Hollywood Handbook - Eric Edelstein, Our Close Friend

Episode Date: January 28, 2025

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This is a headgum podcast. Did you see? So just to explain kind of what's going on there, you saw there's not that many people outside like working in the office. Yeah. Yeah. What is that? It's because Mr. Trump is here.

Uh huh. So they went across town to, do you know Amir Blumenfeld? Sure, yeah. Jake and Amir. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, Jake and Amir, exactly. Yeah, so this is like their thing.

That's what I say too. He doesn't want that to be, he's like, I'm just Amir. And he's like, not to us. No. You know what I mean? You should embrace it. It's like trying to get out of a boy band.

Yeah. Yeah, exactly. That's how we first knew you. It's never worked. It's never once worked. No. Well, take it in. It's like trying to get out of a boy band. Yeah, yeah, exactly. That's how we first knew you. It's never once worked. No, well you made your bed, friend. So they have this company, the Headgum, and then this is it, this is the company. And Amir has really been trying to,

you know, like this time around, like to get in with Mr. Trump, he's been kind of lining up everyone on the staff and teaching them, just kind of drilling them on blowing kisses. Oh, God, really? For when Mr. Trump lands on the tarmac. He just doesn't want any hint of disrespect,

but he also doesn't want to spread any germs. So he's like, it's gotta be a kiss, it's gotta be positive, but it's like no touch. But the way he shows it, you would touch. Like he does the, he like, does the kiss on the finger and then when he blows, he kind of plants his chin on his hand and he moves it all the way up to your face. It's a total touch.

He moves the hand way out. Like the blowing is so hard that it's blowing the hand all the way toward you. It's very, it's not bad, and I will say. I don't think it's bad, I think it's actually smart. I mean, I want this business to be, I want the podcast to do well. If Mr. Trump comes for the podcast,

we're not sitting here right now. It's done. It's called self-preservation. And the fact he took everybody with him Yeah, you know and they were really bad at blowing kisses I thought the drilling was like too much but theirs is like a lot of licking. I don't love the way He does it with something on their car Like they put their hands close to their mouth and they smell something that they're like, oh they're now that's interesting

They get kind of distracted. They just start like yeah, I king their hand Well, you did pine and crane it leaves that thing and it's good Yeah, and then you hand. Well, you eat a pine and crane, it leaves that thing, and it's good. And then you blow the kiss and you're blowing pine and crane toward Mr. Trump. Yes. Here to help with the fire. And that's not, that's China. It's Taiwan, but you know.

Kevin, edit that out, babe. Kevin, edit that out. We can't. No, no. That is, he would be frustrated with that. I think it's a hard pivot. It's probably the right pivot. He asked me, and I don't know how,

you may know more about this stuff than I do, Eric, if we would be okay being paid in Melania coin from now on. Like our contract. No, people made a killing off that Trump coin. Like that's, are you afraid of success? But it's not the Trump coin. He specifically was like, I kind of want to zag and do just the Melania coin.

So I don't know, no, I'm not afraid of success. Am I? God, is that why the show is like this? I'd be real careful for it. She just got a $40 million deal with Netflix plus points. Like that coin, please. Cancel Christmas. All right, well.

Seriously. No, I don't, yeah, I don't wanna cancel Christmas. I actually can finally say Merry Christmas again. Oh my God, isn't that nice to just breeze that in? It's such a relief. Well, I've been depressed. And now, do you wanna keep, because you said cut this out,

do you wanna cut this out too? No, no, no, no, this is great. I'm not a happy holidays guy. I'm the Christmas. You're just gonna have to really give him clear directions on what to keep him away from. No, no, no, I'll go through it all with him later. I'm bigger than Kevin.

That would be so awesome. It's all worth it. Thank you so much. No, no, no, guys, I'm here to help. Keep this cut out, Kevin. See, really, we're not really done with this stuff, with this guy. No, God no. We're like, it's whatever.

It's all the same. I'm an adjuster, I've been a character actor. The fact is, honestly, it is all the same, and it's just like, you're rooting for laundry at a certain point. Oh, completely. They got the blue tie, they got the red tie, but it's all the same.

You see the way these people talk, where they had a Jimmy Carver's funeral, and they're all kissing and hugging. Yucking it up. And they're all sharing. I saw one Hillary Clinton's eating a big Slim Jim, and she's giving a bite to Trump. Oh yeah.

And he's spits it into Barbara Bush's mouth or something, you know? I don't know who they are, but they all seem to be having a good time. Well, they got their Adrenochrome right before they went in. Oh, yes. They were on the moon. Yeah, oh, absolutely. You get a little extra for state funeral boys.

That's just, you know, I've been close to- They pull it out of the body. I mean, it's right there. He's loaded up with it too. The middle man's gone. Yes. He just got JC right there. And you can't be allowed to just like bury someone

with that in their system because you're gonna get a fist right through the coffin lid. Oh, completely. You know, he's gonna be up and running around. Just a race pass. It's like Queen Elizabeth. They eventually had to kind of put her out to pasture. We can't keep this up any longer.

Same with Jimmy, you're 100 now. You basically have to send those bodies to the Earth's core to actually make sure that it's done. Yeah, I mean, at least they could do an open casket with him, Queen Elizabeth, they had to actually fucking saw her head off. It was like into multiple pieces

because she had so much adrenochrone, even just like, even with it off, it was bop bop bop bop. I'm bouncing around the room. You must bow to me. It just, shit doesn't stop. I don't do accents, that was good. Thanks for a classically trained classically trained.

