HomeTech.fm - Episode 282 - Black Friday Roundup, plus a Conversation with the Smart Kitchen Platform Innit

Episode Date: November 29, 2019

On this episode of HomeTech: Now that you’ve recovered from your Thanksgiving food coma, we are joined by Kevin Brown, CEO and Co-founder of Innit. Innit is a leading platform for the connected kitchen. Acting as a unifying layer designed to simplify and enhance the home cooking experience, Innit works with a diverse set of industry partners including appliance makers, retailers, tech giants, and large food distributors. Tune in to learn more about their novel and comprehensive approach to the rapidly expanding connected kitchen market. That plus our annual Black Friday roundup. Join us to discover some of the best and most unique connected home deals available this holiday season!

The Home Tech Podcast is supported by you. To find out more, go to hometech.fm support. This is the Home Tech Podcast for Friday, November 29th. From snowy Denver, Colorado, I'm Jason Griffin. And from warm and sunny Sarasota, Florida, I'm Seth Johnson. Jason, what's going on? You look cold. You do look cold. Yeah, yeah. It's cold. I've got a cold. My voice is struggling, but I sound worse than I feel, so that's the good news. And, yeah, you know, as hard as I try to avoid opening the show talking about weather. Yeah, we do that every week. We got like, I don't know, probably 10 to 12 inches at least of snow on the ground outside right now.

So a big storm came through right in time for the Thanksgiving holiday here. It should be. I mean, it sucks if you're traveling, right? But, I mean, it should be nice to kind of stay home and with the family, have some turkey and what is that chemical in there, tryptophan or whatever? Yeah, that's right. And naps. That's what I think of when I think of turkey.

Try to get the kids to nap first. That's the key. Ah, hmm. Yeah. That's the key. They were both home from school all day today. And I think my wife is going a little crazy upstairs. Yeah, it's funny you mention that.

And I brought my daughter to preschool today. I was signing her in, you know, have you signed her in? And the next two, three days were blanked off. And I'm like, huh, I guess, I guess they're closed tomorrow, which I didn't realize. So that was a big surprise for us. And, uh, we've made our, our plans for tomorrow, uh, to work around it. So yeah, you've got your hands full. Yeah. It shouldn't, it shouldn't be terrible because we'll both be home. So not the end of the world. Good.

So we'll be able to manage through. But just kind of one of those surprise days off that comes up from time to time. That's right. Well, I hope you and yours have a great, I guess by the time this airs, Thanksgiving will have been in the past. So I'll speak as future me and say, hope you had a great Thanksgiving, uh, right in time for the holiday and all of the cooking that comes with it. We've got a, uh, a guest lined up for today's show, Kevin Brown. He's the CEO and co-founder of a really interesting company called in it.

And I really enjoyed learning more about them. They are a, uh, you know, talk about themselves as really a platform for the Connected Kitchen. And so they do some really interesting work in terms of, they've of course got an app, but they do some work also with appliance makers and food providers and grocery stores. And they're really kind of trying to be the glue that binds for really the digitized Connected Kitchen, which I know is a topic of increasing relevance today. And again, I really enjoyed, Seth, for really the digitized, uh, connected kitchen, which I know is a, a topic of, of increasing relevance today. And again, I really enjoyed, uh, Seth, you were not able to make it, but I had the opportunity to sit down with Kevin and chat with him. So be sure to stay tuned for

that on, on this week's show. Uh, before we get into that, we want to do what we do every year around this time and talk about some black Friday stuff. And there is a lot, as in years past, a lot to pick apart there. Yeah. Well, what do you say we jump into some home tech deals? Let's do it. Let's do it. All right. Well, didn't even have that one planned. No. I had to think about it too. It's a little trippy, trippy up. So yeah, this Black Friday is coming up. Jason, I know that you have been, as you normally do, kind of keeping an eye on the pulse of deals that are happening out there. But I guess I know there's deals every year. And I've warned people.

I tried to warn people a couple of weeks back when we were having this crazy, like spat of product releases from like Google and Samsung's like, don't buy now. Wait, wait till black Friday. Um, and I don't know how many, you know, Amazon released a bunch of echo,

new echo gear. Well, guess what? All of that stuff is on sale now. So if you want some real cheap home tech gear, uh, you could totally pick it up right now, uh, for relatively inexpensive prices.

And I think there's, there's a, there's a ton of stuff out there. We're not going to cover every single thing, but probably I think the best thing, Jason, you and I have been like, I bought probably eyeballing stuff as it's come out. And, uh, let's just kind of go over, uh, some of the things that you and I would probably pick up this year and see if there's's any good deals on those and of course in our in our notes and stuff in our in the show notes we'll we'll put links to all the stuff that we found because there's there's a there's a ton of stuff out there and it's like there is it's almost too hard to pick out the great deals i mean there's a lot of good deals it's hard to hard to like go over them all a ton out there yeah and i think uh you know a, we were talking about this as we were planning how

to approach this week's show. Podcast isn't the greatest format for going through and really trying to read off every single deal. There is a ton of information out there. So what we are going to do this year is include a bunch of links in our show notes at hometech.fm slash 282. Again, hometech.fm slash 282. Again, hometech.fm slash 282. And we've distilled down and found some links to at least get you started. That can be the

hardest part, I feel like, for Black Friday, because there is so much out there now. And it's gotten so competitive and crazy with all of these companies vying for your wallet and your attention. And that's a real boon to consumers. But wading through it all can be difficult. So we'll, we'll include some links. I know that I found, happened to stumble upon this year, a great resource, I think a gentleman named Gordon Kelly at Forbes has a really great, you can tell he's gone through to a bunch of different places, you know, he's got deals from Best Buy, Amazon, Target, like a lot of different sources, B&H, things like that. And so he's got articles for Apple, Amazon, Costco, Target, and he's got all of the deals listed there. And so that's a good resource, but we'll include a bunch of those in the show notes at again, hometech.fm slash 282. But yeah, Seth,

