Hollywood Handbook - Natalie Rotter-Laitman & Charlie Bardey, Our Exploration: LIVE Friends

Episode Date: October 21, 2025

The Boys welcome NATALIE ROTTER-LAITMAN & CHARLIE BARDEY from Exploration: LIVE! to uncover what's going on in the Headgum East offices.Get a Hat Pack Hat here!Watch the video of today’s episode at Patreon.com/HollywoodHandbook This is a Headgum podcast. Follow Headgum on Twitter, Instagram, and Tiktok. Advertise on Hollywood Handbook via Gumball.fm See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

This is a headgum podcast. So this right here. Yeah, yeah, no, go ahead. I'm just kind of realizing this right here that's happening. This. They didn't, they didn't want this to happen. And this is a threat to them. Them.

Right. Right. Yeah. This type of. Well, it's like this. Yeah. This solidarity, us all getting together. Right.

That's right. They don't want this. I agree with that. They were against it. They haven't created an atmosphere here. Can I say, wait, can I? That allows us to actually, like, share experiences with each other. Can I stop you?

Can he say something real quick? Can I say something? I was definitely saying something. But I had started first. And what I want to say, and I think you'll want to hear it. Okay. Is I wanted to stop and actually recognize something that Charlie said. Oh my gosh.

That never happens on the show. Hi. And that Charlie, it was the first time we just met, it's going really well. So far so good, I'll say. But Charlie, while you were talking, Hayes, he said something so powerful that I think all future guests, and I know everyone listens before they come on. I know you must have listened to a lot. Yes, I took a listen, of course. Charlie said, I was waiting until I understood before I respond.

By the way, that hit me in the chest because I had. been responding and I didn't know what the fuck Hayes was talking about. But I was keeping it going. I think a lot of people were responding. Not pointing, but a lot of people were responding. But I worry that. No, point away. Point away. Just be careful because one finger of me there's three right back at you. Holy shit. But

I do think, you don't know about that? Did you guys? Do you know about that? Do you know about that? If you're pointing at me. Oh, oh, because of the way the hand goes. It's because of the shape of my waiting and then it's like, I'm really. And now that he's understood, he's ready to respond. And even when you're shooting a gun, you have to think

about that's one bullet going at one person but it is one finger but three come right back at you it is one finger coming back at you right depending on the kind of gun right and a bullet is strong but a finger pointed can last forever you guys all have beautiful blue eyes did you guys know that's not that's not stop

I don't know it's like maybe is there a video component to the podcast yeah we've got a camera right there go ahead if you're only if you're only check on in and if you're like me regular guy hazel eyes no problem don't worry I got you He goes, first he says regular, then he says hazel. Yeah, that's not. So just average, average guy, hazel eyes.

Just a normal typical guy. I'm not like hazel eyes. Hang on. Didn't say brown. And it's not brown. And they're not brown. It's hazel. It's not brown. Otherwise, I mean, you have to meet in the middle.

They're gorgeous. Thank you guys. A lot of first today. Everyone took their shoes off. Not everyone. Not everyone. Well, everyone. Everyone, yeah.

So you guys don't take your shirt off. So my guess is that's more so about masculinity. Do you keep the puppy's clothes? It is, yeah. And they're on their phones right away. I got a text, so I'm putting it on silent because I want to hear. Disengage them right, they said. You know what?

We're not doing this. Oh, in terms of talking about my masculinity? I can deal with it. Me too. Is that why I kept my shoes on? It can't be unrelated, right? You always keep them on. Always keep them on.

Really? I've generally had my shoes on for the podcast the whole thing. We can go back and look, but I think I always have them on. Except when I go to the bathroom, I take off all my clothes. I keep that, I keep that thing on me, my shoe. Yeah. The shoe. We are shoes off right away.

We're getting comfortable. We're crisscross applesau on the couch. Yeah. There's actually all this gorgeous symmetry. Look at how you guys are. We create these little wings with our legs, right? We're each side of a. I like that.

I want the feet to touch. Just for a sec. They have and they will again. Okay. Can't do it on command. Hang tight. I respect that. I respect that.

Natalie took three hats. Charlie said, I don't want one. To Natalie, he didn't even say it to us. He was just like, I don't want one. Yeah. He didn't want one. I didn't hear the story of the hat, so it just didn't feel like my narrative to get in, Alton. You didn't hear it today.

You've obviously heard it because you listen to the podcast. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The hat pack, so this is, I'll tell you because I listen is funny. So basically back when it first started, right, there was this funny thing where it was like, what is the merch that we're going to do? Yeah. It was like, obviously, we need hats, but what's it going to say, Hollywood Handbook?

Oh, that's the show. Yeah. So instead, it was like, this is the hat. So if you have the hat, you're in the hat pack. If you're in the hat pack, you know that you watch the show. Real respect, real. Yeah.

