HomeTech.fm - Episode 371 - Matter or GTFO

Episode Date: January 14, 2022

This is the Home Tech Podcast for Friday, January 14th. From Sarasota, Florida, I'm Seth Johnson, and welcome to the Home Tech Podcast, a podcast about all aspects of home technology and home automation. Yeah, it's some new music, which means it's a new show, right? New show. I'm calling this Home Tech Podcast 3 new show, right? New show. I'm calling this a home tech podcast 3.0, right? And, uh, you know, last, I guess the end of last year, I put a call, call out and said, Hey, like some help on the show. And, um, like within hours, you know, I, I edit the show

pretty late at night and I say pretty late at night. It probably gets published like two in the morning sometimes. And that's because I'm up to two in the morning, pressing the publish button, um, editing, you know, it's, this is labor love. And,

uh, like literally the next morning, uh, two people reached out with me, reached out to me within like minutes of each other. And I said, Hey, we'd love to help.

And it's, it's great. Longtime friends, uh, of the show and longtime acquaintances. I mean, I've, I've met,

I've met one of these people here at an ISE, and I'm so glad to have him on the show. I'm going to introduce him first, and then the next person, TJ Huddleston. TJ, welcome to the Home Tech Podcast as one of the co-hosts. Tell us a little bit about you, TJ, where you're from, what you're hoping to do here on the show. Yeah, absolutely. So I am based out of Powell, Ohio, just right outside Columbus, Ohio. And I own a technology services company that helps people with home automation, networking, security cameras, and pretty much everything technology in the house. And I have used a wide array of products from DIY to professional and I just like new technology so

this is a natural fit for somebody who's always playing with technology absolutely that's that's one of the things I like about you TJ you're always like in in you have your hand your hands on guy like you're always in the mix between and and now you're you're you're like you've you've started you've literally just like on within the show's lifetime and i would say within the last year or two you've started your own business like you've been talking about this for a long time and now you're you're you're starting things up i think it's been kind of like one of those labor love things from like you've been doing on the side like side gig stuff and now you've officially like turned the uh the key over like and and the car is

cranking up right now and you're, and you're ready to drive. Yeah, absolutely. You have a van. I just want to have a van. So you're, you're official now. Yeah. And actually just like you were saying, I was part time, I was working, you know, a full-time job and I was working in, you know, my company full time for the past two years. And, uh, actually on December 31st of 2021, I quit my other job and I took my company full time. So, you know, we've got a van now and, you know, we're working on getting some partnerships with some good brands and all that kind of fun stuff. So. Awesome. Well, congratulations and you're part of the great, great resignation generation, I guess that makes you a one, one of them. So good job. And, uh, and then the next, the, the, the second person, and I, I really don't remember what order the emails came in so fast, but the next person, um, who

I had actually, you know, thought of in the past, and I think may have been on the show in the past. Uh, yeah. Okay. Um, friend of the show, longtime friend of the show, Gavin Campbell, Gavin, welcome to the show. Thank you very much. Like you said, I'm a longtime friend of the show, longtime friend of the show, Gavin Campbell. Gavin, welcome to the show. Thank you very much. Like you said, I'm a longtime listener of the show. You know, I always have virtual conversations whenever I'm listening to the show. I've always like been yelling at you guys or trying to talk to you guys, but I'm glad I could be here and contribute now.

And you know, my history, you know, I dabble in the smart home stuff. I've been doing it for a number of years and I do a little bit more than dabbling. I get down and dirty in the weeds. I write my own drivers, write my own apps, really dig into the devices and stuff. And hopefully I can bring some of that to the show. Yeah, and specifically, you're not a – this isn't like your day job. You're not a professional. You're in the – I would say a professional DIYer, right? But you're, you're on the, um, you have your, you're in the weeds when it comes to

DIY product. Um, and, and, and that's one of the things that I, when I thought of, like, I really, I'm kind of more interested in DIY and what's going on there. There's a lot of movement going on, uh, as we'll probably talk about in this show. But I don't know too much about it. There are brands that you and Greg in the chat talk about all the time. And I have no idea what you're talking about. I'm like, who are you speaking English? No, you can't be. And it's, you know, some company I've never heard of, but have should have because every DIYer out there knows about this product. So I think it's your great addition to the show in that respect. You know, kind of like contrasting my experience and what will be TJ's experience,

because TJ, you're actually kind of moving from mostly DIY information kind of thing. I think you were an integrator in the past. Like you have some experience. Yeah, definitely. With like Crestron and RTI and stuff, my own company, I've always done DIY stuff. Right. So you're kind of moving from DIY into more of the professional space. You'll be, you'll, you'll, you'll be seeing the transition that DIY is going through right now, but also looking at it through the lens of like, you know, there's, you have access to product that you can fully customize and do kind of whatever you want with it. So, um, I think this is gonna, this like partnership here is going to

be really cool moving forward. And we're all going to have our own interesting perspective to bring forward as we move through the next, you know, a couple of years, I guess, I don't know, how long can we make this thing last? This, this is, this has been a, it's been a fun show. And like I said, Home Tech 3.0 like this is the beginning of the streak so yeah we're one of one right now one of one yeah all right it's pretty good uh 100 at this point so it's pretty good um but with that uh i know i know we we've had some couple of ideas that we've kind of been discussing over the last week um about things to bring to the show that you guys had some great ideas. Um, and, and one

of the things, Gavin, I'll let you speak to this. Uh, and I actually TJ too, you, you both, I think I talked to you both separately and you both had the same exact idea and that's to bring back the, like this technology showcase, what I called the projects project. So as I had, I didn't have any, I didn't have any idea what to call it. We, Jason and I kind of went back and forth and we're like, let's just call it the projects project, But basically a technology showcase, like have people, you know, come forward with ideas and projects and things that they're doing and show off what they're doing right now in their house. Gavin, why don't you tell me kind of like what you're thinking about that? Oh yeah. I think that's when I was first on the show, I was doing a projects projects,

you know, a number of years ago. So that's how I kind of got first on the show i was doing a projects projects you know um a number of years ago so that's how i kind of got involved on the first episode but i always like to see what people are doing out there how they're doing it you know the problems they're they're facing and stuff like that and this is a great way to get to talk with the community and you know feel free to reach out to us you know we're here to help. Yep. We all have emails now too, right? So feedback at hometech.fm will probably reach all of us. By the time this episode airs, I'll make a note to do that. But that's one quick way to get to us.

