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This is the Home Tech Podcast for Friday, January 29th from Sarasota, Florida. I'm Seth Johnson.
And from Denver, Colorado, I'm Jason Griffin. How you doing, Seth?
Good, Jason. What's going on?
I wanted to come right out of the gate this week, Seth. Big announcement I want to make.
You and I have talked about this behind the scenes, but wanted to announce officially here this week that have decided to take a step back from the Home Tech podcast.
So really, really tough decision.
Not one I took lightly, but it's been a really fun ride and ready to just go pursue some other options.
We'll talk a little bit more about that, I wanted to start out by thanking you, Seth.
This has been an awesome ride.
I've really, really enjoyed the last six years.
Thank you.
It has been an awesome six years.
Just say that out loud.
It's just crazy.
It's crazy.
Yeah, no, no.
It's been a pleasure.
I have always heard this from people that have, uh, have worked with
you and around you, like we're at a trade show or whatever is to work with you in a professional,
you know, sense or whatever. It's just a pleasure because like, you're just on the ball with
everything. You're always there. Um, it's been, you know, this has been like a hobby and it's
still been a pleasure to sit down and just chat with you literally every week. It's been one,
it's been like, it is highlight of the week to sit down
and just sit here and chat.
So like, it's fun.
It's been a fun thing.
It's, this is a making a podcast
can be kind of tedious and nerve wracking
and like overwhelming sometimes,
but you managed to make it like fun.
So thanks for being the partner this whole time
for the past few years.
That means a lot to me.
No, I really appreciate it.
And lots of really nice messages coming into the chat room.
No, I did not get fired.
We'll talk a little bit about the co-host applications here that some people are talking about.
Like I said at the beginning, not a decision I took lightly.
Thought about this a lot over the holidays.
And, um, this is really just a reflection of kind of a growing passion that I've got
for some other topics around sort of productivity, uh, knowledge, work, knowledge, management,
the, these sorts of areas we've dabbled in a little bit on the show.
Um, but I've really had just a burgeoning interest in some of these areas and kind of going out and exploring new software. So Roam being a
great example, there's a really burgeoning community around that that I've become very active in
and feeling really inspired to go spend some more time exploring that. It's just got this pull
for me that I've been wrestling with.
And ultimately, Seth, as you and listeners to the show know,
have two young kids, a demanding job that I love,
love what I do at work.
And so ultimately, just not a lot of time to go around.
And something had to give in order for me to go
kind of pursue something new and just go experiment.
So, again, not a decision I took lightly.
It's been awesome working with you.
And we'll take this opportunity right now to send my most sincere thanks to all of our listeners and the awesome community we've built around the show.
What an amazing door opener this show has been. Like that's the biggest thing I
tell people whenever podcasting comes up to people who may wonder like, why do you do it? You know,
what's in it for you? What do you get out of it? That's the number one thing I cite every single
time is the networking and the connections that I've made through doing this show, the community,
the community and the connection has been a really, really big deal to me. So, um, yeah, I'll be around. I'm, uh, I'm not
disappearing. Um, but, but again, to step back from the show and, uh, and go pursue some new
things. Yeah. Yeah. I, you, when you were talking there, I remember our conversations and how it
all comes down. It doesn't come down to all come down to, but like you mentioned time and and how it all comes down it doesn't come down to all come down to but like you mentioned time and like how much how much of your your you know you have all these little
buckets you can put your time into it's like jason do you remember when we had time to like
actually like i remember before kids having plenty of time to do this podcast and sit down and like
go over like tons of stuff man it is it is it's it is, it is tough. It's hard now. It's really hard.
And I, I, I, time is time to me right now is not what it was six years ago. I can tell you that
right now. Time to me is like a precious, precious resource. And if anything takes away from take
time away from me, I'm just like, no, no, no, no go away. Anything house projects, anything doesn't
matter. Time, time. I protect Time I protect now. I have never protected
time before. It's kind of wild. Yeah. Yeah. And it's funny because I think back to before I had
kids and I always felt busy and it's like, what the heck was I doing with all my time? I don't
understand that. But yeah, it's been awesome. I was just reflecting back as we were getting ready to make this announcement and thinking back on six years and what a crazy ride it's been. through the move from Colorado back to Denver, through the Via implosion, through buying my
first house, through four years of Donald Trump, a lot. It's been a crazy ride. And it really has
been, like you said, a staple of my week, kind of a stabilizing force for me to be here week in and week out talking about home tech and just immensely grateful
for all of it. Yeah. It's been one of the most fun things I've ever done. Like I said, I'm glad
to have been able to go down this road and path with you. It's been a pleasure. Absolute pleasure.
So the podcast isn't going away. I'm going to try and keep it around, try and keep it going. I probably am.
I'm just like you, Jason.
I'm going to protect my time here a little bit.
And I'll probably switch to like a Fortnite thing.
Patreon stuff has been paused.
And so like if you're a patron now, you're not going to get charged for whatever it was.
February, I think it like goes out every at
the first of every month so when that rolls around those charges won't go through and then you know
as I get further into it and pick steam back up again I'll I'll warn everybody and say you know
the the patreon thing may come back but for now everything's paused everything's free the hub lives
on you know the show the show the show will and free. Uh, the hub lives on, uh, you know, the show,
the show, the show, uh, will, and you're still being the hub, you know, somebody wants to get
ahold of you. Yeah. You're still in there. I will be. Uh, yeah. I mean, it's not, it's not
like you can live without slack. I mean, definitely not. Definitely not. Um, yeah,
absolutely. And I'll take the opportunity here to say that I'm really glad you decided to
carry things on, even if you go every other week. I think that's awesome. I 100% didn't,
of course, pressure you either way. And certainly you had my full support with what you decided to
do. Obviously, we've put a lot of work into kind of the home tech i guess brand or just uh yeah the
entity of home tech right and i'm i'm really happy to see it being carried on and and certainly as
you know big news breaks and and things in the industry pop up i'd love to come back on and join
uh every now and then as a as sort of a guest on the show, as you keep it going. Yeah, no, definitely. You, you, you know how this works. You, you, we get in here,
we both say that we're recording just to make sure we're recording and then we go.
It's pretty simple when you, when you frame it like that.
When you think about it.
Yeah. So, um, let's, you know, on, on to kind of the rest of what we want to do here with this
episode, we are going to hit some home tech headlines like we typically do.
So we'll talk about some news this week.
And then for kind of our big feature where we might otherwise normally do like an interview
or something, we're going to jump into kind of a then and now, which I think will be really
fun.
