Hollywood Handbook - Adam Sachs, Our Cool Bossfriend

Episode Date: April 4, 2016

Sean and Hayes take a Twitter request to discuss the teaser for Hardcore Henry and arrive at some big questions. Then they invite Earwolf/Midroll CEO ADAM SACHS to join them just to hang out as friends and not because they're worried about being cancelled.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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while we're trying to record, and I left the door open, and I smell the muffins now, and so what I realize happened is I think Sean went to sort of pursue the muffin guy. When that happens, the muffin guy tends to sort of run away. And so what I'm sure is happening is Sean is chasing the muffin guy down the street. And I worry about Sean because, like, when he is really hungry for a savory muffin, really is what he likes, is the kind of gruyere and kale sorts of muffins because that's breakfast for him, he likes to say. He will not be paying a lot of attention to cars or traffic lights or anything and worried that once they start honking at him, he'll get very disoriented and maybe sort of, you know, do something crazy or I don't know.

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Mayor Winningham calls me up and she wants some help laying down a bed for a garden. She's seen how nice my garden is and she says oh, will you help me? I want to have some daffodils.

Sod. So, okay. I go over there and I've got my little spade and I'm rooting around. And I hit something. Ding. And it is a human skull. Okay. Ding, though.

Yeah. Ding. Ding. A human skull. Okay. Of. Ding, though. Yeah. Ding. A human skull of a kid. And I go, Mayor, like, this is a mess here. And she goes, just leave it. Just put it back. And I go, well, I can't leave it.

Put it back. If you want to have daft deals, we're going to need to get lower into the ground. So I start to dig more. I mean, there must have been 200 of these things, Hayes. And she's going like, oh, just, it's no big deal. It's no big deal. And it's, and I'm like, no big deal. There's a mess back here. I mean, this is a big mess and you want to have a garden, you know? It's like, you need to have the right sort of landscape for it. It's just so frustrating.

And, you know, and then I went to get more tools out of the shed to sort of dig it up. And then there's some kids in there and they're all pissed off at me. You know, it's too bright. They're like, let me out. Like, call my dad. You know, and I was just like, this whole place is just a wreck. Like, you've got to get your life together. You want to have a garden that's a reflection of sort of your inner life in a way, you know. If you want that to blossom, you need to clear it out.

You need to clean it up. And that clutter, if you have clutter, clutter inside, clutter outside. Yes, that's right. And it's your thinking becomes clutter. I could use those headphones for a series of scary aquariums I'm doing. So if you still have those, because the effect can sometimes be— Asquariums? Yes, ascariums.

Yes, asquarium is a different thing. It's a square aquarium. These are scary, and so they're Ascariums. And sometimes the fish swims. You could have a squary Ascarium, but go ahead. It swims inside the head. In the brains?

And then it becomes the brains. Oh no, the fish is being the brains? It's a fish brain. And the guy's thinking like I should swim in the water. Hey. Hi. Welcome to Hollywood Handbook, an exciting guide to kicking butt and dropping names in the red carpet linebacker. Always in this industry we call showbiz.

What up, what up, biznatch. And so somebody online was saying that we should talk about a teaser. Attacking me with tweets. Sliding into my DMs. They were saying they want to do the teaser freezer. They want to see us do one of this movie, Hardcore Henry. Great idea, we thought. Yes, and so the next step is to go online and...

Go and go in our secret uh library where we have all the movies yes because we always normally have seen the whole movie first and then we look at the teaser that's just how i like to do it um so to see what teaser is going to be good yeah like i'm imagining what pieces i would use for the teaser. And then a lot of times I'm like, they picked the right piece. And then sometimes I go like, not the right piece. Yeah. So we go to watch this hardcore Henry. And as we start watching it, at the beginning, it's very exciting. Because finally, it's a perspective I've never seen before represented represented which is my perspective i'm in the

movie i don't remember filming this movie i don't remember being in it and being essentially the camera yes the feeling i always have is like so i can see everything that you know well like when i'm watching movie i'm like this is me I'm looking at this and these are the other guys but sometimes it's me up there as well that I'm looking at which is impossible confusing to me takes me out of it and I can't see my own hands very much right and what I've also mentioned before when we watch Jersey Boys and this goes one step further is a lot of movies are rude they don't acknowledge me in any way. Yes. And I'm always thinking like, can they not see that I'm here, like seeing this movie?

Yes. Like, do they not know? And so now, nice, we get a movie where it's me. I'm going around. People are kissing me. Yes. People are giving me stuff

and I'm like, thanks. They miss me. They're happy to see me. Yeah, they're shaking my hand. And all of this is a positive. Oh, good. What a great idea. But then, Hayes, and I'm sorry if you're at home and you don't want to hear any bad language, but they fuck me.