let's jump in to some of the things that you and I found that are of particular interest to us. And so I will take the initiative here and go first. One of the things that I'm considering, I don't know if you own one of these, Seth, is an e-reader. I've developed a bit of a severe book addiction this year. I've really rekindled my love of reading this year. And as you can see in my video, I've got these piles of books laying everywhere in my house right now. And an e-reader is something I've been

a little reticent to go to because I really like holding a book in my hands. I like having a physical book. But I do think that the number of books that I'm buying these days, it might be nice to have an e-reader to pick up copies here and there. So I'm not, you know, burying myself in books these days. Yeah, no, I've got a couple. I wouldn't, I wouldn't, I wouldn't have picked, I would have thought that you, you already had an e-reader at this point. So I'm kind of surprised, like if we went through like that Kindle phase a long time ago where you had like the very first Kindle that had the little buttons on the side, they were great. And then they made them like not so great for a while. And I think we ended up getting up like a couple of generations later. We bought like a second or third generation.

But those are pretty much gathered just as much dust with me as my actual books. So I kind of switched over just to reading them, actually reading them on my phone. And then I have a really, really, really old iPad. So, but I do agree that having an e-reader like that e-ink paper type stuff is way better on the eyes and everything than on the phone. But I just, well, and that's, yeah, that's one of them is I like to read at night. And so, you know, having a, having an e-reader versus having like a light on in the bedroom, uh, my wife would certainly appreciate it. So, uh, yeah, I found, you know, Amazon fire HD eight tablet, uh, $50. So really good deal on that. Kindle, the Kindle paperwhite is $45 off. So

that's at 85. So for under, under a hundred dollars, I got a couple of good options there. And, um, I think this, this may be, uh, this may be the time that I finally pulled the trigger on that as, as addicted as I am to just having physical copies. I really like buying physical copies of books, but there's some times where, uh, I think, you know, having that e-reader option would be nice. So that's one I'm looking at. Are you one of those monsters that, that writes in the books and take notes? Oh yeah. all over yes like a savage i marginalia yeah tons of it i uh i um i've seen people do that and i'm just i'm horrified like i don't to me like are you yeah i when i buy a book i'm like i try to keep it like pristine and everything as much as i can and um

yeah i'm just horrified when I see people, I, I, I, uh, I know someone take going for their doctorates and they're just like, you wouldn't, you wouldn't see like any, it's almost like there's more notes taken on the page than their actual words in the book in some cases. I was like, well, that's, that's ruined. You just get rid of that. I didn't, I didn't realize that that was a potentially touchy subject. Don't do it in front of me. All right. Noted.

No, it's cool. What about you, Seth? Throw one in there. What are you looking at this year? Well, kind of like you. I am looking at a tablet of some type. I do have like a super old iPadad that i mentioned it's ipad i think it's the air 2 uh and it it does not run ios 13 anymore or ipad ipad os does not run that

it runs whatever ios 12 the previous release was yep um which still gets updated for security and whatnot but it's just stupid slow and there's's like, I think four gigs or so. I don't know. There's, there's basically no memory left on it at any point in time. You can't do anything. Uh, so I've been looking at iPads just to kind of like see if there was a deal on

them. And I've, I've seen a couple of them. Um, the Walmart's actually got a ton of good tech deals this year. Uh, the, the new iPad that came out at three329 seems to be a great price.

32 gigabytes, I'm kind of worried about that. But Walmart's got it on sale for $249. And I think if you were to go in for a really good iPad, essentially, for $249, that's really hard to beat. So Walmart's got a ton of, ton of stuff in, in, in the Apple family. Like they even have like the Apple series three watch the little small one for $129, which is absolutely insane. If you can get your hands on one of those, that's a great price for that. Like, cause you won't find it anywhere else. Right now those are good deals. And I go back and forth going back to the e-reader real quickly.

Like if I should just shell out and get an iPad, I haven't owned an iPad in a while. I've had several over the years that belonged to companies that I worked for. Right. And I've always enjoyed using them, but I've just never felt compelled enough to go pull the trigger on my own. So I don't know. That is a really good deal. I, I, I, I'm, I've never really owned one and I don't, it's one of those devices. Like, do I need one? Right. Probably not. Uh, and, and I really, it's one of those, like, I really don't know what I would do with it. Um, to, to be honest, like I, I really don't have any idea as to what I would like to, like, I have, I don't know, do you do this thing where you have like a, an actual like diary book that you write in and like do okay so i would like to do that electronically somehow so like

if i lose this thing it's not gone right um because i'm more apt to do that than um than than whatever but like i would rather it just be as soon as i write something down to be it somewhere so if i lose an ipad or something, it's not completely gone to the world. Um, so I, I, I've, I, there's a ton of great notating note taking apps on the iPad. And I would like, I think that's like my main use case. Um, and I don't want to type like, I don't really like typing. I'd rather handwrite it out. Um, so I guess this goes to you taking the, uh, the notes in the margin of the book, but, um, I would, I would, I would rather handwrite it. Uh, so at least I, I, I, for whatever reason, I remember things a little bit better. Yeah. Yeah. And I'd rather do that than type it.

Um, PSF that that's why I take notes. Yeah. Just, yeah. All right. I mean, Jason, you could also just get the audio book. I mean audiobook i mean yeah well that's true lots of options lots of options right right all right well here's one i found that i don't have uh yet connected in my home is my garage door and it's one of those that again i think about from time to time but i'm not like super compelled to go pull pull the trigger But I see that the Chamberlain MyQ Smart Garage Hub is on sale for $30 right now. This was $130 when it originally came out. And then I think I read that it had dropped to just below $100, I think, recently for a while. So it's been steadily coming down in price, but now $30, which is insanely cheap. And I think at that price point, I can definitely justify

pulling the trigger on that. So that's what I'm taking a look at. You know what else you want to have along with that? Um, cause I've, I've done this with my garage. I have it hooked up to the control four system on the old, you know, old fashioned relay contact closure. Um, but a lot of people, you can't actually do that. Um um you have to have one of these smart myq type setups um i but i will suggest to you that you get one of those since you've already kind of like kicked in a little bit for it and get one of those cameras and set it in there the 25 wisecams yep and set it in your garage because when this thing is going to be like you're going to get a notification one day he's like your garage door is open and you're gonna be like

is it really open i don't know did the power out the outage right trip it up for a second no i can totally see that having a camera in there makes a lot of sense you want the camera yeah i've got three of these wise cams now and uh i could very easily justify just throwing one of those out there yeah um that's a great idea so anyway that's definitely one i'm looking at you know we've got uh we've been slowly adding things we've got you know smart lighting now and the thermostat and you know we've got various things like that going on but having the garage door uh connected i think is is uh is next up so very cool thirty dollars great deal yeah yeah um speaking of you know other great deals uh around I think is next up. Very cool. $30. Great deal. Yeah, yeah.

