Hollywood Handbook - Gareth Reynolds, Our Next We Have Friend

Episode Date: September 16, 2025

The Boys welcome GARETH REYNOLDS back on the podcast to compare writing credits and try to teach him that it's not a competition.Check out Gareth’s new podcast Next We Have on Apple Podcasts or YouTube!Get a Hat Pack Hat here!Watch the video of today’s episode at Patreon.com/HollywoodHandbook This is a Headgum podcast. Follow Headgum on Twitter, Instagram, and Tiktok. Advertise on Hollywood Handbook via Gumball.fm See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

This is a headgum podcast. You want me to do your ads? Is that what this is about? Why is the ad up? Just a gentle nudge. I don't feel that gentle. I guess you're the judge of what gentle. Judge Nudge.

Right. So, all right. So you want us to do. So, Garrett is here. We have the ad up on the screen that we're supposed to record, you know, in between the episodes or after the episode, Kevin's characterized it as a gentle nudge. I would say it's a potentially show-ruining nudge to have ad copy on a big screen in front of us as we try to get into what is a pretty complex show, actually. What we have planned for this one is not,

this is not the one that I would pick to be the one where there's different words than what we I'm not really not particularly excited about trying to balance all of the different elements of doing a podcast episode with Gareth while I'm also reading

ad copy from what is, let's face it, a disgusting predatory company. I believe outside of the ad itself, I'm a lot to say that. And not necessarily the most disgusting or

predatory than we. Not even close. Not even close. I would advertise for much worse companies than this. I would use this company and I have and I will again. So you know, you could take my criticisms with a great result because I am very much a participant.

There's way worse stuff I would happily advertise for because you get something like 1,700 bucks. Yes, that's right. This is what people don't understand when they criticize have you noticed this when people are like, how dare you advertise

for that company? You know, we don't get this ad but like, better help. Oh, yeah. And they're like mad about it. Whatever it is. Like, and by the way, if they're hearing this, we would love to everybody. Yeah. And by the way, discount. Do people understand that like, they pay

you to do these ads? Yes. Like they say, like, why are you doing this? Like, I honestly think people do not know that like, that they, the advertisers pay money for us to do them it seems as if they're not aware because the the way they react is if we're doing it only to promote the company and that there's not an exchange of money happening yeah well have you and it's the kind of it's not like limited in

terms of like it's not a gift certificate to that company it's it's money that you can spend any other i often do spend the money or donate company yeah yeah sure charity that undercuts the company Yeah, whatever. It's like, yeah, some of it. And also sometimes you get, sometimes you get also like free product from the company. Right. No, there's a whole side of this that's disgusting. But what were you going to say?

It's great to be here. Yeah, but you were saying something before when we were talking about the average, have you seen that? Have you done that? Have you done that? Where they'll drop in like into your back catalog, the programmatic ones. The dynamic, dynamic that are sometimes insane and someone will be like, It was like for a gun company or for like a church and you're like, yeah.

Yeah, we put no restrictions. We did all the barriers. Yeah, we said literally anything. And then if people hit us up, don't care, ignore them. And especially it goes back into the episode where we like get a little serious because a serious tragedy has just taken place in the world. And then the advertisement is for a tragedy.

Just the tragedy making company. yes yeah no i know but you are just but again they're like why did that happen it's like well because they we had we we had an ad for the taliban yeah really yes how long ago this money spends the same i don't know yeah i mean but you know with the dynamic ads it was literally like eternal like how long ago well that i feel like maybe you guys should monitor that a little i mean that feels like it wasn't always there was a time when the taliban was not like what the worst it wasn't like company where people were like oh the Taliban people were like it was kind of it was like Elon you either didn't know yeah you either didn't know that much about

it or your awareness was it was very peripheral they hadn't like made a splash the way that like Elon has now yeah they were doing some interesting stuff it was that time what like I mean they had I mean it's in the ad just listen to the yeah you know like you want me to do it for free well I just wonder like oh you just like promote the talban on your show or you guys it was copy this this undercuts the entire thing if you have me promoting the taliban and the context where i'm not being paid well that doesn't make sense to me we thought we were using an example you would connect to because you have that you have that bumper sticker on your car that says i bought this thing before elan went crazy well yeah but i did that's different you know what i mean that's different that's a different

well it's yeah on a regular tesla i would say yes but the cyber truck by the time that was really available it was it was pretty clear that which direction this was heading and the dot and the eye has a face in it that's winking yeah well yeah it's what is he winking about yeah it's kind of tongue and cheek i mean that's elin's whole thing comedy was dead well i'm not going to get into all that okay so it does sound like you like Elon like no that's Elon's whole comedy is illegal i think the comparison to the Taliban and someone who drives i don't even say me but someone who drives a cyber truck with a, I bought this before Elon was crazy, Elon winking in it. Well, we're not comparing that to the Taliban.

We're comparing it to having an ad for the Taliban before people meet. Well, which question am I supposed to add answer here? Because this is a little, it feels like your guys are gay. Well, you mischaracterized the, the comparison. You said we were comparing the act of driving a cyber truck with that sticker to the Taliban. No, we were comparing it to doing an ad for the Taliban. Not even doing an ad. having a dynamic ad inserted.

