Hits 21 - BONUS: Top of the Pops, June 1994
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Hi there, everyone, and welcome back to HITS21, where me, Rob, me, Lizzie, and me, Ed,
usually look back at every single UK number one of the 90s or the 2000s,
but we're in our little mini bonus episode series while Andy's away in New Zealand,
and this is the last of the Top of the Pops trilogy, which I'm now calling that.
I'm now calling it the Top of the Pops trilogy, and we'll be looking back at the episode
that's the closest to my...
birth date, which is the 30th of June 1994.
So we will play a quick clip just to get everybody immersed in the Top of the Pops universe in
1994.
I'll run down the list of performances on the episode and then we're just going to get
straight into it like we did the last two times.
So here's a clip.
We're these animal men.
See us later on Top of the Pops.
And it's number one TV music leader
And it's top of the park
We can be with Julian Robbins now
And Gordon the little
Yeah
And it's good old
What's his face again
Bruno
He's still
He's still hanging around
So when it's not Bruno
These are the performances from this episode
And there are a lot of mind
performances on this episode, only one music video and one live performance, which wasn't done
in the studio, but we have. So, caught in the middle by Juliet Roberts. Crazy for you by
Let Loose. Go On Move by Real to Real featuring the Mad Stunt Man. I don't like Mondays by the
Boomtown Rats, which is a music video. Shaker Maker by Oasis, Ghetto Day by Crystal
Waters, Speed King by these animal men, swamp thing by the grid,
Love is All Around by Wet, Wet, which is a live performance from Wembley.
And living in the sunshine by a clubhouse featuring Carl closes the episode.
So usually I would kick to Ed and Lizzie to see what they thought of the episode,
because it's the episode that was nearest to their birthday.
But it's the nearest to my birthday, and yet I still feel like I can't because I've been talking for too long.
So, Ed, what did you make of this 30th of June 1994 episode of T-O-T-P?
Yeah, this is about the time I was watching the show.
I remember this intro.
I remember that being the theme music for Top of the Pops,
just like I remember the less famous second Grange Hill theme better than I remember the first.
But yeah, that said, I think.
I think I watched this episode, because I remember one of the performances will come to, like, acutely. However, the rest of it, not so much. I think there are things on this episode that do freshen it up a bit, that we've not ended in the previous couple. I think on the whole, the actual using the recording of the band, but doing the live vocal works on the whole, in the way it didn't with the one example we had in the
91 episode
but I get the impression
and you can go as I'm not as
harsh on this episode as
you folk are nonetheless
as I was just saying to Lizzie
before the show
not big on peaks is it
even the top
even the top 40
seems a bit barren
there's nothing I
actively am like aghast
at what I'll say
in advance is I think
it doesn't have quite the lows of the
1986 episode
doesn't have you know
insane hawkman and his bizarre
like synthy soul experiment or
whisper was it whisper
whistle what were they called whistle
whistle whistle
well they left a whisper of an impression
on the national consciousness anyway
but as I say they were fascinatingly shite
weren't they it was something slightly bizarre
and off putting about them
Yeah.
But whereas here, there is some crap on this episode, but it's kind of dull crap.
One thing I'll say about this, though, is that this is a little bit less cut and dry than the past two episodes for me, where there are some songs where I'm like, the performance is good, the song itself is ass, and I think we'll come to it.
There is one point in the show that it's like, why is this here?
Why is this taking so much time?
Why is this taken up so much time in my life?
Yeah, I can't offer that much of a different assessment, to be honest.
Lizzie, what about you?
I feel like we should have introed this episode like,
We're Robert and Lizzie, hear us later on It's 21.
We'll be playing football girl.
So a new single football girl.
We're Steve, Steve, Steve and Steve.
Here is later on top of that.
The main things I took away from this episode, I completely agree with the U.S.
like this is an episode low on peaks there is one trough but i guess it's not a product of 94
as it's just a crap song but we'll come to that anyway i would say that from what i can glean
pop soul is very big at this point and throughout the mid 90s but it's already settled into
kind of a holding pattern by this point so there's nothing really that raises above like
Ech, I guess, it's a relief to not see the lighthouse family on this episode, because I know they were knocking about.
I think more interestingly, it kind of shows both the real future of British rock music in Oasis, but also the alternative future of British rock music that never quite came to pass in these animal men.
Like, clearly the BBC thought the latter would go on to bigger and better.
things since they gave them a feature spot at the start of the episode that they usually
reserve for like the number one artist and even later on bruno brooks kind of brushed
off oasis a bit with his indie or not comment i think there's a sense that the bbc or top
of the pops don't really know where pop is heading so it's just kind of throwing things at the wall
and seeing what sticks but it's not going in the direction it seems to think it's going
Yeah, with these animal men and Oasis being put side by side like this, it's kind of like the BBC having to make a call about what the second wave of Britpop is going to look like after the first wave is kind of over.
And they think that it's going to be this new wave of new wave lot that are coming through.
like these animal men and smash
and I mean
Sheds ever made a good go of it
but instead it's more
oasis who are there and they get
a good feature but yeah they don't
get what animal flan animals get
at the start of the episode
I do not
think I don't think this is a good episode
at all I think this finds the
90s and top of the pops in a very funny
place where it feels like stasis
is set in a bit
the episode feels like it's defined by lots of
pedestrian and forgettable songs that remind me of the worst of 90s pop where the gimmicks
are louder than the actual genre. A lot of interesting developments from the 80s are flattened
out and where the songs seem to rely on artificiality so much that they start to sound fake. And
like I have no issue with artificiality in pop in principle or things sounding fake. Like I love
heavy auto tune and PC music and all that stuff. But I mean fake in the sense that some of these
songs just sound like stock music.
Even the house entries, which
take a bit from soul and rap,
they offer very little. Everything's
very chintzy. Everything feels very false.
And the only thing you've really
got to break that atmosphere is
Oasis doing what is probably the
worst song from Definitely Maybe.
I would say definitely the worst
song from Definitely Maybe, in my
opinion. I still don't mind Shaker
Maker even if it is The Seekers
but gnarly via John Lennon
style nonsense non-secretary.
but then you've got the man animals, oh my God,
when they appeared at the start of the episode,
I immediately Googled them and like,
yep, Top of the Pops is in a weird period now
where they're prominently featuring bands
who have never, even to this day,
have never had a top 40 single,
even after appearing on top of the Pops.
You can imagine the meetings like, yeah,
this is what the kids want, like, yeah, yeah, yeah.
And then nobody buys their records.
Yeah.
And it's like, oh, dear.
There are highish points for me, not major peaks, but we'll talk about it more in a bit.
But it's, I guess, like, hearing love is all around in the context that it maybe was designed to be heard is fine.
You know, Liam Gallagher's voice penetrating through the sheen of everything else in 94 is worth it, even if it's not lived forever or cigarettes and alcohol.
But I think this is a major step down from last week, and I'd say even a step down.
down from the 86 episode, which itself was pretty middling.
I think this is a bad episode, purely because it is boring.
It is middle of the road.
I've been left with very little to say about a few things in this,
where even stuff like Whistle, we had a load of fun with that.
We even, to be honest, had a load of fun with Brian Adams last week.
Whereas with this, I'm like, I wonder where the conversations are going to go.
So strap in everyone.
Well, to be fair, I'll put you up on that.
We didn't have a load of fun with Brian Adams last week, did we?
