HomeTech.fm - Episode 454 - Starfishing the Keypad

Episode Date: October 6, 2023

On this week's show: Smart plugs in Canada are being recalled or automatically bricked, Amazon is launching satellite Internet, LG says “meh” to ATSC 3.0, Disney starts cracking down on password sharing, and a slew of new products hits the market (do any of them matter?). All this news, a pick of the week, and project updates!

This is the Home Tech Podcast for Friday, October 6th. From Sarasota, Florida, I'm Seth Johnson. From Reynoldsburg, Ohio, I'm TJ Huddleston. And from Pickering, Ontario, I'm Gavin Campbell. And welcome to the Home Tech Podcast, a podcast all about home automation, home technology, and Gavin, by the way, thanks for sitting in that Canada fog down here. Like, been coughing all day. I don't know why. Like, we've got Canada fog everywhere.

I don't know why you guys, all this smoke from Canada just ended up in Florida. I don't even know how. It's not supposed to come this way. Oh, we didn't expect it to get that far. We pushed it down just a little bit. We figured we'd stop in Boston, but we're overachievers up here. How do you have Canadian smoke and I don't? I do not know.

It's the magic of weather but like it's been foggy all day and i was and i was wondering what was going on and somebody told me oh this is the canadian uh forest fires they're just down here now took a while i'm gonna have to say thanks gavin but uh yeah oh we set that down last month so i'm surprised it's kind of weird though it's not even snowbird season so a little early to be down there yeah it's only now reaching. It's kind of weird though. It's not even snowbird season so it's a little early to be down there, isn't it? It's very strange. Yeah, I don't know. It's pushed down the eastern seaboard, I guess.

So that must be it. And we've had a bunch of like northern winds. Oh yeah, I'm looking at the little thing on New York Times right now. And it's got basically, it's under you. It just snuck in under you, TJ. That's why you're not getting it. Oh, good.

I've got it. Georgia's got it. Alabama. And it's being actually pushed up through Arkansas. So maybe you'll get like it'll loop back around and you'll get something we had enough already i don't need any more so yeah and there we go there we go but um lots of stuff going on today we got we got a couple follow-ups this week uh cd attendance i guess the numbers finally came out i don't think we talked about this on the show um but uh i guess there were 15,541 registrations and a verified attendance of 12,848 and i think i think we talked about this together before but we were like man that seems kind of low

like it seemed like it was busier in there um i was definitely busier but um there's an interesting article over on strategy.com that we'll link to in the show notes says this is a 7.6 increase from last year. And there were 340 exhibitors in total, 94 of them being first time exhibitors, which I guess technically I was, but anyway, that's an 80,

88% percentage increase from last year. So decent size show, but definitely not as big as it used to be. So they also had, they also mentioned in here that both the CD expo and they were trying to do a commercial integrator expo, kind of doing those at the same size and like combining the attendance figures, it was supposed to be bigger. So kind of should have been bigger than, than 12,000 or 15,000. If you think about it. Well, that was my first time there. And I have to say, you know,

I was expecting it to be a little more packed um I was surprised at how many people were there but I mean when I walked in there the only packed booth I saw was a black wire booth and the rest of the area I was able to walk freely through the rest of it so you know like it's still good numbers though I guess I saw I saw decent like demos being like the Josh AI booth the Ava remote booth those were packed most of the time. The demos had lines like they normally do. So I didn't expect the numbers to be this low, I guess. I thought they'd be a little bit higher. I was going to guess around 16, but I guess not.

I guess it was down that 12,000 area. Yeah, you can definitely tell when the bad things happen. In 2007, there was 29,000 people. And then in 2008, it dropped down to 25 000 and then 20 000 and then you know 2021 with the virtual event 1400 people so it's uh kind of interesting and a little bit sad to see this graph when you actually look at the attendance numbers but it is kind of weird too because i think my like when I signed up, they give me like a registration number of like 20 or 21,000. So I don't know where they got that from.

Then I guess just total people registered. It's just a made up number. You get it. It's a random number. Yeah. Yeah. That's that's the way I would do it. If I was somebody who gets me like, oh, 40,000 people are this.

Oh, my God. It doesn't go by one. Just random number. All right. One for you. One for me. Two heard this. Oh my God. It doesn't go by one, just random number. All right. One for you, one for me. Two for you, one for me. Two for me. Exactly.

And I guess get a little bit of follow-up from last week. I think we talked about this towards the end of the show when we were kind of looking into Phillips Hue and talking about something they were doing with Matter. I guess they were talking about forcing everybody to create a login. something they were doing with Matter. I guess they were talking about forcing everybody to create a login. And it looks like they've reversed that policy because they were trying to collect usage information from users without optional consent. I guess they want to figure

out how people or what people are doing to use this thing. And they want to get people to opt into that. But I guess you need to know who is opting in. And that was the reason for the account creation. So they're going to try and do it a little bit differently or something in the future here. So I guess I will not need to create that Philips Hue account on my Philips Hue thing that I don't even use. I need to take out because it's just not doing anything.

I hate to tell you, Seth, but the account is still going to be mandatory as far as I can tell. Just the usage is not going to be mandatory. And I can almost guarantee that in six to 12 months, they're going to go ahead and just redo this policy to include collecting usage data. And nobody's even going to care at that point. But I think the big argument was that it was gonna break integrations with other systems i think that's what a lot of people were more upset about right and it's good to see like when people

got upset and they started raising their voice it was good to see them reverse direction because it showed the power like of the consumer in this case you know if a company is going to make a dumb decision the consumers can speak up make enough noise and make them change their mind. So I like when that happens. Okay. I guess I was having a hard time reading the little excerpt they put on this Reddit post, but there's a larger article we'll link to in the show notes here that explains this a little bit more. So yeah, it's kind of weird. It's like the Sonos thing many years ago when you didn't need a Sonos account to set up speakers. And then all of a sudden they started making you sign up for an account. And I used to have so many people be like,

I never had to have an account before. Yeah. And I'm like, I know, but now you do. And now Sonos sends you endless emails. Yeah. That's why.

Cause they want that usage data. Yeah. I ran across a 30% coupon the other day and I'm going to have to use it. I think. I've been trying to find one again, but it's only on S1 products. So a little harder to find now. Interesting. Interesting. All right. Well, let's move on here. We've got a bunch of home tech headlines that have came through across the door and a bunch of new products that came

out this week. So what do you say we dive into those? Let's do it. All right. Some shocking news from Canada. You guys ready? So Health Canada has issued a recall for Emporia's North America smart plugs due to a risk of electric shock. The plugs lack proper grounding and can expose users to the electricity that's inside of them. The smart plugs were available for purchase individually or in multi-packs. And I guess a total of 2,239 smart plugs were sold there in Canada between July 2022 and August 2023. But no incidents or injuries have been reported. So kind of like a general recall, like if you got one of these things, oh no, this is the one, this is the one that's actually going to be remotely disabled. So yeah, the company is going

to basically remotely kill these things. So you're going to have to recall them anyway. So good luck. I guess if they're not connected to the internet, they won't be remotely disabled, but as soon as they are, they will be remotely disabled. It's kind of wild to think about like a company just being able to do this but i guess you know in case there is some kind of life-threatening thing or you know something that you're going to get sued over it's easier just to kill the stuff off as if it's part of a recall there's recall insurance these companies all buy for this it's probably easier than just having to pay for a death or something like that so gavin uh you got a bunch of these laying around oh i have none of them laying around right because i knew when i first looked at them they were missing some grounding to it so i didn't feel

safe buying one but um you know i can see both sides of the argument though like uh i can see why they would want to break it to to save people from from getting hurt if possible right and i can also see the consumers being bad you know that their device is bricked and it may just be working for them and they're fine with taking the risk i don't know which side i would be on but i could see both sides i just hope that nobody has put this on anything important right that that you know it's going to be bricked like if it was on i guess you know a sump pump or something like that and then they bricked it and now your sump you get flooded or whatever flooding yeah yeah like you know and that's what you have to consider when you start

getting into the smart home and you start putting things on important or critical things it's like if it's cloud connected you know you have to be careful about stuff like that because not just this but an update you know a bad firmware update being pushed by the company could break your switch or whatever so you know like it's i it's to me it's also a dangerous move from emporia because like i said people do some dumb things with these things and who knows what's out there what's being done um what are the options though i don't know it's a hard one is this the same same company that makes the energy monitor that you have tj correct okay all right well and i honestly i feel like this is probably the best solution for something like this right i mean