Yeah, but that's good. No, no, I'm here to help. But the guy. Yeah, he said that. We do wanna talk about this. He said that before. Did you see the big helicopter was going over and then Mr. Trump was on it and it was flying over the city.

It went over my house today. You didn't see this? No, I didn't. Oh yeah, the big helicopter was up there. I did see a helicopter. I didn't know that was Mr. Trump. That was Mr. Trump. Trump was on the helicopter. Oh, was it really? Yeah, it was't. Oh yeah, the big helicopter. I did see a helicopter. I didn't know that was Mr. Trump. That was Mr. Trump.

Trump was on the helicopter. Oh, was it really? Yeah, it was his. Wow. And I gave it, just cause I have no, I have like no respect for this stuff. I gave it, I put my hand up and I gave it the shocker. No, you did not.

Yes, I did. Are you kidding? I threw it the shocker. Dude. Cause I was a little scared to give it the finger cause I thought that would like really get me in trouble. So I was like, what's a gesture where I know that I'm doing something

that is very disrespectful, but it's like not the finger. And I didn't have a lot of time. Like this, these are like real helicopters that go really fast. And the super finger is still the finger. I know you're going to say, the super finger is still really the finger. If that worse, like that might be twice as bad or something.

So I gave him the shocker. Even as I was doing it, I was like, this is not perfect, but it's okay. Yeah, you'll like this, because you're classically trained. I bit my thumb at him. Oh, wow. That's nice. Oh, yeah, that's retro.

That'd be nice. Oh, I wound the clock back from that one. Oh, please. And I mean, President of the United States is probably a pretty studied, educated person. Oh, come on. That's really smart. Probably the meeting's not lost.

No, went to the Wharton School of Business, friends. Yeah, they don't just let any slouch in there. No. Did you see, I could kind of see the gun turrets on the helicopter, just like, look at me and then kind of lose interest. They just do it like, eh. Oh, it's a shocker?

That's kind of punk rock. They were sniffing around me, yeah. I felt the, yeah, I could hear the big. Thank you for saying that the shocker is punk rock. No, the middle finger, I'm being honest, that's middle of the road. You found the ditch, it's real cool. It's like Indie Cool, man.

It is, yeah. It's Indie Sleeves. It's Indie Sleeves. Yeah, it's it, it's Brian Jonestown Massacre Fingergesters. Yeah, that's right. You get it. It's Matt Hollywood, yeah, yeah, Cindy sleaze. Yeah. Yeah, it's it's Brian Jonestown massacre finger. Yeah, right You get it. It's Matt Hollywood, right? Follow him on Instagram I do shout out. He was looking for rent money last month. I wish I was kidding. Well, don't say it that excited I know I'm not I'm not Like Yeah, sure. Yeah. Yeah everybody. I wish everyone'm not. I'm not. It's just that it's like, yeah, sure. Yeah.

Yeah. Everybody. I wish everyone the best. I do too, man. I do too. So yeah. I mean, you said you're here to help and that's awesome. Like we're excited about that. Yeah. The show you were on. We're here to help. No one's been here to help for a little bit. Yeah. That's why they're somewhere else to help. No one's been here to help for a little bit. Yes, that's why. Well, there's somewhere else to help right now. Or they're, well, it doesn't matter. None of my business. Let's talk about, like, you did the show. Sure.

And, people don't know this about the show, but the way the show was kind of set up was we needed, we talked to Kevin and we're like, we need to, like, we had guests coming on that I wish we had had a chance to kind of vet beforehand. A lot of times the guest comes in and they've got a reputation as being a good podcast guest and we hadn't had anybody boots on the ground

in person for a recording, seeing how that sausage got made. Okay. And so we needed some way to kind of Audition your classic See him take a few cuts and double a that's if they can hit off speed No, you know like Tulsa drillers and I hit it out. Yeah, I went the other way So that's how I got elevated. No, you knew as you were doing it right right? I could tell. Deep down, that's why I did here to help.

And you kinda like strutted it a little, you know, you kinda like pimped that homer a little bit. A little bit, you know? If you know you got it, you got it. You played to the crowd a little bit. Yeah. Yeah, took it to the yard. I had so much respect for the way you did that

and there was a little wink to it where it was like, look, obviously this isn't the show, you know? I'm not in the big, it where it was like, look, obviously this isn't the show. You know, I'm not in the big, it's not the majors. No, I'm staying at a double tree, you know? It's fine. Yeah, but I'm still, I'm playing the game I love. I'm getting to do that. That's more than 99% of people.

The child's game, right? Yeah. You know, and by the way, maybe I'll get the call up. You must've been freaking out, huh, when you realized. When I got this call? Yeah, I mean, here I sit, I got it the call up. You must've been freaking out, huh, when you realized... When I got this call? Yeah, I mean, here I sit. I got it yesterday. I don't know which name canceled,

but I'm real grateful to be here. Oh, brother. It wasn't a canceling situation. It's not a cancellation. So much as Kevin does this thing. Just a firm no. Where? No?

