getting out of this.
I feel it's just a bit sort of claustrophobic,
and there's something wrong with that chorus
that makes it feel that way.
I don't know what it is.
I do like the idea of it,
and I like this kind of slice of knife.
Slice of knife.
I like the kind of slice of life, like idea.
I like songs that do that.
Like, I actually really quite like stuff,
like Bad Day by Daniel Poulter,
because I just like that kind of window
into a moment in that coffee pop genre.
I actually don't hate coffee pop, to be honest,
and this is a very clear example of it.
But it never really soars for me,
and certainly it's very repetitive
and goes on far too long.
I noticed that the second chorus had finished
before the halfway mark of the song,
which is always something that raises an eyebrow for me,
and I was like, oh, what else has this got up at sleeve?
I don't remember having anything else up at sleeve,
but we've still got just over two minutes,
and there's only one chorus left.
And alas.
Nope.
There's nothing.
What we have is a fourth chorus.
Like, that's just it.
We just do the chorus again.
And it's no different to the first three times they've played it.
There's no, like, big note that they hit at the end, which I feel like some sort of big, like, virtuoso note wouldn't hurt.
And the guitars are nice.
But, like, they're just sort of jangly and kind of there.
I think when the sound is right, it's lovely.
It kind of sounds like cranberries, who I'm a big fan of.
but like a lot of the time
the sound doesn't work for me
and it just feels like you're sort of wading through mud
so like this is okay
like I say I like the concept of it
and I really like quite a lot of the lyrics
and I think that it definitely
did something to me as a kid
that made me think oh this is like a proper song
I should really get into this
so there's obviously something about it
but I just think the whole thing feels
sort of not finished
like this feels like a draft that needs more work
so like it's
okay and I've kind of talked myself
out of liking it
as much as I did when I started talking
I think I feel like I like it less ever since
I've started talking to be honest like it's
it's just sort of okay and I really wish I could
kind of get behind a production desk and fix it
to be honest
yeah it does sound very fragile
you know it's
it's got the least
depth of sound I think of the songs
we've covered this episode and also
it's the only one pleasingly
that I think clearly suffers
from what's been the early to mid-90s problem
of this song has to be four and a half minutes long for some reason
how do we fill the extra two minutes
just do the same shit over and over again
I mean the other songs have not had that issue
but it's nice to see that this is the exception in that case
I know but that's okay if that prompts you to add more to the song
because like we had that with Country House
I was really surprised by like how quickly the first two choruses go by
country house but then it goes bananas um and like that is a good thing that works in that song's
favor and we've had other stuff like sleeping satellite which as much as we may not like what it does
it does decide to go for that you know ice rink trip to the hockey round in the middle you know like
it can it can prompt you to do more if you think the songs run a bit short it can prompt you to
do some creative things but all they've done here is just sort of copy and paste and done the chorus again
at the end which is very lazy but yeah yeah it's a shame they've arranged the song in such a way
that it's been designed so that DJs can talk over the last minute of it
and it won't make a difference and that is a crime.
Yeah, this is far too long.
The last chorus repeats too many times, gets very irritating.
It's from that particular blend of Americans slash Canadian rock
that produced Hootie and the Blowfish and Matchbox 20 and Goo Goo Dolls
and Bare Naked Ladies and bands who were sort of a third-rate R-EM
and a second-rate gin blossoms and I doubt Deep Blue something were even among
the better bands of that whole scene, the verses of whatever, but they paint such a strange
picture. The lead singer looks like a young Josh Hom as well. I'm always surprised when he
sings and he gets such an average vocal. I expect like some hard rock crooning and then it never
happens. But yeah, this is a curious, funny, slightly knowing thing, I think. You know, it's a song
that I think knows how silly its subject matter is, or at least it knows it's shining a light on a
silly and ultimately futile interaction between a desperate boyfriend and girlfriend.
The girlfriend has already got one for out the door.
The girl has said they have nothing in common, so it's got to end.
And in clamouring for something in his brain that might make a stay, he accidentally
stumbles across breakfast to Tiffany's and just shoots his shot.
Well, that's one thing they've got.
You know, it's got an inescapable chorus as verbose as it is.
And there are rare moments, I think, where it allows itself to be a fully fledged jangle
pop number, those post-chorus guitar sections where they just allow the guitar to just go,
do-do-do-do, bling, bling, you know, pretty, that's pretty. Sounds quite lovely. Those
moments are very fleeting, though. But yeah, it's fine. It's just like, it just needs to be a full
minute shorter. There is a nice moment around three minutes in where one of those nice little
guitar post-chorus sections comes through. Just repeat that a couple of times and fade out. Nice and
easy, nice and streamlined. I've not
managed to hear it, but there is like a
demo album of theirs that they self-released
about two years before this, and there
is a version of Breakfast that Tiffany's on
it. I just can't find it anywhere.