Yeah, that's not it, but like, yes. No, but like, that's not it, but yes. Do you want to tell us what it is, or it's not really good to get into it? What, here's what I wonder, are you guys going to do merch with, like, a quote on it from the show? show ever are you choosing like the good quote are you guys doing that or you think it's super we're still choosing a really good we're still how many years in by the way we're getting really close to having a quote that is and it's a circling the quote a shirtable quote and the problem is like

sometimes you you find one that's really shirtable and then like you record the next episode well that's way so your problem is you've too many that's it we just keep topping ourselves By the way, just make some more shirts. Release one set, you know, hang tight for two months. Then you say, y'all, that shirt is done. Yeah, another round of shirts. Oh, you like that shirt. Is this what you do?

Yeah. Oh. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I say, you're still on that shirt.

Bro, that's over. That shirt is done. Time to evolve. That shirt wasn't like real. We weren't doing that one for real. I was kidding when I mean. You literally bought that? Are you serious?

Oh, my God. Don't tell me. You were actually going to buy that shirt. That is a good relationship to cultivate. You bought it as like a gag gift, right? To prank your buddy? Let's talk. I have questions about New York headgum.

Because here, this is what I'm saying. Like, they don't want us to be talking to each other. The West Coast to East Coast. You know what I mean? Like, it's four cabs on the way home every day. You know what I mean? You know what I mean? Gritty, man.

Yeah. New York is gritty, man. It's real over there. I'm not built for that. What's going on there? Is there like the table there? Do you guys do a show and like you go sit at the table? I know you're blown away by how big this room was.

There's more space out here. Stuff's bigger. Hold the table from the kitchen. No, we don't have that. No, we don't have the table. You have a table in the studio. It's obviously a kitchenette and then there's a foyer. I can't explain it, Charlie.

There's a kitchenette and then there's a foyer with couches, two chairs, but it's all open concept. So you're all in. It's difficult, honestly, because. we'll show up with huge emotional problems and speak to each other about it we'll sit down at the kind of like This is the two of you

Two of us and our producer Emma We actually are always showing up like In tears Embattled And then it's like we're talking about our problems But it's like we're in an office We need to get it out of the way before we record So then we sit in the waiting area

While people are on their computers Doing whatever type of ad sales business Is the waiting area separate from the kitchenette And the foyer? The foyer is the waiting area I think that was clear I feel like that. That was pretty clear because you said there's a FOIA and then he said there's a FOIA.

And then you said the waiting area, which was a new term that was used. Because what I had felt was you guys at as much as we threw out FOIA, I felt like it was just hitting you guys sliding right off you. So then I was like, why don't we pivot? I'm an adaptive educator. Well, I didn't know, I certainly didn't know what it was and I don't intend to learn. But I knew that it wasn't being called the waiting area. So I think that that connection. for me.

I would have made this whole thing really resonating. You know what? If you're not being understood, your heads are freezing. I know from this. Why don't you just say sorry? Hey.

You know what? I'm sorry about all that. I fucked up. All of a sudden, now that I heard sorry, I can look at myself, I fucked up. But now it's like what's happening.

We're in a sorry hole. Yeah, what really went down. But that's like, no worries. It's great to be here. And you can be like, and let's talk about the headgum stuff.

Oh, sure. But like, Watching this from Kenbos of me, I'm sorry, like, you know how people say they're sorry, but that's just another way to control the dynamic? You know what I mean? So, okay, now you're deciding that we've moved into the new phase of this conflict,

and now I have no choice, but to just like to go with you. Sorry, was a gun, yeah. I think with him. Hayes. Can you shut the fuck up? My name is Hayes. With him.

Hey, Hayes, shut up. come on hey uh shan i'm sorry wow big pause before shan to think about it for a second i'm sorry we know you guys more they're the host no it's fine like we're the ones that are supposed to know all the names is there any sense of like you guys are big dogs so it's like it's kind of fun to have a pipsqueak come in oh that's nice that's making me feel better that's like that's making me feel better That's a little better. I do. I could be so gracious now because I've been referred to as the big dog.

Yes, that's right. And now I'm giving, and now the big dog's giving you more leave. Okay, big dog, you want now. That was really smart. That's really smart to say. Wow, that's working on. Don't worry.

We are in complete control of this. So there's a foyer, the waiting area. You guys never been to Hague him to NY? See? It hasn't been for a long time. I know it's gritty, man. I know we're escaping property. Yes, I know.

That's what I'm saying. But we haven't been to the new space, actually. You haven't been to the new space. We're talking about the old space. As your producer, Emma been? And I'm always listening. You are. That's right.

It's always Emma, isn't it? Huge. The producer is just always Emma every time. Well, yeah, that helped me. You know what I mean? That helped me a lot. That made it stick. Like once it's Emma, once you find.

out the name is Emma you can relax because you're like it's an Emma and you're like and they've got an Emma too you like show up at kindergarten and even like unconsciously the teacher is putting you on producer track when you're Emma. You know what I mean? You have to be so vigilant if you're an Emma that's trying to be in a more creative capacity you have to make sure at every turn you're staking your ground staking your ground staking yeah why don't you stake it like it's pretty early by the way so even staking your ground is like you guys that made it be that way I thought you guys No, well, that sounds like it was probably Charlie.

