Hollywood Handbook - Cam George and Pete Ditzler, Our Talking Talk Tuah Friends

Episode Date: April 8, 2025

The Boys talk to CAM GEORGE and PETE DITZLER about their podcast Talking Talk Tuah.Get a Hat Pack Hat here!Watch the video of today’s episode at Patreon.com/HollywoodHandbook Like the show? Rate Hollywood Handbook 5-Stars on Apple PodcastsAdvertise on Hollywood Handbook via Gumball.fm See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

This is a headgum podcast. So the theme song's playing. I don't gotta tell you guys. It's gonna come in through post-production. You guys are gonna add that in there? I guess. And this is like, when I hear you talk about this stuff, I'm just like, I mean, I remember when I was so dialed

into every aspect of the process. The math. You know what I mean? And it was so important to me. Yeah. And we would be texting all night, like, we're gonna like, put the theme song in, like, it's gotta go right here.

And now like. But now we're ready to launch, like hitting the big button to put the theme song in, like, it's gotta go right here. And now like, are we ready to launch? Like hitting the big button to put the theme song in. But now it's like all plug and play, like just easy. It's just become, yeah, it's become rote. I mean, when you have that many deliverables, it's like. Can I go back to one sec with what he was saying? Yeah, it is plug and play now, he plugs, I play.

Okay. You know what I mean? Takes twoplay now. He plugs I play okay Takes to the trail he but I'm away. I play all day. I'm playing this is fun for me to do the show now and and and Kevin it gives us that freedom because he's working so hard Yeah, so you guys have dialed back on the production of it. Yeah a little bit just focus more on the creative stuff Man and hearing you say that a little bit, just focus more on the creative stuff. Man, and hearing you say that, yeah, yeah. That's like, I remember that too.

I remember when I used to think of it as a creative endeavor, and like really like that we were creative. Do you remember that? Yeah. Oh my God. We would be texting at night like, hey, you have any creative ideas for the show? You know?

And then I'd, you know, I'd write back, not really, but like, let's think of some, you know. Yeah. I think we're in that phase right now, but since we're roommates, he kind of just knocks on my door and whispers through it. That's so awesome. Usually tucked in at that point, but.

Well, we should talk, we should, we should, actually we should, we should talk about who you guys are. Yeah. Sure. So this is Cam and P. You should talk about P. They should talk about it today. Well, you tell me a little bit about who you are and the listeners will hear you telling me that. And then we'll talk about it.

We will probably have some input on that. Okay, recap it afterwards, yeah. I mean, Cam, we've been hosting this new up and coming podcast that recaps other already established podcasts. I've heard about this. I've heard about that to interrupt. No, no, no, please do. Please do.

Yeah. And you said recapping before. Yeah. And that is what you're- So are you starting full- Yeah, that's so funny. Wow. Pick that one up in the front line.

Recaps on the brain. Yeah. That was on the front line, yeah. Yeah. But I, yeah. And that's the entire thing, that's literally the entire thing that it is. Yeah, cause I mean you look at legacy media

like The Walking Dead had, The Talking Dead, you see, you know, the post Real Housewives, you know, recaps. Watch what happens. Everyone wants that inside of them. Everyone wants that inside of them. I know what legacy media is like. Oh, yeah.

I mean, we're not really like Legacy Media. Some of it gets sent to me, like whatever, like sometimes people will send me something or show me something. I know people are always talking about it. My nephew will show me on his phone, like here's like a Real Housewives recap thing. Yeah.

I think it's fine that people like Legacy Media, like I don't have a problem with it. Oh, that's fine. I do not. There's so much out there you're missing out on if you're not at least dipping into the pool of content out there with podcasts. Yeah.

There's just so much to add. Yeah, no, we're just talking about legacy media, how we relate to it, which is kind of not at all, but I understand, as you use these examples, I know all the words you're saying. Yeah, I know about it. Like I know it's there and I know everything about it. That's awesome.

Yes, no, it's like from an academic perspective, I'm like aware of it. I could probably like write a paper on it or something, but I don't really watch it. I don't really hear that stuff. I don't really know what the appeal is for everyone. That's very- I'm into like indie, like kind of like off the beaten path,

like freaky, like renegade art stuff. Like con? Just like wild, what'd you say? Like con? Film fest? Maybe, yeah, maybe. Mm-hmm, yeah. You've been there a couple times?

We might have done, we might have been, I think we did go there? Which yes, mm-hmm. Yes to What was? What did you say? Yes, yeah, we're talking over each other No, is it is a con say it one more time con film foot like gang is con. Oh my god I might say do I not have the French flavor? No, I don't even yeah

I yes, we're not as happy and you were mainly and I'm looking at Hayes. We're just podcast. Yeah It's got that certain do you Jenny Sequa a bit? You see you recap them. Do you goof on the shows a little bit when you're doing this? No, we do that. Okay All right. No, so you're just I mean he asked you, you just said why would we do that? Why would we goof on him? Why would you goof on him? I'm trying to understand what it would be. I'm just trying to picture it.

