Hits 21 - 2004 (2): Busted, Peter Andre, Britney Spears

Episode Date: July 2, 2023

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Hi there everyone and welcome back to Hits 21 where me, Rob, me, Andy and me, Lizzie all look back at every single UK number one of the 21st century from January 2000 right through to the present day. If you want to get in touch with us, you can. You can find us over on Twitter. We are at Hits21UK, That is at Hits21UK. And you can email us as well. Send it on over to Hits21Podcast at gmail.com. Thank you so much for joining us again. We are currently looking back at the year 2004.
Starting point is 00:00:58 This time we'll be covering the period between the 22nd of February and the 13th of March. So only 21 days but unfortunately our schedule is dictated by the British charts of nearly 20 years ago so ain't our fault there's going to be episodes where we get through like 4 months isn't there in one
Starting point is 00:01:18 week so yeah it'll come back around last week's poll winner we thought it would be a little tighter than it was but Take Me To The Clouds Above was quite a comfortable winner in the end, Sam and Mark and Michelle both got
Starting point is 00:01:33 a decent amount of votes between them but it wasn't really enough to get anywhere close to LMC vs U2 so congratulations to those people ok, onto this week's episode. As always, we're going to give you some news headlines from around the time that the songs we're covering in this episode
Starting point is 00:01:52 were number one in the UK. In athletics, the British Olympic Association prohibits European 100m champion Dwayne Chambers from competing in the Olympic Games for life for a positive test for the designer steroid THD. However, the Court of Arbitration for Sport eventually overturned the ban and he competed in the 2012 Olympics. In football, Middlesbrough beat Bolton Wanderers 2-1 at the Millennium Stadium to win the League Cup in 2004. Cult leader Marcus Wesson is arrested in California USA after killing nine of his family members. Wesson had built his
Starting point is 00:02:32 family by marrying several of his own daughters. He was sentenced to death in 2005 but remains on death row as of 2023. And the city and county of San Francisco begins issuing marriage licenses to same-sex couples as an act of civil disobedience. Across 2004, the state of Massachusetts became the first state to legalize same-sex marriage, with California becoming the second in 2008. And by 2015, all 50 states had legalized same-sex marriage. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:03:07 We love a big gay protest. Hell yeah. Just to briefly derail the show for a second, people at home may know this already, but I'm just asking you two, does anybody know who the Middlesbrough captain was who lifted the League Cup at the Millennium Stadium in Cardiff when they beat Bolton? Was it Mark Viduka?
Starting point is 00:03:25 No, but he was around at that time. I think he may have still been at Leeds. I think he joined Millersburg shortly afterwards. Andy, any guesses? I'm going to say Pele. I have no idea. Can I have one more guess? Yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:03:42 Was it Janinho? No, but these are all really, really good guesses, but it was current England manager Gareth Southgate. Oh, of course. Yeah, well done him. The films to hit the top of the UK box office during this period were as follows. The Haunted Mansion for one week,
Starting point is 00:04:02 Along Came Polly for two weeks, and Mona Lisa Smile for one week, Along Came Polly for two weeks, and Mona Lisa Smile for one week. And Section of the City broadcasts its last ever episode. The Lord of the Rings, The Return of the King, wins 11 Oscars at the Academy Awards. In the process, it equals the record for most Oscars given to one film. I believe that's tied with Titanic and Ben-Hair, I think it is. And it breaks the record for the largest sweep
Starting point is 00:04:28 by a single film in Oscar history. Fully deserves every single Oscar possible, that film. Just not disagreeing with you, Andy, at all. I haven't seen it and don't want to. Oh, God. Awful. But I have seen this,
Starting point is 00:04:44 which is Channel 5 series Back to Reality, which was a reality TV show featuring 12 contestants from other reality shows entering a house to become, quote, Britain's next big reality star. But it received low ratings and resulted in legal action from Channel 4 and production company Endemol over its similarities to Big Brother. Does sound similar to Big Brother. Yeah, it certainly does. Album charts, Andy.
Starting point is 00:05:13 How are they doing in February and March 2004? Yeah, well, we've literally got three weeks to discuss this week, so it'll be very brief. But we do have two newbies on the chart, and we have one holdover so we carry on from where we were last week with call off the search by katie mellower most exciting album ever released um which remains at number one for the first week absolutely no sarcasm intended there i promise you um but that's replaced at the top for one week by George Michael with Patience.
Starting point is 00:05:45 I believe that's the first time on this podcast that George Michael's had a number one album, probably his first one of the noughties. Goes double platinum and remains at number one for one week and then is replaced by quite a big one, Confessions by Usher, which does surprisingly only have one week at number one ever. It never returns to number one, but it does go five times platinum. It's a big, big hit and it's in the top ten sellers for the
Starting point is 00:06:12 year. And that sees us out for this week. Yeah. Bit of ominous foreshadowing in there regarding future weeks on this podcast. Lizzie, how are these states looking? Yeah, speaking of ominous foreshadowing, after Twister spent
Starting point is 00:06:27 one week at number one with Slow Jams, Usher came roaring back in late February with Yeah, featuring Lil Jon and Ludacris. It stayed at number one for 12 weeks in the US, where it was eventually certified three times platinum. And, spoiler alert, it also got to number one
Starting point is 00:06:44 in the UK, so we'll be discussing that on our next episode so stay tuned for that i guess um over on the albums chart kenny chesney spent one week at number one with when the sun goes down it went five times platinum in the us but presumably wasn't even released in the uk as i can't seem to find any chart data for it. And finally this week, Nora Jones claimed the top spot for six weeks with Feels Like Home. It went four times platinum in the US and it also got to number one in the UK, despite the lead single, Sunrise, only getting to number 30 over here in April 2004, and Alexis Petridis of The Guardian giving it a one-star review, calling it, quote,
Starting point is 00:07:28 the sort of music that middle managers from Basingstoke put on in the background when they think they're going to get their leg over. Oh, God. Wow. That's evocative. Isn't it? It's a bit wordy for a genre name, maybe.
Starting point is 00:07:42 Yeah, what? Leg over lounge pop. Leg over lounge. I love it. Okay, thank you both very much. So, on to the music for this week. And the first song that we're going to be covering in this week's episode is this. You've always been this way since high school Flirtatious and quite loud I find your sense of humor is spiteful
Starting point is 00:08:22 It shouldn't make you proud. And I know your pretty face gets far with guys. But you make a painter. Not to hide the lies. Are you sure that you're mine? Aren't you dating other guys? Cause you're so cheap and unapplied. Okay, this is Who's David by Busted. Just the words going around. Okay, this is Who's David by Busted.