No, it's me, but I thought it was, you. It's me. It's me. It's probably was us, but it was you. I thought it. Charlie accidentally revealed his real laugh to us just now. And that's trouble. They don't want that.

No, it was a different. It had a little, like, inhale component. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And that now lets me know nothing I've said so far. It's been funny to Charlie. No. Because I heard that real one. He gets giggled and tickled in different ways.

Different ways. I got different modules. I haven't heard a single peep at either of you, afterwise, by the way. Stone-faced. We're trying, we're pulling out all the stops here. When I talk about the table, I just use that as a proxy for like where the places that the real comedy is happening there. So like you do the show, but then there's like where you get to like sit around the table with the other New York comedians and like say the shit that you can't say. This is the problem.

That's the foyer. Yeah. Because it's all open-concept. I want to say this, the headcomb office, at least the one that I know, which we don't have anymore, it has this New York thing. If it's in a big office building, you want to go to the bathroom, you have to get the key. And it is shared on the whole floor. And it's like a men's room. So it's just like there's a stall in there and a urinal.

It's not like that here. It's not good when you have a guess. Is the security front desk person? Are we trying to turn him into a character? like are we are we like trying to find qualities that we can all be talked about he wears a knicks hat he needs to go he likes to take a little nap okay oh yeah it's really tired i'm always trying to be like kind of friendly so that we don't want to that we don't want to talk i think he's like let's leave it's more just like i'm sorry you got to sit there man and

anyone who wants to bust into new york had gum and take the little chairs from the the fake plans and books the other funny thing is the elevator is time Tiny. That's true. Elevedo. The little alveito is crazy small. So you'd be in there with like a girl going to Pilates with like the biggest rock on her finger you ever saw in your life. And then it's like me and try like, yes.

It's a bit like. And the girl's like, okay, excuse me. So funny. Did she actually say that? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You haven't been to New York. The girls are rude. The button.

I've, I've been. I haven't been in the New York head gum office but I've been to the city where do you like to go it's gritty downtown I go to

the Bernard Telsey casting office so take a cab from the airport yeah I just go straight to Telsey bring a sleeping bag anything going on

so what's coming up yeah when I was there last time I think they were reading for I love you Beth Cooper. Okay.

I still don't know if I got or not. Oh, I love you, Beth Cooper. Who's in that again? You're probably in the mix. Sarah. Ideally, I would be. Sarah Cooper.

Sarah Cooper. Sarah Cooper's in it? What? Beth Cooper? Isn't it? Of course. They think they're sibling. Yeah, okay.

Sarah Cooper is like Beth's sister. They need you to read stuff for Sarah Cooper to like pretend to be saying. Uh-huh. So she can pretend to say all the different stuff. in the movie. When Trump got reelected.

Yeah. That was not good. Yeah. What it did? Here I am and everyone was like. Sarah Cooper had the movie. I know. I know.

I know. Sarah Cooper. And I think by the way, I think we're talking about Sarah Hyland. Sarah Cooper. I got it. Yes. I was waiting.

I'm talking about her. I'm helping. I'm saying that she pretends to say so. That was helpful for me. Not enough, apparently. I thought that was something pride of me. When he got her, too. It must have been like.

I know, but guys, you know, and by the way, you know, and don't talk like you don't know, that I was talking about Sarah Highland from modern family. She was talking about Sarah Highland. And of course I knew that. Sarah who? And Sarah Highland is married to. Sarah Chalk from Sarah Chalk. Sarah Chalk. E.J.

or whatever? E.M. or whatever. Elliot? Elliot. Elliot, yeah. So, Elliot, Sarah Chalk also was new Becky on Roseanne and, of course, the voice of Morty's sister. So, but.

mom but and then Sarah Highland is married to Mordy's sisters named Mr. Cooper Wells. In this case it's Morty's mom Wells from the Bachelor he's the bartender on Bachelor of Paradise Yo, yo, yo, yo. But Sarah Cooper and I have heard this watched the election results. I'm not saying this is good or bad

she watched the election results roll in with a big bib tucked into her shirt and a forked at night and was banging on the table. With a big bib, banging on the table. That's right. Right. Yeah, but we did that. Yeah, it was good for everyone.

During the election. For comedy. For comedy. For comedy. It's been incredible. It's just been amazing. Look at us. Yeah.

Look at how we're doing. We're the kings of the world. I heard that Sarah Highland fell asleep before their results came in. She didn't. She was a wake me up when this whole thing is over. Well, she's doing Broadway. So, you know, you got to go to bed early. You have to wake up.

You have to. Oh, my God. You can't really drink. You're not supposed to have dairy. Yeah. She's doing the... Big C-Path... Asimizer.

She's doing the... Nebulaizer. She's doing the nebulizer. I just watched a clip of Sarah Highland on Modern Family on TikTok last night. Oh, Charlie's in... Damn, dude, which episode? The one where she...

