Hollywood Handbook - Zach Cherry, Our Emmy-Nominated Friend

Episode Date: January 6, 2026

The Boys are a little confused why ZACH CHERRY is back on the show but soon realize he's come to tell them about some of his closest friends.Get a Hat Pack Hat here!Watch the video of today��s episode at Patreon.com/HollywoodHandbook This is a Headgum podcast. Follow Headgum on Twitter, Instagram, and Tiktok. Advertise on Hollywood Handbook via Gumball.fm See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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And when you're ready to launch, use the offer code handsome to save 10% off your first purchase of a website or domain. Bring. Small, small, small, small, small, small. Here comes Hayes and Sean. Hollywood Handbook. Bring it on. it um so what we already have a zatch i know that's the issue i feel like the last time you were here he was in our lives but he wasn't like our lives our lives and that's what it's become

that's what it's become this young man is my life my son my moon my stars That's Zatch What else is there to say So I know you sort of Drift in and out of the show The gentleman who cuts our clips Is named Zatch

Sure And you are named Zatch Yeah Do we need two Yeah What is it I'm leaning no I don't have any

I don't have anything to do with the clips or work for or with you guys. So it doesn't seem like it's much of a... Zach Cherry. Zach Cherry. You think your parents were just trying to say Zachary? There's a chance. I don't know the origin of mine.

I don't know why they got my name. I would love just to build a foundation of honesty. Oh, wouldn't that be nice? I do regret. I regret sitting in between. 48 minutes together. Immediately I regret sitting in between you. there's

I just think the podcast will go a little better for all of us if we I know I'll be more comfortable just have a modicum of honesty in our exchange today you say you have nothing to do

the clips you don't want anything why then do I see you making such crazy effort to be noticed by us by walking around in the background of other people's content. Right.

Wearing our hat. Sure. A hat which you mysteriously don't have on today. Well, if we want to be fully honest and transparent, that is not one of your hats because your heads do not fit my giant head. That is a hat that my wife bought for me and put an ironed one of your things on it. I'll be right back. unbelievable and Kevin is going to throw up from all the lies that that that's not

that's not a lie I I received one of your wonderful hats from Kevin it didn't fit my noggin my wife remedied the situation who it did appear in the video you say remanied to remanied it she remanied it she's exposing exactly the scientologists destroyed a lot of people's hard work is what they is what she did that's what you think lea and for what i mean a lot of people work really hard on scientology yeah yeah doesn't happen by accident it's still it is still that's what we were trying to do basically with this with that the hat pack mm-hmm yeah was create your own yes and i got to say like if anything i'm tired your goal just think it's really sad that your wife stayed up all night hammering a patch into your hat

and then she's so tired the next day and you take the opportunity to step out with an unidentified woman that was the farmer's market that was my wife that was that was okay walking through a farmer's market doesn't make her your wife let's see let's see if this uh let's see if this fits the nagon let's test it out what's special about that one Kevin big and tall oh it is big and tall I only need one of those

yeah okay yeah that looks good I mean it's gonna give me a headache but it fits on my head well then we're even fucking guy I just wish I wish I could just watch a cheese pole these days it was noodles

and I wish I wish these cheese pools would just be cheese again can we stop making it everything but cheese at the cheese pole because half the time it's as Zach points out noodles

and you're pretending not to notice when you're in the video you're pretending not to know that you're like in the background of a thing meanwhile you've you've clocked the exact type of content being produced my man is scouted out I clocked it after the time

could I make this about me oh oh a camera oh check it out a camera are you sure what if your wife sees it no no no this is my wife now I was with my wife

yeah see now you'll be my wife the riddle of the I can't operate on this boy he's my son she is my wife sir why aren't you with your wife this is my wife let's face it you were trying to have a cold play concert moment no one cared

well now just is the first thing you brought up on your podcast was the first thing you brought up yeah on my podcast which no one cares about I guess that's that's fair I do I do I was hoping to sort of have

have a good relationship like a more pleasant interaction today because it has gotten contentious in the past but I was I'm sitting very openly why so why So why did you start off by lying? You know, I felt like...

Do you think we won't like the real you? I felt like I was being honest. That's so fascinating. I really don't know what you both want. That's so interesting. That's what you feel like honesty is. Felt like he was being honest. That's so...

Oh my God, that's so sick. Well, he's an actor. I guess so. He's an actor. He's an actor. He's an actor. He lies as... Thank you.

He performs for a living. He makes beliefs so hard that he even believes that he's, you know, doing the experiments on people's brains or whatever on whatever the show is. Where is he in there at all? Thank you for acknowledging my work. What have you been doing? Yes, this, that part.

