Hollywood Handbook - Anna Konkle, Our Close Friend

Episode Date: April 14, 2026

The Boys are super excited to talk to ANNA KONKLE (Pen15, The Afterparty) about how they also have a new book coming out, but things quickly turn combative. Pre-order Anna's new memoir, The Sane One, here!   Get a Hat Pack Hat here! Check out Sean and Hayes’s bonus shows at Patreon.com/HollywoodHandbook Listen on the iHeartRadio App!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Yeah, I actually wanted to, do you want to decompress one at a time? Sorry, we're dealing with something. Do you want to decompress one at a time or can we do it at the same time? I can go if you need me to. I would like you to be here. Not like that, not saying stuff, but like just to be present would be nice. Sure thing. I can witness your decompression

and then I'll I'll be in a much better position to witness yours after I've gone and I'm afraid you'll actually be in a better position to witness mine when you're I kind of need a little bit of yes a little bit of tickling because you're moving your fingers

trunk or you know like in order in order to see you do that gunk in the trunk I don't know what that is, but I'm going to watch. I sometimes move my fingers when I'm trying to think of a word or summon something, and I'm not necessarily trying to tickle a ghost or anything like that. Sorry. Just we like to be very intentional, and I want you to decompress. We like to be very intentional when we imply that one another, because it is an audio medium, are touching someone.

So the idea that I would be tickling someone, you know, without getting. their express permission or even if I was tickling someone who sorry what did you say without being what? I said without being and then did you say hard?

I don't believe I said that but I could have tickling someone without being hard sorry I think that I was thinking of something else I'm wondering if I do need to decompress first I'm a witness I'm quiet

you are speaking you are decompressing I'm so sorry So I'm just going to kind of sit back and take in Hayes as he goes through his process. My process is really, really quick. Let me just do it real quick. Done. So he's all done with his. Mine's a little longer.

Oh. I do go through an emotional freedom therapy methodology where I am tapping different pressure points and I have a sort of mantra that I go through. I have a question that I want to ask myself. Did you say hard again? Did you say hard? I don't. Yeah, I did.

I thought that's where you were going with that. I'm so sorry. Okay. All right. So sorry about that. No, I'm super embarrassed. It's easier for us to move on, actually. If we just, we don't do the apology anymore.

We don't ideally say hard anymore. It's just that you've done it two times. One time. No, you did it two times. That was not just one time. You did it twice. Because I did it on tickling. And then I did it again on tapping.

On tapping. Yes, I'm 100% sure you did it two times. Okay. All right. So I'm just going to do my. You say so. You're not going to get hard in front of the guess. You won't get hard in front of the guest.

Professional podcast host. Guest won't notice, even if you do. Your lap is below the table. You won't get hard in front of the guest. They have no idea. Even if you... Well, I'm ready to podcast. So, um...

It's just been... Oh, no. That's not supposed to happen. That's supposed to happen. The computer fell over on the table And it wasn't from him His rod getting so hard And smacking the table

Knock it over I was hitting it with my hands You could see so that was making the table Vibrate a little bit And the word vibrates It's not causing me to do anything You So

Anna the Conkler is here You've conkled Hollywood and now you're here to congle the podcast space as well and I'm having a little fun with your name but it's Anna Conkel. She is multi multi multi hyphenate. There's not enough hyphens for what she does. And it's like so many things and just everything she sees she goes, give me that. I want that. Yeah, I'm taking it.

That's mine now. You're my show. You're my position. Ooh, I want that. You know what I mean? And like, I should be in that. Not you. Well, I'm not trying to take other people's parts or anything like that. But you are. I mean, ultimately it is sure. And then people are like, no, you can't be in it, you know. But at times they go, no, you can't be in it to everyone else. And they say you can be in it. And everyone else has to go home. It's unusual. Like. But it's, but it's happened. Has it happened. Sure. It must have.

How do people get, you know, hard, sure. So you were trying to take everyone else's part and failed? Is that what you're saying? I wasn't trying to take parts directly from someone that had it in their hands. Should you have tried harder? Would that have made the conditions more favorable for you? For me getting the part. If you had actually been trying?