By the way, I've never really seen the show. So I'm just watching... You've only seen about 70 hours of clips. I've seen almost every clip they have on TikTok. I've never seen... Was it the compilation that's like Phil Dunphy locked in mode? Where he's being like a really tough dad. And that's different between our algorithm

because it's like that's not going to get to me. I'm going to get to like Gloria moments. Like, oh, wow. She gets a word wrong. Phil Dunphy, locked in the show, something I've gathered, a gag is that she's an incredible shot. She shoots very well with a gun.

Okay. Get Gloria a gun. G, G, G, G, G. That's G, G. That's G, you know, on set, they'd probably be like triple G. It's a triple G. That's right.

So, no, in this one, Sarah Highland. When does that come up in the show? When she choose. Probably when Ed Helms takes her to do. DeWange. Ed Helms. Ed Helms. You're on first names, I just have to say. Your first name game is incredible.

Have not missed a first name. Last names are a growth area for sure. But we love to focus on. Yeah. And I completely hear that. I've already integrated it. And I just want to add a little context, which is that I kind of feel like if you guys get the spirit of what I'm saying, the last name is more so just color.

And it's so clear that you feel that way. Like that was not lost on me at all. Right. You know? So it's like I love that it's being underlined. Right. That was coming through. So.

And then I think I still would, I still would agree with what Hayes is saying, which is last name is probably a growth area. A growth area. So it means you could grow on that. Okay. Hey, by the way,

I'm so sorry. The last name stuff, by the way, I got defensive, obviously. I don't care about any of that stuff. Why do I know someone's last? It's obviously. Ed? It's gross that I know anyone's last name.

And Charlie's like, now you want me to say something so you tell me to shut up. Tell her, tell me to shut up. I'm sorry. You didn't like that. Didn't like that. Not even as a joke. Not even as a joke. Not even as a joke. Who are the presences? Like, who are we? Well, one of us is.

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That's code 50 the boys at greenchef.com slash 50 the boys. Who are we passing as we're coming in and out of head come New York? Like, is Caleb? Caleb, legit. We are seeing Caleb, for real. He's heaven on earth. Yeah. Once you're in, you're in.

With him? Yeah, I mean, that's what I'm feeling. 100%. And have y'all done that show or Caleb done your show? Yeah, legit-ski. And let me tell you something. He's amazing. He's extremely quick.

I find him to be like Robin Williams. Yeah. Legitimately. And by the way, first, last name, stuck the landing. I'm not even talking about a different Robin. Okay. It's like you met Robin from that. He's not.

You met Robin Given. Robin from how I met your mother. I'm a huge fan. Yeah. I don't think he's like Robin Williams at all. Really? He's not doing, he's fast, but he's not doing, he's not doing a lot of different voices. Different voices.

Yeah. Imagine if you only saw Mrs. Outfire. But maybe you're thinking of Robin Quivers. Is that the problem? Okay, that might be right. Is that from. Let's just say who that is really quick.

Yeah. Really? That is from Howard Stern. Yes. That's cool. This is like Howard Stern. I'm revealing so much. Yeah, you're being very personal.

Yeah. Yeah, and people can't turn it off. They hate you're offending everyone, but they can't wait to hear what you say next. I know. It's very Howard Stern-esque. She can't help it. I'll lick the mic.

There's Caleb who are we like bringing in some like big talent who do stuff other than podcasts? That's what we're doing here. Really? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, two hosts? Yeah.

Ege Munna. Musicians. Soccer players. Allison Williams. Alice Williams. Yes. I did her podcast. She's in there?

That was difficult. What did y'all talk about? No event. I mean, she was amazing. Well, it was a challenge. Couldn't keep up? Here's the, first of all, what the mother fucking crap. No, basically, you got my guy.

Shit, fuck. The podcast is about, like, parenting, which I'm not. Are you guys? Baby, baby, baby, toddler, and a baby, toddler, and a baby and a little one. Three, two, two, three. Three, two, two, two, two, two, two. two and two of course there's the little one that's not their baby a little one

that of course we have a year the little one child toddler baby little one and a kid teen big guy you guys got your big guys your babies your toddlers your helpers so how many kids do you have each of you we it's okay just say it quickly it's fine it helps me it just orientes I really

wanted to know we each have two just throw up your number we each have two great that's what I started with I want credit for starting there even though I then talk for an hour. So what is that? That's shared. Yes, that's true.

So for total. Four total. Vendai grew completely separate. The way you guys each have two kids has me flat on the floor. Not me each having two kids. That's so funny. So you guys knew each other before you had kids

and then you grew up a little bit. You settled down. You had your two kids. but you kept the fun going. How's that so funny? How's that so funny? Who says that's funny? Do they know each other?

It's hilarious. Y'all, I'm cracking up. I guess I kind of get it. To be honest, I think it's the kind of thing where you don't have POV on it. But from the outside. I'm too close to it. This is water. Legit.

You're that fish. Yes. You're the fish. DFW, baby. Dallas Fort Worth. Hey? DFW? Yeah.