if it's dangerous to use then like you know go ahead and break it there is the concern that it is on something important you know yeah could be like a breathing machine or something else that, you know, who knows what people have on it. I really hope you don't put your breathing machine on a smart plug. Maybe you want a couple seconds of reality or something. I don't know. But, you know, they're offering a replacement at no cost. So, I mean, that's the best path forward. I mean, as long as a company is going out of their way

to like make it right and get you a different product and it shouldn't cost you anything, then I think that's going to be the best solution. Yeah, and they could have disappeared and done nothing. The only other thing you could do is like automatically mail them a smart plug if you had their address. You know, sometimes when I buy certain products

and you get that little card, say, register with us for, you know, they give you a reason, extended warranty or something. I do it anyways, because I've been in situations where the product actually had a recall and they actually had my information on file. And they told me we're recalling this product. Like, I think it was one of my vacuums had an issue with the cord and they actually called and and said we're recalling your vacuum you get a whole new vacuum right and we just placed an order and they gave us a new vacuum and i was kind of happy that i registered the product at that time otherwise they wouldn't know i had it and i wouldn't know it was being recalled yeah and you do have to make an account when you set up the at least the smart energy monitoring so i mean they could easily just send a notification to all these accounts.

It's only $2,200. See if there's a Philips Hue recall. No one's ever going to know. No. No one's ever going to know. All right. You have to sign up for an account with data usage in order to find out. Yeah, exactly.

That's how they're going to pay for those recalls. All right. Let's move on here. Amazon is set to launch the first two satellites for its home internet service, Project Kuiper, I guess is how you pronounce that, on October 6, 2023. This launch will allow Amazon to test the new service before mass production and eventual launch of the rest of the satellites in 2024. Satellites is going to launch from ULA on an Atlas V rocket, and they plan to launch to launch more than 3000 satellites into low earth orbit. Now this is may sound familiar. We talked about Starlink in the past,

and this is going to be a direct competitor to Starlink and the products they're selling. Um, Amazon hasn't announced any pricing details, but reports are suggesting they're aiming to undersell Starlink and, uh, put the prices at below $100 per month. So some competition is about to heat up in the satellite internet space here, at least in, I guess this is probably going to be a worldwide thing

because once you have satellites floating around everywhere, it's hard not to offer service underneath them. And it's good to see this because I read an article the other day and it looks like Elon Musk owns like pretty much everything up there or half of everything about satellites up there. You know, he's the only player up there right now. Yeah. And competition is going to be good because then it will drive down the price. But it's also making space messy too, right?

Like we're dumping a lot of junk up in there and you know in two or three generations when they start going up there regularly they're gonna be a lot a lot of space debris up there these are luckily these are set to like they will fail when they fail they fail and they just fall back to earth like they're not they're not they're not gonna be up there but the problem is is more of like when they're up there they reflect a lot of light back and they interrupt telescopes and science so that's kind of like the big thing that people don't like them for now and of course you see like all the ufo sightings which are just like starling lines so you see every week i feel like there's a post on the local groups like what is this strange formation going across the sky yep yep be prepared for a lot more of that and

it's funny you bring up a space debris gavin because the fcc actually issued its first ever space to space debris enforcement fine so 150 000 to dish network so this is a very real thing and maybe it's taking being taken a little more seriously because of all these satellites going up there that's got to be more money 150 000 is not even worth it they just approve them yeah right these are billion dollar companies it's got to be significant enough you know like they're like a one employee you know echo star seven like that's that's i think that failed like a long time ago right yeah definitely definitely need some kind of satellite internet though because i know a lot a lot of uh places in america like especially the

mountains and stuff like that you cannot get good internet so you're relying on satellite internet internet though because i know a lot a lot of uh places in america like especially the mountains and stuff like that you cannot get good internet so you're relying on satellite internet and the traditional satellite internet is very awful you're talking super slow speed super high ping and then most of the time like super restricted data as well yeah and so a lot of times people don't even use it until like nighttime because there's different nighttime and daytime like allocations and speeds. And so a lot of people I know in the mountains, like they don't even use it until like after like 8 p.m. or whatever it is. So anything to help get those people connected, I'm all for. I don't know how I feel about Amazon, but it is what it is.

Yeah. It's these big, large players doing this. So what are you going to do? Yeah. So kind of moving on here, LG has decided to spend support for ATSC 3.0 in 2024 television lineup for the United States due to patent licensing challenges. The decision comes after LG had been a vocal advocate for ATSC 3.0 and a leading developer of television products with the latest next gen TV technologies, patent challenges and the unwillingness of certain parties to commit to. I think it's Fran terms are among the factors that may hinder innovation and development

in this particular part of the industry. ATSC 3.0 is kind of the new uh broadcasting standard i guess that enables you to get like 4k ultra hd and nice nice audio i think it even has like like feedback built into it for interactive things like if you you could submit back information through that ats signal somehow atsc symbol it actually had some pretty cool, interesting features of it. So kind of sad to see one of the majors walk away from it. I hope they can get this thing off the ground because it's definitely cool

when you can just turn on an antenna and just over the airwaves, out of thin air, just pull in 4K TV. It's really cool, especially like 4K Ultra. And of course, it's just a bunch of battling companies now that's ruining it for the customer as usual you know like they need to sort this out um yeah we're just gonna suffer from this i mean if lg doesn't put it in their tvs okay that's one thing you can buy a external device probably to pick up the signal if you really had to um but you know the

bigger the bigger issue is they need to sort out all the patents and and you know i i saw they were putting like um encryption on some of the streams and stuff like that too so uh in the end the end user loses out yeah and i guess this this all comes down to actually one company singalera broadcasting is the problem they own hundreds hundreds of, yeah, exactly. What a surprise. What a surprise. These grifters are here. All right.

Well, they own a number of hundreds of stations. Yeah. Lots of stations, pretty much your local station. Yeah. I'm pretty sure they own every local, uh,

newspaper and everything near me. So, and they, they own, I guess a number of critical ATSC patents and when they want to get paid for that too. So I hope they can get that worked out. And especially stuff that is like, uh, has to do with airwaves and that kind of

stuff. It should actually be like Dave's ads has this written up as Rand patents. I can't remember if it's friend or Rand. I don't know. There's there's these patents that you're supposed to be able to like freely exchange or at like a reasonable rate exchange. And when companies don't, you see this like with Apple and Qualcomm and Google and all those kind of things. Like when there's a technology that is like absolutely a hundred percent

needed to be available for a large industry, they have these kinds of laws that are set up where you're supposed to be able to share that technology without, without overcharging and milking the market. but i don't know sinclair probably not knowing how they operate all right well let's move on here uh well gavin do you guys have ats 3o up there or is it is it what do you guys do for broadcast um we point our antennas towards buffalo and the signals bounce off the lake and make it to Toronto. No, seriously.

We get like 30 channels, but they're all like, you know, all our local news is Buffalo news, New York, you know. So that's what we work with. Hilarious. That's fun. Yeah. You'll get this if it ever comes to Buffalo. I was just looking Tableau, which we've talked about a show or two ago uh their newest streamer only supports 1.0 it doesn't even support support 3.0 and i would imagine it's probably

because of these patents as well could very well be um it would be nice to to have nice things but all right well um let's move on here a uh a recent study i thought this was actually pretty cool recent study conducted by parts associate reveals that 20 of Internet households in the U.S. now own a video doorbell. It's a big increase over from just 4% in 2017. The surge of adoption largely attributed to the success of Amazon-owned Ring and other doorbells like it. Despite unfavorable economic conditions, the purchase of smart home devices remains pretty steady, but a large number of devices per household has actually dropped down below seven

compared to eight in 2021. So kind of some good news if you're in the video doorbell business, not so good news if you're in maybe the everything else business, but we, I don't know. We kind of watch these reports from parks cause they,

they like to like keep their ear to the ground on, in the pulse of the industry here and can kind of like tell you where most things are going when it, when it, when it comes to like IOT installs in the home. And I don't know, we'll link to the story over at Z pro, check that out, check out the survey. But it,'t know. We'll link to the story over at ZPro. Check that out.