Sure. Sure. Yeah. And then to answer your question, I think it is supposed to Eon's face. Okay. It's the kind of, he's the meme guy. It's way harder. I'm not an Elon fan.

Like, it's like a really hot guy. It's just much better looking than I consider Elon to be. By the way, we're not this show. I feel like every episode we have to say that we're not into like body shaming or whatever. No. And Elon would be the worst one. I was just going as far as to say, that like he's clearly working out that yeah that i don't think you want is the hottest guy in the

world which it feels like but it's subjective as well as someone i'm a satio sexual i like the i like so you think he is the hottest guy in the world but you bought it so sapio yeah but you bought it before he went crazy yeah yeah i bought it like months ago okay yeah before before and i don't even think he's gone crazy now. I think he's kind of been vilified. I see. So you're saying I bought this before Elon went crazy which is going to happen potentially at some point in the future but maybe

has not happened. I mean the weight on this guy right now. Yeah with how much criticism he's receiving. And also all the pressure he's put on himself to kind of save the plan. I bought this before Elon went crazy putting up with all your bullshit all the people that are complaining about it. I bought this thing before you drove

Elon crazy. And by the way, they haven't driven him crazy but they're they're pushing him but he's managing it I mean he's like you know he's Tony Stark clearly he's the Tony Stark figure that

you know if anything yeah but and he's fun I mean he's funnier than Tony Stark but yeah exactly and I'm just saying comparing that Tony Stark is funny

in the movies he's funny he's not like hilarious yeah and he wasn't fighting being as funny in the books and by the way I don't call him comic books

I call him books yeah no they're definitely I agree that where you can see eye on those are books yeah but he's He's not as funny in that, but in the movies, he's really funny. Charming.

And I think that's what Elon has going on for him. But I don't want to get bogged down and all that. I mean, that's like... No, that shouldn't be what the episodes of... Because that's become a political... Yeah, exactly. A little bit of a third rail. Third rail.

Yeah. But I don't, you know, let's... I think we all love America, and that's why the Taliban thing was troubling to hear that you guys. Were you going to say third rail? Yeah. I thought you might say football, political football, which is a thing that people say. Yeah. I mean, I know.

I'm familiar with both terms. Yeah. Very well. Yeah. Just like you know dynamic and programmatic. I mean, I've noticed that you kind of turned your nose up at the programmatic thing. That's just another way to say it. It's not how I, yep, it's not how I've ever heard it described.

I've been in the game a while. Yeah. No, that's what I'm going to have. You have. And a new show we're excited about next. Oh, my God. Speaking of being in the game, this guy changed the game. Yeah.

And now he's looking to change it again. I mean, that is the nicest thing that I think that's the nicest thing you two have said about me. That's really nice. And do you mean that? I mean, it feels like, you know, it's not just like doing another podcast. You think it's kind of changing the game a little? I've said you want to change the game. Oh, I think it should change the game.

His, what did you hear? I did hear change the game. And I was just going to sit here and not. I said you changed the game and now you're changing it again or you want to change it again. Right. Yeah. Well, either way, yeah, there's another, there's a, you know, the, yeah, it's called Next we have you guys have been on the show um we just were just finished recording yeah and we talked

about on that show doing something kind of interesting because like yeah uh i think it is fair to say we didn't really get where we were intending to go i yes i would say that for the entirety of the show i didn't know what was happening what was supposed to happen what you wanted to happen what i should be doing why we were on the show what the show is and you kept saying that you were saying all these things but i that's not what i was hearing what i was hearing was something else can i can i just can i just say and not to tell you guys how to run your show but i definitely think we should not be talking just about how that went on this show because i think it's a whole other show the whole other show and i think if you listen to that show you can see that i came in with a plan

and it didn't happen in the way that I saw it. I have to listen now? I just did it. No, you don't have to. No, but I mean, well, first of all, you shouldn't make it sound like it's going to be work to listen to. I think we found it and had a lot of fun. Work is much less painful for me than like what that experience was.

I live to work. I mean, I'm passionate about my work. Oh, I love to work. And I think we, and comparing that to work is, like, I'm a worker among workers. It's totally disconnected from what that experience. was like I will not be listening to it even talking about it now I agree with you I would love to not spend this entire episode doing that but I do want I think it would be helpful

just to give it because this episode is coming out first sure so this gives us an opportunity here to get ahead of some stuff set the table a little bit yeah yeah get out in front of some issues no no no not get in front of stuff to promote it to promote it and that's great it's called next we have and you guys did it and um you know the And I think that, and what was it? It was, it was like being in a writer's room. Is that what the show it normally is? No.

But that's what I loved about the segments we did, because it's supposed to be segments. And again, I really, I'm not, I'm not suggesting we. That's such a surprise. He seems so mad about it being described that way. Come on, it's a writer's room. We've all been in writers' rooms. And I know you said that that kind of came as a surprise to you.