What would that, I don't know. With comedy podcasts, we're gonna be laughing our ass off, yeah. We both graduated, we have bachelors in podcast studies and so we're going into this field that has been burgeoning for the last what, two decades. We're trying to pay it the respect that it deserves. Can I just go back to what you were saying

just like five seconds ago? People like to watch this show to study the podcast bachelors. Yeah. Cause we, and we talk, can I see, let me see your ring finger. Everybody's ring finger's out. Yeah, yeah.

So it's nude, yeah. And I always forget to take mine off. I know, I fucked finger. Yeah, yeah. So it's nude. Yeah. Yeah. And I always forget to take mine off. I know. I fucked up again. We were running. That whole ball and chain, get that thing out of here. No, because when we're doing the podcast,

we are the podcast batches. When we're doing it, we like, it's the main cave that we should turn into a soda cave. I like that. We were talking about that before we went. So the soda cave was a reference to something from about eight minutes before we started. That was blank fire, you know? that was just, I'm firing from the hip, I got sloppy there, I'm sorry.

Listeners, there's a camera. No, it's exciting, it's exciting to call back to something even if it's just for us or just for you. But rather than blank fire, we like to be setting up the tripod on the roof, lying down, screwing in the scope, like whole thing. And we can take testing the wings. You wanna hold your breath till you hear action.

Then you're on. Yes, slowing my pulse rate down. Yes, and as long as you need to get there. We take the shot when it's time to take the shot. Because sometimes you only get into it. It's time to take the shot, you know, because sometimes you only get one opportunity. I don't mean to re-stir a twice stirred pot with Bucky's, but I do think it's important to just, for context, and if you can, and so I should,

if you wanna salvage your thing, Yeah, you can turn it a little bit. at the expense possibly of, Yeah, everyone else. the whole, so yeah, so go ahead, so go ahead and save your one sentence. And no, no, but he's talking about my keys like in my keys should not even be like. And this is why I asked you to check the frame.

It's a misfire. We got a clamp. Is there a key wrangler on set that could grab that? They can analyze the shape of the key. Can we hold up the clamp too? I don't know if this is really good for the shot. What on this do you think is a clamp? No, the black thing on the table. What is that? Okay, we'll either be talking about my keys or yeah, just say if you're not gonna be talking about them anymore

Just say that you're not talking about them Well, if for the Bucky's. I was looking for a clamp on his keys too, and I didn't see anything and I felt crazy I don't even think that looks much like a clamp either Does it look more like a clamp than anything on my keys? more than the keys does which I had no idea what that meant And I was looking at that because that's what I thought we were talking about nobody told me we were changing Yeah Well if we could just do endorse some short-term pain for long-term greatness it with going back to Bucky's I do think Mm-hmm, just the idea of Buckyase is awesome because they have the Soda Cave. Which is the joke that I was trying to get to.

Well, I know what I said about Buc-Ease, right, the Soda Cave, yeah, what I said about Buc-Ease was that it's supposed to be just totally insane and that Joe Rogan actually taught me about it. Is that a friend of yours, Joe? He's not, I mean. A confidant? That's interesting.

Were you on his podcast? I wasn't, I wasn't on it. I thought you had the degree in the studies. Look, we haven't, we haven't. I wasn't on it. I thought you had the degree in the studies. We have a bro tap show. I was on it very early in terms of like, I've been on that. Like I've been telling people like this is kind of the future, like the way that we're headed. And so I was on it in that way.

And these kind of, we've been on these parallel tracks with him for a long time. And people don't like, I don't even know exactly how to put this. People don't say to a train, like, have you been on that other train? Yeah. You know what I mean?

Yeah. How? He's a peer of yours. It's just, it's impossible to even imagine how that would happen. Sure. How would a train, train like his call-ups I think some of the best in the game right now. Yeah, Jamie you are killing it

Excellent what I've seen in the clips what I've seen. Yeah, I mean that is one area where he is actually like Beating our fucking ass On that one. Yeah, he's been how fast it. How fast can you get a Google image on the screen? Yeah, so let's watch. Let's wait and see. Go ahead, Cam. Like, let's pick an image. Well, if we're talking about Bucky's, right?

Pinocchio. Soda Cave, maybe get that on screen. An image of the Soda Cave. Is it on? I can't see it. Ethan Hawking, Hamlet. The TV is not on. Let's go back to all the jokes from the Soda Cave, right, the echo location, the sort of,

that you use to get around in there, the rescue divers or whatever. Yeah, because it's so big. Did we bring up Elon Musk building a submersible or something? Yeah. Yeah, the Thai. Someone else saving the kids and he calls him a pedophile.

Yeah. He insults them. I was struggling with the whole area because like whether or not the cave is filled with soda. Is it a cave that's all soda that you could swim into or is it a soda purchasing area? The soda is like in the cave. And I just gave up, honestly, once we got into that.

So hey, Fast Fingers, Kev, appreciate that. We've got up here the home screen for the concept of Airplane. And Michael Fast Fingers played the assassin. If you want like an inspirational figure as you're like setting up the tripod and screwing on the scope and the one exhale. I asked you guys a question.

We're just bringing up things. No one's gonna know what anything is. He brought up Michael Fastfingers and let me ask you guys a question that my brother-in-law asked me on a recent visit, which was, favorite Fassie performance. Okay. You have many to choose from.

