Hits 21 - 2005 (10): The Race for Christmas Number 1

Episode Date: November 12, 2023

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Hi there everyone and Yuletide greetings! Welcome back to Hits21 where me, Rob. Me, Santa. And me, Lizzie. All look back at every single UK number one of the 21st century. From January 2000
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Starting point is 00:00:57 We are currently looking back at the year 2005. That's where you find us. And this week, it's our last episode of 2005 because we're looking back at the race for Christmas number one it's our sort of three monthly tradition on here where we take a look at the TV the games, the films
Starting point is 00:01:16 all sorts of that stuff, we look back on the year that was and we also discuss the big Christmas number one, which was announced on Christmas day in 2005. Last week's poll winner. There was a lot of love, I have to say, for Stick With You, for Pussycat Dolls. So I'm happy that there was a lot of love out there for that.
Starting point is 00:01:39 But the winner, it was hung up by Madonna. Fair enough. So well done to her you know Rob I'm impressed that you didn't need to mention that Pussycat Dolls title there and you did it anyway that's brave of you I've grown up so much this week Andy honestly
Starting point is 00:01:56 alright then on to this week's episode and as always we're going to give you some news headlines from around the time that the one song in this episode was at number one in the UK. Westlife's You Raise Me Up is named as ITV's Record of the Year. Andrew Flintoff is named BBC Sports Personality of the Year. Former cricketer Darren Goff wins the third series of Strictly Come Dancing. Cricketer Darren Goff wins the third series of Strictly Come Dancing,
Starting point is 00:02:30 and Sir Trevor MacDonald makes his final ITN news broadcast after 25 years. Elton John spends £100,000 on a huge pre-wedding party to celebrate his civil partnership with David Furnish, to whom Elton has now been married for 18 years. The couple eventually got married in 2014, once it was legal for UK same-sex couples to do so. And Shane Ward wins the second series of The X Factor. Beating composition from Andy Abraham and Journey South, the 21-year-old singer from Tameside in Greater Manchester won the public vote after singing If You're Not The One by Daniel Bedingfield, When a Child is Born by Johnny Mathis, and Over the Rainbow by Judy Garland
Starting point is 00:03:06 in the final. Jesus Christ. Jesus, my pulse is racing there. That's like... That's a selection, isn't it? Yeah, it's like going to the house of a recent divorcee at Christmas.
Starting point is 00:03:16 That's what we've got on the stereo. Like, alright. Yeah, I wonder what happens to that Shane Ward lad. I wonder if I'll ever get to talk about him. The last film to reach the top of the UK box office
Starting point is 00:03:28 in 2005 is The Chronicles of Narnia, The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe, which went back to the top for one more week and the three highest grossing films of 2005 were Charlie and the Chocolate Factory in third place,
Starting point is 00:03:44 Star Wars Episode III, Revenge of the Sith in second place, and the highest grossing film of 2005, which likely comes as a surprise to absolutely nobody, is Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire. And you can see all those films right now on ITV2. Yes, you probably could have seen them in 2006 and will be able to see them in 2026
Starting point is 00:04:08 because the ITV schedule at Christmas has probably never changed so normally at this point we would have some pop culture headlines from Lizzie and Andy but it's only a week period at the end of December not a lot going on we would normally be stopping off at the end of December. Not a lot going on.
Starting point is 00:04:28 We would normally be stopping off at the album chart, but not a lot of action there. But Lizzie, you have a US-based treat for us. Yes, I do. For this week's episode, so reveal all, please. All right. Well, I have both a Christmas number one single and an album to bring you this week. Well, you do. Congratulations.
Starting point is 00:04:47 I know. Amazing. Well done done i finally took off over there i can't believe it 20 years ago i'll also give you the 2005 year end list while i'm here um first up the us christmas number one single for 2005 is don't forget about us by mariah carey ironically a song i completely forgot about until writing my notes it stayed at number one for two weeks those being the final week of 2005 and the first week of 2006 in the uk it only got as high as number 11, while JCB was at number one. Over to albums, and we have the 2005 Christmas number one album, which is Curtain Call, The Hits, by Eminem. It stayed at number one for two weeks to close out 2005,
Starting point is 00:05:38 and also got to number one in the UK. It was certified diamond in the US, with over 10 million copies sold to date, and that is despite having Eminem's worst song on it is that fact by any chance yes it is yeah so that just leaves us with the year-end winners uh any guesses at the biggest single of 2005 will be fairly obvious if you've been listening to these segments I know know We Belong Together will be right up there. What about you, Rob? Yeah, it's We Belong Together or
Starting point is 00:06:10 Gold Digger, isn't it? Well, we'll see. At number 10, we have Behind These Hazel Eyes by Kelly Clarkson. Really? That sold that much? Gosh, wow. Yeah, I think it's a mix of sales and radio airplay as far as I'm aware.
Starting point is 00:06:26 But yeah, it was pretty big in America. At number nine, one we covered, Don't You, by the Pussycat Dolls. At number eight, one we thankfully didn't cover, Candy Shop, by 50 Cent, featuring Olivia. At number seven, one that I'm sure you both wish we could have covered Boulevard of Broken Dreams By Green Day Didn't get number 1 But it was still pretty big over there God and he wore cologne and everything
Starting point is 00:06:53 I know He walks to Burger King Then he walks back from the Burger King If you know you know At number 6 We have Gold Digger by Kanye West featuring Jamie Fox know at number 6 we have Gold Digger by Kanye West featuring Jamie Foxx only number 6
Starting point is 00:07:09 what you say only number 6 the 6th biggest song in America for that year in at number 5 is One Two Step by Sierra featuring Missy Elliott number 4 god I wish we could have covered this one Since You've Been Gone by Kelly Clarkson at number 3 Let Me Love You by Mario.
Starting point is 00:07:28 I think got to number two over here. At number two is Hollaback Girl by Gwen Stefani. Oh, wow. At number one, You've Both Got It, Bang Nail Ned, We Belong Together by Mariah Carey. Wow, big year for Kelly Clarkson. Two songs in the top ten for the year. Yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:07:44 That's pretty good for her. Yeah, yeah. Breakout year. Pretty good for her. Well done to her. Alright then, so back over to this side of the Atlantic. And Andy has rustled up his dusty copy from 2005 of the Radio Times, I'm sure. So what will be being treated to across the ever-expanding number of channels during Christmas 2005? Oh, well, you say ever-expanding number of channels, but I've only really focused on
Starting point is 00:08:12 two, but let's go anyway. Otherwise I'd be at this all night. Yes, it is that time of year. Once again, pour yourself a sherry, stuff yourself with an extra mince pie, and plonk yourself down in front of the telly. Because there is a whole load on offer for you in Christmas 2005.
