HomeTech.fm - Episode 387 - Hey Brand Name

Episode Date: May 16, 2022

This week on HomeTech: Sonos has three big announcements and two of them aren't just new colors, Google IO happens and now you're being watched, and Matter starts to matter even less if that is possible. All those stories and a massive, 22-outlet pick of the week...

This is the Home Tech Podcast for Friday the 13th. Friday the 13th in May here in Sarasota, Florida. I'm Seth Johnson. From Powell, Ohio, I'm TJ Huddleston. And from Pickering, Ontario, I'm Gavin Campbell. And welcome to the Home Tech Podcast, a podcast about all aspects of home technology, home automation. This week, we've got a couple of new things that have come up.

Google and Sonos, pretty much that's it. ISE is going on right now. I haven't really heard anything out of that show. There's been a couple of press releases that aren't really applicable with what we're talking about here. But that kind of makes sense because it's more of a commercial show than anything. But we've got some friends of the show that are over there doing fun things it looks like teaching having a good time and walking the show floor i assume i'm not sure but uh it looks like trade shows are back um uh this week we had we had uh probably the funniest moment i think we've had in a home

tech talk in a while and that was when uh j, Jimmy actually came in with a Coke starlight in front of two people that only want to drink, uh, I was at Coke zero. So that, that was, that was a shocking moment when that happened. There was a, there was a lot of arguments going on there, but the previous week, which I think a few people missed, cause I think it was just Gavin and I sitting around talking, uh, Gavin was showing me some, uh me some dashboards he did. And they're really cool, man. What is this thing called and how are you doing it?

So for my smart home remote control, I know people love their dashboards, but I use it on my phone mainly instead of an app or anything. It's just a web page that loads, but it works really well. And the one I use is called sharp tools. Um, it's compatible with Hubitat. They released integration with home assistant and it's basically just presenting, you know, your smart home in a nice way that you can control it or view stats or whatever like that. The key thing about it though, it's, it's super customizable. Like you can create themes, you can do custom css create custom tiles do javascript in it it's so powerful so this week i was kind of working on mine and i was adding a few things so i added uh custom uh my cameras i added all my cameras from blue iris but i also it was a

little more custom than that i take it to the next level. I added controlling the cameras and everything too. So now through all my dashboards, I could see my cameras, I can control them. I can, you know, like I have a button where if I press it, it will take me into the actual Blue Iris app at that point where we can view the timelines and everything. You know, I might take it to the next level and integrate the timeline into there as well. I also replicated my Harmony remotes onto their own dashboards. So from my phone, I just launch up the remote in the app. And from there, I can control my TVs. I don't use this often, but I've needed it in the past when the battery in my remote has died. Because some people in the house don't like to put it back on the stand.

What? in my remote has died because some people in the house don't like to put it back on the stand right so you know if your harmony remote dies it's it's their their logic tech app um i'm sorry it sucks and i don't like using it so i actually just replicated the remote into a dashboard and it took some custom javascript and interaction and stuff like that and yeah so i've been working um with josh over there who the owner and he's been giving me a lot of tips i had to learn javascript i had to learn a number of things i hate html stuff but i had to pick it up and he helped out a lot and i got something working really nicely in it so if you're looking for you know something that a little bit better than your current dashboards um take a look at sharp tools it's not free but it's worth the the the subscription it's really customizable and it'll give you everything you want like i highly recommend it i was looking through on the on the website here it looks like it works with smart things

habitat and home assistant but nothing yes something else so yeah that's only 30 a year that is not bad at all oh yeah that's not bad no and like i said it's fully customizable so the images you see on there of like their dashboards you can customize it so much especially when it comes down to super tiles and custom tiles those are some powerful things because i have custom tile that does my um 360 integration. So it brings up a life 360 map and shows where everybody is on the map. And it's built right into the dashboard. It works really nice. Like there's so much power that they all have their own automation system. I probably use probably maybe 40% of the whole thing, but it's so powerful. It's so worth it. Yeah. Now, so there's a subscription involved.

So I assume this is like hosted not in your house. It sounds like it's hosted outside. It's a cloud. It's a cloud-based product. Yes. But I mean, it's for remote access to your home. When you're at home. Okay, I see.

Yeah. So you'll be controlling your home from outside, viewing from outside. So it is a cloud-based thing. You will need the cloud. It's a dashboard, right? If you really wanted to be local, Hubitat's dashboards, their built-in ones are all local if you really wanted to. But I use the cloud for this specific thing, and I have no problems with that. Yeah, I was just looking through to see what devices they could talk to and support, I guess, with the interface.

And then you just kind of point them at like, oh, I'm using smart things. And it's, you know, my RGB lights, Phil Hue lights or something are over here and my door locks and stuff are over here. It's kind of like that. Like basically you just like in Hubitat, for example, it has an app that you install on there and then you select all the devices you want to export to SmartSharpTools. And then you go there and then you can pick them and lay them out on the dashboard as you want, right? And you could choose the capability.

You could choose what it presents. You know, there's so like, trust me, there's so many things it does. You can add a weather tile, a time tile, you know, like it's very powerful. It's so many things it does you can add a weather tile a time tile you know like it's very powerful it's so worth it yeah it looks like you can get pretty custom with it too i mean really custom with it if you want it because they they have a number of like examples on their web website and they're all a little bit different it definitely looks like uh it looks like that windows tile interface that they were trying to do for Windows 8, I think. Yes.

Where they tried to tile things. It looks like that. But that's the look they have. But keep in mind, it's so customizable. So my theme is pretty much just like a black and white theme I use with touches of color for certain things. Right? Where theirs kind of has that Windows 8 type look that you were talking about but it's yeah yours looks completely different from this yeah yeah i spent almost looks reminds me

of like a a newspaper or comic book like you you have yours is like it's very stark it's very just black and white with like heavy lines and it just i was looking at him like oh that's fun like it just it reminds me of a newspaper or something i can just check what's going on and then i have little dashes of color with the video cameras and stuff. They add a little dash of color in there and stands out. So you could do things like you could have tiles change color based on the temperature that they're showing or the battery percentage. It's, like I said, a very powerful product. I wonder one of these days they'll expand out into other systems. Because it's kind of a nice little thing to have added on to any system, really.

