Hollywood Handbook - Introducing: Never Heard of Them

Episode Date: May 19, 2022

Enjoy this un-paywalled episode of Never Heard of Them! A music chat show on The Flagrant Ones Patreon hosted by Ahsohn Williams and Jacob Wysocki.On today’s episode, Ahsohn and Jacob discuss what tunes they’ve been chewin’ on and chat with their buds Sean Clements and Hayes Davenport. The Boys talk about what they’re currently listening to, their music histories, and why they can’t get into shoegaze.Songs played: “Cigarettes and IPAs” by Blind Fury “Five More Minutes” by Scotty McCreery “Birth Plague Die“ By Trash Talk “Over” by Sore Eyelids Hear more episodes of Never Heard of Them at Patreon.com/TheFlagrantOnes.And follow our playlist of the songs played here!See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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slash the flagrant ones and check out never heard of them season, go to patreon.com slash theflagrantones and check out Never Heard of Them on the bundle tier. Thank you so much and enjoy the show. I've never heard of them. I've never heard of them. I've never heard of them. I've never heard of them. I've never heard of them. I've never heard of them. What's up? What's up?

Hello, and welcome to Never Heard of Them. What's up? What's up? Hello and welcome to Never Heard of Them. I'm Jacob Wysocki. I'm Ahsan, the DJ. What's up, everybody? What's up, everyone? For those of you that have maybe never heard the pod before, this is a pod about talking tunes.

Me and Ahsan, we listen to some music. We talk about what what we've been listening to what we've been chewing on for the week we have guests on and they talk about their musical uh interests and genres that they may not circle much and we try to expose them to that genre then we play a little game and we go home. Everybody goes to bed. Conch, chew, conch, chew, conch, chew. We go to bed immediately after this. Yes. Strict bedtime. Did I nail that? I feel like I nailed it.

I think you nailed it. I think you did a great job. You have a great radio voice. Do you have any addendums? No. No addendums. Nothing to add. No new notes.

No new minutes. Okay. Yeah. I think we're good. We're caught up from last week. Cool cool up for re-election yeah what uh what have you been uh chewing on this week you want to get right into it you know ask me how i am first oh excuse me how are you hey i'm good and uh you sound a little congested i'm even better because i'm about to crack into a liquid death you know you're one of those guys.

I'm cracking in. I'm a true hardcore fan. I drink liquid death. It's my favorite water. It's the best water of liquid deaths out there. If they're listening and they want to send me a case, you know, you can at me. But I'm living my life. I've got my liquid death.

Everything's good. Are you are you wearing Mu thai shorts as well right now yeah yeah my ears are cauliflowered i've taken uh an absolute beating in the nft game and my tesla won't charge yeah damn hard life it's tough it's tough just really want liquid death to send me a crate i'll drink in a bottle an episode are you uh are you drinking the the still one like the flat one or the flat flat one yeah i'm not fancy like that yeah i don't really get into sparkling water i

don't really see the point just give me that good spring water with a high TDS. You know? What is TDS? Total Dissolved Solids. Oh. Yeah, that's how you know it's good. It's got the real minerals. Oh, you want that to be a high number? Yeah, it's typically better if it's high. Yeah.

Okay. All right. What can I say? I'm a water guy. Liquid death. And I am a little nasally. I got a new couch, and the warehouse fumes have really set off my allergies in a negative way. Did you pop in a leggy today? Claritin D, dude.

I'm on meth. I'm on meth, baby. I'm on a meth precursor. Let's go. How are you, man? I'm good. I did not get a new couch. I'm the same old dusty,y couch um what else i'm good

though otherwise man i can't complain just hanging in there thank god thank god it's sturdy he's my voice sturdy i'm sturdy i got strong knees i can drop it low i will not waver i will not uh quiver i got this i've been worried all week that you wouldn't be sturdy yeah i'm sturdy though i'm holding in there i'm like i'm like an antique table i'm just i'm solid yeah well we you know we we did good there yeah we did a great job we did a great job i'm just gonna compliment myself this entire episode i think maybe that'll be my runner sometimes you gotta hype yourself up baby no one else is gonna do it for you great job guys cool thanks um let's get into what we've been chewing on huh yeah let's do i think i sent you the most amazing song that's ever been written in in the world yeah i think i sent you a

it might as well be a hymn it should be a forever song right uh so I remembered uh you sent me the song by blind fury I remember this guy he was on American Idol right no so I sent you cigarettes and IPAs by blind fury It's a country song. Right. But Blind Fury, maybe he was on that, but he rose to fame through 106 and Park. Oh, as a rapper. He was on Freestyle Fridays. That's right. And he was right a truly prolific freestyle rapper and that's where i heard about blind fury yeah and if i followed that career

since like 2011 or whatever and now he's always like repped that he's from south carolina lu goff he's always been kind of a southern bumpkin type but now he's making freaking country music and it's pulling it's breaking my heart is it you know what i liked it i i'm a sucker i'm a sucker for that kind of country too uh-huh like the sort of like the you know the uh the on purposely kind of like a little bit of sappy kind of like tugging at the heartstrings there's some awareness yeah i like it i like that genre of country i don't like country that takes itself way too seriously no and i think like i think he knows what he's doing yeah that makes sense i think he knows like i'm gonna make some commercial yes fun country music yeah i like that i wasn't i was into it man it just gets me in

my feels you know yeah it's just one of those things that's like this is one of those songs where you're like oh whoops i drank 12 beers you know what i mean yeah fuck um i'm gonna pitch you a song i'm gonna pitch you a song based on this song i'm gonna put you in the the never heard of them hot seat okay uh if you like this you should listen to a song called five more minutes by scotty mccreary he was on american idol i think one of those yeah and he that song is really good mccreary it's all about like oh yeah is he the low voice guy yes yeah i remember good old mccreary dude yeah the height of american idol back when it meant

something back when it mattered i'm more of a justin guarini guy but i'm not gonna hold you i mean you know i'm a ruben dude i'm ruben all the way sorry for 2004 we should have a whole season where we just do american idol and nobody listens so what american idol season have you been chewing on us on that'd be sick there has to be an american idol pod out there already but if there isn't we should start it i guarantee you there's too many how many is too many when we're talking about american idol come on now four four because how different can it be right like i can see three unique american idol podcasts only three i thought i was being generous.

I'm going to go out on a limb and say there's probably three really good ones. I can imagine there being room for three good American Idol podcasts. A deep dive, a where are they now, and then a current season gossip queen style. XOXO idle queens or something yeah yeah i'm with a 17 patreon uh anyways what were you chewing on man you brought some heat what did i send you i mean come on you sent me uh you sent me you sent me... I've listened to so much music. You sent me Trash Talk. Oh, I did send you Trash Talk.

An EP called Plagues from 2008. you know what threw me off was we had a conversation after i sent you the tune on where we were like man we should have both talked about kendrick and that's been in my head so but yes earlier in the week i did send you trash talk um yeah i was chewing on that because i chew on that ep a lot because that was uh uh I don't think that was their first EP. It might have. No, no, it wasn't. It wasn't. Okay.