Check out the survey. But I do know these are everywhere now. Like video doorbells, ring, blink, doesn't matter. They seem to be just about everywhere. Yeah, that's a crazy increase. 16% in just six years. But I feel like, I don't know, know 20 still seems really low to me because it seems like every house i go to has a video doorbell in some capacity but i'm sure there's a

lot of areas that just don't use them in general and i'm mainly in a city and traveling in and around the city so that makes sense that i'm probably seeing a higher number compared to somewhere that's maybe more rural yeah or maybe Or maybe a neighborhood that, I don't know, they, that people don't find them. Like say you live in a gate, a secure gated community, or even like, I'm thinking in here, like in Florida, we have like many condos, but we also have trailer parks. Like you probably don't need a video doorbell at your, on your trailer. I don't know if you can even get one, but you know, maybe you can, but I'm thinking of like the stereotypical Florida trailer park here. The ones that are just like tiny little, like the old school parks,

not the, not the newer looking trailer homes. Yeah. Not many doorbells on those type of buildings. Exactly. I don't know. And they're, they're generally like a lockdown community where there's a security gate point checkpoint gate, like an actual security guard working there before they let anybody in. So for the most part, unless there's a problem with like deliveries or anything like that, I don't think anybody would have something like that. And you may just use

a camera at that point. You wouldn't use a video doorbell. And I don't have an official, you know, like poll or anything like that. But in my neighborhood, like I'm seeing more and more people put these on, like it's growing and not just video doorbells, just cameras in general, especially as crime increases, because it's been on the uptick recently, right? With car thefts,

more and more people are getting cameras installed in their houses. So that industry seems to be doing well, but they're also going with the cheap cameras, the do-ityourself cameras i can install you know and they do it you know all themselves um that number like tj said it seems low it feels like there's a lot more people with that unless you're starting to count condos because a lot of condos are in toronto you can't really put these on your condo doors um so that eliminates a lot of that so it has to be just houses really so last year research released last month found 41 percent of u.s

internet households and this is households that have internet own a smart home device 63 percent own a smart tv 13 own a smart light bulb and 87 percent subscribe to a video streaming service numbers are the numbers are impressive i mean mean, that's a lot of people. A lot of people with TVs. Where are they getting their dumb TVs from? That number seems low. I can't find a dumb TV anymore. Exactly.

I want a dumb TV, please. Let's move on here. Speaking of streaming services, Disney Plus is going to be restricting password sharing in Canada starting from November 1st. The company announced a policy change in an email to Canadian subscribers stating that sharing account credentials outside of households will no longer be allowed, Gavin. So you better, you better rein that in,

that practice in of I guess Netflix hit you guys first and then came to us. And then I'm sure Disney is going to hit you guys first and then come to us. I gave my sister back her Netflixflix account so you know um i'll only take over her disney during you know like mandalorian and stuff like that and then i'll give it back to her for all the other shows must be uh must be payback for canada sending all the smoke down to ford exactly you're running our park yeah the mouse is not happy attendance Attendance is down because of Canada. All right. Well, there's no, I guess there's no details on how they're actually going to enforce the policy yet, but they say it's coming.

It was announced pretty much in like QT earnings call. So they're exploring ways to address the shared accounts issue that nobody seemed to have a problem with at first, but it seems like now that they are, everything is money driven and, you know, they've got to get those numbers up. And one of the numbers they like to get up is profit. So speaking of raising numbers, Netflix is planning to raise streaming service prices again in the coming months. According to the Wall Street Journal, the price increase will occur in several markets globally, starting with the US and Canada.

The specific amount of the price hike is still unknown. But just last year, Netflix raised the prices across all plans, starting with the standard tier costing about $15.49 a month and the premium plan costing $20 a month. So yeah, just one year of a Netflix plan. And then now they're saying, we're gonna have to raise it again that's just the consumer now paying for everything that they've given the uh writers for the strike oh yeah but like they're not they're not gonna take it out of their own pocket they're gonna be like all right we'll give you all raises everything you want we'll just raise

our price and make everyone pay for it you know and you know i'm not saying that you know i'm not going against what the writers are doing like don't get me wrong here i'm just saying these companies get greedy and they'll find a way to pay for these things yeah one one interesting thing that did come out of the wga getting their contract uh fixed up with these with with these uh streaming services is that they were asking for um basically a they they were demanding that like numbers be released and i guess this these it was one of the things that got agreed to and that that that just doesn't happen like apple netflix they do not they do not tell you how their shows have performed and the writers want to know like how how much should we get paid like we should be getting paid for this and i guess they're they're supposed to be keeping it like quiet and and i don't know how they're going

to do this like it's supposed to be this thing that like only a few wga staff members go in and look at and see or whatever but then like hollywood is like the most leaky industry ever when it comes to bragging rights about how well your show is doing these numbers are not going to stay secret i don't really know how they're going to that's going to happen but that means i guess in a number of months we're going to start actually seeing real numbers start circulating around rumor mills and we're going to actually know like how well these shows are doing on netflix and apple tv and that kind of thing it'd be interesting i think i think canada just released a law,

put in a new law where they're going to have to register their numbers. Nice. And release that information in Canada, at least. I don't know if that's where they'll limit the market to. So we'll only see that this show did well in Canada, but it probably does not reflect the US, right? Well, anywhere there's an actor now that gets paid, it doesn't matter if it was filmed in Canada or whatever, like, or the studio is in Canada.

Like, now if an actor is getting paid and they're part of the WGA, they're going to get those numbers. So that's great for them. Yeah. And that's something people have been wanting for a long time. They wanted to see how Netflix's shows were doing, right? And Netflix always said, you know, numbers, like, on a specific show, it didn't matter. It was just the numbers nobody else should yeah it's like that show's here just to get people here but then they

come here and they'll probably watch all our other shows right so we'll see where this goes like i'm just i'm curious if the numbers will be impressed or disappointed i could kill cowboy bebop i'm still bitter about that one that was a fun show it wasn't good but it was fun so yeah well i just i just got netflix back so of course they would raise prices and do all this stuff so you're you're welcome everybody well get it while you can at a discount because the price is going up next soon you may have a month or two all right uh let's we've got a ton of new products here so let's just kind of plow through these raspberry pi foundation announced the release of the new raspberry pi 5 it's got a 2.4 gigahertz quad core 64-bit arm cortex a67 cpu it's got a bunch of video gpu stuff can do dual 4k p60

hdmi displays with hdr support it's got some C decoders. Um, it's got a dual band wifi AC Bluetooth 5.0 gigabit ethernet with POE plus support. If you get a little hat for it, I think, uh, has two as USB 3.0 ports and two USB 2.0 ports and the micro SD card slot as well. Uh, all good stuff, all big improvements. It seems like it's, it's like a notable computer computer but what it means is like we're got a nice new platform to put all sorts of fun home automation platforms on home animation products i can finally hopefully i can find a raspberry pi 4 thing now and actually buy one of those if everybody's clamoring after one of these tj you're shaking your head like

nope they don't exist uh it would be nice to actually buy a... I have a project I still want to do that I need a Raspberry Pi for, and the 3B plus thing that I have is so old it won't work with it. So I want to get my bird thing up and listen to birds and figure out what birds are singing in my yard. Yeah, I know the specs have gone up tremendously since the original Raspberry Pi, but the starting price of $60 kind of hurts me.

Just because it's not a computer you're going to use for small projects anymore. It's a computer that's competing against other computers at that point. But it is interesting to see them keep developing this. I wish they would just do a PCIe slot, though. And keep the micro sd card because some people are going to want that but i just want a pcie uh this one has or like an m2 slot it has a pcie slot on it i don't know what they're gonna you can attach to that though yeah i don't think that's going to be for storage though which is what i want pcie 2e 2.01 X one interface. I might be able to get some storage on that.

Just give me the M dot two slot though. The MVME slot. I don't know. One of them. Never happy. I know. Not for 60 bucks, I guess.

Give me the Raspberry Pi for less than $60, but also I'm going to strap on a SSD that costs 200. No, you can buy them now for like $25. I have one here that's like $256 from Kingston and it was like $30. Fair enough. And that's how much a

decent micro SD card costs anyway, so I feel like that's a pretty good compromise there. Is anybody going to buy one? Seth, you're not buying one. Gavin, are you going to buy one? I'm going to try and buy a four now. Oh, it looks like there's a four for $55 on Adafruit. So maybe I'll get that one.