And especially the way things are going now where, well, maybe they're not going that way. We'll talk about it later in the show. But it especially sounds like where things are going. We might need these dashboards to bring different systems together. So it'd be nice if they were able to expand out in compatibilities with other systems outside of the three that you support today. Maybe somebody can reach out and do the Crestron or Control 4 integration with them.

I mean, it's just a matter of working with the API they have. I'm pretty sure. I've done plenty of things that do exactly this. I actually have my own code that would like fall right into this with control four but i i have to go look at the api and see what they what they offer so anyway looks really cool though i i do like it yeah i just gotta give a shout out to josh he was very helpful this week and i actually learned a lot about javascript and so many things that i really don't like to learn about. The best part is as soon as you forget about it, yeah, you'll have to learn it all over again.

Like me, that's me every week. The day I forget JavaScript, something's going to break and I'll have to learn it fast again. I've been living in material UI and JavaScript for the last two weeks and I'm done with it. I'm done with life. And I'll be done with it for another month or so and i'll have to go right back into it and i have to remember everything i just open a document over here that has their api open up the preview screen over here inspector screen yeah it's it's a mess i f5 f5 f5 yeah geez yeah yeah well some of the development stuff

actually refreshes like every time you hit save, it'll refresh the page. So that's nice. But yeah, it's not as nice as not doing it because that's much more fun. All right, guys. What do you say we jump into some home tech headlines? Let's do it. This week, Sonos. Let's start off with those guys.

Sonos had three big product announcements. A new Ray-Ban home theater bar. The new, basically the long-rumored Sonos voice assistant that we've been talking about for a while. And some color options for the popular and portable Sonos Roam. So really just like maybe two and a half big product announcements. So let's talk about the one that everybody really wants to talk about, those new Roam colors. Starting today, the portable line of speakers is available in olive,

wave, and sunset color variations. And I actually had to look it up. I mean, olive I get. That's probably green. Wave is blue. And sunset is like an orange. Right? That's what that is.

That sounds correct yeah i mean they come in colors yay it's fun it's fun and yeah i like it so some of the things they were saying is that like it like it blends in with like the the shrubbery and stuff and i was like that sounds like an awful idea for something i'm gonna bring with me in nature you know i wanted to stand out that way i don't lose it, right? Right. Right. Yeah.

No, it's like the bright orange one is probably the one I would, like if I was going to get one, I would get that. So I was like, where's that speaker? Oh, yeah. It's right there. Yeah. Yeah. I would go that way. Next up, the rumored, the Raybar, I guess, is what they're calling this. It's called the Ray Home Theater Speaker, but I'm calling it a Raybar, I guess is what they're calling this. Uh, it's called the Ray home theater

speaker, but I'm calling it a Raybar cause that's more fun. Uh, it's a smaller soundbar. We talked about a few shows back, uh, where the verge landed some kind of scoop on kind of what they were calling the fury. And I called furry because every time I read fury, whatever, uh, anyway, the smaller, it's a smaller soundbar, connects with optical cable, has no Domi Atmos for $349 Canadian or for some reason on my computer, it won't let me go to the Sonos store in the US where I could have actually paid $279 Freedom dollars on it,

which would have been great. $279 seems great, $349. Gavin, I don't think you're getting one of these no i was actually looking forward to this and i was expecting to get one to increase uh to make someone sound on one of my tvs a bit better but when i saw that price i just think it's just a little overpriced and i might as well at that point step up to the next level um i i was hoping it would be like under 300 you know canadian dollars but then at that point you guys are getting it for 200 so then i'd feel even more upset that it's not cheaper somebody well we have a bunch of canadians in our home tech talk today and somebody called it

canadian pesos and i was like that's funny that's funny i don't think it's the first time i've heard it i think it's i think you've said it before actually so if you all you guys start calling Canadian pesos um that'd be funny yeah anyway uh uh TJ what do you think about this thing two things about the Sonos Ray that so the Verge leaked I think it was like two or three weeks ago they leaked what this was going to be right and one of the things they said it was going to be 249 i believe um and at that price i feel like it would have been a little bit better 279 though you're approaching you know beam territory as gavin said um and the other disappointing thing is that there is no uh nobody's talking about it at least but there's no planned announcement for using these as rears uh or dolby atmos

surrounds um and i was really hoping for that i don't see why they would do it just because they've never done a soundbar as rears um but that was one of the things they leaked as well and i'm interested to see if we get that later on right now it's not appealing to me just because i don't need a smaller soundbar but if you you could use them as surrounds, I think a lot of people would be buying them. Yeah, I I I feel like that's something that could come with an update. And the reason I think there's like some credibility to that was that it had a it has those like, well, I don't know. We have to go in like I haven't seen a teardown of this or like the thing. I've only seen like the marketing images from Sonos and I haven't really looked at it much because every time I go, it says it's $349 Canadian dollars and I can't buy the thing.

So like the Verge mock-ups had those horns, right? And it looks like if you turn the speaker sideways, one of those horns would face up. And Sonos, the play bars, like way back in the play sideways one of those horns would face up and sonos the the play bars like way back in the play bars it could identify like what direction it was facing because you could either mount it on the wall or set it on a table and it would adjust its speaker and sound field based on how you had it installed so i think i think they still have that little whatever gyroscope sensor in there and it makes sense that that would be able to detect that it was mounted instead of horizontally it would be mount or yeah vertically on a wall and that that

up firing horn speaker could then get your atmos speaker sound up so that's really the only like thought process in my mind is like maybe there is some truth to that maybe i don't know i don't know well it's supposedly there is some magic if you you mount the, like the Sonos arc on the wall, compared to just laying it down on the cabinet or whatever, it like knows that it's mounted with the official mount. So that wouldn't surprise me any either. It's like kind of the, kind of this, yeah, same idea. Hmm.

Well, let's see. Did I actually land on the right, the right website today? Nope. 349. Lousy. I was really hoping that they would show. Oh yeah, yeah's see. Did I actually land on the right website today? Nope, 349. Lousy. I was really hoping that they would show. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. So they have the little breakdown exploder image on their website

and has those like angled horn things on the side. So it's a possibility. Possibly, yeah. We're going to leave it right next to the Leviton light switches that we, you know, that's a mystery. This is going to be another mystery here that we've dug up on the Home Tech headlines. One of these days we'll know if it can do this or not because I think it'll just like, hey, you want to do this?