Yeah, they started in 2005. Gotcha. Okay. It was one of their earlier EPs, and it's one of the EPs that they put out that is not on streaming services. Like, I have to go to YouTube to listen to it. And it's probably my favorite release from them. And I just remember it was a very formative and it's a very nostalgic EP for me because like when they were touring that EP, they played Sound and Fury Festival and I was there. Oh, great. And I just remember seeing that band for the first time. That was the first band I saw in person that like hardcore band punk band or whatever in person

that had black people in it i mean that was like a huge thing for me yeah that's got to be massive like it was yeah it was crazy it was crazy big for me to like and at that point the drummer that were you aware of hardcore bands that had black members at that point i was only aware of bad brains as being the band that had black people in it. There were other bands at the time that I was just not aware of. And then I was also aware of like, because it was like 2006, 2007. So I was also aware of like Killswitch Engage. Singer was black at the time, Howard Jones. Like there were a couple other bands and stuff like that.

But in terms of like, this is a local kind of California band. Sacramento, a.k.a. Sacramento. Sacramento. Come on, baby. From Babylon, California. band they sacramento aka sacramento sacramento come on baby uh from babylon california um and i just remember being like and at this point they had three black people in the band the drummer is also black and i just remember and he was like a big like stocky football player guy and i'm like man that could be me up there and that was like a really formative thing for me i was still in high school and this shit was like crazy so yeah i love that ep is really good i mean dude this this was some hard pressed some like

total crowd kill fucking sacramento this i was like was listening to it i was like this is either this is bay area like this feels like fresno bakersfield just it's got that like kind of anger to it it's got a chip on its shoulder. Totally. Yeah. Totally. I mean, the best way I can describe it, I said it already, but it's total crowd kill music.

It's just like people are being tough. Yeah. People want to be tough at those shows. Yeah. It was definitely one of those. I really love that shit. It was good. Yeah.

I don't know. I mean, we got a real widespread on this Chewing On. That's true. The distance between the two is worlds away. And we've kind of swapped places because usually you go with more of the aggressive stuff and I go with the more mellow stuff. But we've totally come full circle. Yeah. You brought some real heat, some some anger and i got all sappy

and was like i've been getting drunk early in the morning there's room for both man yeah yeah yeah maybe you're influencing me in a positive way maybe you're having me reach out into places that i was uncomfortable to do in the future i'm corrupting the past you're correcting me no i said corrupt oh i'm correcting your behavior helping you see the light yeah no um yeah that's what i was chewing on this week man it was a good one i i gotta go it's i gotta go listen to uh to some of their earlier stuff i wonder if it's a little heavier but you said this was your fave yeah this is probably my favorite ep from them for sure although the full length that they put out i think it was a self-titled full length that was like

maybe the next release after this their first full length that they did was really good are they still active they are they're like still playing uh yeah they're still active i would say they're still active obviously the the the time in between like new music and like them playing shows is like greatly like become large i don't know what i'm saying there but um yeah they've slowed down i guess but uh they're still active they're greatly becoming large yeah they're greatly just becoming large yeah but they are one of those bands that kind of blew up and became like a like really big like really quickly um and so you know they're all doing other other shit but uh yeah the band's still active as far as i know and you know we narrowly missed the uh

the daydream that i had that we both texted each other different kendrick tracks from the new album at the same time i'm just being like this is what i've been chewing on well we should make it happen what what's your what's your favorite song from the album oh man what was it was it it's is it crucial or criminal i'm bad at like when i'm first listening through stuff i'm not really like looking at the stuff i'm just like pressing play and it's running through and then if i pause it i pick up where i left off and this album is especially hard to track song names because it's so kind of um chaotic in terms of like the production totally you're not sure when songs are starting or ending and it's just kind of just it kind of is seamless in that way yeah um let me see kevin said crown question mark

maybe it was crown yeah crown or count me out it was they had this like really like this part where he's just like uh really ripping up other rappers in like a bold way and i was just like hell yeah man go for it but dude it's it's really like nuanced and dense uh yeah uh where it's like i don't have too much to say because it's like i don't know it's it kind of like reminds me of in no way tonally but like he's this was one of those things where it's like i listened to it and was like yeah me of in no way tonally but like he's this was one of those things where it's like i listened to it and was like yeah i don't know i definitely need to go through this a couple more times before i like feel confident speaking on it you want to know something funny

yeah uh i had a conversation with a buddy of mine who's a big hip-hop guy who actually did not like this album and he's a huge kendrick fan um and in our conversation i literally told him this feels like kendrick's yeezus which means like a lot of people are not gonna like this um but i feel like i love this album and i i yeah actually i've come around on yeezus i didn't like it at first i actually really like it and appreciate it now it's cool yeah it's really cool yeah i i really appreciate this album though especially the first half um i don't know why the difference is between the halves the first half is much more like i would like it almost is taking cues from like like noise bands like it almost feels like a noise

rap kind of album like it's yeah man i yes you know what i mean yes and i kind of like what he's doing like if if if what young thug and future do is like mumble rap i would call this like ramble rap because he's kind of just like it's not like a lot of punch lines and like you know line punch line line punch line line punch line it's more like he's just like stream of consciousness kind of just like rattling off and i kind of like that it fits with the production style really well especially in the first half the back half of the album gets a little bit more the songs get a little bit more structured there's a little bit there's like choruses and stuff like that um yeah now here's a question this is something that i was thinking about and maybe

it's a controversial thought and i'm ready to be controversial on the pod let's do it uh i wonder sometimes if like the political messaging and the sort of like current social awareness that is going on in this music right like how manufactured is it i want to believe that it's the artist i want to believe that it's like this pure of punk awareness and a message and like trying to speak and using a platform. But I wonder because like there is a commercialism to this sort of philosophy and thought right now. Like, of course, activism is big right now. It is marketable. activism is big right now it is marketable and i wonder if these powers that be not like illuminati powers but obviously like record company powers are aware of that and are making and pushing that yeah in some sort of way i don't know yeah with if this was any other artist i

would say maybe i think with kendrick he's been kind of doing this for a while there's a consistency yeah there's even even in his first like in his his earlier music, he always had a point of view about things. It was never just like, let's just make songs. You know what I'm saying? There's always been a little bit of his worldview sprinkled into it. I think now he's just at a place where he can use... He's gained enough... I hate the word, but clout, for the lack of a better word.

I think he's gained enough clout around himself as an artist to like lean heavily into whatever message he's trying to do at the risk of like not pleasing some people you know what i mean yeah for sure for sure i i yeah i i think about that with a lot of music so i i love i get that answer you know what's the influence but i think you're right it's it's probably the consistency that moves us away from that possibility yeah anyways that's what we've been fucking chewing on you germs we'll be right back sick on sip on your liquid death and uh we'll be right back all right okay the train's on the tracks welcome back to never heard of them we've got some hot guests our pod daddies pod daddies the true gate if there's ever a gatekeeper it's them let's welcome to the pod it's haze it's sean i'm not gonna say your last names we're close now we

know each other yeah yeah this is tight it would insult me to hear my last name from you yeah that would be disrespectful at this point the fruits of a network just being able to get on this show whenever i want kevin calls up. We had a really big guest lined up. Yeah. You kind of just. Hey, so Hayes and Sean are actually going to be guesting on the show this week. Yeah, it was tough. We had to tell Tiffany Haddish to go.