Speaking of other great deals, around the $30 price point, Google has that smart TV kit. Again, I guess I'm going to only shop at Walmart this year because they have had some killer deals here. They've got quite the lineup. Yeah. It's really like if you needed to just go one physical place, I think that would be it because i mean you're gonna find something in that

store it's not like they only have electronics and home stuff but um at least around the home automation line or in the home entertainment line uh they've got they've got quite a bit of stuff here uh they have a google smart tv kit 35 That includes a Google Home Mini and a Chromecast, which $35 is basically the same price as a Chromecast itself. But it gives you the Home Mini and also gives you a $10 Voodoo credit. So as long as the Voodoo is still around, you'll have a $10. Right, right. Use your $10 Voodoo credit to buy a movie

and then tell your google home mini to play it on your new chromecast play it quickly before the servers shut down right right well i mean yeah yeah i think kidding wasn't it is a good deal i want to say that voodoo is part of that like movies anywhere coalition or whatever so i i think you might be able to transfer them out somehow as part of movies anyway uh but yeah just i don't know i doubt voodoo is going to go away but we'll see what happens with that i think they were just looking for a buyer yeah time will tell but uh yeah that is a great d uh great deal and speaking of of tvs uh smart tvs and not to steal your thunder here but i see you've got roku's ultra streaming device the 4k uh at 48 usually 99

yep a screaming deal on that one i know i've got uh one tv in the house that's just been kind of sitting and collecting dust actually down here in my office slash our guest suite since we cut the cord last year got rid of direct tv we never got a streaming device for down here because I don't typically watch TV. But I know when we have guests come and stay, it's sometimes nice to have a TV in the guest room. And certainly when I'm sitting down here every now and then, it might be nice to be able to put on a show. And so I am in the market for some sort of inexpensive streaming device and definitely leaning towards Roku. And at $48, again, maybe time to pull the trigger well i mean you could even i think they're normal like their standard 1080p stuff is like in the 30 range like so you could still right getting the 4k one is great and

everything but future proofs you a little bit yeah and it probably has a better processor in it and it's a little faster and all that good stuff um you know if you're only using 1080p and and it can still handle those resolutions you still has the processor to do apps and that kind of thing built into it so um yeah it's probably a better idea to get that one than the 30 cheap version i ended up grabbing one of those just like uh for giggles i guess i don't know um but i i've never i haven't hooked it up yet it's just it's still sitting in the box. It's so cheap that you can just grab it and, you know, when you get around to it, it was literally at the like impulse buy section, like the little, uh, stuff right at the front of the store. And I'm like, why not toss it in there,

toss it on the conveyor belt and check out if that's not a sign of the times. I don't, I don't know what is. Yep. That's funny other smart smart tv stuff you got yeah well so i was gonna say it segues nicely into speaking of my my little office and guest suite down here the tv that we do have is is really old by you know tv standards this was a it's probably a 12 year old it's one of the sharp aquas uh 32 inch that i got when i first i'd like become an integrator. I was only in the had only been in the business for a few years. And if that and the owner of the company, we had this extra TV and it's like a holiday thing. He kind of like gave me a good deal on it or whatever.

So anyways, long story short, very old TV still works. But I think I'm I'm at a point where we're starting to think about a nicer TV for down here. And, you know, I've been very happy with our TCL, uh, six series that we have upstairs. So I looked at a couple of deals on TCL, saw like a 43 inch for $170 at target. Wow. Uh, and then a 50, a 50 inch TCL 4k, uh, for $250 at both Best Buy and target. So again, based on my experience with the TCL upstairs, looking at those and $250 or less is kind of the budget that we're looking to keep it in. I mean, I'm laughing because... It's crazy.

Like, yeah, I get to say, oh, I remember when those were $2,500. No, no, I can remember those $25,000. It's insane that a 50-inch flat panel TV is $250. Wow. You literally chopped like two zeros off of that since these panels started getting flat. So you're right. It's crazy.

Yep, yep. Well, I guess one of my biggest picks this year, it's kind of, it definitely still falls in the home automation side of things, but is this Bond Smart Wi-Fi? I think we've talked about Bond before, but I don't know if we've talked, maybe like in passing as like a headline.

We've mentioned them, yeah. I met these guys out at Cedia. They were out there with a friend of mine, Alan Chow, who developed their Control 4 driver for them. And they make a little hub. So there we go. That is $100 normally. And you can pick it up for like $69 refurbished.