No? Let's, a few firm no's. Let's walk through that one. And then they go to the list of like beloved podcast guests with moderate fame and not a huge social media following. I'm first out of that gate, friends. A firm no would have been so sweet. Kevin will like list names of people that like,

he's kind of like, he's kind of got them on the line. Oh. For weeks. Shit. And he'll be like, I'm out to this, and like this person, blah, blah, blah. These are the people that are in the mix. And then I'll learn that it's someone who has,

they nor their reps have responded to anything Kevin has said to them. There has been no inclination that they're aware of us at all. And here I am thinking like, okay, this is really gonna happen. And these are people that have done the show before. Well, I mean, I'm sure, but like, hey, this is Peter DeLuise's mistake not being in here today,

so I'm here. Yes, okay, I didn't want to. No, I'm fine saying your name. I'm controversial. What does happen for Kevin, and you know, this has been what's so beautiful about the explosion of the podcast industry is, you know how when you go to,

we talk about this sometimes, you go to a website and you're gonna like buy a new pair of socks or something and they immediately collect your email and all of your information? Yes. Here to help is essentially a contact information farm for Kevin. Yes, ah.

Where he's been able to get a lot of great stuff, a lot of really cool emails and phone numbers. And then we listen to them and a lot of times we'll go, they were nice on this show. I'm not sure they're ready, you know, to come do an actual podcast. Yeah. A podcast with a point of view.

Right? Right. Yeah. You know what I mean? A lot of advice podcasts out there, you know? But it's a fun feeder for you guys, you know? Yeah. Again, you're the major league scouts going down to AAA, seeing who can hit.

And in this case, you saw that the big guy could hit, so here I sit. Yeah, so it's like, you know, I mean, there's an idea of like, I guess maybe like, Zooey Deschanel or something, I guess that's a big name, but you listen to this show and you go, does she even know she's performing? We can pull up, it's called a dorkable. It's called a dorkable to and kind of go through them. Yeah, yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. It's its own thing. Right. But it's also, it's not anymore. Do you know what I mean? Like it was, it was, and that was nice that we had that for a little bit,

but these things go in cycles and we'll be a dorkable again someday. Sure. And Hayes and I are ready. No, it's like stop. We're ready. Yeah, completely. But like right now, we're not, and the nation is not.

There's no appetite for adorkable at this moment. But it's a cycle, friend. It's a cycle. I think I just said that. So. So Kevin, I mean, he'll have certain guests on the show where he'll be like, you guys gotta check this out. And if Kevin thinks you're funny, that's like,

okay, now I'm listening. Yeah, Carson's calling you over to the couch. Oh, wow. Yeah, it really is. When Kevin says, because he's- You must be funny. He'll say like, it was tough. When Kevin says, cause he's- You must be funny. He'll say like, oh, he'll go, oh,

this guy did a pretty good job on here to help, you know? And I, at that point, gotta put the phone down for a second. Right? To catch my breath. No, take a little walk around the room. Yeah, what that means is we got a live one and we're about to potentially record an episode of our show.

Wow. So it can feel really good and he's really tough on guests. Who are some of the here to help guess you hated? Bobon was brutal. Bobon. Oh, wow was brutal. Bobon. Oh, wow. You hated Bobon. Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, Bobon, Jimmy Kimball, Zoe Lamour, and Damon Waynes Jr. Mm. Kevin just doesn't like the new girl. Well, that's part of what we're finding out, but he also doesn't like several guys. Wow. Yeah, I mean, you think Jimmy Kimmel, you go,

wow, should we say that on our show? You know what I mean? Because we wanted to have him at some point. Right. He just did another Headgum show, he just did a Nicole Byers show, so maybe he's on the table for us. But actually, we turned him down.

Not to go back to it, but we could do the thing where we have Jimmy on the table for us, but actually, we turned him down. Not to go back to it, but we could do the thing where we have Jimmy on the show, and then we deliver his location to Mr. Trump. You know what I mean? Because he's been moving the show around, like the show's in the back of a panel van at this point. No, it's, yeah, it's pirate radio right now, and it's pump up the volume style.

Right, wow. He's broadcasting on the moon and just like, and telling state secrets that Mr. Trump doesn't want told, and actually advocating for compassion still. Which is not gonna fly, sorry. We get him in here, we deliver the coordinates, we take out an insurance policy on the building,

and accidentally show up anyway, because we're excited to meet Jimmy Kimmel. We get vaporized, but our families, you know. They're set for a bloody friend. Come on. Yeah, and this show would mostly run its course anyway. We're really in a spot where we can't keep doing it, but we can't keep doing it,

but we can't do anything else. So it's like, I can't imagine a future where I do it again, and I cannot see any path for my life where I can stop doing it. The show is worth more dead than alive, but it's not worth that much dead. I don't wanna suggest that it's worth like a ton of money dead.

I think like 40 grand, Canadian. There's something there. You should talk to HeadGum, because that actually, that would be nice for somebody to say to them that they view it with that value. I'll call Jake. It's not a hard thing, or Amir?

Which one is it? So Jake is interesting. He is interesting, isn't it? So Jake is interesting. He is interesting, isn't he? I don't know. You say that I'm like, yeah. If there is, I don't know if Jake is AI now. Like what they can do is actually pretty cool.

Are you on ChapGPT? I'm about to be, about to be. I'm going where the kids are. You got it. Yeah, I will about to be. About to be. I'm going where the kids are. You got it. Yeah, I will. I will. Yeah, I did. Yeah, so Chapp GPT, which I just am putting this together.

Chappie. Chappie. Ah. Chappie GPT. And everyone's like, that's stupid. He's like a, he's a robot or something. And it's like, okay, well now he's in your house and he's doing your homework for you.

So you better say thank you. And sorry, you were so mean to Chappie. Yeah. He helped me put in dinner in my calendar the other day, which in the past- They can do that. What? No, they can put dinner in there.