We had to tell her she was bumped. You're getting bumped to be the agent. You ever seen daddy's home too well this is kind of like that Kevin it's like

what about Charlene Yee what about her she's pushed that's what I was really excited to get to talk to Charlene but she's pushed my that's what! I was really excited to get to talk to Charlene, but she's pushed. My whole thing is just like, I mean, why have the amount of success we have if you don't get to build your own personal playground with it? I love being in the playground sandbox.

Yes, exactly. It's so different. So I'll jump out and go down the slide with carl talking about basketball then i'm over here on the little whirligig with my friend hayes doing a pro version and now i'm in the sandbox i just i like i like the part where you guys leave and then like we and come back to life and like... Guys, we're here to talk tunes. We're having fun. We're having a laugh.

But we're here to talk tunes. Let's get serious about music, please. Yeah, no jokes when it comes to tunes, all right? Very serious matter. We got to know a little bit about what you guys like listening to and why you like listening to it. And don't volunteer. I'll pick.

I'll pick who goes first. Don't volunteer. Sean? I'd like Hayes to go first. Okay, great. Hayes. So, Hayes, tell us a little bit about what tunes you're taking in. Well, let me...

I guess I don't have my phone near me because i do i always have to check to kind of remind myself what what i what i like to listen to all right oh here so we'll go back to sean okay great so sean i just got it out i just got it i just got it all the way out let me check on my phone i also got it is every is every time you move it looks way more dramatic with longer hair like when you're looking for your phone you're like my hair is like three seconds behind me i'm sort of not okay to my own life in some ways much like haze i so i i almost only listen to music when i am running okay which. Which I try to do most days.

Are you talking like pretty exclusively, you only listen to music when you run? Like in the car? Pretty much. In the car, sometimes I will check in on Hits 1. I just like to know what Spider Harrison is talking about these days on Hits 1. Sisany. No, Sisany i think is on kiss those are some

of the djs i lately i have been listening to the opening of uh every season of attack on tide which is an anime that i like cool take. Take Me Home by Phil Collins. Adrenaline Night Shift. Japan Droids. Both good writing songs. Yeah, Japan Droids. Shake It by Metro Station. Let It Rock by Kevin Rudolph.

Those are my four most recent. This is a hype list. Yeah. This is getting you out this is getting those miles Sean knows this I always need something to kind of like get me get me out of bed you know what I mean

Sean has a much higher tolerance for atmospheric and more like emotionally complex music than I do I guess I'm more like lyrically invested or something you like the story of it or like with the emotions connected to the words yeah yeah

and hayes you're coming with a beat you're looking for and that goes with him by the way also yeah i mean i don't want i don't know how to say this but for like pornography he likes a written it's text-based pornography i mean if i'm i you know literatica yeah like when i see a an image or like god forbid a moving image of um a sexual act it means almost nothing to me i suppose that could be erotic to someone, but if I see the word breast on a page... That's hot. Well, I need to excuse myself. Oh, we got to take a full time out.

I have to leave the refrigerated section of the deli and go chill out in the car are uh are porn stories labeled the same as like porn video clips when you search them like are these rudimentary i guess i don't know it's so funny like i only have my experience and you have your if you're looking at video clips you could tell me what they're um like amateur is there such thing as amateur yeah is it amateur absolutely like yeah it's called fan fiction it's called fan fiction absolutely it's and it's probably way nastier than they use the wrong they use the wrong word there there um yeah there's more like grammar mistakes and stuff it's not not as classy, but somehow it feels more authentic, too.

What's POV like in Literatica? It's just first-person narrative. Or maybe second. I was going to say it's probably second-person. Maybe second-person. You start to unzip your pants. Yeah, amateur POV. You touch their T-H-e-r-e bobs

it's exciting if nothing else it is exciting i'm not turned on yet but i'm willing to give it a shot i'm willing to try i'll read well i mean it's so much like your show though like it's like everybody has their own stuff they like and i'm kind of exposing you to something maybe that's a little bit of a hole in your knowledge. Yeah, I'll have to give it a read and give you a thumbs up, thumbs down if I'm into literatica, if I can really bust that nut. Hayes, I do have a serious question. Yeah. Somebody who listens to music when they run makes me feel like it has not

been a big part of it is not a big part of your life definitely not even in your adolescence like we're talking that sort of high school to college age where you really i think are buying cds and stuff like that where we know so i'll tell you when it did i broke up with my high school girlfriend freshman year of college after learning that she had i've talked about this on other platforms but that she had cheated on me with the music teacher so there's a little bit of my relationship with music is i guess now that i say it wow yeah you're saying that that's when you did get into music but actually it's right it probably was in some ways drawing uh i would walk i would take very long walks it was cold like hands in my pockets walks where i would

like you know picture myself being watched like thinking I was like looking cool walking around on my big walks and I would listen to the streets. Grand don't come for free. That was a big one for me. Like the rap group, the streets. It's just a guy. There's one guy. Yeah, fired. Mike Skinner.

I'm out. Sorry. It's Mike Skinner. Yeah, I preferred original pirate material myself. And that was also when Funeral, the Arcade Fire album came out. It was 2004. Huge. Big year.

So good. And just the operatic like wake up. I would listen to that and be like yes, this is like it was yes. This is the Where the wild things are trailer oh yeah was that song on there was that on that it was the trailer and i i'd say it's the most the largest gap between trailer and movie that exists like it's the most perfect song for this trailer that looked incredible and like the images were the book and it felt like your child i was just like holy fucking you're like they did it this is where the wild things are

my favorite thing like i don't care if it's who it's for like i this is and then i went i was like i got bored was the was the song in the movie too or just the trailer i think it's just in the trailer i don't think they got it in the movie, which, by the way, if they had just had an important montage in the film set to that song, it probably would have bumped a full letter grade for me. Man. It's a powerful album. It's a powerful track.

Yeah. Hell yes. Stuff I do like, looking down a little deeper, I do like 60s. Walk Away, Renee by The Left bank is a song i really like there's a band called the association that has a couple songs i like a lot it's like sort of like bubblegum pop like dream pop but like it's like the zombies the zombies is i think like the most

kind of classic example and those are kind of coming out of the 60s kind of garage rock kind of vibe right yeah yeah i've heard of the left bank i had to look them up to be reminded but yes i've seen these these bob headed boys before the association yeah never my love is i think their biggest song but um windy um which i first heard in a breaking bad cold open but i really really really really liked it i'm listening to a little bit of association right now and it sounds like cold open music yes yeah that windy plays when there is a sex worker in the show named wendy in breaking bad and it's her turning her tricks but that song plays and i was like this song fucking kicks ass this shit wrong um but yeah that's i mean that's it that basically that's the show for me that thanks for coming on hey yeah

yeah you're not gonna get much more out of me from there. Well, hey, that's enough. That's enough to work with. You're enough and you're beautiful. You belong. Yeah. Is there anything, like, when has music made you cry? This is, and maybe it never has, but it sounds like you have a non-emotional relationship with music.