And I'll tell you why. All of a sudden, they're tricking me. One guy's trying to punch me, shooting at me. Another guy's making me do something I don't want to do, throw a grenade. He's saying, take this. And then suddenly, you can see your own hand throwing, and you didn't even want to do that. So, I'm sorry. Okay, you want to be nice, put me in the movie, great want to do that. So I'm sorry. Okay, you want to be nice, put me in the movie.

Great, I like that. I've been in movies before and it's weird because I have to look at me looking out at me. But this, I get to be in the movie and I only see what I see. I don't see me except for the parts of me that I can always see like my hand pieces. Sometimes a little part of my nose. But when I look at it too long, I get sick.

Oh, yeah. And I cross my eyes. So then I'm thinking, okay, this guy's being something nice. But then they're not very nice because they trick me into doing some stuff that's mean and doing mean stuff to me that I gotta be there for and I don't remember signing on for any of this how is it you and me oh that's another question I had that I didn't want to ask I was a movie I was afraid to even mention it I almost threw up thinking about it were we piggybacking the whole time? No, because there was no set of hands above either.

No, I would have been able to see your sneakers. Is it with my arms flat at my side and then you're behind me with your hands sticking under my armpits and we're like both in a trench coat or something? Maybe. Trying to get my head around that, I almost threw up because we're watching it together, but we're both seeing it's us in there doing it. It's definitely us. And we both would want to get a kiss. Seeing what's happening and we are being kissed and feeling all these experiences as they're going on.

And while I am hardcore, my name is actually not Henry. And while I am hardcore, my name is actually not Henry. So right off the bat, they made a mistake, which I'm willing to forgive if then later they're not having me freaking pull the pin of a grenade and throw it. I would never do that. Those things blow up. I thought maybe I pulled the pin by accident. And then I was like, okay, I do want to throw this. I was like, you know, explaining everything as it happened,

being like, oops, I did that by accident. Oh, there's a while where I was doing a lot of work to justify their choices. Because I didn't know I was doing that, but sometimes stuff will happen that I didn't intend to do. Oh, I'm not perfect. I made mistakes. No, don't misunderstand. I made mistakes, but never big a mistake as these filmmakers made when they actually had a guy who was going to love it,

and then now he's pissed at them. And let me tell you, maybe he's about to get hardcore on some of them, show up. Now let's see what it really looks like when I throw a grenade. And I don't understand when other people are watching it, are they seeing like our backs? Why are they so interested? Yeah, they must be seeing the back of me, which is in the way of a lot of the stuff that's the most interesting part of the movie.

I never got why people play Doom Yeah, are they just seeing the back of my head? Yeah As I'm shooting these guys? Yeah, they can't even see what I'm shooting at That's not interesting So, thanks for the suggestion, Twitter man But no thanks

You friggin' got me pretty worked up. Is Twitter one guy? This is another. I really want to throw up when I try to think about what this actually is. This is something that really makes me almost throw up trying to get my head around it because it's just too big an idea for me. idea for me because if it's not I mean like who who is it if it's not one guy who is it because all the faces some of them are I can see it sure you know what

I mean like I really can't look at it but can they at it. But can they see it? Well, what's going on? If I'm the one looking at it, how can they be also looking at it? No, because they're not seeing me looking at it. Are they seeing the back of my head looking at Twitter? Like, if Engineer Ryan goes to open up Twitter, is he just seeing me, like my fingers sort of scrolling over something that he can't read?

Yes. And if I put the phone down, okay, so I'm holding the phone, I'm looking at it and I put it in my backpack or something. Is it still there? Oh God. If I'm not looking at it. Oh, I throw up three times a day trying to figure this out. I turn my phone off, you know, and put it in my backpack and i go like did twitter

fall asleep like is it gonna be there when i get back right or the phone is it like if i'm like so like this pen for example see seeing your ear now i could see it put it down now i'm looking away is it there it's for me it's there okay now you look away okay it is there? For me, it's there. Okay, now you look away. Okay. Is it there? It's gone. It's gone, right? Does it exist anymore?

No. Now I look back, and now it is there. Well, somebody brought it back. Somebody put it back. But it was gone for a little while. And somebody went and got it and put it back. And thinking about this stuff makes me want to throw up. Oh, gosh. All I do is throw back. And thinking about this stuff makes me want to throw up. Oh, gosh. All I do is throw up when I think about this.

So that was our Corey Henry. We've got a great guest for you, really cool guy. So good. Somebody we wanted voluntarily to have. He's so awesome. Such a badass. And it's just the most fun conversation with Adam Sachs who is

a podcaster and he's just this awesome guy. I mostly think of him, yeah, I don't even think about his podcast as much as good body, really nice face. Thick hair. Yeah. And just

funny, but he's not trying too hard. Yeah. And just cool. Yes. Yes. But I guess he's also in some ways. No, he is. Like our boss.