And then also we all have emails, Seth at hometech.fm, TJ at hometech.fm, and Gavin at g-a-v-i-nfm. Um, cause yeah, reach out to us. There is going to be a link in the show notes. I'll put that in there for that projects project page. And you can go in like, let us like, I don't, I don't care if it's like DIY, if you're doing like a little really like unique project or heck, if you're just like proud of how you hung your TV, uh, or if you're like a full, like professional doing a massive, like 35,000 square foot home, like, uh, and there's some unique aspect as if a 35,000 square foot home wouldn't be unique enough. You have some unique thing you want to show off. Uh, let us know. Like we, we, we, if, if you can,

you know, we would love to see, uh see what everybody's doing. And like Gavin said, see what pain points and, you know, problems you might be running into and the solutions you found for those problems. Like that's generally where this technology, at least for me, comes from. I have a problem. How can I invest money into electronics to solve it? It's kind of how I approach things, right? I think we probably all have the same mentality there. But with that said, guys, why don't we do some quick home tech headlines? Let's do it.

Well, first up, it's happened again. Integrators and manufacturers will have to wait a little while longer before heading to Barcelona and attend ISE 2022. Integrated Systems Events has announced a three-month postponement of the industry trade show and conference that was scheduled to take place, I think right in February right now. It's going to take place in May.

So May 10th through 13th, thanks to the increasing impact of the Omicron variant of COVID-19 over in Spain. And after a consultation with ISE exhibitors and visitors, they decided to delay the in-person event in hopes of keeping attendees safe and healthy. My opinion, not a bad idea. But I really have to worry about these shows. We saw CES had to punt as well.

Well, CES kind of pulled way back because I think a lot of people canceled going like major vendors canceled going to the show. But they also did kind of this last minute scramble to do kind of an online event thing. I'm not sure how that worked out. But, yeah, I think these big shows we're seeing, like they just they can't make it happen. They can't get back into their groove. ISE was like massive, like what 70 000 people like it was huge and probably the biggest event in the pro industry because it it spanned both residential and commercial and just massive amounts of people in europe and the states went and attended over in amsterdam they were moving everybody was excited

about the move to barcelona because it's a bigger venue and bigger city and place to go. And it's Barcelona, so why wouldn't you want to go there? And they just haven't been able to get up on that horse and get everybody to Spain. So, guys, what do you think? TJ, what do you think about this? And what do you think about trade shows

here in the States moving forward? I don't see any trade shows, big trade shows, at least happening in the full scale that everybody thinks they're going to happen this year. So I think we'll see more of, you know, scaling back either, you know, postponing or, you know, ending a day or two early for a lot of these giant trade shows. And honestly, I don't think you need to have a lot of trade shows anyway. You know, like CES is kind of cool because you get to see, you know, futuristic products and stuff. But a lot of stuff you see in there doesn't actually materialize. So, you know, it's cool to read about it and cool to see about it. But a lot of the

stuff, I think you can see it online and gain about the same thing. Yeah. Gavin, what do you think? You're going to see more events like this, you know, getting pushed out, getting canceled, you know, because no matter what, people are going to be hesitant to going to them and you need the people there. You need the vendors there. And right now, a lot of people are finding other ways to present their products virtually that they don't need a trade show to go to. So we'll see how it affects it in general. But it's always nice to go to a trade show and meet people too, right?

Yeah, definitely missed that aspect of it. I don't know about anything else. Why can't we just have a big party? Yeah, the rest of the trade show usually isn't that great. Yeah, exactly. It's the social interaction that we all miss. All right, well, moving on here. A new security bulletin is out about a couple of Silicon Labs Z-Wave chipsets that do not support encryption, and they can actually be downgraded to not to use

weaker encryption. And of course, become vulnerable to a denial of service attack. Some of these vulnerabilities are inherent to in the Z-Wave protocol specifications. And this could be a kind of a big issue with many, like many Z-Wave devices are used both in DIY security as well as professional security systems. So this could kind of be a big issue if this is, this attack can be leveraged to, I don't know, open someone's house. Gavin, are you worried about somebody attacking your Z-Wave network and breaking into your house? When it comes to my smart house, I don't, you know what, nothing's secure. You know, like there's so many vulnerabilities I probably don't even know

about. The person just has to be in the vicinity of my Z-Wave network to be able to do this. To be totally safe, it looks like, you know, all your devices have to be the latest chipset. They have to be running S2 encryption, you know, and you're safe at that point. But the device manufacturers don't even have all this stuff implemented properly. You know, there's so many bad devices out there

that, you know, it's going to be a pain to upgrade firmware. Z-Wave firmware upgrade is hard. You're going to have to upgrade hubs, their chips. It's going to be a pain to upgrade firmware. Z-Wave firmware upgrade is hard. You're going to have to upgrade hubs, their chips. It's going to be a lot of work. And this is going to be a messy thing because you're going to have a lot of people complaining about it, even though it's not really a huge deal. They're just always going to be complaining about the fact that it's still there. TJ, you're smiling. What do you think?

Yeah, well, and that's definitely true for a lot of these smart home devices or just IOT I guess we can just call them um is that a lot of them will never be updated so this will always be a problem for you know a certain percentage of devices I will say though as somebody that has z-wave all over my house I'm not really worried about any of these because if somebody's close enough to try to attack my Z wave network, I probably have bigger issues anyway. They're probably going to try to break into my car or like something else. So not really worried about them controlling my Z wave light bulbs. Well, it's, it's funny you mentioned your car. This kind of reminds me of some, uh, things that like you see happening to cars and SUVs right now, like where you're able to basically hijack or repeat

or just overload the little key fob thing and unlock a car, break into it. And these are professionals doing this stuff that are that are able to steal cars and bring them to chop shops and everything, though they have actual computers, onboard computers. They can swap out the car in like under six minutes or something crazy. And can swap out of the car in like under six minutes or something crazy. Uh, and, and they're out of the target parking lot and your car's gone. So, uh, yeah, uh, that kind of reminds me of that. Like if you have somebody close enough to do this, that has the intent to break into your house, one, you're, you're probably, they're probably after something in the house that, that, that you've probably not used.