And I've seen it leading up to Black Friday as low as $50 new. So I'm hoping to see maybe somebody will put it on sale again, uh, for $50. Uh, anyway, Jason, do you remember going into these fancy homes with your fancy lighting control system and people going, Hey, I just put this fan up in this room. Can you automate that? And you look over at the fan and you're like, yeah, I can automate that. I'm an integrator. And you look over at the wall switch and they've got one of those little remotes hanging right above it yeah yeah it was never a good conversation to say oh yeah my multi-thousand dollar lighting control system can't control your fan your canopy fan well yeah yeah these guys have

basically reverse engineered all that um the rf frequencies or they have like teamed up with the fan companies themselves to do like bond included bond inside kind of like intel inside used to be um it'll be a little bullet point on the fan company itself on the little canopy control and they have basically reverse engineered all the rf stuff so you can stick one of these 99 things in the learn the remote into the bond home thing figures out what device it is and then the bond can actually communicate with it you can control it from a smartphone or control four or whatever um brilliant little device brilliant company uh

yeah i absolutely love it for 100 bucks no brainer no brainer yeah no i love that one uh and i was there those i think those gentlemen if i remember, served showed up at our home tech happy hour. They did. Yeah. I recall recall chatting with them a little bit. And yeah, interesting niche that they've found and certainly wish them success. I know that solves a real challenge for end users and definitely for the for the pros out there. They're all nodding their heads in agreement as you're walking through that that scenario. I'm sure we've all all experienced that yep so what do you what do you mean you have to turn off you can only turn on and off the fan i can't dim you know dim it anymore and like no you can't put a dimmer on a

fan sorry just yeah bonkers tens of tens of thousands of dollars on a lighting control system and they can't do that. It was always tough. So, all right. Well, one other general category, Seth, that I have hinted at on shows past and I'm looking at this holiday season is the smart display. Yes. Again, it's one of those products that I'm intrigued by

and they look cool, but I've just never been quite motivated enough to go pull the trigger. But they may make the cut this year. Nest Hub smart display is $79, so that's $50 off retail price. Now, granted, the story that I read goes on to say that they've usually got this thing marked down to more like $99. So, you know, full retail is kind of misleading. It's almost always marked down.

But $79 still a good price. They've got the nest hub max $30 off. So that brings that one down to 200 probably won't go that route. That's a little bit more than I'm inclined to spend on a device like this these days, given the options out there. And then there's the Amazon echo show eight for a hundred dollars. That's $30 off. So it really, I think, comes down to do I want to go Amazon or Nest? And I'm leaning towards Nest. Yeah. We've got our Echo here in the house, and it works fine for playing music and setting timers and things like that. But I think I'm ready to experience the Google Voice. I think it's going to be a better experience.

Yeah, and now, I mean, I've kind of kept my eye on those. They were the Google Home displays. I don't know. They were on sale, significantly on sale last year during this time. And I kept my eye on them all year. They really didn't go back down. So now is definitely the time to buy

one of these display things if you want to pick them up um at a lower price if especially if like you and like me because i'm kind of in the same situation you're unsure as to like if you if you need this device or not so i'm getting those yeah like how much am i actually going to use it right right that's really the question right it's certainly not a need. It's, it's definitely a want. I know that, but the question is how, how much am I, am I actually going to use it once it's, it's plugged in and there, um, I go back and forth on that. Well, speaking of, speaking of needs, Jason, I, I put my final link in here in the show notes. If you scroll down to the 100% will buy, I need, to need this. When you click on that. Okay, all right.

Keeping me in suspense here. Clicking on it now. Oh, it's the HomePod. It's the HomePod, yeah. The HomePod. It's still around. It's $228? $228, yeah.

So this is OWC, so max sales right now. You can kind of catch them between floating around this price point of $230, $240. And I've seen them as low as $210 on here. And I almost bought one when they had them down to that low a price. But $228, it's very tempting to pick this up because I know until it goes on eBay and basically

doesn't work anymore. I think this is probably going to be the lowest price for this device. So I think I'm probably going to go ahead and pull the trigger on the HomePod at the great, great low price of $228. All right. Well, it is a good deal. I mean, $349 to remind folks that that's where these came out at. So it is a good deal. I was, 349 to remind folks that that's where these came out at. So it is a good deal. I was wondering, I had searched around to see what was going on with the HomePod this Black Friday. I don't know. I thought you were kind of bearish on the HomePod at this point, but I take it what you're saying is it's a good product. It's a good speaker. It's just been overpriced. Yeah, it's a good product. It's a decent speaker and it has just been overpriced yeah it's a good product it's a decent speaker and it's it has been significantly overpriced although apple kind of has said that

like they don't want to sell it any they're they're taking a loss at 349 to sell it which is insane um i don't know like i what i'm saying here is like i think this is the best price i'm going to get it at until it has to go into the museum. And that. So you're just getting it for the museum is really what's happening. I'm hedging my bets on it. Yeah, I'm sure as soon as it becomes a museum piece, it's going to be something. But I think I'm going to get some mileage out of it if I set it up here on the desk and, you know, listen to music or talk to Siri or whatever,

whatever I want to do there. So I think I'm going to pick it up. I think this is going to be a for sure buy for me, for the museum, for posterity. All right. Well, it's going to go. Yeah. Nothing else. I was going to say you have it for, you'll have it for posterity. Yeah. Yeah. Matthew in the chat room says, I'm not an Apple person, but it would be nice if they put more effort into it uh regarding the home pod yep yep i i would agree still a question mark to me what they're going to do with that uh with that line if we're going to see some cheaper models or what it would be nice if they yeah they come up with cheaper models or like put the tech made that made the ability to put the technology into something else, you know, like Amazon does. I mean, there's an Amazon Echo device for your car now where you can drive around and talk to Alexa in the car.

And I saw an advertisement on TV for that. I'm like, oh, that's pretty compelling. But basically, I already have that because I have Siri in my car, right? So like everything that Alexa was doing, Siri can do. So it's kind of like, I don't know, it's not really needed, but Amazon has to do that because they don't have a phone. They tried, but they don't have a phone. So they're making these little small cheap devices

that you can kind of plop and put anywhere to get those voice, what do we call them? Voice access points, I guess, VAPs in different locations. And still a pretty cool product, I thought. And definitely a compelling ad, what you can do there. So that was pretty cool. All right. Well, there you go.

I've got one more pick that's like completely not related to home tech. Can I throw it out there? Do it. Do it. All right. So I've been intrigued by these for a while, and I've never done one. The Ancestry kits? Yes.