I'd have to buy the actual CD.
No one seems to have uploaded it to YouTube or anything,
and that version of Breakfast of Tiffany's
is five and a half fucking minutes
long. Oh, save your money. Save your money,
yeah. Yeah, the album is
called 11th song, because
the 11th song is untitled
and doesn't have, like, it's just a hidden track
and it's nine minutes.
Oh, my God.
So the album is 11 minutes long, 11 songs long and it's 54 minutes.
Oh, 90s, baby.
There is one song under three minutes and two more songs under four minutes.
So seven of the 11 songs are four minutes or over, which is insane, really insane.
Doberman Records released it
Apparently that was like
their own label
re-recorded for the band's next album
which was called Home which was their proper debut in 94
Wikipedia has it down as their second studio album
Some places have it down as their first
Because 11th song didn't really
Do anything or go anywhere
I don't think it sold any copies
And so yeah
But yeah it's fine
And they actually do you know
Funnily enough they didn't have another hit
in America, they had a song called Halo get to 102, so not quite on the billboard 100s,
but they had a follow-up in 1996 over here called Josie, which got to number 27.
So they did a decent job with that follow-up single of theirs, considering there are a one-hit
wonder, the fact that they at least have another song on the chart, fair play to him.
It seems like they have a pretty dedicated cult following.
they're still going
apparently
they don't really seem to release much music
anymore although they did put out
there was an EP
they put out in 2015 called
Locust House and it seems that they
released an album earlier this year called
Lunar Phase
but it's their first album in 24 years
and it doesn't have a Wikipedia page
released on flat iron recordings
but yeah they're still going
I imagine they have the kind of following
that they would probably be able to play between 10 and 20 dates
across the USA in smallish venues
and about 300 people
would turn up to all of them.
Look, if we just can tour the UK on the reg
every year, then these guys can.
Did you see the Spotify graphic they had,
the Spotify animation that plays over the song?
You know how the way you hit all,
basically all songs on Spotify
have some animation that plays over the screen
now when you go on?
And theirs is something I've never seen before
that was like really funny and really kind of tacky
which was that it was just like,
it's a deep blue something and then like flashing
like add them to your playlist and download
the albums.
It's just really weird
just an advert in the song.
That was really like
I feel like someone doing their PR
doesn't know how to do Spotify
and that was really strange.
Oh my God, yeah.
It's the equivalent of one of those YouTube videos
where it says, you know,
oh, watch till the end.
You know, like a bloody comedy thing
and then nothing happens at the fucking end.
That stuff is supposed to be tonal.
It's supposed to be just like
an added image.
and added a pair of teeth to the song.
It's not supposed to be an advert, and that's just really weird.
Putting any text in the background, it's very odd for those animations.
That's very strange.
I'm just looking at it here.
It's rolling round again.
It says, deep blue something, new song, out now.
New song, will you wait?
Follow an ad to playlist.
Will you wait?
Rob, you gave a big list of very evocative and very kind of accurate bands
that this is kind of in the same area as.
And there's one more that springs immediately to mind, simply because every time this song comes into my head and I'm like, I try to sing it from the beginning, I end up singing a different song instead.
And I thought that it was the follow-up by this group, because this group had a second, you know, the second single he said was called Halo.
And I'm like, oh, well, that's why.
They're basically just rehashed the same thing.
But no, what I was thinking of is the, do you remember a song called Every Morning?
by Sugar Ray
I remember Sugar Ray
but not every morning
oh what's the name
of that other
Sugar Ray hit
the big one
that they did
oh it's such a huge hit
oh no
I'm fucking I'm thinking
of fucking eagle eye cherry
yeah you see it's in the same
semi-sonic
semisonic are in the same
in the same camp as well
but no
do you remember the song
every morning
it's not the most bloody
like lame title ever
it's there
every morning there's a
halo hanging from the corner of my girlfriend's
four balls bed
I know it's not man
but I'll see if I can you
It's basically the same song as this
And then I just actually add either
And I said, what about
Or I just go into
And you ain't seen nothing yet
Uh-uh
Baby
Because you might as fucking well
But anyway
There's a lot of that stuff
Dave Matthews band were under the one as well
Who were kind of in this mould
Yes, very flannel-y
Very flannely.
Yeah, and Dave Matthews band, to be fair,
Dave Matthews band, they were not very big over here,
but they were astronomically popular in America,
the Dave Matthews band.