Yeah. Yeah. But even just saying that sounds like so crazy. Yeah. But that's not why we have him. So, all right. Well, enjoy some funny ads, I bet. And then listen to Adam.

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You know, I'm getting madder and madder and madder. Oh, I've seen that. And finally, I find the bride, and I'm like, have you seen the guy who runs the photo booth? Right. And she's like, oh, I think he's over there by the snacks. And so I walk over there, and I call her this guy. I'm like, hey, you piece of shit.

Yeah. Your props suck. Your photo booth props suck shit, you fucking idiot. All you have, you don't have the big lips. You don't have the mustache. He must have the giant sunglasses. Well, that's all he had, and of course, I bring my own because I need ones with corrective lenses. He had the giant sunglasses, and he had an inflatable guitar that wasn't even all the way full.

I had to blow it up myself, and that's my first picture. So I get in there. I embarrass myself because the first picture is me blowing up this guitar and the next picture is you out of breath yeah so the next picture is me kind of waking up because i sort of nodded off a little bit too hard for blowing too hard because i'm trying to get it done so fast in time for the first picture and then so the second one is me kind of waking up uh and the third one is me just trying to find my sunglasses. Because once they're off, I can't find them again because I need them to see.

No big lips. No mustache. No word balloons so I can use my own creative phrase. You have like a little derby. No funny hats. I'm sorry. I just think I... Maybe I'm not phrasing the question right.

He didn't have a derby? Or he didn't have any hats? He didn't have a tiny derby. He didn't have a cowboy hat? He didn't have a purple cowboy hat? A bonnet? No. A top hat?

No ski hat with the little button? No beanie with the pinwheel? Propeller, yeah. Yes, the propeller at the top. No. Believe me, I looked. Trust me, I looked. Holy shit.

So what this dickless loser say? I mean, you fucking shook him up pretty good. Then what happened? He pissed himself and just... I made him, I said, come with me. I took him into the photo booth. Yeah. And, yeah, I made...

Let's see how you like it. You make him take pictures in there. Yeah, I made him take pictures. Oh, brutal. Yeah. What a fitting punishment. And he's smashing the cake in his face in the last one. Oh, that's a good pick. The big In the last one Oh that's a good pick The big wedding cake

Yeah that's a good pick but it's against his will Which is what I like about it Hey welcome to Hollywood Handbook Hey welcome to Hollywood Handbook I want to do this good because of Who's here Okay you want me to leave it for you Yes and you can have your thing, but, you know, this...

I just want to do it good. My thing, yeah. Hey, welcome to Hollywood Handbook, an insider's guide to kicking butt and dropping names in the red carpet linebacker hallways of this industry we call showbiz. What up, what up? Did you miss me? I said it. And I'm Hayes, and here's Sean,

and we got a real corker of a guest for you today. Yes, an awesome one, and he's here, and I mean, do we even need to introduce this guy? He's such a big deal, but we'll say his name anyway. Adam Sachs, the creator of podcasts and the guy who made Midroll a household name. This is such an honor. Adam, hi, Adam. So good to have you. Hey. And the guy who made Midroll a household name. This is such an honor. Adam. Hi, Adam.

So good to have you. Hey. Hey, Sean. Hey, Hayes. Adam, you know, it's so funny to have you here as just, like, our friend because, like, you know, sometimes we're out of the office. Like, you're kind of our boss. But, like, here, you know, we're just hanging out. Well, and I always – it's weird to me in the opposite way where it's like, this guy's my boss. He's so cool and fun to hang out with.

And I just am always like, oh, I would love to talk to him regardless of whether he's sort of paying my bills. Thank you so much. So I just think it's awesome we could finally work this out and get you on. We've always wanted to have you. Yeah. out and get you on. We've always wanted to have you. Yeah, and we've, it's just so fun, we thought, to have you here and just kind of watch how we do things and kind of like see how a normal show goes and like just for you to like see

who's valuable here. This thing works, you know? So not everybody has a sort of well-oiled machine some of these shows need a little shove and ours kind of just goes and i mean i'd say the other one that i think is really good is wolf den oh look who i'm telling but that was i forget honestly that you're the host oh you guys listen well oh god it's fucking crack me up he's my boss he's a friend but it's also like he's a celebrity like in terms of really funny when i hear your voice i'm just like i laugh my shit off get ready to laugh oh god i laughed my fucking tits off dude it's blasting me to the moon laughs wise i love it

some of the voices you do or it's like what's your favorite uh impression impression oh yeah well you tell me your favorite one to do because that's always interesting. Brad, I think. How do you get into it? Oh, my Brad impression. Brad's so crazy. Brad and then I guess the cactus. Oh, yeah, there's this cactus I do.