Starting point is 00:08:30 Probably worth noting that this is, I think this is the first Christmas that I remember the TV quite well. Which might well go for both of you two. Let's see how much of this you recall. So, we start with BBC One, who, i think the general theme is that they offer an evening of looks at a bygone era first of all right in the middle of prime time we have an hour-long special of only fools and horses spin off the green green grass yes that is christmas day prime time yeah getting the green green grass we also got the final edition of the two ronnie's sketchbook this one being appropriately a Christmas special,
Starting point is 00:09:07 and that series had seen the Ronnies reunite to present classic sketches with new live material recorded for Lynx. It was quite good, actually. And that final episode was recorded very shortly before Ronnie Barker's death, and it was broadcast after he died, so that was one of the highlights of the evening. A final farewell to Ronnie Barker. So, yes, a lot of trips into the past,
Starting point is 00:09:27 and speaking of time travel, well, it is finally time for BBC One to inaugurate the grand tradition of the Doctor Who Christmas specials, which will be with us almost every year to come. Almost every year to come. This year's special was titled The Christmas Invasion and marked the full debut of David Tennant as the 10th Doctor, who was, of course, an enormous success in the role,
Starting point is 00:09:49 so quite a landmark episode, this. Definitely one of the better Doctor Who specials, for my money. And it's kind of weird to be talking about his debut, given that, as we record, it is just days until David Tennant starts a second brief tenure as the 14th Doctor. Things never change, do they? Yeah. There are also specials from Little Britain,
Starting point is 00:10:12 from Strictly Come Dancing, and from Outtake TV, if you remember that. And the big film of the day is Toy Story 2. Solid. And my favourite little oddity from all the schedules this year hard spell which is a televised spelling bee
Starting point is 00:10:28 spread across six episodes what? I know in which Britain's best young spellers prove that they can spell spell better than others can spell spelling! spelling!
Starting point is 00:10:41 it's Christmas folks let's all do some spelling yeah so over on ITV I mean frankly if it's christmas folks let's all do some spelling yeah so over on itv i mean frankly if it's not a celebrity special then they don't want to know you um yet another evening of celebrity millionaire is accompanied by anton deck's christmas takeaway a coronation street panto and a stars in i know and a stars in their eyes celebrity duets special. And there's some proper names here from back in the day. So interior designers Colin and Justin played Robson and Jerome.
Starting point is 00:11:11 Yeah, I know. Paul Daniels and Debbie McGee played Fred Astaire and Judy Garland, which kind of sounds amazing, to be honest. Yeah. Vanessa Feltz and Matthew Wright played Rene and Renato, which I can't quite picture, to be honest. Yeah, ITV's big film for the day was The Grinch, and I think we should start declaring a winner for these each year
Starting point is 00:11:32 in the Battle of the Christmas Movies. So which wins this year, Toy Story 2 or The Grinch? Toy Story 2. Easy. Toy Story 2. Yeah. Rob? Yeah, Toy Story 2.
Starting point is 00:11:43 Easy. Yes, so over on the soaps let's start with Corrie where it's an emotional Christmas as long-standing Corrie legend Mike Baldwin finally accepts that he is suffering from Alzheimer's disease when he forgets that his brother is dead during Christmas dinner and it's a
Starting point is 00:11:58 similarly cheery festive Emmerdale which sees Jimmy King nearly jump off a bridge Merry Christmas, everyone. And it's a very big one on EastEnders. Firstly, on Christmas Day, Cat and Alfie are reunited after a tough few months apart, and they drive off into the sunset together,
Starting point is 00:12:16 leaving the show. And on New Year's Eve, resident hunk Dennis Rickman is shockingly killed off, played by Nigel Harmon, by the way, who, as of recording, is currently doing quite well on Strictly Come Dancing. Again, things don't half come back around, don't they? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:12:32 And just a few more things. The Queen's speech this year focused on the many tragedies that had occurred globally in the last year. Funnily enough, she talks quite a lot about the Asian tsunami, which, of course, occurred the very day after last year's speech on Boxing Day 2004. She also talked about Hurricane Katrina, the earthquake in Kashmir, and the 7-7 bombings. And the Queen paid tribute to all involved in the humanitarian efforts
Starting point is 00:12:57 from those who responded to these events. And finally, the alternative Christmas message had a very different flavour. And all puns intended there, because it was delivered by Jamie Oliver. And finally, the alternative Christmas message had a very different flavour. And all puns intended there because it was delivered by Jamie Oliver in the form of a truly cringe-inducing sketch. You should watch this. It's awful. Where he has a nightmare that he is serving children turkey Twizzlers for Christmas dinner. Oh, the turkey Twizzlers fiasco. After that nightmare, Jamie wakes up
Starting point is 00:13:25 and makes a Christmas wish for children to eat better. The evenings must fly by in the Oliver household, mustn't they? Yeah, not a vintage one. So that's your lot. You've got Jamie Oliver, the lovely Debbie McGee, the Tenth Doctor, Cat and Alfie, Buzz and Woody, and best of all, spelling! Have a spellbinding TV Christmas, one and all
Starting point is 00:13:47 I actually, before we move on I have a fun fact about the alternative Christmas message that year is that E4 did an alternative to the alternative message They did indeed It was delivered by Avid Merian otherwise known as Lee Francis from
Starting point is 00:14:03 Bo Selector God, I could only imagine what that was like oh yeah but it's brilliant oh god the turkey twizzlers thing because i started high school in 2005 and the primary school i went to was really close by the high school i ended up going to and so a lot of kids in my year had older siblings at the school and like my cousin went and so these these turkey twizzlers at the school were like oh the turkey twizzlers are amazing and i was like oh can't wait to try those and so on mondays and fridays i was allowed uh food from the canteen instead of being sent in with a packed lunch.
Starting point is 00:14:51 And back then, two pounds could buy you lunch, a drink, and a dessert. You had to put them on your... Did you two have dinner cards at your school? We would have got them around this time, yeah. I was a packed lunch boy. Yeah, I was mostly a packed lunch boy too, but on Fridays I was allowed, and I had turkey Twizzlers like twice, and I was like, oh, these are the best things, because they didn't do them every Friday.
Starting point is 00:15:12 They did them once a month, I think at the end of the month or something like that. And then after like two months of having them, I remember coming in school one day, all my friends were sort of like going, have you heard? Have you heard the news? I was trying to get rid of them.
Starting point is 00:15:29 And so there was this Jamie Oliver hate campaign at our school for a little while until sadly the turkey Twizzlers were no more. And I feel a bit like Principal Skinner with the, I just can't get the spices right. Where like every time somebody's come back with a turkey Twizzler it's just not the same it isn't the same
Starting point is 00:15:49 they are not only a victim of time passing but they're also a victim of things like shrinkflation and just generally just good diets to be honest and better diets to be perfectly honest but what I wouldn't give, what I wouldn't give. Rob as much as I loved that story
Starting point is 00:16:07 and I really did, I must say you've never sounded older young people listening to that I've got you going back in day you could use two penneth to get yourself dinner and drink remember turkey twizzlers we'd save up all month for them
Starting point is 00:16:24 turkey twizzlers but then top brass wouldn't let us have them turkey twizzlers we'd save up all month for them turkey twizzlers but then top brass wouldn't let us have them turkey twizzlers never did me any harm I know back in my day we'd have one turkey twizzler a year and we'd be fucking grateful isn't it funny how you can remember flavours like that
Starting point is 00:16:43 I've not had them in 18 years, and yet I can almost taste them. Yeah, remember the texture. Yeah. Leave your house unlocked in them days as well. Well, if my house was left unlocked on Christmas Day 2005, what gains would they be stealing, Lizzie? These fictional robbers that I've invented, who also love turkey Twizzlers and love robbing houses too.