Starting point is 00:09:15 Released as the second single from the group's second studio album titled A Present for Everyone, Who's David is Busted's sixth single overall to be released in the UK and their third to reach number one. It is not the last time we'll be discussing Busted on this podcast. Who's David went straight in at number one as a brand new entry knocking Sam and Mark off the top of the charts. It stayed at number one for one week. In its first and only week atop the charts, it sold 30,000 copies beating competition from Somewhere Only We Know by Keane, which got to number three,
Starting point is 00:09:44 Give It Away by Deepest Blue, which got to number 3, Give It Away by Deepest Blue, which got to number 9, and Can't Get Enough by Ragav, which got to number 10. When it was knocked off the top of the charts, Who's David fell three places to number 4. By the time it was done on the charts, it had been inside the top 100 for 10 weeks. The song has never received any official certification from the British phonographic industry. So not a main, not really a stayer here, Andy, but what do you think?
Starting point is 00:10:13 Just interesting that wasn't that the same with You Said No, or like That Only Got Silver or something like that? Yeah, they kind of fall off pretty fast. Yeah, well, I guess it also says they've got quite lucky with their number ones a few times that in other weeks they wouldn't have made it. So, yeah. I do want it to be known that I do like this, that I'm positive overall,
Starting point is 00:10:34 but I have my problems with it. In the times that I've listened to it over the past few weeks, my opinion has probably gone slightly down. But on the other hand, the other caveat before I get started is that I have huge nostalgia for Busted, as we've said before, and, you know, they have a kind of special little place for me. This is not one of their best, in my opinion, but I do think they have quite a high bar in terms of they're generally pretty satisfying. You know generally come away or at least I do come away from Busted feeling like you've had a good few minutes with
Starting point is 00:11:09 them and this is no different I still think it's a pretty solid let's say pop rock song but this is a little bit more on the poppier side than usual it's pretty solid but I really really don't like the lyrics. And I think they fall into a little trap of their own making here because Busted are not known for their subtlety. And usually that's fine. Usually it's a good thing. It works in their favor because it means they can be no holds barred, you know, just silly, fun pop rock
Starting point is 00:11:40 where they travel a thousand years into the future and meet people with three breasts. Or they, you know, they turn up at a wedding and steal the bride and marry her you know they come up with these crazy ideas but with this one that kind of lack of subtlety and going really all in on the lyrics makes them sound really quite hateful and nasty um given what the subject matter of this is which is that they're going out with well I say they presumably one of them is going out with a girl who's seeing other men whether they're like supposed to be exclusive is never really established and that's an important point because the whole song is about kind of slut shame in a girl which doesn't feel great to be honest
Starting point is 00:12:22 you know she kind of gets called out on seeing other guys and in quite a kind of vitriolic, over-the-top way sometimes. Like, it's called you stupid lying bitch at one point. So I'm not a huge fan of that. I think it's way over the top. And I'm not necessarily on Buster's side in this argument. I feel like I want to hear her side of the argument, possibly delivered from the house of David, as they call it,
Starting point is 00:12:50 which is a bit of a weird line as well. Yeah, I do think that's a particularly clunky one where sometimes they'll make rhymes that are so cheesy that it just kind of makes you laugh unintentionally, and that one sticks in my head. I don't know why it's so funny but it just seems so silly. Go live in the house of David if you like but be sure he don't know
Starting point is 00:13:09 Peter, John or Mike. It's just silly. It's just quite sort of childish writing. So yeah, the lyrics really bring it down and I don't think they suit this kind of mood of getting really like angry, my girl has left me. No, no. they suit this kind of mood of getting really like angry. My girl has left me.
Starting point is 00:13:25 No, no. You want to kind of like commiserate with them and have a bit of fun and make light of the situation like you do in You Said No to some extent. And like you do in Sleeping With The Light On where it's kind of, you know, bigging each other up. This just kind of seems a bit bitter and a bit of a dark note to be honest so that's my main problem that I have there but it's still perfectly well constructed as a pop song. They still perform it well, I think it's still got a fairly catchy chorus. Like I say it's not their best and I do think it's a little bit of a misfire in terms of the subject and I also think there are other songs on this album that I would have released as a single instead of this because A Present For Everyone is packed, packed with
Starting point is 00:14:09 potential singles, it really is. She Wants To Be Me, Nerdy, there's all sorts of stuff that you could have put in this slot and I'm a little bit annoyed that Who's David got released instead but it's not the worst thing in the world. It's fine, it's fine but it's kind of annoying that this got number one and we didn't get to talk about sleeping with the lights on or what I go to school for, etc. There's better coming up from Busted. There's another much better one coming down the line fairly soon. Yeah, this is fine.
Starting point is 00:14:37 Lizzie, how about you? No, I don't like this. Not one bit. Returning listeners will know that I've struggled with Busted in the past but at least with something like Crash the Wedding I've been able to pick out some nice touches
Starting point is 00:14:52 which have been able to distract me from how much I don't like this band and with this you've got the same musical formula as we've had before, it's pretty predictable stuff. It's not terrible, but it's not great either.
Starting point is 00:15:08 Lyrically, though, it is uncomfortably nasty, alongside the usual themes of busted always winning or busted never being in the wrong. So here they are, like, grandstanding about a girl who can do better than any of these unwashed scrotes. Wow, that's a bit unfair. I'm sure they've had a shower, Lizzie. Is it, though?
Starting point is 00:15:32 I mean, like 20 years ago, I'm talking. I'm sure they're fine now, but yeah. Moshers. Sweaty moshers, Lizzie. Call them sweaty moshers. Don't sugarcoat it. They are sweaty moshers. I've seencoat it. They are sweaty moshers. I've seen pictures of them from 2004.
Starting point is 00:15:47 They look like they stink. I wouldn't eat a sandwich made by any of them. But yeah, like, who the fuck are these lads to call her a bitch and a whore on the uncut version of Charming? Like, telling her that her makeup can't hide her lies. Like, what are you, Peter sasted fuck off like and and yeah i agree uh with you andy like the house of david like yeah all right yoda like sure you couldn't think of a better one but like i don't know whether busted like it or not they are a band at this point who are marketed at kids and undoubtedly some kids would listen to this and take this sort of casual misogyny
Starting point is 00:16:31 as confirmation of their misplaced feelings about women. As much as I'm... Like, I'm not trying to accuse Busted of fueling a generation of young men who see women as worthy of nothing but contempt, but you have to call this stuff out where you find it, otherwise it just goes unchecked. And like, I've checked out some of Busted's 2019 tour, and it seems like they've stopped including this on their set lists, which is probably for the best, as it's not a great look on
Starting point is 00:17:02 three blokes who are pushing 40 40 and two of whom are married with kids in short yeah it's it's not worthy of my time i don't like this at all nice fair enough yeah i i agree with what you're saying lizzie about how it's a bit uncomfortable and you know it's it's not well articulated enough I think what it is for me is that like it's just about how they feel and it's never like justified why they feel that way it's never kind of given
Starting point is 00:17:33 a kind of point of view of why we should be on Busted Side with this like I say I do think it's an important distinction of like are you like a settled down living boyfriend and girlfriend and she's gone and cheated with five guys behind your back or were you just dating and she was dating other people as well because one of those is much much worse than the other and like there's no kind of framework given to that and the other
Starting point is 00:17:56 line that really sticks out is um i've got proof because the word's going around so obviously no law degree is unbusted like just hearsay is not proof just because you heard it that's not proof yeah genuinely like who hurt you why have you got such trust issues like if this is the way you are in relationships is it any wonder that she slept around well do we know for sure that she did because the only proof we've got is hearing it in the street apparently yeah these fucking unreliable sources like I don't trust you as it is let alone
Starting point is 00:18:32 in this case and like yeah there comes a point where you've just got to say I know you want to make her feel how much this pain hurts but you've got to walk away now it's over yeah more foreshadowing from Lizzie this time
Starting point is 00:18:47 but for all we know he asked her if she slept with David and she said no and David was watching and laughing anyway go on Rob, what do you think of this?