Yeah, I wasn't aware that you had. You finished that episode. that episode so in the continuity of our own experience we were just talking about how you've said that you've done some writing before seems like you've all done writing seems like you want to keep talking about that

I don't want to but I mean we've all written on stuff I hate to do what I guess is sort of a companion piece to what is ultimately kind of a well careful friendless no what no

very lonely yeah no and should be I mean something should be like in isolation no you know because we live in a collective society oh I I'm gonna insist that you guys listen to it because I think if you listen to it you'll say

oh wow okay not only were you guys great on it you could see my plan I and the editing you kept saying is kind of really there was a lot of talk about how much editing minimal editing yeah there's not good no no you think it's maybe we had absolutely

I don't, well, I'll put it out fat. Compared to other episodes you've done or just for a podcast overall. Well, just for just in general. I just, I don't think you, I think, I think if you guys listen, it's one of those ones where you'll go. Okay. There were act breaks. And that's why I compared to a writer's room

because it felt like we were all pitching in a great way and best idea one. Do you want to talk, just say your credits? It feels like that's what you. No. Yeah, you kind of just go around. Well, I've run out some big stuff, but I'm not even getting into that. That's great. I'd love to know what some of the titles were, just so we can get to the other side of you.

I think of you as like a stand-up or like a... Oh, well, thank you. Go ahead. Thank you. Kevin, he wants you to Google him, so like, go ahead and pull it up. Just so we can get to their side. He won't tell us. Okay, no, no.

Okay, you don't want to tell me how to do my show, but you want to tell me to hold on. But how about it and go, you know, like... Ask you what it is. I'm not totally what the show usually is. I have asked you twice, I think, what it was. You want to be interviewed about it, but not. It felt like you didn't want to ask. That's why I didn't answer easily.

I'd like to ask so we can... Okay. So we can move beyond this. All right. I'll get into it. I've written on... You ever heard of the show called You're the Worst? Uh-huh.

Yeah. Heard of it. It's a great show. Yeah. That's... What? Arrested development? Oh, what?

Yeah. Have you heard of that one? Season. Which season? I don't get into what season I wrote. because I think if you watch that show that whole show is about in totality

all the writers would say it doesn't matter what season you write on of a show if you're in the club you're in the club and I'm in the club okay yeah but but yeah those that I wrote on Arrested Development yeah yeah season what's your favorite season I mean just for me like I

I wrote on Eastbound and down it was great show I wrote on season four so I want like yes I agree that's what everyone says one and four were kind of like the two like really really good seasons and so yours was it can just be helpful to understand

especially because there was a really long gap between season three of the show I think and season four it was almost like a completely different show well I think I think the whole thing first of all those are great seasons of Eastbound and Down. So kudos to you.

Thank you. And I would love to offer you kudos as well, but you seem to not want to share shows change. Which season? And I think that's what I loved about the later seasons of Eastbound and Down. Have you seen season four? Of Eastbound? Yeah. I've seen season four of Eastbound.

Yeah, my friend Hayes wrote for it. Yeah, my buddy Hayes did. I love it. I would have friends over and we would just like watch a show I talk about some of the production stuff. Yeah. Yeah. No, I know. And that was I've also written on I wrote on a show called Flaked

the second season Wow so you with Will Arna really got in the second season of Flake okay I wrote on that I didn't even want to ask

if it was the first or second season because the second one really like I would just I would just personally just say I wrote on Flake well see you were trying to get it and it seemed like you volunteer which season on that one

for other shows I think it's helpful to specify for flaked i would just say i wrote on flaked i would not be any season like like you said like arrested like that's a show like the credit itself is so great yeah i think for flaked let me just assume you know that it was the whole show or even season one

yeah but that but there you i look i'm not i'm just saying we've we've all been writers and i yeah arrested development i didn't know yeah so that's a pretty big show no i says that's and that's why we asked i mean actually we asked just so you could say it so we could talk about something else but I but but I but I didn't I have no I'm ready to move on I mean but I yeah I just think now we can all sort of go hey eastbound and down arrest development those are some that's some big stuff that's a big room yeah you know and

that's what I was comparing the podcast too was it was very much a writer's room it got intense yeah but so did the West Wing and look at how good that shows it yeah it gets heated did you worry on that no it's too young but I but but otherwise you so they rejected you or something How do you apply to it? No, I couldn't have even applied to a while. How do you know you were too young? Yeah. As a kid, I'm a very, I'm young.

Yeah. First of all, I haven't been, you know, I haven't been in the game that long. I think it honestly could have used one kid in there. There's like no, barely any kid. Like, you could tell that there was no kid voice in that. I completely agree. That's partly why it's, I think it's aged so poorly. Yeah, it just feels it's so dated because it's all grown-ups.