Yeah. You guys really listen. Oh, man, it busts me up. The only thing is I don't know if I can listen while driving. I'm scared I'm going to get in an accident. Wow. I'm really flattered, you guys. Thank you so much, and thanks for having me on the show.

I think you know I was a huge fan of your show for a really long time. It was always when people would ask me for sort of like a very under-the-radar type of podcast that I like, this was always one that I would say it's an acquired taste. It's not for anyone. It's really just a show that not for everyone. Not for everyone. Not for everybody. This was always a show that I would kind of reference

as one that's very under the radar. And you say was, I guess because now it is hugely all over the radar. Big part of the company and almost indispensable in some ways. The radar's beeping so crazily from seeing us so much. Yeah.

I was really delighted when I got the email to be on the show, and really I was surprised. I thought, honestly, I was delighted because, like I said, I was a big fan of the show, but surprised a little bit because I thought, have you guys been doing the show just kind of like, did you take a big break? I thought maybe, well, I thought weren't I have you guys been doing the show just kind of like did you take a big break I thought maybe well I thought I don't know I I don't know how to I don't I want to say it I don't offend you guys but I thought that you were one of the wolf pop

shows maybe that that got Chris Bannon had a he had a good euphemism he called it sunset I thought that maybe this was one of those shows oh oh that's right they did just get rid of a bunch of wolf pop shows right before right that's coincidental timing you know that we have this sort of thing you didn't get an email we have the boss man on who we love and have always wanted on right you know right after the some of the wolf pop shows got you know their walking papers um well you know uh no, no, we weren't part of that. It's a natural fit. We're pop culture. But we do so much more, don't you think, Hayes?

Yeah, and I don't think, trying to remember if I got an email. Can you see whether emails you send have been read or not? No. No, we didn't get one. We did not. We definitely didn't. You never received it. No, we didn't receive it.

We didn't read any email. I'm probably mistaken. Yeah. I'm probably mistaken. If you've been doing the show this whole time, then you probably didn't get the email. I'd remember getting an email from you. I would read that. I'd devour it. I'd say, let me look at it for sure.

I would tell my assistant, give me that one. You take a break. get away from the computer it would have come from Chris probably then I might not have seen it yeah I might not have can he see whether

his emails are read when somebody else opens them you don't know his stuff goes to my spam that's in my junk folder just because his name to me sounds sort of like a porno name. Yeah.

So he probably didn't get it. Yeah, so I might not have gotten that. It sounds like a fake yogurt like the one you have to use for a movie. It sounds like the Hulk's brother. So Should we say his last name since we're saying this? The Hulk's brother. So, so far. Should we say his last name since we're saying this?

We've only called him Chris, right? Oh, I heard Adam say Chris Bannon. Okay. Anyway, that wasn't a mistake, and we just keep doing the show. No, I'm glad to hear it. Like I said, big fan. Yeah. Very big fan of what you guys do.

So great then, now that a lot of these shows have been launched into space, that you can see our show and feel like, wasn't it so great that you didn't cancel us and that we should be the ones that keep going for a long time?

And that that makes sense and now it's sort of like, you know how sometimes it's easier to play pool once your opponent has cleared a lot of their balls off the table? You know, maybe you're losing, but you've got a clearer shot to make a run. And I think that some of those shows were maybe the stripes. But Hayes and I are rock solid. solid.

It feels like now you can really get a clean look at us and see, oh, these guys were made for really having support. Let's do, I guess, we'll just do the tour. These are the microphones. We are very careful with these.

Hayes has never slammed one or smashed one around. In anger or otherwise. They're expensive. I know that. I get the budgets and I see. Great. We had to replace a microphone, I think it was last month. I heard something about that.

Yeah. I heard somebody was getting angry about something being racist. That's what I heard. That's it. And that's all I'll say. I'm not going to comment. That's all I know. And I heard it was like a major part of the show was decided.

And I heard it wasn't even about they were mad that something was racist. They were mad that it wasn't. They couldn't figure out whether it was. No, no. I heard they were mad that it was not. That it wasn't racist. They wanted everything to be racist. Yeah.

Like, let's just say it ended in a smashed microphone. And these things, these puppies are not cheap. So I'm really happy to see Hayes. The way you're treating that microphone over there just with so much care. I'm holding it so gently. Yeah. So it doesn't fly away on me. I cradle mine, and I used to train birds.

So I know how to be very gentle with things like this. I really appreciate it, guys. And I've trained them to steal. It's not going unnoticed. So this is the tissue box. This is the tissue box. If you have a big sneeze to do or even if you just spill something or if you want to just take some for your car for later. It's almost full and there's plenty there for you.

