Hollywood Handbook - Griffin Newman, Our Freakier Friend

Episode Date: August 26, 2025

The Boys recruit GRIFFIN NEWMAN to help develop an even freakier Freakier Friday.Get a Hat Pack Hat here!Watch the video of today’s episode at Patreon.com/HollywoodHandbook This is a Headgum podcast. Follow Headgum on Twitter, Instagram, and Tiktok. Advertise on Hollywood Handbook via Gumball.fm See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

This is a headgum podcast. You know it would be an even freakier Friday, though? I can't wait to hear this. Were you asking him? Yeah, sure. Yeah, sure. That Friday's pretty freaky, Griffin. I've seen freaky.

But you know what would be an even freakier Friday, though? Backpack kid, Shubbocker Mom. Hollywood Handbook. Shubakam Dropping off Backpack Kid at school By the way Just to say it

Before even get there And there's a little backstory You might need These two don't understand each other Backpack story I'm actually hoping to To Show the audience that

In the first scene Oh my idea Title card Title card? There's a title card over black In a world where they don't get each other. Okay, so you think in the movie, it should say, in a world. I think we got to start putting that into the film.

Because you hear people sometimes. In a world that they don't understand each other are these guys. Yes. And I'm just trying to figure out your canon here in this story. These guys were in this world. In a world where these guys don't understand each other. Yeah. There were these guys.

In a world. Summer, 2026. But this is still the movie, too. Yes. Yeah. It's summer 2026. Is that the time in the movie? Are you saying that's the time it is right now? It's both.

Okay. Now, are we saying that... I think it should be contemporary. Oh, this moment. This is a modern Shubacco mom backpack kid film. I don't want to do a period piece this time. So what if we flip it? First of all, absolutely.

What if we flip it? What if we flip it? What's one of the successful movies of all time? Star Wars. Go ahead. That one opens, wait. Go ahead. I'm going to run with this, okay?

Long time ago. galaxy far far away people are used to that it's old right we seen like it's so old it's from a long time ago it's so far away we can't wait yeah right let's localize it yeah let's start the movie right now right now right here yeah in a world where it's right now and right now a long to a right now ago right now right here very very close in a right under your damn ass fucking laugh go ahead reach both hands down and grip those ass cheeks you've got attached to the bottom of your back That's where this story is. Feel something for once.

Are we calling this? Would you finally just take ownership of your body? Yeah. The first thing it says is take ownership of your body. Okay. So let's, because we got a lot of stuff here for this opening card. So let's figure out the order. Right here ago, just now it's happening.

So that's first. Own your body. Own your body. Yeah. Oh, this is feeling so good. It's so movies. In a world where these two don't get a lot. long. And by the way, this is that world. Perfect for him. Uh-huh. This is perfect to talk about

with him. This is what I'm realizing is we just stumbled in that we wanted to talk about this anyway. Yeah. Just because I really think the Friday was not that. I'm sorry. The Friday that he mentioned. It was pretty, I was being nice by saying it was pretty freaky. But people like Trilid wasn't that freaky. I think they were smart. They could, they wanted to save something in the tank. They definitely gave themselves room to freak it up. All they said, was it's a freaky er Friday. That leaves us space to decide what the freaky-ist

Friday is. But I got to re-watch the first one. I don't think it was freakyer than the first one. It's a little freaky. I guess it was. It's a little freaky. I got to be fair. I guess it was. But I was expecting to be really, really freaky. That's where we come in. They're waiting for us to step up. Now, are we saying in this canon

that Shubaka mom is backpack kids' mom? Nope. Just take it. Just takes him to school. She just rides him to school. She just picks him up and drops them off. Shubaka Mom drop off backpack kid at school. Shubaka Mom, at least take the mask off.

Yeah. Where you're coming school? You don't like my mask? Baa, ma, ma. They're so different. Come on. Give the mask a kiss. She's so much about face and head.

And backpack kids so much about chest and arms. How could they ever? and he little and she big his best friend has to be damn Daniel because then we can get the feet in now we've got an entire body oh my god that's what makes it freakier all three of them

and our beloved characters have to be in it as well so it'd be five our beloved characters yes okay now I do believe and we all know this of course because we've seen it but I just want to remind us all that in Freakier Friday I do think it's four

And that's what made it free gear Right, they went from two to four So I think They did exactly what Mitro Patrick King did Yeah, what Mitro Patrick King And just like that he said We're doubling it up All WOC

And so for this one, yes They added Che Diaz And Sarita Chowdry Nothing but respect for Mike and Patrick Trull. Shea Diaz is available as well. Okay, because if you think about it,

they're a free agent now. And just like that, it's over. It's over. It just like that was. And do you know what's so perfect? Do you know what the Che is short for? Chewbacca. That's correct.