Starting point is 00:19:04 to get it out of the way like all busted songs apart from what i go to school for and you know like a few others but like they're big singles the mixing on this is just like 100 balls just like it doesn't have the it just it just sounds so fake and kind of plasticky and you can feel towards the end when the strings come in that they're kind of going for this like massive you know like fist pumping like anthemic like god pouring my heart out kind of thing and the drums are just in the back like you know fisher price my first keyboard sort of preset thing um but so with this on, I prefer it to You Said No, just in terms of the ones that we've covered,
Starting point is 00:19:48 but I don't like it anywhere near as much as Crash the Wedding. It's probably their most mature arrangement. I think it shows a lot of restraint, like, at the beginning anyway. You know, there are loads of palm-muted bar chords and just little guitar lines and stuff that kind of fade in and out of view, and the way that each of the lads kind of rise from, like, more hushed tones in their verses, especially at the beginning, to try and, and then to try and give it as much as they can in the choruses, but then they fade
Starting point is 00:20:19 back down to more conversational, whispered tones towards the end again and I think that addition of strings as much as I feel like it's a tad over the top I think you know it creates a sense of angst and heart-clenching melodrama you know they're sort of in search of on this you know whether they find it I'm not even sure I don't want to say that it's immaterial because that's not necessarily true but you can see that they're looking for it. And you can see this little sense that like they are maturing slightly as musical songwriters,
Starting point is 00:20:52 which is then contrasted against the very immature content of the lyrics, which you two have both picked up on. I, it's strange because you two have kind of covered on, I, it's strange, because you two have kind of covered what I was going to say, but from a slightly different perspective, which is that I sort of,
Starting point is 00:21:13 and you'll have to bear with me on this, I sort of like the lyrics because they're so pathetic. Like, that kiss-off line at the end, you can't hurt me now, I'm over you, it's like, mate, really? Like, I don't believe you at all. Like, you can't hurt me now, I'm over you, is like, mate, really? I don't believe you at all. You can't hurt me now, I'm over you.
Starting point is 00:21:31 Ooh, whoa, I don't like you. Yeah, pull the other one. And then I've got proof because the word's going around. Like you said, it's like, is this all the evidence you have of the points that you're trying to make? Like, there's people whispering about it and you may have seen something on a phone or because that's the only real evidence they've got which is text messages between people but again like you two
Starting point is 00:21:55 were saying it's never established whether these two are an exclusive couple and she's cheated on him or if it's just you know they're kind of going steady but she's exploring her options and i find it so strange as well that like charlie's lyrics in the beginning it just sounds like if they're all singing about the same girl and they're supposed to be three parts of the same brain it just sounds like the protagonist of this song hates the person that is so wounded about and then so that makes me think like is is that the point like it's true it is the joke being had on busted the whole time you know all the vile and mean-spirited things that they say in this song are they actually meant to push the listener towards the conclusion that busted have kind of been broken up with and it's all just like a fantasy
Starting point is 00:22:43 and they're just kind of venting and like we all know that what they're saying is complete nonsense um i go back and forth you know like on whether this is just like a thing they've concocted and you know that the whole point is that like we're sat here listening to this going oh mate rather than like oh mate yeah i'm so sorry it's you know, I feel like I can never decide whether there's like a wink to this song, where it's sort of like, yeah, we're saying all this stuff, but like, they're, you know, the characters we're playing in the song are idiots, as opposed to the character that we're playing in this song is in the right, I can never decide, and I can never, maybe I'm giving them too much credit by saying that I can't decide, because if it's not the case, that they're just kind of
Starting point is 00:23:32 playing characters in this song, and that, like, what they're writing is, what they're writing is sincere, then it really is just, like, as I said, it is pretty pathetic. And it's just by the end, it does feel a bit like they've kind of like cranked up the Westlife volume a bit with this. Just like, you know, with the strings and like, you know, if they were going to do a key change, I wouldn't be surprised in a song like this because it feels like the kind of song that would have one. But yeah, I think that this is mostly enjoyable. I do think that despite their lyrical shortcomings, they do have in this song a much better grasp of dynamics than they did with stuff like You Said No, where you go from the quiet to the loud, and then the sudden, love to hide the lies you know the sudden kind of like explosion into the song after about sort of 35 40 seconds and they still make core they still make
Starting point is 00:24:33 writing choruses sound so like so simple in a way that third run through of the melody um but yeah it's i think listening to this is kind of like a vision of where busted might have gone in terms of a more kind of restrained arrangement which has you know explores volume and dynamics in a way that their earliest stuff doesn't really uh you know like if they'd stayed together and not split up like six months after this or whenever it was like i also think that the next song kind of hints towards like you know maturing slightly and then the songs that james wrote for a couple of the songs that james wrote for son of d, I think would have made really good busted singles too. But yeah, this is fine.
Starting point is 00:25:30 I feel like I find myself really agreeing with Lizzy, but then there's the part of my brain that is just sort of like, but is it totally sincere? And I can never quite work out because there's so much doubt over the truth of this song that I feel like I can't settle on any particular conclusion, if you know what I mean. Even if it's not, they're just not likeable enough for me to pull, for them to pull it off.
Starting point is 00:26:02 Yeah, no, yeah, totally agree. And I think that my, shall i say i wouldn't say forgiveness exactly but my will to kind of not hear them out exactly but it comes from i guess like andy a place of being them being my favorite band when i was nine sort of thing i i feel like that's the only real reason i can come up with because i don't think there's an objective way to really uh decide that there's no real objective way to describe whether they you know whether their characters in this song whether they work as necessarily likable people whose intentions you want to protect and whose heart you want to kind of wrap your arm around and go oh don't don't be upset, you know, sort of thing.
Starting point is 00:26:47 Because the kind of feeling I get is just sort of like, oh, I sort of remember being 15 as well. Like patronising, like, yeah, lads, you know. But that's all. Yeah, I mean, in real life, they all seem fine. But in the songs, they all just seem sort of insecure and humorless i don't like it about them it's really discomforting i'm ready for their replacement now we've not got long to go yeah it's it's a really interesting thing that you mentioned
Starting point is 00:27:18 westlife there up because i was just thinking about how you know this whole coming at the subject from a really kind of possibly deliberately immature and raw kind of way. And then I was thinking, well, what's the song actually about? And it's a fairly, like, general topic for a song. And you mentioned Westlife, and I just that moment thought about Fool Again by Westlife. That is sort of about the same thing.