Well, I definitely certainly always try. Okay, you literally just said you did. You don't want to over try. Well, what I'm what I'm trying to say is like, you don't want to. want to over try. I don't want to take something when it belongs to somebody else, although I have heard of actors writing letters to directors being like, this must go to me. Have I done that? No. Have you? Have you? But, well, I have not done expressly what you're describing in terms of, what was it you said? Writing a letter to a director to convince them that, like, please, I'm the right

person for this that i've that you've done that i've done okay um have you seen black swan i sure have it should have been me okay it should be both of them i should have been both parts i thought you meant two black swans there's one black swan there's not a black swan sequel have you seen the film actually um well first of all have you seen the film yes was it was there you seen the film Is it any good? Black Swan? I couldn't watch it, you know? Too sad.

Too close to it. I had just heard about it. I heard they were doing this running gun production in New York that Aronovsky was just unloading on the whole city just. Oh. And I said, this is, I've got to be a part of this. And then when I heard it was ballet, I said, still. Still? Still?

Even so. Oh, even so. Yeah. You write that as a letter? Some people. To the show? Emails. Some do that.

Emails. Emails, letters. Hey. You know there's a button on the remote now with a microphone. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. You press the button. You can give voice commands during any show.

Okay. And say, can we at least admit that I would have crushed this part? And not better or worse, not not to take nothing away from the performance we're all watching, can we at least acknowledge that I would have fucking smash this thing? Absolutely barreled this pitch into the second deck. And is there anything that can be done now to sort of write the wrong of not getting to see me? In Black Swan. Is that what we're saying?

For anything. Fred Flintstone in the cartoon. The original cartoon? Not be Barack Vegas, but in the original cartoon. And I understand why they didn't cast Hayes because he was very young. Yeah, I was going to say, how old were you when that came out? I was, you know, I was like, couldn't have been over 30. I thought you're going to say three.

Couldn't have been over 30, 29 maybe. I was in college, but it was before like they knew exactly what age to do college at. You know what I mean? The original cartoon of the Flintstones. Yes. When they were first starting to come up with the idea for college, they were like, this should be for like... When should it start?

Yeah. This is for grown-ups. Yeah. Well, it's a very adult idea to pursue that level of education, you know. And you're like living all by yourself and... First they were like, we know this is for kids. Then they were like, should this be for kids? And then they started letting, no, no, no.

Well, so sorry. You got age late in the day. He was in college. You were in college. And that was just called college because it was the first one. It was before college really had the sort of codified age brackets that we think about now. And I think we should maybe go back to this because if you see what goes on with some of these fraternities and some of the issues that people have, I think it's because they're so young. They're making these mistakes.

Whereas at the time that Hayes was going to college, he couldn't have been more than 30, 29 or so, maybe late 30s. I was 20. So they also had a skipping years. Yeah. And so they would have you like go and come back. Okay. So my first year I was 31. Okay.

And then they had me come back when I was 51. And his major was prehistoric cartoonity. Prehistoric cartoonity. And which if you then look at the Flintstones. That's what they are. Such a natural pairing with Hayes, who was actually aware because there were many inaccuracies in the show. And I've watched it with Hayes. And he is constantly saying, I wouldn't have let them do that.

I would have corrected that, you know. And they wouldn't have been able to stop me because I'm Fred Flintstone. At that point, yes. He's Fred Flintstone. He has so much creative control. You know, from within the scene, he can actually operate. Do you ever feel like within the scene, when you, you know, he's not? And you, to go back to you.

Okay. Only if you want. Yeah. To go back to you and your thing, do you ever feel like within the scene as you're performing in a way you are kind of directing that you are creating it? Even though the cameras are said or whatever, that you have so much influence over what they're going to see in the final product. Mm-hmm. Well, and you don't even really have to say the lines that they want you to say. Well, Fred Flintstone wouldn't have if it been Hayes because they didn't talk like that.

They didn't have our modern language. Okay. You would have done hieroglyphic speak. Or sorry, I didn't study this. I don't have time. I don't have time to educate you. Please don't make me educate you. Right.