That's right. Okay, so let's load up our cast here. We got the four from Freakier Friday. JLC, Double L. Yep. Yep, two kids, right? Then we're adding Chapagabom, we're adding damn Daniel, we're adding backpack kid, we're at Che Diaz.

That's eight. That's doubled the freakier. It's gone from two to four days. And just like that, Sarita Sheldry's out of the movie. Well, I'm saying, can we go even a little freakier? Why stop it, eight? Okay. It can be a crowded car.

And Backpack Kid is doing the Backpack Kid dance in the car. In the car. So that's got to be a big car. he's taking up the whole row he's got to be able in the back he's back there swangin i was gonna say well they're re-releasing the astro van let's get chevy on the horn i i mean let's face it the modern economy of movies part of monetizing these things is finding partnerships that yeah makes sense yes for the story tell the story yeah i mean we're not you know inventing that the characters in the movie ride in a car no right that's already

in the script and what do we know about comedy it's specificity yes don't don't pass the ketchup past the hinds so so so so so don't do the backpack kid dance in the car you know what does the backpack kid dance in the Chevy astrovan what drives me crazy behinds dance people go oh my god pass the Cheryl oh barred cars get freaky with this as well products right these deals they're pushing these products I'm like if these characters were walking no one would be complaining oh what Did big legs pay for this movie? That is one of the most frustrating things is I see, I see characters walking all the time and no one attacks the movie for it.

And just like. And that's not specific. In the same way, when the Walking Dead became the driving dead, that was organic to the story that that happened. And yes, like, do they. Well, they're telling a tale of society. They're going to be driving cars. Does it not make money for the car?

that the driving dead are driving? Did did society itself not reach a point of cars from starting out walking? Yeah. Like, so now we're restarting society from, you know, this point that this, it's a reboot, that this truly horrible thing has happened in terms of all the monsters.

It was so awful. It's really sad. I have trouble watching it. I have trouble watching it. People have moved on from it. It's wild how people just don't even talk. The monsters to me are scary, yes, but they're victims. Those are cool.

I mean, those who participate in a system like this are victims just as much as the people who are being eaten by the monsters. And from a certain purview, you could say, are the humans the monsters now? Because maybe they've become... Boy, Griffin. The Walking Dead, they've become the rightful owners of this earth, and the humans are the ones, the endangered species, who are fighting their way of life. I'm saying, please don't take my brain. Boy, oh boy, are the humans actually the, what was it you said? The real monsters.

The real monsters. They're walking around with these guns shooting these innocent walkers. I'm going to fucking throw up. I don't think they are. Okay. Good. I could throw up because that's such a weird thing to say. I mean, the other guys are monsters.

Well, my friends are humans. The monsters I see on the show are acting. Yeah. with all respect very fucked up they look like conventional they have a very specific

lifestyle and they have a different set of beauty standards than certainly we maintain I don't buy into that okay speak on that all this some

different beauty standard stuff sure I think it's pretty queer right what looks good I just think sometimes I'm just like I'm speaking for myself here right sometimes I'm looking at a spooky scary creepy crawly monster mm-hmm and the teeth are like this and this claws and the neck is like this right and maybe like belly is open guts hanging out on the ground and I think to myself now would I want to look like that no that's not my style I don't think

be comfortable i don't think but what i want to look at that no i hate looking at it yeah but who's to say they're not feeling good when they look in the mirror that that's their truth so you're saying they can get it it's like the idea you're saying is that like the driving dead can get it i'm simply asking interesting do they get it are just a driving dead monster who want to giving sort of a self-empowerment to the driving down music video I guess is what we're talking about ideally yeah yeah yeah um I don't know I think there's only one beauty standard am I crazy it's just kind of a hot or not for you well look that website a lot of people realize is still active yeah and they've and they've and they've gathered a significant amount of data they've got a lot of They've got a lot, a lot, a lot of data. And just because there's only a few people, a few power users on there now, a click, you know, click is a click. We should be grateful for the time that they've been putting in to help figure this out.

Well, those people are experts at this point, you know. They're the ones who hung on and, yeah. Just because they all like snot coming out. Whatever. Just because they're trying to, whether or not. They like it. Whether or not they actually like it or they are trying to normalize a beauty standard where they're like, it's actually hot now to have snot gushing out of your nose all the time. Is lubrication and mucus glands not a part of sexual intercourse? Look, I log on to that side sometimes. He's the expert. That I say, you log on. You still have a functioning login. Okay, yeah. On hot or not.com. I log on and I look and I'm seeing this picture. I call, that's what I call getting hard. is logging on.