It's probably a house that has that you've probably not used it's probably a house that has a more rich target than some somebody using diy zigbee security i don't want to i don't want to say anything but like z wave is for you and for me it's but like i don't have anything in my house that i think anybody's going to break in for so i don't know maybe maybe i'm just not the target of whoever's going to be using this. At least I don't think I am. All right. Well, let's move on here. Uh, we're coming off the week of CES. Uh, and we've, we've, we've, we definitely watched a ton. It's like, CES is like a fire hose and we watched a ton of just, we watched a ton of stories and stuff kind of flood the news over the past

week. Some of it was funny. Uh, some of it was just eye rolling. Some of it was kind of cool. Like that BMW car. I really, I mean, it's eye rolling too, but the, there's a BMW car that can change the paint with like e-ink. Um, so that that's neat, but we're probably never going to see that. But, uh, that's what CES is all about, products that are neat. And you'll probably never see. And if you do, yeah, if you do TJ's holding his hand up and making this money, yeah, money gesture, it's going to cost you a lot of money. But that's what CES is for. that I've talked to, and I think everybody here on the show tonight agrees, Matter was the star of the show as far as the home automation world was going. And I really didn't hear very much

of anything else. People in the tech press were talking about Matter and not the BMW car and Matter. And I didn't really hear much else come out. So let's go back to Gavin. Gavin, why don't you kick this off and talk a little bit about what you thought about the Matter coverage at CES this year? You know, it's amazing how much it gets covered for something that hasn't even been released yet. But it was definitely on everything. Every product I announced, one of the first questions was, does it support Matter? And I felt a lot of vendors had to mention Matter at some point for their product to be taken seriously um i'm still reserving my personal judgment about it until i get it in my hand because it may work

nice with one product but when i start throwing 50 of them in my house i don't know how it's going to react or what it's going to interfere with or you know i'm waiting to see but it definitely was the one of the biggest stories at the show yeah like i think tj just mentioned this uh firmware updates like these these are iot type products you're they're going to need firmware updates they're going to stay on the matter network i'm sure there's going to be a vulnerability somewhere along the lines you're're going to need firmware updates. You're going to have bad product that gets introduced with this stamp of approval on it. And that may cause people to kind of move away from it. TJ, what did you think about, what did you think and what did you like, what did you see that was really neat, I guess, that came out of the Matter announcements at CES?

Well, definitely everybody just supporting Matter. And I think this is probably going to be the first major push that DIY home automation has really made since it really became a buzzword. You know, home automation has been around, as we know it, for decades at this point. But nobody has really been able to access it, you know, minus like Z-Wave and Zigbee devices, which have never worked that great. So this is definitely the first push that we're seeing into the home automation space where everybody is partaking in it. And I think we'll actually see some real competition and some real devices coming out. It's really good that a lot of companies are supporting it. And I think that we'll go a lot further with all the support that's already behind it

than we've already reached with like Z-Wave and Zigbee. Yeah, and you ran across this NXP chip. Yeah, and that thing is great. It's an all-in-one chip. It is available to manufacturers. It comes with Wi-Fi 6, Bluetooth Low Energy 5.2, and Thread already built into it. I don't know what pricing is for it, but it's a nice, easy chip that anybody can add to their products to just add those three

into it. Yeah, that hopefully will make the onboarding of matter. I mean, if something doesn't have Wi-Fi these days, I guess it's not really a smart home product. Very few things at this point don't. For example, there were a number of products that were released. There was Comcast announced a new router that was going to include Wi-Fi, 6E, ZigBee, and Matter. That's kind of a big announcement because that's going to be on a ton of homes, right? Like a ton of homes are going to get this default router from Comcast that has a, what do they call it? A matter edge router, which is basically just saying like, it's a hub. There we go. Uh, to bridge, to bridge all those devices together, um, and, and configure everything else up. So I think that's kind of, that's probably one of the

like stronger stories that came out of matter. I know we had a bunch of like smaller products, like sync was like, we're building out this ecosystem and oh yeah, we're going to do matter. You know, like everybody's like, oh yeah, we're going to do that. Um, but, uh, to me, like having something, a company like Comcast throw their hat in the ring there, um, that that's pretty big because that, that's a device that ends up in, in a lot of people's homes and whether they know it or not, you know, or whether Comcast advertises it or puts it on their bill or something that they can sign up and put a smart switch or something inside their house, uh, a matter

compatible smart switch in their house. And maybe they pay $5 extra a month for that feature. Um, they'll, they'll be able to do it. Right. Like you said, it's an access thing. Uh, so that's really cool. Um, Singlet, uh, announced a smart bulb. That was pretty interesting kind of falls in this, that tracks your health. And Gavin, you threw this on the board. Let's talk about this one. Yeah. So Singlet released a bulb. It tracks your health using radio waves, I believe. You know, it makes me wonder, you know, like, do we want this? Is

this something we really want? I can see a niche market for it, you know, because they say people that live alone, you know, elderly, it could track movement and, you know, you can monitor them or something like that. But, you know, you can also just give your grandmother a call and make sure everything's OK every now and then, too. Right. You know, my mom never forgets to remind me that I haven't called her today, you know. Right. So I don't know. It's it's it's a nice product. They make some nice products, though. I have to admit to admit as a company i have a few of their bulbs in the basement they're just zigbee bulbs but they work great never giving me any problems and i like i like the products that they put out nice i see they also announced alongside this um

it's uh some wi-fi string lights they were 80 to 90 per strip available q2 had music sync uh a full color wi-fi bluetooth connected led lamp uh that had like music sync as well i can plug in to the you know power or run on battery for up to eight hours it's kind of neat um so cost 60 to 70 dollars uh let's see wi-fi led essential oil diffuser because that's what everybody needs right and just make sure your oil diffusing is automated. Zigbee window and door sensor and a motion sensor for controlling smart lights. It sounds like, oh, sorry.