We had a load of fun about everything else except.
Except for Brian Adams.
At least Brian Adams inspired the discussion.
But I guess with that, maybe there's proof that we can get blood out of any stone.
Check out this man from Brighton.
These animal men like this.
try and she's not my friend
She's a groovy teenage girl
She's doing all right by me
I'm so right
She's starting on
But if you get a river in a car
It's a long long ride
smashed up by stale
skating out of her mind
I'll skip for my hunger
I'm 22 at a corner
Ed, I'm going to come to you
That's part of
That's a different thing
Because this is the dichotomy
I was never
an oasis kid I didn't really get them
I wasn't really much of a rock kid anyway
I was all about blur
I mean you can read a bunch into that
about you know fucking middle class
Midlands kid yeah
of course I'm blur
but at the same time I'm like
I did grow an appreciation later on
for the Oasis debut in particular
that is a real
it's got it's potently swaggering
and it sounds fantastic
even if they do stretch a little, a long, long way.
They have sufficient cockiness that it actually works.
The exception to that, for me, as I've already intimated,
is that it is Shaker Maker, which I just find colossally dull.
And they were repeating themselves already,
because basically it uses the same turnaround hook
as rock and roll star
but it is tied again to
fucking I'd like to teach the world to sing
but just done at half the speed
of molasses and coastal erosion
and it's fucking
I've never liked it
I've never understood it
but the odd thing is
and I feel comfortable saying this
they are
in terms of presence
the most interesting thing
on the episode
because they are so...
It's interesting, as you say,
putting them back to back with
they might be marble men.
They might be men.
I don't fucking know.
What are they called?
Just normal men.
Just innocent men.
Just innocent men with football girl.
Yeah.
Putting them back to back.
It's like, in theory,
ordinary men
should be stealing the show.
Because there's a lot more...
There's a lot more...
technically speed tempo to the song.
They're moving around a lot more.
They've got their umbrot tops on.
It's like, yeah, we're young, full of life.
But it all seems so surface level.
And like they've just, you know, it's just an act that's been put on them.
And it's like, well, play into this.
Just pretend to be young kids who love football and girls.
And that's what your song's about.
And it's the same old shit that were like early blur singles were about.
Like, she's so high.
It's like, oh, she's running around my head.
She's making me dizzy.
Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh.
Oh, she's a magic girl.
Evasive girl.
Fuck off.
It doesn't even sound very new wavy,
so I don't know where the piss that's coming from.
The first note I put down for them is adequate grass.
If you get where I'm coming from,
it's like the tinsely,
flippant lightweight exterior of supergrass,
except not good.
And the weird thing is,
all of this energy and tinsel
and this symbolism of movement
and youth, Oasis
are fucking stock
still pretty much. They're arranged
like the front of a battleship
for some reason. I
think that's great though. I said it's like
it's really menacing. There's something wrong.
That's such a cool description though.
But it is. And they're like, the drummer
forcing his way into the front of the frame
and the lighting seems
darker and there's just
this, it's like a massive
middle finger, even the way that they're
arranged on the stage, like
probing into your space, whether you like
it or not. And there is such
a fucking, we are too big for this.
You're going to fucking like us if we play
the slowest, most boring dirge
ever. And they somehow get away
with it. Now, don't get me wrong, I sufficiently
hate the song that I did skip through it.
But just the
confidence, however manufactured
at this point, that
Liam particularly exudes,
Liam's presence, even the way he's fucking dressed.
It's like, oh, he's, say what you will about the group of their music.
This guy had something.
There's something magnetic and repellent, which is irresistible in rock and roll terms.
You know, that's classic Mick Jagger stuff, isn't it?
Something kind of off-putting, but also incredibly enticing.
And, you know, there's something slightly sacrilegious and holier than thou about them at the
same time. And it's amazing that they, they are, in retrospect, the most interesting thing
here. And that includes the fucking grid going wacky near the end. But we, should I mention that
now? Because it's not really going to come up in my, my high light either. Yeah. Yeah, I, this performance,
I completely forgot it was on this episode. This performance, I think, caused me to get by my first
ever single on cassette when I was eight with my pocket money.
Oh, wow.
From Asda.
This?
Because to an eight-year-old who had seen a video of Kraftwerk on Tomorrow's World when I was a kid
and was like, who were these people looking really serious playing on an oven?
And I was like, transfixed.
And I remember it was a clip on it was on Sounds of the 70s, which I recorded off the telly when I was five.
I loved Sounds at the 70s, sounds of the 60s, sounds of the 80s.
I was a weird kid, but I used to watch him on loop,
and so I had a very select experience of music of the past.
But they had this fascinating minute and a half clip from the 70s of Kraftwerk,
as I say, Tomorrow's World,
of them doing Autobahn, a live performance,
and it looked like they were playing on baking foil on the top of McGrans' oven,
and I was struggling to process what it is,
but they were fascinating to me.
And then I saw the grid,
and it was like,
there was some of that same wackiness.
It's like it had all been modernised,
but obviously, I mean, the craft work debt is really hard to look past.
And it is the most shallow thing in the world.
But for a young kid, it's like,
this is like Kraftwerk,
except there's someone underneath an industrial hair dryer
playing a banjo
and looking like the most serious person in the world.
Now, to be fair, in an episode full of like boring, frilly, loungey shit,
this is at least something.
It's at least visually interesting.
and it is probably on a surface level
the most visually interesting thing in the show
but I yeah looking back now it's like
you don't really need more than 45 seconds
but when you're eight years old
you can listen to the same 45 seconds multiple time
and convince yourself you're having a good time
I'll probably listen to the B sides as well to get my money's worth
Jesus Christ
I must have done
but yeah that the grid swamp thing
was my first ever single
and I remember this performance triggering it off
so yeah
but that's not my pick for the best
it's not my pick for the worst
it's there it's wacky
and it's a phase
so Lizzie
what about you
it feels like from something you said earlier
that this is maybe your
your least favourite bit of the episode
is the bit that wasn't really part of the episode
it was just inserted
rather than performed live
am I barking up the right tree
Yeah, I mean, I did go back and forth on some options, like, let loose.
The singer's cute, the little dance really fucking piss me off.
Real to real doing not I like to move it, move it.
Poor Crystal Waters having to be shipped in from America to perform the most boring song known to man.
They were no longer these animal boys.
They were these animal men.
And animal men with broken necks at the start.
I was like, are they all right?
Because they've all got their heads or what, so.
And, yeah, the grid doing their fucking deliverance dance, like, it's horrible.
But yeah, I have gone with, I don't like Mondays, by the Boomtown Rats.
The more I've listened to it, the more problems I seem to have with it.
I don't have a problem with the subject matter.
I think it's entirely possible to write an engaging piece of music.
about an uncomfortable subject, something like The Boiler by Rhoda Dachar springs to mind.
The problem was with the execution of it.
I found a quote from Tom Ewing, who runs the popular series on Freaky Trigger,
who describes the angle of this song as rubbernecking, which I think is a perfect description.
Deep down, I don't think Geldof really cares about Brenda Spencer or school shootings or anything like that.
It's just a morbid curiosity or, worse still, an excuse to make himself look intelligent.
It reminds me of those Facebook memes.
You know, like, I don't know, a couple in bed and they're both on opposite sides, like, staring at a screen.
And it's just like, makes you think, doesn't it?