We have this new thing out. I think they would tie it to more than just a software update. There'd probably be a hardware. Yeah yeah it's got to be like there there may be even a bit of hardware update with it right like they may have something else there they've got up their sleeves but well until then you can always use sono sequencer to uh use them as surrounds i'm sure what's that so so sono sequencer is an ios app that you can actuallyign Sonos speakers to basically do whatever you want. Oh, really? So you can take like a like that's how they do a lot of the Symphonis speakers with subwoofers is they'll add the speaker terminals to the back of it.

And then you attach a subwoofer to it and that'll work by itself. But then if you have the Sonos Sequencer app, you can actually dedicate that Symphonis speaker as a subwoofer. And then it'll work as a Son a subwoofer and then it'll it'll work as a sono subwoofer then that sounds interesting i'll have to check that out look that up yeah yeah it's it's pretty sweet i haven't got a like a full chance to play with it just because i i don't have a use for it yet um but i i set it up shortly with my with my ikea speakers and it works pretty good it says sono sequin when cr and and yeah it's it's there it's number 191 in the music and yeah i think it costs like five dollars two dollars two dang well

i could be this could be uh it could be five dollars canadian yeah i don't know now mine's saying two dollars too i think you're good yeah interesting uh but yeah check it out at some point it works on your apple watch you can switch things over. Definitely not an official thing. So if you're looking for official support, that is not there. But there you go. Oh, interesting. So you can create unsupported stereo pairs using a Sonos One and a Play One. So you can mismatch your devices.

Oh, that's brilliant, man. How is this not a pick of the week, TJ? Where are you? I thought everybody knew about this. No. It's been around for years no i never heard of it uh well there you go i'll have to uh i have to play with this that's this one so yeah you could you could go grab the ikea junk uh i say junk it's got something to it i have a couple of them they're not that bad the wireless the wireless sucks in it i'll give you that mine always cuts out oh man yeah go grab a couple of those and then yeah uh make make your own subwoofer thing yeah that's cool

i dig it i dig it yeah and it's not it's not hard to do honestly um it probably takes like a half hour to an hour if you're like good with electronics and there's plenty of guides out there to do it so interesting and you can even some people even take the the speakers and turn them into just like an amplifier so it'll power another set of speakers right right no so you can hook it up to even better ones i was i was thinking yeah i was thinking i i would i was going to add a sub in here i was bringing the sub i have out in in the in the in the living room and bring it out to the garage for when we're at your moves out here and get maybe get this little um the the ray bar i guess for the garage but now you know i'm thinking i go to ikea and uh

there you go and and set it up this way this looks really fun thanks man all right all right well and in front of has perhaps the biggest announcement this week was the introduction of the long rumored sonos voice assistant it's really not a voice assistant because it doesn't do too much outside operating your Sonos speakers, which is, you know, kind of fine by me. That's really all I wanted to do. Let's see. Breaking Bad and Far Cry 6. Gianarzo Esposito.

I'm going to butcher his name there. He's the first to lend his voice to to using the uh the sonos to being this one's voice and i kind of listen to the tj you posted a video we'll put it in our show notes as well uh it's kind of a long video um a lot of navel gazing going on you gotta talk about all the intricate details that nobody cares about exactly a lot of navel gazing over like this voice thing that they did and yeah but his voice sounds good i will i would he's got like a deeper voice which on a sono system is actually probably going to sound really good um you wouldn't be able to put him on one of those like smaller amazon devices and get the same you know quality out of it so they picked they picked

a good voice actor is all i'm saying um the wake is going to be, hey, so no. So, guys, we're going to have to ban that from our show to no more. No more saying no more saying anything that says, hey, so no. They get sued for that. Yeah. Google says you can't. We have. Hey, trademarked. I'm sure it'll come up in the lawsuit between those two. So it's going to be rolled out and available on every Sonos system that has voice control capabilities already. So the ones that have the microphone and you can use with Amazon and Google Assistant.

It's going to be compatible, of course, with Sonos Radio, but it's Apple Music, Amazon Music, Deezer, and Pandora at launch. And they're confirming that more services and other things will be added at a later date. But right now, the command, what they're calling Sonos Voice Command, will be available in the US starting June 1st. And then France is the next region to gain support. And Canada, guess what these guys can do? These guys are so lucky. They can access this feature

by setting their location to the U.S. I just love that that was in the article. It was like, yeah, you could just switch it. It's okay. It was a Canadian article, okay? It was a Canadian article. That's brilliant. You know, the sad part about that is as a Canadian, we're used

to doing that. Like you didn't need to put that in the article. We would have done that already. All my Alexa, sorry, Amazon devices are all pointing to the US so I can get those features before Canada. So we're used to it. We're used to it. It's too funny. I was going to say, so out of all of this, I don't have any Sonos devices with microphones on them. Gavin, I think I'm pretty sure you do, right? Yeah. I have a number of them. And, you know, I use the Amazon, you know, lady on mine. And the one thing I really like about the Sonos devices, their microphones are really good. So on the beam, I was blown away that I can say, hey lady, while a TV show is blasting and she hears me and she'll

lower the volume and answer and it works really well. Like I prefer using it over the Amazon devices for that. Yeah. And they did play this as a privacy play right so it's only kind of i don't know if it's on device specifically i didn't really get that deep into it but obviously they're not going to be data mining you for everything that you do and say so unfortunately this isn't going to buy you that new lg uh 55 inch tv that you were trying to get last week which i i'm hoping is working well i'm hoping lg had at least sent you tracking numbers by now because did it work no we should we should give an update at the uh the end of the show let's see what happens all right still no tv i guess all right no yeah uh according according to this article too it actually doesn't send audio to the

cloud nor is it stored or listened to by the company so i'm always skeptical when people say that but that is what sonos is claiming at this moment well it is believable because it does so very little if you think about it that they can actually have it all local like it's not like it has to really think much when you know it's just doing things locally i i think it must send some like if you're requesting it to play a specific song, which I think is one of the commands you can do, right? It must send the data that you're requesting up to the cloud to get that song going, right? Like it has to send something, you know? It's like a search query. It's going to have to send something out that way. Yeah, exactly. So