So it's not his job to educate you. I should know. And I want to apologize for that. The professor. No, I'm sorry. Which at the time, they just called the professor because there's only one. To me, it's whatever. And this is about your book?

So you're doing a book? By the way. We gotta do that. A book? We gotta write one of these. You don't have a book? It's not hard. We have to.

The fact is we have a million damn books and we just haven't put them down yet. You know what I mean? We haven't actually. You don't mean put them down, killed them. You mean put them down. We would be killing it. Okay, in a good way. We would be killing it.

I see that. Killing them hardly. I know. We have one that we. Right. Yeah. What did you say? Killing them hardly.

Killing hardly. Right? Wow. You're wordy. That's very good. He's so amazing. Different words. And you just say things like, this is a sentence.

Here's my book. It's. I just do it. You do it. Yeah. And you lay it down. It's honestly like a magician. It's like, and by the way, I didn't ask for this.

The gift of the noodle? Yes. I think people sometimes think like, oh, he's showing off. And to me, I go, I literally don't have a choice. Yeah. If I could go back in time. and like, you know, choose to have this gift or not, I don't know that I would. Because it's not always easy.

And it is sometimes a turnoff for people. Being really smart. I'm a great writer. Yes, having this, these language abilities. When we pitched the book. Oh, you've been pitching the book and they're like, you're a turnoff. We have a story to tell. Uh-huh.

I mean, this. We got to do this book. I mean, let's talk about yours for one second. Let's get yours so that we can get just a sort of a control. I'm no professional, though. Let's get like a control group and then you'll have something to measure our book against. Okay, meaning we'll just measure which one's better kind of thing. Well, your book is, your book is, there can be got to be two books.

It is subjective. It's allowed to be two books in the world. I'm glad that it exists, but I think for the audience, it'll be nice to hear what a normal book is and then hear how we're really transforming the medium. Okay. So your book's normal. So it's a memoir. It is a memoir. What are we remembering?

We're remembering death. Anything dishy? Are we dishing on any celebs? There's Sasha Baron Cohen. Okay. You want a little dish on that? Yeah, we'll take it. Are Hayes is still thinking about it?

That's okay. We can skip it. No, it's fine. It's just like, I'm almost like, we're going to have him on the show? Yeah, yeah. Just read. Just read. Just read it. Okay.

You know. Okay. Is there an audio version? Yeah. Who reads the audiobook? Me. I'll probably just read it. Yeah.

And do you think you'll do an audiobook for yours? One step at a time, please. You seem really ahead of yourself. So I just, which in a good way in like a, sorry, I just hit the mic. But in like a motivated way where you're like, I know I'm good enough. You're doing all these breathwork things. I won't get hard. I don't get hard.

And our life happen that we want to share could be useful for people that are going through the same thing. Together. That happened together. Together. This is a unified memoir. Yes. We are partners. We have worked together.

No. No. If we were, we've literally never fought anyone on the show before. If you want to do it. This is not going to be the first show where we have a lot. What have we ever fought anyone on the show? Literally, all we do is create a safe environment where people have the best podcast experience of their life.

That's all we've ever done on this show. And then today all of a sudden you wanted to be about fighting. You said, let's fight. Which to me, we've literally never done that on the show. I thought I said, is this a fight? Did I say let's fight? My mistake, things are flying out of my mouth like hard and let's fight and I thought, you know, you shouldn't get a book deal, stuff like that.

This is what Hayes heard. And this is Hayes is. lived experience. You were like, okay. Is this a fight? Yeah, that's what I said. Is this a fight right now? Am I the only one of the feeling this? Yeah, like, did I do something wrong? Did I do something wrong? That's what I'm saying. And you're going, ah, which usually means, yeah. It's not always about like you and what you did. For example, I'd like to talk about our story for our book. We're not as perfect. We were about you talk about your book for so long. The entire show so far, we've barely spoke. about my book. And I would love to hear about yours. You want to do the whole audio book now?