Has it ever gotten you there? The one, I don't know if it's ever made me cry but the one that like a story song this is more along the lines of what the kind of stuff that sean has a more sophisticated palette for i really liked the sufjan uh the illinois album of course around that same time, like 2004, 2005. 2004, yeah. And Casimir Pulaski Day is a very sad song that I love. I still love it. I don't know if it's made me cry, but it's probably gotten me closer.

That John Wayne Gacy song on that album will kind of get you going. He killed 10,000 people with his gun and his scarf. Folding John Wayne's t-shirts. Oh my God. I was one of them. That shit's fucked up, dude. And that's how I found out that that guy was a guy. Unfortunately.

He was educating a lot of people. It's like, what are eight things about Illinois? Well, John Wayne Gacy. I feel like you skipped some stuff. He got to Gacy before Michael Jordan. Yeah. Yes. Yeah.

It's a little bit more of a window into you than the state itself, Sufjan. Cool Suf. Very cool Suf. Well, Sean, you're up. You're in the hot seat. All right. Tell us about what tunes you get into. Do you turn up?

Do you chill out? Because I, you know, Hayes went first, so I've got a little bit of a chronological thing I could do here, which is. That's great. So my parents were sort of, they had like a big record collection and were kind of hippies at some point. So tons of my mom was like a Beatles obsessive and that was playing in the house all the time. feels obsessive and that was playing in the house all the time and i was a youth when the original like the anthologies were coming out and the like huge like network documentary series about them was on so that was like a big impactful thing and then um my dad was hard into like steely dan so that was on a lot too there's like a couple like a couple staples that were just always in rotation

that i kind of grew up being into some of that like uh 60s 70s music and then um when i was in high school i got really deep into the jam band scene uh partially because i was so into drugs uh and it was a problem and that was like you could go there and find any so i would go to these music festivals i would go to burk fest and were you doing whippets sure yeah cool i'm in yeah yeah and for just jam bands so we can talk just quickly we're talking like fish and i i actually what what what you'd be maybe surprised i never saw fish live because i saw so many local new england bands and so i saw like so i'll rattle off a couple there was mo uh deep banana blackout strange folk jiggle the handle percy hill um the gray boy all stars okay um uh so you're following more of a like a sort of string cheese incident i guess is a big one but it was and they all they all like

cross-pollinated and played with each other percy hill not a big band that was the one i saw the most i really loved um them weirdly like probably because i wasn't that into jam bids they were the most like studio focused of them they had but you were into the drugs that came along with it i was into it and i liked going to the shows and just hanging out and and kind of feeling and a disco biscuits was like a big band that i got really into and they had their own festival called camp bisco that i would go to so that now i my- Now, I'm unsure if this is real. It's totally real. Yeah, this is real.

It's totally real. This is probably the fifth time I have heard Sean, he mostly does it as a joke, but him reciting those band names. That I rattle off the names because they are all sort of funny. Yes. There's that small moment of doubt in my my head of like maybe this is all fake maybe this is all no that was like and my you know uh my like best friend in high school and i like listened to a bunch of that music and went to those shows and um we would like camp out for

the weekend and uh so that was a little bit of my scene there. And then because it was the 90s, I also listened to, in our town, 104.1 was the alternative radio station. And it was all the usual suspects. I mean, that Third Eye Blind album was fucking enormous. I remember going to buy the How's It be single yeah at the mall with my friend and being a quarter short and stealing it from the wishing well cool yeah yeah dude that's beautiful that's a lyric that's a third isn't it though and we went we listened that on the way home and it had been we obviously knew the band and the music was on the radio but it was being used heavily in a dawson's creek promo at the time.

And so it was like, I had heard the hook of it so many times in this like 10 second promo that it was like, I need to own this. And so like, yeah, third eye blind, you know,

all those other bands like that counting crows, you know, who I, I still really like. So there's all that stuff that I'm nostalgic for. of it i didn't like the time dave matthews band was the biggest thing in the world and i was like i'm not into this i listen more to like jam bands and rap music and then yeah there is seems to be a big line when it comes to dave matthews you're either in or you're out but now i understand it i i love it because it

every person's car i got into to like go to a party it was playing and so it is somehow against my will became my teenage years and so now it is like linked to most of my like positive high school memories so i do like it now um so yeah there's that. And then when I got sober and like out of the drug scene, again, I had a time of getting incredibly committed to music. And I was with like all these like kind of like young people in sobriety, like around like New Haven. And there was a guy that I met named and we we called him indie rock brian and he was like up on all the indie rock and i would just give him my ipod and i was a

beautiful thing i would say fill this for me yes just like give me all the new shit i'd be like keep like these three things on there i know i want that and everything else is yours all like 200 megabytes or whatever and then he would just fill it up with albums and then i would listen to it for six months and then i would give it to him again um and so that's when i got into all the saddle creek stuff um you know rilo kylie and death cab and all that shit and then the national which became like huge for me i see i've seen them a bunch of times um and the biggest one i remember riding around in in a car with my friend greg and he had a mix on and i heard my first mountain goat song which is like a super lo-fi it was off um all hill west texas and then i like i played that album just like start to finish for

months every it was one of like every song on the album became my favorite song on it at some point because i just like lived in it and that's sort of like so much of the huge like lyrical influence and i i don't even know if it's true i think i read at some point that like the characters in his songs like he writes short stories about that like it felt like there was weight underneath yeah um the lyrics these stories he was telling about these people he would do um like kind of concept albums about what was all about one couple or it was all about uh some certain period in his life and um it was just something for me that in my early sobriety was very very impactful so that silver jews too was same same time i love when you find that like special album that you're like if this were like that i could wear a cd out

like kind of listening you know that's a really special spot. And that sticks with you. And you're going to like you're going to listen to that album till you fucking die. You know, Sean, it'll always take you there. So it'd be great. Sean, what do you think it was about the mountain goat specifically that like really grabbed you more than like the other stuff that was put on the iPod? You know, there's part of it is like it did sound so shitty. that like really grabbed you more than like the other stuff that was put on the ipod you know there's part of it is like it did sound so shitty like it was just like him playing guitar and

recording into like a boombox and it was just it felt very intimate and like urgent and the just i think something about the recording of it too like i i don't know i there was something that felt authentic about it to me and um and some of the stuff he was there was a sense of humor to it and there was a very like kind of literate uh aspect there and you know it's very they're much cornier but like one of the first bands i found for myself was like they might be giants which was from like tiny tunes or whatever but those were some of the first like that was probably the first tape i ever bought with my own money was flood and there's something about their sound too like that you know he had a very nasal voice john darneel does and so did john linell from there and i think i got used to that kind of sound i just liked that kind of like nasal whiny i'm talking to you saying smart