It was the fifth season of arresting development. It was the fifth. yeah okay because i was going to say that arrested development feels like i just remember there being four yes i remember there being three and then the fourth came back and i think people kind of went like

we tried you know to come back but i wasn't even aware and there was the fifth yeah which great which is so yeah and it was a split season it was kind of like two seasons it was split kind of yeah because people didn't want to be in the same place is that no one's in the same room right the curtain stuff that I what I say to you

hey you know was Danny McBride oh was he upset about that's a family I'm happy to answer any questions about that arrested was a we were all a family then why was it so I'm not going to make headlight no families are kind of supposed to be together I agree we were all like especially we would go and kayaking you think of them as

you don't think that I tie act with some of those guys some of them but you are you seriously suggesting never on the same day right i've got let's just say if we were kayaking i could have gotten a big crew and i'm guessing you were on the arnett side of things there's no sides okay i i just am saying comedy wise i know it's only one of the like a lot of those guys got shows later and only one of them was like you know like come on my should do flaked season two

you weren't on Ozark season two for example what that look come on you think I would Jason

you wait you were about to say you think I would do Ozark no no I would no I think that's a pretty good credit there I think if he'd offered it to me I'd have said

Jay I don't think I'm ready to do this for that right now you know get it going maybe I'll come in next season like I did on flaked

something like that you said that i've liked will ask you to be on season one and you said i don't think i'm ready right now get it going and then i'll come do next to yeah let me let me get in the lab or go to the get some reps i'm sorry no i don't remember that i just know what i see will we don't go it's not a project-based relationship when do you see have you guessed it on the podcast you're a podcaster that's a podcast Seems like it would be a good fit since your friends. And since you do see him, have you seen him in that context? Have I seen Will in the context of doing smartness?

Being a guest on smartless. Have you been a guest on smartless? Have you been a guest on the show? let me try to get this i'm sorry let's try to get this question clear because i think there's a disconnect this is my fault no yeah well okay hold on hold on the question the question doesn't even merit an answer in that way not in that way okay because uh the question being have i been on smartless because smartless has guess yes right yeah and that's kind of the whole idea you're saying

how much you see will and that you guys run into each other it's not a project base it sounds more like chatting which is kind of what they do smartless they have a conversation if you have a guy's email

are you know what are you friends I guarantee you how about this I guarantee you I guarantee you does that mean you're like well in a Hollywood seat

there's a Hollywood seat you're like typing a W in your Gmail and like sometimes it'll auto complete and like you'll see oh my God If I were to search for his email, I'd do it on my laptop, and that would come up.

Yeah. Yeah. And that's his email. Uh-huh. Yeah, so there you go. Hollywood Handbook. Cooler attempts are rolling in, and as always, Quince is where I'm turning for fall staples that actually last. It's time for your Quinceanennaera.

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So yeah. So I think what I was saying was we're all in the game and I'm so close to you just so you know like I'm really like I'm only a couple feet away from you. So I can hear you fine. So just when you go to talk to me, just know.

So you can hear you just check in to say like we're good on. I'm having a good time. I'm having a good time. I don't think that's illegal. I'm enjoying myself too. But I think it's a lot like Hayes would have said on season four of Eastbound. Yeah. Yeah.

It's so similar. We're all saying the same thing. Kayaking is on the table with some of these people. That is on the table. Yeah. but is doing smart lists on the table like that's what I was kind of curious about

because like it's sort of a seems like as a podcaster kayaking with microphones and right yeah right and even like less of a lift in terms of like a gosh well you know what I love about the show well you know they only do it through Zoom

isn't that crazy did you guys know that oh that's convenient because anybody yeah I know you could be on the road I know I know I what you go on that so there's literally nothing prohibiting you from doing no doing it or having done it or about to do it or we'll do it they're doing it in the future

oh so you're about you're about there's a bunch there's a lot of you know I mean look again I think that you guys are you guys have been in the game long enough that you know that if you don't even have to be on a podcast to have necessarily done something like that we're what one thing I'm thinking

of could be kind of fun to think about is so the way that show works right is one of the guys will surprise the others with the guest. Yes. So they don't know who the guest is until it's like, so it's like, oh, this week, Will's bringing the guest, and we don't know who it's going to be. And can you imagine, or especially since you already worked with Jason,

this could be really fun. What would the reaction be, right? Yeah. When all of a sudden, I think this week Will brought Olivia Coleman. And I think that, like, and, you know, they always talk about, like, who's got a better list of, like, who's been on. So when it's like the reveal and it's like the Zoom window lights up and it's Gare Bear. But who's the, who's inviting him?

Because I think it could be really interesting if Sean invited him. Oh, because I don't have a very strong relationship with Sean. And you get to see the look on Jason and Will's face. I think you might recognize this next guest. Yes. And they would say coming up next. They would say next. Next. Next we have.

Next we have. Next we have. Next we have. No, but... And they would say, that's Gareth? What do you mean? Like, when you appear, they would say... So, Sean... Sean goes... And next we have, and that's a hint, right?

Yeah, that's the name of your show. Am I saying that, right? Are you asking or telling? Yes, it is next we have, yes. So you go, next we have, with a big hint to them. And then it's, from next we have, Garrett No, no, no

You don't say anything You're like You feel like you're not committing to saying my name Sean Well, no, no Because the reason is I think the way Sean would do it is say

He knows my name is Gary Next we have I think someone you'll recognize Open the Zoom window They say And then they're saying That's Gareth That's Gareth

Are they saying that When I did it Or are you saying in a way You have done the show or not? Hold on I got to touch to Sean Gareth Yeah are they saying that

I think there's definitely I mean look they'll edit it down to get you've done it so you think they will I'm talking to haste for me go ahead but you think the first cut their first reaction here will need to be edited no okay how will it appear like this okay

so do you want me to do are you you want a will impression no I think we were saying Sean would introduce oh so you're doing Will's reaction well let's have Will reacting I love a Will impression okay so and he's going to say next we have I saw you do a little head thing is you got into your

Sean yeah that all yeah there was that suggesting oh just that you have a physicality that you associate with Sean and it's I don't even know if I've seen him do no it's not something I've seen but this is how we find our

have you ever seen him host the show host the show smartless I haven't I haven't been on it have you Well, I think it would be fine to say that his head does a little jaunt when he's excited. And he's excited to introduce you because I'm a great... Because Jason and Will will recognize you? What about this?