Log on, right? Get, yeah. Log on. I get a, let's get that log on there, right? Let's get that, let's get that wood going. I logged on the other day. I woke up. Me too.

Me too. Not bragging. I logged on the other day too. Logged on. Last week, in fact. Photo comes up. Hot or not. The central question of our time.

Right? And I'm seeing little kid, sherib-faced, short pants, blazer, red tie sitting legs spread out like this he's got a remote control in his hand and one big red button he's pushing it his head's exploding what

and I'm going now do I find that hot you saw that I did was a little kid remote control one button head exploding I fear that I fear that every time you're here somehow we end up describing

one of the garbage pill kids no I fear that it's going to be more than one by the end of this episode. I didn't start this. We were just talking about these shifting standards of how popular mucus is. And I'm realizing I'm looking back and I'm going like, wait a minute. In my mind, the beauty standard has been so fixed and immutable. And then I go, I guess back when the garbage pale kids ruled the airwaves, as it were.

Was a bit of a sex symbol. It's true. And one of them is blowing his own head off with a remote control. Definitely exploding his own head. He's explaining his own head. He's pushing the button. One might be unzipping his skin and stepping out of his skin, just his sort of meat body. You might have a guy who plays the trumpet, but not from his mouth, from his butt.

Yeah. The farts from the bud are the air pushed through the trumpet to make a little root two music. Okay. That is what I would expect. from a kid that belongs in a garbage pail. And it's a variation on a traditional kid marching down the street. The bugle boy.

Sure. Right? Yeah. It's kind of a new spin on an old classic. The kid is blowing his own head off with a remote control. Well, he's got the remote and he's trying to launch a missile. Like the second thing that he said.

He did describe his legs as being sort of spread eagle. I didn't paint the thing. I'm just describing it. He's pushing the button. It's like he's going to launch a nuclear warhead. Who knows where? And to his great surprise, it seems like it was planted in his skull.

Well, he doesn't even know. What's his name? I always thought that they were reveling in these sort of, you know, atrocities that they committed. So when you say he was trying to launch a bomb somewhere else and it blew his head off, that's not,

that is not, Certainly the psychology I had endowed the garbage bail kid with, which is they, they want to do something disgusting, something shocking, something taboo. That's me putting my narrative on him. And so, yeah, I think that, you know, you said to his surprise or maybe even his chagrin, I can't recall precisely, but I think it was very much by design. To his delight. Yes, yes. It's A-D-A-M. Yes, Adam. Adam. Adam. Adam-B-B-B-B-B. But every card has. had a chase well let's hear your page oh yeah you give it to me Adam Bob yeah yeah and I said and the Adam was spelled eight it was spelled ADAM yeah so if you got the rare card it was that's better than mine on it what was your pitch Adam John Adam John we're losing a little bit was that and it was ADAM explosion it was two D's for some reason like the Adams family two ADD AM two ADD AM J-O. I am.

Adam John, maybe with a B at the end. J-A-W-N. Because the B is silent. J-A-W-N. Yeah. Wow. Okay. And I'm realizing that's so bad when you realize Adam Baum is like...

It's got a couple things going on. It's still a name. Now, do you recall the alternate name? Billy Blasted, not as good. Yeah. Yeah, that's better than ours. It's better than my alternate name. My question is.

Billy John. Billy John? That was your alternate name? Unfortunately. So his main name is Adam John with two D's J-A-W-N. But then the other pitch is that, yeah, it would be Billy John. And how we spell in those bad boys? Ah, gosh.

I don't even know if I got that far. never wrote it down it's oral tradition yeah it's a moral tradition that'd be a good name for a garbage bill that is good mm-hmm hollywood handbook rocket raccoon needs to buy stuff at the store pay for things what does he use his tail oh sorry no his tail I'm just thinking about a raccoon very prominent feature right They have a very bulbous tail. But he wouldn't use that for money. They swipe it through the credit card machine.

There's a, and he's in a, it's a science fiction sort of space world that he's in. Maybe there's a chip implanted the end of his tail. It's like our credit card chip. Okay. Brushes that over the, I mean, is this a cool idea to you? But the currency, sure. Yeah, obviously, like he could still, he can use his tail. He could use a chip in his tail.

But the currency he would use would be rocket money. The money is, yeah, the money's rocket money. It would be rocket money. He's rocket, no, no, no, no, no, no, obviously, obviously. He uses rocket money. He uses rocket money, which shoots out of his tail. It's a personal finance app that helps find and cancel your unwanted subscriptions. And so he would probably have rock, I don't want to use any of the brand names.