One more thing, a Bluetooth mesh LED recessed ceiling lights. No pricing or availability announced on that. That's actually kind of cool. Recessed ceiling lights are everywhere. And if you wanted to put smart bulbs in your ceiling, some of the bulbs like you see don't make sense, but if the recess lights do. But it sounds like by reading all that and this, you know, health monitoring light thing that they're offering,

it sounds like they're just trying to make an ecosystem play as well. The health technology stuff is pretty interesting to me. I think when you pair, you know, like the light bulb, you know, that can see your sleeping patterns and everything with like a smart diffuser, you know, they're starting to build that ecosystem to where everything can tie into each other. And, you know, I don't know how much of it actually is true with technology and health, but there's got to be some kind of benefits out there when you do a lot of this stuff. And I find that's the important part is that it's got to tie into each other, right? All these people making different products, they don't like to work

together as much, but once they start tying in together, they can share data and do some useful things. Right. Like if I'm asleep, turn on my essential oil diffuser, make sure it smells good when I wake up. Yeah. Perfect. Another, another company that announced a bunch of products and it was, was,

was sync as well. That's the, it was previously owned by, I guess it's still GE sync is the name because they have the brand, but savant ended up buying them a couple of years ago. I'm not too sure. It's a Savant company. So it kind of makes its rounds in our trade press. But they have announced a bunch of new smart bulbs, a thermostat, 2K camera, and have committed to integrating with Matter. So that's interesting. I mean, you can see that there's definitely a march towards moving, getting all these. It seems like everybody knows there's a play this year, right? Let's get all these products out. We're

going to put the Matter sticker on it. It's going to sell because everybody's excited about Matter, it seems. And hopefully we'll get some good products out of this. Matter's the new blockchain. Oh my gosh. Well, thanks for the transition. Uh, we're going to skip down to this one. Uh, so yeah, speaking of blockchain and this is the most absurd thing, uh, we're going to move to TV tech now, but, uh, LG, Samsung, and I guess net gear also, they all announced integration with for NFTs to let I don't know, it lets gullible average consumers exchange real money for bits and bytes. I just don't I'm not a fan of this NFT thing, but I get what they're trying to do. They're trying to sell

digital artwork. And one of the ways you can do that, I guess, is to sell it on this NFT blockchain thing where the transaction can be verified and whatever. So if you want a painting to appear on your Samsung or LG TV or Netgear picture frame uh and you want to be the owner of that digital artwork well you have three options now it looks like i just wow i don't know what this this is this grift grift market is not for me i i've talked to many people about this especially over in the in our in our chat the hub and uh i'm not i'm not fan. I'm not a fan of the blockchain. What I think is great about this invention is that I can wait and I can watch somebody hack my NFTs and take them away from me and just watch them disappear on the screen, you know? And doing my NFT research, I ran across a

site where you can get a copy of all the NFTs you want, right? So I'm just not getting this NFT thing. I don't see it as something for me, but I can see what they're trying to do if you can display it on your TV and nobody else can, maybe. Or you can be proved to be the owner. Like artwork in general is kind of tricky in and of itself. Like if you are the owner of a piece of art, a signed piece of art, it can be duplicated. I mean, there's people that paint really well that can mimic artwork and repaint paintings and sell them and say they're real. And the art community has a real tough time determining what is a forgery or not. And NFT is

kind of a way around that for digital. I mean, digital is easy. Just copy paste and you've copied the artwork. Um, but for, for what NFT is trying to do, they're trying to basically say this is unique and here's a, a stamp saying it's unique. And that stamp basically goes out everywhere and you can with math verify that it is unique and that's okay i guess um maybe it's good for somebody it doesn't seem to be very good for me but that's that was um that was kind of i guess shocking to me for tv tech this year i was not expecting nft tvs but here we are here we are um what i was expecting was oled tvs or something but it looks like we are getting QD, QD OLED now? What is this?

What is this, Gavin? QD OLED. QD stands for quantum dot. And, you know, I was paying close attention to this space because I'm in the market for a TV this year. I was given permission to get one this year. So, yeah, but I was also given a budget. So that kind of restricts a lot.

Let's just stop talking about this now. Yeah. Yeah. So the QD is probably not something I'm going to be getting, but quantum dot dot organic light emitting diodes is what it stands for. It's just a newer technology where, you know, you can get I can't I'll give you a high level view of this, but basically they're using like blue, black backlight, um, and then using like quantum dots to change the color of that, to present it to the user. And it's smaller dots, better images. They need less layers in the TV. So in essence, they can make thinner TVs, which is always a good thing too. Right. Um, and it uses, there's virtually no energy loss

because of how it's done. So you can get brighter pictures. The technology just sounds good. It also sounds really expensive. We don't know the price yet. We will find out this year. Sony was the first to announce, I think, but others are following behind. Yeah, it looks like Sony is going to have a 55 and 65,

just a 55 and 65-inch TV. Samsung announced that they're going have a a 65 inch tv and i guess alienware so alienware is uh for gamers i suppose is gonna have a curve 34 inch um tv as well so that's gonna be a thousand bucks at least just for the name alienware holy cow yeah so yeah no pricing on any of this like he said but you know um what that that saying that that jason was so good the rising tide raises all ships um what's good about that with that rising tide is actually drowns out everything in the bottom of the of the of the ocean there and uh that's the stuff you and i can afford yeah

we need the stuff that just gets washed out with the tide that's what we're looking to buy it's crazy now you could buy a 4k tv for you know three four hundred bucks yeah it's definitely gotten way cheaper for everybody which is good yeah and and those 4k tvs that are out now even yeah just kind of scrolling through target and whatnot through the holidays even i the higher end-ish 4K TVs that are out there, the picture is not that bad now. Like it's certainly not caught up to something like an OLED from Sony. I mean, you can definitely go to like to the experience centers like in Best Buy.

I think, I forget what they're called. It starts with an M. Magnolia stores and see the difference between, and some people can't, some people can't i get it um but to me there's a visual difference between an oled tv and you know the sharp insignia tv sitting around the corner from it so but for some people and even even in some applications like i'm i would love to have a big TV in my garage right over there on that wall. Um, probably not going to get it, but if I did, I wouldn't buy a 65 or 75 inch OLED TV. I'd buy some kind of like large 4k led TV to put up on the wall there. And it would probably, like you said, probably get three or 400 bucks and I wouldn't have to worry too much about it.

Um, it would probably be just fine enough. Uh, but if you're looking for that cinematic experience, uh, and the best pictures, Sony LG TVs are, and even the Samsung, I think Samsung still doing the quantum dot thing up until now, but still, uh, beautiful looking, beautiful looking pictures on those. So it's, it's nice to see. And like you said, the, the price has definitely come down. So, uh moving, staying in the house, but kind of moving around a little bit and kind of staying with kind of larger appliances and Best Buy. Samsung also announced a dedicated smart home dashboard. It's called the Samsung Home Hub. So I guess I got to do that, right? It's been a long time since we rang a bell for a hub.