Like, about what?
What's your point?
What are you trying to say?
Because you've got nothing to say.
Even the delivery of it.
You know, I think he's going for like an Elton John.
parody type thing, but it just comes off sounding like Tim Minchin or like a really bad
Victoria Wood impersonation. And the way he enunciates on this like the silicon chip inside
her head. Because that's all he has. He has nothing to say about what can make a child do
something like this. All he's got is like silicon chips and telex machines. It's stuff that
sounds really fucking important and intelligent to him. But doesn't.
mean anything and because it means nothing he can apply it to live context as we've
discussed when we discussed Band-Aid he can go on live aid in 1985 and 2005 and he can stop
the entire show by doing this horrible little and the lesson today is how today
and fucking holding his handle like his Freddie Merck piss off you've got you can't
this is a song about a real person who has real victims and dare I say she's still alive
and so are the victims and so are their families and the goal of him to take this and use it
as some sort of is it supposed to be a point about famine like the lesson today is how to die
how does that apply I think the fact that they even him taking boom to
Rats onto Live Aid among like some of the biggest bands in the world that have ever.
You know, your Queens, your Pink Floyds, your Duranjurans, your status quoes.
Boomtown rats.
The Boomtown Rats were a fifth-rate punk band.
They're not the pistols.
They're not the clash.
I've no idea what they're doing on this.
The only thing I could think is like, top of the pops two was about three months away at
this point.
So someone really wanted to get this on the show, but they didn't really have an
excuse, so here you go, we've got to fill some time. Oh, Alia's in the charts with a debut
single, is she? Never mind. We'll just put this on instead, because who fucking cares?
Yeah, I don't like this song. I think it's a horrible piece of music. Yeah, I can't,
I can't believe they devoted three minutes to this. What are they doing? It's 1994.
Just hearing the whole thing, I think, is just, it feels very odd. And just the fact that Jesus
Christ, I mean, I would rather have even just seen, like, footage of them,
playing it live with the tape playing in the background because, and it is
symptomatic. It's not just them. It's symptomatic of videos of the time, that very
early turn of the 80s period where it was just something you did in an afternoon in a room
with like a cameraman and it was just a fucking dos. All of the early police videos are like that
as well. But with the subject matter of the song, as you say, Lizzie, the video in
particularly just seems so fucking flippant and stupid. Like the, when you have the, which
always felt completely daff to me, the bloody airport kind of, tell me why, thing coming in
from the side. And every time, like, Bob Geldof's like acting like, whoa, where did these guys
come from and falling back in a seat?
Yeah, the camera like, fuck off. Are they having so much wacky fun with this song about school
shootings? And it's just, he just fails to cultivate any individual charisma. And the thing
is, I've, I've never really listened to the lyrics much. It's just the whole song seems so
melodramatic.
You don't need to listen to the lyrics
because they don't mean anything.
There are no reasons.
Maybe that's the point.
Makes you think,
didn't it, Lizzie?
Yeah, makes you think.
Like and subscribe.
Oh, God, no.
You can't criticize it
because there are no reasons.
That's the point.
That's why the song's meaning.
Listen,
this is totally tonally incongruous
and fucking...
Anyway,
The thing that's always got me
about this track
is that it just sounds
like the, I think,
the boom town ruts probably were,
like a slightly
nath co-option of lots of popular things from the time.
For me, this sounds like if kind of,
he's doing a bad Bob Dylan impression
over what is basically a shitter version
of Oliver's Army by Elvis Costello.
Yeah, I was thinking Elvis Costello as well, yeah.
And he's just kind of mushed that together
with some vague sort of Springsteenisms
and changes by David Bowie as well.
That's pretty much what the verses are.
And it's like, there is no,
This song has no feeling in terms of there's no tone to it.
It's not like it's an inappropriate tone.
As you say, it just, it feels like, oh, you know, all the penis has got this cool idea for a song.
Why don't I just sing over the top of it, even if it's not appropriate.
Yeah, it's less like Elvis Costello and more like Toya.
It's got this real musical theatre aspect to it.
It does.
It does.
I can't stand.
Except he's slightly duller a presence than Toya to give Toya a dew.
Yeah.
If I must give toy, I heard you.
But, do you know what?
What always gets me about this, as I say,
I never really notice the lyrics often until people point them out to me.
Often they're just syllables that fit the tone and the mood,
with occasional words that spring out,
and then ones that hit flat with the music.
And this is full of really awkward phrasing.
Like, I realize, and I've realized with time
and with writing some stuff of my own,
that I love and feel most comfortable writing and listening to tracks,
that have a sort of conversational meter.
I think I've raised this before on the podcast.
Yeah.
So the way that the, you know, the lyrics spill out.
There's an organic...
There is nothing organic about this.
It does sound like someone's just stretched a melody
that stretch words around a kind of a piano instrumental.
And the thing that always gets me is that...
Shoot, ooh, the whole day...
Down, down, down.
It's like...
That is a terrible end to a chorus.
It's only memorable because it's so obtrusive.
It's wank.
And the rest is kind of just some, you know,
quasi-jazz, quasi-showtune kind of gestures.
He's no fucking Steve naive,
whoever the bloody pianist was for the Boomtown Rats.
But they are like the...
You're right.
A fifth-tier punk band.
Or, to be fair, I would say they're like a two-and-a-half-tier new wave group.
because they borrow so much from the new wave scene
without having any individual flavour.
Sorry, Rob, I'm rubbing your time
because to be quite honest, Lizzie,
I've never liked this song
and I'm glad someone else has stood up
and concur with me
because I think it's crap.
I have one more thing to say just really briefly.
The bit where he does a high red,
it's like, shoo, ooh,
it just reminds me of like Stewie Griffin.
Yes.
Sounds awful.
Yeah, yeah, I know what you mean.
The whole day.
down
and shoot you down
um to be honest with me
it was a top up it was a toss
up between um that these angry
geese and um that let
loose group um the let loose song
I think it's it's shit
because of course it is like you hear the first
10 seconds you know what it is
who it's for why those men in particular
are performing it that singer
is I find him very pitchy.
I can't believe it apparently took
five people to put this song together.
I feel like I can guess every movement,
every lyric, every decision.
When there's like, I'm crazy,
when he says crazy for you, I'm like,
okay, so the next line is either,
there's nothing I can do,
there's nothing I won't do,
or I've got to get to you,
or so it's just, you know exactly where it's going.
There's a big focus on the people
in the audience in this episode.
The camera gets turned around,
a lot during these 30 minutes and it feels like a stage manager is holding up signs saying
cheer, scream, look shocked, faint a bit. They're not even really acting like pop stars, the
members of the group. I think they're acting like catwalk models who happen to be performing
a song. It's, I don't know. That's one of them. A special mention has to go to that fucking
real to real guy, go on move. Oh God. Feels like a dry run for I like to move it. Sounds like we
wanted another out here brothers in the charts, thank God we didn't have to cover anything by
that guy. But I don't know, let loose is probably my least favorite song. I'm not sure,
but I think I've kind of settled on at the animal factory lot. They curse these animal hands.
I do have to make a special mention for them because, you know, I will give them credit. I think
essentially what they are is a British pop punk band in the 90s, which is a bit unexpected. It's
bit of a curveball. Obviously, Britain laid the foundations for pop punk in the first place in the late
70s, but through the 80s and by the early 90s, it was definitely more of an American thing.