stuff kind of sound and um and then yeah silver jews and pavement and those those guys were at the same time i got really deep into yeah and uh so yeah so that so what i listen to now is really a lot of that same that like early 2000s indie stuff is what i love and go back to and there's a bunch of stuff from that period and it's it's rare that i find like a new thing i'm really into even if i find a new band that i get like i got into super chunk pretty late with like like three albums ago and i i love them now i listen a lot but they're a 90s band that i just didn't find who's still making good music i think that sort of fit into the stuff that you already liked right yeah i don't i don't find a lot of i had a period a little while back where i got into

like um car seat headrest and level up and some of that like kind of uh yeah like 2016 stuff um that i like but anyway that's but i don't i don't listen to as much music as i used to i think i got so into audiobooks and podcasts when i'm in the car i do think they are extremely competing mediums they are there's 100 there it's it's hard to listen to every podcast and also do music or vice versa i get really invested in books too and i'll find like a narrator i love and then i'll just be like well i i every time i have extra listening time i'll be like well i really want to finish this book and it wins out over songs um but to bring it all full circle i went to the pa McCartney concert on Friday fuck yeah

was he shaking? Paul McCartney got back he got back he's spry baby the show's called Paul McCartney got back it's an homage to his famously huge ass

the boys got back it was great yeah it was a good show where was it so far sophie sophie man i wonder what did it sound good in there like did the the audio and stuff sound good it did i mean it's like uh it didn't sound incredible because it's a pretty cavernous space. Be honest. Be honest now. Don't hold back. It was like an incredible kind of impactful experience for me. I truly loved the set list and hearing him. He sounded better than you would think he would at 79 years old.

Yeah, totally. And also sounded bad in spots in a way that was also reassuring where it's like i'm seeing the real guy he's really can't get there on blackbird anymore you know and so that um it made it again uh feel good and so i did love um love the show but yeah there's there were spots where with the full band playing, stuff got drowned out a little bit, but also his vocals are getting drowned out, but he doesn't sound amazing. You're there for the song.

The Beatle is doing the Beatles in front of you. Yeah. This is not a novel thought, but I was listening to the Beatles today. I've talked about it on the pod before, but I go to this library that has LPs and you can pull a bunch of LPs from the library. And one of them that I got was the Beatles volume, Rock and Roll Volume 2, and just had it playing in the background.

And I was like, I know every single one of these songs, but I've never listened to this album before. Yeah. And then I started putting on other Beatles and I was like, this is not a band that I have ever actively listened to this album before yeah and and then i started putting on other beatles and i was like this is not a band that i have ever actively listened to uh that i can remember maybe a little bit of middle school when you get like you said the anthologies but i know i think i know every song i feel confident that like i know almost every song it's crazy that yeah sometimes

you see a title and go like i i oh i guess i never heard that one and then you're like no i have heard this and because i was exposed via the anthologies i don't know the timeline really of the album so i'll be like i'll be like well old brown shoe that's a great beatles song and then it's like that was never on an album yeah that was a fucking b-side they decided not to release but you know and then later in time it goes like oh this is when george harrison was really like finding his feet as a songwriter um so it's it's kind of cool i i want to answer one more question that you asked hayes which is a song that has made me cry please please now my wife is very into country like modern pop country uh-huh and um she listens to luke combs uh

sometimes and he had a song called um even though i'm leaving which is a it starts out do you know this song i don't know but i know this guy he's uh yeah luke combs he's good he's a good songwriter he writes a lot of like storytelling ones and there's a lot of like you know beard ever broke my heart is like his biggest thing it's a lot of what you think of as the kind of corporate country like billionaire singing good old boy specifics but yeah the first verse is a dad singing to his son as he puts him to bed like you know even though i'm leaving like you're going to bed i'm leaving but like i'm always here with you like you don't need to be scared and then the second verse is the son going off to join the military and he's singing it to

his father like even though i'm leaving i'm still here with you and then the third verse is the father on his deathbed saying like even though i'm passing on i'm always gonna be here damn and it really works on me and it did make me cry always my baby and my baby you'll be kind of vibes to giving that that book that book that makes moms cry yeah that sounds powerful it sounds like you can get your jesney's coming to to sofi pretty soon i don't know really if you saw that sean and i don't want to go dan will be joining and shay will be there as well oh shay's bringing dan or the other way around it's dan i think is who's driving dan's the main yeah who's driving who's the metro but if dan's driving? Dan's the main... Yeah, who's driving? Who's the little man?

But if Dan's driving, maybe Shay is higher status. I don't got to drive. You drive me. He's sitting in the backseat. I would go just to hear the song Tequila by Dan and Shay, and then I would leave. You're not going to stay for 10,000 hours? We wrestled even with going to Paul McCartney.

I was like, I have to. I've never seen him. This is a bucket list experience. But I didn't want to go so far. I have gently seen off some other elder statesmen or i guess just one five percent of the audience was wearing masks at sofi just so you know we were among them but no one i was like oh i'm catching covet here and i would not be going back um but i feel like your decision making sean uh gave got to give Petty a little kiss on the forehead on his way out the door.

So I went to see Tom Petty right before he died. And I had never seen him. It was an incredible concert. And part of me seeing him was like, I've talked about this before, but I meant to see Prince when he was doing that residency at the Forum. And I didn't go. And everyone was like, most amazing talked about this before but i meant to see prince when he was like doing that like residency at the forum and i didn't go and everyone was like most amazing concert i've ever been to you have to be there and i was like he'll do it again and then he died pretty yeah you know shockingly yes i was one of those people who was like i'll see him the next time he does it yeah i

saw him on the musicology tour let me tell you if you missed the musicology tour there's nothing the forum yeah it's could have done to like catch up to unmatched yeah yes no that and i've heard that as well but um i i wanted the generic label version of that at least so anyway then when that happened i was like i guess i really do have to see these people like when you can. And so then I went to see Tom Petty next, like with that in mind. And then he died. Wow. And then I was like,

Oh wow. I was right. And then I went to see like Elton John, Billy Joel, like a bunch of just like classic people I grew up with. And, um, and they were mostly good shows,

but I felt like I had just missed my window with paul mccartney i was like there's no way in 2015 he played dodger stadium ringo came out with him i wasn't there and i was like fuck man i blew it and then he did this and i feel like i haven't watched that haven't watched that documentary right before it was even more uh impactful for me you were charged yeah oh i was fired up i'm glad you got a long book about him hey sean you never know when they're gonna go don't forget you never know hey but if they do you never know even though they're leaving yeah that don't mean that they won't be right by your side when you're scared and you need them in the middle of the night beautiful one of those i

went to and i do think this was like a sort of a part of new england history was uh and this is a guy that i've always really liked but i haven't uh caught up with him recently but uh springs dean at fenway this was the first fenway now they do them all the time yeah he's coming there later this summer yeah um but that was the first one and i think it was like three shows or something like that this is around the time of like i guess it was post the rising but enough where that was like still kind of his like most recent like huge hit album right yeah that was fucking that was sick i uh i'm gonna say it on the pot i'm not a big bruce guy and i know that's really polarizing and that's gonna probably you know gonna lose several followers for this one

but i'm not really into the boss i've never seen him not much of a working man yeah that doesn't resonate with you yeah i'm all about daddy's money yeah okay i never saw him but i also never did a deep dive but i always felt like it was a feeling of me like when i listen i'm like i like born to run was yeah born to run rocks yeah yeah and then i i bought the vinyl of darkness on the Edge of Town and grew to like basically every song there. But the whole rest of his catalog, I barely know. It's a huge catalog. It's so daunting. Yeah, there's certain artists where you're like, it's too big.