Not many hubs these days. No, no. I guess this is the Samsung Galaxy Home that we've always wanted. Like, what happened to that thing? The little Bixby thing with the cauldron pot thing that looked weird? Like, they never released it. I'm so sad. It's like three years ago they announced the thing.

Never came out. Never came out. But this, this home hub is actually going to kind of bridge it's, it's more based around the software and smart things, but what they're aiming to do with this is integrate their smart home appliances with. So it's, it's not so much, um, I guess it is a home automation play. It looks like it'll connect with everything that smart things could possibly connect to, but it also looks like what they're trying to do is bridge in appliances with this because Samsung has a large appliance business alongside, you know, Samsung TVs. It's, it's a very large company and I'm sure the smart refrigerator team didn't want to

be left behind, you know, the QD OLED TV and Matter News. They wanted to be part of that conversation this year. And the thing about this smart home dashboard, it looks really good. Like it looks like something Apple would have made, actually. You know, it's got a little docking station. You can pick it up, walk around with it. You know, the interface is nice and clean. So it's interesting to see where they're going to go with this. But it's got Bixby, I think, built in. That's their voice assistant of choice.

You know, how that will compare against, like, the A-Lady or Google or, you know, like, even Siri. We'll see how that will compare against like the a lady or google or you know like even siri we'll see how that plays out and i don't see anything if you can actually mount it on the wall but if you could i'm sure that would make a lot of people happy yeah i i don't know how countertop is a premium in a lot of homes and these smart hub devices like the Echoes and even the HomePods take up a decent amount of space on the counter. I'd love to see something that you could mount up on a wall, especially, like you said, Gavin, something that has a clean interface like this and looks as good as it does. This would be a welcome addition into people's home. And, you know, this is designed. They announced also that this HCA, what is it

called? Home Connectivity Alliance. It's, they're going to be pushing that as part of this. So it's kind of like another standard, so to speak, but it's going to integrate with the home appliances rather than, you know, the matter type devices are all going to be light bulbs and thermostats initially. I don't think there's, I know there's not a matter, you know, profile or standard set up for energy integration or, you know, like energy, um, monitoring and that kind of thing. So that would be a smart play for them to kind of like build that alongside matter. Maybe matter will catch up because it's not anything that matter couldn't do one day. Um, and they'll just be able to flip a switch and make their products matter compatible. Who knows? Uh, but it, it seems like a, a pretty good play here. And, uh, speaking of appliances,

uh, Moen has introduced a hands-free smart kitchen faucet, which is if you've ever wanted to use a public bathroom in your kitchen, this, this is a, this is this relive, you can relive that experience in your kitchen. Interesting, I guess. It's, it's voice control though. You can tell it to turn on the hot water, turn on the cold water. And of course there's like the standard, like wave your hand in front of it type thing, motion control thing that turns on and off the water. So, but there's no,

what there is not, there doesn't exist to be on this one is, is the handle that you would traditionally reach up and turn. You can order the handle. You can order one with the handle though too i believe they said um you have an option for seven hundred dollars it doesn't come with a handle i feel like it should you know well yeah there is there i think they already had a model that existed with the handle um but it it and that's that they've had that on the market for a while, but the new one here, uh, sans handle is, uh, is what they were, they were pushing at the, uh, or pushing out over CES. And I don't know, I guess it's an idea, uh, but I don't know. I'd hate to yell at my, you know, yell into the air to turn on hot water to wash some dishes. You know, it's seems

kind of wild. It seems like a handle would be a good idea. Yeah, this just feels like one of those products that are trying to find a solution or find a problem to fix that we don't really have. You know, it's not the first time. The last time they also had one, I think from last year or two years ago, where it's all voice controlled. It had a handle. They're just adding the hands-free control now um and i personally just like my old that's one of the things i don't really care to make smart is my tap i'm happy with how it

works you know i just walk up and i know where to put the handle and how hot it's gonna be right right it's tactile control we love Right. Right. It's tactile control. We love tactile control. Could you imagine if your water stopped working because you didn't do the firmware update? Or, yeah. Or, I mean, kind of the same thing. Like, how do you turn, if there's no power to the house? I'm sure they have a workaround for it, but like, how do you turn your water on? And I don't see anything with matter. So if it doesn't have matter support, it's already garbage. Yeah.

We'll throw it away. Yeah. It's already outdated. I'm not paying $700 for that. Yeah. Matter or GTFO, as they say. All right. Let's move on here and move on to something that is going to have HomeKit support.

Slade unveiled a smart lock that's going to have HomeKit. And the big, big news was home keys. So you can put your key right into your home. You walk up to your house, tap your phone onto the keypad that's on the front door. And just like you use Apple Pay at the store, your door unlocks. Kind of cool. Kind of a cool idea. Is this like the first is this the first and only information about HomeKit that we saw at CES this

year? I think I didn't see much about HomeKit this year. Yeah. I'm pretty sure that's because it's one of those things that doesn't really matter too much. We're all talking about Matter. It's already outdated. Yeah.

Yeah. Well, I mean, HomeKit runs in Matterices run in HomeKit. It's kind of like the same thing at this point. And there are products that announced HomeKit support three years ago that still haven't come out with it today. So. Ring, ring.

Oh man. Yeah. That's yeah. I mean, HomeKit's just like, HomeKit's an application like layer. So it's kind of bad branding on Apple's part to push stuff out that's HomeKit compatible. That's why I think they're probably going to start moving away from that moniker and saying that, you know, it has MatterSupport. But through HomeKit is how they are doing the wallet integration. So you just basically walk up, double-click your phone or watch or whatever, and tap it right on the door, and it will unlock your door. It's just kind of cool.

And that's a good point there is like with the new products, if they want to do wallet integration, do they have to be HomeKit and Matter compatible? Or is HomeKit going to pull in the Matter devices? You know, how all that's going to work is what I want to see. Yeah, it's going to get confusing, I think, because the HomeKit feature of HomeKeys is HomeKit exclusive, but the Slate's Lock may have that feature, but also be Matter compatible. So yeah, that's going to be kind of, they're going to have two stickers, I think. There's going to be so many stickers on these things. There's going to be so many labels. Like it does this, this, this, and this. And that's going to be the confusing part. But I think overall, this is a cool idea. Apple wants to bring this to cars too. So you just bring your phone in the car

and eventually your ID too. Eventually you don't have to have anything but your phone to walk around. And I think that's what Apple wants. Um, they're, they're going after your wallet in any way they can. And well, literally, yeah, they're, they're going after your wallet. There's a, there's a lot of places they still can't use Apple pay. So I'm, I'm hoping that this really takes off so I can stop carrying my wallet around, but I'm kind of pessimistic about it. I, I rarely come non-Apple Pay place these days. Like it's, at least in Florida here, pretty ubiquitous. I mean, I'm surprised when I go to some places and I'm like, can I tap?