There's a water bottle and then there's a few scattered cups, but you don't really feel comfortable drinking out of any of them because it's not clear if they've been used. Yeah. No, I do the Wolf Den in here. So like a lot of the stuff that you're telling me. That's in here. That's in here. Whoa. I'm in the chair where Brad was.

Holy fuck, man. Oh, that's intense. Yeah. So the, well, we can keep doing the tour though, but just know that a lot of this to me. A lot of it you know, but have you ever seen it through Hayes' eyes? No, see, that part's interesting. We were coming into sort of the Engineer Ryan zone of the table. Yeah, I'd love to hear more about that. If you are thinking about cutting costs,

I don't know if you have a last one in, first one out policy. Right. I mean, the thing is, if it comes down to needing to make the show a little bit cheaper, we can take turns doing this ourselves. You guys know how to do the board. I believe we can figure it out. I have to be able to do it based on who I've seen do it. That has to be within my realm of ability.

Or at least half of it. I am positive I can do half of it. If I team up with Hayes, there's very little we can't tackle. So you have more resources than you need, it sounds like right now. No, no, no. Okay, wow, misunderstanding. And this was bound to happen. People from different worlds like this.

You, the business world. I'm looking for efficiencies here. And me, the podcasting world. Okay. But no, it's not that. I would say right now we have two microphones here that we're not using. So in that sense, we could sell these microphones for. Maybe rent them out during your sessions. Yes. Rent them out.

Something like that. Yes. That could be interesting. Build a chamber to do... Airbnb for microphone. A second podcast simultaneously. At the same exact time that I'm recording on this microphone, maybe, you know, Labine or somebody like that is on this microphone here

just sounding off about projects that are coming up. He don't want to jinx it, but it could be really big for him. I mean, anything. So, yeah, there's opportunities here, definitely. Back to Ryan. How do I feel about him? Is there a dress code of any kind? Or have we thought about instituting

one? We haven't. We've always been sort of a startup. We like people to feel comfortable here at work. So no, there hasn't been a dress code. Are you offended by anyone's clothes? I think we could potentially sell some of Ryan's clothes.

In terms of cutting costs and efficiencies that we have here? Yeah. Whatever our profit is, like you might want to – We're not outfitting. Do you guys think that we outfit the engineers like when they get a uniform when they show up? No, but I think it could work in the opposite direction where you seize their – you own their clothing. You de-outfit them. Because honestly, even if you just donated his clothes to like a goodwill and you didn't get anything back, it's a write-off.

That's a write-off. That becomes a write-off. Oh, that's a write-off. That becomes a write-off. Okay. Yeah. And that can be very helpful. And you could say that they were more valuable because they are kind of collectors.

Yeah, they've been in the room. Pieces, yeah. They've been in the room where you do your show. Yeah, yeah. I mean, this is like a Wolf Den church. It's really cool to sit with fans. I appreciate it, guys. Yeah, I'm just blown away.

I guess I never really knew much about the business side of podcasting. So for me, the window into that and how funny it is too, I'm just like, okay, double whammy. I'm like laughing and then I go like, oh, son of a bitch, I just learned something. But I was just tuning in to have fun. Oh, I really appreciate it. And that's the thing is how much we've always respected you and thought you were so cool and not ever said anything about you that would ever make you mad. Well, and I would say

that we respected you so much that we were almost a little intimidated, and if it's ever seemed like we're sort of standing in the corner just snickering about you, or, um... Well, you tazzed me that one time. That we are tazzing out on you, that a lot of that comes from our own insecurities,

and isn't that relatable and forgivable? Yeah, I was getting getting i guess i got the wrong idea about you guys i thought that maybe you i don't know you kind of saw me as the man because i'm your boss i do oh yeah oh yeah you demand all right but not in the sort of like oh he's an evil dictator that's's what I, I kind of just got that vibe from you guys. No, man, an evil dictator. No, man. And that's what,

no, I think that what you're mistaking maybe is, um, you're got it wrong. You know, let's talk about Ryan again. Just as long as we're doing the tour. Cody has,

I'd be the mistake. I think is that Cody has a trick he does called the dictator. Yes. That involves a potato. Yeah. I mean, you've seen this. No, maybe he's trying to keep it. That's an inefficiency, I think.

If you haven't, yeah, if you haven't seen his dictator. We do have a, yeah, we have kind of like a quarterly check-in. I have a quarterly check-in coming up with Cody, so maybe that would be a good time to see it. Can I, a word of advice? No sour cream. If he has you order one, no sour cream, huh? Yeah, all right, thank you.

Because he will come in and say like, hey, can I get some sour cream? And normally I'd be like, yeah. That is a trick. Okay. He'll go, yeah, he wants some sour cream. And then he'll go, because the first time I asked for one with the works, just because I didn't know what was coming for me. Anyway.