So preparing for this show, went back and looked through a bunch of old episodes and
old show notes and went back and listened to our very
first episode. And we're going to spend a little bit of time reflecting on kind of the then and
now of home technology and what a wild six years it's been on that front. So that'll be fun.
Yep. Sounds good. I've seen that the chat is just out of control today. So this,
these guys are hilarious. Um, I don't know if you mentioned
where you said you were going. Thank you for that. Gosh, what an oversight. Yeah. Appreciate that.
So I, as some of the listeners to the show will probably know, I launched a personal blog
several months ago, pillorsofimpact. Um, that's where I've been doing some writing.
So I'm focusing a little bit more on writing these days and again, kind of exploring new
topics. Like they won't be totally new to anyone who's listened to this show for quite a while
knows that I've always kind of had an interest in, in productivity, but, um, the general idea,
at least that I'm exploring now, and this is all very much open to change and evolution.
I'm sure it'll evolve quite a bit.
But just sort of exploring the tactics and strategies and mental models of people who are really effective at creative knowledge work.
I'm really interested in that so and that captures productivity and software and interpersonal skills
and personal development and all these sorts of things are topics that I am really deeply
interested in so I'm going to continue doing writing on that Pillars of Impact site and from
there I'm not sure what else I'm going to take just a little bit of time and think it through
I'm interested in maybe exploring video and getting into maybe doing like explainer videos and that sort of thing on YouTube. Just try my hand at something
totally different. Of course, podcasting is something that's near and dear to my heart.
So I may start up a new podcast around those topics at some point, live webinars,
things of that nature. I'm not sure a hundred percent. That's kind of exciting, right? It's
sort of an opportunity to step back and start fresh.
So those are the general themes and areas where I'll be focusing on.
But what that'll ultimately end up looking like, I'm not 100% sure.
Gotcha.
No, it should be fun.
Whatever it is, whatever you come up with, it'll be fun to follow along and see what
you're up to.
So for sure, we'll keep an eye on Pillars.
Yeah, thank you for that.
And probably on Twitter, too.
You're on there.
I've seen you on there.
Yeah, yeah.
I've been getting more active on Twitter.
And yeah, so definitely I'll be around and would love to share some of the things I'm working on and get feedback.
And yeah, just stay engaged.
Wonderful community of people around home tech.
And I think some of the most forward thinking minds
in the industry, I think we have as listeners to our show.
And I would love the opportunity to stay engaged.
It sounds good.
Well, now that we got the hard news out of the way,
what do you say we jump to some easy news
and some home tech?
Yeah, let's do it.
The top line feature for Ring's latest new doorbell is no doubt its price uh no way around that at sixty
dollars it is forty dollars cheaper than the standard video doorbell and prices from there
go up significantly jumping to the elite at 350 the new doorbell will be available through amazon
and will be in home depot-store exclusively through late March.
So Ring's got a new doorbell out, 60 bucks. Move over, Wise. Yeah, this is great. This is
good timing on my end. Funny story here, Seth, our doorbell, we just have an old cheap push button
doorbell that started getting stuck recently. And so I replaced it. And then something that I
was doing, I don't know if I shorted something or what, but all of a sudden the chime stopped
working. And so I was at Home Depot looking at chimes and they were like, you know, it was like
30, $40 or more for like just a basic chime. And I was thinking like, I don't know if I want to buy
one of these because that's money I could use for a video doorbell.
Right, right.
And I wasn't super keen on buying the Wyze one.
I've heard mixed reviews on it.
And I just, you know, at that price point, like it's almost too cheap.
This $60 is kind of right in my wheelhouse.
So I may have to buy it and install it.
But yeah, you guys all here know how that stuff goes.
You already have the Ring Flood.
I mean. You have the Ring alarm.
Oh, geez, the Caseta, it's still sitting there.
I mean, the Caseta's still in the box.
You can believe it.
So you already have the Ring security system.
I know that.
Don't you have some floodlights, flood camera things?
I do, yeah.
I've got the Ring security system, and I've got the Ring floodlight camera. So, yeah, I'm already kind of in that Ring ecosystem, which is another reason why I was kind of leaning towards Ring.
Right, right. That's exactly why I would lean that direction because you already like everybody. It's not another app you have to deal with. Everybody in the family is already familiar with it. And 60 bucks. I mean, this looks like one thing this won't do that i i've kind of come
to find out is it won't strike the doorbell that you have inside the house so like if you have a
if you have a the traditional doorbell um and you push the button outside it really doesn't
do anything it's all going to be kind of a wi-fi type device uh and that's why they sell if you go
look at their website um i'll put a link to this all this in the show note um they sell it in a
package too with like one of their chime things which are better than the stupid chime that you have in your
house anyway uh and they're they're pretty cheap but you can what's great about them and like we
love this like around the holiday times like especially for like halloween or christmas
you can change it to like spooky ghosts or um so it's only 20 bucks more that's what it is i was
looking up the price you can change it to spooky ghosts. You can change it to like Santa saying, ho, ho, ho.
Like it's, it doesn't sound great, but it's fun. And, uh, you know, my daughter likes to hear that
when somebody comes to the door, she knows what that means. So I don't know. It's, it's, it's fun
for 20 bucks. I mean, you're going to spend 20 bucks on a kid's toy and get less enjoyment out
of it, you know, right over the years. Yeah, no, I think
that's, uh, I think that's great. And you know what else it saves me from, um, having to pull
the old chime off the wall and put a new one on. And that's problematic here because, uh, at one
point, you know, they repainted the house and like whoever they hired to do the painting, didn't take
like any of the wall plates or anything off the walls when they painted. So every time I have to
like, you know, change a thermostat or change anything in the walls when they painted so every time i have to like
you know change a thermostat or change anything in the house like i'm always left with this
exposed area that needs to be painted and uh yeah so i'll just go ahead and leave that old
broken chime on the wall and i think move over to the to the ring solution seems like a good a good
bet 60 bucks what did i say is on pre-order i thought i saw
that it would ship in may nope the 24th sorry shipping date on the 24th so well uh one thing
you got to be pretty glad that you don't have uh is wink this home automation surface wink has
suffered yet another connectivity issue that has knocked out every bit of equipment that anybody
has right now for the better part of a day and i'm going to say this was written on what the 25th is now the 27th.
I just checked their site and it is down.
And in a tweet, the company announced that it was having,
it was investigating a connectivity issue for, let's see,
quote, controlling devices connected to Wink, adding that local control was still unaffected.
The company has also urged users not to unplug their hubs
or log out of their accounts while Wink looks to fix the problem.
Ah, geez.