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Chronomax Chronomax Perfect So that's what ours are like So maybe theirs would be more Normal words And it would just be called like

Rocket They'd be called like milk or something Something normal Yeah The streaming platform there Would probably be called milk But they think milk is crazy Salt

Salt Well Anyway he would cancel He's crazy He's going on adventures for a long time. And so he's... Salt's a bad example.

Can I try a guess? Yeah, sure. Yes. Go ahead. Just one more, please. He's canceling a subscription to this. We're going to name it in a second because he's going on a long adventure to monitor to monitor his spending and help lower his bill so he can grow his saving.

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I worry we're going to have two characters that have the mask and the backpack. This is interesting, right? Because in the Freaky Friday universe, they switch bodies. And obviously, when they switch bodies, they're stuck wearing whatever clothes the other was wearing just moments ago. But they do technically have the power to take those. Just be like, can I have that's, wouldn't you just, if you switch bodies, when you'd be like, that's my backpack. Can I have that while if you give me my mask first? Yeah, right mask on.

can I just talk about something that I think is going to be really important for us it's going to seem like a detour but in terms of we have to write the script yeah how do you want to describe the version of the character after the switch do you know what I mean yeah so there's at the beginning of the film we'll have shubacama um and backpack kid then later we'll have backpack kid but with the internal mind personality yes um Shubakama, possibly with the mask as well. Yeah. But just from sort of a stage direction, you know, just character, title when they go to speak and dialogue, I think it's worth spending a little bit of time.

Do we want to go determining the nid and backpacked mom? Because who is Shubaka Kid in your mind? Yes. Casting wise? No, no, no, no. What drives him? Yes, no. No.

Sorry. when you said the name Shubaka kid. Yeah. Who are you picturing physically the kid with Shubaka's mind? Or were you picturing Shubaka mom with the kid's mind? I'm going to be really honest with you guys right now because I think you deserve nothing less. When I said that, automatically what I was thinking of was back. kid

whose body now possesses the mind of Shubaka mom and he has swapped with her so he is now wearing the Chubaka mask on his kid

face let's go with that this is blink this is blink in action right now like we're telling them right because if after the swap

you're writing dialogue and you're just writing based on which body they're in the body's is going to have a hard time keeping track there's a reason you thought

that. Right? It's not like No accidents. Let me just turn up. My phone's vibrating a little bit. Let me just turn it on. And I'm realizing if we don't do that, if we put Shubaka mom's mind in backpack kid's body and especially if

this is why we have to figure this out. We have to figure this out. Especially if mom body backpack mind takes the backpack then we're just going to have backpack kid with no backpack and no mask backpack mom right and then and not and not dancing right they have to swap it has to be backpack mom and shubaka kid yeah however i think people want to see shubaka mom doing the backpack kid dance

yeah wearing the mask on i 100% agree i think she needs to have the mask on now i don't know if we get two masks or what we do and that's obviously some kind of security blanket for her. So I understand why Shubaka kid would want to put it on. But look, you saw, right, in the opening scene, that little bit of conflict. We described it. Yeah. And we also saw a little bit of like him saying, can you take the mask off to her? Yeah. Yeah. Now he'd be wearing it. People will be suspicious. You're not yourself today, backpack kid. You're wearing the mask. You always want Shibaka mom to take off. No, you're right. Let's go back to the. original text here, right?

I decided it was actually kind of cool. Hey, this is cool. But here's what I think. I think, oh, yeah, I'm making fun of that old bag. This is how I, because this is, I mean, what she sees from backpack kid, right, is that she perceives this level of cruelty almost from him when he's asking about that he doesn't understand the mask. And I actually think in a way it would be more believable probably to his peers,

damn Daniel, et cetera. here's a question that it would be done in jest when he says damn daniel who is that that's a really good question i mean right now i'm thinking radcliffe i got to be honest what i got to be please stop doing this he's always cast it please you have to stop you have to stop casting cart before the horse i just i'm i get excited putting some names together and starting to just tabulate you know the foreign sales value it gets me all charged up and I worry

that people have been telling you to stop casting and you think that means stop podcasting but it actually means stop casting movies in your head I'll tell you what's tough about it and also stop podcasting

when you say it out loud in the oral tradition it's impossible to tell if they're saying castin or they're saying apostrophe C-A-S-T-I-N-G you know Like if it's written out I can tell

oh they're saying podcasting in a cool way Right Because it's starting with that apostrophe right there They're just dropping the pot Out loud I don't know Billy John

What was I thinking And that's my livelihood I can't stop I'm so disappointed I can see I'm so mad at myself They changed the alternate name To Billy

You wanted to keep Some aspect of the original one I thought well I know mine's good But now as I'm like Working through it It's like no it was There was nothing I shouldn't have been so eager to salvage a piece of my original one.