it's probably just doing some like speech to text, you know, translation first and then sending the text up so they don't hear your actual audio. But, you know translation first and then sending the text up so they don't hear your actual audio but you know i'm also wondering is this a sign of things to come like today's hey sonos tomorrow are we getting hey samsung hey roku hey lg 55 inch tv you know absolutely like am i gonna start yelling all these brand names out because they're all gonna come out with their own little thing like that brand name yeah hey brand name you know it's joe title there there you go you know so that that's what i'm a little nervous about you know it's gonna be like having 10 kids in the house you get their names all mixed up you know well there was an article

i was article or something that stacy on iot brought up this past week and it was basically like you know shouldn't like voice assistants or something be built into each device and I was like that just sounds awful I don't want like I don't know my smart plug to have a voice assistant built into it yeah I I don't know I don't know why at this point other than like these little small point control devices like if you don't have any other way or don't want any other way to control your Sonos system, I mean, you don't have to use this.

You can turn this feature off, which is great. Well, and this is like, and this is totally like a legit move. Like I'm not like angry about this. I don't think they're wasting resources on it or anything. Like it's,

I'm fine with it because we're not even using the microphones in our sonos products at this moment because they're you just can't use like the full google assistant approach with it so that's my question are you i just get angry with it are you going to use this would you use this i could i honestly because i like the grouping option supposedly you can tell it's a group different speakers um and a couple other control options i could see me enabling it just for that because right now I'm walking up, you know, I don't want to pull up my phone to group speakers,

and I walk up to the speaker and I hold the play and pause button and that groups them. So if I don't have to do that anymore, I can just say, hey, Sonos, do this. I might be down. But that's probably all I'm going to use it for. I think you mentioned that before on the show once,

and that's the first time i even knew you could do yeah that's that's an amazing feature but mine are just like on the floor like under couches or like i'd have to dig around to get like it's more effort to get to them than it is to yeah all mine's on the wall or like on on counters ah yeah i guess that's that makes it easier we used to have one like in the bathroom but it migrated out here to the garage, so it's sitting right over there. But yeah, interesting. I guess I'll eventually have a Sonos thing with a speaker in it,

maybe in here in the garage. We'll see. We'll see what happens. Yeah. I would say until this announcement, there was really no point. Now it might be a point. I don't think it's a huge selling point still. I wouldn't rush out to get one with a microphone still but like now it actually has a use right it's a good it's a good bullet point like it's a good point on the on the

product and the one thing i was really uh upset about this announcement i was really hoping for headphones oh my gosh i know tj i know you were looking forward to it, too. I was hoping. I have a legit use or a legit want for these headphones, and I was really hoping for them. I've wanted headphones for the past two years now. I think they're just great. Hey, Sonos, we want headphones. They know. They know.

They just won't do it. Hey, brand, send me some headphones all right guys uh we'll have to keep an eye on this and uh you know see what happens uh i'm either gonna buy one of these beam things or go out to ikea and get a bunch of things to take apart because that actually sounds like the more fun project to be to be honest that it's probably more expensive and less reliable in the long run but yeah oh yeah absolutely but it's fun yeah exactly it's fun and the app is only two dollars that's how you can justify you're like well i didn't spend that much to try it you know just i just tore apart like hundreds of dollars of equipment yeah yeah maybe find a used one

somewhere yeah i mean it's a garage too like i'm not trying to change the world out here. My, my, my projector screen is, uh, one, two, three, four, five, six, six poster, like foam back poster boards from the dollar store. So it costs me all of $6 to make my, my, my 130 inch screen over here. It's, it's huge. So yeah, there we go. Let's move on here. Google also had a big event this week that actually happened right before the Sonos announcement, but quite a few less things happened in it. They did announce a bunch of new products. And if you're in the Google and especially in the Pixel ecosystem, I think there's a lot of exciting things there. A lot of really nice looking products. The phones look great. They have a new Google Watch, Pixel Watch. They've got Pixel phones now. They've got Pixel AirPods,

which aren't AirPods. They call them Pixel Buds, I guess. Whatever. And then, yeah, a new Pixel tablet. So a watch, earpiece things, phones, and the tablets. It looks like another brand I know of. I just can't place it, but they've got all those check boxes knocked off now. All of it looked really nice. I think the tablets were like next year. You're not going to see them for a while. They showed off some glasses, like AR glasses that were prototyped. It looked really nice. They were kind of like showing how you could be looking at somebody speaking a different language and that would be translated translated in near real time and displayed on the glasses on the front of the glasses in front of your eyes as you're looking through that you can you know it looks like you're looking at the person

but you're actually reading what they're saying which which I thought was kind of neat. I think you can already kind of do that on the phones. So it's not a stretch of imagination to think that technology is too far off. It's just going to have to have some glasses with cameras and microphones on them, right? So that'll have to happen. But the big things I think we're concerned with was the Google Assistant improvements. And they went over a couple of things that we pulled out of the keynote there. They have introduced kind of using their AI learning and machine learning and all that good stuff. They introduced some more natural communication with the device. So all the uhs and everything that I've been saying would be kind of ignored out of command when you're giving it. That's always my

problem when I'm talking to these things. I'm like, I say something and I flub it up and I'm like, oh, that's not what I meant to say. You know, there's no time for my brain to kind of catch up. And it's like, OK, I need to say this exact phrase for this to work without saying, uh, or thinking about it too long. And this thing's going to give up on me. This evidently will let you let you do that it'll let you say uh or like if you can't think of something and you kind of stop talking it actually has this that google voice they use it goes mm-hmm like it's waiting on you to and it sounds so condescending mm-hmm uh yeah i just i'm having a problem here. Google assistant person, lady.

Like it's just I would I would throw the thing away if it did that to me. It's like patience, patience. Anyway, that was that was a cool feature. And it'd be nice if it machines, you know, Google's kind of seems to be at the forefront of this and the natural language processing. And of course they don't do it in one language that we're speaking. Now they go all out and try and do it in every language that's out there. So good on them. That's, that's a big improvement. Um, one of the biggest things they have is this look and talk thing. And instead of yelling out, hey, Google, and asking a question or doing something, you're supposedly, and this is rolling out, I think, on the Nest Hub, Max first. You're just going to be able to look over at this thing and then just talk to it.