What about this? Sean says, he goes, well, when I was, you know, I remembered last minute that I had to book a guest. I nearly flate season two. Yes. But next we have... I don't know if you'd say this season. Yeah. From next we have.

So, and how is both? want him to either. And how is Will reacting or at least how will it appear? You seem to want to do like how it will cut together. The cut together version, it'll be great. What will that sound like? I mean, I don't want to ruin it for anyone who might

So it is happening? I don't want anyone to not to be, I think it's worth listening to. What is? The reveal. On the show? Sure. Yeah. Great. Which has happened or is going to

happen? There will be evidence of it to, again, I really am not sure what's confusing. What's so confusing? What's so confusing? What's so confusing? There's they've so many episodes. So if you want to. They do have a lot of episodes, yes.

Are you, and you're on one of the episodes? Well, I'm worried to answer any of this stuff after the season two thing. Because I think the season two thing got you guys all kind of mucked up and my up. I don't want to find about it. Yeah. You know. Did you have a will

impression that you wanted to do for us? Well, I just feel like it's would not be, you know, now is probably not the best time. I'll do it. Okay. So you were saying what Whoa. Oh, he's saying, well, he's seeing you and saying whoa. Oh, whoa.

And that's because he knows your name. Well, I got fucking raked over the coals for my head. But he goes, oh, whoa. That's good.

I think that's a perfectly good impression. Good, yeah. Is he saying, whoa, because he knows he's supposed to recognize you? I would be, yeah. Is he buying time? Is he hoping that, like, someone else will jump at somebody else? Podcasting in general is the art of buying time. Wouldn't you agree with that?

This episode, yeah. You know, I, no. I think we're selling it, no way, that's mine. Well, I mean, look, you know. That's usually selling ad time, right? I was going to say I could do the ad ad as will. Let's beep the ad I could do the ad as will

You know Whatever You know Sure Whatever you want I mean I'm just saying So you didn't notice That we were kind of meticulously

Not saying the name of the Company We're gonna Beep that again Oh I shouldn't say it You shouldn't say it Yeah That's better for us

Yeah Oh Oh because You can make a little tongue-in-cheek joke generally about companies that are on the show. It's sort of absurd in a way that protects us. But when we actually say the name of the company, we end up in sort of a stupid situation. Yeah. Okay, yeah, yeah, that's great.

No, that's fine. Well, yeah. So, I mean, yeah, I don't need to say the name of that. But I mean, yeah. We bleeped it. Well, whatever. We can say it. It's brilliant earth.

The ethical gemstone company. Well, they're sourcing all of those gems. jewels are yeah like engagement they're so sourced you just look at them you're like this is they just swerge the fuck out of this yeah

yeah but um but anyway yeah so that's the smartless chapter okay and it has been written or it's a been a ride has yet to be written every chapter is open to addendums

especially in this book and you pointed to yourself when you said this book yeah yeah do we want to do so well I just want to be very clear again the whole thing

I'm sorry but the whole thing about the writers room that was just we've all been there and that's all I was trying to say and I think we've all been in writer rooms yes and I've been too if that's all you were trying to say I mean and I think and I don't want to give it I think it could have been accomplished in a much shorter time sure

but uh I don't care and I don't care what the credits I'm not talking about my credits I don't you know yeah oh me either I'm not gonna that's why I wouldn't tell you this season would be nice to ask I mean like since I got to do one and you got to do like 50. And there's more.

Yeah. Okay. I actually doubt that because I think we would have heard about it. There's more. I think we, I think you would. Deadbeat. I think you would have found time to, oh my God. What?

Wow. Again, just keep saying. What? That show. One season beyond when I thought it ended. That show, come on. Just keeps. Come on.

That's the best season. What if? It might be nice to ask Sean like, Well, I just would rather get this deadbeat conversation out of the way. That is a great season of that show. I thought we did. It might be exciting to hear for you. The conversation we've had about it already in my mind has lasted longer than I think deadbeat.

Sean, come on. That's not. Deadbeat that a lot of people needed to know. There's closure. You know, we're done, you know, not every show goes on forever. Sean, let's get the summer show like you were saying. Is that the Jonathan Ames? No, that was bored to death

Bored to death. Okay, so Deadby, I have to know it. Deadby was Tyler LeBean. Hulu. Don't say it like that. Hulu. Hulu. There's absolutely nothing wrong with Hulu. Hulu. No, not like you're lying about it.