Today? Last time you were here, we talked about your appearance. on the Severance Podcast I remember that Yeah What's what's been up Is that episode still the lowest Rated one they have

Is that one? I don't tell me the numbers I Oh it was I haven't there was like an article Or something about how Had the fewest listens of any of the I was on every episode Severance podcast episode

I've never heard of one episode Of a podcast Putting the show That the podcast is based on in Jeopardy. Yeah. That is like you never heard of that before. The one you listened to,

the one we talked about was one of my appearances, but I appeared in every episode of the podcast. Okay, I guess that was the primary one where they were interviewing you, yeah? One of the, one of the, I appeared. So it's a show where they just interview you. That was part of it. In every episode.

That was part of it. It's not my show Because I see the guest Well it seems to be the only part You want to talk about Yeah I see the guest listed In the title of the episode

And there's one where they say you Okay And then there's like And there's like You know 40 or 50 higher rated ones They don't have like a lot of listens They don't put your names in every episode Of Hollywood handbook

Unless that's changed Kevin I don't know When I listened And you know what I actually can't speak to whether or not they do Because I just come here and I kind of, like, I just chat with people. Yeah.

And then I go home to my family and I sort of live my life. I don't painstakingly document every one of my appearances, what the show was, whether my name was in the episode title, whether it was noodles or cheese, what kind of hat I had on, whose wife was that? Now, you're accusing me of documenting all these things. I just feel like, every scene I know a lot about your own shit. Every single thing you mentioned is something that you brought up. I didn't. Well, I'm interested in you. I'm interested in other people.

And then when you throw it back on to me, I'm at sea. I'm lost because you're going like, well, does it say your name and your time? I'm like, I don't know. Because I'm just here actually to learn about you and talk to you. I'm here to learn for sure. But I guess you think I'm here to be taught more than to learn. I was getting that. Actually, you're supposed to know this about me.

Mm-hmm. I mean, I was just, I was asked to approach today with honesty. Who am I? With honesty. Hayes, who am I being? It's noodles. I mean, I think he could probably answer that. He knows everything he's ever said.

It's like, it's a parenthetical, it's an emergency. It feels like you're doing a derogatory. depiction of me literally in the kindest way possible i'm trying to just recreate the moment that we had so that you can see how you sound to us it doesn't feel like that it doesn't feel like that it feels like you are mocking but i understand that that's me because it happened like two and a half minutes ago i do remember that uh knows how long it's been it's like yes like the time code playing in his head. It really is, yeah.

It's like, who's a character that, like, remembers everything? Memento. It's, like, Memento. It's like he doesn't remember. It's like, if Memento, it's like, if Memento, I don't mean to.

Was unaware of anyone else. I don't mean. You know what I mean? You know what I mean? Yes. It's like if Memento only knew about him. Memento doesn't remember anything.

Everyone. He's very giving with his, with his memories. And the whole thing of Memento is that he can't remember anything So he has to like write it down and tattoo himself If you were in it I would trust your memory of it Because I would know that you had memorized everything about it That was before my time since you weren't in it

Yeah since you weren't in it you probably are there are budging it a little bit And not intentionally pretend snoring through it There are other characters who remember things Sherlock Holmes or or Adrian Monk. Mr. Monk. Or Sike guy.

But Memento was a, was, it's going to sound harsh, Memento was a bad example of what you were trying to talk about. And I'm not, I don't, you're putting me in this position to teach you, which I didn't come here to do. I came here to learn,

just like anyone but then when you when you compare me to the memento guy I have to step in and let me know when you're done because this is just make sure I forever I just want to make sure

I don't want to interrupt you again which I assume must be part of where the disconnect is happening let me know when you're done and then I'll chime in I'm just I need to make sure if there's any other better characters you could have chosen you mentioned Sherlock Holmes

Sherlock Holmes Mr. Monk Mr. Adrian Monk Syke Syke guy Famous for remembering things I mean I don't You're the expert

Not what I'd Dexter Not what I would have said About any of the four of them Does Dexter have a good memory Probably has to Zatch The guy on Because he's not done

He's gonna let us know what he's done scrubs because you have to take the doctor test so all right I'm done I'm done he's done so the ending was

the guy on scrubs it seemed like you had never heard of the concept of a doctor I when I said as soon as I said doctor the fear in Hayes' eyes that I might ask him what that is or what they do

which just shut me down so I'm done are you yes I'm done the best I think the best episodes of a podcast have a little bit of a give and take don't they the Severance podcast

Castle Castle has a pretty good memory well he remembers the books that he wrote right i mean you are like castle all his it's all his own shit this reminds me of what of my books reminds me of something that some of my shit oh this is so my book coded oh my god oh it's giving my shit yes he's like i think i figured it out they're ripping me off it's like brother michael no michael myers here's my question michael myers here's Here's what's kind of like hanging over the conversation. He doesn't forget he's going after.

I think you think that Emmy would have fixed you. Yep. Would have been nice. Yep. What I think is happening here is you're acting out as sort of a message you've gotten worse. To the voters to say we can, we can fix all this. We don't have to do any of this.