It was more of a skater thing over there. But the thing about this slot is that it starts
to round me up is that you can't really imagine them learning from bad religion or the offspring,
you know, they're not skaters or nerds and they're not shy little kids who play a few pop tunes
about skateboards and girls at school. They come across a bit like,
poses, to be honest, like they've been told to act as mouthy as oasis will probably do,
like they're cooler than top of the pops almost, which is fine when you're oasis and
you want to get a bit of swagger across, but there's energy and there's gusto in the
performance, but a lot of it comes from the genre they're in rather than the song they've
written. I think the song itself is pretty empty calories. The slowdown into half time for
the chorus, that's a nice enough touch, but that lead riff, if you,
you can call it that, is nothing. It has a lot of ostensible call, but it's just two or three
notes being played in the most predictable way you could possibly imagine. I think the scene
they were part of is all right, you know, Elastica, Echo Belly, that's about as good as that stuff
kind of got. The other names don't conjure up much excitement in retrospect like Smash and
all that. This lot seem to occupy a lower rung, even with all of this exposure.
which they shouldn't be getting
because they never had a top 40 single
and trying to promote acts that haven't had the success
feels like a rule has been broken
and all forgiving,
lesser known bands,
a bit of a leg up,
but that's what the radio is for
and that's what magazines are for.
They've been getting a big hand in the press
in the run up to this episode
and we'll do for a few weeks afterwards,
but no matter how much they were pushed,
the public didn't really take to them.
Top of the Pops is meant to reflect the child,
not fiddle with them.
Yeah, you know, which is why you have that jarring opening
where a band that no one's really heard of
outside of a few London critics in the mid-90s
end up introducing an entire episode
of a British cultural institution
all looks very, very weird in hindsight.
But I think the reason I've taken against them
more than anything is something that's kind of not their fault.
They remind me a lot of a band that I supported
at a club academy gig in Manchester in 20.
I wasn't going to name the band, but I'll just name them because I think they've, they no longer exist.
They were called the Cavelles, C-O-V-E-L-E-S.
And they were kind of like a, well, being in a band
during the dregs of the indie slees movement
at the bottom of the pile opening for bands like the Covelles,
you see a lot of stuff that looking,
it's like in the first episode of The Sopranos
where Tony Soprano is like,
I feel like I came in at the end, you know?
I feel like I missed the good stuff.
And now we're left with the imprano.
imitators. They topped the bill that night and we sold more tickets than they did. We were first on the bill. It was our first gig. It was one of those, the reason it was Club Academy in Manchester, which is a pretty big venue for a guy, you know, a bunch of kids who'd never played a gig before. Yeah. It was a pay-to-play thing where we paid a promoter and then we earned the money back through tickets. Didn't make that mistake again. Although to be honest, we split up four months later. But the Cavell's topped the bill. They didn't speak to us.
they didn't try to help us with anything.
They didn't even look at us.
They got pissed in the green room,
treated the night like they couldn't be bothered,
and then fucked off home as soon as they were done.
Like the other three acts on the list,
one of them was called Happy Daggers.
They were a lot of fun.
They ended up supporting a couple of bigger acts, actually,
about two or three years afterwards.
Then there was this other band called The Outreach Project, I think.
I've got to say Happy Daggers.
That's a pretty good name.
Yeah, but they were fun too.
They were a funky pop group.
They were very, very different.
to everything else on the bill.
We were called, fuck, my Juliet.
Oh, I've seen the clips of My Juliet.
Yes, yeah, we're on YouTube, we're terrible.
But, yeah, we're basically just like a fucking
doughtry cover band, but we didn't realize this
because I didn't give a shit about who doughtry were.
Were you better than these animal men?
Probably not.
A lot of our compositions were written by the drummer,
and the drummer was a really big,
Daughtry fan and he
liked to sneak in and
shall we say, interpolate
but not so generously say
steal sequences
and licks and riffs from
Daughtry songs, build them
and hope that we never listen to
Daughtry and I remember us finding
the song Over You by Daughtry
and then the song
September by Daughtry
and we realised that our biggest song
the one that we finished all of our gigs
with was a combination
of September and over you by Daughtry
and me and the bassist looked at each other and went
well we can't perform this now
we're just going to get in trouble
and then thankfully we split up a few months after that
but yeah living in the dregs of the indie slees
landfill indie era a load of 22 year old lads
with like neck length curly hair
v necks tight jeans strutting about
like peacocks is one of the most dismal fucking gigs
you've ever been to in your life
and I get that vibe from this animal
farm lot.
For the amount of noise they make,
it's all a bit in one ear
and out the other.
It's attitude over,
well, it's style over substance, isn't it?
It is attitude over content.
It's pushing something
that refuses to be pushed, I think.
They seem like okay people
who are just kind of acting
the way that they've been told to act
because it's like, oh, if you act like this,
you'll get all the wagons
well interested. And there are so many press clippings on their website. One of them were Simon
Price of chart music goes to interview them in a hotel room. And when he turns up, they're all
in the bath together shouting for him to come through. And he does not talk about the music at any
point in the interview, Simon Price. He just talks about his experience in the hotel room.
They sound like a likely bunch of lads.
Yes. Like you were saying it,
is football girl by
bunch of guys
football girl
would be a much better name
for this song
Oh we should write you football
Go
Football girl
Oh oh oh oh oh oh
You're my football girl
But every now and again
I'm like you had with lyrics
I don't
Ones that are really good or really bad
Really stand out to me
And everything else in between
I don't really give a shit
Like I write a lot of lyrics
Sometimes I'll come up with something
Where I think, yeah that's great
And then other times I'll think of like
I just need to fill a line here.
I just need to, the syllables need to be filled with something.
And with this, there are moments where I'm like, my ears prick up a bit.
Like, she's a groovy teenage girl, but she's not, like, she's not my type or something
like that.
She's not my responsibility or something like that.
It's very, very strange.
Like, they're driving in a car.
She's a groovy teenage girl or something.
at animal farm.
I'm scared for my auto.
I'm 22 and a quarter.
She came home again.
She was drunk.
She's not my friend.
She's a groovy teenage girl.
She's doing all right by me.
Sweet 16 ain't so peachy keen.
Yes.
It's a long, long ride,
smashed up, buzzed out,
speeding out of her mind.
I'm scared for my auto.
I'm 22 under quarter.
which I guess if you have a pretty thick
southeast accent
or a quarter
okay I will knock her out
I breathe
Jesus Christ
what is happening here
it's like sound of a concussion
he's a dangerous big gert
but yeah should we move on to our favourite
song of the
of the week
yeah
Swettling on
On the firetick
Give up
Oh
Woman
Sweating on
I'm not doing
I'm not
I'm not doing
I'm not doing
A summer day
I'm not
ratline around my head
In the fire
hide your children
pay
Sister fire
They're getting
nothing to tell
No I'm not doing
I'm not doing
I'm not doing
I'm not doing it
I'm not doing
I'm not doing
I'm going to say
something
about a 40
Oh my
a summer
So, Lizzie, blood from a favorite song out of this episode.
I mean, Jesus Christ, like, I almost gave it to these animal quackers, just because I thought, like, at least it's, it gives a glimpse of something that I didn't really know about.
it did make me dig into
you know the other brip hop
that didn't quite happen
so I learn a bit
from that but then I
realized the song is catch it so I didn't give
it to that
I can't believe I'm saying this
and it
feels like I'm doing this by default
but my favourite song
of the week is Shaker Maker by Oasis
Oh yes
this is very unexpected
Yeah, I don't think it's a particularly good song.