Hulu plus even. Yeah. Hulu. Yeah. What is you, what is happening to your voice? What did we hear Tyler saying in your Wolf Lobby one time? God, I wish I could remember. I'm sure it's in an old episode.

where we quoted it right after. Yes, but we didn't say who said it. Just to ourselves rather than a person. We heard him saying something so good. We just. Oh, just one of the best conversations I've ever walked by where it was like, bro, I just finished filming this movie.

It was awesome. It was so good. It was such a great brag. Okay, so that's what Deadbeat is. I have a great one too. But yes, that's what Debbie was. Okay, you have a great what? Story about Tyler the mean

I'm sure I mean you must Like does the you should have more than one You had a whole third season with him Yeah I do there's more than one He came in for lunch twice Was that the last one? Was that the last season of Deadbeat? Do you know?

It was the final season Not the last one It's the final season The apex By choice So it was the final We're It was done

The show had said everything it needed to say about unfinished business in the realm of ghosts so it was yeah how they said it it's the unfinished business in the realm of ghosts that's mine that's your that was your contribution no just now but what a great way to bottom line okay yeah last season of arrest development last season of deadbeat last season of flake last season of year the worst the finisher I'm sorry I wrote on a season that never aired you want that sort of you're writing on the final season of some of these things that's a big ending that's been period on it yeah putting the period right on it but go ahead sean your credits let's hear him give me a show it's not they do you said he needed to

chase you know he said it might be nice to it might be nice to it's like not it's not it's like whatever he might not have even heard of it yeah i don't either you know i just think yeah it's whatever go in reverse order i guess so most recent sure that would be a normal way to do yeah and i'm writing for severance right now yeah severance great yeah so what yeah that's your okay no that's that's awesome i mean how are they uh yeah i know it's like any other show it's just no it's a great show i'm not trying i just hey say so was the rest of development early on the holes you know what I mean

like there's a lot of great show we were tasked with kind of wrapping it up okay first of all yeah don't do a high yeah yeah and who

and who know I mean like maybe severance maybe this will be the last season I don't know. Maybe they won't figure it out. Hey, bring me on. I don't know.

Bring me on to the proof. Yeah, well, actually, I know there's going to be another season because Gareth isn't there yet. Stop it. Don't make it seem like that. Yeah. No. You said that.

I guess there's going to be at least one more. How big is that room? It's like six writers. Ah, man. Yeah. No. Yeah. No.

But, yeah, no, that's great. That's really good. That's a great. It's a great show. I love the show. so yeah thanks yeah

Hollywood handbook would love to yeah just talk about it yeah I don't know oh did you bring it up because you want me to network I mean I didn't really if you think that's networking

like loving the show is not a qualification for like being on the show of course I loved these bound and down it was like my favorite show opportunity to write on it was so funny I cannot believe

I'm the favorite I had that we got away with 20 years Easy easy easy Did you say Not Rushmore Yeah Did you say that we got away with?

No some just some of the stuff on the show That was Okay I thought you said we I thought you were like Are you sort of The show and a We like just You know we at the time

But go ahead No I didn't I didn't write on it I feel like you Clearly I didn't write on Like are anticipating Like maybe something might get clipped And you might like within a clip, be able to represent

yourself as like, having been involved with as a writer of Severance. Like my friend Hayes wrote on. It was even funnier for me to watch it with Hayes knowing he'd done some of his stuff. Yeah. Oh, you could be like, yeah,

well, same with the rest of development. And any other shows, you know, any other projects that come up my way. Severance, a new season of Eastbound, or any of the other new stuff that I'm writing on. What was the most recent one? That a what?

What were you the most recent? whose questions I'm sorry you guys are kind of bombarding me it was like you were just looking into the camera I don't know that's just a way to clip if you hold on

some of these stuff some of this stuff can be clipped for socials oh okay if you want it but I don't know that's just a clean one to cut if you want to

I'll share it make me a collaborator go ahead the most recent when I when you asked me mine I went most recent so I was curious

you seem to have reached back a little bit for the most recent show that for the when you said you said you're the worst in arrest in season five seemed like you were reaching back

a little bit even Flake season two I'm sorry on aired season or what was the last year I'm sorry season it exists like out of time so like where do you know I guess there's that could have been last week

for all I know I mean it's not I mean it didn't yeah no it was that felt like it was last week to you hold on a lot of the decisions to you know felt like

at what he said that was last week. Whose question I'm supposed to answer? Because you both kind of asked me. I haven't spoken in a couple minutes. Someone had said something. Yeah, so I guess mine. Okay, so go ahead. It felt like it was last week that you wrote on the on-aird season of I'm sorry. That's a positive

I guess about the show. I'm just curious why that would feel that way to you. If they ever shoot it, if they shoot it, that'll be great. I mean, freaking COVID. Come on, change the whole game. It was COVID. Completely.