First thing. I'm not trying to do the audio book. I'm just trying to tell you like what I don't even think I've told you one thing about what the book was about. No offense. But like I brought up Sasha, you know, my friend. And you guys were like, no, we don't want to hear about that. Oh, we were hooking up. Yeah, sure. And then you guys were like, no, we don't want to hear about that. You guys were hooking up. No. What? What? Literally what? One time So well now I am interested in this Yeah no this is so

Now you're interested Because it's a celebrity Who am I fucking dog shit? I'm interested well actually One moment I'm interested in clarifying For the audience that you can't just come on And make a sensational claim

That you were hooking up with Sasha Baron Cohen What I think more likely you were hooking up with Bruno or General Aladin. I think it's far more likely that who you hooked up with was General Alidine, Bruno, the dictator.

That's General Aliddeed. Yeah, but that's who it is. Are you insinuating that who I hooked up with was not Sasha Baron Cohen at all, but an impersonator of one of his characters? I didn't say that. That's what I'm sensing. Well,

Well, when Sasha is General Aladin, he is Natasha. And anyone who knows him knows that. Oh, it's method. And he's a good friend of yours. Well, one thing I'm curious about is you said that this guy you hooked up with then died. And so. I didn't see that. You did.

That is actually exactly what you said. Oh, and I keep saying hard. You're hard. You're hard. You're hard. Oh, I don't get hard. The table's here. Like, right.

You guys are fucking crazy. So this is going to Starting now Be a no gas light zone Okay, I agree Hands in That's fine I don't want you to do something to it

I actually don't trust you Because you're the first guest who's ever tried to make this a fight We've been doing the show for 13 years recorded And several years before that When we were just practicing without microphone Yes Yes

So I now am like In this space where it's like No I'm not just going to give you my hand You might do something crazy to it Wait what You're not going to let anyone do something crazy to it I'm not going to give you my hand

You might do something crazy to it Oh I'm sorry I didn't hear you And I would not going to say I wouldn't let anyone I'm not going to let you Wow Is that recording Are we being recorded She must make sure that cameras were on

for when she like Actually not kidding Swing at us Yes I was told that there was no recording Do you know You were told that this would not be recorded You were told there would be no recording

On camera Mike's check Camera never did a camera check Who told you this? I told you you had to sit in that chair Do you know Because the cameras were set for different heights. I know.

I didn't think about that deeply. So do you know Kevin? I know a lot of Kevin's. Okay. Kevin is, Kevin works on the show. Yes. Mm-hmm. And so.

Oh, God. I'm so sorry. I'm feeling uncomfortable. We used to. Well, don't say that. No, well, don't just leave that. Don't just leave that. Don't say that.

Actually, please. Yes, we are recording and please say, I am feeling very comfortable. Literally, I just started to talk about our story after letting you talk about it like literally forever. Endlessly. What did I talk about endlessly? Some guy who you think was Sasha Barron Cohen, you hooked up with him and he died, which I was going to say, sorry. But he hooked up with general. He is alive.

Who? Sasha Barron Cohen is still alive. Right. That's what you've been told. So you think. That they covered it up and they had to do a different one? I've heard of like security checks in prison. But what does that have to do with this?

I've heard of wheat checks. Okay, hold on. I mean, I swear to God, what this man is. There's people swap. I don't want to do it. It's going to sound Q andani. I'm not going to go there with you. I don't want to do it.

I feel, let me just state for the record, I feel comfortable. even though there's I just saw myself get zoomed in on also but that's not the feed they'll see we could just keep it like that's not the feed they're going to see okay what feed can we pause

okay let's take a pause let's take a pause something that we've also never done on the show before really yeah I helped the decompression bras rising up

again so There was one thing we asked you not to talk about. What? Kevin should have sent you a list. Yes, the, yes, the cameras will be recording. So what's paused? Do not mention bras.

My bra's uncomfortable. Is that okay? Is that too sexy for you? Is that I'm going to get canceled because my bra's uncomfortable? Yeah, women wear bras. Some of us, anyone can. can if you want. Cheers.

Here's what I would like the rest of the show to be. Great. Thank you. I would like it to be an honest discussion. Me as well. Of both of our books. Okay. Ours.