Yeah. Okay. So Allison, Basically, the podcast is awesomely about being a mother. Yes. And so they had me on because I was a nanny. Oh, because you were a nanny. And it was seriously just ended up being them, like, asking me, like, extremely personal questions. Oh.

About, like, when are you going to have kids? It's her and you're, like, 20 best friends. Yeah, yeah. And so I was just, like, talking out of my ass about shit I didn't know about kids and being like, yeah just pay your nanny like a lot like if you can just pay them like the top dollar you could ever pay someone and then then being like we do that and me being like period and then being like are you going to have kids and me being like that's seriously like a tough subject and then it wrapped and then I went to and we have the same producer so I pulled her aside and I was

like you got cut that right and she was like it's never going to come out came out the other week but no one never listened to it yeah how long is it I don't know like 20 amazing I didn't listen to it. I didn't engage with it. Wow. I have to hear more about your... Oh, and I look like shit and fucking crap on the video. At least get HMU.

You guys do that, right? We do it after. We do it right after. On the way out the door, you are going to look the best ever looked in your life. Try to plan some errands for right after the show. You get like a blowout. You know what I'll tell you something? The guys, you might think that they don't like you.

They love you. That's the first thing you need to know. The second thing, you're going to leave with a blowout. you'll be dancing on air the rest of the day you're filming recording in dry bar it's amazing here why did you get fired from being a nanny oh wait a dang second

I think you made an ass out of you and me for a second there because the truth is I quit oh damn I am one of the best nannies on planet Earth by the way if you knew me in this capacity you would be trying to pay me hundreds of millions of dollars

to remain with your children you as well She's honestly passionate about the work. I will say that Natalie's coming in, doing research. You better be. She's reading. She's watching TikTok. She's saying, this is a strategy. I got strategy.

You want to tell about the write it down strategy? Why don't you tell them about the right-and-down? No, because they really have kids. Talk about it. Do you guys know about this? Well, what if I want to write it down? I didn't know you watched TikTok. Maybe I do want you.

Go ahead. Cool ass ho. Because the truth is, yes, it helps my work. The other truth is, I am. am one of the most unreliable nannies on planet earth and that is a really crucial part of the job right is like you show up so that the parents can go somewhere else that part I was not hitting I was texting every day oh my god I threw my back out I'm throwing up they're leaving you're like walking out with them legit where are we going tonight I was on my phone most of the time but when I was engaged with the kid Heaven. It was amazing. Move on.

Well, yeah, I do need to get something, anything else. Well, I do want to go back to I'm so fascinated by, yeah, your producer saying right after the record that it was never going to come out. She was more so saying, she was saying more so they are going to edit this very heavily. So most of this is not going to make it in. And then when you, did you listen? I didn't listen. But even the clips I saw, I was saying some stuff stayed. Yeah, she's going there, Allison, isn't she?

Mm-hmm. On that show. Yeah. She's got to be. Because, okay, so there was a little more there to be, to be plumbed. Sounds like she didn't get it all. She's going there. She didn't dig into that we could get out.

Yeah. Yeah. She didn't talk at all about your kids. Okay. Okay. Yeah. So, there we go back there. Yeah.

I want to say I was trying to be like, oh, how old are they? Nothing. It took forever to get you guys to say that you each had two kids. No overlap. Yeah. No overlap. Yeah. They just don't want to talk about that.

Does your audience not like it? Well, we wanted to like... Yeah, our audience likes to imagine that they could be our kids. Right, right. And we try to maintain that a little. They're like, we have kids a secret and we don't, we haven't revealed who they are yet. Is your audience like so appealing? Our audience are really little.

Mm-hmm. They like to imagine that we could be their dad. Yeah, yeah. So when they, you don't, when we talk about having, like, kids already, it's kind of, yeah. It's kind of a fantasy that we're like a killer. For that, you know, and if, like, we just met at the right to. time like after a show or something you could be to get adopted yeah but what they need to understand yeah yeah you could take them to a park now but they need to understand i was saying is

that love is like a it's not like a pie it's more so like what's that about how it's unlimited it's like a pie factory so basically the more kids they have the more likely they are to be your dad so more so think that it's a big so it's helping you guys what else should I say to them? That's true of a pie factory, isn't it? If you keep having to do one of them might end up being a listener. Like, it's so much more likely that they're going to do more. That's right.

Yeah. But there's economic factors as well. No, there's not. Do you guys want to ask if we have kids? That was one of my triggers. He's saying I was told that's a really tough subject. I mean, me. Because nobody has asked her invoked the idea, oh, a gay guy can't have or want to have kids or have some

relationship. This is an issue with you guys. I forgot you were gay and there Look at how far away I am Legit. I know and it was a concern for you And I just realized like his nightmare is coming true You know what it's actually fine You know what I realized we're going to do

Not for this episode but for our next one Are you kidding me? Well we just don't have the time or the resources We are going to make our own We complain all the time about this setup Right like what is this room is tough This is not talking about because there's a room For someone to come up behind you

There's that oh yeah No, there's a curtain, and there's a sliding door back there, you know, behind that curtain. You're going to warn you, by the way. You're going to Ellen prank us or something? I have so much to keep track of. I'm like the kind of the one that keeps the show and selling. I'm just doing my own thing, but they're behind that curtain is a legit, a sliding door. Really?