Ooh, there you go. I've never had a need for Raspberry Pi. But at the same time, too, I have my Unraid server. So everything I run, I just add it in a Docker container or VM on that. I guess Raspberry Pi was good. If you don't have something like that, it's low power, very powerful, etc., etc. server so everything i run i just add it in a docker container or vm on that i guess raspberry bio is good if you don't have something like that it's low power very powerful etc etc but i just personally have never had a need for one well i'm just gonna say this is dead on a rifle it doesn't have ai or matter i mean what are you gonna do with a piece of technology in 2023 without

ai or matter even my phone has matter. Exactly, yeah. This is garbage. This is garbage. Ignore the cost, but. Exactly. Oh, man. Add $1,000 to it and still can't pay for the phone.

Oh, it's got matter now. That's sweet. Exactly. Got to pay for licensing, I guess. I don't know who knows. All right. Moving on to some actual really cool products here we have from Leviton. This one wasn't what I thought at first, but it turns out to actually be pretty cool.

They've introduced, Leviton has introduced a new smart GFCI outlet, which is designed for damp and wet locations like kitchens, bathrooms. Now, it's got a built-in Wi-Fi adapter adapter and it comes in both 15 and 20 amp flavors. So that's pretty cool. You don't really see those 20 amp switches available that smart switches, so to speak. Um, but it's, it's, this is different. I think this is, this is like, it's not allowing you to turn on and off the outlet, like a traditional smart outlet would be what they're calling a smart outlet here is basically like,

it's telling you if that GFCI is actually tripped so you can go do something about it and gavin you mentioned like um sump pumps earlier this would be great for like refrigerators sump pumps stuff in the garage that like you want to make sure that's on and running like say you have a refrigerator in the garage yes usually at least a code here it's like if, if it's in the garage, it's got to have GFCI on it. Like you could use one of these outlets, even have the 20 amps and have no problem with it. But if something like went off, it would have a way to notify you through the Leviton app or whatever they're yeah. My Leviton app. So that's nice. I, and there's also,

it also has a an alarm or something on it. That'll go off like an audible alarm, um, that can beep or something. Uh, if, if it's also, I, I, I didn't, I thought that, oh, this is dumb. But then I started reading about it. I'm like, oh, this is, this is actually smart. This is, this is what you should have used instead of those recalled outlet switches on your, on your, on your sump pump. And usually these outlets are, they're at the beginning of a chain, right? Like in the circuit, right? So they're at the beginning of a chain right like in the

circuit right so they'll monitor multiple outlets along that chain everything basically after it right and they're usually put um anywhere where the outlet can i guess come in contact with water so bathrooms or like you said the garage or outside um so yeah it's good for monitoring that and a lot of things and I'm a big fan of just monitoring things in general around the house because you sometimes if your outlet keeps tripping, it's a sign of something else going on, right? And it's either a bad outlet or something along that line is not good. And you know, you can go take care of it at that point. But it's Leviton. It's a Wi- wi-fi product which means what another app on your phone

more than likely it might not integrate or it's cloud dependent who knows well the the audible alarm isn't going to be cloud dependent so you've got that going for you at least you'll know yeah yeah i thought it was kind of interesting i wish you could control the outlet i understand not being able to reset it you know because that's kind of like a safety feature and everything you shouldn't really bypass that but it's kind of weird that you're not able to control the outlet still switch bodies like hold my beer yeah well maybe they couldn't like i don't know it's cleviton they should have been able to figure out a way maybe they couldn't like figure out a way to like control the outlets but not mess mess with the reset button or something i don't know just seems like

a weird product line to me yeah i mean if it's something that's out of sight out of mind like especially like a sup pump or something like that you definitely want to know if if the the breaker's been tripped and uh yeah yeah i could totally see having how this could have an like an advantage if it's something you're not looking at every day, but just kind of needs to run there in your house and shouldn't be tripped by a crazy GFCI. Because that happens all the time. Like something will get kicked on, the GFCI will be cranky and be like, nah, I'm not living today, it turns off. And then you don't know.

But now you will. Well, speaking of Leviton, they actually released something actually also pretty cool called DecorEdge, which is a innovative wiring solution that for on switches and outlets that basically you can get in there and and and how do you describe this they basically use wago clips on the outlet or the switch itself and and now you just pull back this little lever slide the thing in and clip it down and you're good to go um pretty cool they they have uh ul csa uh approved they made all the codes and everything and they backed by a two-year limited warning as well i don't i i don't know this is this is actually really cool a little

quick wire clamp terminators i think we're all in love with these things just like uh even even what is that the snap thing thing, Speaker Snap company. Like we'll use Wago clips on everything if possible. So this is a good thing. This is not bad at all. Yeah, I wish I would have known about these outlets because I just bought a ton of outlets and replaced them all over my house. And so a lot of my outlets do not have a grounding wire.

And so I just installed three plug outlets anyway because I didn't want to deal with adapters and all that stuff. have a grounding wire and so i just i just installed three plug outlets anyway because i didn't want to deal with adapters and all that stuff um but my favorite feature of this is not the lever connectors but the automatic lining up of the plate uh which i didn't notice until gavin said something because that is one of the most aggravating thing about installing switches and outlets in like multiple locations is that it always takes a while for them to line up you have to leave the the plates loose or the uh the devices loose so you can get them into the right spot and everything like that and it's just so aggravating it's a lot of time spent and that's a really cool feature of that so decorah edge is what they're calling that yeah

like it basically it can slide back and forth easier or it kind of lines them up but it also slides them back and forth easier this is my my new go-to product for outlets that's for sure can you just buy the little thing the decor edge thing that's all i want like put that on other things yeah right just like put them on everything yeah can can this just become a standard in the industry yes yes and the lever connectors i mean because like making the little stupid loop for the the screws and then like getting underneath there is awful and then like jamming it into the back is also awful because sometimes it just comes out and so like i feel like this would just be way more secure than either one of those options yeah i would say yes but unfortunately sinclair broadcasting owns a lot of patents on this we're probably not gonna see it anytime soon yeah it's not gonna work out outlets they're uh big markets crud you know the electricians will fight you on

that because it will make their job way too easy but you know to me this was a significant update to something that's been there for a while um those wago clips brilliant because now it's plastic on the side it's not metal and when you get the bigger boxes these bigger boxes you're trying to jam them into a small box you have to worry about that little metal somehow touching the side you know um it's happened to me i've blown a switch that way you know i usually just put a little electrical tape around it just to stop that from happening but you're working with small spaces and a bigger switch these days and that took care of that i mean it had auto grounding on it you know which i thought was kind of cool it grounds

to the to the actual box itself um you know and then the lining up was awesome the one thing i did not see and it's hard to tell sometimes from these articles but sometimes um in the back of your switch you'll have like on one terminal you'll have two um places for you can shove a wire into right um and that just kind of i i like that because again you're working in a small space that prevents me from having when i have two lines coming into that box i don't have to create a pigtail and it saves me that extra space of another moret in that box so you could just shove two of them in the back there. This one I didn't think had it.