Yes. Which does not include lies. Or being published yet. Which does not claim that we hooked up with Sasha Barricow. It's so hard that he exploded and died. that somehow we had some magical sexual power. I didn't say we exploded. I said we hooked up, which meant kiss.

And that it killed him. No, not that it killed him, that he died later on. But when you say exploded, we all know what you're talking about. No one exploded. Okay? We didn't get that far. I can't help but wonder how Aila would feel about the timeline on this either. Because it takes a little while to publish a book.

Guess what? Isla don't care. What? I think you're trying to do my thing and I think it's just... Is that your thing? Is that your thing? Yeah. No one told me. The clever word stuff.

Okay, you have a book. Oh, so it was clever. Thank you. I knew we'd get along. Well, I said trying. Okay. Well, I said trying. I heard you the first time. I think the audience needed to hear it twice. For what purpose? So I'm just looking at our agenda here.

Our agenda here is talking about. both our books. Should we unpause? The first item, talking about your book. Yes, let's unpause. Yes. It has been accomplished.

Did you guys really pause in there? Don't pause in that. She doesn't get to call pause. I thought you call. We'll only pause if you guys call pause. Thank you. Unpause. Should I use a different word if I need to pause?

Such as hold, stop, please, anything? You could use hold, yeah. Okay, thank you. So you guys have pause. I've pulled. Sorry. All right. But there should be a double check on the hole.

If she does hold, do double check on hold. Got it. Copy. Thank you. And if they are doing a pause, you could just text me and I'll say, all good. You don't have to wait for that. And I will keep... Casey, you have Casey's number? Do you know Casey?

Sorry, do you need my number? If you have Casey's number... Yeah, I can you please tell us. If you have Casey's number, I now am going to tell the camera that I am uncomfortable. And I am feeling on safe to... this recording you guys it is strange that we can see ourselves on the screen that's not normal for the recording oh that's not typical it's the first time i was wondering why i saw myself being zoomed in on but yeah my number you ready old boston number wow that's how you know it's real

and i am going to change my number tomorrow but that's what it is today start the clock okay and go yep right Or you should say go. It's not my podcast. Go for podcast. Hayes is going to talk about the book. Our book, the one people are probably at this point pretty excited to hear about since they've been hearing about nothing but your book. Celebrate your pride with the station that says bold, vibrant and diverse as you are.

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sandwich, which is bread like a sandwich, but tomato sauce and cheese inside. Tomato sauce cheese. Not hot. After one time, he gave it to us way too hot. Yes.

The pizza sandwich. The pizza sandwich. Pizza Parmesan sandwich. He put it in. He calls it his nini machine. Paninis? I'm just telling you what Kevin said. Okay. And I never went back to double check on that.

Way too hot. I'm hearing now from you that it was likely a pinini press. I'm just assuming if he called it, did he call it a nini? He said I have to put it in my nini machine We We had initially said we were not going to record Unless we could get a pizza parmesan sandwich He said nini's for my queenies

Yeah he said nini for my queenie You think it's sweet that he called us Our queenies with big weenies I didn't hear the weenies I just heard the nini And I don't think I heard it either You guys keep fucking with it. Anyway we bite into these things

They're so hot It sealed the cheese and the sauce inside, shot them out at each other. Yeah. What? We took a bite. It's shooting out. Both of us.

On both of us. We tried to synchronize our bites, which was actually really sweet, and actually was going to be a whole part of the book. Our arms through each other thing, take a bite. Yeah. The nini queenies. Yeah. Sort of a brotherhood bite.

And we would lock forearms, and then we would take a big honkid chomp. but it shot the sauce and cheese at both sides. That's funny. Like lava. That was funny. But then Kevin left. Mm-hmm. And do you see a pizza sandwich here in front of me?

No. This was today. Sorry to jump on the answer, but I just kind of can't trust you to answer it. No, you don't see a pizza sandwich. I don't. That's what I was going to say. so hungry and that

I think has to be a book I think it has to be in the book. I think it's a story that has to be told. I feel like I'm going to faint. I think it has to be in the book. I think it has to be the book. If I can transmit that feeling the like I'm going to literally faint from being so fucking hungry. Oh hungry.