Are you kidding? Yes, they can put dinner in there. Yeah, I'm gonna eat it at, I think 730. Thanks, Chappie. You know what I mean? Because before I would gonna eat it at, I think 730. Thanks, Chappie. You know what I mean? Because before I would just be sitting around, I'd have the food, I'd have a clock, and I would just be completely lost.

But Chappie has actually helped me start living a healthier lifestyle. It's about taking things off of your plate, and putting them on when you have dinner, but taking things off of your plate that putting them on when you have dinner, but taking things off of your plate that are just like a total time suck and like brain drain and like figuring out when to eat dinner was actually ruining my fucking life.

Like it's been, I mean, so long since I've accidentally scheduled all my dinners for the month and the first day of the month in 15 minute increments, all of them back to back to back. I used to do that like basically every other month. Yeah. Every single day of the month. And then I go never again and the following month

I would put them at the end. 30, 31 dinners, boom, yeah. And then. That's great. Yeah, and then I would fix it, yeah. So it's like, it's really, really cool, but I think that is Jake now, like from what I can tell. Yeah, that's right.

He's never physically here, and he kind of, he don't really say anything. Am I right? Like you'll see him sometimes on the podcast, but he'll be, it's always like a setup, like hey, remember this one, Amir? And then that's it, and then it's all Amir doing the rest. Yeah, I've heard rumors it's an AI type thing.

Yeah, it's gotta be. It's easy to get Jake's voice, it's iconic, you run it through, you train the AI. Yes, yes. You know? We were looking for a like, yeah, for like a Jake sound-alike for this show, and it was easy to find.

It was easy, yeah. But your episode, your We're Here to Help, so every once in a while, Kevin will be like, you know, you gotta come down and see this. So we'll fly in, like we'll come to the actual game. We're like, you know, we don't, what are we doing in this shit town? You know, like the diner that we have to eat

greasy hash for breakfast. Jesus Christ, these fucking locals, man. It's hot, there's flies. Mm-hmm, don't know their asshole from a fucking slice of lemonade or something. Roots. They really are complete fucking cretins in a lot of towns

around this fine country of ours that Mr. Trump is ruling. It's flying over him right now, Valencia, looking down at it, figuratively and literally. But then sometimes we- Is that a horse, I'll say? Is that a fucking horse teaching the school? I mean, that's what I'll be seeing in some of these towns, man, they got a horse teaching the school.

So like, but we have to go because that's where there's a diamond in the rough, huh? And we sit in the bleachers and we're like, okay, and we get our little radar gun, we'll be, we see a number pop up on it and we're like, this thing must be broken. Like, let me look over here, this thing's be broken. Like, give me, like, let me look over here. This thing, this thing's on the fritz.

What's going on with this? Yeah, hold on, that can't be right. Yes, and, but, you know, this is the real thing. Yeah, and then he'll throw with his right hand, right? That's it. You know what I mean? It's like, whoa. And that's what you saw from me.

I mean. Like, you know. That's what we're saying. Not to be whatever, I've worked with huge people. Coming in and giving bad advice with heart, it's pretty easy for me. That, no, that's what I saw. You know what I mean? Yeah, you were dying to take the training wheels off.

So we, this curtain is, on the other side of that is a little like observation mirror. It's a one-way mirror. So we'll watch in there and then basically have to stay in the town to convince the town and their family that they should sign with us. And goddamn if we don't start to fall for the place a little bit.

Right? No. Well yeah, I mean you end up meeting a sort of beautiful but simple woman. She works in a flower shop. You're a big city guy. These are these Hallmark Christmas movies. White people love them.

Yeah. Now you're living it. Mm-hmm. You know? You go, Jesus Christ, can I put away the hustle and bustle of my busy podcast life and actually settle down in this town where a horse teaches school? Yeah.

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I like the extra virgin olive oil because I'm two of those. It's not virgin enough for you. Whoa. Hollywood Hamburg. So let's go through some of these other guests on We're Here to Help and we'll talk about some of the issues here.

It's too, like the titles I just wanna say, there's like a quote from the episode or something. It's like kinda jokey, it's like, just gimme. And a lot of the quotes are Gareth. And this is, I'm not saying that's good or bad, it's just a lot of the quotes are Gareth. What were some of the really bad ones, Kevin? Oh, less finger food at the orgy.

So horny. Who was in that one? That was me. Oh, you want ones with other, okay. You got really horny in that episode? Burt Kreischer. Burt Kreischer, that was bad. They talk about Pickleball.

Okay. People love him. Johnny Bananas. Johnny Bananas, you hated that one. Okay. People love him. Johnny Bananas. Johnny Bananas, you hated that one. Yeah. We got a couple Johnny Bananas. What was your specific issue with Johnny Bananas?

Was he pulling devious treachery on you? Was his gamesmanship too intimidating for you? His engineer said, yeah, I'm recording the audio, and I should have known something was off. That's a tell. He had a full-on engineer over on his side of the Zoom. He was in a studio in Florida. Okay. Mm-hmm.

And the engineer said that he was recording audio, but what was really happening? He actually was recording. He baked all the audio into one single track, so it was unusable for me. Oh no, what'd you do? He made it. Great question.

Fortunately with Zoom, I'm able to do a multi-track setup as a backup. I was able to use the backup and kind of save the day. I just want to say this answer doesn't mean that it wasn't a great question. No. It can be a great question, not have a great answer, you know what I mean?