Problems with Wink service began sometime around 10 a.m. Eastern on the 25th,
and like I said, as of recording, 27th here, it's 7.50 p.m. Eastern.
It still looks like they are down
are these the uh the long-awaited death throws is is the question i i think i think richard
richard's gonna get his uh his uh prediction fulfilled pretty quickly here this is this is
wild yeah this is wild it says the 27th as of 3 o'clock today, Eastern, the one true time zone.
Now, you've identified the issue and we're working on implementing a fix.
We are still encouraging our users to refrain from unplugging their Wink hubs as local control is not affected.
Wild.
Yeah, and this obviously coming on the heels of their back in May when they announced that they were going to start
charging out of the blue and hardly gave anyone a heads up on that. So they're not really well
banked here in terms of goodwill with their customers. And I can't imagine this is going over
very well. I'm surprised that people are still, I mean, I guess, I guess if you're like really invested
in that ecosystem and you've got a lot of automations and things like that set up, like
I can see trying to stick it out and get as much use out of it as you can until it,
until it finally goes. But I got to tell you, if I was anything other than like the most heavy
wink user, I would have jumped off the ship quite a while ago i feel like ron's
threatening to throw away his egg binder yeah seriously i haven't used that piece of crap in
years it's funny i had one of those and it went into the trash pretty quickly like it it served
no purpose yeah kind of kind of regret doing it it would be a nice museum piece but then again i
i don't want it i would have been this was was this before you had the museum though it's been
well before the museum yeah yeah before i started collecting everybody's stuff yeah yeah funny oh
man it is a uh and and i think i run i think you were talking about uh setting up his egg minder
and they were going to charge him like the five dollars a month or whatever ten bucks a month or
whatever it was for the egg minder he's like no no thank you that's that's not gonna work
yeah funny um all right well moving on from there wanted to hit very quickly on the savant
the dealer summit so seth i don't know if any of this is like public news or if we got the scoop
from sort of our inside sources i'm not 100 sure
but what the hell we're gonna we're gonna talk about it anyways yeah so we don't have julie
anymore uh yeah post over there all this stuff on ce pro so somebody's got to do it jason it's
gotta be that's right that's right so some highlights here i'll just why don't i just
sort of run down the list maybe and then and then we can um give some color commentary and sort of
bounce things around some of the highlights um looks like bookshelf speakers with a host built in, cameras with
analytics, two and three channels, smart audio amplifiers, built-in AVB switch. We've got,
let's see, DISH IP control, Josh AI integration coming soon. That's an interesting one. Also,
Savant voice control coming soon. Strange they would do one. Also, Savant Voice Control coming soon. Strange they
would do both. We'll talk about that here in a minute. A Savant store for dealers, so a dealer
portal. Woo-hoo. Welcome to- They already had that. It's just they've added a ton more brands.
Okay. Got it. I was going to say, that seemed weird. New UI updates, AI, the big buzzword,
apparently AI. And then they've got a sort of a savant service offering they were talking about as well that we might riff on for a minute.
So what are your thoughts here, Seth?
My thoughts are, I mean, savant is like CES for dealers, right?
Like it's just like dreams and broken promises on aisle one.
And then I don't know what I last year we talked about their ring integration i guess
that's still not out so i'm just kind of like trying to figure out i'm scratching my head like
why not show up the product a little bit more and you know before you start piling on more
features like this but here we go uh savant voice control that that that sounds interesting like all
of this is coming soon.
And, you know, like, well, what's the ship date?
Like, why pre-announce this product and get everybody hyped up and excited?
And then, like, I just, I don't, this is one thing I've never understood about Savant,
is that they hype this stuff up, and they come in, and they never deliver on some of this stuff.
Yeah.
It's kind of been disappointing.
Because if you look at the product as a whole, you look at the interface, you look how easy it is to use, it's actually a pretty good system.
I like Savant.
But I just don't get this side of their business, like why they do this.
Yeah, I hear you.
Yeah, they've certainly garnered a reputation for that over the years in terms of kind of vaporware, not hyping things up and then not pushing them out.
But hard to say. Maybe they just get excited about the new stuff and are eager to share,
but yeah, they maybe are underestimating the sort of impact that that can have on dealers'
businesses in terms of not being able to parse out like what
what's actually coming and what should we not be holding our breath about yeah and one thing it's
like um well savant like we treat it kind of like the apple of our industry but they it's like
completely opposite when it comes to them announcing products like apple is hush on like
anything and everything that uh like there was a there was a there's. One of their VPs this week was put on a top secret project.
And they won't even say what his title is anymore.
It's completely different from the way Savant operates here,
where it's just like, oh yeah, here's everything we're dreaming of doing.
Everything possible.
And then like whatever we get to towards the end of the year or towards maybe
next year or two or three years later, who knows? That's what you'll have.
And I guess if you're a dealer,
if you understand that's the working relationship to plan your business,
it's pretty easy to plan around that.
Like just don't sell something until you have it in your hands.
But if you're a customer and you see, you know,
see things press releases or something like that to come along and say,
well, so Vaughn's announcing this voice control thing,
maybe like you get excited about that kind of thing.
Cause you've gotten salon in your house and then it doesn't ever come to be.
I don't know. I'm not saying that Savant voice control isn't. Yeah.
I am saying that the Josh AI integration could be pretty cool.
That, that sounds actually pretty interesting. voice control isn't yeah um i am saying that the josh ai integration could be pretty cool that that
sounds actually pretty interesting yeah well speaking of that i've got a anonymous tip here
so little birdie telling me that it wasn't that it wasn't necessarily that they were going to like
fully integrate i guess they were willing to share their api with josh um so I don't know how big nuanced of a difference that is, but my source here, I feel so like
formal saying that.
I know, right?
You can say whatever you want, Jason.
Yeah, right.
Exactly.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Hey, I got to protect my sources.
It says it was covered during Bob and Donna's keynote,
and they thought it was actually a jab at Josh
and not holding their hand out and inviting them in.
So I don't know, weird dynamic there.
Very strange.
Not sure what to make of that.
But in any event, like we said at the outset of this Savant stuff,
we're all, this is all hot off of, you know, hot off the tip line here.
So I don't, I haven't seen a lot of formal,
really any formal reporting on any of this.
So we'll, you know, take it all through that,
take it all through the appropriate filter.
And I'm sure more news will be coming out
that's, you know, vetted,
not the Home Tech anonymous tip line.
I will say on Josh AI, I have seen,
and it didn't come through our anonymous home tech, home, home tech tip.