And they're like, yeah, here you go. I mean, it's kind of wild. Speaking of security, we have Arlo interesting a DIY home security system. They're going to try and go up against the big guys ring and simply safe. Uh, that's, that's a pretty interesting play. Uh, it actually, I mean, it doesn't look terrible. It's like a little keypad thing you set on the desk somewhere and some sensors. I don't know. Uh, TJ, what do you think about this one? I haven't seen pricing for it, but somebody must be offering a really good deal for all these tech companies to do alarm monitoring.

I think Ring is what, something like $5 a month. And it's crazy because I offer alarm.com services and my cost is like way above $5 still. So it's pretty crazy that they're able to offer this. I think it's a good thing in the grand scheme of things because alarms have been pretty stagnant for a while. So any, uh, competition, uh, pro alarms, especially like we have ancient technology on the pro side and I'm like, I have a two gig panel and that is like one of the more advanced ish looking systems. And it looks like it looks like a decade old now.

And I could I just I'm at the point it doesn't integrate with anything. I'm ready just to it has Z wave in it. So I have some Z wave locks, but I can pull that out, put ring in or something like this in a heartbeat and really not miss it. You know, if it's doing professional monitoring for less than what I'm paying now, kind of a cool idea. Gavin, these Arlos, one of the products they released is a multi-sensor that can perform eight separate functions, including detecting motion, water leaks, smoke alarms,

and of course, door contact, like opening and closing the door. That seems kind of useful. I mean, it's like an all-in-one sensor. I'm sure it costs more than a regular sensor, but they just loaded this thing down with sensors for this system. It's kind of cool. That is kind of cool, but my only thought is, first of all, you're going to have to have a bunch of these sensors around for a true security system, right? You're going to need a bunch of these. And then they're all wireless sensors, right? You're going to be replacing batteries constantly on these things, you know, and that's not something I want to get into when it comes to my alarm system really um i want i i like it to be hardwired um just

because you don't want battery to die and all of a sudden that window didn't trigger for whatever reason i will defend i will defend wireless alarm contacts for for two reasons the batteries last a couple of years and it's kind of like a better than a smoke detector, you know? But the second, the second, the biggest feature about wireless contacts that I do like is that they're monitored. So when the battery is low, it tells you like, and with the hardware contact, you, it has, it's very sensitive to things like lightning and it may get knocked off or something. You may not even know it's not working and you go and open your window and like, Hey, the alarm didn't chirp at me, you know? So I do like the fact that with a wireless sensor if everything's all good in

the system, at least the system has some kind of like monitoring ability to get in there and say, are you working? And it can say yes or no. I mean that's at a, I think that's probably, I don't know about these specifically, but I know at least on the DSC and 2GIG systems, there is some two-way communication between those devices.

I say 2GIG. Now I'm thinking about it. I'm pretty sure when you open the door, it's the only time the thing will communicate. It just sends out a signal, and that's it. Yeah, I think thinking about it. I'm pretty sure like when you open the door is the only time the thing will communicate. It like just sends out a signal and that's it. So yeah, it's correct. These DIY alarm systems always amuse me, though, because it seems like they should last a little bit longer than like the professional alarm systems, right?

A lot of like the 2GIG and the Qolsys and stuff, they run skinned Android. And it seems like, you know, every device that run skinned android um and it seems like you know every device that runs skin android after like a year or two gets progressively slower and like worse off these ones don't have an interface the arlo security system doesn't even have an interface on it it just has buttons so you would think you know realistically as long as they keep support up for it should last a little bit longer yeah for the user yeah i i do like that you can you can take this one sensor one skew and and buy it and put it as like a water sensor if you need it water water's a pretty big thing that a lot of people including myself don't think about but

when you have a water leak in the house it does damage pretty quickly like more damage than you want and so having that ability to just toss that into an existing security system, and you don't have to buy like a separate system that integrates with your system or think about buying a different sensor. You just buy the same thing. I think that's a smart move. Moving on, Unify, it's just kind of maybe after CS. I want to say this was like Friday or Saturday I saw this video. But Unify, this is kind of maybe after CES. I want to say this was like Friday or Saturday I saw this video. But Unify announced the G4 Doorbell Pro, and they put this YouTube video up.

I don't know if they announced it. It seems to be kind of in their early access stage, but they put a video up, and there's a video on, like a public video on YouTube. So we're all going to watch that and pull our information from that. It's a 5-megapixel night vision camera. It has a secondary megapixel night vision camera, has a secondary eight megapixel package camera that looks down at the, you know, at people delivering packages. And you can see if your Amazon boxes are there. It's got a programmable display. I thought it's kind of

cute how they showed that off. They put a little animated GIF of a dog on there smiling or something. And it's got a little light, just like the, uh, the current G4 doorbell, uh, on it. Um, 1080p video, 30 frames a second, dual band wifi. And it also has a gigabit ethernet connectivity, uh, via like a USB, a POE USB adapter that you can put onto it. All in all, I, I, I really think, you know, integrated with the, the, the, the unified system, this is a pretty good product and, um, not like a huge upgrade from the, the, the G4 doorbell, but I don't know that that camera package really has me eyeballing this thing. Cause my doorbell sees straight out and the packages do get below delivered below the

viewfinder. So having that extra camera might be pretty good. Gavin, what do you think? I really liked the features. I'm a unify fan now you guys now you are we got you you know i'm warning people if you hang out in the the hub you will uh spend money because these guys have some cool tools and they'll introduce you to some stuff and i just recently switched over unify and i really like their products they're good looking products they integrate really nicely like they're very easy to set up and they have a whole solution of products. And this one, when I was looking at it, I liked the features that they were introducing in this. The fingerprint scanner was a really cool feature to build into a doorbell, right? I can see myself, well, I'm not

going to get one, but I can see this being popular. Wait. Yeah, it does have a finger. I've missed that. Yeah, it has a fingerprint scanner on it. So you can. Does this one have the fingerprint? I didn't see a fingerprint scanner.