Not hard. It does seem like No. It does seem like if I'm sorry. I thought I was finishing your If you were going to accidentally say something there. It should have been hard.

And I accidentally, I mean, right. And if I was doing it on purpose, I would say I accidentally said hot. And I meant hard. But I'm not doing it on purpose. I would ask you to whatever you do for the rest of the show, try doing it on purpose. Because what has been happening so far is not working for me. Oh. And I don't have a choice.

We have to release this one. This fell over, so we have no idea how long it is supposed to happen. Yeah. Because that fell over. Oh, that's... I don't know where or when I am. This screen is not supposed to be on. This screen is not on.

This one's never been on before. That one's always on. The book is called The Sane One. It's sort of a disc track response to the crazy ones, the Robin Williams, Sarah Michelle Geller sitcom that was on and you're kind of saying like if you like that you'll love this I'm promoting the book

I just heard Sarah Michelle Geller I'm so sorry I'm sorry I'm distracted here I'm designing you're doing fucking origami imagine living in that Do you want to know what happens in my book? What happened? My fucking dad dies Sorry thank you Sasha Parenthold's your dad

Have you hooked up with them? Like that? No no no no no Separate. Sorry. Okay. So there's the part where Sasha, Baron Cohen, I'm going to be honest with you, we don't hook up. He doesn't die. I just saw him. And his name is in the book. And I say, there he is.

He's on his phone. Because I went to the fucking Emmys. Okay. Dishing. Now we're dishing. So that's the dish on Sasha. We should be dishing. My dad died soon after the Emmys.

Because of that. Not related to Sasha, not related to the phone. It's like a 5G thing or? He might have had Wi-Fi poisoning. In addition, that's certainly not the catalyst. Wi-Fi does not cause lung cancer. Okay. That we know of, correct?

Other problems. Wi-Fi. Yes. That's as far as we know. As far as doctors know. Okay. So that's my book. And I, to be clear, like not a competition, I love the pizza sandwich story.

And I think that could be a really interesting. Well, it's an actual story. Yeah. And mine's just a bullet point. And I think it was a very sad thing that happened. But I want to congratulate you, Anna, that was a very brave thing for you to share. It wasn't brave. It's just my life.

After we shared something that was like actually like a bad thing that happened to us. The exploding cheese. I'm still not sure if that was a sexual insinuation. And sauce. And now we're so hungry. You keep touching your bottle weird. That's literally happening to me right now. I just am so sad.

It's empty. This is reminding me of the sandwich not being here. An empty sandwich after it exploded. And we just shared that with you and you're like, oh, this thing happened to me. I'm a billion years ago, no offense. I don't think you went to the Emmys this year. Well, it wasn't a billion. How do you know I didn't go?

to the Emmys this year. I watched. They didn't go to my, sorry, they didn't zoom in to me. You know what I mean? It doesn't mean I wasn't there. I don't think Sacha was there either. I could have been there. I'm in this business.

It's my job to know like who's, like, who's got the juice. Unlike you, no, we weren't there. We don't see art as like a constant string of competitions. My job to know. It's not like, oh. That's not how I want to play this game. I have removed myself from. Emmy consideration.

Really? I didn't know you could do that. So when somebody tells me about their book, I'm not like, oh, it's a book contest. Let me, like, come up with, like, this, like, incredibly impactful, you know, personal thing that, like, they're not going to be able to address in any way. Like, so then I'll say that. And then it's just like, bam, like, now my book wins. I just go, like, oh, I have a book?

You have a book? Mine's good. Yours. I don't really see it still. And it's the same. with the Emmys where it's like I'm just not going to go like okay like oh I'm like watching a trophy or like a you know no he's here to just take your you ask how to take yourself out of consideration I just says if it was possible is that button on the you do it on the button on the remote at the beginning

at the beginning of the ceremony on the Apple remote you just say like thank you but like what are you talking about please give it to somebody else yeah in the audience of that means in the audience yeah I mean like at home or like yeah that's where you can like really see what's going on. Well, I am sorry that I, I don't fully agree with what you're saying, but I see where you're coming from that. I made it a competition. I thought you were making it a competition.