Right? Assassin's Creed? What's your favorite Fassie performance? Probably Assassin's Creed. One or two. Okay. Well, I think he was in just number one, but then there's the whole game series too. Oh yeah. If you're getting mixed up with that. So selfish, I think, to in just number one, but then there were there's a whole game series, too Oh, yeah, if you're getting mixed up with so selfish

I think to just like just offer it up that way and not say like my favorite Fasci performance is That's right. Yeah, we I mean, I guess we did end up Young Magneto Kicking around. Yeah a little bit of like some of the movies that he'd been in. Well, so who is your brother-in-law? of some of the movies that he'd been in. So who is your brother-in-law? He's like a guy, he's like one of these guys. Does he have a podcast? Well, okay, I knew this would get here sooner or later.

He shouldn't have one. He's running the family or doesn't. It feels like, he's industry adjacent. He definitely has obviously colorful ways to refer to some of our biggest actors and that sort of familiarity, you earn that. You know, you just start that. I know about you guys, this is what's crazy to me,

is all my brother-in-laws, they're the ones that should really have a podcast. Those guys are so fucking funny. Every time I hang out with those guys, I'm like, you guys should have a podcast, but they're just like guys that like. Have you ever tried just like pushing a microphone towards them?

They have nothing, they have jack shit. Do y'all's family has podcasts too? I mean, is there other podcasts in the family? Are we at Thanksgiving, you know, arguing about whose podcast is number one? We're not Nepo podcast babies, if that's what you're asking. No!

We have to carve our way into this industry. Yeah, I was going for what you asked me. Nepo is short for podcast, so like. I wish my father was a podcaster, but made his fortune iron ore smelting. Yeah. Smelted it. The hard way. And dealt with it as well.. Yeah. Smelted it. The hard way.

And dealt with it as well. But what he smelted might have actually been transformed into microphones in the long run. So, yeah, that's always possible. We could be talking to, you know. Through his hard work, his Andy work. But I don't have. He's everywhere.

And also he got sucked into the thing, right? So like he got smelted down and he could be in the microphone as well. I could be talking in one of his bones or something right now. Easily, yeah. Some of it could be melted down part of like his pelvis or something.

That's what's weird about his smelting technology and like, that's his legacy and I respect that for sure, but the fact that it leaves like whole bones intact makes me think that. Insane. Well I was thinking that it would be yeah That's it would be possibly like melted in with me too, but I guess that's not how it works So the fact so I could be technology. It's you know, they're still figuring out some kinks, right?

And he tried to emerge it's crazy thing. I could be Basically yelling right now into your father's pelvis. Yeah, that's really possible. Like that's nuts. Dad, hope I'm making you proud. Is that something in life that he would have happen to him? His pelvis yelled into? I don't know what he does in his free time. Yeah, okay. And I just wanted to say that.

We got the Airplay up, I just wanna just check in on the Google image process here. So the Airplay screen is still here, the main one. It just says Airplay up, I just wanna check in on the Google image process here. So the Airplay screen is still here, the main one. It just says Airplay. And then Pete was at a CMI. Oh, look at that. Soda Cave. So, okay, he did Google Soda Cave, and he did hit images.

A lot of stalagmites, or stalactites. I always get those mixed up. Stalagmites ground, because it has a G in it, right? And then it does say right there, walk in soda cave. Well, stalagmites has a G in it. And all you have to do is walk inside and get the soda. I go tight, well, tight is, when I think of tight, I think of a bottom, don't I? Yes.

Yeah, okay. Stalactites like tight little bottom, don't I? Yes. Yeah, okay. Tight one. Stalag tights like a tight little bottom. Yeah. Right? Yeah. And so then, and then stalagmites, it's like I might get some top, but I know that that tight little bottom is gonna be there.

Yeah, if I had my head on tight, I'm not going to get. Caves are ultimately, you know, we all can agree, hey, we're all guys here. They're tough to navigate. Yeah. It's a, yeah. We get in some locker room talk, right?

We'll just cut this part out. I would, it would be useful to me to get a little bit of this out of my system, honestly. Yeah, please. Release it, I would feel to just say a couple of guys, and Kevin's one as well. And this does not happen to me on a lot of these episodes, but it has really been building for me.

I don't know what it is today. It's something in the air, right? But you're all feeling this, right? Yeah, I think we're all pent up. Yes. So you were talking about Beaver Pitch. You were talking about Top. I was talking about getting Top

and also a tight little bottom. And I was saying that caves ultimately are they're Rational, you know Some level yeah, we have to acknowledge that I think it'd be weird not to Say no that's it. I mean, that's a real pervert who's pretending they don't know that So she was like right honest. Most of our listeners are adults like who are you could say that? No, it's gonna call you quagmire. Who are you play dough? Yeah? being in a cave wait why

Because he just dis dispelled the whole notion of caves existing right this is the play dough is on the guy No, it was like uh it's um it's like Gumby basically. Yeah. Oh, yeah, that's a guy He's got the closet right play. There's a guy play. There's a guy. Yeah, I'm all Plato's Oh, I guess if we're calling Gumby Plato, yeah, Plato's buddies are all guys, too. Yeah, you think about these buddies names Prickle and goo. Yeah, are we not thinking that that and then we're talking about a cave We're talking about Plato. Yeah, yeah yeah, and good rating top and height. I mean it. I'm in a cave Yeah, and I just have my hands behind my head. I'm getting some fucking hat. Wait. Wait. Wait. Pokey is the other one Yeah, hokey, man. Yeah, like what is this sweet fin?