Starting point is 00:27:42 It's like, oh, I thought we were going steady, but then you cheated on me and pulled the wool over my eyes and that's upset me and Westlife do it in this extremely gloopy you know I'm so sad kind of way and even have a key change at the end whereas Busted go really
Starting point is 00:27:57 kind of angry teenager and that just kind of opens my eyes really to like the song is one thing but the brand is another and the brand turns it into whatever it is and I think Busted you know we're really really good at you know where you are with them you know what you're getting from them and I think this is quite a good example of that but it just doesn't always work like if you follow the same formula every time it won't always work for every template so yeah right okay on to the next and the second song up this week is this I stop and stare at you walking on the shore.
Starting point is 00:28:47 I try to concentrate. My mind wants to explore. The tropical set of you takes me up above. Girl, when I look at you, oh, I fall in love. No doubt you look so fine. Girl, I fall in love. So just let me be with the woman that I love Oh, mysterious girl I wanna get close to you Oh, mysterious girl
Starting point is 00:29:44 Move your body close to mine Close to mine Girl, you and me are a desire Are you alone? I set this whole party for you, let me tell them Girl, you and me are a desire Are you alone? Watch this Okay, this is Mysterious Girl by Peter Andre. Released as the lead single from his fourth studio album,
Starting point is 00:30:10 titled The Long Road Back, Mysterious Girl is Peter Andre's 11th single overall to be released in the UK and his third to reach number one. It's also his last. The song is a re-release of Peter's 1995 single, which reached number 2. Mysterious Girl went straight in at number 1 as a brand new entry knocking Busted off the top of the charts. It stayed at number 1 for one week. In its first and only week atop the charts
Starting point is 00:30:37 it sold 108,000 copies beating Competition from New by Jamelia which got to number 2, Obvious by Westlife which got to number 3, Love You Like Mad by VS which got to number 7, Another Day by Lamar which got to number 9 and If I Can't by 50 Cent and G-Unit which got to number 10. When it was knocked off the top of the charts, Mysterious Girl fell two places to number 3. By the time it was done on the charts, it had been inside the top 100 the charts, Mysterious Girl fell two places to number three. By the time it was done on the charts, it had been inside the top 100 for 14 weeks. However, combined with its chart history from 1995, the song has racked up a total of 33 weeks in the UK top 100. The song was originally certified platinum in the UK in 1996 anyway, so before it actually went to number one so lizzy mysterious girl peter andre
Starting point is 00:31:27 well yeah as far as pop reggae goes this is just about passable like peter andre's got a nice enough voice the chorus is an inescapable earworm and i don't think we're ever going to get to talk about another number one single that mentions Elizabeth Taylor perfume specifically but yeah the production here is the big problem like it is impossibly sterile even by 90s standards like I have a feeling that reggae in general is going to be very underrepresented on this podcast and this kind of homogenized 90s version of it sits alongside stuff like ace of bass and late period ub40 as the sort of thing that's probably best left in the mid 90s it sounds closer to the qi theme tune than it does to even bob marley's songs but still we've had much worse on this podcast and this might have been among the elite tier of like
Starting point is 00:32:35 sunny 90s one hit wonders if not for peter andre having two other number ones that weren't this song sadly neither of those songs were insania the pre-black mirror digital dystopian epic that he wrote while he was in the i'm a celebrity jungle and which was released as his big comeback single after this one do you remember that one This is Insania. Oh, some world-class lyrics on that. Like, step aside, busted. Like, take a look around at what technology has found. Is it what we need, or are we killing the seed?
Starting point is 00:33:19 The seed? Dictated by the screen. No more following your dreams. The world's become a difficult place to be. Yeah, you could say that again. Cloning will diverse. Aging will reverse. Insanity is slowly creeping into our lives.
Starting point is 00:33:37 Yeah. Where is yesterday? Because people ain't the same. Have we lost the faith? Or have we lost our minds? This sounds like something from The Wall. This sounds like something from The Wall rather than a breezy little comeback pop single.
Starting point is 00:33:54 I know, I would take this far more seriously if it wasn't coming from a fucking reality TV show contestant who eats kangaroo testicles for money. Like, come on. Are you serious or are you serious i'm just so struck by those lyrics basically belong into a song that if the music video doesn't have an image of peter andre driving a convertible with the roof down along by the sea
Starting point is 00:34:19 with the wind blowing through his hair then i would would be shocked. You know, so, yeah. Yeah. Okay. Oh, okay. So he had some thoughts on his mind. So fair play to him for having those thoughts on his mind, I suppose. I don't entirely disagree with him either,
Starting point is 00:34:35 but wow, what a strange way to package them. Just a really quick question to you both. Did you know that Peter Andre had two other number ones? No. No, I didn't have a clue. I didn't either. I was convinced this was a one-Bow. Did you know that Peter Andre had two other number ones? No. No, I didn't have a clue. I didn't either. I was convinced this was a one-hit wonder. What were they, those number ones?
Starting point is 00:34:52 So, they were both in 1996. It was Flavor and I Feel You. No. That was one for Popmaster, I think. I could probably remember Flavor if it was played, but... I know he's not the one I thought it was.
Starting point is 00:35:09 I know he did a cover of Kiss the Girl from The Little Mermaid. He did, yes. He did. I remember that. That's all, really, yeah. See, this is the thing with Mysterious Girl, Lizzie, that you were sort of saying this week, which is that it is sort of like the perfect one-hit wonder song
Starting point is 00:35:24 that's ruined by the fact that he had two further big hits. I know! I feel like if Peter Andre just appeared with Mysterious Girl and then disappeared again, he'd be like, oh, remember that? You know, that sort of thing, and then maybe there's a bit of a re-release after going on I'm a Celeb, but
Starting point is 00:35:39 he had, like, a pretty decent pop career for, like, a year. Exactly! If this was just the one hit, and you could put this alongside something He had a pretty decent pop career for a year. Exactly. If this was just the one hit and you could put this alongside something like Summer Girls by LFO and Steal My Sunshine by Len or even The Macarena, there's all these just 90s sunny one-offs
Starting point is 00:36:01 and yet, here he is having other hits. How dare he uh andy what about you are you any more convinced well no i mean i don't really know what angle to come at this from like why are we talking about mysterious girl it's 2004 it's just it's so out of place because it's not the first time we've covered songs from like other eras that have come back at number one we've had are you ready for love and we've had my sweet lord but they're both i mean for one they're really good and also they're kind of timeless that they just you know they're not particularly indicative of their era whereas this it's like yeah this is mid
Starting point is 00:36:41 90s to the absolute pin like it really is and it's it's like let's be this is mid-90s to the absolute pin. Like, it really is. And it's like, let's be honest, it's not the song that's got back to number one here. It's Peter Andre because of I'm a Celebrity. Like, it's him as a person who's back in the media spotlight again. And I don't know whether you want to talk a bit more about that. Like, why did he take off so much? Like, why him out of all the contestants on that year's I'm a Celebrity?