And I would miss that in some of my outlet boxes. But again, I love the upgrade. To me, it's an upgrade. I'd love to see this on smart switches. And yeah, like you said, if somebody can make a little add-on template that we can put on every switch that lines them up automatically like this that that would save so much frustration i still have switches and outlets that are crooked and i just don't care because i got fed up you know it was one of those things like nobody's gonna notice no one will notice right i just leave it there

it's kind of like my my sunken in switches you know just don't don't look at them too long yeah they're all automated so i don't have to touch them and just never show richard no yeah i was looking at home depot to see how much these are and they're about two dollars and 50 cents a unit here in the states i guess they're not available so worth it yeah yeah it's like a dollar more than what i pay for like a normal outlet i think so and for the amount it's a one time cost for the amount you'll buy right it's not really that significant you know a price for these things right like if you had 30 of them in your house the labor savings or the frustration savings i think is what yeah yeah it's nice it's

nice all right well i can pick them up they've got four of them in stock locally i can pick them up tomorrow here we go four four i guess 40 of them in stock technically oh by all 40 let us know how it goes switch out all your outlets no thank you did that once a lot of mine uh so the boxes were from like 1969 and as soon as you started like unscrewing things and the boxes it would just like crumble in the back i'm like oh well next person has to deal with this not me back it goes oh you're one of those homeowners aren't you nope not my problem not my problem i'll take it apart next time exactly like ah who did this oh i did never mind yeah it went back together who cares my job here is done. Wipe hands on pants. All right. Let's move on here. We've got a new, we got a new lock from a, from a new pair of locks from Yale. Yale has

released two models of its Assure 2 lineup smart locks, one with the fingerprint reader and one with support for Apple's home key, but you can't have both. The Yale Assure Lock 2 Touch adds a fingerprint reader and comes with keyed and key free versions. While the Yale Assure Lock 2 Plus, these model numbers are crazy, supports home key and can be opened with the Apple Watch or the iPhone. It's a really cool feature. Definitely recommend it. Both locks are compatible with Apple Home and the Yale app as well as other smart home platforms. But of course, not with Matter. So Yale, you don't matter specifically this week.

Thanks a lot. The Assure Lock 2 Plus will be one of only four consumer level home key locks in the U. The touch is priced at $199, and the Lock2 Plus is $209 for the Homekey one. So there we go. Well, the good thing about Yale is I think they use all the same modules. So even if it doesn't directly support Matter by buying it with it, you should be able to plug it in and probably use it the same way. Yeah, it could be. So that way Gavin can buy one and test it out for us.

I really want to buy one, but they're making this confusing and hard, and I don't want a Wi-Fi version. Do they have a Bluetooth? Not Bluetooth. Zigbee or Z-Wave version still? Last I knew, they had the Z-Wave for sure. I don't know if they have the Zigbee one anymore. On the Asure Lock 2?

Yes. I'll probably pick one of those up because i bought mine mine's the two and it's got i bought it with z wave this one specifically says the plus works bluetooth out of the box and can be bought with the wi-fi module for 289 but won't work with the z wave module so there you go and if you go to their website you can buy the yale zigbee smart module for 50 but will it work with this? Because that's what Seth was saying, that the Z-Wave module won't work with it. I think, well, in the past, you could just take any module and plug it into any Yale or Sherlock.

It would work. So I doubt that's changed, but I couldn't answer that for sure. And why couldn't we get all the features? Like, why can't we get fingerprint and home key? Well, you can, in fact, for at least hundred dollars less if you buy the aquara one exactly if aquara could do it yeah why couldn't you do it you know why are they making you choose why not give us one with everything you know and charge a hundred bucks more yeah they just want too much money for that's why they can't compete with that 200 price point if you've got well they could if they if they offered as many finishes as uh oh wait aquara has no finish options

so well and yale has three exactly it's got black suede oil rubbed bronze and satin nickel and you can get the yale of sherlock 2 or the yale of sherlock 2 touch or the yale of sherlock 2 plus yeah and i really i really like my Yale. I made a mistake, and I knew I made a mistake when I bought it. I went with one that didn't have physical buttons. It's got, like, the touchscreen thing going on. And I feel like that's just the worst thing for a lock because most of the time when you walk up to the door, you just want to, like, quickly press the buttons and just, like, do it.

But this one, you have to, like, hit the little Yale symbol or you, like, starfish the keypad and then that like lights it up and then you type in your code but sometimes your code doesn't work because you didn't type it correctly or you know it doesn't register your your finger presses so i feel like the the capacitive touchscreen or whatever that is it's just awful you see you're doing your automations wrong that lock should be unlocking before you even get to it when it detects you yeah you know i i barely have to touch my lock because when we come home it unlocks automatically for us right when we leave it locks automatically for us we gotta fix up your automations dj oh we'll talk about that a little bit later all right

and uh i i will say uh the little apple Watch integration, or the home key, I guess. I use the watch all the time. I have the fingerprint reader thing set up as well, but I don't use that as much or at all, really. Just walking up, tapping. I mean, you really just put your watch like right next to the thing. It works great. And when I got the new watch finally everything transferred even the new phone every it all transfers over it just pops there the the key

to your house just gets transferred into your wallet uh as you get the new phone there's no setup or anything involved so it's really it's really one of the nicest features i i just don't think i don't think many people have started to use i don't think you would need the z-wave you definitely need the bluetooth thing to do that on the uh the plus right because you would need you would need that for apple integration or maybe not maybe you could just it would go over home kit by wi-fi too so yeah i guess it makes sense that it's only bluetooth yeah last i knew they it worked natively through bluetooth and then if you wanted wi-fi you had to you had to get their little adapter it was like a little bridge that connected to the lock via Bluetooth, and then that bridge connected to

Wi-Fi. So it always seemed kind of a little janky to me for that setup. But if you just get the Z-Wave version, it's just the Z-Wave module, and it just pairs directly to the hub. And my main reason is for integrations with other systems. I don't care if it's Bluetooth or Wi-Fi, but if I can't integrate it with Home Assistant or Hubitat or anything I want to integrate it with, then I don't really want to lock like that because I want to automate the locking and unlocking of that lock. Yeah. And if you're not automated with Home Assistant, then you're doing it wrong. Exactly. Home Assistant supports everything.

Exactly. And if they don't, they will. They will somehow. Somebody will do it. So, it's a last new product here it's kind of cool this is uh this is a bridge that we've talked about before um from innovo but they've released what's called the magic cube aura it's basically a middleware hardware that allows ilan to communicate with thousands of devices uh it's fast and provides the necessary technology and can control devices in both homes and businesses it has 32 gigabit emc storage four gigabytes of ram i don't know it's a fast computer thing here that they're going to be setting up uh to basically i think these guys were basically running home assistant

in the background and they wrote their own like integrations to basically take the stuff that you can do in home assistant and plug it in over into the Elan interface. So all the stuff you can't do in Elan, you now can. It's a pretty good idea. Yeah, I got this on pre-order, so I'll let you know whenever I get it. I think it ships October 10th, from what I remember. So I should have it, what is it, next week or the week after? But I'm really excited for it because i have a lawn integrated

with or i should say i have home assistant integrated with a lawn uh through my home assistant setup and so you can download the driver and you don't even need their little device for this so you can just have home assistant um and you can connect it with the lawn driver and it works but you really need the WebSocket setup. And you have to set up like SSL and a bunch of other stuff on your Home Assistant setup in order to do it. And so for this device, you just basically plug it in and it does all that stuff for you. And it'll work locally with Home Assistant and Elan. And so my plan is to get this and back up and restore my Home Assistant's instance

to this device and then use it to integrate all my stuff with Elan, all my light switches and everything, and then I'll be able to use it with Josh. So Home Assistant will work with Josh very shortly. That's a nice way of getting it done. Yeah, I was looking for a way to do that and i was like the only the only ones that i could tell and i haven't done a deep dive is that you can use the

vera or easy low uh hub in order to get that in with josh but i'm not going back that route so i'm glad this came out when it did um the last one it didn't really support USB hubs. And so you could use Home Assistant with Elan, but it wasn't like possible or it was kind of janky to use Z-Wave dongles and Zigbee dongles and stuff like that. So this one basically natively supports it, and it should be way more of a plug-and-play device. Yeah, that'd be nice. Do you know if they have made their own kind of like interface

over the top of Home Assistant, or you basically just dropped into Home Assistant to set this stuff up? Yeah, it's literally just Home Assistant. Interesting. So as far as I know, they're not doing anything special minus the driver for it. Right. Which just integrates with Home Assistant and basically says, oh, here's your lighting devices.