It's really hard to say home tech tip line. Um, I, I saw this somewhere else.
And, and the, the,
the brilliant part of this is I literally can't remember what or who I was
talking to about Josh AI, but I know that they have some stuff coming
that will be really cool.
Nice.
And when it gets released,
now I'll remember what it is.
Maybe when I'm editing this show,
maybe later, two, three hours from now,
I'll be like, oh yeah, that's what it was
and that's who it was
and that's who they're going to integrate with.
But I don't remember what it is now to save my life.
And that's probably a good thing.
But I will say- Probably is, yeah. my life. And that's probably a good thing. Yeah.
I will say.
Probably is.
Yeah.
There's some really cool stuff coming down the road. And I do remember kind of what it is,
but I don't remember who it was or what they were integrating with.
So there,
uh,
there's a,
there's a Josh AI tip.
Yeah.
Well,
I got,
you know,
the tip line is blowing up here tonight.
I got one more,
uh,
Savant home,
their app for the TV,
apparently coming to the Fire Stick from Amazon.
Interesting.
Interesting, yeah.
So there's that.
I could see, that's actually a really good idea.
And I would like to see more home,
like commercial, like prosumer stuff,
like Crestron Home, Control 4, Savant in this case, Elan, like prosumer stuff like Crestron home control for Savant in this
case, Elan, like try and put their interfaces on, uh, third-party devices, maybe like Amazon,
maybe like Roku, maybe like Apple TV and seeing how like you could utilize those interfaces,
uh, for your interface rather than like these expensive controllers that they're using with the HDMI and everything built into them. I think it's like, it's kind of like the
thin client model of computing where you have like these little thin client terminals all around the
house. It costs like $35. And then all of a sudden you get a mainframe, which is what runs everything.
I think that could be a really cool idea. So I'm glad somebody, you know, is pursuing it. It'd be
interesting to see what they do with it. Yeah.
Yeah, really quickly. And then we'll keep moving because we got a lot of ground to cover here still.
Looks like also, again, I mentioned this, some announcements on their Savant customer support model.
I don't think this is brand new.
My memory is a little fuzzy on this one, but I feel like I've seen some news on this before.
So they've got kind of a customer support model here, um, direct to the end user. So you can have, apparently have your
end user sort of call in to this, this customer care line. They've got some recurring revenue
pricing and things like that, that they're trying to put in, uh, around that. So we'll be really
interesting. I, I gotta say like, I... Sounds familiar, Jason.
Yeah. Well, I was going to say, like, first and foremost, clearly I'm biased, right? So let's
just get that on the table, like 100%. I fully own that. But, you know, I am just very curious
about this, knowing what we know about doing this sort of thing, like in how integrated these systems are, customers aren't typically aware of,
am I experiencing a savant issue?
Is it a cable issue?
Is it a Sonos issue?
Is it a, you know, you name it, right?
And so I'm curious like how they'll sort of scope this
versus a more universal approach of saying like,
we support the entire home versus
maybe just supporting Savant. I'm not sure. I have a lot of questions around that. But
overall, I do think it's interesting. And I think it's good to see more companies thinking in this
way, thinking about service and not just thinking about moving boxes. So overall, I think that's a
good thing. Yeah, definitely, definitely a good thing thing and also validating like you know this validates what uh you guys are doing over
there at one vision uh in in some way uh if it's like to me it means like these manufacturers if
they start looking at this business model there's there's something there you know i think there's
something there i know there's something there yeah i mean there's a big a big hairy problem
there that we've got to figure out as an industry of, of how to make sure clients have a great experience after the installation.
And we all know anyone who's been in the business at all knows that that's a really
difficult thing to execute, especially as a company grows and gets busy. And so, yeah,
overall, I think it's good to see other companies focusing on this. Like you alluded to at OneVision, we're focused on this problem.
We have definitely broadened our approach out and we're really focused on kind of the
whole pie, right?
In terms of the business and how do you set up the entire sort of operation to support
clients.
So much, much, much more than picking up the phones and providing that tier one support, but that is a core part of our offering. And so obviously interested to
see other companies taking the swing at it. Well, so that's, uh, I do want to, that's all
the news we have this week, but I do want to throw a one link into our show notes and talk about,
um, this, uh, crazy fundraiser.
This is what we have to do here in America.
This is a GoFundMe for a friend of the industry,
Scott Van Utert.
I don't even know how to pronounce his last name.
I don't think I've ever had to.
I've just walked up to him at Cedia and said,
hey, Scott, how's it going?
We would talk.
If you have been involved with Control 4,
you've probably touched scott's work and in some kind of way he's he's a software engineer that works at control four
uh turns out towards the end of last year uh thanks jason he he got um he got like uh had
an ache in his back or something like that turned outed out he had stage four cancer that had metastasized into his spine.
So they have been, he's taking a leave of absence.
And kind of, you can read more here on the GoFundMe story what's going on.
But basically, insurance and long-term disability just don't cover what his salary was.
So this is kind of like to make up for that and help support his family and i i hope like everybody in the home tech nation can go over
and uh and help uh scott i mean he is he's a super nice guy um just throw throw what you can
five ten bucks twenty bucks whatever you can over and help the family out there because uh scott is
this is one of the the workers inside the industry Scott is, this is one of the workers inside the industry.
This is not, this is somebody that's behind the scene.
This is not somebody that is out in the forefront of doing things. This is somebody that's daily trying to make our lives as integrators, consumers better.
So I'm doing my part in trying to help him out and trying to help his family out here
on the podcast.
Yeah.
I really hope that he gets better and gets past this.
Yeah. Yeah. Hopefully we can inspire a couple of people to go donate. Every little bit counts with these sorts of things. I know it's cliched to say, but it's absolutely true.
Given the internet now, there's so much reach in these things. And if everyone just gives a little
bit, that can go a really, really long way. So, yeah, gosh, gosh, it's, it's just so, yeah, it's, it's hard.
It's a wake up call. Anytime you read one of these things and, um, just reminds you like that, uh,
this, this could be any one of us and, and you would hope that the, that the community would
rally around you if you were in that position. And so, yeah, I won't, uh, I won't belabor it
other than to say, we'll include a link in the show notes.
We posted one in the live chat.
I tweeted this out as well.
And every little bit helps.
Yep.
And also said something about here, donate blood for recurring transfusions, if you can do that.
If you can donate blood.
Now, I know not everybody can, but if you can, donate blood.
It's pretty good.
People really, really, I mean, that's one thing that doesn't
cost any money that you can do. Yeah. Don here in the chat room,
awesome, said he'll match the first hundred from this channel, which is really generous. So
hopefully others will get in on that. I know I did a small donation already. Seth, you did as well.