And 23andMe has their Ancestry kit for half off this Black Friday. So $99 instead of, I think, $199 is the typical price. Have you ever done one of these? I have. I have. I'm actually signing in right now to see uh what what they've updated with your like profile you get like all these little hey you're you don't you're not going to get diabetes or something like that they do all this stuff like as genetic tests improve or as they figure something out they can link you to something but yeah i i have i have done it i

i'm just pulled it up to take a look look at uh what it's up to now. All right. Well, yeah, I, I think it would be interesting. I didn't realize, I guess it makes sense. I'm not shocked by it, but I didn't realize that they did that sort of ongoing, like health profiles and things like that. But I'm, I'm primarily interested in it from a, just like a family tree, uh, perspective. I had an uncle who, uh, unfortunately passed away a couple of years ago, but he was really, really into, you know, studying our lineage. And he did a lot of work on that and told me just enough in his life to get me intrigued in it. And I think it would be a fun, fun thing to do. So anyways, I've got I got my eye on that for the holiday season as well.

Yeah, it does. I just kind of clicked on since you said family tree, there is a little like DNA relatives list. And it does pick out like, pretty accurately who your brother is. Yeah. And who your first and second cousins are. I recognize a couple of these names. And by the time it gets down to like the second, third, third or fourth, I don't know who any of these people are. But I suppose they could be related to me um but it there's like literally hundreds of them i have no idea who these people are but uh they they are they are trying to looks like they're trying to make that a little bit better and uh basically predict out like who is in your family tree right that you're related to but they also kind of have the ability to match

the like the genes that they like the genes they find to different diseases that may come up or different anomalies that may be in your genes that you may want like hey you may you i think one of them was like you may want to get you may want to keep an eye on this because you're susceptible to this right type of thing that's cool health. Health related things. I like it. It's a very cool product for what, $100? As long as you haven't murdered anybody or anybody in your family hasn't murdered anybody because now, I don't know if you've seen this crazy thing that these DNA companies are able to basically sell off the DNA to law enforcement.

Oh, really? Wow. And they can basically reverse engineer kind of the same way who could be related to like a mass murder or something wow and then they find people yeah yeah it's pretty pretty wild use of technology in like databases and uh it's amazing they have uh some of the like these cold cases from like the 70s have been solved recently wow because because of dna tests and and and people who are like brothers and cousins that have done the tests and they've been able to pinpoint who that person was in the 70s based on dna wow pretty pretty wild pretty

confident no one in my family has killed anyone yeah the the grievance are pretty much on the up and up. I can attest to that. One can never be a hundred percent sure about these things, but I'm, I'm clean. So, all right. Well, that's a good, good thing to consider, I guess. All right, cool. Well, uh, those are my picks again. Uh, kind of looking at, uh, an e-reader, smart displays, maybe medium TV, small to medium sized TV, maybe, maybe go on the bigger end depending on what i find and and uh and then a streaming device and and and then the oddball dna kit then that'll round me out if anyone out there if anyone out there is wondering what's on my get my gift list there you go that's it that's it yeah any uh yeah pretty cool that's uh and and i'm i'm i may be looking i don't know the home pod is calling my name it's weird that i like i really want an ipad

and uh for about the same price i can get a home pod it's like yeah i think i'm gonna get the home pod that's that's a for sure buy yeah but the ipad which would be infinitely more useful useful than a home pod i'm like on the fence about it. It kind of says something about that product line. Yeah, it does. It does. All right. Well, that'll do it for our Black Friday wrap up this year. Definitely, again, go check out the show notes. We'll have some really good links in there if you're overwhelmed, as many of us are this year trying to figure out your deals. Again, this is going to come out on Black Friday, so that's not going to leave you a ton of time. But a lot of these are, you know, of course, extending into Cyber Monday and,

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Friday stuff, let's go ahead. And without any further ado, jump into our interview. Once again, we had Kevin Brown. He is the CEO and co-founder of Init, which is a really interesting company doing a lot of work in the connected kitchen space to really be the kind of the, again, the glue that binds or the platform for the connected kitchen. So we hope you enjoy the interview here with Kevin Brown of Init. Hey, Kevin, welcome to the show. How are you? Great. Great to be here. Yeah. Thanks for taking some time. I know we've been trying to get you on the show here for quite a while, and I'm glad we were able to make schedules align. I've been looking forward to this interview. It's

a little bit outside of our typical wheelhouse in terms of the things, at least here on the Home Tech Show, that we typically talk about around the smart home. But I know that the smart kitchen in general is a very, uh, popular and growing topic. And, uh, I look forward to jumping in and learning all about in it and the role that you guys play in that growing market. But before we do that, why don't you give our listeners just a quick personal introduction, talk about your background and, and sort of what brought you in to the space. Sure. So I've been doing companies for the last 20 years and building them and growing them. And so I met my co-founder who'd been running big chunks of companies like Nestle and Unilever, you know, essentially $10 billion food businesses. And he and I started to get to talking about his vision

around how food was going to digitize. So we've seen everything else in life get digitized, music, movies, taxi cabs. You push a button and something perfect happens. And so now he was starting to think about what happens when food gets digitized. And I'm the cook in our family. I love to do it. I really care about all the health aspects for everyone. And I was really energized by this idea of, hey, can we use technology to help people here? Because the food industry had really lagged behind. You have to open up six different apps to make dinner. So, you know, that was the opportunity of how do we really create a platform that can bring some serious technology to make it simpler for people to eat and live better? Sure. Got it. So you referred to building the platform there. Tell us about that. Give us kind of the elevator pitch. We're going to jump in and talk about it at length, certainly through the rest of this interview. But what's the short version? What's in it all about? Yeah, absolutely. So we built essentially, I think of it almost like a culinary GPS system.

So, you know, people today, it's like driving with paper maps. It's kind of stressful. When they get a recipe, they're struggling to find the right ingredients, to find things that fit their health profile. They may not have all the skills they need to pull it together into a great meal. And then finally, when they put that beautiful $30 piece of salmon in the oven, they're afraid that they're going to murder it. And it's just going to turn out terrible. So there's a lot of stress points. We did a year

long consumer trial, you know, working with everyone, you know, in the kitchen and really seeing what was standing in the way of, because they said they wanted to cook more and, you know, they've been ordering out five nights a week. They know that's that that's expensive, maybe not the healthiest. And so we started to identify where can we go deep to really help them. So there's three pieces to the puzzle. One is nutrition. The second one is meals. And the third one is cooking and the technologies there.