This can all go away. more of this well don't say we'll never know well we'll never know if that one would have fixed me so that that's really the position you're going to take it had to have been that one

no but we'll never know how that I didn't even want it now I don't want it now I don't want that one you finally like a toddler's throwing a tantrum I don't want that one go here take the my friend take the piece of candy what friend my friend Tremel

and is this the problem that I see people as friends that you saw him as a friend I do I do see him instead of an enemy combatant you were in the arena my friend I'm running the 100 100 yard dash

this guy is smoking me from my left oh shit there goes my friend oh my buddy actually wants to get to the finish line here you go that is how I don't see it as a lane I don't see art as competitive and you see what you do as art quote I don't see art as competitive signed the loser

well a signature as well it's not just written out he signed it that's how he signs it that's his autograph I wonder if I do wonder if it would have fixed me it doesn't I mean

I think we can't has nothing to do obviously with like what you do in the show and like your performance and all that the work on the show the actual show not the podcast about the show right that matters yeah the podcast matters thank you

and the kind of stuff Tremel is doing like he's out there He was on the podcast as well. That episode did numbers, boy. Wow, that one was fucking fire through the roof. I've listened to it a couple times, the whole thing. I've heard parts of your episode. But we wanted to sort of diagnose, right,

because the work you're doing on the show is of no consequence. it's what it is and it's and that's great and the show is being watched you know and you outside of the show have some opportunities right and had some opportunities where they were blown whether they were missed i don't you know it's not but you had some opportunities to i didn't miss my chance to be in the cheese bowl video so that was your campaign huh that's what we're trying to figure out that's what we're trying to figure out that was the entirety of your campaign

we saw Tramel we saw Tramel getting it out there putting it out there saying being brave enough to say you actually want that I kind of would like to add that that that'd be nice

you know what I mean? Sure about the Emmy Trophy yeah it seemed nice I was pretty close to it in like physical yeah physical proximity yeah

I'll never know how close I was to they don't reveal like and even then the one that they let you be close to it wasn't the real one I think and I can say that now do you no one else in your life will say that they did not let you be close to the real one they know that you thought it would fix you

that my friend won they can't risk and once again that was not the real one they no he has a real one please please please think about this You think they would let you be close to the real Emmy Trophy. I guess I did think that, but. Yeah, that was the entire idea. That's what the whole show was about.

That whole, the whole show was like a hundred pot. They didn't do that for real. They did it, they had already did it before. Yeah, they're not going to have you there. That actually makes me feel good. Yeah. That makes me feel good. Like, what's Truman's first name?

thinking about you. Hmm? What's Truman's first name? Harry. No. No. Famously. Not him.

The one from the show. Abe, maybe. Oh, wait. Are you asking for his last name? Capote? No. Okay. I'm lost.

I admit it. I'm lost. The guy from the show where everyone watched his whole life. Ed TV? The Truman Show. Maybe it was Ed. I feel, that makes me feel like Ed Truman. Ed Truman.

Knowing that they did all that for me, it seemed expensive. Let me just give you one distinction between you and Ed Truman. Actually won a golden globe for that movie. Don't squint. Ed Truman, don't think about it. Ed Truman won a golden globe. Don't, don't question whether it happened. I didn't know that.

Congratulations to him. That's my friend. that didn't directly That's your friend too It's nice to see When my friends You know Are recognized

Everyone who won that night Was your friend Is this what I'm learning? Yeah I consider it a pretty small community of artists And I'm rooting for everyone And no

Don't bring up One of those guys And try and get me on that They're not my friends But everyone else is my friend now to don't even bring up you're being very discreet about this you're like dropping hints in a very very subtle way and i maybe am taking inspiration from mr monk and psych as i see i am picking up however

he's is getting the message behind the message here have some relationship in your life that you'd rather not disclose. No, no, no, no. You might refer to as those guys. I think don't accuse me of being friends with any of those guys. Don't bring up those guys. Because I'm friends with everyone, but not those guys.

Not those guys. So don't try and put words in my mouth and say, I know you have a guy on this show who makes clips. I want to clear your throat real quick. Here's what I know. I know you have a guy on this show who makes clips. That was better. Yeah, that felt good here.

Some of the people who you've said are your friends. I'm not sure that's accurate. And so now the category of people, those guys, who you're saying are not your friends, I have to wonder if those are actually your friends. Is the inverse. They're not. And I don't even really want to get,

I just, I'm not. going to say any of those guys' names because I know you have a guy in the show who makes clips and I don't want to get caught. You don't want to be on record saying that they aren't your friends. Is that because possibly they are your friends? Just in case they get away with it. I've been

just let's be clear. Yep. Let's be clear. I'd like to I'd love that. I'd like to slow down. I vote. Yeah, I second. I second. Those guys are not my friends. Three votes for let's be clear. Those guys are not my friends.