A lot of the best questions, the answer is un-listenable. Mm-hmm. So that's just something to keep in mind. I gave a 98 mile an hour slider that he couldn't hit. Uh-huh. But I gave him a great pitch. That's exactly right. I set him up for success.

You sometimes make him look silly up there. Kevin, lie, buddy. Lie. Give us a great bananas anecdote, man. OK. Here, try again. Oh, so we got Bobon. There's Bobon.

Yeah. Wait, you wanted to try the question again? Yeah. Oh, OK. You have an answer for the question now? Yeah. Okay, if you're ready. Go ahead, Eric.

Don't let him see the same pitch twice. Oh, yeah. He learns. Well, what went wrong, Kevin? He said he would hurt me. Johnny Banana said that? He said, I'm going to make you a Johnny Banana split. Do you know who he is?

He's a TV guy. He's a podcast guy. He's a TV guy. We're all TV guys. Yeah. Okay. Here we sit. We're all TV guys. Don't say that like that's a different thing

than what we do. We're all TV guys. We're not intimidated by a table read or something. You know? It's life we chose. Mary Holland, Rachel Billson, some of these I'm seeing why I didn't get invited to do this show. And some of them I'm like, it's not insane.

It's not impossible. No. Right? So it's like this like kind of bob, sometimes I'm feeling farther away. Sometimes I'm feeling a little bit closer, of Bob sometimes I'm feeling farther away. Sometimes I'm feeling a little bit closer, you know, I'm just looking at it. I'm going, some of these makes me think they probably should have had us do the show and no offense, but you're one of them, right?

Oh no. And I'm, I'm acutely aware. I had, I didn't do the show. No I'm there cause I had lunch with like Jake today. Like I'm looking at these names. I know where I'm at and I didn't quite, I wouldn't have gotten that call if I didn't do the show? No, I'm there because I had lunch with Jake today. I'm looking at these names, I know where I'm at. That's what I remember. I wouldn't have gotten that call if I didn't know Jake. And I'm aware of that.

Where did you guys have lunch today? We went to the Panda Inn in Pasadena, which is real interesting. It's where the Panda Express sprung from. And it was a phenomenal meal. It's like the first Panda Express. But it's different. Have you been?

No. Guys, go. I'll meet you there if you Yeah. But it's like different. Have you been? No. Guys go. I'll meet you there if you want. This is not a bit. Okay. This isn't a Hollywood bit or a bunch of bullshit. Okay. I don't traffic in that.

I'll meet you at Panda Inn next week. What'd you eat there? I got the tofu and eggplant. It was incredible. Wow. Really good, really good. You know, we're keeping our New Year's resolutions. Okay.

No refined sugar, boys. You know? And they didn't have any in that? Probably a tiny bit, but it's in a sauce. Yeah, there's some in there. No refined sugar boys. You know? And they didn't have any in that? Probably a tiny bit, but it's in a sauce. Yeah, there's some in there. It's a sauce. It's in a sauce, friend. Are you kidding? It's just in the sauce. It was a sweeter sauce, but I'm sure, you know, and it could have been honey because they're using real quality ingredients. And that's true for like the orange chicken too. It's like, it's not like inside a chicken that it has sugar in it. It's like, it's just in the sauce. You just said the word orange. That's a fruit. And that's fruit. No, that's a whole fruit. That grows on a tree. That's healthy.

No, it's one of those staples. That's like fine sugar. Big four food groups. And so, and what did Jake have? He had the three cup chicken. Wow. With like a bunch of different sauces in it. Loved it.

We're gonna go back. Oh. Yeah. So this is an exclusive. So many cups. What is this? No, I'm dish perfect. No, I'm dishin'. What is this, pitch perfect? Guys, I'm dishin' right now.

What a, what's- This is real Hollywood insider shit. What'd you guys talk about? Yeah, what was the lunch about? You know, got into the business, deep in the business. Was it like a specific thing that you were gonna like talk about at this lunch, or was it like- Yeah, was there like a mission, like a goal for the lunch?

Or was it like- I know Jake always wants to have like a fucking mission when you go to the lunch, you know what I mean? Like something to achieve. Not with me, man. Not with me. Really? Okay. Yeah, we go way back.

So I think he knows that mission won't be achieved with me. It's strictly hanging. I feel like I need a really good reason to get him to sit down to a lunch with me. And I just assumed that was how he approached lunch. I didn't know that it was just me. I thought it was him. But as I look back,

every time I have asked him to have lunch, he's gone, with you, why? And if I don't have like a good answer right away that like somehow like, heals him. But he's asking in a way that he genuinely, there is an answer that you could give him. Yeah, it's not ruled out. Yeah.

Yeah. No, sometimes, yeah, and sometimes there is a reason. Who are the huge people you work with? Oh yeah, you were saying you work with huge people. Oh, there's just so many. Yeah. You know. Yeah, it's so many, you were saying you work with huge people. Oh, there's just so many. Yeah. You know. Yeah, it's so many Hayes.

It's so many Hayes, please. Pick one. CP, Chris Pratt. Chris Pratt? Please, friend, please. Wow. Please. What was that on?

Four episodes of Parks and Rec and then Jurassic World. Four episodes of Parks and Rec. I've worked with Zooey Deschanel. And then Jurassic World. Yeah. Wow. and Rec. I've worked with Zooey Deschanel. And then Jurassic World. Yeah. Wow. I don't know. Okay.