I thought they. Yeah. Yes, it was in the video. You'll see the fingerprint scanner. Weird. That's funny. It doesn't even mention it in the product description. Well, you know, with Unify,

it also could be there for a while before they fully activate it somehow. That's true. Well, I've been liking my G4 doorbell. I've got a UniFi G4 doorbell, and it's been working fine. I think I would upgrade to this simply for the fact that it does have

a package camera as well. Yeah. I have been reading on the Reddit forums, though, a lot of people have been having issues with their g4 doorbells so i don't know if that's a widespread thing but that definitely seems to be a common issue of people's doorbells dying already don't say that i just put my name don't worry i just sold about two or three just people as well so yeah yeah i mean that's that's how unify goes though.

Like it's, it's, it's just barely expensive to complain about it, but then you're like, well, I didn't pay like $1,500 for this doorbell. So I, you know, and I'm coming from like the pro side where our doorbells do cost that much for something that looks like it should be installed in an apartment complex in East Berlin. Like they're horrible looking, but like this looks pretty good. The Ring stuff has come out over the past couple of years. It's really competitively priced. This kind of integrates at a higher level, I think, than the Ring stuff because it's all local video management and you don't have to, there's like no subscription costs.

If you have the UniFi, I guess you have a hard drive machine. So you have the dream machine or the cloud key gen two, or maybe even their NVR that they have out now with a hard drive in it. Um, you could use this as like a security camera system. So that it kind of requires that it's, I guess I'm trying to get to the point where saying like whatever this costs, it's going to be that plus you're going to need this other device

to record and get the remote access and all that stuff. But once you do that, you're good to go. Yeah, it's at least $200 for the CloudKey Gen 2, I think. So I mean, like for the example, this doorbell that just came out, the G4 Doorbellbell pro it's only

early access so you have to have a ubiquity account and you have to have early access um so you're talking three hundred dollars plus two hundred dollars at least and then a hard drive on top of that so you're in at five six hundred bucks yeah and you and you put that up against something like a just a ring like the basic ring doorbells are like bucks yeah they're way way below a hundred bucks now. Yeah. Yeah. It's crazy. It's crazy. Basically, if you're already in the unified ecosystem, this is just an add on, you know, that's makes it worthwhile. But if you got to start fresh, you're going to be spending a lot of money. Yep. Gavin. I know. Technology's great.

It's even better when you get to buy it with somebody else's wallet we were cheering you on from the sidelines for sure thanks all right well we we can't it can't be cs without talking about the most absurd uh product on on that that we we saw and i think last it was either last year or the year before we talked about this motorized dog door that was what like three thousand dollars and um you guys were joking with me uh we were talking earlier and you guys were joking and i kind of made that joke and you're like oh they just upped the ante this year and they they did they made a full-sized human door with a fully integrated power

this is the uh masonite which is a door company uh M-Power, or M-Poor, smart door. It has integrated ring doorbell. It's fully integrated power. It connects directly to your home power supply. It has battery backup, a smartphone app that helps control integrated lights that are in the door jam, it seems, or the door frame. And it has a door position sensor as well. It's got an LED welcome light, a ring video doorbell directly mounted into the front door a yale home smart lock uh and door

state sensor which i already talked about and built into all this uh fiberglass door with a bunch of different style options um so now that we've got you hooked on Unify, are you going to grab one of these? Do I have to buy some other components for this all to work? I don't know, right? Like, it looks good. It actually looks, I could see some stuff. I'm going to let TJ go first with this one, though, because he was pointing out earlier all the bad things. Yeah, TJ, our resident locksmith uh friend here so so i i i think it's a great idea as an idea right like it totally makes sense that you would want a door

that has all these pieces built in but i can only imagine the service call in 10 years when you have to tell somebody that their door is outdated and they have to replace it right or like they don't make like anything for the door anymore so it's like oh well now you have to mount a new video camera on top of this old video camera it's kind of like what we do with like intercoms now right oh there's a there's a product that came out not too long ago that mounted an amazon it was a ci product and it had an amplifier everything i forget which company it was doing this, but they had like the Amazon, the Amazon echo would get mounted in the ceiling and powered, uh, as, uh, through low voltage wiring. And that it, the same low voltage wiring ran back to the amplifier and the amplifier powered the speakers. So essentially you were taking the little Amazon echo and, you

know, using that and yelling up at the ceiling and having it play out through better speakers. Essentially, it's a way to put in a better sounding system than the little small Echo speaker. But over time, the Amazon Echo dropped the speaker out. So now what do you do? You have this system. It doesn't the latest amazon echo for that you can pick up for like 40 you just forget about that thing and go back to using the 40 20 echo like i i don't know like that that's always my problem with these type of things it's it's always a good idea but the longevity of it i always question so and i think this is only dealer access only so it's not like a homeowner is going to be able to go out and buy it.

And thinking of bigger picture, though, I kind of like the tech behind this. You know, having power run to your door. I hope for one day, you know, for a DIY person, we can get something where power is in our door. Power is our smart lock. So I never have to replace or worry about batteries again. You know, that would be really nice. There's a lot of smart ideas here. That's kind of what they're saying this has this has like some kind of patented ul approved technology to bring power into the door to me i it can't be like high voltage mains line that runs into the door it's

got to be some kind of low voltage power supply. We were talking about this before, but battery, but yeah, with, with a battery backup, right. It's just that can run off to the side and it has a panel. It's kind of like a security panel, just up in a closet somewhere. Nobody pays attention to it in the commercial environment. They'll either do 12 or 24 volt AC. So it's, you know, you don't have to have a license to install it depending on where you are, or you might have to have a low-voltage license. But they're relatively easy to install, and they're easy to retrofit as well as long as you have access to get the wires to the door frame. They make a boring kit for doors and everything like that. So it's already possible on the commercial side.

It's just a matter of bringing it to the residential side and making it happen. Yeah. My favorite part of this are are the lights actually in the door i guess it's a door frame that contains the lights that's i was a really really cool feature even if i didn't have a smart door with the embedded ring video doorbell thing in it um which just looks kind of weird being there rather than on it's the wall next to the door i don't know um it i having the light that kind of like shined down over the path, there's one that was like a toe kick light.