Okay. It doesn't matter if they get away with it or not I don't like it and they're not my friends can I ask okay they aren't your friends that's on record

how many of those guys are there it's hard to keep track there's a new one of those guys like every day wow well they just got one of those guys they did how'd they do that

well were you involved how'd they get that guy they they do i mean when when they get one of them do you move one seat closer to the head of the table i am not a member of these guys community i okay here's what i'm trying i don't even say i'm not friends with those guys those guys aren't my friends there's another one every day but they just got one of them i'm not a member of those guys community i'm trying to get out ahead of what you were you as soon as soon as i said i'm friends with everyone i could see in both of your eyes yeah that you were thinking of some guys right who you were going to say well are you friends of that guy and i just wanted to not i wanted to be on record as not friends with that guy okay or any of those guys and they did they just got one of those guys

they got one of those they got one of those they got one of those guys this morning okay so i just speaking about undocumented people yes so i'm just going to put it yeah i'm just going to like make it obvious what what he's saying let's actually use language that the rest of the uh you know a world can understand and connect to so he's talking about people who don't have their formal paperwork i don't know i don't know either way i don't i don't know okay i don't think this is what the podcast should be about. I don't either. And,

and, and I was not going to accuse you. I want to say I am friends with some of those guys. Okay. I actually am friends with some of those guys. Okay.

Remember when I mentioned that you would be like sitting at the table, you know, breaking bread with these people and it was just like this instant reaction as if touched by a hot

flame. I think I thought we were jerked away. I'm not part of that community. Someone that would never I would never enjoy the taste of broken bread again. I wouldn't claim to speak for them is what I meant. Great great, great analysis.

You could see it in his, you could see the light going out. I wouldn't speak for those guys is what I meant. And just because of the language I just want to say, girls can be those guys too. girls can be those guys to they can be not yeah typically

in terms of the guys I was talking about oh Jesus in terms of guys I was talking about at the beginning it's usually guys leave no stereotype unturned my man will not rest until he has dug this grave it's usually I'm saying in terms of the type of guys who I was initially talking about it can be

girls, but it's most often guys. Zach, when I listened to the single lowest rated of this episode of the Severance podcast ever, I could feel that so much had been edited out. And I

just thought it was because as we've covered here a little bit, it was just interminable. Like the, just the length at which you would speak without pause. It was, yeah, to tighten up pauses. Unending. But now I'm realizing that it was actually for content as well.

Can we cut? Can we cut most of this stuff? I'd like to go back. Can we cut most of this stuff? We have to release this in three or four weeks. We have to release this in three or four weeks. We don't have time to edit it. Unfortunately, it comes out three or four weeks from now.

Or if we can get a bigger guest in between now and then five or six. I was. Or Christmas episode. I'm now worried about how I'm going to come off out of context in the clips that this guy. and you've already you've already kind of pitted you against each other with this other guy named

he's trying to protect what's his at this point and so I'm now a little worried about how based on some of the stuff we said about different types of guys and like what I would or wouldn't be involved with

if we could please go back here's who I'd like to talk to okay I just want to reset and say I'm sorry about those guys think it would be nice or they did or whatever i think it would be nice to reacquaint ourselves with emmy nominee

zach cherry and create a little distance from emmy loser zach cherry and who's spiraling out of control before my very eye if we can remember what it was like to be Emmy nominee. So in that brief window between... Just when everything was possible. Yeah. When the Emmy-shaped hole was finally going to be filled

and we would no longer have to act out on every podcast. Sure. I can get there. Because obviously, I mean, it was like very, very clear seeing you in that time between the nomination and the failure

that you, you you thought i'll just say that like like you thought this was a done deal it was a lock and you were headed for a crash you were out way over your skis and a lot of this stuff i started to visualize what and i didn't think they i don't think they should have said be word you thought from word you thought yeah i mean i don't i don't say that stuff but like i don't use all I don't think you know when they gave the award to Tremel I don't think they should have looked at you and said B word you thought I was that was crazy when they zoomed in on you on screen it didn't feel good it didn't feel good I think that might be kind of what's happening

with me in terms of like what I was saying earlier about what types of guys I wouldn't be friends with is you got to remember I just recently went through a like a traumatic a pretty traumatic break up with an old old lady yeah it's that shocking moment right when your perception of yourself and your life and your art as an complete utter juxtaposition with with reality and with what and with what the world is telling you is going on yeah that's really hard to cope with and people have all different strategies to sort of get back to baseline. Some of them slander the community

of, you know, undocumented. Some of the most marginalized people. That's not who I had meant. That's not who I had initially been thinking. I don't even think of those people. This is what he's saying. I don't even consider what's going on. I wasn't even aware of the guys. And I still don't want to say their names because then you'll say I'm friends with them. But I was

thinking of a different group of guys who have a, who have you seem to be thinking about them a lot yes i don't even know who you're talking about i don't know what the hand motion was thinking about them nonstop that you brought them up first and you've brought them up constantly and i think i hear someone who is searching for a community yes yes where he will be respected mm-hmm and somewhere that will embrace him and where they will give him a big prize that would be nice

yeah and not pretend to give it to him and then give it to his guy he thinks is his friend who's making fun of him and then say bitch you thought I mean

it was crazy that they I don't think he was making fun of me I was happy for him and he was it was nice he's my friend you didn't feel like his speech was making fun of you specifically