Like you, I think it's one of the, one of the weaker songs off, definitely maybe,
and definitely one of the weaker singles.
But when I watched this, I did get a palpable sense of like, oh, this is quite different.
Like, this sort of blows all the cobwebs of 1994 out of the way.
I got, I did really get the sense of like, yeah, this is a force.
to be reckoned with
more than I did anything else in this
which, like, there's a lot in this episode
that just seems kind of tired
and passed its sell-by-date.
You see my quandary, Lizzie, don't you?
That it's like, I hate that song,
but they've got something.
There's something special happening there.
Exactly.
I'm like, oh, stop.
I don't know what to do with that song.
Yeah, like, it's really hard.
Like, I could have given it to Crystal Waters
because I was like, I really like Gypsy Woman,
but I just didn't.
think much of the new one and I'm not surprised that it fell out of the charts straight after
this episode. Why wouldn't it? It doesn't sound like anything. Whereas yeah, Oasis, I came
away from it with a sense of like, okay, I get why people really sort of fell hard for them
towards the end of 1994 and definitely into 95. I sort of understand it a bit now.
It just shows to show what the, what presence and swagger can do, really. Yeah.
In terms of, yeah, the best one was tough, and I was just going off basically vibe.
Now, this is, down is up today, clearly, because Jesus Christ, I had two potential picks.
Neither of them I can fully recall, but God damn it, maybe it's because I liked it at the time.
Maybe there is some nostalgic buyers coming in it.
One of them was fucking let loose.
I struggled with it a lot, but, yeah, Ed, do, do, do, do defender.
It should justify your actions.
No, you can just defend the song.
It doesn't have to...
You're not in court, don't you like what you like.
Oh, through gritted teeth.
No, look, I don't know if I can.
I just, I think it's a pleasing song.
It's a catchy song.
It is made to order.
All of the cogs are on clear display.
The lead singer guy has just been picked out of a catalogue,
along with his jacket where he's,
put the fucking collar up and I'm like
that was just distracting to me
I shouldn't be distracted by somebody putting their
collar up through a performance so that's probably
a demerit there but I
like it and that's really
yeah this probably is some bizarre nostalgia thing
because Jesus Christ I really don't
have much more to say
I like the
I like the pre-chorus
the
that mean
just where you want me
I think that's quite effective
so much so that they basically
repeat it again several times at the end like oh this is the this is the winner this is the money
shot of this bland product no I like it I think it's fine and it kind of as this kind of you know
mid 90s slightly rock licked um boy band stuff goes I think it's decent I think it's peppy enough
there's enough vague flavor of power pop in there that I'm I'm having an ample time I listen
you know, I listened to it all the way through both times, so I might be insane, but
I, but that's not, I think if I'm being a little bit more objective for me, it's probably
the song that started it, where the song isn't interesting, you know, what's it called,
caught in the middle?
Caught in the middle of L-O-V-E love, L-O-V-E-L-V-E-L-O.
But that's the thing, it's like the song is forgettable in the extreme, but as I say,
it's a live vocal, she's got a fantastic voice.
gives it everything.
And you know what?
The group gives a lot of pep, you know, even though some of it is they're miming along
with synthetic elements.
It's got a lot of drive.
And the show really, you know, gives it a lot of welly with a lot of dynamic camera movement
and she's getting the audience involved or trying to.
I'm like, oh, I like how they started the show on its fizziest moment, as in a potential
for like, oh, this might be fun.
This might be a little bit more than just being shown a clip show effectively.
it never really delivers on that promise the rest of the episode.
But, you know, as a concept of, you know, an enjoyable music experience and as something
that has the energy of an enjoyable music experience, if not the song, that's my favourite.
So, oh my God, this is low fucking tanging fruit.
This is fucking desperate, isn't it?
I'm beginning to agree with you guys.
I don't know.
Is it the worst of the three episodes?
Yes.
I don't know.
On average, per song, maybe not, but in terms of having anything to say, I mean, I'm saying that.
We are about, you know, 45, 50 minutes into the show, but I don't think there's anything I'll think back to, really, once we've done this episode, which I just, yeah, I'll think about whistle for the rest of my life.
That's the thing.
It's like the first, I still think the 1986 episode, you know, would they go into my head, that would be the one I would pick.
Because I think it has, I think.
that's had the best song for me
out of the whole lot of them
and the most memorable performance
and it was 30 seconds long
I still just that little snatch
of Kiss
with that little video clip
is the most fucking charismatic
and best thing we've seen
across all three episodes I think
I agree
it just it has something
and that's amazing
for fucking 30 seconds
of something shipped in
as a bit of filler content
but that said I mean as I say
it was the biggest peaks
biggest troughs because my Jesus, as you say, fascinatingly shit, you know, whistle and
Hawkman and the soul nothings. But yeah, I can't really remember the 91 episode either. It felt
like this is a lot of the trends of the time on kind of their B tier level. It's like, oh,
that band did a song I like. It's not this one. And it just had that whole feeling. It's like,
Oh, it's prodigy, but it's Charlie.
Oh, it's, um, 808 state, but it's the other one.
No, not, not that one.
The other, the other, other one.
Oh, right, okay.
And I say on this one, it at least had,
it felt a bit snappier than the last episode for some reason.
I don't know if that was just me.
Well, until it got to the end, because to be quite fucking honest,
the only reason that I didn't put bloody,
again, the dichotomy.
The worst fucking performance for me of the lot
Was bloody wet, wet, wet, wet, the end
What a boring bloody waste of time
But I like the song
But that fucking deadening, smirking
Empty, hollow victory lap performance
Has actually killed some of my admiration
For what I thought was a decent song
We'll get there, Redd
We'll get there
Fuck me though, I mean, Jesus
We're 15 minutes in
We've got to get through this
like Daniel Beddingfield
Christ, okay
I'm just waffling now
because this is a real struggle
This is it is meagre
It's not much I hate
But it is meager
To offer up something a bit
Kind of more positive
I'm going to defend
Ghetto Day by Crystal Waters
Which I wasn't like
Taken with
But it was on the upside of fine
You know
It's a romantic
You know
Loving song about home life
The people on your block
The people on your street
You know
My favourite Queen Latifah
for song is just another day, which is from 93, you know, similar kind of thing.
My Block by Scarface, you know, it reminded me a little bit of the very few happy slice of life
scenes from like, do the right thing when all the kids are playing in the street with the
fire hydrant and Phil Liottado from the Sopranos drives past and they drench him with
the water.
The performance on the episode isn't much, though.
I think it's taken a bit less effort compared to some of the other ones we get just in terms
of staging and props.
But you get the four talented
dancers in the brown sweater vests.
They pull them off. They do some
cool moves. Crystal
joins in with the choreo sometimes.
She's friendly, smiley,
seems at ease. She flew in from New York
to do it. Okay.
Bit of a shame then that it
fell immediately out of the charts, but you know
the audience seem happy enough.
The only thing I will say,
though, is that bloke from before
who was probably standing at the
of the let-loose performance with those cue cards.
There are people screaming at this song.
I don't think this is a song you scream at.
I think this is something they're doing in the TV studio.