And then we'll translate what Home Assistant does into Elan language, which is, you know, give you the access to the interface that way. And that's, that's really, that's, that's not a bad idea. It's not a bad idea. Good job. Yeah. It's genius. And the price of it is really good. I don't think they say prices on their website, so I probably shouldn't say, but the price of it, I think is really good for what it is. Yeah. Especially if you have somebody. So what I, what I see here, and I just don't know the, the, the most most the most thing you can do here is uh to support this project is support like because i can tell you that most integrators

will get involved with home assistant and cross their eyes pretty quickly but if they can get in and they can tell you like where to click and how to set stuff up um because home assistant generally involves lots of reading instructions and i that's not common in our industry in general so if they can get in there and make it like easy to set up and do stuff i think they're it's going to be a win yeah i don't they're not even doing that though which i find remarkable it's basically just literally home assistant on a computer and so it's not as far as i can tell it's not skinned or anything like you know if you get like an android device and and you whatever manufacturer it is,

they basically have their own skin and how it works and everything like that. This is literally just Home Assistant on a computer. And so they're not doing anything that wise. I don't know if the new one does though, obviously, because I don't have it yet. But the old one, it was just Home Assistant on the computer. You plugged it into the network and then you just use the like Home Assistant. Well, why wouldn't you use Home Assistant running on like a giant unraid thing is it just because of all the extra setups that they do for you well i mean that's my laziness time so like it's it's literally so

this this makes it easy because it already does the web socket thing for you yeah and so like communication is instant and with the without the ssl setup um it uses http or https which still has a lag to it as well and so it's just not as fast gotcha and they're like their official hardware does not have this problem and i wouldn't have this problem with my home set my home assistant setup if i had the time to do all this and i i just don't so i So I actually asked Gavin for help and Gavin was like, nope, not helping you with that. So that,

that tells you, he said, he said, if you send me a Josh AI system, I'll help you do it. Yeah. He said, no,

no, for free. Send me a Josh and the, you know, for free, the API is the term of service. Sorry. The API documentation.

I'll work on something for you you know but um yeah api that's funny when it comes to ssl and certificates and stuff that's not my strong point i i really get lost in that stuff so i unfortunately i couldn't help you with that it's all right it's like me and websites you know that's over here throwing up websites every five seconds and i'm like i don't even know how to update anything they've made that they made that a lot easier i'm surprised it hasn't come like close to like home assistant i'm sure it is somewhere i haven't really looked into it but like in general securing a website is is like a one-click thing these days if you're on a managed provider or like you just paste something into a command line from a, from let's encrypt and it does it automatically.

Like it just sets up and then really you just have to worry about it being installed correctly and renewing on time. I've had that happen a couple of times to me on servers. It's like, whoops, the auto renew did not work. I wonder why, but they'll email you too. It's kind of nice. So anyway, it sounds like a really cool product. And yeah, I don't know. I hope they, they, they, they branch out. Well, maybe not because it'll kill a bunch of my driver integrations but we'll see yeah could you imagine yeah i mean this from what i can see that or kind of understand what you're talking about and what they've done i don't

think that they're very far away from being able to move this product over to a control for setup. Um, outside of like control for as a lot of integrations as well, like natively. So, you know, maybe it doesn't, it doesn't quite make sense, but this also gives you access to many,

many, many, many, many more things, um, that you don't have access to on control for. Yeah. I've,

I've put this as a, uh, of, uh, requests for Josh AI. So wouldn't that be like if you could just pair this directly with josh ai and then bring all your automations into that you would have a full scale yes yes literally that would be it so i think i think it would be smart josh ai and by the way there's listen to this i think you should jump on that. With products like this, it makes any newcomers into the space.

Because usually newcomers come with a new hub. They spend a lot of their time writing their own drivers and doing work that's already been done. Where you get libraries like ZigBee to MQTT and Z-Wave to JS. And you just integrate those. Then you don't have to write all those ZigBee and Z-Wave to JS, right? And you just integrate those, then you don't have to write all those ZigBee and Z-Wave drivers. And you have thousands of products automatically working with your system easily, right?

So doing something like this opens up those kinds of doors as well too, because like you said, Josh and I could just add this in and all of a sudden they have all these products that now work with their systems, right? So it's crazy to think about. Do they charge like per driver on this or just basically they have to right there's got to be some license yeah from what i can tell there's a couple different ways that the drivers

are broken up but it's still not i don't think it's as much as it could be if that makes sense interesting because you could you could get in a lot of trouble doing this like a lot of so much money you could spend with all the integrations you get that'd be really cool oh yeah well and that's the thing is like i mean with this device uh i mean what drivers do you have to buy anymore well it would be like the i guess that's what i was asking do their bridge drivers that they have basically to convert what yeah yeah that that's what i was curious about so yeah cool product uh we'll have to keep an eye on these guys because i think they can do some damage it's really cool um i guess we'll give them the uh who matters this week award because no one else did so um even though it's not a matter products but they matter they matter in our hearts there we go

um all the links and topics we discussed tonight can be found over in our show notes over at hometech.fm slash 454. I guess we have a technically a pick of the week this week. This is called the brew spider. It's a device that allows home brewers and small breweries to have precision control over the temperature and pressure during fermentation. And first of all, I'm disappointed it doesn't look more like a spider and have little eight sensors that come off rather than six. I think that's a big fail on their part, but it's still a Kickstarter stage, I guess. But I don't know. It does time to change. They have time to put two more things on there for me.

It has temperature control, has heating elements. I guess it integrates with a lot of the things that um uh people are using already for uh this type of control but it it kind of gives you deep integration and you can kind of see all of the uh the the sensors all gathered up into one spot in a nice refined package and then also there's a a phone app that you can use to watch your stuff your beer brew and when it becomes the right beer then you can drink it that's what you're supposed to do i made tj laugh you know i wish they had this in university because when i was in university my roommates used to brew beer and they had like kegs behind our couch and we'd be watching tv and you just hear these

things gurgling and our whole our whole floor smelled like beer the whole time and yeah something like this would have been brilliant because then they could just you know monitor it and stuff so i'm living in the wrong time imagine yeah i can't i can't imagine that someone walking into a dorm room and seeing a bunch of large barrels with wires coming out of them going over very well these days yeah true that would be very suspicious but uh we've seen some crazy stuff in our and we we didn't live in dorms we rented rented a house. And we had some fun stuff going on. Yeah, the only time I've seen something like this before was when I was down in Orlando. I always went to weekly meetings or bi-weekly meetings at this coding company.

And it was really cool because they'd buy you a beer afterwards. So, that was always the best part. But they had their own custom setup to where they could actually track the beer usage in their office. And so they had like three or four keg raiders. And on display above it, you could see how much was left and what was being served and all that kind of stuff. But I've never seen it in like a packaged product like this. And this is for the brewing of it. It's not even for the consumption of it, which is completely different.

It looks interesting it looks like there's a a diy hydra hydrometer which looks oddly enough like gavin's uh grass sensor things and i guess you kind of have to like build this thing yourself and uh pop it in or something i don't really know how brewing works but the product is good so there's a lot i really care about the app is called the brew father there you go oh man it's really cool they have a big giant layout and everything where you can go in and look at recipes and stuff yeah it's not bad you know sometimes to me it looks like too much work i'll just go to the beer store yeah yeah that's. That's, I don't know. People like, people do like to do this. Like, yeah, it's like cooking, cooking on the grill and everything. People like to brew beer.

I think my brother was into like brewing beer and wine for a while. So I'm not sure if he's still doing it, but what he did make was pretty good. I don't know if he'd ever do something like this, but you know that, I don't know. Kind of cool. I have a client that makes his own wine because he gets bored. So he gave me a bottle one time and I was like, I don't know if I'm going to drink this. When do you think I should drink it by? I don't know.

Just let me know if it's good or not. It's an experiment. I'm good on that. Thank you, though. Yep, yep, yep. You never know. You never know. It could be something great.

Well, if you have any feedback, questions, comments, beer, picks of the week or great ideas for the show, give us a shout or send us a beer. Our email address is feedback at hometech.fm or you can visit hometech.fm slash feedback and fill out the online form. All right, project updates. Oh, I guess I put myself on here first and then everybody else filled out later.

But you guys made fun of me enough last week. I got busy and i did some projects around the house uh the uh stove vent was not one of them still not done that's only been two years behind so yeah yeah after after our pick of the week last week i did order that anchor outlet um i did get it in i did open the box and i i walked with a screwdriver in hand and over to the outlet I was going to replace and someone was standing there and said, what are you doing with that? And I'm like, oh, this is our new charger outlet. She said, it only has one outlet. I'm like, yeah, isn't that great? You can plug in more things. And that did not go over well because the outlets in this case are

more important in the kitchen than the chargey things. So back that went to Amazon. And I guess instead of paying for the $30 one, I'll be paying for the $50 one because of course. There we go. That's why you got two picks of the week, guys. I should have stuck with Man Stinks. Two outlets. You should have asked before what her requirements were for the kitchen outlets.