So with nutrition, we actually acquire the leading platform that can analyze nutrition. And so we can actually calculate a personalized score for you based on your diet on over a million products. And we refresh that daily. So, you know, we, we've got a really, you know, sort of a deep view into the food and helping you find the right food products and, and automatically kind of get those into your, your basket. Uh, secondly, uh, Got it. And Kevin, I want to, I want to jump in there really quickly and I'm sorry to interrupt, but, but it got a little bit, uh, it broke up a little bit when you said, I want to jump in there really quickly, and I'm sorry to interrupt, but it broke up a little bit when you said, I think you named a company you acquired, and you broke up a little

bit. So I want to make sure you mention that name again. Give me that name one more time. Sure. So we acquired a company called Shopwell, which was the leader in personalized nutrition. And so they, for years, have been building up this ability to take your health profile, your allergies, your nutritional goals, maybe diets that you're following. Everything's getting a little bit more complicated these days in terms of is this particular food going to match my diet or match kind of the health recommendations? And so we said this is a perfect piece. So we acquired the company and integrated that into our platform. And so this essentially

allows us to calculate a personalized score for you for each product. So you can scan the product and or, you know, through e-commerce, essentially get that information unlocked for you and help you find the right products and make sure that what you're buying is going to be great for your family. So we can do that on over a million products today. Got it. Cool. And then you were moving to the second part of the puzzle there. Talk to me about it. Cool. And then you were moving to the second part of the puzzle there. Talk to me about that. Yeah. So, you know, now once you've found the right foods and you've sort of matched those to your diet, you know, you get them home and maybe, you know, you press the button and now, you know, the groceries have arrived. A lot of people didn't

grow up in the kitchen. They didn't have those, you know, sort of those deep culinary skills and confidence to pull together, especially maybe a new meal that they hadn't cooked before. They're cooking the same four or five things over and over. And so what we saw is that there was a great opportunity to provide much like, you know, think of Waze or Google Maps and write terms that you are able to step through and have that guidance. And so what we're able to do is now to customize a meal, basically build up from the food products you have, maybe what you already have in your fridge, and design a meal that's perfect for you,

and then give you that step-by-step instructions so that you have the confidence if you've never cut up eggplant or if you've never tied a chicken or whatever the skill is, now with a looping 10-second video, you've got kind of the superpower of being able to do it. Cool. And then I think, so I think we've covered now, uh, if, if I'm recalling this correctly, there was nutrition, uh, meals, and then there's the in it cooking. I think, uh, sort of the three legs of the three legged stool here, uh, talk about in and cooking for me. That's right. So, you know, for, for many people, so, uh, we basically have made these functions available free and, you know, both through our apps, but also now working with

partners that are using our platform. And so we'll talk about, you know, some of the partners like Google that are making this available. So this nutrition and meals is out there, you know, shipping and everyone can use it. You know, all you need is a smartphone or browser or, you know, some interface to in it. Now there's an increasing trend that we're seeing all the major appliances essentially adding connectivity and Wi-Fi. And so all of the major manufacturers have decided to start to take this $1,000 box that you're buying. It used to just get hot or cold inside. But now they're adding smarts and connectivity to it because the Wi-Fi chip costs five bucks. And so it's pretty straightforward now when you manufacture it to make it a connected device. And so it didn't really have a lot of

value when all you could do was remote control, when you could preheat from the couch or something. But we spent the last five years going very deep on now being able to take that whole cooking process. We helped you find the right food. We gave you the step-by-step guidance to prepare it. But now for that last step of cooking, that's also something that's been a big barrier for people. And so we've now mastered the ability to automatically cook using the connected appliances. And so we've seen many manufacturers like GE, LG, Bosch, Electrolux, Archelic, Vestel, Philips. So we're working with a lot of the major manufacturers to be able to control and help people use those appliances. Got it. Talk to me a little bit more about,

I find that really interesting. Talk to me a little bit more about what that relationship kind of looks like from a high level between Inet and let's say LG or Electrolux. Um, so you're really working with them. I would imagine very closely, uh, to tie in your platform with, with, uh, connected intelligence inside of, of each one of these devices. Can you give me kind of an overview of, of what that relationship looks like? I think it's, uh, has a lot of really interesting, uh, potential. Yeah, we've been working very, with the product teams on an engineering level with these platforms to be able to essentially bring an operating system now that can help you get the most out of that appliance.

So today when you buy, let's say, a new oven, it's got turbo roast and convection bake, and it's got all sorts of cooking features, but no one knows how to use them or which foods and how long and what temperature. And they just, you know, so it's like buying a Ferrari and, you know, you can only drive it around at first gear. So there's so much cooking technology that's available, but no one among consumers is really getting the most out of that. So we saw an opportunity to now essentially automate that process. If we know what the food is, you know, then we can, you know, we can now trigger a sequence of the right cooking program. So think of it this way.

The problem is – think of Nespresso. So my partner ran Nespresso when he was at Nestle. So they took something that was very messy like making coffee and they controlled the coffee with the pod and they controlled the device with very high precision, you know, temperature and pressure. And so when you controlled all those variables, you can press the button and get an amazing cup of coffee every single time. And so that's turned into a multi-billion dollar business. Every morning I have my Nespresso and it's just, it's a great start to the day. It's low stress. It's kind of a guaranteed thing. And so we thought about that for food. And here's the challenge is that every chicken is different. Every recipe in the world is wrong. So if you want to get that one click experience

to be able to cook food, you have to algorithmically control for the differences in the food product and the differences across different ovens or cooktops or other appliances that are controlled. And so this is where we went super deep in our technology. So for the last five years, we've been running our connected kitchen lab and testing and doing a lot of joint engineering to make sure that when the user presses the button, now we can bring a 13-, 14-, 15-step expert recipe that's tailored to that particular piece of food and is using