So did one come from the other? Was it that the Parks and Rec episode, like the four you said, right? Four, friend, four. How many did I do? It was these close. What's funny is like he seems to like really like know, I did four episodes, you know what I mean? Yeah, I'm not like, counting episodes necessarily anymore. And you're like, I know I did it.

At least one. Like, I like the show, fun show. You gotta remember there was more. But I, but. You're not like going home and sitting and waiting for the episode to be like, I'm gonna watch it. I'm gonna watch it. I'm gonna watch it.

I'm gonna watch it. I'm gonna watch it. I'm gonna watch it. I'm gonna watch it. I'm gonna watch it. I'm gonna watch it. I'm gonna watch it. I'm gonna watch it.

I'm gonna watch it. I'm gonna watch it. I'm gonna watch it. I'm gonna watch it. I'm gonna watch it. I'm gonna watch it. I know I did it. Like, I like the show, fun show. You gotta remember there was more. But I, but. You're not like going home and sitting and waiting for the episode to be like, I'm gonna watch my big episode, you know? It's like.

Yeah, but so when you're on Parks and Rec, is he kind of, are you feeling like he's feeling you out to see how you would act around a dinosaur? Exactly, same thing you guys did watching here to help. He's watching me every second, seeing if I can get eaten. Seeing if I eaten Seeing if I can be paddock supervisor. Oh, you know what I was Without me letting the dinosaur out boys. That's a 27 minute short Okay, nobody's going to the multi that fucking so I just want to say like inhabit that character Who like is so excited about keeping the dinosaurs

in the paddock. Right? That's like his, like, that was his dream that he pursued as his job. Yeah. Was keeping the dinosaur in the paddock. Yeah. And so you watch, like, just as he's about to get eaten,

he's not sad about being eaten. No. No, no, no. That was always a risk. Yes. That was a part of the job that was outside of his control, whether he got eaten or not. But being able to keep him in the paddock,

that was the one thing, the one thing that seemed guaranteed in this guy's life. No. And so you have to have it, like, a fall on your face as you're being eaten that you know. No. That you failed. I failed. If we're gonna use the parlance

of the upright citizens brigade, the game was keeping the dinosaur in the paddock. Okay. And I failed. So I really let that register on my face at the time. And again, these are the things you can't quite teach. I don't think that's how they use that. Well, they heighten over there.

And you know what the other thing is? They have a heck of a. I didn't say they didn't quite teach. I don't think that's how they use that. Well, they heighten over there, and you know what the other thing is? They have a heck of a. I didn't say they didn't heighten. I'm saying, I've seen incredible heightening. You find the game, you heighten, and then the other big thing, bub, don't think. They don't want you up there thinking, okay? Yes. Some would say they're thinking very fast, uh-uh-uh.

That's not what it says in the back of the hoodie. It says don't think. And so I really try not to. And I believe it says now don't think twice. Well, they sold it. So after they sold it, they had to go don't think twice. And it's not a Dylan thing. They cleared that up with the estate and the copyright.

It's not a Dylan thing, it's a Biglia thing. It really is, it really is, because he's deep into prob. You work with some big people, have you worked with Mike Bir Biglia? I haven't, I have gotten darn close, would have loved it, would have loved to have been in his improv movie, they went another way. I think, you know, a lot of times they're threatened.

I'm also, I'm sure you guys can see it, that I'm watching, I'm very tall. Oh, okay. So I don't want wanna say it, there are a lot of people in this town with a horrific Napoleonic complex. I'm not saying Burbigs is one, but I am saying that's kept me from a lot of work. Well, he's looming over everyone. Everyone, I don't think of him as a particularly tall guy.

No, but he towers over every other, but the whole improv show is all about them like, you know shouting up Yes, but he's accidentally almost like stepping on them. Yeah, that's not happening if I'm there, right? You're not I'm looming I'm over him and his sleep disorder and everything else that that's you know I'll be and then the other characters in the movie are like invisible at that now then it's not it's then it's not about him And it's a character. and as a character actor. You hear what I do to his name? Mike Bersmollia.

You say Mike Bersmollia. Oh, shit. Yeah. This is why I'm in the show right now. Mr. Bersmollia. This is like I came in, my locker's here, there's a jersey that's stitched. Bersmollia, are you kidding me?

I know. It's nice to be in the show. I'm not at a double tree, I'm at the fucking Four Seasons Okay, there's just a little bit of chocolate on my pillow and a turndown and I'm gonna get up early and I'm gonna go hit tomorrow And that's a story you can tell like for the rest of your life. I appreciate it. Yeah, I feel as induction ceremony Oh, they'll come to you and be like what did you what was it? Like? Yeah, here's how it was Jake Yeah they'll come to you and be like, when did you, what was it like? Yeah, here's how it was, Jake. Yeah. And so I wanna go back to Chris Pratt,

when you were doing Parks, was Dr. Owen Grady there? Was he working back there? Were you kind of like seeing, were you seeing Dr. Owen Grady start to emerge? No, I saw a chubby guy from a small town in Washington, a lot like me. And then when I showed up at Jurassic,

that's kind of what we call it when we shoot, just Jurassic. You don't have to say. No. Holy shit. When I showed up there, he had abs. People could think it's Park and not World War II. No, that's it, that's it.

But it's implied, because people know that I'm the guy that let out the darkness. Yeah. So, kind of a little further in my cap,'s it, that's it. But it's implied, because people know that I'm the guy that let out the diamonds. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, kinda a little further in my cap, and I'm not sweating it. Yeah. You know what I mean?