Like, come on, just jazz it up a bit.
Shout.
Scream.
They'll grab someone out of the audience and just yell.
You know, just yell.
And yeah, it's a bit like, oh, okay.
You kind of, you feel like this episode is trying to force things maybe that aren't there,
which is probably shown up, I think,
with the fact that, you know,
maybe the most memorable performances
are things like Swamp Thing
because they haven't,
they're not really pushing anything at all.
If anything, they're doing the kind of orb playing chess,
Navana playing their instruments backwards kind of thing
where they're just kind of like set up like the most disconnected group
but they all happen to be wearing white jumpsuits.
Like, you know, it's,
I think that's maybe the most arresting image
apart from Oasis's drummer being at the front.
One little thing I will say is that
Crystal Waters has one more top 10 hit after this in 2007.
What?
She is the featured vocalist on Destination Collaboria by Alex Galdino.
The one with the music video with the women in the skimpy green military outfits playing brass instruments.
Euphemism there in case you'd miss the subtlety.
Right.
Okay.
Yeah.
The destination.
With all of the...
Oh, shit.
Again, with all of the subtlety of mid-2000s...
Oh, yeah.
F-H-M pop, which I'll call it.
But yeah, should we move on to...
Well, I say something more positive.
Should we complain about good things
that weren't in the episode that could have been?
Yes, please.
While we do that, we will play down the song
which I have honestly forgotten whichever one it was.
They were putting the charts over.
Don't like Mondays.
No, it's don't like Mondays, yeah.
Yeah, it was the line one big one.
Okay, whoever thought that the boomtown rats be back at the top 40, did you buy this record 15 years ago?
And nobody's going to go to school today, she's going to make them stay at home.
Daddy doesn't understand it
He always said she was good as gold
And he can see no reasons
Because there are no reasons
What reason do you need to be shown
Tell me what
I don't like Mondays
Tell me what
I don't like Mondays
Tell me what
I don't like Mondays
I want to shoot
So now we move on to our
Something in the Charts section.
So Lizzie, what did you look at in the top 40 of this week, June 30th, 94, and then go,
this could have been on top of the pops.
It didn't break any rules, but they didn't fucking put it on.
What are you not happy that they left out?
A couple of things.
No Good by the Prodigy and No No by Dawn Penn
would have made my favorite song choice a lot easier,
but they're going down in the charts,
so as per the rules, they wouldn't be eligible.
So I will go with something that was eligible
and was about 15 places higher than I don't like Mondays,
but they just didn't bother to play it,
which is back and forth by Alia.
There's a real lack of hip-hop and R&B yet again,
like the closest we get to it,
is real to real, which seems kind of dated by 1994, I think.
Yeah.
And, yeah, instead of playing out the Boomtown Rats video in its entirety,
why couldn't we have had this?
Not only is it a brand-new entry, but it's Alia's debut single.
She's 15 years old, and she's given us a glimpse of the next five or six years in American
R&B with a much stronger hip-hop influence than a lot of what's called.
come before it.
It's a real shame this isn't on the episode.
It's a massive missed opportunity, I think.
Yeah, I think a bit of a showcase for it would have been nice,
even if it was just the video.
You know, I guess, like, maybe not getting her in the studio.
I kind of started looking up reasons why they wouldn't have brought her over.
You know, because maybe, like, you know,
the video must have been ready and maybe they could have played that.
But maybe I was wondering if you had something to do with her only being 15 at the time,
because apparently this isn't verified, this is just anecdotal from people who were in the crowd
on some episodes of Top of the Pops in the past, where apparently they did start to put age
limits on audience members. They had to be 16 or over in order to get in. And then I started thinking,
well, no, because they've had Jimmy Osmond on Top of the Pops in the past and the St. Winifred School
choir and Billy Piper. She's only 15 when she does her first performance of because we want to
about four years after this
but so I don't know
maybe there's something like maybe the special dispensation
if you're like at the top of the charts or something
and maybe like Aaliyah
she's in the top 10 at the moment isn't she
but she's that's about as high as it gets
she's like number 16 or 17
yeah top 20 so like not making major moves
and so because she's 15 and American
and it'd be a lot to fly her in
I don't know if there's an insurer
thing because she's under 16.
I don't know, but
maybe that's why they didn't get her
in the studio, but then maybe the
music video, but then I'm starting to think
like, was the music video ready? But it probably
was, because in those days, you know, you do video
on single lunch, definitely at the same
time. The only other thing I was sort
of wondering is that obviously Alia
was under the management of
R. Kelly at the time, and I'm not going to say that
anybody in the industry was like, maybe we don't
want to associate with him, because I'm sure
R. Kelly was on top of the pops lots of times.
after this point.
Yeah.
But maybe, maybe R. Kelly said no.
Maybe it was his decision.
Maybe they did reach out to R. Kelly.
And then he was like, no, we're going to get an American spot instead.
We're going to try and get an American TV spot.
Or it's, yeah, celebrating.
Again, maybe this little bit of like celebrating the past a little bit too much
and not going with something current.
But Lizzie, yeah, go on.
I mean, I thought of had like, I obviously wouldn't want to allege.
anybody of actually sort of doing this,
but there was a thought that popped into my head
of like, did they see real to real
and think, oh, we've already got a hip-hop act
on this episode, so we can't have two.
It's possible.
Because, like, we're in 1994
and they've still not caught
with hip-hop, I don't think, which is baffling.
Like, 1986, you can make an excuse,
but 1994, like, it just seems out of date by this point.
I mean, we've said it before.
I think it is Cooleo that's the watershed in this country.
Yeah, must be.
Ed, what about you for something in the charts
that should have been on top of the pops?
Like, what do you think?
Beautiful, it scans better than the Boontown, right?
Yeah, I actually pretty much just going to mirror what Lizzie said there.
Dawn Penn was definitely going to be a pick of mine.
I always liked you, don't love me, no, no, no.
One of the better examples of kind of, you know, reggae influence stuff in the charts.
It's actually got, you know, proper...
Yeah, I love, no, no, no.
groove it's got a groove it's got confidence i dig it um i lea yeah it would it's a show i was i was shocked
to see her in the charts i'm like oh shit i just didn't realize she had any presence on her first album in
this country because i just associate it with like the the massive singles both before and after a death
you know the turn of the millennium but um but yeah no that would have been interesting
so yeah i'll be honest there's not a lot in there that's fantastic there's a lot of stuff i'm like well thank
God, we didn't have that.
Like, fucking big mountain.
Jesus Christ.
Yeah.
But, yeah, so I've got a default to, you know, I like it.
I think it's a good track and two good singers.
Seven seconds by Nina Cherry and Yuso and Door.
I like it.
I think they've both done more interesting stuff, but I think it's a good song.
Yeah, as I say, it is unfortunately sort of slim pickings for real lightning.
So now we have the song that was all the way.
at the top of the charts, which we're going to play a little bit of a clip of,
their live performance from Wembley Arena, I presume.
I presume it was Wembley Arena rather than Wembley Stadium.
What's the difference?
Who fucking knows, yeah.
Who cares?
Honestly.
He says Wembley, but doesn't, you know, to be fair,
they could be playing in the market in Wembley for all the, you know,
Mardi Pello describes it, but yes, we will, yeah,
we'll play a bit of lovers all around, and then we'll come back to see what it is and things.