Starting point is 00:17:09 Well, as you're both aware, the 2005 Toy of the Year is, of course, turkey Twizzlers. Right, I'll do the Toy Awards first, and then we'll move on to video games. Toy Awards. Yeah, here we go. Right, Toy Craze of the year 2005 i'll be very surprised if you remember either of these um so first up we have my scoobies oh scoobies
Starting point is 00:17:34 yeah they're the little tie things like the little plaits made out of elastic bands we've oh is that what that is yeah we've still got them on suitcases where you can identify your suitcase from the little scooby you've tied yeah yeah yeah so so we've still got them on suitcases where you can identify your suitcase from the little Scooby you've tied. Yeah. Yeah, so we've got My Scoobies and Scooby-Doo. I'm guessing they're not that Scooby-Doo with S-C-O-U. Moving on, we have the Fashion Doll of the Year 2005. No points for guessing this.
Starting point is 00:17:59 This is going to be Bratz, but it's specifically Bratz Babies. Oh, dear. Oh, no. I remember that. Sorry, I've just immediately started laughing at memories of last year's Baby Wee Wee. Some say it's still pissing to this day. Still haunting us. Speaking of haunting, Andy, this is one you might have had if you were a little bit younger.
Starting point is 00:18:23 The Doctor Who radio-controlled Dalek character, the electronic toy of the year 2005. That's so cool! You know when you're like 13 and you look at the Argos catalogue it's like, oh that would have been great like two years ago. Yep. I did have a Sonic screwdriver though
Starting point is 00:18:39 so I wasn't completely averse to Doctor Who toys this year but I did have a remote-controlled Dalek. Oh, damn it, such an unhappy childhood. The toy range of the year 2005, one that is definitely still around, I don't know, Sylvanian Families. Oh, yeah, yeah. The little bear things, yeah.
Starting point is 00:19:00 The TikTok account, Sylvanian Drama. Have either of you come across this? I don't know. I'm 30, Rob. Yes, yes, and it's Sylvanian Drama. Have either of you come across this? I don't know. I'm 30, Rob. Yes, yes. And it's Sylvanian Families. Yeah, it is. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:19:14 The Sylvanian Drama TikTok account is incredible. Really, really incredible where this person does Sylvanian Families, but sets them up as little stop motion things. And then it's like a it's like a soap opera but like no one scene connects to the next it's like there's a wedding and so that's the setup and then a car crash it crashes through the window and then the person who's in the car who's crashed into the window starts arguing with someone in a pew then suddenly there's a fight outside suddenly there's a like you know and it just it goes from one to the next it's almost like um this term that was uh used to describe like certain simpsons episodes this
Starting point is 00:19:56 element of symphonic humor where like there is no punch line it's just a series of jokes and gags that just keep going and going and going until the video just sort of ends it's just a series of jokes and gags that just keep going and going and going until the video just sort of ends it's yeah great great fun that account I think I had that mixed up with I know there was a twitter account I think a couple of years ago that was just some sylvanian families like posed
Starting point is 00:20:17 and then it would just be one of them like swearing oh I saw that as well my first job was in a toy shop and when that year comes up I'll be looking forward to this bit by the way But Sylvanian families They were a big deal People would come in
Starting point is 00:20:33 With a list in their hands and be like Oh have you got the 2005 Cardigan wearing field mouse You know But take it proper seriously I like to think that you kind of gate kept them you know people would come in for them
Starting point is 00:20:48 but you get to pick a choose like do I like this person and you have the power to just say no we don't goodbye I would have loved to wield that kind of power but I was young and afraid of authority so no no one man should have all that power
Starting point is 00:21:03 right preschool toy of the year i don't think any of us played with this or at least i hope we didn't um thomas aquador i'm guessing this is like one of those pen things where they they only work on the oh yeah yeah yeah yeah the water pen things yeah yeah yeah the electronic game of the year rather than electronic toy is bop it extreme 2 well i think i own that one i think that was the one i owned okay yeah i think i think i own this next one actually uh the game of the year 2005 monopoly here and now oh what was the uh what variation is that i think it's like an update is that? I think it's like an updated, well, I think it is, it's definitely an updated one. I can't remember what exactly, I can't,
Starting point is 00:21:50 this might have been the one with like a card reader. Oh, I don't like that. I don't like that, no. Yeah, it's one of those where you play it at Christmas and it never gets seen again, but we had fun while it lasted. The girls' toy of the year 2005 is Barbie Pegasus Styling Head. Head? Yeah. I like to think many children woke up with that in their bed and screamed. I was just thinking that.
Starting point is 00:22:15 If you have given Barbie a haircut, I need to order a replacement head. The boys' toy of the year, I don't know why they're gendering this, but Star Wars electronic lightsabers. I'm pretty sure girls would have had this too. Girls like lightsabers. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:22:32 And so do young gay boys. I can testify. I'm not binary. Do you own one, Andy? Yeah. And finally, the Special Recognition Awards on behalf of the council go to 20 questions, flat ball, Take Along Thomas,
Starting point is 00:22:49 and a Hits 21 alumni, Crazy Frog. How was that a toy? What was the toy element of Crazy Frog? They had, like, plush toys and that, and I'm pretty sure they had, like, a dancing one as well, like that singing hamster thing. You know, you squeeze its paw and it goes do, do, do, do, do, do. All right.
Starting point is 00:23:11 Now the fun part. Video games. I'm going to do it slightly different this year because usually I would ask you what you think is the highest entry or the number one in this list. I'm going to tell you straight up, it's FIFA. Yeah. So, I'm sorry, but I'm just going to say, right, what do you think the highest entry that
Starting point is 00:23:33 isn't FIFA or Pro Evo is? Star Wars Battlefront. That was big in this year. I'm going to go for that. Okay. Good guess. I like that. That's a really good shout. A Resident Evil game's still going at this
Starting point is 00:23:49 point. Yes. San Andreas still going as well from last year. I think the Nintendo DS launched in 2005. So maybe Mario Kart or something. Good shout. Okay, yeah. Run it down, Lizzie. Run it down. so maybe Mario Kart or something okay good shout okay yeah
Starting point is 00:24:05 run it down Lizzie run it down so I'd say number one is Fifro 6 number two is Pro Evolution Soccer 5 yep now I'll go back both of those
Starting point is 00:24:14 yep yeah I think a lot of people did so going back to the number 10 spot we have The Sims 2 at number nine we have King Kong official game of the movie. I've got that. It was actually pretty good it was quite a lot like Uncharted before Uncharted happened it was quite good though. This is also the year of
Starting point is 00:24:34 the Xbox 360 and I remember that came out on about 10 consoles. Yeah it is actually. In at number 8, good shout, Grand Theft Auto San Andreas. Still holding in there. Still holding strong, yeah. In at number seven, another good shout, Star Wars Battlefront II. Oh, not one. Oh, okay. I thought one would still be riding the crest of the wave, though.