But it did Gwen and Paltrow get that from Gumby? Her whole brand? Her, his friend Goo? You think that she? She's involved in Sweet Fin, I mean, I'm just like. Yeah, you went right from Sweet Fin to. Maybe I'm getting my wires crossed. I noticed you guys have your notepads with you and like, I know you have them on your other show.

I never knew what was on there. And now finding out as you refer to your sweep notes on your notepad, it's like kind of disappointing for me to find out that that's what's on there. It's just, you know, these things are chock full. Truth about Santa Claus. I'd rather go back to my mental image where I have my hands behind my head. I'm getting hat in a cave. Yeah. It could be anybody, I'm getting hat in a cave. Yeah.

Could be anybody, but it's probably Gollum. Yeah, in a cave, yeah. I mean, it's probably Gollum. Gotta be. I mean, he's probably the top contender and the sound it's gonna make, right? Top contender. You better believe it.

Gollum, Gollum, Gollum, Gollum, Gollum, Gollum, right? Yes, yes. Good thing you took off that ring, yeah? Yes. Well, that really- Gollum is not getting anywhere near me. That freed me up. He's very respectful.

You know what he's after. Just the institution. Yes. Well, he doesn't wanna be in the middle of some mess. Yeah. Wait, is that cause Gollum's in the middle of the ring? Yeah. Okay, wait, wait, okay.

Would you ever get hat from Gollum in the cave? I mean, we were just talking about it, Yeah, and it's sort of it's sort of a generally positive light. So yeah It's a great question. I Rather hand the court term asked and answered. Yeah, your honor Better him than Popeye. So that is a yes. No, can we pull up? Popeye thing over here. Yeah So that is a yes? No, can we pull up? Sorry, no, but there's a Popeye thing over here.

Yeah. Why? I was just thinking, you were doing your Gollum impression of, you know, the boys. You have a Popeye one that you wanna do? Well, I'm just thinking about his laugh. Oh, yeah. And I think that's kind of,

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Yeah, no, Jamie, if you go back. Yeah, and keep scrolling. And you notice how Joe is never like, not that one, Jamie. Not that one, keep scrolling. No, no, Jamie. He's pretty precise. He's just keep going.

You're getting warmer. Yeah, and then, Jamie would usually do it on something where the pop-ins are disabled. Walk in soda cave. You just walk in and get your soda. Two for three, this was pre-terrify. And Jamie would have relaunched to update by now. Are you guys getting absolutely

Hammered? Just destroyed, 12 foot XLR, gone up 50%. Oh my God, sorry for the language I had. 20 footers, just cannot afford that. No, I don't wanna get lost in this, but it's been crazy and it's gonna hit everything. Like just us going on each other's podcasts like this, or you coming on ours, I guess.

But like that is going to be, yeah, that's not going to be able to happen anymore because the prices are gonna be nuts. There's a new tariff in town. Through the roof, yeah, through the roof. Right? Yeah. Yeah. There's a new tariff in town. Right? Yeah. Yeah.

There's a new tariff in town. Just thinking about any kind of like shore setup, any kind of road, if we have to upgrade in the next year. I mean, because we're just using, again, hand-me-down mics with some shoestring. It's like floss. Do you think the move would be to buy now before the tariffs are like really enacted?

Like if we were to upgrade. I mean, because why did you guys buy this gear? Should we dump now? I mean, this is nice You know Kevin got all of this and he's and his I mean his whole portfolio now is just widely fucked Yeah, you know he's been Hemorrhaging hemorrhaging Bartell fortune these Taiwanese I Think they got hit hard these quantum mics

I think they got hit hard. Are these quantum mics? You got a little bit of semi-conducting going on in here? You guys are like, I mean like. They're gear heads. I mean it's amazing. It's admirable, yeah. And what it must be like. So you guys just go home and live this shit.

Yeah. Unfortunately we don't have any soft boxes. We're using very pedestrian lighting. Wow. Yeah. And it's just you guys in that apartment? Yeah. Just us. Often with a soft backlight pedestrian lighting. Wow. And it's just you guys in that apartment? Just us. Often with a soft backlighting too. Wow.

A vintage Hollywood. And there's no mommy whatsoever in there? It's like literally just you guys get to like. He'll play my mommy sometime, knock him on the door and I'm tucked into bed and he's whispering ideas. I meant to be tucked in over here. Sure, a little impromptu podcast writers room

where we talk about bits and stuff. Yeah. I blew past the, yeah, being tucked tucked in but what's wrong with that you were? Tucked in already and now he's knocking yeah, but you're already tucked in yeah, so what does he want like? Fuck does he want? Like the last time that would happen I ask you if we can save it for the morning, but typically it seems urgent. And the ideas are break through ideas. Yeah.