Too big for me to even dive into. Which is a perfect transition to a genre that's almost too big for the both of you guys. It's true. Is is it is it really okay it's a pretty i would say it's a pretty big genre these days especially these days is it now because i think of it as being geez huge 20 years ago yeah yeah and and tailing off yeah yeah i think there's a lot of bands now that are doing like shoegaze kind of revival type stuff and like offshoot brands of shoegazy kind of stuff like there's so many bands playing like like what you might consider to be shoegaze or dream pop but like also fits under the category

of lice of like alternative rock yeah yeah post-punk like they're all kind of melding and becoming the same thing dream pops related so like because like i think of like beach house's dream pop right sure yeah yeah but that's not shoegaze yeah let's narrow it down a little okay i want to talk about why i brought this up yeah as a genre let's take a one big step back and first just say without a shadow of a doubt the genre that you guys say that you fuck with the least is shoegaze but i've been i mean it's one that i know enough to like to be adjacent to it and to know that i i just never fully got it this was another freshman year of college my roommate a cross-country runner from palo alto would i remember all the bands my bloody valentine of course the uh the seminal yes gaze band serena maniche which was like a swedish or like some kind of scandinavian band

around that time there's one called minus the bear uh yeah play a lot and all of these i heard them i never stopped here he would just play them all the time and it was fine it was like ambient like background music but like none of them just like sunk in for me at all and i couldn't really tell you even what it is uh it's it isn't it's it's it's hard to exactly ping what this sound is okay um we can talk a little bit about we can talk yeah we can talk a little bit about uh i think it's easier to start with like the precursors to exactly describe like what it is because a lot of shoegaze to me sounds like i would quote it as like a wall of sound it is yeah yeah it's about sonic capabilities as opposed to like yeah well i think shoegaze the term is like a

is like a pejorative term like it's not like i think it is a little bit of a negative connotation yeah it's like it's like navel gazing it's like navel gazing yeah it's like you you know they're fucking staring at their shoes just like noodling around around. Yeah. And I think part of what makes shoegaze, I think what separates shoegaze from genres like dream poppers or even just alternative rock is that they don't care if you're enjoying yourself. That's not what the point of the music is. That's why the vocals typically are tucked in the mix very low. It's almost like you can't even hear what they're singing about well it's like another instrument where it's just like

another sound for them to make yeah right i think that's like very big part of the genre is that the vocals is considered an instrument as opposed to like uh the main attraction or whatever yeah because i think of it as like you have to be incredibly patient with it because i think every like couple years i would go i gotta get into my bloody valentine like this is like such an important album to so many artists that i respect i gotta fucking get into this and i would just be like i don't have the pace like i'm getting frustrated with it and i do like a lot of dream poppy stuff that i'm realizing is similar like beach house obviously the way i don't know what they're saying in a lot of those songs the way that yeah that she uses her voice and i'm just like okay but it

somehow it works for me more i guess because it's just all like really pretty i like beach house okay and then it feels more melodic to me for sure but i would say i know the like big song like the single but i can't pick out a lot of their songs from one another i feel the same way about grizzly bear where there's like a couple songs i love but everything else kind of felt falls into like it's all a mess. Wax candle. Yeah. Just a candle. I mean, I just call that a candle.

Don't really need the qualifier. That's just a straight up candle. I'm trying to pull a time. Yeah, I think you have to specify if it's not wax. That's cool. That's cool. It's a soy candle. It's like a soy candle, babe.

I feel like the reason I think we like the dream pop and stuff more is it came first it existed first you know shoegaze is one of those things as far as i understand it it's definitely a british based thing it's coming out of brit pop which is an extension of like like brit pop was after kind of new wave. So we're, we're beyond post-punk. We're beyond new wave. We're doing Britpop. It's like indie alternative. And then blur is a great example of like,

that's a bridge between the two, right? Yes. That would be a perfect bridge. Uh, pre song to like everything blur did before. Woo. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like that dream pop and stuff and a lot of other precursors like uh uh i'm gonna mispronounce this but like the cocktail the cocktail twins yeah another big precursor and that's very beach housey like you hear beach house there uh-huh um and i i have a hard time kind of like, I think it's what Ahsan was talking about. It's like the genre evolved through musicians

who were more interested in playing with their friends for themselves than being a commercial success. And then somehow it became successful. Like the early days of like punk and stuff, but not like hard. Yeah. Very soft, like a very soft version of that yeah it's that same intention of like we just want to like right get together and play our our instruments like oh there's people who are cool oh that's cool that's fine well it's similar

to the jam band things that i like it does remind me kind of of jam bands which i listen to but it's not as goofy right um and you know i obviously sort of grew out of even liking those but um have now i'll ask you this jacob uh do you feel like shoegaze is maybe a genre of music that like part of the barrier of enjoying it is seeing it live yes because a lot of it is like my bloody valentine is big because of how loud they are in my opinion i think so that's interesting yes that's another minus the bear show my roommate brought me yes uh-huh at um sean what's that place that we almost performed, but then we didn't because it had been canceled? The Middle East. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The Middle East.

The Middle East. In Cambridge. And it was, for me, so loud that every picture of me at Chuck E. Cheese when I'm a little kid, I have both fingers in my ears. Yeah. Like, it did not even hit. picture me at chucky cheese when i'm a little kid i have both fingers in my ears yeah like it it it did not even hit like you're supposed to go to those shows with ear protection yeah okay like like it uh it's part of it and i don't okay i'm not against that i i get it but it kind of goes

back to this thing of like it's for musicians right it's like yeah i don't think you and like a person who doesn't play guitar will be impressed that somebody has a rig that can pump 115 decibels versus 95 but this is the shit that my uh that these fucking uh uh my bloody valentine fans care about and they like i got too deep in the reddit and they're like i've noticed that towards the back half of their shows they're no longer pushing 140 decibels and i'm like i can't imagine that's loud and to get even nerdier shattering yeah to get even nerdier what made my my bloody valentine so cool for nerds is that they would do stuff to like

like not just being loud but they would do stuff they would tune their guitars in ways that like more of the they could play more of the strings open so that no like chords would resonate like more just like so they would like tune the bottom three notes like to the same note so that when they would hit an open chord it would just be this wall of of sound and i think that's that's part of why like you have to see it live because it like playing a guitar super loud is is awful it also feels different rather than like just hearing it because it's like hitting you in the chest and it's like yeah vibrating and shit the thing is it's like no home setup no even car system is ever going to replicate like what a marshall stack

could do physically to you and these boys are put it goes to 11 and and the lead singer or the whatever the front man of my bloody valentine is like ruined right isn't like i i thought like i heard so like he has like his hearing yes i haven't heard this but i wouldn't doubt it yeah i don't doubt that tinnitus would be what he has t. He has tinnitus. For sure. He got it while mixing Loveless. Awful. That's horrible. And he has, yeah, mild to extreme tinnitus.