I should have really been willing to go. You were trying to compromise. When they were pitching Billy Blasted, you're like, okay, we need to work some of that in. But like, I can't, we cannot, I can't come out of here with nothing. Maybe we can combine them, but I'm just mad at myself. What if we take another stuff with this? I really am. What if we start, what if we go back and start from Blasted and build off of that?

What if Blasted's the thing we're carrying over? Adam blasted. Flavored? Oh. Well, yours, I mean, if we're preserving, I'm just going off of the, I think, to preserve some of yours. Yeah, and I'm realizing that goldfish would be pretty upset with me if I did that, right? Is that not the spirit of the garbage bell kids kind of thumbing your nose at the corporate

out of the corporate America? I don't know flavor blasted for just the name of a guy who a kid is going, and also like he's blowing his own head off. So then we're saying like that his brains are. flavorful or maybe it is maybe flavors are coming out maybe instead of just a kind of if he's eating it if he's eating the exploded brains yeah of his own head you're seeing chunks of parmesan how just give me give me like the the blocking of this where he's pushing the button leg spread legs short pants leg spread and he's just kind of like that's kind of what i'm dealing

Kevin told me I had to pull my leg down for the corks. I guess I'm showing everyone my body. He's holding the blasting us. He's holding. I'm going right after this to a event. Yeah. He's holding the button in one hand and pushing it with the other. Yeah.

Now, and his brains are coming out of his head. Now you need him to be eating pieces of it as well. Yeah. And what is a single frame. I think there's potential for a hologram. I think there's a potential for. cheat to me. I'd like you to try and get it at the one frame if you can't.

Okay. He doesn't like how he doesn't have to be. Oh well it's garbage field kid he has two more hands. Okay. One hand out here holding the remote one hand pushing the button one hand catching a piece of brain the other hand popping a piece of brain into his mouth so you and it's from the radiation those the extra two are glowing

he just grew them. Yeah and maybe it's a glow in the door card from the radiation. Maybe it's a glow in the dark car. heart, a glow-in-the-dark hologram. Single frame. Yeah. But let's really... But it's a hologram. So it changes, but it's to the same thing. It changes to the same. Mm-hmm.

Changes to be not glow-in-the-dark. Yeah. One side is glow-in-the-dark. Pitch black. For daytime. There's a daytime, one. There's a daytime, nighttime. And he... Well, what makes the hologram change is just the light shifting on it. Right. Right. So the fact that it's changing from glow-in-the-dark to not is a really interesting. technology yeah that's good stuff so freaky friday they switch bodies right and immediately they're

like this sucks i hate this and they go straight to dressing up the way they're used to dressing up yeah and then lindsay lohan and jami lee curtis each other and they're like what what have you done with my body you can't dress like that you're making me look like a fucking clown that's not how i look my friends my co-workers my teachers they're going to notice something wear that jubaka mask is a miss. So that's where we're getting into. I think this is a feature, not a bug, right? This is core tension of, hey, my identity is I'm a mom.

I wear the mask. God, this is such a powerful message. Because as much as I love both of these figures, she's more than the mask. Well, that's what she has to learn. He doesn't need the backpack to be him. He could do that dance. They're going to start out. you know what and what so what about this yeah what oh oh so he's got so so my man is sitting

on something juicy oh so now i'm about to get adam bomb my head blasted open by what's coming our legs are out okay we're ready we're ready so they we established in the in the title card yeah that these two in a world where they don't see there's friction there these two guys are there yeah right yes and we then we saw them kind of have it out over the mask and the dance she didn't like the dancing either i don't think not her stuff too showy and then they switch and then they say like you can't wear that like i'm supposed to wear a backpack i'm supposed to wear a mask so they are in their traditional garb yeah okay so now shubaka mind backer backpack body is at school and so now she has the backpack teacher says where's your homework

um it must be my backpack she opens the backpack for the first time she being shubaka mind kid body what was in the backpack the entire time literally the entire time shubaka mask she thought this whole time the kid the kid didn't like it literally the entire time that was in the backpack he hates the mask but it's actually was in the backpack even when he had his own mind the mask had been in the backpack yeah and because he actually did because he actually did like it he loves in the back there's nothing else nothing else okay and then of course like naturally she was hey's i'm right that is so touching there's nothing else and he's been getting in trouble because he hasn't