Starting point is 00:24:59 Hmm, interesting. Yeah. I mean, it probably still is in the list somewhere, but I've just got the top ten in front of me. In at number six, pretty sure i had this one fifa street oh yes yeah yeah that was where i discovered dizzy rascal because stand up tall was on the soundtrack and that was um yeah that was where i discovered it oh god what a concept as well because that was like the peak of like joga bonito and yes all the skill football stuff
Starting point is 00:25:27 and the uh the advert that was all them playing football in the stadium to the mama loves mambo or whatever it was with uh all the brazilian players doing tricks and flicks and i seem to remember there being a gladiator commercial as well where david beckham was in that was pepsi i think so yeah this peak kind of like whoa look at the skill sort of era of football which has kind of moved on a bit now the whole street thing though it is a little bit cringe looking back it's a little bit pandering like it's I don't know I get what you mean I kind of miss that though in like in sports games especially that more arcadey aspect yeah whereas now it's fun. Whereas now it's all full simulation.
Starting point is 00:26:07 You play one game, you've played a million. They did try to bring it back because I think they got as far as FIFA Street 3. They did. I think they got that far. And then there was a game mode on FIFA 20, I think that was called something like volta or something like that where you could play in like indoor arenas because i remember the funny thing about fifa street was that obviously you could do all the tricks and flicks and that was more what the game
Starting point is 00:26:38 was about because as much as uh you could obviously score goals in these little five-a-side pitches. You could also get points for doing skill and skill moves, and goals would be worth more points and things like that. But you could also foul people and not have the referee blow up. You could just deck somebody. You could just do a sliding tackle, and then the game would just be like, right, okay, we're carrying on. There's no referee because there's no no injuries and there's nothing like that there's
Starting point is 00:27:08 no referee to tell you off you could just just slide into people i used to do that i used to just go even like at the other end of the pitch when the ball was right up at the other end and there's nothing going on i'd go to the other goalie and just absolutely deck him with a slide tackle out of nowhere and play would just continue and he'd just be like what the hell going back to list in at number five we have star wars episode three revenge of the sith oh yes okay yeah at number four we have gran turismo four so in at number three is our highest non-football entry this year, which is Need for Speed, Most Wanted. It's always Need for Speed, isn't it?
Starting point is 00:27:49 Yeah. Yeah. But, yeah, there's some great games on this list. Like, just looking at it now, I can see The Simpsons Hit and Run is in there. Yes. One I really liked at the time, 50 Cent Bulletproof is in there. Oh, my God.
Starting point is 00:28:04 The Warriors, that was a great game um tony hawk's american wasteland um world of warcraft is in there and of course my personal favorite in at number 59 microsoft office 2003 student edition oh my god they sold that as a game? Well, we all played it, right? Do you know, 50 Cent Bulletproof, I do remember that, sort of, but I mainly have memories of 50 Cent Blood in the Sand, which I don't know if that's... Oh, Blood in the Sand. That is a different game, isn't it? It is, it comes out a year or two later.
Starting point is 00:28:39 Well, I have really funny memories of watching Charlie Brooker dissect that on Gameswipe where he said it's just hard to get into because 50 cents is just such an absolute knobhead to everybody he encounters you just walk in go to a waitress behind a bar and go like
Starting point is 00:28:57 where's your bars you bitch I just remember that oh god I think that was a little bit after wasn't it If it was on weekly Wipe or anything like that it might be late 2000s Might be the follow up to This one Bulletproof
Starting point is 00:29:13 Yeah I want to say it came out around the time of Curtis Yeah Wasn't there also a film A get rich or die trying film That was like 2005 Yeah I think at this time I'm obviously playing FIFA 06 and PES 5 but I'm also still playing
Starting point is 00:29:32 my little arcade racer game called Road Trip Adventure on PS2 absolutely loved Road Trip Adventure that's one of my husband's favourite games of all time and he played it on an emulator literally earlier this week. It's beautiful.
Starting point is 00:29:48 Who knew that driving into a car in the middle of nowhere, in the middle of the night nobody around and you just have this conversation. It's like I've been fishing. I've been catching all of these. Would you like to come back to my house to see all my fish? And then you go
Starting point is 00:30:03 no. And then drive home. Happier times. Indelible memories. Alright then, so, before we get to the Christmas Day Top 10, we are going to take our first look back at the year that was and some songs that we
Starting point is 00:30:22 perhaps would have wanted to cover but didn't get to cover because they didn't get to number one it is time for born to runner up so andy this is your segment so feel free to take it away what what are our top 10 number twos of the year oh you want the whole top 10 do you okay well there might be some surprises in here because there is a clear winner, but we all kind of disagreed. And that's a little bit rare. Like, we usually broadly agree. Cry Me a River ran away with it in 2003.
Starting point is 00:30:54 And Love Machine was a fairly consistent, highly high pick in 2004. But this year, there's going to be some surprises. So, is this a bit Al Vida saying principle? Like, where something that we've all voted third wins? Not quite, but there's some that have got high on that basis, and some that are low
Starting point is 00:31:13 because only one of us really loves it. So, on that note, in 10th place we have Bad Day by Daniel Paltzer. Thanks, you two. I rated that very high. In ninth place, it's Gold Digger
Starting point is 00:31:29 by Kanye West. Oh. Wow. Hey. Yeah. In eighth place, it's Somewhere Else by Razorlight.
Starting point is 00:31:37 Okay. I'm surprised by how much I like that one. Yeah. Yeah, their first album has some good stuff on it. In seventh place, it's Empty Souls by Manic Street Creatures. Yeah, their first album has some good stuff on it. In seventh place it's Empty Souls by Manic Street Creatures.
Starting point is 00:31:47 Yeah, good song. Sixth place it's Ponder Replay by Rihanna. So, the top five. It's been mentioned already, it's Let Me Love You by Mario. In fifth place. Number four it's City of Blinding Lights by U2 sorry this is like second bottom
Starting point is 00:32:14 for me number 3 it is Only You by Ashanti yes I don't remember how amazing this was yeah in 2nd place Just missing out Not only second in the charts But second in our chart as well
Starting point is 00:32:29 It's Signs by Charlie Wilson Justin Timberlake and Snoop Dogg Born to Run Her Up twice then There is only one quite clear winner This year Which not all of us absolutely adored But we all rated it highly The winner of this year's Born to Run Her Up trophy
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Starting point is 00:33:34 The Christmas Day top 10 in 2005 was as follows. Kicking us off at number 10, it's a brand new entry for Coldplay with a little help from Kraftwerk, it's Talk. Another new entry at number 9 for Girls Loud This Time with See The Day. At 8, down 4 from 4, it's a former number 1, Hung Up Madonna. from four it's a former number one hung up Madonna it's another former number one at seven down four from three pussycat dolls and stick with you number six down one from five it's crazy frog and his jingle bells Another new entry, this time at number 5 for Eminem
Starting point is 00:34:25 It's When I'm Gone At 4, down 2 from 2, it's Westlife and Diana Ross With When You Tell Me That You Love Me Which means we are entering our Christmas Day 2005 top 3 And it is a massive festive re-entry at number three for the Pogues and Kirstie McColl with Fairy Tale of New York. At number two on Christmas Day it's last week's number one it is Nislopi with JCB or the JCB song which means that the Christmas number one for 2005
Starting point is 00:35:11 he's not here to say he's sorry he's here to say he's sorry it is this You know where I come from You know my story You know why I'm standing here Tonight Please don't go Don't be in a hurry
Starting point is 00:35:51 I'm here to make it clear Make it right Well, I know I've acted foolish But I promise you no more. I finally thought it through I'm not here to let your love go I'm not giving up, oh no I'm here to win your heart and soul That's my goal Please don't go
Starting point is 00:36:50 You know that I need you I can't breathe without you Live without you Be without you Well I know I've acted foolish But I promise you No more No more
Starting point is 00:37:12 I'm not here to say I'm sorry I'm not here to lie to you I'm not here to say I'm ready That I finally thought it through I'm not here to let you know That I finally thought it through That I finally thought it through I'm not here to say I'm ready And I've finally thought it through I'm not here to let your love go I'm not giving up, oh no
Starting point is 00:37:33 I'm here to win your heart and soul That's my goal Well, I won't stop believing that we will be living together So when I say I love you I mean it forever and ever Forever and ever I'm not here to say I'm sorry I'm not here to say I'm sorry I'm not here to say I'm sorry I'm not here to lie to you I'm here to say I'm ready
Starting point is 00:38:16 That I finally thought it through I'm not here to let your love go I'm not giving up, oh no I'm here to win your heart and soul That's why I'm here, baby I'm here to win your heart and soul That's my goal Okay, this is That's My Goal by Shane Ward.