I guess some of it was yeah because like my friends don't do that when i when i lose an emmy my friends aren't like making their entire speech about me making fun of me mm-hmm including the parts of you that i didn't even think was about me yeah i didn't i didn't do a close read of it but it doesn't i'm not even in that place anymore. I'm in the window between Can I challenge that? And I would say that you are. No, I'm not. Can I challenge that with with the counterpoint

that you are there? You're still there. You're sitting in the Nokia theater. No, I'm a nominee. Let me just piggyback on what Hayes is saying and challenge that a little bit, your previous statement that you're not in that place anymore. I actually loved your instinct, Hayes, to challenge that. And I would like to issue my own challenge to that idea and to say actually you are in that same place I'm I'm not I'm a nominee and I'm not yet a loser I'm in that spot I'm in that when you're seated I'm seated you're in the sea theater Nokia theater

waiting to hear your wife is God knows where well the woman in the in the in the cheese video was next to me at the ceremony your new wife from the vital video fairly new and you are seated you are as I always like to say especially a guest like you conceded and it's all about you and it's all about you and it's all what can I get out of this you know how will this help me i mean even coming on this show today you know it's been just a non-stop promotional tour you've wanted to talk about your emmy nomination which i wasn't even thinking about it i didn't bring i didn't bring that up so would it help to do some cognitive behavioral therapy i think that yeah i think therapy can help anyone let's go back

i just want to go on the record and say i'm pro therapy for these guys i think well some of them yeah good i'm asking i mean just the way you had talked about it before it sounded like you you know didn't even want them to have help i think it's a different group of guys there's can be lots of kinds of these guys different groups uh groups of guys hollywood handbook whoever killed with the saying money can't buy happiness sure wasn't talking about rocket money yeah that's right we're back talking about the incredible personal finance app that helps you find and cancel your unwanted subscriptions, monitor your spending, and lower your bills so you can grow your savings. Yeah, Rocket Money is helping me find happiness all right. It's helping me buy it by having

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Let's indulge the premise that you have actually left the Nokia Theater and you're here there instead of back there. I am. I'm here with you. Let's go back to the theater. Who are you wearing? It was some guy who made, he made suits for president. He might have made toys. He was Greenfield.

I believe. He made suits for presidents. Okay. They told me. President Truman. President Ed Truman. A little bit of a theme. I should actually know.

You might want to get the, yeah, specify the presidents next time. I am going to get me in trouble. Not the, not one of the last couple. Okay. Not one of the last two, let's just say. Dead ones only. No, no. Some of them are still hanging out.

but martin martin martin martin martin martin van boring what was martin well who is martin over there damn gina he's he's he's watching martin that way your show has become Kevin watches Martin he's he's chastising

that sounds very good for some of his behavior Martin will be getting up to some stuff that will force Kevin to have to have to say something something. Martin. Martin, stop that. You're making the situation

even worse with these antics. So you're wearing Greenfield. I think. Okay. You... If you had asked me that... See, this is how you know

I've left that place. Because if you'd asked me that day, I would have known it. Yeah. No, I know. I've moved on. Mm-hmm. Who?

Who? Who are you sitting with? I was sitting with the video. Unidentified, yes, okay. Anyone else? Are you on the aisle? No, we're in the middle of the row. Favorite such.

In the front. I know, but like they sat you in the middle, like, they're not expecting you to have to, like, get off. Okay, but in the front. This will be good for the show. Hold on. Let me challenge that a little bit. This guy seems like he'll be really good at making his way

from the middle to the aisle. Let me challenge that. No. would apply in any other row where can we put but I was in the front so I don't have there's no barrier to I can just get up and walk on stage I could have walked up on stage so what you're just going to

scramble up the front of the stage climb the front of the stage I could have easily you I don't think they want that I could have did you try mm-hmm we couldn't see below frame was did Tremel have his shoe on your face yeah when I when I when I heard my friend's name, I got so excited

for him that I did try and get up there. Because I wanted to... For a little hug at high five. I wanted to be the John the Baptist to his Jesus. Okay. I wanted to tell the world that he's coming.