been doing his homework because literally the only thing in his backpack the entire time is the shubaka mask has been the mask so anytime uh the teacher says did your homework the backpack kid has to say oh I forgot in reality he did do the homework but it couldn't fit in the backpack because it was so important to him to have this to have the shabaka mask with him to honor and this is he actually did like it the whole time this all starts earlier issue because two masks that way we get to see both characters wear the mask which is what we want. And on her

and on her original mask on her original mask I think there should be sort of an Arthur Miller-esque set of steps to the backpack kid dance. I was about to say this is feeling very Miller. You know what I mean? Arthur Miller-esque. Yes. No, what's the name I'm looking for? Arthur. What's the dance

gentleman? Arthur Alvin Ailey maybe that's right well it's Arthur Miller S just because it's great writing but I am trying to remember the name of that the famous dance Kevin what's the dance academy that was

Murray Arthur Murray Arthur Murray Dance Studio thank you it's like Arthur Murray I believe that is what maybe they're not associated but they would have this or Arthur DW Dance Challenge I think Arthur Murray is what I was thinking about and they and they've got the so inside the mask she was always looking at the steps to do the dance so I think I want to kick the tires on something that I may

have dismissed too quickly okay and it could have an impact on the budget uh-huh but it might be worth it because the story should have a timeless feel yeah is it a period piece yeah yeah it's got be is it a period it's got to be and i'll tell you why because right now what we're coming up with this is a story of this moment and the nature of movies is sadly we're not going to get this thing out in theaters today yeah there is no chance we get this script honed tight as a drum to the standards i know we demand for ourselves i'm still not clear on how to even describe the characters we get this thing cast finance i know you said i'm always casting too quickly but we're gonna have to do that at some point get it finance get it rolling in front of cameras do a couple

passes in the edit do the mix the color timing people on the horn by the time the movie comes out it's going to be old news so the movie has to be set today because that's where this is coming from in an honest way but we have to shoot it period we're gonna have to remember period for today as much about today as we possibly can because we're gonna have to rebuild it later there's light over there there's grapes on the table Kevin suggested one too many dance academies got a new hat well one was like a dance challenge yeah it just felt like he really veered off after we'd already gotten the answer by the way just for other listeners me saying arthur miller when i met arthur murray that's wabi sabi that's wabi that's wabi and also we're very important aspect of wabi

the japanese side concept wabi it is both too though you were right in both cases it is arthur miller because it's good it's good fucking it's just good it's just good it's just good fucking writing. It's good writing. Yeah. That shit. And that was period for today. That was.

In a way. Period. That was on period. Yeah. You know what other part of Arthur Miller? I wouldn't mind us copying in this project. Oh my God. I think I know what you're going to say, but go ahead.

Getting cucked by Joe DiMaggio. Exactly. Can you imagine? Such an honor. Got to feel incredible. That could get, I mean, like, even if you're not into that stuff, right? There's a guy out there who getting just like really cucked.

A real honor. By have you, you'd be like, okay. Okay, I'm in another category. I could get used to this. I'm getting cut by him. Yeah. That's placing a value on me.

Wow. Nice work if you can get it. Yeah. I'm even going to correct you a little. When you said, even if you're not someone who's into that, I don't think such a person exists. I think there are people who don't know that they're into it yet. That's it.

I think in your mind, they just haven't found the right guy. Not my kind of thing. This is like the beauty standard thing we talked about before where I actually thought. Yeah. There's only one. What I learned throughout the course of this podcast, which is why these things are so important. Their journeys.

Is that? Their exploration. No, actually, the garbage pill kids used to be pretty hot. They were pretty hot. They have fallen a bit out of favor, but it's all cyclical. It is all coming back. Yep. Yeah.

Yeah. Everything old is new again. Yeah As is, titty's, abs, you know Everything mold is hair Everything, everything mold is P-U again Yeah, I was going to say goo But I think P-U also works

Everything mold is goo again Yeah, everything mold again Yeah, yeah Either one, maybe that's those are the two cards One is P-U, one's P-U So this is-U again Ew You, everything mold is ew again

It's the third card maybe, the hologram Yeah, maybe we can get that on a hologram one that's sort of a hidden track god remember albums rubber buying seat he's a hidden track remember you leave it playing and then the song would come on these kids listening won't even know what i'm talking about we should do that for this we should do that for this right now we should just stop talking for a little while okay and then start the last six or seven minutes of the episode can be a hidden track yeah and It's going to be really funny if you can be really funny.

So you have to really wait. We just don't do it. We don't do it. No, I don't think we should do it. I can't imagine doing it. I think we just say that it's there at the end. But that's the new version of the hidden track really is having because you can see the time codes and such. Yeah.