Starting point is 00:38:49 Released as the lead single from his debut studio album titled Shane Ward. That's My Goal is Shane Ward's first single to be released in the UK and his first to reach number one. However, it is the last time that we'll be discussing shane on this podcast that's my goal went straight in at number one as a brand new entry knocking nizlopi off the top of the charts it stayed at number one for four weeks in its first week atop the charts it sold 742,000 copies beating competition from the songs you just heard about in week two it sold 132,000 copies in a week where there were no new entries in the entire top 100 and in week three not one it sold 54,000 copies beating Munich by Editors, which got to number 10. And in its fourth and final week at the top, it sold 32,000 copies, beating competition from
Starting point is 00:39:53 Break the Night with Color by Richard Ashcroft, which got to number three. I'll Be Ready by Sunblock, which got to number four. Sleep by Texas, which got to number six. And Heartbeats by Jose Gonzalez, which got to number nine. When it was knocked off the top of the charts, That's My Goal fell four places to number five. By the time it was done on the charts, it had been inside the Tottenham 100 for 23 weeks. The song is currently officially certified two times
Starting point is 00:40:26 platinum, so double platinum in the UK as of 2023. Andy, take it away. Well, I will aim to summarise this song and do it justice. That's my goal. I'm inspired by Shane. I will say,
Starting point is 00:40:43 first of all, I don't really want to diminish the achievement of four weeks at number one with your debut single. That's really great, obviously, but I do think that's probably the quietest four weeks we have ever encountered on the show so far. The bloody editors nearly got number one.
Starting point is 00:40:59 Richard Ashcroft nearly got number one. That was a quiet month. So, you know. All respect to Shane but it's not exactly October 2006 is it? Spoilers for that. So this. I don't quite know
Starting point is 00:41:16 how I feel about it a lot of the time because everybody does remember that chorus. It is quite a catchy chorus. But it's a bit generic this isn't it i think this really sets that mold uh that was probably codified by evergreen and all this time from pop idol but this is i think the one which really kind of sets that cliche i've done it i've won the show all my dreams have come true you know that really predictable chord progression and, you know,
Starting point is 00:41:47 the big lift that comes with the choruses, the whole inspirational feel to it, you know, this is definitely the one, I think, where that starts to become a cliché and it starts to appear quite generic. Which I think is a little bit of a shame, because I think Shane Ward's got more to him than that. I think, if I remember rightly, they weren't yet at the point with talent shows where they figured out that you need to give them a break
Starting point is 00:42:11 after the debut single and then come back with the proper album where they'll launch themselves properly. But in any case, he's better than this material, really. He did have a couple of quite catchy songs that followed up after this. I was always, I mean, I'm not sure how good it actually is, but I was always a little bit fond of No You Hang Up. But yeah, he definitely isn't served well by this very, very generic song. The lyrics are, I mean, is it even worth talking about the lyrics?
Starting point is 00:42:43 I think the production is sort of downright funny, to be honest, and we'll get to that a bit more in a minute about the production. But yes, it's very, very standard X Factor fur, and I don't think it's actively bad in any way, but I can definitely see how after a few more of these, people are really going to get tired of basically the same song, getting to number one every year um and in retrospect this one is definitely just a run of the mill one of the conveyor belt x-factor singles that was churned out but i do have to
Starting point is 00:43:16 defend that chorus i do think like still everybody remembers that this is no when you believe by leon jackson or skyscraper by Sam Bailey. People do remember this. And Shane Ward's gone on to have a pretty good career. So I think actually the memory cheats a little bit here. And actually this was quite a legitimate success. But it's not great. It's not the greatest song that I've ever heard
Starting point is 00:43:42 by a long chalk. But it's fine. There's much, much worse X Factor singles than this. It's just super, super cheesy and very generic. Yeah, not much else to say, to be honest. The thing with Shane Ward, like you were saying about, you know, them maybe not reaching that stage yet where they knew to wait and then do the relaunch.
Starting point is 00:44:03 This was still in the top 40 when no promises came out so like you know i think that they didn't wait really and they had a lot of stuff like kind of like ready to go they waited like 12 weeks and i think it was still hanging around the top 40 definitely the top 75 by then they didn't leave it for a while and then come back with something bigger like we'll see sort of a little bit further down the line definitely with it's next year isn't it Leona and that's like the
Starting point is 00:44:33 ultimate success of it I think because that worked so well for Leona they did it every other year after that but it's easy to forget that that was not always the way and Shane Ward had to you know scrap it out right from the start, really. So all credit to him that he did kind of do quite well for a little while. Lizzie, how about you?
Starting point is 00:44:53 Pretty much agree entirely with Andy on this. I think Shane is a rare case of the right person winning the X Factor. I agree. In many ways, he's everything that steve brookstein wasn't like he's handsome he's humble and most importantly he's young jesus christ the roast of steve brookstein happening here listen like steve brookstein had qualities that endeared him to the public like in many ways he was a bit of an underdog he was also kind of a grizzled vet i think a lot of the x-factor viewing public saw themselves in him but the problem with that is that pop music is inherently ageist your chances of having a big hit after the age of 30 are much
Starting point is 00:45:40 slimmer if you're not an already established star like Madonna or Elton John. So it makes sense that a younger star would be preferable to win the X Factor to the likes of Simon Cowell. Plus the fact that they're also less likely to be outspoken. They're less likely to step outside the lines because they're perhaps not aware of the business side of music and they've not been around they've not encountered the likes of Cowell that I'm sure people like Steve Brookstein would have done a hundred times but yeah going back to Shane this is his only number one as you mentioned but I had admittedly forgotten that he came close to a second number one on multiple occasions. I had misremembered him as a sort of one and done winner like Steve
Starting point is 00:46:32 Brookstein or Leon Jackson, no offence. Call that a blind spot on my part but I feel like this sort of thing sets a singer up for failure because the journey is more important than the destination and this kind of winner's song ballad always has a sense of like finality to it like this is they they've won the x factor and that's it it's like you close the book at this point there's a sense of like this is the ending this is something i'm gonna kind of get into where like i find that winner's songs they really struggle to juggle the fact that it's the end and the beginning at the same time i think that they they do struggle with like having to find that sweet spot and in the end the song just ends up being about nothing because they can't
Starting point is 00:47:23 make it too much about it being the end or the beginning they have to juggle both parts but sorry sorry carry on i mean it could be that the the main chorus lyric and the title tries to to work around this by looking ahead rather than behind like i'm here to win your heart and soul that's my goal the problem is it's a vague sentiment that sounds less like a statement of intent and more like something you'd say in like an annual performance review winning your heart and soul is one of my key performance indicators for the year ahead and i aim to accomplish that goal by keeping my line manager informed and engaging in work like like you know what i mean definitely the title of the song is my biggest problem with it i think it is a bit inherently just flat as a
Starting point is 00:48:14 phrase isn't it that's my goal it's just yeah it's it's like use something a bit more expressive a bit more poetic than that like it's my it's my biggest dream or it's like it's my calling, it's my destiny. Don't be like it's my goal because you're right, it sounds like it's my KPI basically. Yeah, like everything from the song itself to Shane Ward's performance of it is pretty middling, like not great but not terrible but I really do have a problem with that's my goal as a sentiment because it draws attention to the real possibility of failure. Ooh, yeah. Failure to meet that goal.