Oh, yeah. Absolutely. And like a patio. So it's truly as a creeper, a prowler at any time could be coming in there. That's why I don't sit on that couch. What we're going to do is we are going to make our own table setup in here. and like what and they can deal with it afterwards yeah and like and I think it will become you're gonna do like would work in actually part of the furniture and it is the furniture you

guys should honestly it's like you're talking about the table is where the actual funny stuff happens put the mics on the table but then it's like the mics on a table why don't you do that as a special you know you said you you have a million Patreon things you should add that one to it's like a table a table the table ups this is where the real stuff happens we said and that's another tier yeah three three three three bonus episode three bonus episodes right that's what he said yeah and say a million patron thingies but i'm showing you that i heard you by interpreting your words but i didn't do a good job because it's the foyer waiting area the foyer yeah waiting area i'm feeling

with you guys that like i would love more shared projects so i don't have to be like now we're dealing with her thing now we're talking about i want to talk about the grub street diet i want to talk about the grub street diet now but that means i have to say goodbye going to have to like to Natalie for a little while, right? So just trust that I will get in there. Yeah. Okay.

Trust you mean. Also, you could ask about our podcast, but you don't. But you can. It's about, it's about topics, yes. Don't, do not. You walk this into this, Charlie. I feel horrible. Come on, brother.

Come on. Honestly, can we talk about my Grub Street? Not wanting to talk about your podcast is a corner that we've been on for a very They don't want us. And I feel like to get together and talk how much. They don't want us. We don't want to not talk about our podcast. Let's talk about revenue split.

Right now we're at 6040. them us legit we have negotiated that down we've been up and down the split based on how we're doing and right now we lost a lot of leverage because we stopped doing these AI ads

so we're at a 6480 spot by the way I like to be topped so no problem take your turn and we'll get back on top later and it's good to be underestimated you know what I mean we're an underdog status just do you wait we're about to run this town

and we're on Hollywood fucking handbook is that my camera motivation mindset They made it. They didn't want this to happen. They made it. They made it. Well, look at how early we're doing this. It's 7 a.m.

We had to literally basically wake up at the crack of dawn. It's like we're hiking a mountain. No, but they have kids. They have enough for hours. Oh, my gosh. Who are we staying with? I mean, do you have your people that you stay? Or are we in a hotel?

Yeah, yeah. You know, like this. Go ahead. You start. So normally I stay with my friend Aiton. Shout out. But this time, I didn't because of something in the house was just different. I couldn't.

I can't explain it. It's private. Then this time I am staying with... Missing blankets. What? Couldn't find the blankets. I couldn't find that there's a couch issue. Anyway, I am staying in this house of this guy who has a rabbit.

I'm rabbit sitting. We met on Hinge. He was like, I'm coming to New York. I was like, oh, no, I'm going to L.A. And I was like, do you want an apartment swap? He's like, I actually have a place to stay. Do you want to take care of my rabbit in Echo Park? Does he want kids?

I think he does. The rabbit? The rabbits do. As a rule. The rabbits do, yeah. Let me really just intuitively try to figure out if Robert wants kids. I mean, like, I'm in ninth grade. Like, it's a metaphor. Like, he's got the rabbit around.

The rabbits are about wanting kids. Procreation. Natalie said that. I feel like it was Natalie who ultimately brought that up. I feel like it was me that. Highlighted it. I appreciate it. I can't even remember who came up with that insight.

I'm glad it happened. You're effing like rabbits. But then cut to the reality is you're scooping the rabbit poopie. He's nowhere to be found. So that's expectation. It's interesting that I'm in this guy's house and then I'm here with his rabbit and the rabbit is kind of like, hi, like I live here, like welcome, but I get to choose when it goes in the hutch or not. And I'm... What are we dealing with Angora, a lot beard? I mean, what do we do? It's a lot beard. That's amazing, by the way. I've never even heard that. Wait, you know about this. So you're like the you. Yeah, like you're knowing about like the rabbits. Come on. Forget it. Yeah. Let's talk about gross street diet. what i mean like and i don't want to

dredge up anything like sensitive but like jeremy and rajok got to do theirs together was there any there's together yeah they did their grubs treat diet oh oh what uh and was there ever any like charlie being like do you want are you eating food this week do you want to

no i know rub street would have liked more i get shout outs oh she's she gets a big shout out You know, that's not, honestly, occurred to me. Totally. Me neither, honestly. Well, also because it's like, what did they do for theirs? Like, they, you can't eat together, or they did always eat together? Or it's like, okay, we were apart.