So you could see, you know, down by your feet. And there's actually a little light kind of at the keyhole to shine some light at the keyhole. If you need to unlock your door with a key rather than using the phone or the keypad there. So overall, like for door technology, we don't talk about door technology very much. It hasn't changed in quite a while. Um, I think it's a good, like Gavin was saying, it's a, it's a good progression. There's a lot of, there's some good ideas here. Um, but I, I don't, what I don't like is seeing like the embedded ring doorbell.

Like you're going to have to change that door core out one day because rings not going to make a doorbell that size anymore. They're going to change that door core out one day because ring's not going to make a doorbell that size anymore. They're going to change their form factors. That'd be it. And it is not easy to change a door and a frame out. I'll tell you that. No, no,

no, not at all. Or it's, or cheap. All right. Well, that's going to wrap up our conversations on CES. If all the links and we'll be in the show notes tonight,

that all the links of all the products and everything that we talked about, we have in the show notes tonight, that's over at home tech.fm slash three 71. And while you're there, don't forget to, to check out. Sometimes we have a live stream. I don't know how,

when that's going to happen. We may be a couple more weeks on that, but we'll see what happens. We'll see what happens as we get more comfortable working through the show here and see if we can integrate an audience in a little bit, a little bit in the future. With that pick of the week, almost as absurd as the Empower smart door. Guys found a smart two by by four i think this is like one of the craziest things i think i've ever seen it's just like i if i saw this hanging in somebody's house

i would judge them so hard right why do you have a two by four hanging on your wall oh it lights up that's cool i guess all right so what we're talking about is the MUI, M-U-I. It's a wooden touch panel display that serves as a smart home control hub. It's got, like TJ alluded to, some inner lights inside of it, so it kind of can make a custom display looking thing.

It's got speakers. I think it integrates with Amazon, the Amazon Alexa system as well. But it is a piece of wood that sits on your wall and, and, and lights up. I don't, I don't have a, I I'm looking at this picture and I'm like, that's not my house. I have a five-year-old. That's not my house. Is it matter compatible? That's, that's what I want to know. Oh yeah. Right. Cause if it doesn't, we're out of here, but of here but yeah it's interesting you can it's got some applications you can put on

it i have something very similar to this this is the the lometric display um that i set on my desk here yes primarily just got the time on it but we use it for work um to like track sales and it's kind of fun to watch and we play with it every year and kind of change the icons and stuff on it and lometric actually came out with a sky that we a couple of us bought at work because we like the little display but the sky is like this huge version of it and it's been like three years and they have never shipped this like 600 thing that i bought so one of these days i'll get that but this has uh events It's got integration with the calendar. It's got weather.

It's got a night mode where you can kind of turn off the screen. And it also has like kind of a touch interface for controlling a couple of lights, scenes and that kind of thing. A good idea. Just it's a two by four. So I just I don't know if that's going to be too appealing. Gavin, are you going to get one of these as well? It doesn't fit my decor like when i see all the pictures it just looks like somebody bolted a two by four into the wall

like seriously when it's off it just looks like there was the when i was looking at the demo video the guy was making um a coffee and his two by four was sitting on the counter next to him and it just it looks so out of place how it was like that just doesn't look right so i don't think i would probably be getting one of these you know i'll wait for the competition if they come out with a two by six because we need more screen real estate yeah they have two colors two different colors materials they have a natural wood and a dark wood so maybe maybe more stain colors they could come out with and get better match decor more decor uh interesting idea it looks neat it looks clean like if i look at my limetric and i look at this

like okay like if that was on there that would really look kind of neat but it's it does look like a two by four i don't know i'm just thankful that you can have multiple in the same house. Well, you can build a house out of these. Did you know that? Oh, that's cool. Expensive house. What are they, like $600 each? I don't know.

I didn't see any pricing. I was kind of scaring the website. I think they did a Kickstarter for it. I don't think they're actually selling them. All right. Well, there you go. Smart 2x4 is their thing. And it looks like you can go view this at two locations in the entire world.

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yeah yeah we just we just like dove into this like here's a bunch of stories let's go no it did well it did well uh we're one of one we're gonna do this again next week oh man one and done i didn't know it was multiple weeks oh man that was so much work well yeah it was great having you guys uh hopefully we can uh all get together definitely we'll be getting together next week. And this has been great. I'm so excited about where the show is going to head now and what all three of us are going to be able to put together and do with our collective minds

and just kind of move this show forward from where it is. Like it's in a good spot now. I think we can all kind of work together and make it a little bit better. No, I'm looking forward to it. I have a lot of ideas. Just, you know, listeners, if you have questions or anything, feel free to shoot them. You know, we'll, we'll, we'll have you on the show. We'll talk about it.

We'll see what your, your current challenges are, or we'll answer your question live on the show. Just send us a feedback at hometech.fm. Yep. And well, with that guys, I want to wish everybody have a happy weekend. Any, any big plans for the weekend? TJ?

I've actually, I'm starting a project on Friday. We're going to be redoing somebody's whole house audio and installing a couple of TVs and stuff. So that's why I'll be spending my weekend doing.

Oh man. Oh, it's rookie mistake. You don't install on Friday. Don't install on Friday. It's the rule number one. I wouldn't if they weren't moving here from a different state and they were trying to get everything done before

the painters got done. Usually I don't do anything on Fridays though. So what about you, Gavin? Anything big going on? A few movies I want to watch get caught up on, but nothing really, you know, up here in Canada, we're kind of in like a lockdown not locked lockdown but you know you don't really want to go anywhere restaurants are closed you know so everybody out there just be safe yeah yeah definitely definitely I've got I've got my I think I've been talking about this for like a couple weeks now but I've got the Christmas lights to still take down they're still in the front of the house I keep keep punting that on the weekends and it's it's been beautiful like it's it's like 66 degrees uh out out there right now which is what below 20 uh for you gavin uh

that that's that's a not 20 below but below 20 yes yeah okay and and like it's it's been beautiful the last couple days and i have been either like cooped up in a car or cooped up inside. And I was like, I want to get outside. It's so nice, but the week has not cooperated with me. So hopefully I can get out there and, and yank those,

uh, those lights off the house. Cause they're, they're going to be up there for next year. If I don't get to him soon, just leave them on. Yeah. Well,

thanks. Thanks everybody. Thanks everybody for listening, uh, and have a great weekend.