So thank you, Don. That's really generous of you. Thanks, guys.
So moving on from there, like we said, Seth, we want to do a little bit of a then and now reflection here as we're getting ready to shift gears. And I'm going to take a step back here
from the show. I thought it would be fun to take a look back. And Seth, the first thing that I did
where I kind of wanted to start this conversation was went back and listened to episode number one, hometech.fm slash one.
And it was really fun.
I have to tell you, like, I was ready to just absolutely cringe when I listened to it.
And I cringed a little bit, but it wasn't as bad as I thought it was going to be.
I think we did a good job for taking a quick swing at it. I remember when you and I first started talking about doing the show, we had met on integrationprose.org is where you and I first got in contact.
And I had reached out.
I don't remember who reached out first, but it was basically like, hey, we seem to have similar viewpoints on things.
Do we want to maybe try and do a collaboration?
And you had said, hey, I was thinking about starting a podcast.
And literally, I think it was like two weeks later, we were sitting down
and recording our first show. So we moved quick and I'm really glad we did. Um, it was fun to go
back and listen to that show. Yeah. I, I, I, I did the same since we talked about this. It's like,
let me, let me go see, uh, see what we were thinking about uh back then and uh
i stand by it i it's still a pretty good show it's great it was good we were pretty enthralled
with like uh what was that thing uh oh man revolve but uh that was a big one but it was a big one
yeah it it didn't uh you know that that particular product uh didn't hold up but i i you know i think
everything else is pretty good, pretty on point.
No, it was great.
It was great.
Anthony's here said he's been listening since number one and really appreciate that.
That's awesome to hear.
Yeah, Revolve was one of the big things.
So this show was February 12, 2014.
And I'm Googling right now.
When did Google buy Nest?
Oh, wait, no, that's a different date. It was 2014. It was like right before we did the show. So we talked about that. That was just
sort of incidental timing there. But yeah, it was a show where we talked about designing a smart
home. I think interestingly, a lot of the things we talked about still very much apply. Of course,
some of that is purely a reflection of the fact that we focused on more like evergreen topics. So thinking about design and whether or not again, a lot of different episodes and show notes.
And I took a particularly close look at our fireside specials that we did every year. I
thought that would be a good vantage point to kind of get a sense for what happened each year. And
there's been a lot of really, really interesting stories. So we talked a little bit about Google
buying Nest already. We talked about Revolve. That obviously got purchased by
Google as well. I can't remember if it was Nest technically that bought Revolve, but
got shut down right away and that team got rolled in. Amazon Alexa becoming the big thing. That
wasn't even around when we first started the show, which is kind of crazy to think about.
Yeah, that reminds me. One of our first episodes was, uh was we talked to uh i can't remember it was a company out of uh new jersey
and voice pod voice pod yeah yeah yeah that was like one of our first interviews yeah yeah i mean
it was like he was doing this weird really weird voice control thing it seemed like it had some
legs to it it was really cool what
you could do with it. It was very, you know, pretty limited on what he was able to do, um,
with, with, you know, a smaller shop, but man, uh, he, he was, people were putting that product
in and enjoying using it. Little did he know, I'm sure that, you know, something like Amazon
would come along and just absolutely obliterate his industry and, and, and, and just set up an entire new
product altogether. Like you really can only, you really can say like voice control started to exist
when Amazon released the, the Amazon echo. And before that you had tinkers, you had things like
voice pod that were out there. You had howAL 9000 or whatever it was. Yeah.
There was a product.
I can't remember what it was called, but it was before that.
It was like Windows software that you could run on your computer, and it would take voice commands into it, process whatever you said, and try and automate off that.
Amazon came in and just kind of blew everybody else out of the water.
And I think that was a distinct turning point for the industry in the last,
you know, five or six years. So it is very interesting to see very,
a very wild ride after that. Because, you know,
Amazon wasn't even thinking of using the Amazon echo as like a home control
device. I think today we kind of take that for granted. We kind of say, Oh yeah,
the Amazon echo. Yeah. I use that to turn on and off my lights or whatever.
But you go back and look in front of that first goofy commercial that they had.
I don't even think it was a bullet point on what they were selling.
It was more like Amazon Echo.
You can ask it quirky things like the weather and for a joke, and it'll tell you a dad humor joke.
That was it.
It didn't do anything else.
But people bought it and started using it and enjoyed and um you know they started adding more and more features it just like
you know everything uh got better and better and uh here we are today where it's just kind of like
a household alexa is a household name absolutely is and yeah i don't think they were even
intending to design the echo at first like as i as I understand it, it was sort of a by-product of
the phone, which was of course a commercial disaster. But yeah, really interesting that that,
like, just to go back and think, it's only six short years ago that that wasn't even around.
And now it's just ubiquitous. And of course, you've got all of the other smart speakers out there. So that's really become a major, major category that didn't even exist when we started doing
the show.
Another one here, HomeKit.
HomeKit, I think was, I don't even remember exactly where that was, but I don't think
it was around because I remember we were listening to episode one and yeah, we were speculating
like, yeah, what is that? What is Apple going to do? They're
sort of sitting on the sidelines for now. Yeah. Our episode, one of our most listened to episodes
was a home kit one-on-one. I'm trying to look up the episode right now, but it was, uh, it was,
uh, it was basically after they announced it, I sat through some of the WWDC sessions and watch
those as they, I think, I don't think they were streaming
them or something like that. But I pulled all the information I could out of it and started to talk
about what you could do with HomeKit. And yeah, completely different, completely different thought
process is what Apple brought to the table. And they basically turned all of their phones they're extremely popular phones and ios devices into hubs
for the home so uh yeah it wasn't around home gets around now completely different uh different world
yeah here's another good one seth the neo journey so man i was thinking about neo and like what an
interesting i guess just kind of case study in the evolution of the smart home over the last, whatever, four or five years, whenever they initially came around.
So they had their wildly successful Kickstarter campaign.
They raised like $1.5 million.
I think it set records, at least at the time.
I don't know if that record has been broken now, but then, you know, they had some
challenges getting it out. They sort of ran into the reality of producing one of these devices and
getting it out in the smart home, started to see some traction there, very quickly got acquired by
Control 4, still a part of that technically, but then Control 4 got, you know, merged in or acquired by SnapAV.
And so again, just kind of like an interesting microcosm of this Kickstarter, wildly successful
Kickstarter product. And now, you know, part of SnapAV and Chris and Neo crushed people's dreams.
They did. They did.