And so I was going to give a little speech, but they were able to convince me not to. What I was told from people who were at the ceremony was that it was a January 6th type of vibe the way you were trying to get

onto the stage. That's fair. Yeah. So that's a little less John the Baptist and more the sort of conservative shaman. At the time, you know. Jesus was executed for his views. So you were about to go execute

Yes, because you were characterizing Tramel. John the Baptist did not for his view john the baptist was a a a a uh forbearer he paved the way he did not execute jesus but to to paint me as some sort of radical revolutionary sure yeah i maybe i am and sometimes that's a good thing who were your fellow nominees my friend tremel and my friend john and my friend Jason

and my friend Sam Mm-hmm And a diverse group And my friend Hearing a lot of men Come on That's unbelievable

They They that's how they categorize It's all those guys That's how they categorize it You distracted me so I wasn't able to finish Saying all my friend's names But Kevin can put them up on the Screen

they put a lot there's a lot of guys this year Zach will be the one putting them up on the screen Zach I don't like to talk about Zach but John Jason Sam and you and Tremel Tremel and Tremel and Tremel and Tremel and I can't remember

there might have been a few other of these guys up there sounds fun Zach and you're sitting there they cut to you who's presenting i don't remember i i did black i can see why you don't remember because you had both hands on the armrests that you were like half launched as they were reading everyone's name and even as they were describing what a supporting actor is

i was trying to be supportive i think it might have benefited you to to hear that definition I find I'm When I watch the show I'm like does he know What it means to be a supporting With his acting It's a I mean I feel the same way When I listen to the podcast that he's on

Well I wanted to show I was being supportive It's like you're a guest You're a guest You're a guest here I would like to show that I'm a supportive So you got into How was your How was your Emmy's weekend?

And to you? I, you know, I like to take that time for myself. Okay, that's not, um, that's not something that I feel the need to sort of be very public with this big dog and pony show. I'm,

you're probably aware I have specifically requested to never be involved with the ceremony or any in terms of as a nominee I kind of like to make things that challenge people yeah I think this sort of like mainstream like oh like everyone

like instantly gets it and everyone's in lockstep just like this is rubber stamped does the new thing we like not really what I want my legacy not like for the masses I think I'm kind of weird this way

It's like, I want my stuff to like last. Is that crazy? You win a Webby or something? You guys win a Webby? We're nominated for an I Heart Radio podcast award for our ad reads. Which I think is in keeping with what we're even describing, which is like, we just kind of want our stuff to last if that makes sense. And to like actually like stand the test of time in some ways and not be so of the moment that everyone currently is just going like, this is what we're doing. Thank you, Mr. President.

for assigning me my favorite show I might have won his suit so they're trying to explain to you what a supporting actor is you are in a three-point stance getting ready to scramble up onto the stage from the front

that's right they say a name that isn't yours that's right which I thought was a mistake and then that's very clear I thought we might have had a little bit of

a la-la land situation it was very clear from the face you were making like you felt really bad for oh no this is gonna ruin this is gonna ruin him and Tremel's gonna be so upset when he finds out well it was don't do that

this is so tough for them the camera guy is trying to go be elsewhere oh i had a grip on his i know awkward i had a grip on his just yeah yeah i snatch that uh what do they call that camera camera i see right and he tremel gets up there yeah the presenter gives a wonderful looks at you and says like before handing the mic to tremel takes it back for a second looks at you and says bitch you thought um uh so which i don't know if did that make the broadcast so unnecessary

the feed that i was watching obviously i kind of take that weekend to myself so i don't you know uh the feed that i was watching had it just in a caption under you it said this for what of my best stuff they cut it was they pre-meamed you okay yeah so at least you got to see it because a lot of my best stuff they cut from them from the broadcast yeah okay what was some of the stuff that that did make it in yeah got an opportunity to do it here yeah and this was while your friend was trying to talk before after during yeah okay yeah uh i was doing a lot of i was doing a lot of reacting when one of my friends one I would go that's really nice yeah that's really supportive and uh my my alleged wife was next to me and sometimes they'd make a joke and I

would turn her and go pretty good I go pretty you're letting her know that she's allowed to enjoy no I was just trying to it's a long day you're afraid she won't get the no it's a long day no it's a long day I was just trying to keep everyone spirits up. But it seems like you are, you have some feeling of responsibility to kind of hold her hand through the process of hearing a joke. A certain ones.

Not really her world. Certain ones. It was more I was just. They were references. You might not. To just like make sure that she's staying with us for the whole program. Yeah, I was checking in.

now what I saw because you had commandeered this one camera yeah for yourself is that you went in the back and pulled what it looked like you thought was a fire alarm yeah but was the icy machine that's right and you actually made a pretty interesting new flavor because you pulled them all at once yeah it did it it it it didn't taste great and it didn't make it's kind of interesting about yeah it didn't make nearly as much noise you think the icy normally tastes pretty good yeah like how could it possibly go wrong because if you get enough flavors it starts to starts to get kind of like and it did end up creating an emergency worse than a fire yeah it gets really yeah i mean they had to evacuate

ultimately but so it was the same it was very difficult to think the flavor was yeah and but everyone was slipping and sliding on all the icy all over the ground well have you ever felt something so stinky you got to just get out of there you get it all all over your hands and stuff and you just are like i can't i got to be anywhere but here no you've never had that no okay okay okay every time you know every time i want to be supportive every time i try and relate to either of you. I would love, I'm searching my memory banks to try and find just like the closest thing, the closest parallel to what you're describing and just like, I can't.