That wasn't the case back when you would get the album. You get surprised by the song coming in. This is interesting because the hidden track, such a rich tradition, but it was always hidden. in the same place the end of the album right they weren't telling you on the liner notes but it was always hidden at the same place this guy's freaking bean is on to something come on now lay it on me he's got a new idea what if we make a hidden track for this episode but we put it somewhere else in the middle or somewhere else on a different podcast a totally different podcast yeah totally different podcast oh and that's the one we don't do that's the one we don't we combine

your idea with hayes idea so your idea is to put it Somewhere else. Somewhere else. It's great. And then we don't do it there instead of not doing it on here. And then the Hayes' idea of not doing it. Yeah. With those two.

It'd be so much easier to not do it on another show. So subversion. Pressure off. You guys. Sex pistols. Yeah. Like, yeah. It's so sex pistols.

Yeah. Hollywood handbook. Hollywood handbook. Well, if we're, if this is period for today. Yeah. Stuff that's happening right now and what we're, like leading up to for the crescendo is you have a screening that you're doing tomorrow night later more days away from today tomorrow night later oh wow yeah a couple tomorrow nights from

now uh okay and it's a screening of as you said hud sucker the hud sucker proxy you said hudsucker like you're friends with the movie it's kind of familiar he's actually friends with the movie I just call him Hudsucker. I just call it Hudsucker because this movie's my friend. Yeah. And so maybe they're going to that, and that's going to be like the big show. It got to be somewhere where they're both wearing the mask and they're both doing the dance. Oh.

So is there an opportunity for them to be doing that? What's your hosting this? Yeah. What are you going to do exactly? What's the worst thing that could ever happen when you go to see a movie in a theater? To me? Catch on fire. Oh, no.

Light goes like this. Right, in the theaters, everyone's just sitting there, wrapped house, lights come up. What? Where's the movie? Right? Uh-huh. We reveal that Chubbacah Kid and Backpack Mom were in the projection booth. I'm so glad he went first on what the worst thing is that could happen when you go to a movie theater.

Just to say it. This is like the Garbage Pale Kid all over again. My answer was going to be nothing else. You don't think it was as good as that? Or not as bad as that? Yeah, which one? Better or worse? You don't have to say exactly what it is.

It could just be different. But what was the issue with your suggestion? Not a severe enough harm? something very specific to you? As I think back, it had nothing to do with going to the movies. Okay. You know what I mean? I'm not sure.

So the prompt was what's the worst thing that could happen in a movie theater? And your suggestion was going to be something that now you realize has nothing to do with going to the movie, something that could happen in a movie theater, but is not conditional on being in a movie theater? or a thing that maybe couldn't happen in a movie theater fundamentally. Well, that's what I'm asking? Because in a certain way, you're like, what's the worst thing that could ever happen in a movie theater? You're on a plane and it crashes. That would be an example of something that has nothing, not only has nothing to do with being in a movie theater, is actually resetting the location entirely. But we have to agree.

It would be terrible. That would be terrible. I mean, I guess I'll just tell you what my answer was, which is that your parents fall out of love with one another. which certainly could happen in a movie theater i mean it could of course yeah of course yeah i guess they'd have to be there at least one of them he said the worst thing that could happen to you in a movie theater and your parents fall out of love and they could be somewhere else yeah but you're in the movie theater when it is you don't think you feel that happening you don't think you feel that you feel it my pitch i guess there was more of a universal you it's that the whole

everyone in the theater, all these strangers, they're unified by your desire. I already said your pitch was better. I didn't. I already said that. Listen, I said I was glad you went first because I don't think my answer was that good. I think there are elements of what you're pitching that could work in this story.

But now I'm thinking of his pitch. Maybe the way one of them reacts to the fire makes the other one sort of get the ick. But I, but mom gets the ick from dad. No, no, no. I want to come back to yours because like his pitch is like the movie burns up I understand this thing is like he loves movies of like he sees that

happen and that's his friend he's friends with the movie yeah it hurts a lot of his fred is fred burned up and died my friends in pain yeah but like to everyone else yeah that's just a movie and we just go home and we watch it like for free on TV whenever we want yeah you know so like the fact that you think that's the worst and there have been like horrible things that have happened in shooting and movie things Yeah, and so when that happens, were you like, well, at least the movie didn't burn up? I mean, look, it's a small consolation, but it is a consolation. Jeez.

It doesn't solve everything. I mean, I think his pitch is better. His pitch might be better. That's terrible that that happens. It's terrible. I mean, I was going to. Because there was love there at one time. Right.