Did not do that i i was convinced that the single outlet was better by you guys but nope dual outlets is required i was like you have one right here i don't put stuff on that side and i need two outlets here so that was the end of that conversation and i just walked back and put it back in the box and filled out the return form on amazon he's gonna do these do these. You just got to install these things, Seth. Just get it over with and be like, nope, this is the new way of life. That would have been bad. That would have been very bad.

Just convince her that that was there the whole time. We've only ever had one outlet there. What are you talking about? Two outlets? Gas lighter. Yeah, that'd be great. You can plug it in your USB toaster again. It's got 60 watts.

It could totally do USB-C toasting Oh man. Yeah. So that did not get that done, but I did, I did. Well, I have been working on a project for work and it's a little rack thing behind me. I put a picture of that in the show notes maybe, but if you're going to any of these Cedia tech summits that we will be attending, which should be the one in Florida and maybe the one in Austin, but I'm not sure about the one in New York. We'll have it there. The other thing I worked on was I bought an Acora hub for my door lock, and I plugged that in and pressed one button, and the door lock paired with the hub,

and now I can open and close it remotely, I guess. Didn't really do anything else besides that. I really don't know what I would use the hub for other than more Acora products, I guess. Which, speaking of, I did buy an Ac what I would use the hub for other than more Aquara products, I guess. Which, speaking of, I did buy an Aquara product. I bought an FP2. So, I got the little sensor thing because the other day. Welcome to the club.

Yeah, the other day my wife was in the laundry room and, like, I have one of those. I think I talked about this. Like, I have the sensor. Like, as soon as you walk in, boom, it would come on. Six years, it's been working fine. No battery replacement, nothing. Walk in, boom, comes on. But the thing is I have it on just a dumb timer and I'm too lazy

to do anything else with it because yeah, I am, I don't know. I'm just too lazy. I, it, it, it doesn't, it is a long skinny room that we put on to like the back of the garage. So it's like the full width of the garage, dual car garage, but it's skinny room. And the little thing where I have it at is perfect for the doorway. As soon as you walk in, boom, lights are on. As soon as you walk in any door, lights are on. But if you sneak all the way down to the end of the laundry room where this thing can't see you, the lights will eventually go off like after five minutes or something. But if you're folding laundry and stuff, the lights will go off. And that becomes a problem when there's projects and stuff going on in the laundry room and there's no like override switch. And I could program all that in, but I didn't want to.

I would rather spend this money that I have on an FP2 that you guys have been bragging about for months and months and months and months and months and I saw the little interface of the people walking around and sitting on Gavin's couch at CD and I'm like oh that is too cool that's like future that's the future so I got it and I installed it and it works well it worked too well in fact the first complaint i got was why when you walk by the door here out right outside the laundry room does it does the light turn on and then instantly turn off as soon as you step away from the door like i could probably probably tone that down and i i guess i had the little extension of what the room was a little bit further out the documentation so good on that thing oh no don't don't don't ever read

acquired documentation never there was none it didn't make any sense the stuff that was there so i just kind of like feel my way through it i think i got it i think i messed it up it doesn't work as well but it works it doesn't do that anymore but what i really need to do is have a timer on the thing so like it doesn't turn off, it, as soon as you step out of the room within, I don't know, two seconds, it's off. And I don't think there's anything else like there on the market. Like it's, it doesn't detect you through the wall. And if you turn it up a lot, it will, it can, it can get these like ghost images of people being in the room that aren't in the room that are maybe in the next room over, which it picked me up a couple of times.

But you can kind of tweak the sensitivity down a little bit. But wow, what a really cool product. I think if this was introduced into the professional market, probably be like a $500 product or something ridiculous, especially with the cool little like space age interface where it like tells you where you are in the room and you can like walk back and forth and set the boundaries and and all that like oh man what a really what a really fun product i think there was like what eighty dollars or something like that

yeah yeah it's so worth it yeah definitely the the problems you're experiencing is like yeah add a little timer so that you know i went when it stops detecting someone in that room, wait 60 seconds before turning off, for example. So they don't notice. Yeah. Yeah. And then on the map where you draw your outline, what I did is I would walk around the room and figure out where the edges it was detecting was. And then when you have your walls and everything, everything outside of that, set it up as an edge edge like basically colored the whole thing and then it no longer will see you through it will no longer see you through the walls or even if it does it doesn't care

because it says you're outside of the area of monitoring and that gets around it but honestly like i have two of them and every time i go into the app and i see you know the little people on it moving around i i don't know why I find it so amazing. You know, like I can look in my family room right now and I see the wife sitting on the couch and it, you know, I can see her move to the other edge of the couch. Like how accurate it is. It amazes me every time and setting it up. At first I set it up. So when I sat in my little chair, the lamp would turn off or turn on you know and i got up but that was just you know like a that's cool it detects me in this chair you know um but i turned that off

and i'm just more amazed that it unlike a pir sensor where you're sitting still it stops detecting you this thing will you always knows you're in the room yep and you know a millimeter wave to me is the future when it comes to presence detection in a room yep and you know a millimeter wave to me is the future when it comes to presence detection in a room i just pasted a picture of my little skinny room so you can see it's only two squares wide it's not it is not wide at all so it was having all sorts of weird ghosting issues with me walking into the garage or whatever but yeah as soon as i figured out that your door's not even in the same room yeah well you can put little stickers i guess they call them on there.

But the door doesn't swing that way anyway. I don't know. I think it affects how it works. And I guess I could delete that. But I don't know why. It's about where the door is. And then, I don't know. It really does work as advertised-ish. There's a lot of tuning I want to do on this thing,

but can't because i don't really understand what the settings do or and they're not explained like yeah yeah and where you have that little door set up mark that as an exiting entrance as well too that affects detection right um it will know that somebody's going out there interesting okay. Okay. I'll try that. Cause yeah, it's about in that, that square area or whatever. So, um, but yeah, it is as soon as you step into the, that little, as soon as you step over that square, as soon as you step into the laundry room, boom, it's on just like the other one. And as soon as you leave, it goes off. Now that's my problem. So this is my handicap Gavin, um, HomeKit. HomeKit is my my handicap here because there's no timer it doesn't have a timer and i found a plug-in for homebridge that gives me a time i don't know the documentation is even

worse well you haven't integrated this with your home assistant i had oh come on like what's the point of having a home assistant when you're not using it you know use it for like two devices right now use it you know you gotta if you added this to your home assistant you can easily set up those automations with a timeout timer etc etc you know i don't know i could i could do it i could do that but i i kept it that's how the cool kids are doing that seth i know i was trying to do it all in home kit and it doesn't have a timer thing that's kind of disappointing and so And so I will revisit outside integrations in the future. What I really want is that data.

I don't know. Can you get that data off the thing? Like how far you are away from or like this entity is. Oh, man, that'd be so cool. Or even the number of people detected in a room. People have been asking for stuff like that. They would love to see how many people are detected in a room. But no, you can't get that data yet. That would be brilliant. We're going

to have to put a picture of what this looks like in the show notes. I'll have to go stand in the room to actually trigger off the little person walking around. But I have a long skinny room and you'll just see a green thing and everything red around it means, you know, that's not where you go. But yeah, just to kind of visualize what this does it is insane like absolutely crazy i will when you show you're showing off in in in denver you're showing that off at the bar i was like oh that that's that's that's the future that's space age what i want to do is like put it in my daughter's room like and i can i okay i do have one major complaint on this product in products like it um somebody needs to come out with a way of figuring out the pin on the USB

so you can install this properly. Because having a giant six foot USB cable or nine foot or whatever the heck they give you, with no power supply, by the way, like, yeah, you don't need one of those. You have plenty laying around. No, I needed a power supply, had to plug it in. But it's just a bunch of garbage wire hanging off the back of this really cool looking product and there's really no way to install it and i think they do a lot better if you could like just give me terminals like i'll hook up a power supply do it i have no problem doing that no they won't do that it's usb so somebody figures out like what the usb pins on it are or whatever and then like makes a product where you can just like easily

clip that in and it has like a whip and you can take some CL two rated cable or CL three rated cable, whatever it is out to where you want to go. Cat five. That'd be great. This thing would take off. I mean, I could put this in my daughter's room,

like in the ceiling and detect where she is in that room. If she gets out of bed, we would know. I don't have a door sensor. She doesn't get out of bed. There's no camera in there. Like leaky, you know, wifi cameras or anything like that. I don't have a door sensor. Just to get out of the bed. There's no camera in there. Like leaky, you know,

Wi-Fi cameras or anything like that. I don't like those. The RF cameras, I don't like those either. You can decode those and that kind of thing. So it's kind of, there's going to be a day where I take that out. But like knowing where she's like in the bed or not, like at night without even having to open a camera.