It's like, yes. It's like you wash your car, that's when it rains. Isn't that interesting? Your most creative time is when he's tucked in. And is that a toxic trait? B. I don't know, I mean, collaboration with podcasting is hard.

And what's your most creative time, since it seems like he doesn't even care to ask you? Usually like two in the afternoon. Two in the afternoon, okay. After a nice little afternoon delight. Am I wrong that that's his nap time? I'm zonked on the couch. So after, two in the afternoon is after a nice

little early afternoon delight for you. Exactly. And then I have the rest of the afternoon wide open for me and I'm just playing. I'm tucked in. That's my play time. I'll take a quick nap there. I usually take a nap around nine, 10 p.m.,

get up in the morning around seven or eight. And really this brainstorming, like it's just like when we come to each other where you just have ideas for moments in like a full episode that would be great to clip out. Is it a safe space for ideas? The living quarters, that's a safe space for ideas for both of you or do you ever feel shut down

by the other, you know? Sometimes I'll be playing violent video games in the main space but he doesn't seem to mind. It doesn't affect you, right? No, I mean. I've never really asked formally but. And is that what you think ideas are? Yeah, I mean sometimes again. I asked formally but and is that what do you think ideas are? Yeah, I mean sometimes

Sure, I'll get an idea of where to place my skill point that I worked hard for the Assassin's Creed you brought up earlier Exactly something like that. That was somebody's idea. Yeah, I'm usually just reading I just finished up infinite Just just got through with that. Started that around Christmas. Just blasting my way through. I read the footnotes too. They seem pretty crucial. And what was some stuff in it that you

like to read about in that? Ultimately it's just a screwball comedy, you know? Okay. Just a basic stuff. So how does that stack up against like how does that compare to like the great instance of podcast? Oh, yeah The grades of podcasting. I mean that's probably small peanuts right in comparison small peanuts I mean because we've seen some great take there's no You just don't have that visual element, you know, you're reading it. Yeah, you have to imagine all this crap

I mean the cool thing about podcasts now you're talking about the comic strip small peanuts. No, okay Because that's actually really smart. Well, there's two People think that that like small peonies is actually really smart are they baby peanuts No, it's like there. I mean there're like you know I mean they're not I use their kids. I've seen them grown up You have Their water now right context. How when did they grow up like I? I mean, he's already bald right like I assume he's probably like in his no He has you saw him at the last very very, right? He has very, very faint colored hair.

Huh? No, damn, you're forgetting you. You saw them at the Laugh Factory. I thought you got the tickets to it. You said he was just bomb, he was a little wasted too. No, you saw that, Cam. I did? Yes, you know, yes.

Did you hear Pete? You saw that. I do not remember that. Cam, Pete. Well, you remember all these details about it. He saw them grown up You're the one buddy get up in the way Wasn't you know is him or not? I'm like you saw okay? Maybe I saw them okay? You know I was like when you saw that I was just laughing my ass off man

It was like seeing I don't know that he met right from the bus that they were bombing or whatever Didn't you say they were bombed So you were cracking up at that bombing you're laughing at the Crowds react his uh his opener was killing. I was interested in the story his opener killed me I there was just a lot of spill laughter from that There's pig you were like just primed to laugh somebody and open for him, but nobody else Huh pig pen open right? Yeah, pig pen. Maybe I don't know Charlie Brown those guys You did see I think we might have been there together we might have gotten joint tickets. It was a two-for-one BOGO

That's what it was to drink minimum, so we both split a drink. Yeah. Well, when it's BOGO yolo. Yep. On the topic of you guys recapping podcasts, I noticed you haven't tried that shit with me, Jack. Oh, yeah. It's true.

Couldn't help but notice. I kinda notice I and I tried that shit with me Jack look it's tough cuz I mean what we took a cursory look and we don't have to get into that now I mean we we saw some stuff we look at it we look but that's not good we peek go ahead and lift that up yeah we took a good ahead I truly like to see you try and wait that page up We took a peek we tried to understand the gist of what this whole thing is and It seems pretty intricate infinite gist Nice one Jamie Fast fingers over there. There were a couple of discrepancies that caught our eye. It's probably nothing though. It's nothing

Yeah, we should get back to it It's no big deal. I've never seen on any other You try all right you think you have an air-tight production. This is such a minor detail. I just It's I mean you want to spill It's I mean you want to spill You got it down I like looking at that paper Yeah, you got well, but again you guys said you're not really something on there I really saw that real interesting on there must be a quiet a sentence You're reading you guys aren't involved in the actual production like when you're streamlining the you know broadcast of the RSS feed and everything

That's probably you don't do that anymore. You don't do the backend stuff. Don't tell me there's something. No, I didn't want to bring anything up. It's nothing, it's really nothing. It's probably easily fixable. There's not, wait, are you saying there's a flaw in the backend? In the RSS feed? I think when, you know, we, you know,

when you know how the sausage gets made, for us, you know, we've been, you know, just hand crafting every podcast episode. Sometimes it's hard to ignore certain details. I just. He seems reading it. You're gonna get carpal turning that page. Come on, man.