Starting point is 00:48:54 It's like saying, I'm here to win your heart and soul. Wish me luck. Or I'm here to win your heart and soul. We'll see how it goes, but it could go either way perhaps i'm overthinking this i don't think the average pop buyer in 2005 is thinking this but for a brand new artist being launched into an ultra-competitive pop market a lyric like that suggests a lack of confidence maybe that's justified given the outcomes of previous talent show winners that we've covered but Shane Ward really did seem like the right man at the right time. Just going back
Starting point is 00:49:33 to 2002 when we covered Sound of the Underground on that Christmas episode I think we had a discussion about how talent show winners never got to make a statement like that ever again if girls allowed had won x factor in 2004 or 2005 there's every chance that they would have been given something like i'll stand by you as their debut single yeah like there's definitely worse examples of winner songs than this but like Girls Aloud Shane Ward seemed like a sure thing whereas Sound of the Underground played to Girls Aloud's strengths that's my goal makes Shane Ward seem unambitious and destined to fail which isn't actually representative of his actual career like you say Andy he's been very successful not just in music
Starting point is 00:50:25 but perhaps his biggest impact has been in acting and he's not that much older than us so he still has a lot of road ahead of him it's just that this is such an empty statement on you know coming out to the world and presenting yourself as the next big thing it already seems like the story's done at this point and if you stop paying attention then you're not going to miss anything which just isn't true so yeah bit of a shame this yeah i'm not gonna beat around the bush with this this is obviously a bit naff uh it does all of the things that we have hated on westlife for in the past you know the slow rise from vocals and piano to vocals and piano and strings and drums to vocals and piano and strings and drums and a choir and but it's just like there's something so
Starting point is 00:51:28 strangely kind of fascinating about this though because like evergreen a winner's song that sort of doubles as a victory lap but also a romantic encounter but it's trying to go bigger and louder and all Hollywood in a way that Evergreen felt quite, you know, quaint and sweet, you know. And it makes sense because it was written by Per Magnusson, who did Evergreen as well. Yeah, it's fairly middling, you know, slightly charming, slightly outdated, slightly dreary ballad that you know goes along fairly nicely without ruffling any feathers i think um looking back i think with full hindsight i don't think that there was i mean kate thornton says on the night that there's 1.2 percent in it the vote and i don't know if i don't buy that yeah i don't know because like the reason that i do think that at some point in the 2000s pop like you say it becomes even more
Starting point is 00:52:39 ageist than it already was i feel like is, by the time that streaming comes in, and nowadays it is exclusively a kids' game, because we're like, you know, late 20s, early 30s. My parents knew more about the charts in 2005, and my dad was 45, my mum was 42 at that time. It felt like they were active participants but nowadays I just feel like
Starting point is 00:53:10 the way that everything's become so fractured and the way that things get into the charts it feels a little bit like it's become very much a young person's game and I think maybe things like Andy Abraham not winning X Factor and not really having much of a success afterwards. I know he
Starting point is 00:53:26 represented us at Eurovision one year, but in terms of chart success, he has a couple of songs that make it into the top 75, but not the top 40. His albums do okay. I seem to remember his first album, The Impossible Dream. I think that gets placed fairly well uh on the charts um but then he gets given this album which is called soul man and it's just motown covers um looking back that feels a bit you know like you know just kind of like ignorantly typecasting him a little bit yeah um but i do think as well with That's My Goal that it kind of limits the things
Starting point is 00:54:09 that Shane Ward can do afterwards because he can't make with Sound of the Underground it was like whoa these could do anything they could go anywhere, they could do any kind of song next.
Starting point is 00:54:25 They could do something slow, something fast. Girls Aloud had quite a wide repertoire of things that they were capable of doing, whereas Shane Ward, to just kind of start him off as a ballad, if he came in with anything fast in the future, it'd be a bit like, whoa there, who's this? What's this huge remodeling thing and i do think he was always a little bit hamstrung by that um i do think that you know we were kind of chatting before i didn't know that he'd basically had to he had to briefly step away from singing
Starting point is 00:54:56 for a while because he had nodules yeah i didn't know this either yeah it's similar to adele but obviously shane ward as much as you know his launch from The X Factor was very successful, it's not like where Adele has built a fan base over time, a huge fan base over time, to the point where she doesn't even really have a fan base. She's just universally popular. She's kind of grown beyond a fan base, and now everybody likes her. So she can take five years off to give her voice
Starting point is 00:55:25 arrest she doesn't have to go on tour to sell the albums and all that kind of stuff whereas shane ward probably couldn't have taken five years off can you imagine him coming back in 2010 like hey guys it's me i won the x factor and everyone's sort of turning looking at him going yeah yeah who are you like you know that's so you know he has to keep going i do think though that had shane ward been allowed to been able to continue uh or if he hadn't gone onto tv i can imagine him doing things like uh that jason derulo would have done like in my head and uh the one that goes i will teach you i will teach you, I will teach you, from like 2017. That kind of like, you know, peppy kind of like dance pop stuff with the, you know, the boyish kind of like falsetto thing.