Starting point is 00:37:07 Like, Kerry Katona didn't get a big comeback single. Is it the Katie and Peter thing? Yes, it is. Exactly. It's that Katie Price by this point was already kind of a household name. And so I think that them having a very public relationship kind of accelerated that. But I think, I mean, these days, like, we'd all kind of know the name Peter Andre. Like, we may not, like, love him and he may not be an A-lister,
Starting point is 00:37:33 but we all know the name Peter Andre. I'm not fully convinced that was the case in 2003 when he went on I'm a Celebrity. I think he was, like, okay, he was known, but I think he was a little bit of a Zedlister then. And, you know, a bit of a random booking for Amber Celebrity, to be honest. Like, I don't think anybody knew him for anything other than Mysterious Girl. Whereas he's had all the long, long series of ITV2 documentaries and all the things that happened with him and Katie Price. And all of that that's
Starting point is 00:38:05 happened since you know he's got more of a media career now but I think in retrospect it was such a random thing for Peter Andre to pop up on the landscape as like the coolest biggest star of early 2004 like you just would not expect it at all I always wondered if there was like an ironic element to that that people would just kind of like wouldn't it be funny if just Peter Andre made a huge comeback but he seems to have been genuinely popular and that's fine that's fine I just don't get it I mean the song is like it's alright
Starting point is 00:38:34 I think it's like really bland it doesn't go anywhere at all it's got like that little breakdown with the make me heart go boom bit in a bit that me and my sister always used to sing along to but it doesn't go anywhere at all. Like I would not sit through the whole thing if I didn't have to so thanks for that. But yeah it's fine like I don't hate it. I actually
Starting point is 00:38:59 remember a comment from Doctor Who in which Peter Capaldi's doctor says that the TARDIS radio once got stuck on this song and he says he begged for the sweet release of death um and it's it's actually not as bad as that it's just fine like it's it's just kind of summer beach you know cocktail in your hand and stereo in the background playing this kind of music why on earth it's back at number one is just it really sticks out like a sore thumb um it's not the worst song we've ever covered on the show but it's one of the most irrelevant and one of the most out of place that i think we've ever covered um but i don't want to be too harsh on it because like if we covered this in a imaginary
Starting point is 00:39:41 90s hits 21 podcast like it would just be another any other song really but the fact that it's so obviously 90s and we've moved so far on from this sort of thing means that when this comes up i'm just dismissive of it and like oh whatever mysterious girl it's not that bad but um it's not that good either so um yeah it's it's a kind of halfway between a thumbs up thumbs down for me i don't really know what to say about it yeah i think this probably did so well obviously because it was re-released after he was in the jungle but i think like i mean carrie katona kind of moved immediately into tv after i'm a celeb i think she walked away from music and just went straight to tv but i think people did just believe in and really caught on
Starting point is 00:40:26 to the love story between uh katie price and peter andre and i think it was just that simple that they were like lovebirds who fell in love on tv and we all got to watch it and we all got to like i guess play a part in like the early days of their relationship and stuff and i found it quite interesting though that the the first three documentaries that they did about themselves in 2004 2005 and then again in 2005 um they're all called so the first one is when jordan met peter and then the second one is jordan and peter laid bare and then there's jordan and peter marriage and mayhem but then in 2007 it's katie and peter the next chapter katie and peter the baby diaries katie and peter unleashed katie and peter down under katie and peter african adventures Down Under, Katie and Peter African Adventures, Katie and Peter Stateside
Starting point is 00:41:25 and then Peter Andre Going It Alone so like you can kind of The Dora the Explorer? Yeah you can sort of track their career in front of the camera from I'm a Celeb through to Peter Andre Going It Alone and Peter Andre
Starting point is 00:41:42 The Next Chapter I mean I'm almost tempted to watch because what is there to fill those documentaries with we're talking about probably about 100 hours of television there what did they have to fill that time with? And even then
Starting point is 00:41:57 I think it's barely about Peter Andre I think it's more about like Casey Price rebranding as going from page 3 model to I guess you'd call it a month fluencer these days. Yeah. Or like, I guess you'd just call them TV personalities or something or reality personalities or something. Yeah. I mean, to be honest, Peter Andre personally, just because this is the only time I think that we're going to get to discuss him and also discuss Katie Price and stuff.
Starting point is 00:42:29 I don't necessarily have much affection for Peter Andre. He was from a time before I paid attention to pop music and all of the stuff with Katie Price. It just kind of went over my head. It wasn't what I was interested in as a teenager. And then by the time I was probably old enough to be invested, they divorced and that was it. But I do have a lot of time for him just because of,
Starting point is 00:42:57 I think it comes from obviously Katie Price's relationship with Dwight York and Harvey. Katie Price's relationship with Dwight York and Harvey and the fact that Peter Andre could have very easily seen everything that had kind of happened with Katie Price and just taken the easy option
Starting point is 00:43:15 which was just like I'll keep my fame but I don't want all of this and he took to Harvey and he took to Katie and the whole situation just like i mean i'm sure he had lots of challenges away from the camera and in front of the camera which i'm sure that marriage and mayhem will no doubt explain if i ever sit down and watch that but i just think that like he took it all on and yeah okay he had a lot of money to do it and that sort
Starting point is 00:43:42 of thing but he did he took it all on and i think that the time that katie was with him was probably the steadiest that she's ever been and i i feel so sad sometimes when because i work for metro and stories about katie price come down the line and i often think to myself like what are we getting out of talking about Katie Price anymore? Like, what is there to get out of, just let her go away. Just let her rest and have a normal life. And, you know, like, look after Harvey and look after herself and get herself steady again. Because there isn't much going on with Katie Price anymore in terms of, like, you know, seeking out deals and sponsorships and things like that. It just feels like she's trying to settle by herself and has had a lot of trouble with that.
Starting point is 00:44:31 Um, and I'm, I wish there would be some kind of moratorium declared on like just discussing Katie Price and like the chaos of apparently of her life, which is just like, you know, you know, it's been very difficult for her and Harvey together, and, yeah, okay, we could have conversations about that in the mid-2000s, she was happy to have her child under the age of 16, and also suffering with,
Starting point is 00:45:00 like, severe difficulties in front of a camera all the time but like just for like a few years though it seemed like peter and katie were good for each other i think um and obviously you know i mean they as far as i'm aware they're still kind of friendly like i had to write about peter andre buying his son a car and so you do a little bit of research and you find out that like oh they share custody and they do this and they still see each other because they have to hand the kids over and the kids are old enough to drive now and things like this and they get all like oh well you know we have a history but it's all in the past now we're grown-ups etc etc um but yeah i just i don't really have any kind of personal affection for peter andre but i've always kind of admired him in a way for taking
Starting point is 00:45:43 on a situation that i know i would find difficult if i was in his shoes um and i'm not saying he didn't find it difficult either but you know he committed to it i think and he committed to katie and they committed to each other for as long as they could and considering that their lives were lived in front of a camera i think that for them to make it for as long as they did. Considering the way they got together as well, it wasn't like a private thing. It was like we all saw it. I always think their relationship lasted as long as it did.