Ah. Well, you guys sat down with Stavros recently, right? Yeah. Yeah, so. Right. Okay, so you uploaded it to YouTube, Spotify, Apple. What was that process like? Independent podcasts.

But you guys just did one podcast with them, right? You didn't talk to them a couple times. Just because the time codes. We talked to them before and after the episode as well. Yeah. Okay. No, I mean it's one episode. One episode.

They're all one episode. Yeah. And that's what went up. It was one episode. One episode? They're all one episode. Yeah. And that's what went up. It was one episode. On all the DSPs? This is small peanuts. I don't even want to, I'd be wasting your guys time.

Well, like I said, I think small peanuts is actually very important. Small peanuts is very important, yeah. So, yeah, it was one episode. Why not upload with the same label or something on the various platforms? On YouTube it was 48 minutes and 22 seconds. Yeah.

And then when we went to go listen to the Spotify to make sure everything checked out, the preview came up at 54 minutes flat, but the actual time was 49 minutes and 18 seconds. And look, we have screenshots if we want to pop that up in the screen. I mean, that's a minute in change of some get cut out. I don't know if there's dead air that you just felt like how to get cut

I just want to make sure we're not getting shorted on our I don't think it was dead air I don't think this happened a couple times you remember in Pemberton. It happened more than once you're ever having a sit-down with him Because his episode on Spotify Previewed as 53 minutes long It was actually 48 minutes and 53 seconds when you actually press play. You said 53? Yeah. Okay, cause then the Apple version of that

was 48 minutes and 55 seconds, an extra two seconds. We're not pulling shit out of our asses. Like this is... No, I... We're not reporting you to the better business here. We're gonna cut all this stuff out. Everything we do, we want like the podcast hosts to like improve their craft and just like you know it's all these good efforts Cracked the fucking code

We were just like wondering if there's both materials. I got preview Do you get what does that mean? Yeah when you say that the preview? So it's like when you look up Hollywood Handbook you type that in on your little gadget and then it's a list of the episodes and it'll say how long each episode is and it will say in tidy font the length like 53 minutes and then when you press play on that episode then it'll like open up well excuse my pen flank. Look I've got nothing to be nervous about but the time duration on the episode itself Then it's a different number two and then it's different from the YouTube time

I just I don't do you again deliver extra credits at play at the end of Spotify again Maybe they're deliverables. We don't know what's happening on the back end again when you're throwing it on DSPs and everything like that It's just it's just a small thing. It's Nothing major edges. Well well I bring it up we're gonna cut this part out I mean you guys you guys we don't have stuff usually right I just have a you guys cut out a minute anyway question for Kevin which is can you drive me to the junkyard? To see if I can spend a few days digging around for my reputation Maybe some loose hard drives that you've got all the extra footage have consigned there

there's some kind of also ask a second question, which is, uh, the meaning of this. What is it? Three words, fellas. Oh, Kevin, actually, you know, I don't normally do this, but I need to, we may want to pause. I need to take a quick bathroom break. And while I'm in there, I'm going to search the toilet for my good name. Uh, you seem to have flushed it down there. Oh, and a follow up on the meaning of this. What is it exactly?

You guys aren't embezzling any content, right? You're not cooking the books, right? No, the books aren't cooked. Yeah, you'd never juice the stats, would you, Kev? No, no, no. So there must be a great explanation, right? For why the preview time on Spotify is different from the runtime,

which differs also from YouTube. Kevin said- Is it deliverables? I asked where Kevin, you know, Kevin's been, you see the cuffs that his panties have been buying, like new cuff attachments to put on the bottom of his pants And I'm like, yeah, I guess did you like come into some money or something? Yeah, he said that his dad is Uncle Fester and so I guess that means he's rich. Oh my god. Ah

Does he podcast? I Met his dad and I definitely didn't think his dad was Uncle Fester. Didn't make that money from iron ore smelting? He said that like, it's not the real uncle. It's like the guy Uncle Fester is based on. I guess I kind of remember Uncle Fester being rich. I guess they're trying to get his inheritance

at some point in the world. Fester the people. Right. So if he's your dad, who's uncle is he? Your brother's? That was my question as well. Why do you call him Uncle Fester if he's your dad? Yeah.

It's tricky. It's an interesting story. Fellas, before I get to that, do you have any ads, advertisements on Talking Talk Toa? We're just small beans podcasters. We're little guppies compared to these guys. Like small beans is actually really, like it's like a back up.

We're running a mom and pop podcast operation. Don't diminish a comic strip like small beans. But anyway, go ahead. We're more of a plug and play operation. Yeah, we're just going for it. We keep it simple. We haven't done any Moon Pay or Blue Ray Press yet. Before us being a plug and play operation

was how we differed from you in terms of the way you described the two processes. Yeah, and now you're saying that's what you are. Well, we're plug and play in the sense of like, we'll plug in the footage. You don't plug any ads. Not a plug. Yeah.