the features and the thermodynamics of that particular oven. So it's a lot of science underneath to make it easy for the consumer. Very cool. Well, yeah, I can certainly relate to that. My wife and I recently bought new appliances for our kitchen, including an oven. And I can certainly tell you that I am probably amongst those consumers who is not getting the most out of my investment. I certainly don't feel like I am, and it can be pretty overwhelming. I think appliances as a whole, ovens in particular, have certainly come a long ways. So I think that that's pretty interesting and definitely

something I'd love to learn more about. Shifting gears here, Kevin, as I was getting ready for the interview and kind of wanting to learn more about In-N-Out, reading up on your website, one of the areas I thought was interesting is your work with big food companies like Tyson and Nestle, for example, are listed on your website. Talk about that relationship and how that part of the value chain kind of fits together for you guys. Yeah, you know, it's interesting because there's so much information that's locked inside of food. You know, is this the right food for me? You know, what's the nutrition? Where did it come from? What are the best ways to prepare this food? What are the different things that I could use it for? There's just so much information around food that could help people, but they kind

of squint at the label and they're kind of running What we want to be able to do is to unlock that information and then take people through that whole journey to feel confident in picking the right foods and preparing them and cooking them. This is where we've gone directly to the food companies to work with them to be able to connect that information about the products directly to the consumers. And so, you know, for example, we just launched an initiative together with Google and we created, you know, sort of a program working with Mars. So this is the Uncle Ben's product. So this is the first lensable product. So if you think of Google and search, it started with text search and then it moved to voice search. And the next

generation of that is visual search. And so now you're able to, you know, use your, you know, your mobile device to essentially look at things. And with computer vision, it recognizes the item. And so now if we can unlock that information and take you through that food journey and help you with that product, then that's a way for the food companies to really help you get the most out of those products as well and connect it all the way to the kitchen. Awesome. Yeah, I love it. Empowering people to just know more about the foods that they're eating and what they're

putting in their bodies, I think is clearly a growing trend and I think is one that's really, really important. You mentioned Google there, and that is definitely one of the questions that I wanted to ask. Your relationships with tech companies like Google and Amazon. Talk to me about that a little bit. Yeah, absolutely. So, you know, we looked at the end-to-end journey for the consumer. So there's the food companies and the retailers where you're buying the food. There's the, you know, the kitchen and, you know, sort of all of the tools that you're going to use to cook them. And increasingly now people are using digital assistants like Google Assistant, for example.

Alexa, these are very popular ways for people to start interfacing to the different parts of the journey. And so we basically took our platform and have integrated it to make it really easy to take advantage of all of these new technologies. So for example, we've done a sort of an early access essentially project together with Google where on their smart displays, you can now experience the entire in it sort of step-by-step guidance and cooking and even integrate into your appliances and you can do it all hands-free. And so now we've got a beautiful video screen that's showing you each of the steps in the recipe and it's giving you the guidance and the timing and all of that. And then you can say,

hey, Google, start my oven. And now it's going to send the right cooking program and it knows that you've got a four pound chicken and it knows that you've got a, you know, a GE monogram oven or an LG oven. And it connects all of that together. So for the consumer, we're trying to really make it, you know, really seamless and easy every night to be able to pull off dinner and to make something taste great. But, you know, to achieve that, we're working together with each of the companies underneath so that we can send the right commands and really make it work.

Got it. And it sounds like we have a guest joining us potentially at your house. There he is, right on cue. Yes, my dog is, I don't know what the neighbors are up to, but he's worried. Yeah. Yeah, well, we had you move rooms to get a better, uh, network connection and, and, uh, that's no problem. Just wanted to give him a proper, uh, proper introduction, uh, so to speak. Uh, so moving on here, one other area, we've sort of been talking about several different partners. So you guys have a, an interesting model where

you're working with, uh, appliance makers, food companies. We talked about tech companies. Uh, one other area I noticed on the website that you're working with is retailers. And so talk to me about that relationship. Yeah. So if you look at retail, you know, for, you know, for the, you know, a long time, people have walked into the store, they went down the aisles and pick the left, you know, right aisle product. And that's sort of how they would go grocery shopping. Increasingly, people are using, you know using other resources like their smartphones. They're using e-commerce and delivery. There's a lot more technology that the consumers are using for their everyday lives that is now getting integrated into that shopping experience.

And so we're working together with the retailers to now take all of that nutrition information, to take the shopping so we can take a recipe and turn it into the shopping list that automatically goes in your cart. So we call these shoppable recipes. So we can basically take an inspiration and very quickly turn that into the 14 ingredients that you need to make dinner. So instead of having to search up and down the aisles, you can click the button and it's automatically added to your list and you can kind of get on with the fun part of your day. And so we're working with, now that we know the food, we know that the journey, all of the different, uh, uh, sort of recipes and cooking programs, all of that, you know, we've essentially brought together so that now for a given objective that the consumer has is,

I want to make dinner for some guests. Uh, now we can simplify and automate those different steps. Very cool. So I think we've got a good sort of overview of, of what in some guests. Now we can simplify and automate those different steps. Very cool. So I think we've got a good sort of overview of what Inno does, and I can see pretty clearly how you guys are kind of like a platform, and you're connecting a lot of sort of disparate parts as we move towards, like you said, the digitized kitchen. And it's a really interesting model. So for anybody who's listening, who's kind of interested in this

and wants to maybe get involved and start using some of this technology, where are you guys at today? I know the app is out there. I understand people can use that. Is that a free app? Are there premium options? Talk to me a little bit about the user experience today. Yeah, absolutely. So we've got a number of ways that people can use the product. So I mentioned with Google Lens, with Google Smart Displays, you know, we're showing up in partner solutions like that. You can download the Init or Shopwell apps. Those are free in the app stores and, you know, get those on your phone. We're integrating into partner websites and other properties. So you'll see us in different places,