Welcome to us, Wet, Wet, Who are we calling for us, especially now,
for Wembley this week.
Love is all around.
Feel it in my fingers.
I feel it in my toes.
Love is all around me,
and so the feeling grows.
All the wind, it's everywhere I go.
So if you really love me, come on a let it show.
All right, so obviously, me and
have discussed this on our main episode for Love is All Around in 1994.
So, Lizzie, we had a big long-running blockbuster number one in 1991, and we've got a big
long-running blockbuster number one again in 1994.
So how do we feel about Love is all around?
I've got barely anything to say about it, to be honest.
It just, there's a kind of pomposity to it that I really don't like, like a sort of
knowingness and pride in what it is but I just don't think it actually does anything to earn that
and I can't even talk about Hollywood blockbusters with this because there's just nothing like
I don't know um the one comment I did make is that I've always kind of resented the intro to this
song because whenever I first hear it I always instinctively think it's a meatloaf song
and then it kicks in it's like oh it's just wet wet wet never mind like
that's about all I have
I don't like it very much
and the fact that they're showing
this live performance as opposed to
a video or a repeat studio
performance suggests to me
that Top of the Pops are already getting quite
sick of it and it's only been like
three weeks
just you wait lads
just you wait
we have two more
months yes
I don't mind
seeing it in a live setting
I think Marty Pello
you know he does a stand-up job of performing it and delivering it and stuff but I do get this
kind of oh aren't we great kind of feeling with it but I guess you know live performance
maybe you just do that to get through it I don't know but Ed what did what do you make of
the performance because I mean obviously you vaulted the song um yeah I'm sorry to wonder why
I think I think you were very very much entitled to what you
said um you're like what you like i know very well have been very very wrong honestly something
about it just clicked to this performance it's like my god never have i seen the life extracted
from something so wholeheartedly and it was on a knife edge originally because let's be
honest it's not it's not the most full-bodied and human recording in the world to begin
with. I mean, none of their stuff really is. But just to see this sort of, I don't know, there's
something remarkably perfunctory and bare bones about it, not in a cool kind of punk DIY way,
but it's like, it's amazing how you can be on stage in front of screaming fans at Wembley and
just look like you're just having a bit of a dance in the pub. It's like, I don't know. There's
something about them that's really, really, really put me off everything I've ever known
about this group. Look, I like the song, but fuck me, this is just a big old jumper of a fucking
performance. It's just, it's worthless and it kind of sits there. That's, that. I wish I didn't
have to see it. I don't want to see Wet Wet Wet Live. I think what we should talk about instead
is four weddings and a funeral. Have we all seen it?
Yes. Well, I was actually going to talk about Love Actually, which has ruined this song forever for me.
Yes, because of course it's Richard Curtis doing a little poke at his own, a poke of fun at his own creation, sort of.
Yes, the Christmas is all around me.
I thought it was always like Christmas is all around me.
Like, yeah, which charted in like 2003, but they only released it after Christmas, so it charted on like the 27th.
Yes.
really weird.
Oh dear, good old Billy Mac.
Yeah.
He's the best character in that film, I think.
I would watch...
The thing we'd love actually,
it's got so many fucking plot lines.
Half of them are fine
and half of them maybe want to
strangle everybody involved in it.
And I often think, like,
would I watch this if it was a film
on its own? And the Billy Mac one
is the only one I think of
that makes me go unequivocally
without question, yes.
The only one that comes close is Chris Marshall, Colin, going off to America.
That's like the only, those are the only two.
The Colin, no, Colin Fristols going to America there.
And he's got a big knob.
That's great.
That's great comedy.
And Chris Marshall's a very funny actor.
Those are the only two in the film that I genuinely really fall in love with.
I find the Martin McCutcheon and Hugh Grant stuff to be fine, if a little dated, but still fine.
Martin Freeman and
you're on from Gavin and Stacey
being the porn body doubles
that's fine
that's quite nice
the kind of workplace romance thing
but the Colin Firth stuff
with the Portuguese woman
fucking hell
and the stuff with
what's his face
Andrew Lincoln from Walking Dead
with Kira Knightley
a 17 year old
Kira Knightley
very fucking weird
that would not be in the film
and we're supposed to feel
sorry for him.
I just, oh, no, no, can't do it, can't do it.
Whereas Four Weddings, I think Four Weddings is a good movie.
Not a great movie, not a great movie.
But it is an interesting movie, given where it's pitched in history.
You know, like how it kind of seems to occur on the cusp of two worlds.
You know, one of the aristocratic kind of British Christian kind of tradition that provides
the church backdrops and the hymns and the songs and all the formal.
language of nuptials that you get. And then you've got one of modernity and subversion that provides
all the one-night stand and the drunken behaviour and the casual swearing and the culture clashes
between like awkward Brits and classy yanks and Hugh Grant's desire to not be married at all.
And the film itself is so focused on marriage, but it seems to devalue and undermine the
commitment of marriage at every single turn. So many vows are reneged on, you know, divorces,
rushed ceremonies, hasty proposals.
I think, you know, the film does ultimately argue
that love and all of its chaos and unpredictability
will endure beyond society's need for weddings
or whatever formal occasions we come up with
in the distant future.
I think it's incredibly cruel to some characters
who seem to commit the crimes of just not being Hugh Grant
or Andy McDowell.
That's their only crime in the film.
That woman, that duck face,
that they call a duck face in the film.
She's the one that Hugh Grant's going to get married to at the end.
She's jilted just because she's not Andy McDowell.
We don't get any chance to know her.
We don't get any chance to see the inside of her heart.
We just see her be a wife.
Well, no, a bride who doesn't become a wife.
But that's Hollywood, Rob.
Yes.
She's not in the script anymore.
Nobody cares.
Yeah, 90s rom-coms in it.
But there's a very, very interesting image in that film where I think it's the funeral.
in the film is held at that chapel
and behind
the chapel is a massive
fuck-off gas pumping
factory on the edge of an industrial estate
that towers over the chapel
and that to me
is the film kind of summed up there
where it's like the modern world of industry
and consumerism
and alcohol
is going to trample the old world
of religious kind of kind of quaint buildings and religion and old England and stuff, you know?
It's, there are things in that movie that when it was sold to me, I didn't realize that it had that in its mind.
Uh, but it seems to do, it does seem to have it in its mind.
And whenever I think of this song, I do think, you know, in the run-up to us doing for, um, uh, Love is All Around.
And that's when I watched Four Weddings for the first time.
And I was a bit taken aback by him.
to be honest. I don't think it's great, but I was a bit surprised at how much it had on the brain,
given how it's been sold to me over the years. I immediately, basically, the next day or the
week after, I watched Notting Hill. That's not a good film. I think Notting Hill's borderline
rubbish, actually. I think that's a really shit kind of like postcard London, but offers no actual
real look at London. How can you call a film Notting Hill and have no black people in it?
it doesn't make any sense to me and that's not like oh richard curtis that's not me saying that it's like
you are calling your film Notting Hill you have to give it some you have to give Notting Hill itself
some sense of being center stage and it's just window dressing it's just the name of the film
I remember when I saw it at the time I was like you could have called this Herne Hill primrose Hill
Ludgate Hill you could have called it fucking Henman Hill and it would
not have made the slightest bit of difference to what actually happens in the movie. And it's your
title? No. Reese Ifance is worth the entry fee, though. I think, have we all seen Notting Hill as well,
or have we avoided that over the years? I have. I can't remember it. I've never seen Love Actually.