You're not plugging products or companies. We don't plug that. We haven't done any MoonPay reads just yet. Not yet. We're trying to get some horn-toot't plug that. We haven't done any Moon Pay reads just yet. Not yet. We're trying to get some horn toot ad reads, but that's probably down the road. I thought that Kevin might have been setting up another question.

I think there is a chance he has just done. But just in case. He did sort of start staring off into the distance. It certainly does seem eager to follow up with a. Look at that bird. He's getting the light, the five minute light. Just kind of follow up with a light the five-minute way looked off I Got the five minute. He is always watching narcos season three on a separate screen He says it's the best season of the show. I haven't watched it, but it gets good quick

Watch it over and over again. It's a Netflix original, right? Yes, it's that like Ozark Well, it's called dynamic ad insert. Well, have you guys seen Ozark? Curry said we're sorry. I went to where they filmed that. On its side, you know what I mean? Now you've got an N.

I saw where they filmed that. Yeah. I've been to set in Chicago where they filmed that. The bear? No, Ozark. Oh. They filmed that in the middle of the city of Chicago? It doesn't look like it at all.

Well, it's a family that moves from Chicago to the Ozarks. But a lot of it's Chicago. A lot of the show takes place in Chicago. It sets up the story in Chicago. It's about how they moved away. Yeah. The DNA of the Chicago setting in the pilot remains a part of the show. It the pilot remains a part

of the show. It's integral. They're Chicago folks. And they're thinking about it and you get to see what they're thinking? I mean, he's remembering Chicago sometimes. That's the word I was looking for. He reminisces about the bean, he thinks about what you said.

He drinks the bean with everyone and stuff. Okay, and he misses the bean, is that right? A lot of times I'm being like, You used to get drinks and bean with everyone and stuff. Okay. He misses the bean, is that right? A lot of the days I'm being like, if only I could see the bean again. If I need some help here, but under what circumstances are you getting to see the set of the show Ozark, which by your own admission is a Netflix original,

but you are getting to, you who are neither Netflix nor original, discuss amongst yourselves, are somehow getting to, not just hear about the set. Well the bean, listen guys, anyone can go to the Bean. That's, you know, I mean, that's where I went. Check your privilege. A lot of that pilot shot around The Bean. I just think everyone has the power to travel.

You guys didn't get into The Bean that easy? Why don't you just jump on a private jet and go see The Bean like what I do? Season tickets to The Bean are not that expensive. Wow. They were filming at The Bean and there was no security whatsoever. I just wanted the camera.

How did they not have the camera in the shot reflected off the Bean? They're using the same technology as the Irishmen. You know, just, I don't even know. They ageing that thing. They age up the Bean. This guy in the Netflix original. They age it down.

They made it small beans. Wow. They made it small beans from before. Can we go back to you guys being a DAI podcast? Dynamic ad insert, what is that? Whoa. Hollywood handbook. Whoa.

Hollywood handbook. DAI podcast. Yeah. What is that? We thought we were being DEI. Yes. Okay. We thought we were helping.

Okay. You know, when we signed on. And it's just, it's a fine print thing. And we gotta kind of ride out this contract. And then we will obviously, you can look at the couch and see that we are not, but we will obviously try to be more of that. Yeah.

What kind of ads have you guys done? Brother, how long you got? I'll give you the shorter list, kind of ads we haven't done. Sure. Yeah. And now why did you say podcast simulator? Have we been doing ads for podcast simulator? Well there might be three or four that I've been running for eight months. Is that like truck simulator? Like the game? Yes, but better. Do you guys do pre-mid or post-roll ads all three? Really only mid, but you guys have been in there a while Yeah, we got a lot to learn you guys are consummate at this your king shit. It's not beat around the bush wait

And why were you asking them before if they have ads in their show? Well, it's just a genovus question Clearly the preview is shorter because we got DAI running across it. Oh. Oh. YouTube doesn't get to see the ad reads? No way. I'm sorry, I can't hear.

Is it not pain enough? You're short changing? Because you were actually dead. That's correct, it would cost more than have us on video for the ads. Okay. Oh, okay. That's correct, that would cost more. Okay, okay. So you home, Jeff? It's not that they don't want them. They can't have them. Okay. Okay.

So if you- Any other questions? If you need directions to the junkyard, I obviously know, you know, how to get there now, then I thought my reputation is there. But what I actually found when I was digging around was yours, podcast experts who never even heard of doing a commercial before on a podcast. If anything, we're more fans than we are, I mean we like to tout around that expert word, but honestly at the end of the day,

we're just kids that like seeing pods. Yeah, your fans are right up there swinging a miss just fanning Yeah, I got a stiff breeze when you took that swing at us Me on nice hot day again, it's Do you have any podcast that your fans of? Leave you're gonna do a recap three right now Do you have any podcast that you're fans of? Leave you're gonna do a recap three right now Top three Mount Potlour Rushmore my pop three legendary Mount Rushmore part. Yes, right now

And these are audio video podcasts Megan Markle That's she's a big Probably the big amount pod more. What was that one called the Queen Queen of Montecito. Iconocl, icono something. That's a big one. Icon, iconography. Yeah. I can't remember the name, I just know, to me it's just Megan's show.