And Gavin, I see you shaking your head. This sounds interesting. I mean, it sounds interesting, but what it means is is is that google's watching you google is not only just listening to you all the time now they're also watching you all the time now you know at some point they're gonna be able to smell you all the time now it's good it's getting ridiculous um the whole thing about this google announcements is they have a lot of features and things that at first i saw them i'm like this is amazing this is really powerful stuff this is great and then i'm like all the information they're gathering from this is ridiculous you know like there's gonna be absolutely

no privacy anymore like but i i think that's what you get when you're like oh i'm getting into the google ecosystem right that's that's that's it that's you expect it to happen i i'm in google and but what yeah but the difference is with the google ar glasses you know like when somebody's looking at you and it's giving you them all your information about you you're not voluntarily like getting into that you're getting sucked in whether you like it or not because they're looking at you and it's gathering all the information and stuff so there's no like qr code on my forehead that it will see and say say don't scan this guy he's you know he's he's been blocked you know like i i don't know you have to wear special contact lenses yeah that's a wise move i'm sorry that's

not google that wise would do that yeah there should be some kind of blocker thing that we could stick on our forehead and it will instantly block these things from scanning us and be like, I don't consent to sharing my information type of mark. Apply directly to the forehead. But they had some amazing things. The multiple languages thing was amazing to watch. You know, they're unifying the world and making it like communication like no longer a barrier and i love to see that even their presentation their stream had a sign language version which you know

i was watching for a while before i realized there wasn't a sign language version right so that was great to see like it's amazing what they do but a lot of this stuff that I found they were playing catch up to with a lot of their stuff. They introduced the wallet, you know, they introduced the watch, you know, like stuff like that. It's a lot of catch up, but it's good to see them, you know, bringing this stuff out anyway. Are you going to touch on Matter at all? Yeah, we'll get to that next one. One more quick thing that they did demo and they were talking about is that you can register things called quick phrases and that actually will let you just kind of like be in the room and just kind of shout like hey what time is it you don't have to say the wake hey google the wake word or anything you say what time is it and since you're

looking that direction your head's pointing that direction or it's kind of like hearing that it's gonna respond like or you could say hey turn off turn off the lights i keep saying direction or it's kind of like hearing that it's gonna respond like or you could say hey turn off turn off the lights i keep saying hey like it's gonna do anything but like turn off the lights and it'll turn off the lights which is which is nice like they're they're lowering the um the awkwardness and increasing the efficiency that it takes to talk with these like the mental efficiency that it that that it takes to talk with these, like the mental efficiency that it takes to talk to these things. Because like I said, when I'm talking to one of these things, I'm thinking about like, okay, I got to do the wake word.

Then I got to think about what I'm going to say. I'm going to say this exactly like it's going to be said because the stupid thing is not going to understand what I said in the first place. And then I'll have to basically like hope that I got it right, but I'll flub it up halfway through. So I really think that they're working on the right things. We'll see if it ever pans out. Usually it does, especially in this era,

but we'll have to see if it ever pans out and works the way they say it's going to work. It does look nice. It looks promising, I guess, is what I would say on that. So yeah, matter. Does it it matter it doesn't matter well we say that all the time so yeah and there was a there was an interview uh with the verge um sat down with uh the senior director of google smart home michelle turner and they, they, this was ahead of Google IO. So they were discussing how the company plans to implement matter. And when it arrives, um, later, later

this year, uh, what, what all that will mean for Google's nest products and the Google home app. So if you are using Google, um, we've got two articles. There's also like a companion article that went with it with, with that went with the Samsung stuff. We'll put both of these in the show notes. So if you use Samsung SmartThings, you may want to read that one to see what matter is going to mean for you. And then read the Google one if you're in the Google ecosystem, right? But one of the big things that kind of pulled from this is the question that was asked. So when the Nest thermostats are upgraded, let's see, when the Nest thermostat is upgraded to Matter, you'll be able to control it from an Apple HomeKit controller,

such as a HomePod or Apple's Home app with Matter. And they said, yes, that's the multi-admin feature. If I want to have both HomeKit and Google Home running in the same house, my HomeKit controller, my HomePod or Apple TV should be able to control my thermostat. Okay, great. However, a MatterController can't control another MatterController. So a Nest Hub can't control a HomePod MIDI. There's a real difference there between the controller devices and the end devices and the controller devices act differently tj is did you just flipping me off is that what you're doing man no i'm kidding yeah yeah the buzzer let's put the yeah the multi-admin feature is nice you know i like the ability of being able to control my stuff from whatever and setting up multiple hubs, because that's the issue right now is that you can only pair up one device per hub.

But I was really hoping you could control another hub with it as well. And I don't see why that would not be possible. But it's probably the manufacturers not letting that happen. They're like, you know, once you're in our ecosystem, we want you to be in our ecosystem. Right. And this is falling in line with what I have thought Matter was going to be for a long time. They've really focused on getting the onboarding process. What they want to work really well is the sales process.

They want you to go to the store and buy something that says, check, this works with home automation. And you go home, you install it, and no matter what platform or system you're on, it'll work with that. It's guaranteed to work with that. And it's guaranteed to be supposedly guaranteed to be easy to set up and turn and onboard that device. And that's great that that's a step. And, and they've worked on like the topology, right? The topology of the network. So sensors and things that aren't like

really like a camera that needs a lot of bandwidth or something like that, that'll get thrown over to the Zigbee network or thread network. What do you want to call it? It'll get thrown over to that network that use low bandwidth mesh networking. Great. That'll be that. And then all the other stuff that needs things like cameras, video doorbells, that kind of thing. That'll that'll still hang out on Wi-Fi and it'll all be on the same kind of network. So that interoperability there on that network exists. And that's a good thing. All this is has been a play to basically make the stuff work better out of the box and get onboarded into your system. It's not going to make these devices work any better. Like they're not going to be like if some random Chinese brands

get Matter certified and great, it works with Google. Great. Does it work with Apple? Yes. Is it going to break? Yeah, it's going to break just as fast as it would have if it didn't have this, right? So that's going to be the same. And then the bigger problem is, it's like you are still going to So that's going to be the same. And then the bigger problem is, it's like you are still going to have to pick a king of the castle.