Yeah, you were saying, Ryan. Yeah. Oh, Ryan. He got to wear those glasses or we could just get rid of those or maybe, you know, if we find somebody with the same prescription. They appear and disappear. Basically, every time I look over at him, it alternates where the glasses are there, the glasses are gone,

and maybe he could just wear one side of them if that's the way it's going to work. Yeah, I don't really know how the board works, to be perfectly honest, but I don't know that you need depth perception to make it work. Wouldn't seem like it. Yeah. Could be interesting to have a guy

who's just kind of feeling around, you know, like probably be actually better at engineering. Right, this is an audio medium. Think about Stevie Wonder. Yes.

And is just sort of feeling around for the sound, the vibrations in this wonderful table. Yeah, it might actually increase his focus. We mentioned

Cody. How about his clothes? What do you think we could get for him? His clothes? I think the government might pay you to dispose of them. Yeah. So we've got to write off on Ryan's clothes and glasses and then some sort of

incinerator. Some sort of incoming waste disposal fee for Ryan's clothes and glasses and then some sort of incinerator some sort of incoming waste disposal fee for Cody's clothes he's like I mean it makes me think of the Imagine Dragons song Radioactive you know

a lot of stuff makes you think you guys are pretty good business minds it turns out I thought you were just a couple it's from listening to you

yes all credit to you. The wolf. The wolf. We love the wolf aspect. To us, it's such a natural fit and such a great home. And I just, when I start to see that there are these sort of corners cut

and that some of the people are getting shipped off, I just go like oh well I hope you would never view a haze as someone disposable because to me he's just not. Right and why like I honestly think it's weird that I would even be mentioned as somebody disposable as like the primary

host of the show I mean without me there is nothing like driving this thing forward you know like who It's a great point and what there is nothing driving this thing forward. It's a great point. And what is this thing to drive forward if not for me? You can't drive nothing forward. Just be somebody driving.

Imagine an empty car. You want stuff in the car, and I'm in there. I just go back to groceries. The bag of groceries just sitting in the parking lot. Yes, in the back in the car, and I'm in there. Well, imagine the bag of groceries. The bag of groceries just sitting in the parking lot. Yes, in the back of the car. And then if you get trapped in there, you're going to need it. Yeah. Oh, right. Okay, so what I'm hearing here is Hayes drives the show.

Because it's important for me to really know everybody's role at Scripps. They make sure that if I'm kind of – I'm running the ship, which includes your car. They're doing it at Scripps. Yeah, at Scripps. I need to really understand what is everybody contributing. So Scripps is asking stuff like that? So here I'm – yeah, they are. So I'm hearing now that Hayes is the one who's really driving the show.

Well, at the same time, it's like I almost feel like – okay, so if you are looking at a canoe, it kind of looks like the guy in front is doing all the same time, it's like I almost feel like, okay, so if you are looking at a canoe, it kind of looks like the guy in front is doing all the paddling, but actually the guy in the back is steering. So just because he's driving the show doesn't mean he's providing the show with any guidance. Well, I can be the driver and also some of the groceries as well, some of the more healthy stuff, the celery and things like that, which you need to balance out the marshmallow peeps.

Okay, well, good luck getting advertisers for celery. People, they like the peeps. And tell scripts that as well. What are they asking? How often are they asking that? Well, they want to know things like, I'm going to need to tell them sort of what are your weaknesses. Oh, okay.

Where can you stand to improve? My ankles. Your ankles? Yeah. okay. Where can you stand to improve? My ankles. Your ankles? Yeah. Okay. And Hayes? My weakness, I think, is I'm too brave. Actually, can I say that one?

You want to be the too brave? Yes. Okay. Okay, so now I have to say a different one? He took yours. Okay. My weakness, I think, sometimes my arms get a little cold in here. All right, so you've gone from ankles to too brave,

and now you've gone from too brave to arms too cold. Yes, but I make it work. cool yes but i make it work uh now you were mentioning uh some shoe stuff to me before we came in yeah uh just some changes being made on the shoe wall yeah so you know here's the thing like we are we have cut some shows uh-huh we've had to which would seem like there's now more but we're adding kind of you're bringing in more, I don't want to say better, but like we're adding new shows. Probably bigger and better types of shows. Okay. And so we've had to consolidate.

We're running out of space on the shoe wall. So I know you guys aren't thrilled that you have to share a shoe amongst the two of you. But I've had – It's never bothered me. It hasn't? I don't even know if it's come up. Oh, okay. I have to share a shoe amongst the two of you. But I've had – It never bothered me. It hasn't? I don't even know if it's come up. Oh, okay.