Are you a diary of a CEO kind of guy? So, so. It's okay, we all are. Am I wearing it now? I was like, am I wearing the? Look down at your shirt, yeah. Just looking to see if I'm wearing it. The DOAC.

Yeah. Because you really had me, yeah. That one, well, I mean, the idea of reading someone's diary is so titillating. For them, that person keeping the diary is the CEO. Which to me implies that the CEO is like a teenage girl. I grew up reading a Wimpy Kid's diary, so then this, you know,

it's not just the logical next step. The Wimpy Kid became a CEO, isn't that nuts out? Roderick's episode was so good. Him and Loaded Diaper when they came on the band. You guys listen to that episode, right? So the book had episodes? Oh, it's a podcast. Yeah.

Yeah, I thought it was a diary and to me that's a book. Sorry. You saw that episode, right? Legacy media is really not like, it's a book, now it's episodes. I can't get that. I give up, it's not really my thing. The moment with Brian Koppelman.

That's a big one. That one is, I just like listening to guys like me who've actually made a difference, who actually fucking got out there and wrist falling flat on their face and oops. Yeah. Now they're killing it. They have something to say.

They're killing it. What about you? You got Mel Robbins in your top three, Mount Rushmore? I, like I said, like I don't, you know, I don't check in with a lot of like, I don't look at like the charts. Oh, yeah. You're on any underground. You know, like the avant-garde is what weirdo shit. I like, I like David Spade.

Clyde, who doesn't? And Dana Carvey. Like, you know, like those are like Like those are, you guys listen to whatever the popular thing is at the time. I really listen to podcasts as being a fly on the wall. Yes. Yeah, I don't know. I would call Gavin Newsome comedy stuff.

Yeah. He's just out there. Yeah, have you guys listened to Newsome's pod? No, I know you guys. You kept plugging it before the show started recording, saying we gotta check it out. It's a great one. About time, huh?

It's incredible, he talks about his, he has a wicked left arm sidewinder in baseball. Wow. You know that's how he got into school, right? Yeah, and that's so crazy, cause like, it's just like the wimpy kid becoming a CEO, that he then became like a politics guy. Well, I mean, it is there,

he plays hardball with some of these other politicians. And I wish he'd save some for the rest of us. Yeah. Well, who are some of you guys? Me too. Let me stress test this, something Gavin does. Yeah. He likes to stress test.

He does the signature stress. He puts his wrist together. Like a secrita. He's got like a zip tie on his wrist and he's trying to get off. Oh, that too, yeah. Like he's an Ozark. And is it creating kind of like a zip tie on his wrist and he's trying to get off. Yeah, like he's an Ozark. And is it creating kind of like a singing sound when he puts his wrist together?

Like a cricket running. How we imagine it. Yeah. And our faithful retelling of recapping the podcast. The first up with Charlie Kirk was so good. Yeah. I'm going to talk all day about it if I get started. You guys show me that now.

We're going to shut down now. We're going to wear a ball gag. Well, wait, wait, wait a second. Wait. I don't like, you know, we could let him go shut down there were all right. Well wait wait wait a second wait I don't like you know we could let him go a little bit all right. We shut him down right now Right it was a taste okay. It's just I Seen no no he no he's right. He's right. Yeah, I think Fucking day I get a taste of it. Like, we can't talk all fucking day about a different show. I'm actually, I'm never gonna get full.

Dude, hear Charlie Kirk, that guy knows his way around a college campus. And hearing him talk about it is incredible. Yeah. You ever see his videos? Just like the layout of the campus? Well, he's always on campuses just eviscerating college kids with politics.

And he knows his way around the campus. He knows how to order a Blaze pizza. You gotta be able to find them. Yeah, you gotta be able to find the kids to eviscerate them. Cause they don't leave their fucking room anymore. Nobody goes outside. Yeah. That's right.

They don't leave their room either. Generation just touched grass. He's hanging out at Insomniac Cookies. Insomniac Cookies. Blaze pizza, what have you. If they had Insomniac Cookies when I was in college, I would not be here talking to you right now Would you have invested or what would you have been we would not be having this conversation? I'll tell you that much right now that I that you don't want to know. One time I ate a cookie in a bathroom of one

He did Yeah, I was just like in a rush and I you're not supposed to be in the place like that like that You're you're not supposed to be in that bathroom They that's not for that's not for Customer bathroom it just was a hurry, and I was also in a hurry to eat the cookie That's that's the guy the guy working the gig that delivers the stuff for the cookies you guys use a bathroom Yeah, you know that guy? Yeah. Oh yeah.

The guy with the hand dolly. Yeah. The hand trucks. He brings them in on the hand truck. Yeah. The pallets of cookies. That's what they would have needed for me. Yeah.

The pallets of fresh cooked. Yeah, but I- They would have to airdrop them in for me. I'm the same as Haze, man. I'm the same as Haze, because they had had Insomniac cookies when I was that age. You would have invested.

Oh no, I would have driven out into the woods with an Insomniac cookie, dug my own grave, and then hit myself in the head with a shovel just to die with the cookie in the underground. That would have been probably the most logical outcome for me, because the cookies are so addictive, and because of how they make you feel. What are your guys' top three cookie flavors?

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