That's bad. My dad has that. It's bad. It's not good. Yeah. Yeah. But I do think Ahsan nailed it where it's like, it's an in-person sort of

genre and unless you're a big music nerd with like an impressive sound system i don't even know if like loveless is going to sound good like on my system it was really pushing it and i was like i don't want to ruin my speakers so i'm gonna not really do this you know um but then we kind of get like we were talking about if it like there's there has been other waves we had this like 90s wave and then we had like a weird wave and like the 2011 12 maybe to 14 there was like a second wave and now i think we're on like a third wave but it's because like punk and metal music's so big right now that you're moving into this like it's called foo gaze where it's like more metal inspired more punk inspired but it's still about the wall of sound i think they're trying to like anybody can find a

new little corner and be like we're gonna make it our own and i think they're trying to bring it back was the 2011 2012 was that like m83 yes yes okay i think they would be considered shoegaze um i'm trying to think of like another sort of second let me see or a post-movement like band um i'm gonna have to just look at the the, to be honest. I don't know. M83 is for sure what I would say. But there's bands that kind of like, I wouldn't call them necessarily a shoegaze band,

but they were taking elements of shoegaze. I would say Explosions in the Sky is a band like that, that was doing kind of shoegazy type stuff. You know what I mean? I see that. Well, why don't we listen to one and see what we think we've curated we've curated and picked a tune in the shoegaze genre that we think you guys might dig and if you don't you're gonna tell us We'll be right back. guitar solo Knowing that we're past this now

And you have moved on But I'm still hoping you still think of me Too late, I'm always too late That's interesting. It's very British. They they're swedish i believe yeah so that but that was a song called over by sore eyelids out of belgium 2012 in that set sort of that that uh second that second life of shoegaze i liked it there was something about the guitar tone at first that was like gosh this sounds really familiar i want to say it felt like early modest mouse to me okay interesting um that like little whatever they were doing that little like that just kept coming off of it yeah i was like like twangy drama mean like era like and then when it got into the song when it got the drums came in

i went okay this is really cool that's what i thought it was like this rocks and then when it got into the song when it got the drums came in I went okay this is really cool that's what I thought I was like this rocks and then the next part I was like and this is cool and then when they got into what I assume is sort of the chorus I went okay little mess little muddy for me little messy but okay sticks this is

like this is my problem with all of it I need something cheaper than this I need something that like is more cloying and that i can you mentioned explosions in the sky where like obviously that first part is very reminiscent of that but when it's like when it's heightening a little bit you're like okay and like i'm expected to be like taken on the escalator with this song but it then then it's just like on to the next part and i can't really right like and if you're thinking about yeah it's like i don't know if i'm imagining you running to it

it's like yeah it's not a steady pace for you to right not at all yeah i would never they're shifting too much yes i do agree i like settling into a groove and finding a groove like and and being there even if it's fast, even if it's hectic. We're there. We're steady. And there is a lot of dips. There's ups, downs. It can confuse the brain, I think.

It's not what we're used to. I said it sounds British because it sounds a little like The Cure to me. There's some of that in there for sure. Yeah, totally. They're a big influence in that genre i would say yeah what what about this song kind of made you uh feel like it was the right pick a song well i wanted to find a shoegaze song that like was firmly i think a good representation of like kind of where the genre is now and then uh i i tried to find a song that like the vocals were

like at least a little bit more present than shoegay songs typically are. Because I knew you, Sean, were really in the Mountain Goats. I like started. I'd never heard the Mountain Goats before. So I was listening to like their top five most popular songs on Spotify. And I realized that it was very sort of vocal driven and like acoustic guitar, that type of thing so i tried to find a song where like it would the vocals were present and it kind of felt like they were the lyrics were a little bit more a little bit more story like and kind of talking about something rather than just kind of mumbling

and so that was kind of like the main thrust of it because a lot of shoegaze too is like a lot of it is kind of slower and more like uh like prodding and or not prodding that's not the right word but like kind of like slower and like just more wall of sound yeah patient i tried to find something with a little bit more drive energy and movement it definitely does have more of that than a lot of yeah the songs i have heard i do appreciate the vocal mix more i like this style i don't like that like it when it's too buried it's like well why even be there almost like totally yeah just make an instrumental song yeah what's the name of the band sore eyelids what is it with sweet i mean like is it just i think in places where

it's cold they just make yeah music like this you know okay that's interesting yeah and in southern california you get red hot chili peppers bing a bong to bong um well i'm glad that you guys listened to the tune uh you know every time the guests listen to it they got to give us a thumbs up or a thumbs down so uh for this shoegaze track are you tying them on tight or are you throwing them over a power line that's so that's what you do when you don't like shoes yeah that those that is like the rudest gesture you can make yeah whenever you see shoes on a power line it's because the person really very very dissatisfied i'm tired of these i'm not trying

to start signal you to my criminal enterprise i've got binoculars like looking at the way of going like not gonna buy these shoes whatever they are they must be really uncomfortable blue converse truck chuck taylor's are not the move this this year okay they're good to know they must have changed the construction of so what's the vote i liked it enough to say i don't want to throw it over the power line i'll tie them on tight. I would listen to this song again. I liked a lot of what they had going on instrumentally, and the vocals were present enough for me that I feel like I would chill with it.

So let's tie them on tight. Beautiful. Tie it on tight. I would probably leave them in just like a box that says free cool all right i don't think i like i you know i i i won't like very happy for someone else to have them yes i i hope this is great for somebody yeah not for me yeah i would probably i to be honest what i would do with them is i would try them on and i would go i i think i'll wear these and my wife would go what do you think of the shoes and i'll go they were a little bit tight on the sides but they'll break in and then i would never wear them

and like a year would go by and she'd go like are you gonna get rid of some of these shoes yeah what are these getting out of here yeah well these ones and i go actually i'm gonna i you know i need to break these in still and i would i would wear them for a week and then i'd forget again and then everyone's like sean are those new shoes and you're like no i just never wear them yeah it's interesting yeah sit down please let's talk about this um well thanks for voting on the track guys thanks for giving a listen and being open. Kevin, you got to vote. Yeah, we got to see Kevin's secret vote.

Wow. Don't say it. Don't say it. Don't say it. Don't say it. It's only for the video. That's for the pod viewers, okay? A little scoosy.