I've been saying that for a while. People shot at me on Twitter and said, no, that's not right. This multi-admin thing, it means you can have Amazon and Apple in this. No, it's not. They want to be the king of the castle and they want to have you in their ecosystem.

And they're not going to let you use an Amazon Echo device to trigger HomeKit devices or devices that are only registered to the HomeKit ecosystem and vice versa. They're just not going to do it. They want you to pick one. There's choice there. If you want to bail on the HomeKit ecosystem and move over to Amazon, you can do that. Reset all your devices and you're good to go. Uh, smart things also had some similar answer to, uh, kind of the same question. Um, you say here it goes, interview with the bird. You say the smart things is integrating matter as a controller. Does that mean that Samsung's connected devices like like washing machines robot vacuums tvs uh will not be exposed uh to other matter controllers such as the amazon alexa and homekit uh sorry apple homekit and and the person they interviewed

i didn't write their name down sorry but it'll be in the article indeed this year we will focus our efforts on bringing matter as a controller to multiple surfaces across the Samsung portfolio. This means most 2022 Samsung smart TVs, monitors, family hug refrigerators, and smart thing hubs will not act as a Matter bridge. So non-Matter devices will not be bridged or exposed to other Matter controllers. That said, Matter-enabled SmartThing hubs will continue to support existing devices and protocols, so ZigBee Z-Wave, to provide SmartThings customers with flexible connectivity options. So SmartThings is almost even a step further back

where they're saying, like, all this stuff that you already have in your house that's already hooked up to SmartThings and is a SmartThings-only house, that's already hooked up to smart things and is smart things only hub. That's going to live there. And if you want to get stuff that's matter compatible, that's great. Don't hook it up to, don't expect to hook it up to your Amazon Alexa ecosystem and access your

smart things connected stuff over here on their smart things hub. You got to go with the smart things. And guys, I'm even if this is built into the matter protocol where you could do this eventually down the road and have multiple voice assistants yell out in your house, it's not going to happen. It's not not Apple, Amazon and Google have not invested billions of dollars into these voice control platforms to let you do this. They just they don't they want to be getting all of those commands and all that voice data in themselves. So I see I see everybody shaking their head. They're all agreeing with me. Gavin shaking his head. No, no, this isn't right. Yeah. You know what? These articles, the more and more they say about matter, the more and more I have.

I have more questions, but it also doesn't sound the greatest. Like it's sounding like they're still going to be creating. So one of the things I picked up from Google, and this is just personal opinion, right? But it sounds like they're going to be like, great, we'll make it easy for you to make a device that pairs with Google and we'll handle the bridging of that device to Matter for you, right? So you just have to say works with Google and it will be now a Matter device. That's what I'm seeing. But then now you're stuck with Google because if you have all those devices and that's kind of what Samsung's doing too is where Samsung devices,

they're not going to expose it to Matter, but it's still like you have to go through. If you have a Samsung Hub, it will import all the other Matter devices and all the Samsung devices and Samsung Hub becomes becomes your central voice you have to have it you can't get out of it and i can see more and more companies doing this but again we still have until fall to get all the details i just keep getting more and more doubtful that this is going to solve anything and it's just gonna be even more confusion when it comes out yeah i think they've they've set this up to be like the end all fix all for all things iot and it's not gonna be i mean it's gonna be nice to have this type of topology and network available for consumer devices because TJ and I were talking like

this is the hub and spoke model that custom integration has enjoyed for a long time right like this is this is what we this is what we've been doing we've been using like low low bandwidth sensors with ZigBee and Z-Wave over here. We've had our cameras over here and everything kind of talks back to a hub, an expensive hub and goes and, you know, gets aggregated and put into an app. Yay team. But now that's coming to consumer devices. And what's nice is it's built into things like your refrigerator or, you know, a HomePod or Amazon Echo. That's great. I'm glad that that ecosystem will be there. It'll certainly advance home automation and getting smart things inside of, not brands, but like smarter devices

inside of, in people's home. Then from there, it's like, once we're on the network, we have all these sensors, we're getting all this data from you. Thank you very much. What do we do with that? Google had some, in that same article, had some ambitious plans about like making thoughtful ideas, have like thoughtful things, uh, automations happen inside the home. And once, once they can really get in there and watch you, they'll be able to tell you what you should be doing in your house, I guess. Uh, but, and, and for the most part, that's what I, I kind of want, like, I kind of want to be able to walk into my garage and have the most part that's what I I kind of want like I kind of want to be able to walk into my garage and have the lights kick on like reliably uh or I want to have like something

in here that's not a motion detector so I'm sitting at my desk the lights don't turn off right but if no one's in here I do want the lights to turn off like something there's it's it's harder to do than you really think that it's going to be to do. And, you know, we have we have a motion sensor in our laundry room and it's kind of like a long haul, like it's a galley type laundry room and you can walk in the light. Boom, it's on. But it doesn't reach all the way to the other end. So if you are on the other end working in the sink, you know, the mop sink or whatever, and it can't see you, the lights turn off and then you kind of have to walk your way back halfway down the laundry room and yeah wave your hands around tj this this is a there's a podcast tj and i know i know people may be watching on youtube stream can see you doing that but

that was well they're just gonna have to watch yeah well it's gonna take that out make a gif out of it is what i'm gonna do so uh one of the um one of the let's see if i can get to this one of the uh is it uh nila patel over at the verge uh posted something on on here and i'm trying to get back to the comment uh that he made on here but he's like something along the lines of this is this is why you know these home automation companies haven't or these these big brands haven't gotten it like my uh i think he said something along the lines of like my third party you know access thing whether it's like homebridge or something like that does all of this stuff and more and they're just finally that that's what

people want that's what people want to have happen And instead of being able to like tie it all together, we're just kind of like still taking a step back and kind of doing it, doing it correctly. Ty saying use TJ as the podcast thumbnail. Heck yeah, that'd be great. There you go. The other thing that, you know, this is not going to do, it's not going to get rid of all the apps too, I find.