You know, that it was hard. It was hard. That was hard. definitely. They had a very loyal support base, and that is now a professional-only product. That one was definitely an interesting story as I look back on the last five, six years. There's not so much. There's like rumors and rumblings that Logitech may shut down the Harmony program.
It was because like, I guess this day and age, cam girls have made the video camera and mouse peripherals are much more profitable.
I don't know.
I don't know how this works.
It's all business.
But they're like, yeah, this is a very expensive product line.
Not because like they don't make money on the hardware, but it's something that they have to support.
They have to keep updating.
There's engineering costs that go into it.
There's servers they have to keep up to keep their Amazon integrations going and that kind of thing.
And there's also customer support.
Your webcam doesn't work.
It's pretty basic.
It's probably unplugged at that point, right?
There's not much that can go wrong with a webcam or a mouse these days, but your remote doesn't work. You know, you got to
call Harmony up or Logitech and sit on the phone and talk to them, man, that's, that's pretty rough.
So it really does suck that something like Neo doesn't exist for the consumer these days. So
they can start investing in some other platform because really there's not any great remotes out
there right now, other than, you know, great consumer facing universal remotes um right now and and also the other
question you know streaming can be another one of your big point bullet points like streaming
didn't exist when we started this show it is now and the question is do you even need a remote
universal remote anymore because everything is kind of we're all aiming for that input zero where
we just use the
TV remote and turn it on and go with things that way. Yeah. Yeah. Definitely use cases where
obviously that's still needed and important, but totally agreed in many scenarios now it's
becoming less and less important as the amount of peripheral devices required to access content has dropped tremendously. So has the need for
sophisticated remote controls. It makes sense. So that is an interesting trend.
I love these next two together. Don't want to spend a ton of time on these, but
you know, the SnapAV acquisitions, the growth of SnapAV, and specifically the one that's of
most interest to me there is the consolidation in the remote systems management, RSM space. So it was not long ago,
less than four years ago, that we had four major players. We had Domotes, we had iHeiji, we had
Backpack, and then we had Oversee as the four major players in remote systems management.
Well, three of those four now are all under the SnapAV Oversee brand.
Plans to consolidate those continue.
Like that's not all done yet.
But Domotes is the one that's remained independent.
And so that's been definitely a trend that I've been personally very interested in, given my interest in the service service and support side of the industry and domots is pretty much pivoted away from the
industry too they've they've they're serving what are they called um not isps but like
managed service providers that's what it is they're looking to basically uh put those devices
in and service larger you know not larger but like office networks and that kind of thing so
you see like the features that they're releasing right now it's all aimed at helping out managed
service providers not so much av integrators because that's kind of like done and taken care
of but also there's a free channel that they've been all kind of drifting to so between oversee
and uh and uh backpack uh and and a hiji i guess, it's kind of hard to make a business plan
and go up against free if that's not your goal.
So it does, this is kind of one of those times
where I'm like, man, it really does suck.
Like, I really wish there were like two or three
really good players where we can all kind of
like pick and choose from,
but it's definitely all consolidated under one house now,
at least as far as our industry is concerned.
Right.
Right.
So another,
another top,
top line one here,
Seth hubs.
Is it domotes?
I mean,
I gotta ask,
is it domotes or domotes?
I don't,
I still don't know.
I heard you pronounce it.
I was like,
well,
he does this every day.
Maybe he knows I'm going to say domotes.
And now I think I say it wrong. Well, old habits die hard there you go so yeah moving on here hubs uh
specifically staples had a hub lows had a hub wink we talked about earlier on the show still
hanging on but barely the revolve hub hub. We talked about already what happened there.
There are hubs still around,
obviously. There are some
still carving out a spot for themselves,
but yeah, this was like hub
mania. We had the hub bell for a while
there. I can't ring it. It's been like it's got
dust on it. Yeah, there we go.
Yeah, give that one more
for old time's sake.
We don't really need it anymore.
I mean, hubs have kind of,
no one's announcing a new hardware hub this day and age.
The hubs are built into refrigerators
for Samsung smart things.
They're built into your Amazon Echoes.
They're built into your phones for HomeKit.
And Google has their own,
I mean, they have their hub devices,
but they have their own like screen technologies
and Google Home devices that they're using. So i really don't see a market for hubs anymore it's
kind of wild that that was kind of like a flash in the pan um where you and i probably i i can
definitely think that you and i or say that when you and i were talking hubs were just kind of like
the next big thing that's where everything was going go. You were going to buy a revolve hub. It's got 17 antennas in it.
It's going to support 30 different devices.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Not so the case.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's pretty interesting.
Savant's retail remote.
We can move through that one quick.
So part of the remote landscape that we already talked about that just did not go well for the company. So that's kind of a chapter in Savant's history
that they'd probably prefer to move past,
move through that one quickly.
The Ring acquisition by Amazon, that was a big deal.
That one wasn't all that long ago.
Another billion dollar smart home acquisition.
That one was a shocker.
And the Control 4 acquisition by SnapAV,
both of those were shockers to see go through as far as like jaws dropping on the floor
like ring being acquired by amazon and then like i would remember explaining control for being
acquired by snap av i was like well imagine if a company like ring was acquired by amazon
and uh yeah that had already happened so they they could you know see exactly what that meant like
yeah control for is a mainline brand.
Ring was a mainline brand acquired by a giant distributor of product.
And it's like one kind of followed the other.
And it was kind of funny to explain that to people on the outside of the industry,
why it was such a big deal that Control 4 was acquired.
Yeah, definitely.
Quick story on Ring.
When we had first started doing the show, I was living in Los Angeles at the time, on the west side of Los Angeles near Santa Monica.
And there was an Internet of Things, IoT Meetup, being hosted on meetup.com.
And I participated in that a couple of times.
And they had one event at Ring's headquarters there in Santa Monica.
And I went and I met Jamie and several other people on
the team. And I remember they had like this sort of garage-like work area as part of the building
that was really kind of messy. And I remember just thinking like, man, this company is getting a lot
of traction. And it was cool actually to see. Like I actually thought it was cool actually to see, like, I actually thought it was cool just to be able to be there and see like, these are just normal people, like working in a building that's kind of a mess and
just trying to figure stuff out. And, uh, here we are, you know, six years later, they were acquired,
you know, for billions by Amazon and hats off to them. What a, what a success story that is.
I think up until like a couple of months ago, they were still in that garage too.
Uh, they, I, from what I understand, months ago, they were still in that garage too.