Starting point is 00:56:15 I think that would have, yeah, I think he would have been able to do stuff like that. But, you know, he kind of, I think he is, I think you could say that he is definitely one of the X-Factor's success stories. I don't think he's a Steve Brookstein or a Leon Jackson or a Joe McKeldry or Sam Bailey. They get forgotten about a little bit. I mean, obviously, Joe McKeldry, I think he made a pretty good career on the stage. And even the acts that get dropped, they use the fact that they won the won the x factor to have very comfortable employment for the rest of their lives and so you could say that they're the real winners too but in terms of how simon cowell would view it um in the ruthless uh money numbers kind of way i think yeah shane is still a success i think you
Starting point is 00:57:02 know a handful of top 10 singles a big number one career on TV because of it you know there's a moment after he wins where Kate Thornton sort of goes to ask him a question and in the heat of the moment I think she says something that sounds a bit sounds like she's sort of making fun of him a little
Starting point is 00:57:20 bit where she goes so Shane you're sort of looking out and what do you think what are you looking forward to most about your better life and it's like i don't think she quite meant it as like your life shit and now it's you know you're like it was shit and now it's great i think it's more like well you're the most famous person in the country now because like they do this whole thing where andy peters presses a button on a machine while talking to him oh yeah and they get him to print the seat the machine prints the cd and they have all these people in white coats who bring the cd forward and give it to andy peters and then andy peters is going there you
Starting point is 00:57:55 go shane there's your first singles people round all around the country who want this it's being fast-tracked to radio stations for the morning, and it'll be available to buy on Wednesday. There you go. And so they do this big launch, and then Kate Thornton's like, well, what do you think about your better life? But at least with this, it doesn't commit the crime that Michelle McManus's did, where it made her sound old. And I thought that was unfair,
Starting point is 00:58:24 and it fitted into the cruel way that she was characterized as untrendy and unpopular and not worthy of the competition i think at least with this shane ward is given something like will young with evergreen where it feels like he's being respected at least um as as an artist so at least i could say that much for it um now there is a rather key component of that's my goal that we've not yet discussed and that's because we're going to save it for this special bit um so Andy, you can first discuss the, um, that moment. Can I get a key
Starting point is 00:59:11 change? Yes, so, I am a big connoisseur of key changes. I think when they're done effectively, they can be one of the greatest things that can happen in a pop song. When they're done badly, they can be the very worst thing that can happen in a pop song. And I think what makes a bad one is when it's unsignposted and inorganic.
Starting point is 00:59:36 And this is the least signposted key change I think I can recall. Because they have to stop the entire song to accommodate it. They don't just like do the key change. They sing a line without it, stop and then start again with the key change. It's like someone didn't edit it together properly. Like someone forgot to press rewind and do it over in logic.
Starting point is 01:00:00 And so it's just like, we've got two recordings spliced together. It's just a hideous hideous key change and so much so that it's kind of iconic in a so bad it's good way like it's truly awful in a way that is artistic
Starting point is 01:00:15 it's just so so bad that key change and it knocks a full like four points off of this song like well maybe not four that's going over the top. But it's so, so bad. I can't believe that that way of doing the key change is what made it out of the editing studio.
Starting point is 01:00:35 It's both the best and worst thing about this song, and so it deserves to be talked about in its own right. It's just amazing. Yeah, I totally agree. it's just the way that it like clatters in i remember we did um fool again by westlife and i said it sounded like someone falling down the stairs yeah yeah it's got that that same like song just stops on a dime like here to say i'm sorry like moment's like, here to say I'm sorry, moment. I'm not here to say I'm sorry.
Starting point is 01:01:09 It's absurd. Rob, you shared with us a little edit of how it could have been done in a nicer way, and it's so much better. And you're just some guy. You're not a multi-million pound producer. It amazes me me this got past anybody like it's so first draft you think no get rid of that that's so sort of clunky and like clumsy it doesn't work it just sounds stupid yeah i maybe, I don't know if we are,
Starting point is 01:01:45 but we could be developing a reputation as a podcast that are relatively anti-key change. No, not me. I just want to stress we are not anti-key change at all. There is a key change coming up in a song next year, which me and Andy, we may have to carve out a whole other episode just to talk about that key change and how good it is. But with this, before I go into this, I will say it does need saying that this is the third fastest selling single of all time in the UK.
Starting point is 01:02:19 And Shane's story on the X Factor in combination of the song, it must feel like a tremendous crowning moment. You know, Simon Cowell will obviously feel this way too it's a hello a victory lap you know all sorts of things and it clearly did very well for him even if he couldn't hide his mank accent you know i'm not here to say i'm sorry don't be in a hurry um yeah i do find adorable looking back because he's, what, 21 when this breaks out? And so, yeah, fair play to him. But, oh, good God, this key change. I just, when I was listening to it this week, I thought my kind of rule for, like, you know, good key changes that don't, you know, like like make me feel queasy are that they're done in secret in the the verse before the final chorus like if you're going to do a key change just do it like eight
Starting point is 01:03:13 bars before you know just sneak it in and then when you get to the final chorus it's like oh we've we've we've done a key change i did i didn't realize you know that sort of thing you you know sly dog etc et cetera, et cetera. And obviously there's loads of examples of very sudden key changes that I actually quite like. Well, I mean, it's kind of, it's not really a key change. It's actually reverting to the original key, which obviously is Penny Lane, the Beatles.
Starting point is 01:03:41 But again, like, you know, master songwriters, not going to really their their qualities too much because they speak for themselves but yeah with this the more I started listening to it the more I thought why didn't they do it at the bit where he goes and I won't stop believing that we will be leaving together Yeah Because yeah just do it then Because if you take it up two semitones Which I think this Because it goes from D to E If you take it up slightly and it goes
Starting point is 01:04:13 And I won't stop believing that we will be leaving together And then by the time he gets to the final chorus There is no transition Which means you don't need to do the stop And the start And then the stop and then the stop and then the start again it you just need to just ease into it and i feel like the start and the pause and the silence and the sudden start again it is one of the most unforgettable key changes in pop
Starting point is 01:04:40 and one of the most breathtaking ones that we've covered on this show but for all the wrong reasons i feel like it's designed specifically for the music video because i i kind of thought back to steve brookstein where the only version of the steve brookstein song against all odds online is is is the video where kate thornton shouts, Steve! And so I thought, they've clearly, and they do it again in this video, where they have the silence where they go, I'm not here to say I'm sorry.
Starting point is 01:05:13 And then Kate Thornton goes, Shane! He's got a better life! And it's the same thing. And they even give Kate Thornton her own moment. It's like they carve the silence out of the song just to stick her in. And then because they've done that, they thought, well, we may as well go up. And then the strings wind up and, oh, God.
Starting point is 01:05:32 But on record, like, it's just the most uninvited, unbearable decision. So the point where, like, I physically screw my face up and go, like, when it happens, it is a really uncomfortable moment. You know, I will say that Shaneane does a decent pretty bang up job of trying to match it of performing it but crikey he's been given shit to deal with clearly a successful decision but i don't necessarily think that makes it a good one i think that instead of easing into it they kind of wham it down our throat and it's something that you just sort of it's like sitting and admiring it but in a way that's like well i mean it is a phenomenon but like one i don't really want to look at it's kind of like what if the aurora borealis wasn't a beautiful
Starting point is 01:06:25 light show but just gravy in the sky like i just you know just like you sort of like whoa that is incredible but it's oh god it's very unappealing isn't it and like and you wouldn't want to see it again you'd be like i'll turn the light show back on like that sort of thing. Yeah, but it is so special that we just had to dedicate an entire segment to it because it is remarkable. I think like, you know, I mean, there must be people younger than us listening to this
Starting point is 01:06:53 and people older than us listening to this and going like, what's the big deal? It's just a bad key change. But I think if you're 11 to 14 years old and watching The X Factor and you remember Shane, you remember the hysteria you remember the song you remember everything about it and then you look back and go jesus christ
Starting point is 01:07:13 it's like it's a proper like i am definitely a different person i am to the person that i was when i was 11 which also obviously should go without saying but like this is one of those moments that really makes you understand that time passes and your perspective on things changes a lot. And I think that's probably why we've done a whole segment on it. Because me and Andy,
Starting point is 01:07:33 me and you, we've talked about this key change independently of this podcast on and off for a long time. Because it's... The reason for that was it had been a sizable stretch since I'd heard this song
Starting point is 01:07:47 between probably about 2006 and like 2015 or something. I hadn't heard this song like at all and I'd forgotten all about the key change. So I had it in the car once and I think you might have actually been there, Rob, but it was the first time I'd heard it for years. I've no idea why it was on.