And so then I, I, I put- How would I be competing? Like, I don't know. How would I be thinking that? I literally said we had an awesome book and then I just like, don't even know like what you're talking about. And that's something that I deal with in my book is just making things about me a lot and going to therapy and going like what's happening with that and so that's in the book too what

huh how to get your money back got to get your money back try to get your money back yeah okay and so i am actually because he ripped me off was the emmy's fun because he fucked me over you have a man therapist what's wrong with that a little weird how so Never mind. It's working great. What do you mean? It's working great with your hand up. That seemed maybe not genuine. Is he wearing like a... And then you went like that with your eyes. What kind of hat does he wear in the...

I don't want to be under the microscope here. But when you're like, you're getting therapy. Yeah. Does he have like a baseball helmet on or like what is he? Yeah. Oh, you've never done therapy. What's he got on? Well, my therapist is not like a man.

Like, what's he wearing in the thing? Is he like a construction worker? Like, what kind of helmet does he have on? Oh. You have like a sheriff's badge on or something? The man therapist? Yeah. No, he just is wearing clothes like you guys sort of.

He kind of looks like you guys. I'm wearing that this might be a slash barren collar character as well. So that's why you're treating this. The therapist? Conversation. Oh, no. What? That's why you're treating this conversation like a therapy session instead of.

Instead of helping us. Crack your book? Get a book. Deal with randomness. Whatever. Well, you know that your book got, like, published. And you know that we're sitting on fucking dynamite over here with our goddamn sandwich story. And it feels like there's an opportunity here, right, for a little bit of synergy.

Yeah. And instead of sending the ladder back down. you're somehow just like walling off and even further creating barriers between us. Around the ladder. The time that you walked in, there was already like a pretty... Because I was late? Is that what this is about? I wasn't going to bring up you being late.

But we can talk about it. You were 90 minutes late. Well, it was 90 minutes. I was about five minutes. But each time you grab each. rung of the ladder it's a wall yeah though you made every rung into a wall

oh that's harsh picture that every time there was a ladder and I made it into a wall like you guys are like oh I'm about to and then I'm just making a fucking wall for you on just showing me the rung

just long enough to make me reach for it and then bam it's a fucking wall Almost. Sorry. Honestly. Your book is with Random House? Yeah. Bill Mars podcast.

What? That's Bill Mars podcast? That's fucking nuts, dude. Your book is with Bill Mars podcast? That is not where I would publish my book. At Bill Maher's podcast, The Random House. Oh. Sorry, it's a publishing.

It's like a long time. publishing company. But I didn't know, yeah, or Bill Mars. He is won the Emmy. Really? And yet you went and were complicit of that? Are you guys doing these things with the napkins to fuck with me? He has a sort of a chalet.

Oh, he is doing something to fuck with me. Random house. Okay. Right. Yeah. Is there another piece to the pizza sandwich story or that's sort of the whole thing? Yeah, there's another piece. The piece is when it becomes a fucking book.

And people actually start reading again. We need to get men reading again. And the other piece is the piece of it on my plate when the book comes out. And it's the only way I can get Kevin's attention at this point. I say, hey, Kevin. I wrote this book. It has a really important message in it. for you. Is this what I have to do to get through to you, Kevin?

Is this the only thing you, is this the only thing you listen to anymore? Sorry, I said, hold. So double check the hold with me first. Sean, I'm double checking the hold with you. Hold denied. Okay. I'll just wait on, um, oh, hi, it's Casey. Casey texted you? Stay on the hold.

Casey, you're fumbling. Fumbling this. Text override denied. Sorry, the hold got denied. Please. Sorry. She texted me, please? That was the only thing that she ended up texting you from all that was just please.