From what I understand, they've purchased an office, but also, you know, add onto your list of things here, COVID. Like also, I think everybody's still working from home. So yeah,
no, no doubt. Not so much of an office, but you know, they have a place for people to go back to
whenever all this blows over. Yeah. One other big one mesh wifi. That really
wasn't a, wasn't a big thing. Certainly I, that, that one's, that one's blown up. So Eero being
like the big one Eero, another Amazon acquisition there, um, tons of, tons of companies in that
space now. And that's really become like, like we've talked about a kind of table stakes,
right? And I total speculation here, but I do wonder if that was part of the reason
that Apple got out of the airport business.
You know, that was a pretty big announcement
when that came to light,
that Apple wasn't going to be doing
their airport Wi-Fi stuff anymore.
And I suspect, you know, they were looking at the market
and it's just like, it's getting a crowded market.
Everyone's getting in.
Like, let's focus on what we do best
and let others sort of take care of the Wi-Fi piece.
Right.
Yeah, and Apple would have had to have updated.
I remember talking about those mesh Wi-Fi things and thinking, okay, there's a chip that is enabling this, right?
Like Qualcomm or somebody, some chip manufacturer has come up with this mesh product.
It wasn't Eero.
Like Eero basically put the product together around that chip.
Yeah.
But Eero was kind of first to market with it
and really hit a home run with their product
and how well and easy it was to set up.
They did a good job marketing.
Of course, Amazon ended up buying them later on for their efforts.
So good job, guys.
But yeah, I think Apple would have had to basically take in their routers
and redesign them on whatever platform this was developed on.
And I think at the time, the company was just more like, well, we got iPhones.
And why invest in routers when we have iPhones making us money?
And that whole airport, I mean, I remember airports, you would go into a house in the airport and it's like, all right, wifi is taken care of.
I don't have to worry about it.
But, um, you know, as, as it, as it kept going, like airports just kind of dropped off the
radar.
You'd not want to work with them anymore.
You do a mesh wifi technology like Eero, get that thing up and going, um, a lot faster.
Uh, and Apple basically pulled like you
said pulled out on the market that was a huge deal uh it was really wild to see
i guess coming from our angles from how many of those apple airport extremes and expresses that
we've seen in the market like i actually i actually uh have one for the museum back there
up on the shelf good yeah yeah very good you have that. What's crazy is they still work.
They still work, Jason.
They were updated with AirPlay 2.
So you can actually still use them as an AirPlay 2 endpoint.
Huh.
Yeah.
Well, I really liked them.
I know that in the Cedia community, they were sort of a divisive product, so to speak.
Like the more hardcore network guys would definitely look down their nose at me for
saying that. But I thought they were great for the right job. I mean, they have their limits
and you weren't necessarily going to go run a 20,000 square foot house on them,
obviously, but yeah, for what they did, I thought they were great. So that was interesting.
Well, speaking of the museum, Seth, Wipe Warmer 3000. I had to get that one on here
oh man tell me you still have the wipe warmer
3000
honestly I don't know
it's probably in a box
somewhere yeah
I do know that the domain still works
so if you go to wipe warmer 3000.com
it should bring you
to the wipe warmer
3000.com website where you can check out the Wipe Warmer 3000 and see if it's still there.
Wipewarmer3000.com.
There it is.
The world's first internet-connected wipe warmer.
Oh, classic.
Yep.
Yep. Oh, classic. Yep, yep. I remember making this thing, shipping it over to you,
because I had never, as a non-parent,
had never seen a white warmer before.
And somebody had told me about white warmers,
and I was like, you know what?
Jason's a parent.
He will probably want a white warmer,
but we got to automate this thing.
And I ordered some kind of crazy parts from China.
You did, you did. The full thing.
Yeah.
I put it together, and I turned on and off the wipe warmer from Sarasota, Florida, up to Denver to get those wipes warmed.
You could do it over and over.
It was great.
This was the biggest home technology story of the last five years that you never heard about.
This one went way under the radar.
Totally underappreciated. this one went way under the radar totally under appreciated assistant shield thing we did too
like the mirrored thing block lasers from hitting your your speaker so it can hear what you're
saying that's right it was like a tissue box or something no i don't know it was a custom made
mirror box jason clearly oh of course yeah Sorry. I think we tried to sell those and they didn't go so well.
No Kickstarter for me.
It was MVP.
You know?
Yeah, yeah.
Oh, too good.
It's funny stuff.
Well, the streaming explosion I had listed on here, we already touched on that a little bit.
Just the massive boom in different streaming services. Apple, Disney+, NBC has theirs, HBO Max,
tons of them. I won't rattle them all off, but anyone who's listened to the show for any period
of time knows this has been, to me, one of the most interesting trends in the smart home over
the last several years, just completely changing the way that we consume content in the home. Streaming services in general, I'm talking mostly about video here, but streaming audio as
well, you could include in that. It's been a wild ride with streaming in general.
Yeah, absolutely. And then last on our list here, one trend that I thought was interesting,
that's kind of quieted down. I'm curious to know what's going on here, but it was definitely
something that had jumped out at us as an interesting trend as we were doing the show was
builders, sort of production builders showing increased interest in the smart home. You had
Brookfield, Lenar, KB Homes, all working, I think, in various capacities with HomeKit, if my notes
were correct on that one. Lenar doing their ruckus Wi-Fi certification. Toll Brothers doing their TBI smart home solutions subsidiary.
So increasing interest from the production builder side.
And I think a strong indication that assuming builders continue to move in that direction,
that these things will indeed become more mainstream.
But speaking of mainstream, that's just one of the interesting things,
sort of a macro trend that we were talking about way back on episode one, like what, what is it going to
take for the smart home to really go mainstream? And I think we've seen tremendous movement in
that direction with things like the Amazon echoes and, um, you know, uh, home kit and
Google getting more and more into it, but, um, yeah, still not what I would consider mainstream.
Yeah, I don't know.
I think it's more mainstream than it was.
I think what we were...
I remember one of the things I was saying back then was,
and I remember it because I listened to it
like less than two or three hours ago.
Not that I remember what I said six years ago.
One of the things I was saying is they're going to make all these devices.
We're going to see a lot of research and development put into making devices
that are smart, and they're just going to come out of the box smart,
and they're going to work with each other.
And I think we've seen that.
When you go and buy a product on Amazon or at the store or whatever,
it may have a HomeKit label on it.
It may have a Google label or an Amazon label.
And I think that is at least on people's minds when they're,
at least manufacturers' minds when they're making these products.
It's like, well, how are we going to do this?
And I'm happy to see that.
I'm happy to see, like like the interoperability between products.
Right now it's kind of like still siloed.