I had a bagel. He had chips. I think, yeah, they just said the different food that they, I mean, like, it doesn't seem like a logistical nightmare. Is anyone else over them? I mean. I know. Like, just hearing about this way to do this diet together. I'm just, honestly. I am into them.

You just got it? I just found out that I wasn't following. Jeremy on Instagram. So I followed him the other day because he was suggested to me. I was like, whoa, that's crazy. I don't follow him. And then I ran into him that night and he was like, thanks for the follow. And I was like, damn.

That's not funny, but it is kind of funny. There's something funny to it. So why aren't you laughing? Sometimes when you do see that you don't follow someone, you go, well, I kind of can't now. Because I'm just alerting them. We haven't sent a message to be like, hey, sorry. Unfollowed by that or something.

Have you ever gotten one of those messages? It's like, how do I not follow you already? It's like, I don't know. There's a few comedians who don't follow me in a way where I'm like, that is seriously feeling pointed, actually. And I can't say the names because they are. But maybe that's what Jeremy was saying about me. But we know the names.

It's the entire ticket of the Riyadh comedy festival. I'm like, are you serious? We hang out all the time and you can't even follow me that. We're about to do a festival together. Literally, you're going to be hanging out. I'm going to tag you. You're going to repost it. You don't follow me?

Are you serious? You're going to be on one of those special planes together? And were you feeling like Grub Street came out, like, just too late for you to get booked on that? Because I feel like... Yeah, for like the promo stuff for the Riyadh. Yes. The RCF. Yeah.

Well, it changed everything for me, the Grub Street thing. Yeah. Well, it's like, by the way, it's like let it be known. It's like I did the Grubster diet almost like a week later flew out to Hollywood. Yeah. And now we're doing this. And now we're doing it. It's like...

That has to get booked, right? You got to admit. Oh, my God. Absolutely. Oh, my God. But it became a denial, but we got to get him now. And we were just going to have him, but then you were actually name-checked in it. Yeah.

Right. You were like, let's bring his mom. I feel like that would be fun. In the Goop Street diet. So I want to read it. Like, I'm actually, should we read it now? Like, I'm actually really wanting. Let's pull it up.

Let's pull it up. No. Oh my God. It's cartoon. Yeah, but can I say something? But, yeah. Can I say you look a little better than that in real life? I know.

Okay. I just want to validate that for you. So, by the way, nothing is. free like nothing in life wait but it is beautiful and I'm also remembering that an artist made it I know that's why I'm like so let's be careful but I don't love the picture I sent in or something somehow I made this happen it's my nose I don't like how I look I think it's the facial hair which like you have stubble like what you use like a trimmer every like whoa these are hair this

guy knows the term oh shit y'all talking trimmers I'll go outside it's Lopiard yes yes that's right it's a Lopiard facial hair yes I can I can see, and they've also, they've made your nose slightly wider than it isn't real life. That's what it is. And that's, that's the first thing that I noticed that I go, and it's, by the way, I think it looks nice. By the way, are you a visual guy? No, not at all. I'm so visual.

Not at all. I'm a very visual person. That's interesting. Yes. Everything is like, I have to see it. Right. So is this helping you? I'm looking at it.

You're like, oh my God, that's you. I'm a very visual person. You can recognize that. Yes, yes, yes. He's looking at stuff all the time. Yeah. He's got a look. No, you know, this is actually totally

And it's fine This whole thing This, this, this, this It's like a total exercise in humiliation And it's fine I'm happy to be here I love working in the entertainment industry I seriously

It's the best It's all humiliating We get to play for fun We get to play for work This is work Other people have to be humiliated It's a dream And they don't get kind of an accidental way

Where they're like wow, what the fuck That wasn't what I'm at work right now Zoom out I'm at work right now It's so much You're at work actually. I'm more volunteering. Like, just to pencil of your calendar does to be humiliated.

By the way, now that we're doing double-docks, and then you go out of you privately. And then you get to treat it really seriously. Oh, sure. And when it's not happening for a while, you get really sad. And I'm loving seeing him as an adult. Like, can somebody humiliate me, please?

And I love your vibe. So I'm like, this is going to be a little bit to look at the actual diet. Yeah. Because I mean, I can just look at the picture. I'm like, I get a big girl that you get some stuff out of it. But Wednesday, This is the first time, bro.

I'm hoping that it's the beginning of a trail. Every morning if I'm home, I have the same breakfast. Greek yogurt watered down a little bit. And I'm playing with, I'm going through the language fast. Like, your language is like carefully chosen. And I just like. You're changing the words as I come? I have to change it a little bit just for, but I have to explain that.

We want people to be like, I wonder the words he's editing out. If you really want the full experience, go check, click the article. You know what I mean? Click. Click. And I also am always kind of editing as I go. Of course. Like, well, I think the, like, cut that.

Yeah, totally unnecessary. It could just get right. So I'm just thinking that that's really impressive, like, that you can, like. I can't not do it. Honestly, like, it sucks. I have to be making things better just as I go through it. It sucks. I wish I could just read something and just, like, not fix it.