And I do have a bit of a soft spot for Crash Into Me as well
from the Dave Matthews band, purely because it's...
Lady Bird.
Lady Bird, yeah, so, yeah.
Again, we'll see, you know, it wasn't much of a hair over here,
but I remember it because of that film, so yeah.
But do we have anything more to say about the songs in this week's episode?
Have we seen Breakfast of Tiffany's?
Have we got that in common?
Is that one thing we've got?
I wouldn't have it in common with the singer of Deep Blue something.
I haven't seen it.
No, I haven't.
So none of us have seen it.
That's one thing we've got.
Yeah, exactly.
We can unite over that.
The podcast is still going.
It's still going to keep going, yes.
The sad thing is, it's like, it's one of those movies that up until about 10, 15 years ago,
it was regarded as a bona fide classic.
You know, Audrey Hepburn in her pomp, in a wonderful,
comedic role well written
and now it's kind of
I think it's more or less been sunk
by the yellow face
in the movie basically
unfortunately so
I don't know anything about it well
yeah
yeah
and so it's not making it any more likely
for me to want to see the film because I'll be
waiting for the scene where up
Mickey Rooney plays a character
called Mr. Unioshi
so I mentioned that's that
Mickey Rooney
like if you're going to do yellow
face, at least like try and cast someone who you can vaguely maybe present, like, as convincing
yellow face, Mickey Rooney, come on, he's the last person on earth that you'd cast in yellow face, surely.
It doesn't look like, it doesn't look like him because they've given him big fake, fake, sticky out
teeth, and they've wrapped a band around his head, so it's fine.
Oh, no, yeah.
They've done the whole crusty the clown, right? Okay.
Yes, yeah.
So, Andy, wannabe flavor, ready or not, breakfast at Tiffany's, pie hole, vault, where are we going?
Well, if you want to be my lover, then you better put wannabe in the vault.
Oh, we're going to fall out.
So, yes, wannabe is going in the vault, obviously.
Peter Andre's song this week wasn't exactly my flavour.
So that's going in the pie hole.
Ready or not?
Well, I hope it's ready to go in the vault, that is.
because that was a borderline one for me
but I thought it just struck me enough
and got me interested enough
and like well that's something interesting there
so that's going in the vault just about
and breakfast of Tiffany's
well I guess the breakfast that it's having
is like a bowl of rice Krispies
and a glass of water
like it's an uninspired breakfast
it's just staying in the middle
Ed Spice Girls Peter Andre
Fujis and Deep Blue something
how are we feeling
The imperial phase of girl groups
begins
and if this is the manifesto
I say, zigga-zig-hiel to that.
Oh, my God.
Because this is not just a zig-zig-significant ziggas-zingle,
zigg-z-gnawing the arrive of a successful act.
For my money, this is right at the peak of our 90s number one zig-zigerat.
Jesus, that took me a while.
Can I just say, I am now, seriously,
I feel like I've had just a light bulb, universe-brain moment
happen where I'm like, could you do
a musical about Nazi Germany
with the music of the Spice Girls called
Zigazig Heil? Just
Oh, my brain is
speeding here.
It's a how we
find the funding question.
Or a remix of wannabe
that does Zigazig Sputnik
is like a sort of high tie where
Mr. G does the musical
Sunamorama, which is the Asian Sunami to the music
of Bonanarama.
Oh, I can't believe I've not heard that before.
Peter Andre, Ed.
Peter Andre.
Right.
Sorry.
Okay.
Insert flavour of the month joke here.
I do like it, though,
but it doesn't have the bite to nip onto the vaulting balloon,
which is a weird expression.
The Fugis defecate on the pie hole,
rather like the mic,
with such ferocity that it launches them into the vault.
Zig Zig Zig Zig Zig Zig.
It's like that on Thunderpants.
Yes, yes, just like that.
That underrated a British gem.
And what about Breakfast at Tiffany's?
I kind of liked it, but it is a bit fucking clingy.
So it's kind of on the level, really.
But two volts, two fairly, well, one fairly solid vault and one clear surefire vault.
So yeah.
Yeah, same pretty much for me, Azad.
to be, I'm slamming that in the vault. That's going straight in. Flavor's hanging around the
middle. Ready or not, that's sneaking into the vault and breakfast at Tiffany's hanging slightly
in a more positive place in the middle. That'll be it for this week's episode. We will join you
for next week's episode. Good to be back in a regular routine. Welcome back, Andy, to the show
after three weeks in, NZ down there. We will see you next time. Bye bye now. Bye. Bye-bye.
Thank you.