So that was all nice, but yeah, when I showed up on Jurassic, he had abs. Yeah. And it was completely impressive. He had transformed himself. He graduated from a schlubby, Washingtonian character kinda guy, and I was happy for him.

It wasn't anything I wanted to mirror. Cause you know, I'm really into the craft of it all. So you have a Dr. Owen Grady there too that you are keeping in there. I don't want him to come out. No, I'd much rather be like seven, eight on the call sheet. I'm not working every day.

I'm going to live music. I'm going to minor league baseball game. I've been a ton of Tulsa drillers baseball game. I'm gonna be back day, I'm going to live music, I'm going to a minor league baseball game, I've been to a ton of Tulsa Driller's baseball games. I'm gonna be back later in a couple months. If you get abs, you're working every fucking day. The job I'm on now, friends, not to, I'm working with Alfred Molina, he's there every day and he's like 72 years old.

Weird Al. Weird Al, the original Weird Al. Lovely man, absolutely lovely. You talk classically trained. Fred, as I call him, as he's asked me to call him. Yeah. You know, he's a total pro, but he's working every day. Me, I just breeze in two or three days a week

and then I get to enjoy Albuquerque. In a lot of live music you're seeing there. Oh, plenty of it, plenty of it, guys. You said Fred, I had drop dead Fred maybe trying to compete with Kevin's Weird Al, and it didn't feel good to have to send my Back to the bench because of because Kevin's because Kevin had actually mowed those basically game over any

Yeah, but I don't know thanks. Thanks for coming out. We're not gonna need you today I got that's a drastic parks and recreation in the holster to if we go back on that What's your what is your version of the dr. Owen Grady? Jurassic Parks and Recreation and the Holster too, if we can circle back on that. Alfred Molina. What is your version of the Dr. Owen Grady, like what movie is he from? Like what is he? Like the actualized version of me with like abs. The one that's in you, like what's the movie,

what's the character? And I know you don't wanna do it now. Please. And I think you're making the right choice for you. Yeah. But what I think would be cool, 85, 90 years old. Oh yeah, no, there we go.

That's when you turn it up. And so I think that you may wanna start thinking now, start cooking up what is the story for your Owen Grady. Turn it on. You probably have a different name. Just let, yeah, finally let him out. now start cooking up what is the story for your Owen Grady. You probably have a different name. Just let, yeah, finally let him out. Elon Grady or- He's really old.

Or Owen Musk. But he's got the abs and like the- This is great. He's got the one big bicep vein and you just let him out when he's really old. This is fantastic, and that's what June did, June Squibb. Yes, that's right. Who I believe there's some award buzz

this year, and she's having her big break in her 90s, and I think you're right, that's probably when I'll really peak. That's what I'm excited to see, and I think it's gonna be fun to look back and go like, oh, this was always in there. And they'll hear this podcast. But he was teasing us.

Yeah, you're right. He was teasing us a little bit right till we were so fucking hungry we had to have it yeah yeah you know we're doing all our dinners on the first day of the month you know but I said but I did that it's 730 but we could you could see see when Jack Krasinski was like, like episode one, you could see that Jack Ryan was in there. Oh dude, the first, here's what he would do is he would actually look at the camera,

raise this eyebrow, and you're like, that's an action hero. Yes. That's an action hero. I would basically feel like on the other side of the TV, I'm Al Qaeda and he's about to smoke my shit. Absolutely. I would go, wait a second, I thought Al Qaeda and he's about to smoke my shit. Absolutely. I would go, wait a second, I thought he was just a simple analyst.

Yes, yes. He has no experience in the field. Actually he's Navy SEAL weapons trained. And he'd be standing like in the back of some scenes and he'd do just like mime doing that little thing where you like rack a pistol. He's not holding a pistol or anything, but you're like, wow. He'd do like a waterboarding little thing. Just a little thing. you like rack a pistol. He's not holding a pistol or anything, but you're like, wow.

He'd do like a waterboarding little thing. Just a little thing. Just a tiny thing. Just exploring the space that was there. He used to do a little bit of waterboarding on Dwight or something. He would just like put like his stapler inside a jello mold.

Oh, that was their thing. And then he would waterboard him a little bit with the leftover water from the Jell-O recipe. It was actually, yeah, it was really cool for me because I did a full rewatch recently, rewatch and relisten to Office Ladies from the beginning and to the whole series, and both held up better than I thought they would,

which I expected them to be great But it's no bad weren't they were fucking awesome and as I was doing it I was surprised how many times he did kind of wink at you and go like Jack Ryan might be coming along in just a minute or two Yeah, well, he's ruggedly handsome too, and then you just know we can really fuck up a bunch of terrorists Yeah, that comes through especially middle of season two, when we brought in the beet farm and Kevin's chili. At first, yeah, at first it was sort of,

they're doing the old one, they hadn't totally found their voice and how they were gonna make it different yet. And then they started to do the chili. Oh, the chili. They started to have him sort of like, yeah, cocking a weapon and like tucking it away or like, yeah, sneaking in

to underground tunnel where they were keeping hostages or something, just fucking blasting people. Just subtle things like going underneath the paper company to like do a dead drop and communicate with like a double agent from the Russian government. Stuff that was like subtle, like wasn't necessarily outside the world of The Office, but it wasn't exclusively there and it was kind of a bridge that allowed us to really enter Jack Ryan, you know, without any kind of getting the bends.