I'll be honest. That feels like something remarkable. It's like when I managed not to hear
let it go for two years after Frozen came out, but I still haven't seen Love Actually.
I have to go back to love actually
because we failed to mention
both the intro monologue about 9-11
and then later on in film Thomas Brody
Sangster sprinting through an airport
Yes
What a weird cusp of history
That also
I know
Presents there
Yes post 9-11
Post like you know
Planes only just post like planes
Smashing into buildings and thousands of people
dying and the ramp up of airports
security, but still being just close enough to the 90s so that, yes, a 10-year-old boy can just
be allowed to run through an airport, while some too dopey policemen go, oh, I can't catch him.
He's a 10-year-old.
He's too fast for me.
Well, that sounds like a riot.
It's a decent movie.
Yeah, Pote's 9-11 pre-John Charles.
Like, not good.
Yeah.
I think Love Actually is a decent movie.
My mom rolls out the same five films every Christmas.
we do love actually elf
Bridget Jones's diary
it's a wonderful life
and more in more recent years
she has rolled in Miracle on 34th Street
the original Miracle on 34th Street
I think Elf is fucking brilliant
if you want a film that's about 9-11
that never references 9-11
elf is a fucking 9-11 movie
and I will take that argument to my grave
the climax of the film
without giving much away
the climax of the film is a bunch of people in New York City
watching the same event on television
as news reports cover it live.
It is people glued to televisions,
watching something unknown at the beginning,
watching something unknown happen right in the center of New York
and everybody's glued to the television in order to find out what's happening.
And I thought this and then I googled Elf 9-11
and there are interviews with John Favreau and Will Ferrell
both saying that the film is a tribute
as much as it is a tribute to Christmas
and being all nice and stuff.
It is a tribute to New York City
because they felt like they needed to make a film
about how much they loved New York.
And Manhattan is as much of a character in Elf
as it is in like fucking Annie Hall.
Or like, and it is just as good, just as warm,
just as quotable.
It's just that you don't have Woody Allen squawls
squirming through the middle of it,
basically. I mean, I love Annie Hall,
but, like, elf is just as great,
but for different reasons,
I love elf. I also love it.
It's a wonderful life as well,
but everybody says that it's a wonderful life
is an amazing film,
and I don't feel the need to defend it.
Have you guys seen Elf?
Yeah, I've seen Elf.
Do you not like it as much?
It's pretty good.
As far as, like, the Christmas classics go,
I'd put it up there,
but it's not a big Christmas person,
so there you go.
Ed, what about you?
I've not seen Elf, but, but okay, like, where would you put it on your canon of 9-11 movies, though?
Ooh.
I would put it above World Trade Centre and miles and miles and miles above that one Robert Pattinson film,
which has fuck all to do with 9-11, but at the end of the film, it is revealed that he has just walked into the World Trade Center on September 11th.
Has absolutely nothing to do with the film, and then the, literally the last,
shot of the film is him in an office building, the camera zooms out all the way, and it's
the World Trade Center.
Did Ian McEwen write it or something?
And then, no, and then, where is my mind starts playing?
The slow piano version.
Yes, the film was called Remember Me, it was from 2010.
I seem to remember that in the film there's like a newspaper clipping that shows it's September
11th and then he walked into that office
building. Directed by
Alan Coulter and written
by Will Fetters,
it made $56 million
on a $16 million budget.
Rotten Tomatoes rating
of 26%.
And the Rotten Tomatoes
consensus is, its leads are
likable, but remember me, suffers from
an overly mordling script
and a borderline offensive final
twist.
Yes, I think it was too soon is the word you're looking for there.
But it just sounds pointless.
I mean, that's the thing.
It's like, whoa.
You might remember this fucking mediocre movie now,
and yet evidently people do not.
Poor Robert Pattinson.
I'm glad he got to do Good Time and The Lighthouse.
Like, he doesn't live better than that shit.
Yeah, and I would even say that at least four of the Twilight films are good.
I would say that two of them are good.
great. I love the first one and I think the fourth one is insane and how they managed to sneak
that kind of film into a like a young adult kids fantasy thing. I've no idea. Second and third
films are fine. Last film is a big stinking pile of shit but it doesn't matter. Like the first
one is the important one and that's the best one I think. That's being re-released in cinemas next
week. I'm going to go and see it on the big screen. I never saw it on the big screen. I saw
New Moon on the big screen. I got taken to see New Moon, but I didn't see Twilight.
Do we have anything more to say about this episode of Top of the Pops?
Is there anything else that came to mind?
There's just a couple of odd little bits that weren't in the other two episodes.
I don't think they're beneficial.
I mean, as you were saying, Lizzie, before the show,
it's like these bizarre little bits of trivia and facts about the song.
Like, oh, you know, new entry, upcoming group, all of this.
At one point, it's just like randomly flashing the words album performance.
I'm like, what does that mean?
Are they going to play the whole album?
Or it's like, well, what does that mean?
There's no context to it.
No kids watching.
What the fuck that means?
And then some boring shit.
If it was a single, that makes even less sense.
What does that mean?
Anyway, and the last bit was, can we just talk about the kind of,
oh, what good times we've had tonight final montage over at the end.
We're just clips of all the act you've done over that kind of, you know,
second rate, like, Red Book audio.
shash we've got going on there
and that clip of just fucking
Bruno Brooks with a cardboard sign
that says
basically saying
sorry take that weren't on the episode
it's like oh remember they did they do that
why
like if you do that at the end of the show
fine but like I guarantee
about 10,000 people probably tuned out
that exact moment
it's like oh yeah that's my favourite bit
where he basically just said place
Holder and then
watch something else
We don't have tape that
but we have this act
You've never fucking heard of
He sold more than
one and a half thousand records
In New York
We've got let
Let loose and basically shake that
So
Shake that
Oh that's good
Oh god
Yeah
I guess I like me some shake that more than others
One thing I'll say
Before we go
Is that for these three episodes
Lizzie it's been wonderful
Having you back
As part of the team
Thank you
weeks, just while we were discussing these
TOTP episodes.
It won't be the last we hear from you on this
podcast. I'm absolutely sure about that.
Absolutely not. Maybe we'll
dish one of these out again.
We'll bring one out of the cupboard
top of the box episode. I've had
a lot of fun. I feel like we should do this again
sometime.
Yeah, and we'll do... Glare's in Rob's direction.
Yes, and well, maybe
we'll do one. When Andy returns, we can get
all four of us on and we can do one from night.
Yeah, I think that would be the perfect
cap off to this because it feels a little fair
missing Andy because he
quote unquote went
to New Zealand
just the same as Mike Herman Trout's trip to Belize
Oh yeah
Yeah going to New Zealand is slant
Like to think we got this and like Andy's in New Zealand
And he gets to come back and talk about the spice girls
What a holiday
We've had a rough go of it haven't we
That's the end point
Yeah forget the 24 hours in the air
That he's going to spend
it's wannabe that's the real end of the holiday
so thank you all
very much for listening to this
this little series will be
normal service resuming
next week or the week after
whenever Andy's back and we can get round to it
but yes we'll be back very soon with normal stuff
so thank you very much for this
yeah for listening to this top of the pop series
and we'll see you soon
see you bye
To a paradise of love and joy
A destination unknown