Like, because yes, you'll be able to control your thermostat from another device but i think it's just going to be the basics of that thermostat you get the temperature you can put it up you can put it down and that's pretty much it but when you're looking at like an echo b thermostat there's so many other settings on that heat cool you know the even um you know like schedules and stuff like that one but yes yeah exactly there's so many other things and you're still going to need the app to do it we're not going to get rid of the app we're still going to have an app for all of our products you know so i'm getting more and more doubtful all right you heard it here first gavin's still doubtful on Matter.

I don't know how you guys still have doubt left. Mine was gone a long time ago. It's all in on Wise and all in on Matter. Yeah, at this point, if Wise creates a new smart home standard, I would be all aboard. I'd be like, all right, let's do it at this point. You guys do everything else. You know, we're in that timeline. I'm pretty sure that's what's going to

happen is wise will just come out and be like you know this is the smart home standard and everybody's like yeah let's do it yeah we'll just transition to that they're gonna call it they're gonna call it something cool though like whiz yeah if you look at wise in their whiz network they are probably gonna come out and say hey we got 50 million people on the whiz network you know this is a new standard and we have products that cover every base of the 50 million people on the wiz network you know this is a new standard and we have products that cover every base of the smart home running on the wiz network so i mean it i wouldn't i would be surprised if it happens you get a t-shirt that says wise we got it we got to create like a fake logo for the wiz network and see if we can pass it off oh yeah yeah yeah uh what is it wise or not yet wise yeah controlled by whiz

something like that like the little the little circular like rectated let's start off fake reddit posts you know how do i add this to my whiz networking and see if people and then we'll start replying to ourselves how to do it that people will be like what's this whiz network you guys aren't part of that yet my bad oh that's this is the oh sorry whoops oh man oh man well we'll have to to see what happens i mean everything is pointing to a release date later this year we speculatedulated before this year, like, why are they delaying it? They're delaying it for the holiday shopping season. They want everybody to get that new smart home stuff over the holidays

and experience no frustration whatsoever setting them up after they open them up as gifts over the holidays. So we'll have to see. I'll be curious when this stuff does eventually land to see, you know, how, how the ecosystems play out and kind of additionally how people hack around this and, and make, you know, Amazon ecosystems work with home pods. That'd be great. That'd be great. We'll have to see. So anyway, all the topics and discussions tonight can be found over on the show notes at hometech.fm slash 387 you can find all the links basically everything i'll put a couple more about

those of the videos and everything that that uh we we have in here especially that long when we're so nice if you want to what is that like two minutes long i it was it was long enough for me to go what are they talking about i just want see. And I just skipped it like halfway. I think it's like six or seven minutes. Anyway, if you need to fall asleep to two minutes and five seconds, just so everybody knows. Yeah, well, if you're in the tick tock generation, that is 30 seconds. 30 seconds. Oh, come on, man. I am. I am all in the TikTok. All right, guys. Pick of the week this week. I put this in there a couple weeks ago, and my title is,

How is this not the pick of the year? And honestly, I don't know how it's not the pick of the year. But you guys have been just, just not, you know, agreeing with me on this product. And so I found a brand called super dandy, which is a super, super Danny super. Oh, is it super? Oh, it doesn't have an extra. Oh, well this nevermind. This ruins it for me. I thought it was super dandy. Anyway, super, super Danny. Like somebody, like somebody who's really cool. Uncle.

Super Danny Osborne. um anyway super super danny somebody like somebody's really cool uncle oh super danny osborne uh anyway uh so the super danny uh they make a 22 ac outlet uh surge projector with the six and a half foot uh flat heavy duty extension cord uh and this thing is absolutely amazing if you've ever run out of outlets, it is a 22 AC outlet. It looks exactly like you think just an absurd amount of AC outlets, uh, on this thing. And, and I, I, I, I, I really like the, like the images that they, they show like with just an absurd amount of like wall warts and things plugged into this thing on a desk, but there's still like half of the outlets are still available to plug things in. Um, if this was installed anywhere in real life, um, it would just be just the most amazing. There we go. Thank you so much for whoever put the cabin, I guess, TJ, who put that up there. Um, it comes in black and white $29 us. It's probably what, like canadian um yeah this this is this

is brilliant if you if you ever need multiple outlets uh to burn your and it comes in white yeah so you can match your decor no problem it just blends right in guys 22 outlets oh my gosh 22 spacious outlets you can plug in all of the things. And, you know, they say in their description they will not expose your devices to the Matter Network. So, again, isolation right there. That's nice. They actually have their own voice assistant. It's got mostly great reviews, but there's a couple of people that say it kind of worked 30 minutes after failing. There's no warranty.

Yeah, whatever. But, you know, hey, it's $20. For $30. It can catch your house on fire. Exactly. It's amazing. Amazing. Well, there we go.

Pick of the week. Glad you guys finally let me put it up. And the side plugs on it also rotate, too. You don't understand how good of a feature that is until you actually have And the side plugs on it also rotate, too. You don't understand how good of a feature that is until you actually have that on a power bar. When they spin out. This would actually look good, but just give me maybe an 8-plug version. I don't need 22.

It's intimidating. Not yet. Oh, well, I mean, you'd be happy to know that Super Danny. Oh, no. Pal Save has the 18-outlet version, and then there's another one called Nuesta that has a 12-outlet version. So if you need any one of those, I mean, any pretty much, I am shocked that there's a 22-outlet version. Honestly, this is kind of hard.

And here's a pro tip. If you got, like, a lot of those wall warts and you can't just fit them in, what I've been doing is buying those short little extension cords, like three inches or so, and you just plug them into that and then you plug your wall wart into that and then you can use all the plugs on your board right yep oh hey look at this super danny actually makes some like uh i went to the super danny store on amazon and they actually make some like little travel sized like outlet things that would probably be more convenient for your desk. It's basically some USB chargers with outlets built onto them, and you can just plug everything into that.

It sits on your desk. It's a little tiny square thing. Yeah. Travel clock. It's got a clock. Yeah, look at that. That's brilliant. That's pretty good.