Okay. Greek yogurt water down a little bit. What's your watering tool straight from the distiller? Or straight tal-laker. New York, New York tap, baby. NYT. that sometimes I'll use the container but only if it's empty

you know I did it this morning you did two acrony well you did RCAF on the Riad Comedy Festival as well but you know he's very fath and he's mathematically minded and the alphabet is a set of numbers yeah it is you got them all right symbols representing yeah I feel like so known

he plays he plays he plays totally sweet and everybody's reading this stuff even though they're kind of making fun of it it's your birthday right let's just do it it's my birthday it was look at by the way what they're advertising on your article I feel like that's fun to think about for the algorithm What does Maga taste like? Check this out. I got a word for him.

Check this out. He's acro nimble. Holy crap, right? So y'all are kind of. Check that out. You guys would love my mom. Check that out. Oh my God.

I got to get you in a room with my mom. She would flip about acro nimble. Wow. This is how she would say. You know what? You're acro nimble. And then she would say it all day. She'd be like, because we're acro nimbleologically gifted.

You took a lot of space, actually. I kind of do what I had. forever to get it. It was a huge pause. You know? I think that's cool, by the way. No, but I'm also... My mom is not doing what she's not like...

She's not playing like that. Yeah. That's okay. What does she do? Yeah. What does she do? Let's talk about the water and the yogurt. What is with you guys?

You're completely evasive. Scroll up a little bit. Please, Kevin. So look at what they're advertising. Look at B... What is that say? Register for an upcoming webinar on Bik Bik Bik Bik B. There's an upcoming webinar.

Your treatment and sense. Your treatment and... All right, before it was cinnabund so let's just move on i actually think it is maybe a like uh what's it called a we go oh no there it is sinny minis sinny minis any marries and a street time sinny minis okay blueberries and a little jam what kind of jam bon mamma oh yeah sure isn't that amazing how it's still like homemade it's like a homemade jar i mean those jars are legendary yeah they are it they're everything they're completely the tea i love them well it's from bon mammo

Fremboise, aka raspberry. He already told you to flavor, but you were so much not knowing French that you even missed it. Also, I did too. And is that good mommy? That's exactly right. Oh, crap.

I am in the role of teacher when it comes to me. It is completely essential to my life that I wake up and have basically the same thing every day. I always get my blueberries from Mr. Cale, my favorite grocer in the city. That sounds good. It's great.

They have great stuff. It's open all night, 24 hours, and they're one of these places they do wholesale produce, so it's cheaper. Da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da, whatever. That's near my house. In New York City, that's where I live. I wonder if, like, when you do this again, my next one? Yes. Like, obviously, like, this is, like, generating heat for you, but, like, is there something that could have cut through more?

Has anyone done, like, a Paul Bunyan? type. It's tough that you pulled this up and then we're like, we're going to play with this. And then we got to like water the yogurt down and you're like, all right. You know what? Let's maybe pivot to like this is what they do. I know, I know. Teasing. It's fun. No, no, no, I know. I'm taking it really easy. It's good. I feel really held. It's not a problem. This is how they show up. No, this is absolutely the perfect. No, this is absolutely the perfect. You know, bear cubs actually eat each other. Or lions, you know, dogs when they play, they'll scratch the bite.

They have their mouth on the ears. No, they're not. Yeah. No, but they are just a little bit. A little bit, yes, a little bit. It's actually how they learn. So what's Paul Bunyan? That's like a steak, eggs, sausage. Paul Bunyan is like a train comes and all the cool parts are full of pancakes and like they like take an entire tree and they like sap it to make the syrup. You know, I want to say creatively, this was the thing I was really reckoning with in the process of writing this where I was like, you know, I could be honest and that might be banal and kind of boring even. Or I could try to orchestrate it so that it's a little more exciting.

So, oh, I got breakfast with this person, we did something crazy. We went to such a park. We got dumped him. You're like, I'm taking out yogurt. Crash. Yeah. Through the window. Through the window.

There's a spaceship in my apartment. I have my yogurt. I go to work. Whatever. Something like that. But I was like, I'm going to be really honest here. And maybe in the mundanity, there will be profundity. That was what I was gambling for.

And you know what I'm realizing is I couldn't handle it. Totally. And so I was taking it to like the crazy, you weren't even ready to show how many kids. You won't even say. anything to us. Unfortunately, I saw myself in here. It would be jokes. It would be not real.

You're not ready to take it here. I thought I was going to pull up an article and start laughing. And instead, I pulled up a damn mirror. And I didn't love what I saw. You started realizing shit. You're almost crying. And it's not the first time this episode. No, I know.

You've been on the verge? Let's make those blue eyes water. It's been hit to me. you know when we knew we were coming on the podcast we said let's make those blue eyes water he said what's our intentions for this episode let's make those blue eyes water and we have and we will and natalie's entering now oh yeah let's read the natalie i record my podcast exploration live with my co-host natalie is a hyperlink go to oh i know what it is probably it's our vulture feature actually stupid this we were actually featured together one two three eyes on here how comedians you should

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