Like you still have the Amazon silo.
You have the Google silo.
You have the Apple silo.
There's no this prompt, the chip promise, right?
Chip connected home over IP that everybody's all excited about.
There's no real information on that.
And there's no nothing that says that's going to be a success at all. Like, so we've still got our silos we got to work in, um, which isn't
like anything different that was going on back then, Jason, like you had your Crestron silo,
you had your control for silo, you know, you, you definitely had, um, had particular brands that
only worked with their stuff. Um, it's just a little bit bigger now, right? You have these,
I think it's a little bit more mainstream. I don't think is there yet.
I don't think home automation, home control is,
is what you would say mainstream. I still think,
I still think we're in the early adoption phase and until, until it,
like you said, builders are building it in the home but until it
becomes like well of course builders are building in the home it's just like of course they're
putting electricity in my house of course they're putting air conditioning of course they're putting
home animation yeah until or to that point i'm not going to say it's a mainstream thing um
until we get to that that that those conversations when we're having conversations
yeah but but you're right i mean sort of hint at, I think the statement that I would close this section on is that
anytime you're trying to watch kind of like an innovative trend or sort of these macro trends
of like what's happening in, I don't know, space or auto-driving cars or any of these things. When you zoom in close
and you're doing a show week in and week out, for example, on a smart home, it can feel like
things are moving really slowly because you're just too close to it. And that's just how things
work. I think we sort of fall in love with the idea of the big
innovative breakthrough or the, the one product that really makes us take a huge leap forward.
But in reality, all of these things are incremental and messy and they just take time to evolve. And
I think that the last five to six years in the smart home that we've been doing this show,
there's been tremendous movement forward in terms of making the smart home more accessible, making it more affordable, making it more sophisticated.
And it's been really fun to sit down every week with you and watch it all happen.
Yep. No, it's been a blast for six years to sit down every week.
I mean, literally almost every week.
I think we took a couple.
We say this.
We've taken a couple of weeks off here and there for things like, oh, vacations and holidays with
the family. But yeah, for the past six years, it's been a good run. So I'm sure things will
continue moving on in the home technology space and, you know, I'll try and keep that going.
And if you ever want to say something and come back on the show and talk tech, hey, we're here. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. I'm just doing some math here. So six years we've been doing the show
times... No, I was told there'd be no math.
52 shows a year. That doesn't make sense. So 312. We're on 337.
It's bonus episodes.
I got something screwed up there, but yeah, we've, we've definitely worked hard to try to try to get, get these shows out every, every single week. And we've, we've missed a few, but
that's been one of the most, I think, fun parts of working with, with you on the show and having a,
having a partner who's really dedicated to sitting down every single week, weekend and week out, moving lots of stuff around in our
personal lives. It's not always easy. There's a lot of behind the scenes sort of coordination
that goes in to, to making that all happen. Sometimes things get busy and we got to move
stuff around, but, um, yeah, it's been, it's been awesome. I'm like I said earlier, really,
really grateful for all of it. Same, same here. I will echo the, that and say, uh, it's been awesome. I'm, like I said earlier, really, really grateful for all of it. Same here. I will echo that and say it's been a pleasure.
It's absolutely been, like I said, it's been fun.
Well, do we want to close things out with one last pick of the week here?
Yeah.
Yeah, I found a, the pick of the week thing has been really fun because I always run across
these quirky things and I'm glad there was a segment we kind of started up.
But this one did not escape from the meme generation that we've had over this Bernie Sanders thing, Jason.
I mean, they're putting him everywhere.
And it turns out a company called Kadrillion, which is a CAD company that you can get to basically outsource your CAD drawings.
It's an AV company or engineering company. Has made a Bernie Sanders CAD block that you can get to basically, you know, outsource your CAD drawings is an AV company or engineering company has made a
Bernie Sanders CAD block that you can get. And yeah, there you can,
you can have got a nice little picture of him sitting there under, you know,
in a, in a, in a elevation with an Epson projector and a screen on the wall.
And yeah, Bernie Sanders sitting there with his mittens i love this looking cold
these these memes are so they're just fascinating to me like this was just a picture of bernie
sanders sitting in a chair but it just totally caught fire and i like my sister sent one to the
family that was we kind of had like an inside joke about, and that was the first
I saw of it. And I like, didn't get it. I was like, I don't understand what this is. And yeah,
shortly later, shortly after that I did, but, uh, this is good. This is good. This is one of
the better ones I've seen. So yeah. If you do any CAD drawings or engineering, be sure to include
this in there. Yeah. People will know it's to life size. It's to scale. So why not?
That's really funny.
Yeah, you got to get that one in there while it's still topical.
Give your architects and designers and homeowners a little bit of a laugh next time they open up your CAD drawings.
Yeah, I don't know.
I'm seeing them build, you know, Bernie and the picture of him into video games.
I think it's going to have a little more legs than,
than,
you know, the flash in the pan meme.
It's going to be around.
Then your typical meme.
Yep.
Yep.
It's going to be a while.
That's funny.
We'll close this show out a little bit differently than we typically do.
So not our,
our typical announcements here again,
Seth is going to carry the torch,
which I am really happy to know that that's where you landed and decided to
do.
And I'll continue to,
to check in and, and I'll stay signed to do. And I'll continue to check in
and I'll stay signed into that, the Slack, the hub community there. And we'll check in and chime in
if anyone wants to reach out. I would love to hear that. And I'm going to be repetitive and just say
it one last time. Really appreciative, Seth, of everything that you've done to make this a successful show.
And also really just tremendously grateful for all of the community and great people that we've built up.
And I really hope that I stay connected to everyone.
Again, I'll be doing work over at PillarsofImpact.com or follow me over on Twitter at Jason Griffin.
And don't know where exactly that's going to take me,
but I'm looking forward to the experiment
and hope some people will come tune in and follow along.
Well said.
And Jason, it's been a pleasure.
Like I said, I'll say it again.
It's been a pleasure.
It's a, it's a, I'm not kidding when it's,
if you have the opportunity to work with Jason,
work with Jason.
He's a, he's great.
He's absolutely fun to, fun to be around
and just really puts, puts all his passion into projects.
So good guy.
So really appreciate it, Jason.
And we are going to end the show.
I guess we're not doing the announcements
and anything like you said.
So thanks, everybody, for listening.
And thanks, everybody, for joining in the live chat too.
You have been lively tonight.
Yeah. Awesome. Really fun. I don't think we could have done this without you.
But thanks everybody for listening and Jason, have a great weekend.
All right. Thanks everyone. Take care.