They didn't end up airing it. Shooting it. Because, oh, they didn't shoot it. Yeah. It was unshot and unaired. Yeah. Not unshot. You can't, you're making it seem like there's two albatrosses around the neck and there's

Right. So they both, but it is true that they both didn't shoot it and they didn't air it either. I haven't been putting myself out there for new projects. I wait until there's something that I think I want to work on and then I'm ready to work on it. You're talking several. I'm like, okay, if we're networking, okay, I'm listening. And if there's a new season of Eastbound or any of the stuff you're working on. But well, you just implied that you aren't working on severance now because you didn't put your,

you were having, I haven't submitted. So if Ben's listening to this, which he is, then he's hearing you, then he's, then he's hearing you say, oh, the only reason I am not on this show is because I wasn't interested. It was my choice not to be easier. Well, I would let him, I would hold on, I would let him know, first of all. that he shut it off he's a problem you know

I think he's probably pretty upset he's a really busy guy I don't even want to write on it he's a really busy guy I don't even want to run it I don't think he wants to use this time like listen to a okay so we listen until that moment I tune into my favorite podcast that's what I would shut it off when someone

I think he probably turned it back on and I'd like hold on I think he'd probably turn it back on right now and I would let him know that I'm not trying to network with him through the podcast I know I don't think he did And just for context, I think if he's turning this back on, I think it's a few years later when he's had time to, like, he's decided to revisit it.

Congratulations on a fantastic project. And I don't need to have been. So you think it's going to be over in like a few years? No. I think we'll talk about an endless opportunity. That's one of the things that if I were ever in that room, I would be pitching. You know, this whole, we've got such a great structure here in such a great world. We could play around so much.

let's just play and find it as a room. I'm not allowed to talk about it. No, and I can't talk. That's why I couldn't say what C's an arrest in development I wrote on. Keep going a little bit. Like, I'm actually curious about that pitch. I want to hear more. I can't really weigh in one way or the other.

I'm not really allowed to talk about it. I don't want to do it in front of Sean. I don't want to influence it. It gets so great. It was interesting. It's not up to me. You liked it? The only thing I know for sure is there's going to be at least one more season

because you haven't been brought. Well, what about, let's say the elevator gets stuck one day. Whoa. Where are they? Which world? That could be crazy. Even me reacting to it. Yeah, you don't have to, but I'm just, I'll move on.

Of course. It's probably one or the other. Or, or it's a crazy world. The elevator is stuck. Yes. Because they go from office world to real world. Yes, that's right. But stuck means stopped in between.

It doesn't mean in a new. But what does that do to their brain? They're in a whole. new zone now. Okay. What is this world? Maybe it's... Well, it's either the, as you said,

it's either office world or the outside world. I thought you weren't weighing in. First of all, you're weighing in for a lot for a guy. He's not going to weigh in. Well, he's just saying what the show is. Yeah, I know that. I'm allowed to clarify, I guess, what the show actually is. I think anything's possible. I don't think I can talk about anything that's upcoming.

Hold on. Hold on. Anything's possible. And that in between floor, it's a half of everything. Boy, you'd lose the trust of the audience if anything's possible. I'm not saying. can we do it, but it's a jumping off point. If I'm in the room, it's a jumping off point. So the elevator is not just stuck.

The door is opening onto well, we're going to go. And in between Florida has a crazy world. But the door is opening or not? What do you think? Again, so that would be something that could potentially happen in a future season. I'm not allowed to discuss that. I can tell you what has happened in sort of what the rules.

rules are of it? Sure, but would it open? The doors of the elevator have traditionally opened to allow people on and off. So tell Hayes. They would open. But would they open? In our pitch, he's asked what your pitch was. In our pitch, the door open. In our pitch, well, in the pitch that you and I have just kind of clarified, it was open. Yeah, it's not, yeah. So they're kind of in a half world, like the 13th and a half floor. And, okay. Being John Malcolmich. Yeah, that was actually, it's a reference to being John Malcolmman. Then that is what I interpreted it as used that that's, and that, and that, and that already, I had a

write on the show, but to me as a viewer, that's a huge trying to get his foot in the door. That's a huge problem. Yeah. No, I don't even, I don't like the epit. I would probably betray trust and also it's so derivative of being John Malkovich I know. I know, but I'm just saying as a job, I mean, you just literally. I don't mind

taking inspiration from something, but I think to just actually lift to just steal it. But it's already like an office show in a way that like, I don't think that's. Oh, I don't think it's like the office. I think there is an influence I don't think it's a little bit worn on its sleeve. Hey, Sean, I don't think it's like the office, though. I said it was a show.

Well, they work in an office. Yeah, but he said it was like the office. And I don't think that's right. Would you agree? I think that was actually the initial intent of the show that creator has said in multiple interviews that he was really inspired by the office. He loved the office and he wanted to do the sort of science fiction version. So you feel like he failed at that?

It's so well written. But you feel like his intention, he just like. Yeah, I actually see it. I see it. Of course, it morphed and took on its own life because he didn't tie it. that's what's great about it. Just trying to make a direct reference that's what's great about.

The way that gear pitch was, but I think that, well, I think that that's what's great about it. And, yeah, no, I don't even want.

Well, I love the performances. You know, I love the visual language of the show. Oh, my God. I absolutely think that.

But you think just, you think that stuff is not as good. No, the visual language is everything. Okay. It's not everything. It's not all of it.