So yeah, I enjoyed that rewatch. I enjoyed that re-listen as well. And I listened to the ads on the re-listen too. You know they won best ad reads one year at the iHeartRadio Awards. And the more, the older I get, the more I understand why. And that was the year we were nominated as well. It's like whatever. Oh, was it the same year? The older I get, the more I understand why.

And that was the year we were nominated as well. It's like whatever. Oh, was it the same year? Who gives a shit? But we were nominated that same year because I remember that was the year we were like, we have one year in us to really deliver on these ads. Do the ads, yeah. And in a way that will specifically be targeting

the iHeartRadio voters, the nominee voters. We have one shot at this. And as we're going through the year, honestly by May, I listen to one episode of Office Ladies and I'm like, okay, I'll see this through the end, but this is donezo. Yeah. It's over.

And it's fine. We came out hot, I think, early on in the season. We couldn't maintain the pace the way they could be because their ads were just, it's like the fucking Terminator, you know what I mean? Like you're just like, at the end of the day, I'm a human being.

Like yeah, I can have a special ad now and then, but I'm not built like that. Like I didn't do, you know, eight seasons or whatever. No, like Jen and Angela. Like the funniest comedy, like, yeah. They're just that, I mean, Jenna lives in Casey Stingles' old house. Like this is big shit.

So that's all you need to know. That's it, that's all you need to know. You know? That's the whole story. That's it, it's also, I'm gonna say this, and this is controversial, those I hearts are very political. It's the best person. Yeah, some years, no.

Sometimes it's both the best choice and the most political choice. And we didn't play the game, we didn't go to any of the dinners, you know what I mean? We didn't go, we of the dinners, you know what I mean? We didn't go, you know, we didn't get invited to anything. We didn't go to anything. We didn't talk to anyone.

We weren't welcome anywhere near the awards show itself. Yeah. Yeah, we didn't play the game a little bit. If I went back to do it again, and I'm not saying we even could, but you know, if we just kind of found ourselves like in that groove again, where the ads were feeling good, I would probably go out of my way to show up at the home

of some of the I Heart Radio executives and voters and kind of just start like doing some chores around the house and also like talking to like their children and spouses and stuff and kind of try to get more into what you were saying, the political side of things. And it's not in a threatening way unless, you know, if it is.

Unless that's how they get off or some people, that thrill, that excitement, knowing that someone, psychotic and dangerous is in their home. If that's the only way that they can feel anything, I'd totally be willing to provide that for them, and I may do it regardless. Living in a house with Casey Stengel's ghost, I imagine, you listen to Office Ladies,

you can kind of feel that informing her experience now. Mighty Casey. Yes, and honestly, I think you can pinpoint the episode when she moved into Casey Stengel's house, like just by like, just like the presence of Casey Stengel's ghost. I'll bet it's awesome. Oh, God. Right? Oh, yeah.

I'll bet he has incredible stories. I'll bet he loves, like, you know, some ghosts are, like, scared of new technology, you know? But I think he is, like, delighted by it. Just willing to learn. Just going, like, show me how that works. Like, that was the thing about, that you always hear about Casey Stangel,

is that he maintained that child's mind and that sense of wonderment, you know? That so many of us let go of. Yes, he was like dumb. He was a complete fucking moron, you know what I mean? But in the best way, in the best way. Stengelese they called him.

Like some of our friends, you know? And he talked in like, yeah, stupid, that he was talked to like a stupid way. But I mean, stories are incredible. And I'll bet he's like, kind of gross, you know, he's like an old guy, it's like a woman in the house. And he's from a different time.

Oh my God, yes. No, there's obviously like, sexual harassment is taking place between the ghost and Angela. But it's maybe like the old guy kind, that it's like, Casey. You kind of roll your eyes, you go like, no, Casey, we don't do that.

Come on. Yeah, it's a little bit of like, yeah, you kind of like, you have a chuckle about it and you go ahead and you just sort of keep a hand down by your butt cheek in your bed and get something out of the drawer. He's in the bathroom a lot. I think he's doing the thing where he's outside

the bathroom, he's like, anyone in here? She's like, no. Casey, come on. You know someone's in here, that's why you open the door. Please, Jenna has to know. I'm so sorry, yeah, it's, geez, bad timing. I had to winkle, you know, and it's just like, come on, man, ghosts don't have to winkle. That's, and it's just like, come on, man,

ghost. The way that's right. Why are you talk like that? Nor done comes over. He's watching her in the bathroom. Anyone just all our famous friends. Yeah. He might occasionally check out a guy just to see what he's packing. Oh, that guy's got a full lunch. Well, he was a man, you know, like he has. I'll bet he has incredible stories about what different players were.

Who was packing what and like, and yeah. Very famous Pete Rose story. Apparently Joe DiMaggio was packing a full lunch. Saw him overseas. Pete tells this story a lot. This isn't a bit, you can check it out on YouTube. Okay. All right.

Casey managed Joe at the end of his career. Actually, while you're on YouTube- He was packing such a full lunch that he saw him overseas. Yeah, he was on an overseas tour. It went all the way overseas. Wow. Wow. Across oceans.

Oh my God. Excuse me, ended up married to Marilyn Monroe. Yeah, I guess that makes sense. I guess she would want a monster one. Marilyn Monroe friend. Of course, I bet she wanted. She must one. It's Marilyn Monroe, friend. Of course. Yeah. She must have loved the way that felt.

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