A little extra money because we saw what Kevin's doing in terms of which direction the thumb is going. All right. We're going to play a quick little game, a little NBA-focused game. If you've got a bounce haze, totally understand. Any minute now. But this is an

NBA-focused game. Yes. Yes, it is. On the music show? Oh, maybe it's like I created some synergy. Great, we're going to play a game called NBA the National Bars. I created some synergy. Great. We're going to play a game called NBA, the National Bars Association.

We're going to play some tracks that were performed by NBA basketball stars. We're going to play a little bit of the track, and we're going to give you three potential NBA stars, and you guys have to guess who is the artist behind the track. Let's do it. Sounds sick? Sounds sick as hell. I want to play.

Are you dying to play? All right, let's go ahead and hear our first track. I've been to so many places in my life and time. Stung a lot of songs. I made some bad rhymes. Sounds really good. time Sounds really good And I'm singing this song to you I know your image of me Is what I hope to be I treated you unkind and Darling, can't you see There's nothing more important to me

Baby, can't you see through me It's beautiful, though. There's nothing more important to me, baby. Oladipo. A little autotune in there. We're alone now, and I'm singing this song to you. This is a Donny Hathaway cover. All right, so your options. Is this Chris Paul? No. Is this Devin Booker? It's Oladipo. Or is thisor oladipo it's oladipo

yeah he's good who does he sound like you know what he sounds like aloe black to me that's what that's who i was gonna say yeah he sounds like aloe black to me i'm the man that's the thing it sounded like something else i was like i don't know if there's a cover but this is does not sound like it's something it is a cover it's a donnie hathaway song apparently yeah i i don't know if i've ever the only time i've ever heard him sing is one of the most famous moments in nba history where he he came out to the dunk contest he came out to the dunk contest he put on a little like gangster hat and goes start spreading the news yeah because the all-star game was in new york so okay yes that's cool but he was on the masked singer actually yeah i watched uh some of that and i knew it was him, and I felt smart.

And I think he wore a mask to do the dunk. No, this was before that. No, that was later that he dunked with a Black Panther mask on. Yep. That's wild. Cool. That's great. It's all about showmanship at the dunk contest. Yeah, it was honestly pretty solid.

Pretty solid. Points on the board. 500 points each next track suburban girl curious about the dark side she met me at the track where our heart lies. Attracted to the struggle and the hard times. Like she misses something real, but my guard's high. I tried to... That's a wild...

That's a wild first lyric. I definitely have a guess. Yeah. I know her parents wanna prove me cause she way too sheltered and I'm too free. It's kind of a weak beat.

Yeah. Sounds like somebody like drumming on a Kleenex box yeah he's gonna throw those buckets that says let's do this I think Sean and I have the same guess can we guess without absolutely

is this Dame Dala yes it is Dame Dala, Damian Lillard not bad you guys are killing it 500 points yeah 500 points that's it's 10 000 points totally good all right what's that one called uh it's called track me uh by dame dolla track me yeah i like that yeah it was a fun one. I like the, I mean, just like, and also like the high school basketball star who was just laying extreme amounts of pipe. Yeah.

It's very funny to like decide to be an NBA rapper and still rap about like the track meet or sports where it's like, well, if you like, wouldn't you want to try and differentiate and be like, I'm just going to, I'm just going to rap about other stuff that I don't do go into the mall

the silver lake reservoir alright let's hit that next track oh this is a fun one this is the kind of thing I like. Yes. We're in Vegas now. We're in Vegas now. This could be Coldplay.

I like the kazoo sound. Yeah. This feels like a song in an elevator in Vegas. Yes, 100%. Are you guys staying here, or are you just gambling oh no we did our buddy's staying here we're at we're at the hard rock yeah yeah oh we can get his room key if it's a big deal all right guys was that tony parker kareem oh wow or ben simmons that what was my second option tony parker kareem rush and ben simmons it's not ben simmons kareem rush is so not famous that i think it must be

i have to go with kareem rush he wouldn't be a dummy example but that's really funny that that's the kind of music that kareem rush yes you're obviously correct it is kareem rush and he honestly has some bad songs i like went through a couple and there's some where it's like the vocal chomps are not there well i mean it's weird because that song is so his voice is so like tuned out that it doesn't feel like something that someone who likes music would. It's so strange. It's bizarre. You wonder what the goal was. This song's called March On.

He just wants to like be playing in Tulum or something. It's such like a generic club party. It's like he wanted fucking YouTubers to use it for transitionulum or something it's such like a generic club party it's like he wanted fucking youtubers to use it for transition music or something uh all right that's good i had no idea he did that mad respect all right let's hit it track like 14 on the cradle to the grave soundtrack it's the second song that plays in the credits Track like 14 on the Cradle to the Grave soundtrack. It's the second song that plays in the credits. Yeah.

Yeah. International. Mr. Worldwide. This shit thumps. international mr. worldwide this shit I think I might have a guess yeah all right you want to give him the options Jacob I mean I want to I think if he's got

the guess I'll let him go for the guess and if you're wrong I'll I'll I'll read the options soacob uh i mean i want to i think if he's got the guests i'll let him go for the guests and if you're wrong i'll i'll uh i'll read the options so say tony p okay so there you go oh you heard that oh you heard that oh oh that was in the tribe it was in the beginning oh damn it we should have known that wasn't necessarily going to be my guess i thought i read somewhere that rudy gobert did that too but i knew oh that was one of the options was rudy gobert rudy rudy gobert said tony p what's up they did yeah that was indeed tony parker okay i think rudy gobert does rap also yeah that's also the type of rap that he would do i think yeah that's good weirdly i like that it was weird i like french rap yeah

yeah the other option was serge a bucket oh well thanks for playing along, guys. That was NBA, the National Bars Association. You guys came away with easily, I don't know, 1,600, 1,700 points. You can redeem that for a slice of pizza to Chuck E. Cheese, the Eagle Rock Chuck E. Cheese. Plug your ears. They sell it by the... No, you say my name, we'll give you a slice. Okay.

Jacob Wyzocki. Oh, yeah. Hey, Jacob Wyzocki. Let me get the wyzaki special yes yeah i do work at that chucky cheese i i i repair the animatrons and i slang slices of pizza and you there's a line kid jacob wyzaki the i mean the trick is you just sell them on the floor you just like take the you heat up the pizza put on my roller blades yeah you just like tell the kids like i'll give you a slice of pizza for like 50 cents instead of a dollar oh man you're not gonna pay for that crap up there you're gonna wait in that long line come on dude i got some chalula in my pocket if you want

well that option is available for you because you are our winners today congrats um honestly guys thanks for uh thanks for being here thanks for talking tunes and uh giving me the opportunity to plug liquid death waiting waiting for my case. I can't wait. Oh, yeah. I've seen a lot of people get that for free. Yeah, really trying. Really trying to get a case of Liquid Death. I'll give you my address.

Not from our page, pal. You never know. You never know who you're going to reach out to. I wish you the best. Thank you so much. Boys, thanks for being on the pod. Thank you so much Boys thanks for being on the pod Great stuff buddy Thanks for having us

Thanks for doing it I've never heard of them. you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you That was a HeadGum Podcast.