Well, I told her the hold got denied. She's asking, please, I'm checking with you guys. Oh, okay. So we were hearing both sides of the conversation. I see now. I see now. Very legible. Oh, there's hearts that Gaze failed to miss.

mention. Oh, just kidding. I wonder how Mrs. Casey feels about that. I didn't know there was a Mrs. Casey. Yeah, and I think he intentionally left that out. She's going to be Mrs. Casey at the bat. Sorry, can we hold? Can we just hold? Request for a hold? So really a Mrs. Casey? So can we take it back so that's hearts isn't in there then? Okay, let's pause. So, just text me to see if the pause is going to go through. So the, um, he's dot, dot, dotting. we are paused. So the Mrs. Casey thing, we actually have the same question.

She's definitely been referenced at points, but none of us have ever seen her. And the resume that she appears to have doesn't feel likely. Like a wife resume? He goes through her resume. Yeah. It's always like new stuff.

Like she just has an incredible number of jobs. Yeah. That are wife related. It's not, why do you keep saying like wife jobs, wife related? It has literally nothing to do with that. The person that he claims to be in a relationship with has a laundry list of achievements that seem, you know, impressive at first and then start to make you doubt whether anyone has done this many thing. I see. He'll come in one day just like, it's always nice, but he's like, my wife is the most amazing mailman.

Mailman? So many jobs. Oh, she's a mailman. Well, one day she is. Most amazing mailman. But she's not trying to get a man. a job. She must be trying to get a job here if he's bringing you the resume. So it's not a formal resume. He has been hiding the male. It's not like a result. He's trying to get her a job. Mrs. Casey's a job.

One time he came in and he was like, he said it's so sexy to be dating the first female F1 driver. The F and F and F1 is for female now. It's female one. And she is the first one. And also she delivers the male so fast. Really? So I was like, how is she doing both these things? things, you know, and those are just two things. It's every day it's something new. And they're married. And none of the old jobs fall out. So like every day it's a new job, but it can combine with all those other ones. Friges on the fritz. Never happens at my house. My wife's the best refrigerator repair person at town. And she gets to all the repair jobs so quickly in her F1 car. And it manages to throw the mail in the mailbox. Uh-huh.

From away. It's just wild. And that was day three. Mm-hmm. This is feeling a lot better than when we were not. paused oh we got to unpause it we got it we're not going to have enough for the show are we still paused is the fighting like part of the bit we're still paused because i can go right back into it when we unpause because i did approve the pause you really you really want to fight what do you mean no no no i actually love this vibe but it's your podcast so if you're like oh fuck you woman I'm like, yeah, fuck you, you know. But if you want a vibe, I can vibe.

The main takeaway I've gotten from that whole word salad, you just spewed it. It was just that you do understand that it is our podcast, which is the first time I think that's been acknowledged. Yeah. And we would never say what you just said, I won't even say as a joke. We would never say that. We literally host a podcast engineered by the man who is married to the world's first female F-Wed driver. Yeah, so if you want to talk about being progressive, and she's also, I believe, according to Casey,

single-handedly doing the full redesign on the White House. I can hear someone laughing. Not used to it. First time. I was coughing. Sorry. We're still pause, by the way. Well, unpause, Casey.

Unpause. Unpause. Approved. I'm just going to text you. I don't need you to approve. And it's going to be really. So the whole thing is like the most incredible refrigerator like the entire White House. So that she can always fix it like if anything goes wrong.

So she can fix anything and it has a racetrack between rooms. And the whole thing is a mailbox. And a fridge. And all the mail can go there. Yeah. For the White House. Yeah. Or the people that run the country are.

Yeah. They're going to be cold. That's intentional. I assume. I love that. What? I love that. What?

Just that little extra, like. They're going to be cold. That thing, you know? Do you do that in the book? Yes. Does that happen in the book? Though we're going to be cold. Well, yeah.

I mean, there's context applied to it here, but that attitude, does that come through in the book at all? What part do you do it in? What's the beginning? The beginning is basically like the doorbell rings and I, my dad is at the door and I haven't spoken to him in five years. Forcing him. Bye. When a group of women discover they've all dated the same prolific con artist, they take matters

into their own hands. I vowed. I will be his last target. He is not going to get away with this. He's going to get what he's. deserves. We always say that trust your girlfriends. Listen to the girlfriends.

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