Well, I'm going to need you to share a shoe with another podcast now too. So the one shoe – Well, that's – It gets a little worse. You guys – I'm going to need you to take the inside of the shoe Okay So does the shoe open up or something?

So you can at least split it open You almost need a flashlight I guess to really see because it's up on the wall so it's not on the wall. So it's not like you can hold it and look inside. Do we know who's getting the outside of the? Yeah, OMFG.

OMFG. So they're going to be the outside. If people, we can try to position it so that people can sort of crane their heads. Right. To see the inside. So that they have access, yeah. Or maybe sort of being in a little secret shoe. I might leave a mirror around so that people can kind of try to get that angle. And then in terms of the plaque.

You said you were going to put up a third Who Charted plaque from 2009. They got that great article and I've got this space on the wall in my office and I only have the one who charted thing in my office. And so, yeah. Kulop's very important to the network. Don't I know it. And so is Howard. But I noticed that Kulop is doing this other show thing, this CISO thing.

Doesn't that feel like it's not really helping scripts in the same way that some of the other posts? CISO is a wonderful sponsor of the network. They are. Great. Okay. So they're also really important to us. It's good for the goose. I love it, honestly.

And I'm a subscriber, and I use the code. And I use the code. This show's so funny. No, it's not about that. It's not about that. It's just like, is she going to have time to really commit to the studio, whereas a guy like a Hayes, or even more so maybe a Sean, doesn't have a CISO show or anything.

And she also said stuff, honestly, and I can't remember who she was talking about, but sometime after Jeff Ulrich left, and she did say that she was going to pound the new guy so he was flat as a pancake. Yeah. And I honestly don't know who she was talking about. It was this noise with her fist into her palm, and she did say when he least suspects it, as soon as he really lets his guard down.

I haven't gotten that yet. I don't know who she is. I honestly don't. It could have been she was talking about Chris Banyantri or something. Yeah. She could have been talking about was talking about Chris Banyantri or something. Yeah. She could have been talking about Chris and Nick Cannon's brother. She brought me another signed poster with – who charted on it.

She got a poster? Oh, that's good. So good. What a great way to decorate. Well, see, here's the thing. At the network, we want – even though we have to sort of contend with people's time, we want people whose career is on a trajectory that— Upward, yeah. Yeah, upward, yeah.

So we're kind of willing to sacrifice— Upward or sideways, kind of just staying. Yeah, or reliable. Maybe if it's holding still, you know? Because you walk up for a little while, you're going to start huffing and puffing pretty soon. You're on that nice, flat ground. Yeah, if you kind of hold still, you'll have plenty of energy, you know? You're not wasting all this breath.

So is that what I tell the folks at Scripps, that that's sort of, you guys are sort of steady-staters? Or sometimes what can be good is if you want to get a running start is you kind of back up a little bit so that you've got a lot of runway to take off. And career-wise, I feel like that's been a bit of my strategy just this year is I want to make sure to be able to build up enough speed to really take off. So it's like a spring. You're pushing the spring down. Yeah, and so I have had to slide back a little bit, and I actually think it's like a spring. You're pushing the spring down. Yeah, and so I have had to slide back a little bit and I actually think it's a good thing.

You literally have to go backwards to go forwards for certain toy cars. If you know physics, you have to drag it back and go and then boy is it going to speed off so fast. Think about a slingshot. Consider the slingshot, if you will.

You know, or even a trebuchet. These are devices. Sure, you can just push it forwards. It's not going to bonk anyone very hard. No, yeah. Goliath will pound you in the meantime. So, okay. I've been taking notes.

It sounds like. Can we see those notes? Sure. Okay. Here we go. Okay. Okay. A funny drawing. I've only been half paying attention.

Yeah. No, I see. Is that a recipe for porridge? It looks good. Yeah. It's got raisins. It's a family recipe. It's got a raisin.

Yeah. Yeah, one big one. Okay. And then this is a poem. I suppose you don't want me to read this. I'd prefer you didn't. Okay. I'll just give you the first line.

Yeah, maybe just read a little, but not the whole thing, please. Out loud. Oh. I mean, I was reading it. Honestly, I don't know. I know it. If you want to read it to Hayes, you can. Okay.

Shark Week. Oh, man. I mean, is there a better week on TV? Booyakasha. Big LED fan. That's really nice, Adam. Thank you. Yeah. That was very thoughtful it has

rich layers oh yeah for me I feel like I know you better it made me think about my dad honestly yeah it made me think about sailing just cause there's sharks in the water. Yeah. And the sail kind of

looked like a fin on the boat. So, just kind of shifting gears a little, why did you guys want me on the show? On the show? What are you doing here? I'm flattered, like I said, been a big fan. I guess just like any excuse to hang.