My pitch was going to be that because. But people grow and change. There's no film that Chbock did. What if the movie was almost over? Backpack mom have to. get in front of the projector light and they do like a shadow puppet of the backpack dance both wearing the mask and the whole point is the audience is like oh i thought they caused the they did and they're trying to make up for it how did they do it just from the friction sparks they were lighting

up dubs they were lighting up dubs together now which one of them is doing that before maybe neither of them they're turned in opposite direction in order to cope with the stress that having switched into a new body they're both keeping the habit secret from each other and they're like hold on one second i just got to check something out over here and they turn in opposite directions to smoke secret dubs that creates a kind of like speaking of the stress of them switching bodies and I think this connects to the dubs our sponsor they should be drinking drug soda by the way oh sure what we promote drug soda drug soda is one of our biggest advertisers so the carbonation is what fucks with the projector I don't know so we so something that I think we're going to

be probably shy about dealing with but we may need to is in most of these movies people are not transferring across gender yeah yeah i think there is we got an opportunity today a responsibility we do we must yeah to address the different parts that the people have of the body yeah i mean the different Imagine how unifying a scene of each of the characters both having to pee at the same time and not knowing which a bathroom to go to. I mean, I'm even just thinking, look, we come up with a lot of really interesting dramatic stakes for this story, but we do want this to be a comedy, right?

And obviously, it's easier to build the bones of a drama and then put jokes on top of it because the story's got to have its own motor. It's science fiction and science fiction is an incredible opportunity for allegory. Absolutely. an incredible opportunity for allegory. And comedy, of course, is the sugar that allows us to sort of tolerate the medicine. And it's going to come from a place of truth. We built the characters, honestly.

Comedy. Yeah. You know, that has a, you know, a nice sugary allegory. Yep. That kind of thing, I think, could really put an end to this whole, you know, country being mad thing that I'm starting to see really bubble up. just highlighting just the whole

absurdity of it or how serious it is or that it's very serious or that it's like absurdity I almost said it with you and I immediately wanted to say well it's not absurd

unless it is unless it's like so absurd or possibly how important and how serious the conversation is here's a moment I'm picturing now

it's coming to me and I can see it in the trailer it might be the button at the end of the trailer, right? And this is a moment where I could truly see. Speaking of the button, I could see this movie, this moment quietly unifying everyone where they go, what are we even mad about, right? Which is kind of what the story's about.

We want them to be like, why didn't we like each other? The drug soda does that. We actually have a lot in common. We both like the drug soda. God, the drug soda tastes so good I'd drink it as just regular soda without drugs. That's right. You tell me, I'm just saying a line. The drugs are just a bonus.

Wow. I thought this was just regular soda. I do it for taste alone Backpack kid Wakes up and Shubaka mom body Right? What's this? What's the bedroom I meant? This is weird Gets up, looks in the mirror

Ah! Right? What's this mask doing here? Start feeling like this And then goes, wait a second. Major League Yabo Waboobos Looks down, looks up, looks to camera Cox and eyebrow goes I could get used to this. Pulls down the shade of the camera

Louise, hold all my calls. I could get used to this. Time to log on, you know. And this is a moment where people, they're laughing. And then they go, wait a second, what's my political affiliation? Yes, that's right. Yeah. Who did I vote for again?

Because everyone can get on board for this. A young gentleman getting to sort of explore the pleasures of his own yabba waba from that body. And I genuinely don't know. And I think we should research this. Like we would want to talk to women or anything like this. But if we can get some women to talk to us, that would be ideal, I think. If you have the mentality that you enjoy yabobobos,

because you are a teenage boy who in this case is heterosexual, we can also talk to backpack kid about how comfortable he is with this. If you are that, and you are sort of exploring that, you're not able to log on as we said right so then so then what do you do that's the seriousness of it right what do you do with that energy he has nothing he has nothing to jack off that's the right he has major league gabbo-wobos this is where i need to talk to a woman because i don't know what else you would do there that energy there was time now yes right yeah his glass mered his glasses are broke it's the twilight zone it's the twilight zone time

Yes, there was finally time. There was finally time. The end of that episode where he's just left one man standing in a pile of setafil. He's got all the moisturizer he could ever need. Finally time enough at last. And he drops his pants. And he goes, what is it? What am I supposed to do with this?

Yeah, he has no idea what's down there. I don't know what's down there. I thought I had a little. Looking at a different part, looking at his leg. What's going on now? Maybe it's down here. scratching his heel. Where's it behind me?

Yeah. He keeps like just turning himself around, reaching behind his back, spinning. And there's so much set of a little. It's like a dog chasing his tail, yeah. And it's nothing to do with it. Bye. Hollywood Hamburg. That was a hit gum podcast.