Yeah. But if Ben is listening, which I'm guessing by now he has. The whole, all these characters have so almost a dialect. And it's an embarrassment of riches that show. There are a lot of good stuff. It's an embarrassment of riches.

And real quick, in the half, and they're stuck in the elevator thing, that's just a quick idea. I don't even think that would, again, that's just all the jumping. You're not married to it even being a pitch that you say out loud. That's, you know, extreme. But yeah, no, I don't, it doesn't need to be, it didn't, it doesn't need to be. I ain't got smart. Well. I think that, I think saying it is okay.

So you said, So you said, real quick. I agree to disagree, I guess, yeah. So you said real quick. There's common, there's a lot of common ground in all, the stuff we're all saying. And I think anyone listening, it's just nice to hear writers kind of chew the fat. Just hash it out. Hash it out a bit.

Yeah. Go ahead. There's how things get me. Yeah. somebody kind of has to be the decision maker and other people kind of well you just want as many you know it's it's helpful to have even a bad idea is a good idea even a bad idea is a good idea i hadn't heard i hadn't heard that well i mean it shows you what you don't want and sometimes that's helpful right you know that was what we did on on all the seasons of flaked but a good

idea shows you what you do want it's helpful and that feels really crucial yeah that feels it feels at the very least more helpful that's so crucial than a bad idea okay yeah so you agree but you said well these guys been in a room before he told us that all right told us literally every single one of his credit no i didn't what else idiot sitter idiot sitter season one and two okay two was just six so two is a sixer no six back two is just on those two seats so i'm just saying two is what i'm just if you're saying that I've I told you all my credits I'm not just sitting here spouting a resume and by the

way haven't even gotten to a movie rewrite I'm not even going to bring that up is it something that 3D Harold Kumar wow oh god you should get a mirror in here isn't he in it

yeah but uh well I don't think he would that's that seemed like it kind of made you nervous you don't want to get a mirror in here well he must have been on set and stuff I mean you wouldn't say that you rewrote was it was accredited it's a it

how crazy the business is so you wouldn't you wouldn't just put out there that you did an uncredited rewrite on 3D Harold Kumar Christmas when we have one of the stars of the movie right out in the other side he loves talking about it he knows he knows every facet

of the production like he's like a historic moment for him he was really hands on that whole production so if you were like lying or something about doing an uncredited rewrite on 3D here. That could be fun for you to come in and point to some of the lines that ended up on screen,

that you were involved with, that he could talk about, you know, what... There's been so much stuff. First of all, it's not a lie. He'd probably say names of, like, the executives that you would have been working with from a thing. God, that you'd be kind of... Yeah, but bouncing this stuff off of.

But you would admit, both of you would admit, we all would admit, having written on such, you know, on some juggernauts, that sometimes what you write is so, different than what ends up on the screen. Right, but it's like it's... You want to do the ad? Should we do it or no?

The ad from the beginning? Yeah, we probably need a little buffer between the episode of the ad. Yeah, yeah. Okay, go ahead. Sorry, I just want to... Okay, fuck, what were we even talking about? I don't remember. We were talking about you, you said that you had done an uncredited rewrite.

Yeah, all right, yeah, yeah, right, right. On what you called... Is it me you're here today? On what you called 3D Harold Kumar Christmas. A very Harold. Kumar Christmas in 3D. Okay. Okay.

There's been so many projects. Mm-hmm. Yeah. But no, that... That title must have gone through a lot, you know? Even in the time you were... Oh, yeah, yeah. Well, we kept changing the story, you know, to...

We as you and... Other people working on it. Writer. A writers. Okay. I mean, we know a lot of writers. There, anyone... I mean, like, Amir would definitely know them.

I don't think we should, look, right now, what are we going to do? We're almost, you know, the show's not going to go too much. Bring him in now. Then what's the show? Confusing. I mean, don't bring him in. You didn't seem to know. Don't bring him in.

Don't bring him in. Is that interesting? Don't bring him in. Don't bring him in. What is it about the, like, did you not like how it came? Were you resentful that, like, you didn't get a credit on it? Or did you, I mean, you, you. must have worked on it, right?

We don't need to even get... Look, I'm just... What I was speaking to was when I was accused of bringing up every project. Yeah. And there's even more. Okay. I'm not gonna bring them up.

Okay. This whole thing is not, you know... I just, you know, the severance part of it is I'm not even trying to bring that into it. Well, the popular show, it could be, like, helpful to bring it into... Yeah. People want to hear about it.

I fucking... Yeah. There's interest there for sure. I actually have to stay kind of hands off. As I would. By the way, if I were involved in that room as well, so would I. You would not have anything to worry about. Well, you had to drag out of me that I even worked on it.

You know what I mean? Well, same with me and arrested. So he was interested in what you had worked on. Same with me and arrested. Yeah. I'm not just going to offer that up. Was that the final Harold and Kumar movie as well? Do they do another one after that?

I don't even understand the who knows there's really no way they're probably gonna make more yeah right who knows like what's it's IP it's IP intellectual property they're not gonna like reach back

into the cattle for like some of these titles you just check the time yeah why what do you mean feeling done yeah you're done with what let's get a mirror in here Fuck it. I'm in. Now we're going to go.

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