Starting point is 00:46:12 It was sort of like a hopeful thing in the kind of miserable maze of reality TV. And they sort of managed to sort of make their own little bubble for a while and do okay out of it um but anyway i'm disappearing uh off on a tangent no no it's a really good point it feels like one of the last
Starting point is 00:46:33 feel-good stories from reality tv before it does descend into full-on nastiness for the rest of the decade. Yeah. Yeah. So, having said all of that, Mysterious Girl, it feels like you, Andy, you were saying, it feels kind of slightly anachronistic because it's just so mid-90s, like all the tropical flavours and blue waters
Starting point is 00:46:58 and yellow sandy beaches and the wet look hair gel and open-buttoned Hawaiian shirts exposing oiled hairless male chest and all of this thing, you know, the stuff that Take That were going for in the Prey video and, you know, that sort of thing. Because I don't know about you two, but like, whenever I think of the 90s in my head, in terms of like the pop culture stuff that has survived from the era, pop culture stuff that has survived from the era it's always sunny like the sun is always shining in the 90s whenever i think of it oh yeah yeah in my head i don't know i mean obviously that's
Starting point is 00:47:34 not completely right it's because obviously it definitely rained in the 90s i'm sure we'd heard about it if it hadn't but whenever i think about the big things that have survived from pop culture, it's all about, like, going to Ibiza or, you know, that, you know, sun and sun cream and everything's yellow and pink. And oh, isn't it great? Because whenever I think about the 90s, I always think that if you could turn the entire pop culture archive of the British 90s into a single day, so you would wake up and Wake Up Boo would be on the radio. And then you would brush your teeth, go downstairs, make up some breakfast. I realize I've just triggered myself and I may have triggered some people who like to eat breakfast before they brush their teeth. Because I like to eat breakfast before I brush my teeth. because I like to eat breakfast before I brush my teeth,
Starting point is 00:48:26 because if I brush my teeth and eat breakfast, it tastes horrible. Yeah, exactly. But, you know, moving on. But then you would go downstairs, turn on the telly. It's the big breakfast, and it's always sunny on the big breakfast. And then you realize, oh, England are playing Scotland this afternoon at Euro 96, and Gazza's going to score that great goal in the sunshine
Starting point is 00:48:48 with his blaring red face and bleach blonde hair. And then later I've got to catch a flight to Ibiza to have a nice dance as the sun goes down. You know, like, Mysterious Girl fits into that whole thing in my mind, that whole space. You know, the kind of sun-kissed like venga boys barbie girl bubblegum world where everything's orange and it's the sea is always blue and there's always a mojito being handed to you if you you know like at the end of that episode of the simpsons where
Starting point is 00:49:17 it's like oh it's a party marge you know and then homer just gets given a lay and then a uh like a coconut with a straw in it and stuff like that but it's 2004 you know like there's a war on it started raining again the criminal justice bill has passed cool britannia was it turns out a bad pill and the hangover hurts we've just had the wettest year on record and like to get any sense of british sunshine we send our celebs to the other side of the planet to watch them eat bugs on tv and out of it comes this you know mysterious girl the romance between peter andre and katie price a reminder of a world that's less than a decade away but somehow feels a lot further and mysterious girl was this light airy dull pastiche when it was originally released, you know,
Starting point is 00:50:06 the thing kind of reminds me of his sweat, you know, by Inner Circle. The... And a bunch of other kind of cod, pop reggae stuff. Like you were mentioning, Lizzie, like UB40. Well, they're covers anyway. Yeah, how bizarre. Yeah, rather than their late 70s period, which I quite enjoy.
Starting point is 00:50:28 But, um, and it also kind of reminds me of a song that comes a couple of years after this. Do you remember Paris Hilton's brief attempt to become a pop star? Stars are blind. Yeah, certainly do. Where again, it's this kind of like, everything's
Starting point is 00:50:44 sun-kissed beaches and beautiful um and this is an attempt like the re-release of mysterious girl is an attempt to recapture a pastiche and like i'm not really sure what point we're at now in the scale of you know like at what point along the timeline we are when you're trying to recapture a pastiche like it's not bad it's just kind of oh you're doing your thing aren't you and like i yeah i've not looked forward to doing this one really not terrible but just nothing really just a proper moment in time and a moment in time that was already kind of out of date at the point we were having the moment in time yeah it's fine um fair play to peter andre for like taking on a lot of stuff in his personal life and you know for
Starting point is 00:51:32 keeping you know and katie and peter kind of supporting each other and stuff but if like if this is the sum total that we get out of it plus insania then um you know it was a temporary venture then it was a temporary venture and fair play we did also have their album A Whole New World yes and the performance on what was it Royal Variety Show or something
Starting point is 00:51:54 yeah and then Katie Price entered Eurovision as well she tried to she went to the kind of public vote thing to decide our Eurovision entrance. I think it was the year that Javine got it. Yeah, I think it was. But yeah, just, Rob,
Starting point is 00:52:09 I kind of want to follow up on something you said about how, even though this is only nine years old in 2004, it seems impossibly dated. Whereas, if something like Shake It Off by Taylor Swift came out again now, I don't think you'd bat an eyelid.
Starting point is 00:52:26 No, not particularly. Yeah, God, was that nine years ago? Something like that. Shake It Off, Jesus. Oh, my God. That's crazy, isn't it? Yeah. Third up and last up this week is this. We're warning. It's dangerous. I'm falling.
Starting point is 00:53:09 There's no escape. I can't wait. I need a hit. Baby, give me it. You're dangerous. I'm loving it. Too high. Can't come down. Losing my head to the ground and run
Starting point is 00:53:28 To you With a taste of the lips I wanna ride Your toxic guts slip in my veins With a taste of a poison paradise I'm addicted to you Don't you know that you're toxic And I love what you do
Starting point is 00:53:56 Don't you know that you're toxic Okay, this is Toxic by Britney Spears, released as the second single from her fourth studio album titled In The Zone. Toxic is Britney Spears' 16th single overall to be released in the UK and her fourth to reach number one, and it's not the last time we'll be discussing her on this podcast either. Toxic went straight in at number one as a brand new entry knocking peter andre off the top of the charts it stayed at number one for one week in its first and only week atop the charts it sold 103 000 copies beating
Starting point is 00:54:39 competition from cha-cha slide by dj casper which got to number 2, but hold your horses on that one. Amazing by George Michael, which got to number 4. Red-Blooded Woman by Kylie Minogue, which got to number 5. Dude by Beanie Man, which got to number 7. And I Miss You by Blink182, which got to number 8. When it was knocked off the top of the charts, Toxic dropped one place to number two. By the time it was done on the charts, it had been inside the top 100 for 14 weeks, but the song was officially certified two times platinum in the UK in February 2022. So this is a big deal. Andy, Toxic, Britney Spears.