Oh, look at that. Super Danny's pretty nice. I'm going to have to stay on this Super Dannyy store and check this out this is this is really nice wow wow okay i i thought this was a joke guys but this is this is the real deal so super danny is the pig of the week is it better than that undisclosed device you won't tell us no i can't tell you about that i can't i can't we can't talk about that is it better than that undisclosed device you won't tell us about? No, I can't tell you about that. I can't. We can't talk about that. Is it better than that, though? I mean, yeah.

I guess so. I mean, they have LED lights. Like, figure out. They have everything you could possibly ever need here. They are the wise of Amazon. They are the wise of outlet charger things. That's for sure. There's a power tower, which they could have called a tower of power i guess probably some trademark i mean but who cares at that point like

wow this is this is really cool um check this out if you need power in your life we'll put the link to it i've got the power i mean i might get a couple of these. These look really handy. Yeah, this is really, really nice. Anyway, moving on here. All right. If you have any feedback, questions, comments, pics of the week, or great ideas for a show or outlet, you know, if you've got something that has 20, more than 22 outlets on it, let us know. Let us know. Our email address is feedback at hometech.fm. You can visit the website over at home tech.fm slash feedback and fill out the online form. That wraps up in another week in home technology news, which was kind of sparse, even though we had like a major event like Google IO.

Um, I think Apple's event is coming up soon. I think Amazon usually has one sometime this, like around this time of year, maybe a little bit later, where they kind of dump all sorts of new products on us, like clocks with the Alexa thing built into it and microwaves with Alexa built in. All of a sudden, they just come out of nowhere with all these products. Maybe they just had that, actually.

I think they had their Ring event not too long ago where they announced a bunch of new products. And Amazon Prime Day is around the corner, corner too which i look forward to every year you know it's a time to buy all those useless gadgets that you know like are too expensive now but when they're half off that useless gadget is pretty nice sometimes they're half off sometimes it's just a you know amazon garage sale and i don't't know. It seems like Amazon has quite the selection of useless gadgets all the time that are decently priced. Yeah. I've bought a couple of things off Prime Day.

There was one time where you could click something fast enough. I don't know if they still do it. If you click something, you would get a prize. It was like a box. You would click this box and it was like, oh, it's a prize of the day. And sometimes it's like, oh, no, you didn't get that prize. But I actually got like some headphones once or some earphones. And I was like, well, that's it.

It was either the lottery or this, you know. So the Canadian Amazon site isn't as exciting as the U.S. Amazon site. Do you have the live video? No, you guys have like a QVC or something on your Amazon site. I don't see that on ours, no. Sometimes I just browse yours just to see what's there, but it's a lot more exciting on your side. Yeah, there's a guy talking about some like maybe the algado stream

deck no he's talking about some kind of wait is he talking about the super danny because it looks like he's talking about the super danny on here this looks very very similar it's some kind of tower of power type thing that he's got on here and i clicked the thing and now that it froze up so i'm not sure what it is yeah ours isn ours isn't that exciting. Yeah. Oh, man, this is super exciting. Yeah, this is some kind of like countertop UPS thing that he's plugging stuff into. I don't even see where you're seeing these videos at. I don't have them.

It's in the QVC section of Amazon. Anyway, he's talking about an inflatable paddleboard now he moved on from surge protectors to inflatable paddleboards so that that if that tells you the range and versatility of these amazon qbc actors um you know there you go but anyway uh you guys got any projects coming up this weekend no it's getting warmer out uh i think I opened the pool this weekend, so that's going to keep me busy for the weekend. And I have another number of things, but the dashboards, I'm still working on just updating my dashboards. So that's pretty much it right now. Yeah, I don't have anything exciting going on either.

Just finished moving into the new office, got a couple shelving units installed and uh we have a e-shred event this weekend going on where people can bring their documents and electronics to get recycled it sounds like that's the most i think i'm gonna join gavin in his pool sounds much better that sounds much better yeah yeah well usually when i open it it's green and then you know it takes a week or so for it to get clear. Oh, you got to shock it. Yeah. Don't get in there.

Shock the crop out of it. Yeah. Yeah. You know, I got to pull out all the dead mice and little rodents that fell in over the winter. You know. Maybe I'll wait a couple months. Yeah, you're right. You know, those are the things that you never hear about.

People having to deal with a pool, you know those are the things that you'd ever hear about people having to deal with a pool you know all you ever hear about is the good times but you never hear about the bad times that you have to go through but uh yeah the only problem is i gotta buy a new barbecue so that you know i'm on the hunt for a barbecue right now so it'll be pool but no barbecue so you might want to wait till it gets barbecue and pool. Yeah. Yeah. That makes sense.

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I didn't realize you didn't know what that meant. But GTA, Greater Toronto Era. They kept saying it over and over again. And I was like, are you just making a joke right now oh you don't sorry i really didn't know no i never heard of that before yeah there you go greater toronto area the the things you learn in the home tech talks every every single week are just invaluable to life uh yeah if you're ever yeah yeah thank you thank you i was like yeah. It sounds like a fun game up there in Canada. You guys play that a lot up there. Oh, yeah. There's people constantly jumping in cars and stealing them right there on the roads.

Actually, that did happen. Driving like crazy. Oh, yeah. Bad drivers all over the place. So maybe you are living in the game. It's all a simulation. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, exactly. That's why matter won't matter. That's why we're living in the game it's all a simulation okay yeah exactly yeah exactly that's why that's why matter won't matter it's where he's living in a simulation all right uh we do want to give a big

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What does that even mean and you said it wrong i did say it's like mcguine i butchered it did your wife tell you to say that one no no i found it oh you said he was on google translate earlier i was using my new google glasses yeah just just cut that out seth i don't want to say that here say another one now i'll get stabbed say another one now i'm just gonna say something lame like bye so just cut it just cut it out all together bye bye just use just use gavin's voice and do it twice oh man i knew I would butcher that too but I was like I'm not going to find another word I didn't see that in the notes until it was too late

I was listening to it several times still didn't matter swing and a miss but that's alright you try every week and that's what matters nobody listens to the end anyway everybody stops listening when we get to the patron part. So,

all right. Except Ty, he's been here the whole time. Thank you, Ty, for joining us. Yeah, he's the man.

All right, guys, uh, have a good night and we'll, we'll, we'll see you next week. Make one.