It's been... And we know, like, honestly, now that you mentioned it, I didn't think about this, but I did notice that, like, none of the other shows, especially the ones that got She Can't Have Had You as a guest. Yeah, that does make sense, actually.

Which I think was, honestly, super fucked up of them. I was on. If they weren't already canceled, I would do it again right now. Do you guys listen to Spontaneanation? Spont, yeah. Spont, yeah. I was on that show.

Okay. Yeah. And that one is on still? That one's getting a lot of love right now. Yes. Yeah. That one's full of ads. And this is perhaps going to launch us into that.

The new logo that's like an old scroll. Yeah. Oh, does it have a new logo? Yeah, it's like a treasure map. I guess. Yeah, it is. I'm not saying that my presence there made the audience bigger. I'm not saying it didn't either, but what I'm saying

is that the gesture that you're talking about, Hayes, of having me on, it has led, directly or indirectly, to just a lot of our salespeople really focused on that show. Great. Well, that's honestly not even something that even occurred to us.

The sales side of it. I know so little about the sales side of it i mean i you know i know so little about the business side of podcasting um but you you listen though right yes no i do but i feel like even then i'm only scratching the surface like it just feels like that's a show that would you guys want to want to be on the wolf den oh Well, what day are you thinking? Don't say any day. Oh, no. Don't say any day. Oh, no.

Don't say. What were you going to? I was going to say I'm flexible, but maybe early next week. Oh, no. Don't say next week. That's so bad for me. Are you guys traveling? Oh, no.

I could do later in the week. Oh, gosh. Don't. It's flexible. I could do later in the week. Oh, gosh. Don't. It's flexible. I'm going to be really sick. Yeah. All right.

I'm going to be stuck in traffic. We should do a quick popcorn gallery. We have all these questions for Adam. So we'll sing the song and I'll do the,

or I'll sing it and you do the bag. We haven't done it for a while, but special guest. Yep. Popcorn gallery, it's a while, but special guest. Yep. The popcorn gallery, it's time for it. The popcorn gallery, the segment on Hollywood.

You do the bag. Shining, the views, the questions, not peanut galleries, but movies. And movies is the reason they call it popcorn gallery. Shining, the views, the questions, time for it. Getting closer. The popcorn gallery. And I found it. A kazoo.

And here's the. A kazoo. And here's the first question from Mike. And Mike says, don't you think this show right now is so good and it's got to keep being on? Yeah, it's a really good show. You know, we always say here at mid roll, nobody is irreplaceable or indispensable. So that comes up that much. It comes, you always say, wow. I would say even if that's a like motto of the company, it's our mission statement. Yeah. Wow. Um, but yeah, no, I,, yeah, no, I like you guys a lot.

Having sat here for a little while, I am thrilled that your show is still here. I don't know if you didn't get the email. I don't know what happened with the email. Email is like a flawed system. Mine's off. I don't think we've cracked it with email. I think there's going to be something else. It's like when we were listening to 8 Tracks or something.

Yes. And it was like, we haven't found CDs yet. Either way, I'm happy that you guys are still around. Yeah. We're loving it as well. I think you really are. We're trying to build a diverse network. Big shows. You can't get a diverse network. Big shows.

You can't get more diverse than me and Sean. Hayes Davenport. Yeah. And Sean. Yeah. Well, Sean, of course, is one eighth Native American. Oh, gosh. Yeah.

Keneho. Yeah. So I guess the answer is I'm really happy that you guys are still here with us today. Great. That sounds conclusive to me great answer from Mike and that's the whole popcorn gallery and thanks for tuning

in again and please do rate us on iTunes subscribe to Wolf Den and go to the bathroom you know and with the commercial break when you're watching TV you don't want to miss any of that show. So what else?

Adam probably wants to do the bye. Okay, Adam, go for it. What do I do? You just say, say bye. Bye. Yeah! All right. Thanks again to 5Fort Clothing for sponsoring today's episode.

5Fort Clothing is a $60 a month high-end clothing membership that will provide you with stylish clothes that are bound to make you stand out in the crowd. Hayes, if I could, if I could real quick. Okay. Can I just tag something on? Yes, this is the post-roll so you can do whatever you want. Okay, so for School by Sean's Suits for Badass Toddlers,

one thing I do want to say is I guess because there is so much writing on the posters themselves that are the clothes we the warning labels that we also printed on there are not necessarily getting read that you know use your head if

you buy them posters are very flammable well these are baby. You were selling this to little babies. You're telling them to use their head? Yeah. I mean, toddlers aren't babies. They're toddling around.

So, you know, they're very flammable. This material in particular, more flammable than most. So do not let them get near anything staticky that could create some kind of spark. Don't let them eat wintergreen Lifesavers and crunch them in the dark. Don't let them do anything that would really, even don't let them be in like a hot car

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