Starting point is 00:55:22 Oh, I'm glad you've come to me first on this one. Thank you, Rob. Britney Spears oh I'm glad you've come to me first on this one thank you Rob I have a kind of I don't know I think this opinion
Starting point is 00:55:28 is going to be quite controversial that I have about Toxic I think don't judge me too harshly for this but I actually think it's better than
Starting point is 00:55:36 Mysterious Girl I do no surely not and actually I'm going to go further even further hot take I think it might even
Starting point is 00:55:45 be better than Sam and Mark from last week it's that good yeah wow we're losing people we're losing people
Starting point is 00:55:52 quickly pull it back pull it back come back I mean those things are true because it's better than probably most songs that we've ever covered
Starting point is 00:56:00 on the podcast I mean that genuinely this is probably like well probably about it this is like for me top five of all time of everything we've covered on the podcast i mean that genuinely this is probably like well it no probably about it this is like for me top five of all time of everything we've covered on the podcast um it's just incredible and um i really don't know where to start with it because it's everything it is literally everything it's the everything stupid um to quote a bit more um
Starting point is 00:56:22 first of all those strings which I've always found it really odd that that is sampled because they change the sample so much that it's an entirely new sound that you can listen back to the original song it comes from and you just don't recognise it at all which is really odd
Starting point is 00:56:39 but you've got that unhinged weird really high pitched string thing that just catches your attention immediately and gives this song a different quality to what you would expect from Britney Spears because this is a really big new sound where she's fully in her confident, sexualised icon era now and really owning it.
Starting point is 00:57:01 So you've got those strings to start with. You've got a verse and a bridge and a chorus and a post-chorus that are all individually really, really catchy, that every one of them kind of hits the spot. I feel like almost every one of our generation would have no problem singing this song all the way through from start to end. It's just every part of it is iconic. Then you've got that little guitar lick after the
Starting point is 00:57:26 chorus which always always used to kind of send me as a kid where just that because everything else in the song is so kind of odd and off and like almost sort of dirty distorted sounding but then having that really clean guitar lick through just gives it this little oof this little extra thing that just really really makes it sing and um brittany's vocals as well actually really sell this that um you know most of the time she's got that kind of traditional brittany kind of singing which is kind of under her breath like that and sounding really kind of sultry and really kind of sexy but then she really kind of powers out particular lines particularly there i'm
Starting point is 00:58:06 addicted to you you know she really kind of owns it and takes control of the song and she shows her range as well with that incredibly high bridge with the i'm not gonna do it i was gonna do it then i nearly did it but i'm not gonna do it they're really really high notes that she hits in the bridge um it's just fantastic and there's so much little bits of development throughout. Like the way that the string sample kind of turns around on the second bridge going into the chorus there. I've always liked that, the way it turns around as well. So there's just so much going on in this song.
Starting point is 00:58:40 It's so unique. It's such a complete package that you get so much out of that I have always absolutely adored it it's like by far my favorite britney song and one of my favorite pop songs from the naughty full stop but the thing is at the time this came out i was a little you know 11 year old who was ostensibly into football and stuff like that and was had not yet discovered the raging queen inside of me um and i i knew like that i absolutely loved this but i knew that i just i could not express that i was not gonna get away with it because i was too old for it to be like oh you know kids can
Starting point is 00:59:20 like what they like but i was too young for it to be like oh well he's coming out as gay it's like I was like 12 years old in that really awkward period and then this song comes out and so whenever it came on in the car I used to be like turn it up turn it up I love this I love it so much but I would never like I would never have bought the single and I never got much chance to listen to it
Starting point is 00:59:40 outside of the radio but it got a huge amount of airplay so that helped but yeah I just love this song and it's never left my rotation it's like I listen to this like at least about once a month on Spotify it's just like the ultimate Britney track it's a perfect example of how to do a pop song and the comparison point I would make to it is Can't Get You Out of My Head by Kylie Minogue, in which, you know, that song, one of the things I loved about it was that it just has this whole,
Starting point is 01:00:10 unique, complete thing that no other song has, that it just gives you something that's a complete work of art just right there on a plate, where it's the perfect performer, the perfect song for them, the perfect stylization, perfect production, and huge amount of imaginative ideas. All those things are exactly the same in Toxic. It is just an absolute gem. It's fantastic, yeah. Well, it's appropriate, actually, that you bring up... Can't get you out of my head,
Starting point is 01:00:41 because Kathy Dennis was behind both of them. Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah yeah yeah well surprising um for me with toxic um this is gonna sound kind of harsh um but i promise it's an incredible positive um toxic just kind of is what it is like like crazy in love it's a song where its reputation kind of precedes it like these days anyway you know it's fast and it's sed in Love, it's a song where its reputation kind of precedes it. Like, these days anyway, you know, it's fast and it's seductive and it's mysterious and it's invigorating all the way to the end. Like, that mix is so dense and full of so many different textures that keep shifting in and out of you. And it's bold and refreshing and it feels like now 2004 has finally clicked into gear like the songs
Starting point is 01:01:28 that we've done so far they just kind of they float through the early to mid-naughties in my head like michelle mcmanus i was shocked that that was 2004 you know with busted i associate them with 2003 you know like it feels like with toxic and britney spirit it's like no this is it 2004 in the zone britney you know like the on like on the edge of like having to deal with a you know the effects of what eventually happens in 2007 and everything that leads up to that point and the next song of hers that we're going to cover on this podcast it hints towards that more i think and so toxic for me is kind of like i look back as it being like the last point where britney felt like
Starting point is 01:02:15 a pop star who was in control because every time doesn't always feel that way and the video is like you know all about how she doesn't have much control and then she has all of the incidents that happen in between like 2005 and blackout in 2007 but by the time she comes back in 2007 it's all very different and the landscape has changed and etc etc so i think that with this i feel i feel like it's kind of hard to go much further than what I've said in terms of analysing it, just because, like, everybody knows this, and everybody knows how they feel about it, and how they're meant to feel about it, if you know what I mean, and, like, it's why I think the only thing stopping me from giving this, like, a perfect score is that it is so impressive, and presents itself, like, its entire self up front the little details
Starting point is 01:03:06 that i'd be getting all like sentimental about and trying to dig into they don't really emerge in the same way um i feel like time hasn't really changed this or added layers to it in a way that i think that the next song of hers that we cover does. Like, I think time has added a lot to every time. Whereas with this, it came into the world exactly as it was. It had just the right reaction. It generated just the right reaction that you would expect a song like this to have. And then it has been preserved exactly as it should have been,
Starting point is 01:03:42 which is a song that everybody goes, yeah, that's good. exactly as it should have been which is a song that everybody goes yeah that's good and for me i kind of on this show anyway i feel like i've felt strongly about the songs that you know they get released and then you go oh yeah we felt about it this way but now look how we feel about it and because of this and because of that and i'm not saying that toxic has stood the test of time i think it does have a timeless quality in the sense that it does just kind of have it's kind of it's kind of like the monolith in 2001 where it's like no matter where it is in time and space it's always exactly the same um and so yeah it's i think it's absolutely amazing, but it just, just, just misses out being like a perfect score for me. And to round us off for this week's episode, Lizzie, go ahead.