It's potentially an interesting idea. I have no way to access it at all. So I've been accused of being conceded. I've been accused of being self-obsessed. And every time I try and connect, every time I look to one of you for a moment, of connection, I am met with judgment, derision. It's been very interesting, though, I will say, because I think in general, you know this as an artist, there is this idea that the specificity becomes universal.

That's right. And that when people really dig into their own unique experience somehow by getting kind of granular with those details, they do weirdly. end up connecting to more people. And that has never felt less true than during this episode. What's the stinkiest thing you've ever got your hands on? I don't know what you mean.

I don't even know what you mean. I don't even know what you mean when you ask. What's the stinkiest thing you ever got your hands on? Probably your episode of the Severance podcast. Okay. So actually, I think you maybe can relate. Which I'm like the only one who ever heard. Maybe you can relate because you don't want to be there.

You want to get out of there. I did. I did hear of say, I got to be anywhere, but he's. I did hear him say that. So actually, you can relate. Yeah. Now, Hayes, what's the stinkiest thing you ever got your hands on? I guess it would...

And you didn't know it was going to be stinky, because I didn't know it was going to be so stinky. I thought it was going to be noisy. Probably be the Uber Eats commercial. My Uber Eats commercial? Is the stinky... Now I wonder if I should change my answer. I had forgotten about that commercial. Ooh.

that's big tech that's tough feedback to hear to me it wasn't stinky at all in intention but that's an interesting as an artist and that's good to know that's actually really helpful to know you don't always once you put it out there it leaves it's no longer your baby that's a relief because we didn't want it to be stinky at all wow because you don't Okay. Stinky food. Wow. No.

I am reeling at this news. It's raising so many more questions for me. Oh, yeah. There could be a whole documentary about this commercial, apparently, because if that's not what was the intention, top to bottom, so many things had to go wrong. So can I ask, you thought... I mean, fish stinks from the head. Of course, your head is...

the one I'm seeing on screen fish stinks from the head yeah I've never heard that before but you were starting to say that you thought I you know I think I was I was wondering you think you thought we went out

to make it stinky and we nailed it yeah I thought you intended to make it stinky in a different way yes yes yes that was not successful but did end up producing something kind of brand new. Yes.

No, I didn't yeah, let me be clear. I didn't think what I was watching. Shoot for the stars, aim on the moon? Shoot for the moon, even if you're missing land among the stars. But the stars are further away than the moon. Well,

that is technically, I guess, true. But there's also, and you know this is an artist, there's things that are true and there's things that feel true and the stars being closer just feels true can we check in with

I mean nominees act just before we sure have to leave here let's just see where we were I guess originally I was thinking more of like Kevin Spacey as one of those guys who you might say I was thinking of as like a guy like that

wow Well, I'd say I can think of one I'm not friends with that guy. I can think of literally one difference. Yeah. One single difference. There's one thing I know that you two don't have a common.

Do not have in common, which is a best supporting actor award. He won an Emmy? No, there's actually other, and they told me not to tell you about these. There's like a whole other. I just felt like I needed to say that's kind of more who I'm in. Kind of award. There's other kinds of, yeah, other kinds of award. I mean, he probably did win an Emmy, but it was for best leading actor, right?

Probably. They give awards for what, like ad reads and stuff? There's actually a whole other kind of... You won a best ad read? The thing. Yeah. Yeah. It's like...

Did he win the year that you were up? The Iheart radio. awards. I don't think so, though. God damn it, if you wanted to, he probably could have. Let's not throw out the baby with the bathwater. The guy could read an ad.

Do we have Zatch before that we could check in with? Let's just see if it feels different than what. What the hell is this? You need your headphones, fellows.

Well, I remember what I said, so I probably don't need... Of course you do. It's buying you on the other side days. I can read the comments now. used to be a problem no comments yet not a single comment

oh my god start the conversation so this is from the Television Academy Foundation's Instagram account from September 19th Scoop Trip if we could get a couple comments going for our guy I really had the good

I did it for foundation celebration like when you guys found out about this sweet you know exclamation points were all over the place and emojis and yeah What? That really does not do you? That is not the sound of someone who was allowed to participate in the celebration.

It's just not the same guy who's sitting here either. I'll admit, I don't know what I was talking about. Oh, it's incoherent, but there's a joy to it as well. He's become a fan favorite, you know, his passion and, you know, what we learned about him and his wife, you know, what's been the most fun. working with everyone on the show working with merit this past season was working with everyone on the show has been the best part that sounds generous there is is there such a thing as being so generous it it means nothing at all who's hearing that and thinking oh my god best support i was support best support working with everyone

everyone on the show here's everyone here's everyone who's everyone oh That means me. And, like, when I read those scenes, I wasn't quite sure how they would play out because I just saw a special scenario that could only happen in the world of our show. But when we started reading them together, I was like, okay, now I get it. So working with her was awesome. You're also nominated before you know your character. How punts are you about that?