Starting point is 01:08:02 And when it happened, I just like physically lurched. I was just like, oh, what? What was that? I've never quite forgotten it. It's iconic. Can I just say a few more things on this, by the way? I feel like it's worth acknowledging for context what I consider some of the other
Starting point is 01:08:17 worst key changes of all time. I think there's a top three for me and this is one of them, in any particular order. This one. There there's also you know when Glead and Don't Stop Believin not the one from the very first episode but in their season one finale Glead did a version of Don't Stop Believin
Starting point is 01:08:34 where it just literally pitch shifted up you can tell it's not a real key change it just goes up and it's like the worst key change ever and also Turn Back Time by Cher as much as I love Cher that that does the extraordinary thing of doing a key change mid chorus like halfway through the chorus it goes up it I mean that is just wild so those are the most awful ones I think
Starting point is 01:09:00 and I have to acknowledge that yeah I think what we should assemble for when we come to a particular song in 2006 is our favourite key changes of all time we should extol the virtues of wonderful key changes and why just one other thing I wanted to say on this I do like the theory of that key change being there just for the music video
Starting point is 01:09:19 hadn't considered that and that's a very good theory I do have an alternative theory though which is that you know we took the piss out of you raise me up for being made for going through to live shows moments I think this could have been engineered just for that
Starting point is 01:09:36 you could get the playing in the background I'm not here to say I'm sorry you're through I'm not here to say I'm sorry I think it might have been made specifically specifically to license it out to the next series of x-factor for free and for use of that moment i honestly think that could be why they did it to to fit in a you're through moment yeah it's it's a liminal key change yeah to me it's like the second funniest key change of all time uh one behind um you know
Starting point is 01:10:09 the peanut song in shooting stars i do actually yeah whereas it's just matt lucas in a track suit like just standing there and she's like peanuts in front of this like over this like farty synth track and it just goes off of it at the end and I don't know why it's so funny. It's just watching Matt Lucas just stood there corpsing this horrible synth track and there's a key change in it.
Starting point is 01:10:36 Alright then, Andy, so you have the honour of revealing our bottom five songs of 2005 before revealing our top ten. So, take it away. Yes, so, we have what I think could be considered a couple of surprise entries here.
Starting point is 01:10:55 I think the bottom five is, for one or two songs, a little harsh, but let's see what you think. So, our fifth worst song of the year, with an average score of 4.5 is Lonely by Akon which I think is it's a little harsh to be honest and just by literally half a point beat out That's My Goal. That's My Goal was our sixth lowest rated song of the year. Our fourth worst song of the year, which I think really could have been the very worst,
Starting point is 01:11:29 is Against All Odds by Steve Brookstein with an average score of 3.5. Wow, we survived the bottom three. Yeah. I think if not for the Westlife version, it probably would have been, but it's slightly better than that one. Well, funny you should
Starting point is 01:11:45 mention Westlife. Our third worst song of the year is You Raise Me Up by Westlife with an average score of 3.3. And so the very dregs, our second worst song of the year is Over and Over by Nelly and Tim McGraw with an average score of 3.2. That really was awful. Jesus, the wooden spoon will really be going to a stinker then. So, the very worst number one of 2005, maybe somewhat predictably, but it is, undeniably,
Starting point is 01:12:23 Crazy Frog with Axl F. Sorry, Froggy. No, you just don't cut it. So, moving on to happier times. And so, our top ten of the year. Coming in at number ten with an average score of 6.8, it's Elvis Presley with One Night Slash I Got Stung. Okay. Oh.
Starting point is 01:12:42 Yeah. Just beating that out With an average score of 7 Is Goodies by Kira and Petey Pablo Oh Wow okay Right from the start of the year At number 8 it's Elvis Presley
Starting point is 01:12:57 With It's Now or Never With an average score of 7.2 You've done quite well Elvis I'll say that We don't discriminate on this show. Even if it's a song from the 60s, we'll put it in. Oh, no. We'll get it in there.
Starting point is 01:13:09 Number seven for the year is I'll Be Okay by McFly with an average score of 7.3. And they did indeed do okay in our charts. Well done, boys. At number six, it's Elvis Presley With Jailhouse Rock An average score of 7.8 That is quite remarkable actually To get 3 songs in the top 10
Starting point is 01:13:31 We do have 5 very Very solid songs Plugging up our top 5 this year It's quite close at the top So with an average score of 8 And vaulted by all 3 of us It is Hung Up by Madonna. Okay, yeah, awesome.
Starting point is 01:13:48 And at number 4, with an average score of 8.2, vaulted by Rob and Lizzy but not me, it is Push the Button by Sugar Babes. Ah, yeah. So this top 3, I mean this top 3, it is, it's's stacked it's a very good top 3 I think so coming in in third place with an average score of 8.6 it is all about you slash you've got a friend by McFly which I have to say would have been my personal favorite beer that got my highest score of the year but I'm happy to make the top three at least in number two with an average score of the year. But I'm happy it's made the top three, at least. In number two, with
Starting point is 01:14:25 an average score of 9.2, the second place for this year goes to Dare by Gorillaz. Ooh. Wow. Yeah. Wow, what a top three this is. Vaulted by all three of us, and that was Rob's favourite song of the year, according to
Starting point is 01:14:42 the scores. So, may I please bring on the inimitable Britney Spears. Hello Britney. Britney is here to hand over the crown to this year's winner of the HIT21 Record of the Year trophy. Thank you Britney. So the winner with an average score of 9.3 just just beating out gorillas this year's winner is I Bet You Look Good on the Dance Floor by Arctic
Starting point is 01:15:09 Monkeys. Appropriate. Very appropriate. And that's our first male group or first male winner of any description. So it's taken until halfway through the noughties for us to get there. We have just now got the very first male winner.
Starting point is 01:15:31 One of the, well, definitely the first actual band to win it as well. Everything else has been straight down the line pop music that's won it up until now. This is our first rock band winner. There won't be too many of them, I don't think, so it's nice that we get this moment in the sun. Yeah, well done Arctic Monkeys. This rock and roll thing, eh? Or just won't die.
Starting point is 01:15:54 Well, thank you very much to both of you and for our listeners for following our progress through 2005. Just before we go, we're just going to check. That's my goal. Is anybody putting it in the pie hole? No. No. Actually, no.
Starting point is 01:16:11 I think it's fine between the vault and the pie hole. Yeah, just avoids the pie hole for me. What about you, Lizzie? Yeah, underformed on its KPIs for the year. Hopefully proven going into 2006 but Overall meeting Targets just about We want the line to go up
Starting point is 01:16:32 Shane up the line must always Go up so that is it for this Week's episode and that's it for 2005 thank you very Much for listening and we're going to take a Week off when we come back We will be taking our first step into 2006. We will see you then. Bye-bye.
Starting point is 01:16:51 See you. Bye-bye.

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