Starting point is 01:04:36 Well, Rob, you're wrong. Yes, you are. Yeah. You like busted, so your opinion doesn't count. I'm joking, I'm joking, i'm joking i'm joking i'm joking oh it's all right lizzie i'm over it you stupid lying rob i'm just kidding obviously but yeah i've kind of said it before on the podcast but i always find incredibly good songs like this far more difficult to talk about than
Starting point is 01:05:05 say a completely pedestrian song like uh mysterious girl by peter andre yeah because like most of the time it's enough for me to talk about a song by discussing you know what i like about it what i don't like about it and then gathering those points to summarize my feelings on it with something like this though i always feel like i'm just going to gush about how good it is and just like talk at you about what happens in the song and why it's great and it's like i kind of agree with what you say rob it's like you know this song by now and you know why it's good but yeah I sort of imagine myself as like a kid talking about their favorite superhero film just full of like disordered thoughts but clearly swept up in the excitement of it all and so I'll try my best not to do that
Starting point is 01:05:59 I'll try my best to keep it kind of brief but I think you only need to listen to this to see why I might have done that because much like with Freak Like Me by the Sugar Babes it's brimming with hooks it's full of thrilling little moments and it's got that strong undercurrent of danger underpinning the whole thing like I've seen suggestions this week that this song romanticizes the idea of a toxic relationship but there are moments in this song that I think strongly suggests the sort of delirium that those kind of relationships cause, particularly that part about two minutes and 20 seconds in where it's just Britney's wordless vocal over the intensifying throbbing backing track and like that balancing act of the lightness
Starting point is 01:06:53 of Britney's vocal and the darkness suggested by the track itself is what makes this so beguiling and engaging to listen to even 20 years on and like while some of her other hits like baby one more time and oops i did it again have arguably been more culturally important this to me is britney at the peak of her powers and it is what should have been her long overdue imperial phase but sadly it wasn't to be because I've mentioned to you that I was recently reading a thread on Reddit about the biggest what-ifs in pop music and the big answers are what you'd expect it's like what if Covid never happened what if Kanye West had never interrupted Taylor Swift at the VMAs. But one of the most upvoted answers was What If Britney Didn't Break Her Leg During the Music Video Shoot for Outrageous,
Starting point is 01:07:52 which was shot about two months after this got to number one and I would argue pretty much derailed her career completely. Like I'm glad we don't get to talk about that song for fairly obvious reasons, but the theory goes that it's maybe a bit of an oversimplification, but if she doesn't get injured, the tour doesn't get cancelled, she maybe doesn't marry Kevin Federline, she maybe doesn't have a breakdown, maybe the conservatorship doesn't happen, she doesn't have the insurmountable trauma or mental health issues and she still has her career intact that's maybe wishful thinking but you can't help but think that if she had carried on like this it's just insane to think what we could have had and it feels like it's been taken away from us like this like you say rob this isn't the last time we hear from britney like we've still got a number of another number one of hers this year spoiler alert but it feels like we never ever get back to this point and it is a real shame that what happened happened and we never get to continue on the alternate path that is
Starting point is 01:09:07 Britney at the peak of her powers doing stuff like this for three four more years where she's got that perfect balance of commercially successful but creatively unstoppable um just alongside this i'd also like to mention that it is about the super vet Noel Fitzpatrick who Kathy Dennis was dating at the time so there you go it's just wonderful I think it's interesting
Starting point is 01:09:34 I can totally understand why people have assumed and taken the reading that this is about a toxic relationship and can maybe argue that it romanticizes it. But whenever I've listened to it over the years, my perspective on this has always been that Britney has caught the eye of somebody in a nightclub
Starting point is 01:09:57 and she can't stop thinking about him. This idea of his poison and the fact that he's toxic. I don't think it's like you are toxic and our relationship is toxic i think it's more like i'm under your spell like yeah you know it's like i'm kind of feeding off something that you're giving out here and i can't get enough of it sort of thing i don't know if they're actually together i feel like it captures a moment as opposed to a period of time if if you know what I mean. But yeah, the other thing that I always remember about this song, obviously, is the video.
Starting point is 01:10:30 The kind of, I mean, if you want to make a song sound fast, just put a plane in the music video, you know. Put her on the plane and make it look like the most jet engine streamlined plane that you've ever seen. You know, all sleek and, sleek and you know like sexy and metallic and all that sort of stuff but yeah no i totally agree about all the um like you say that the little thrilling moments in this the one that andy i think that you picked out where they reversed the sample midway through the second verse oh yeah when i said they're going
Starting point is 01:11:12 they go and it's just the way it builds ever so differently and ever so slightly and i just love the the relationship between like acoustic guitars and electric guitars and kind of like fuzzy bass synths and stuff like that. And yeah, all the textures are just so... I mean, it's gone slightly up in my estimation as I've listened to it over the last week. And actually on the day of recording, I've taken the train back from London and while I was waiting in Euston for the train back to Manchester to come up on the board, I'm stood in Euston
Starting point is 01:11:45 like everyone else staring up blankly at what platform number is my train going to have meanwhile to the rest of the world I'm just a guy stood in Euston with some headphones on and inside I'm having a party as Toxic is playing and I may as well be
Starting point is 01:12:01 not in Euston but Euston may as well be in space or like on the jet plane that Brittany's in in the video. It's really transportative, I think. It is one of those songs for me that like, I almost don't want it to come on like at a party when people are chatting and stuff because it's one of those songs for me where I'm like, shh, Toxic's on. Like, show respect.
Starting point is 01:12:22 Like, I always have to stop and like properly engage with it because just like oh yeah yeah it's like the thinking person's mr bright side oh that's gonna cut through that one oh oh yeah there's also a little bit we've not mentioned is you know after the the wordless vocal bit there's a bit bit where she does the taste of the tasting of lips. The robotic vocal. Yeah. Oh, that's so good. Right, okay.
Starting point is 01:12:55 So, we've come to the end of this week's episode. But before we go, we're just going to check whether any of the songs that we've covered this week are going to be going into the vault or the pie hole so Who's David by Busted that's not going anywhere for me it's going straight in the pie hole for me
Starting point is 01:13:14 Mysterious Girl by Peter Andre I'm also abstaining from any kind of vote on this not for me no it's pretty meddling But I'm putting Toxic right in the vault So am I, obviously, definitely Yeah, this one's flying into the vault on a big plane With Brittany showing you where the exits are
Starting point is 01:13:41 Yeah, triple vaulter. Nice. Deserved. So that is it for this week's episode. Thank you very much for listening. When we come back, we'll be covering the period between the 14th of March and the 17th of April. I feel like 2004 has ground to a halt ever so slightly. Lots of number ones changing. Like, you know, after three episodes, we were like over halfway through 2003 or whatever it was and now in 2004 it's like
Starting point is 01:14:08 three episodes in and we're just getting to the point where you can take the jumper off and turn the heating down. But we will see you next time. So thank you very much for listening this time and we'll see you again. Bye bye. See ya.

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