I'm very excited. I think the first thing I did was, acting is writing, they say. broad city i did like a very small one-line role on broad city now i didn't maybe this was cut i didn't hear her say uh take me through your entire career blow by blow you're the only person i'm going to be speaking to for the rest of the evening i've got all fucking day might have edited in that yeah can we see did she say that what did she say i can't scroll back i have to start over oh yeah but i i i think yeah and and just like her we don't have all day for that um but it it is interesting that you decided to go back to like a one line or a couple lines role and what it

what were those lines i don't remember that uh-oh somebody called back in the day it's it also feels very surreal and it's straight it's like i haven't even fully uh processed it yet yeah yeah yeah look at that suit also i felt a little shot at broad city too is like you believe like here i am and just a few years ago I was on fucking Broad City They gave me just a couple lines On Broad City They thought

I should only have a couple lines And then I think their ass is Very cancelled Extremely off the air And who's still here with More than a couple lines I'm actually loving working with everybody on the show I mean, everybody on the show

Ooh, he mentioned me Sweetie, get in here Where's the lie? He's talking about me. Where is the lie? Do we have any more? Sorry, where is the lie? If I were to have told you

That your first Emmy nomination Can you? Can you stop? If someone says that to you, it's possible they're having a medical issue And if you could step outside yourself for just one second. It's maybe not the place

to be ridiculing them, laughing in their face as they are experiencing a severe distress. If I were, I'm not a medical professional. I have to told you. Obviously, I had empathy,

but I can't. If I were, have to told you that your first Emmy nomination, that you have an Emmy nomination, let's hear it again. I have to told you that you

If I were to told you that your first Emmy nomination, that you'd have an Emmy nomination, but that it would come in the drama category and not comedy. What would your reaction have been? Yeah, I guess I would have been surprised. I definitely came up doing comedy, and that's kind of been more my thing. Pause it. He knows that. That's why he's asking.

That's why he asked. So what was I supposed to say? You're like, so this is really interesting that you asked that. I actually came up doing comedy. Actually, I would be surprised. Because I came from the world of comedy. The viewers don't know that, right? How many comments we got on this thing?

Here's where I hate to do this. I'm actually, I actually believe in you. I'm rooting for you. Zero comments. That's tough. So this is, what account is this? This one's only got six likes. This is the USA Today Entertainment from a month ago.

Zach Cherry talks severance Emmy nomination and Liberty fandom. And talk about my hashtag shorts. The ones for the viral video, right? Yeah, no, we got a good look at those. You made sure of that. They're very cump. My DMs are filled with your hashtag shorts. They're very conk.

They're very. They're very. So, such a hard show to pin down genre-wise, so I kind of get it. Are you thinking it all I had to see? Um, I think I can manage. manage. Do you agree? I think, no, I think I'll, I think I'll manage.

How would you pin it down? I guess I'll just go with the people that literally make decisions about, like, what the best television is that year. I guess I'll trust them. So you'd say, I can see why you don't want to. You'd say severance is a drama. So is this the angle you're taking for next year that you should be nominated? different category than everyone else on the show i don't know kind of get away from all these

friends you have i don't know if you if you think it's a drama that's fine but it seems like there's a lot more going on there he's in three and what you know it might be like on set without ben uh i mean i will definitely be bummed i love working with ben but no i'm not thinking head because i i'm always surprised by what they do so cheapen by you saying that you love working with everyone of the show yeah i felt that that that meant enough If I'm bad, I go, like, so I'm everybody else? Oh, great. But I do like working with everyone on the show.

Did he text you after he saw this interview? I don't think so. Maybe after... I know he has a phone. Maybe we send it to him. And wait for them to tell me when and where to be. Who gave you the best piece of advice for tonight? When to be.

John Juturo gave me some good advice of just have fun. Do you ever ask him to text his brother? Sorry, sorry. Where's your fake wife during all this? She's back there somewhere. She's just off screen. She must have loved that you shouted out John Turturo right away. And I feel like, by the way, like, that was shared with you in confidence.

She didn't give you any advice. Like, it's preposterous that your wife would give you advice. I'm just like she didn't. So I was being honest. Not about that. Certainly nothing on the level of have fun. Yeah. Which, by the way, that was between the two of you.

That's pretty high standard. I think, I'm pretty sure John thought that was going to remain private. Well, I apologize. And thank you for then now putting it out to all your. Well, we can get a couple comments in there, you know, now that it's out there. You're a Yankees game. I do not. But I'm obsessed with the show, Monk, and I ask him about that constantly.

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