you know, where we're essentially powering some of those experiences. All of that is free, and we've now just launched our In-It Premium, which is really tied to that cooking experience. And so if you're going to buy a brand-new connected oven, we've actually developed specifically for that oven special cook programs that come out amazing. So, you know, the president of the French culinary academy is on our team and helped us really tune these amazing recipes that, that use the specific features of your oven. And so, you know, that's $5 a month. So if, uh, if you sign up for premium and start to use those, you know, if you cook one meal at home, uh, per year, it pays for itself. So we've tried to make it really cost effective, but, uh, you know, that's where we're doing a lot of advanced R and D to make sure that the cooking process, uh, can really turn out some amazing results. Cool. That's great. I want to zoom out here as we, as we wrap up our time together

and I would love just your high level assessment and kind of overview of the smart kitchen landscape as somebody who is clearly, you know, living and breathing, uh, this technology and is very immersed in it. Where do you see us at today? I mean, I sense this is still kind of early times, but give me your overall kind of assessment of where we're at today and what you see in sort of the near to midterm future for the smart kitchen. You know, each market is different. It's got different dynamics and structures, but the same thing is happening over and over again.

Each of these markets, whether it's automotive, whether it's entertainment, healthcare, food, each one of them are going through the same set of processes to digitize and create an amazing consumer experience. So sometimes it takes a trigger. So one of the big triggers that we saw was when Amazon bought Whole Foods, that really put the whole market on notice that there was a lot of digital disruption that was coming. And whether that's sort of new ways of ordering, new ways of experiencing. And so that really kind of set in motion some of the companies that had been on the sidelines moving and realizing that they were going to need to modernize and start to deliver these digital experiences for consumers. And that's the way consumers want to live and want to purchase things anyway. And so it's sort of a win-win, but sometimes it takes a trigger event like that. So that's what we saw a few years ago, setting in motion some of the initial moves. And now

what's happening is that all of the major players, so you look at our partners on the food side, we're working with the top three food companies, big retailers. If you look at – we're working with four of the top six appliance companies with Google. All of them are seeing the same thing. All of them are seeing that we need to move to a place where we help people in the kitchen. Today it's very fragmented. You have to go find some recipe on the web. You have to find some nutrition blog and read up on that. You go find a YouTube video to, you know, to, you know, someone random, you know, chopping up, you know, the food that you want to prepare. There's remote control gadgets,

there's e-commerce sites, a lot of good resources out there, but pulling that together to make a meal is tough. And so that's where we said, look, we got to create something that's really simple for the consumer, takes them through that whole journey. And so we're getting a lot of agreement from everyone on what that consumer journey is. How do I plan, shop, prepare, and cook? Everyone's converging to a similar view of the problem that needs to be solved. And so now we're seeing companies lean into that and start to invest. So I would say that it's early. In 2020, we're going to have people able to basically do that whole end-to-end journey now with digital assistance throughout each of the steps. So that's pretty encouraging. As you get into 2025, 2030, you're going to have very high penetration of connected appliances. Every device made will be connected. And that includes large appliances, and now it's moving down to small appliances. And so you're going to now have the ability to orchestrate and to automate a lot of those to get a great result. And what it's up to make it really simple. And so you're gonna see, I think, a lot of improvement in the interface to how people approach the kitchen.

Excellent. Well, exciting times, it sounds like and we'll look forward to seeing where you guys go in the in the months and years ahead and how this market develops as a whole. In closing here, how could our listeners, if they wanted to connect with you, maybe ask a follow-up question or learn more about Init? What would be the best way for them to do that? Yeah, absolutely. So you can come to www.init.com. So we've got a lot of information there, but then also we have an interface to ask questions and support and to reach out. And for those that are interested from a partnering

perspective, we've got a forum there that'll come directly to me and my team. And we're talking to a lot of companies. We would really love to connect up with folks that are interested in how this can play out. Excellent. Well, we'll include links to that in our show notes as well. Those will be at hometech.fm slash 282. Again, that's hometech.fm slash 282 if you're interested in seeing those. Kevin, thank you again for taking some time to come on and join us and tell us a little bit about the platform. I really enjoyed it and wish you all the best moving forward. My pleasure. Thanks a lot. All right. Take care. All right. Well, that'll do it for our interview with Kevin. Again, I really enjoyed it. We had

a couple of tough spots there with the audio, so apologies for that. But hopefully the message came through loud and clear there. And again, Innit, I think, is a really interesting company doing some cool stuff in a really exciting space that we don't we don't talk about quite quite enough probably here the connected kitchen i know mike wolf a friend of the show does some great work on the smart kitchen if you're interested in learning more about the category in general or give in it a follow because again they're doing some cool stuff there absolutely well jason nothing in the middle back this week uh but i do have a a funny picture of the week via via reddit uh and this is a subreddit on reddit that i can't actually say on air but we'll just call it

interesting car mods and there'll be a link to it in the show in the show notes uh but the uh this is called a cable tie technician and i i saw this and i i just about fell out of my chair laughing this is the best thing I've ever seen. Basically what happened, looks like somebody got in a wreck with a little plastic bumper, was torn, and then they went to work stitching their bumper back together with cable ties, which is absolutely brilliant if you think about it, because it keeps your car from looking horrible, but it also gives you these nice little stitches on your car made out of cable ties and then and then to top it off kicker they

tag their car with the most brilliant bumper sticker i've ever seen in my life certified cable tight technician and uh i i'm gonna have to get this bumper sticker now i have i found it on amazon alibaba like i'm gonna have to get this own this bumper sticker now. I have, I found it on Amazon, Alibaba. Like I'm going to have to get this, own this bumper sticker and put it on my car or on my, on my, on my fancy tool box boxes over there. I think it's probably where it should go. That,

that sticker needs to be on every home technology professional van in the world. Absolutely. Because if there's one thing you get good at when you're an integrator, it's, it's how to get creative with with cable ties. Oh, man. The amount of equipment that I have installed with cable ties alone. Like, oh, I don't have any screws to put this, you know, thing, random piece of equipment up in the attic. I'll just cable tie it to this board. Use a cable tie. It's like the modern version of duct tape, I feel like.

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