Oh, that'd be great. That'd be awesome. Yeah. And I guess since there's no documentation, you didn't read it. But if you're going to gonna mount it in the ceiling it kind of ruins the detection um to mount if you mount in the ceiling fall detection works but then room presence is kind of iffy you lose like you lose a lot like it can't monitor the whole room it just limits you to a little space um you have to actually put it in the wall and there are people that have been saying the same thing we hate the fact that it has a usb

cable that we have to run down our wall and plug in yeah and some people actually have designed little mounts that they could put in the ceilings or the walls and they ran the cable up into their attic somewhere and plugged it in up there something like that but i know like we could probably 3d design a mount that has poe or something um you know integrated into it in 3d print off something and you know maybe you can run a poe to it and have that poe convert over to the usb power yeah it's such a nice looking product like it looks great and in the problem is is it has like you look at the instructions which are there and tells you what height to put it it's basically eye level like it has to be at eye level yes and like you're going to see this thing and the only reason no one has seen it is

because i put it in at the very end of the the thing that's where my breaker panel is and that's where my that's where like the sprinkler system is so there's already junk there on the wall no one's ever going to notice it has a magnetic base and guess where that magnet went right on the panel so it's like if no one noticed a little white circle thing there and they're not going to but that's what's you know set up and run in the room and it runs it better than it you know if you're in the room the lights aren't going to go off anymore so that's good that that was the goal in their app they have those like presence detected loss after x amount of time but you can't get those events outside of their app they have those like presidents detected loss after x amount of time but you can't get those events outside of their app as far as i can tell there's no way to like

well those out if you set it in the app presidents lost maybe it won't turn off the switch in home kit until it's past that no it's the it's the home automation oh it's in there okay there if then stuff yeah so yeah if it was all aquara i could do it but i i want to i want to get it out of there and either use home kit or probably you know home assistant home assistant you could do it for sure and i really wanted to put one of these in the bathroom right but um yeah same with you i don't have an outlet in my bathroom i want to put it at eye level like that seems like a mystery like my bathroom my bathroom's um two pieces and in the place where you know you have the toilet and the shower and stuff

there is no outlet in there all i have is a switch and a light so i'd have to install or find like a poe adapter and run a network cable or something up into there and see if i can convert it over but it's's a great device. And there's other millimeter wave sensors you can get that people are talking about, but it doesn't have these features in them. Like the people detection, zone detection, a lot of them don't have that feature. And this is where this excels.

And it's really impressive when I show people. Yeah, for $80, I mean, that is... There are motion sensors in the pro world that costs $80, you know, like it's insane what they're doing with this and like the little interface and app that you get off of it. Um, it's a fun toy. It really is. Uh, so thanks for keeping plugging that every week until I finally bought one. So I'm going to have to chalk that on my, my scoreboard over here. We probably shouldn't add it up actually., now that I think about it. No.

Let's not talk about total cost. We could put it in Home Assistant. You could talk number of devices, just not cost. Not cost. Yeah, first row of home tech. Don't talk about cost. All right. Well, that's all.

I mean, that would be all I have, but that's all I got this week. It took a long time talking about that. There's a lot of fun stuff with that and, of course the annoying install thing. Like I really wish that there was another way to do that. Even a little, I don't know. It's such a nice looking device. If it could be mounted on the wall, flush mounted on the wall, it'd be way better, way better of a nice, nice looking device. So maybe in the future, one day, one day. Hey, well, Gavin, you talked about 3D printing amounts for for for the the acquire there uh what what are you been up to it looks like you've been doing some 3d printing oh yeah

but before i get into that i just want everyone to know a home assistant 2023.10 dropped oh right so well go seth go not not yet seth because you know we record by the time you edit this show and release it it will officially be out but you're probably five updates behind anyway so you can go ahead and it update now if you want but some of the um it wasn't a major update but there's something really cool that i'm still waiting to see what they do with this but they introduce private ble device support and they're talking that you'll be able to do things like track an iphone or a watch apple Watch or even an AirTag possibly for room presence. So something to what you were working on, TJ, you were tracking people in a room.

You might be able to start doing that with the latest update. So I'm waiting to see what they say about that and what capabilities they update. So if that's something you're interested in, keep an eye out for that. But in terms of projects, this week was all about 3D printing. Basically, I got the new iPhone and then there's all the hidden costs behind getting an iPhone, I call them, because you got to get new cases, you got to get new mounts for your cars. And in all my cars, I have the the pro clip mounts where they make a base that fits your car specifically and then you have to buy the the piece that will fit for your phone right well each of those pieces for the phone was going to cost me 50 plus each so i started

looking at 3d printing something and i designed a little um magsafe holder, you know, an amount that I could attach instead. And, you know, for $2 each printed, put them in the car. Wife actually loves it because now she just magnet, she just puts the phone on there, sticks on, it doesn't fall off. She's like so impressed. She's happy with it. So if she's happy, I'm happy. We're all happy, you know? And that was my 3D printer starting to pay for itself. That's all I have to say. When I told her, I go, it cost me about $2 to make this, or I could have paid over $100 for the mouse. She's like, okay, okay.

It's adding up. It's, you know, it's earning its keep. So I'm like, all right, great. You know, I won't tell her how much power it uses though, but that's okay. And then, you know, I needed, like, I have a pretty flat desk and not many drawers on it. And I saw somebody designed a drawer that you could just attach it here. So I 3D printed a drawer. Think about it.

I 3D printed a small drawer and put it on my desk just to throw random small things in that I'm sitting on my desk. So, you know, if I haven't convinced you to get a 3D printer yet, maybe I will soon, you know, because I'm having too much fun with it. Took me a while to get the FP2, but... 3D printer right around the corner. A little bit more expensive, but it's worth it. It's so much fun. If you have the time, though. Yeah.

I would say Seth has a lot of time to design stuff. And that's the fun part is designing stuff. You look at projects differently when you're actually designing it yourself and you're not like just looking for somebody else's design. You look at it and you say, oh, I can just, I can design that in Tinkercad and you throw it all together and you put the screw holes in and you know, done, right? I've gotten to a point where I could design something in like half an hour and have it, you know, start to print up from there it's pretty cool yeah there's a lot of design programs out there for 3d stuff but tinkercad does such a good job it was hard for me to try to invest in my time it's like anything else because it's like it's so easy to like just create everything and it's

just using like shapes and everything so i mean it's very rudimentary and how you can actually design things but it just the way it works is very simple and it's very rudimentary and how you can actually design things but it just the way it works is very simple and it's not hard to go from like nothing to a printable object get one seth no i was looking at the dash mount oh the ones i have specifically are pro clip ones because you you they make them specifically for your car so that they kind of snap into the panel somewhere right um and you don't screw it on it doesn't clip on a vent or anything and they're really cool um but they're not cheap when you compare them to other things but now that i can 3d print a different holder for it we already have the bases now we're good now

we're gonna just put me a whole mount gavin i want to give this a shot uh if you want then you got to measure the car and everything like that and i already had the base you know i could have done the whole amount you can design a you know if you measure everything out you could design it yourself if you want right oh you can get a charging case and everything yeah i just went with the magsafe just a magsafe holder in it and you just plop your phone on it it grabs grabs it and holds it right there. And then Bluetooth's to your radio. Like, it's so easy. It's so nice. You just don't get one of those holders that you slide it in because the lightning port.

Well, you guys are all USB-C. Now you're going to need USB-C cable and, you know, all sorts of. No, just get MagSafe. It works with everybody's phone from an iPhone 8 up. No, I haven't run across this. I think I've heard about up. No, I haven't run across this. I think I've heard about them before, but I haven't run across them. So, yeah, I'll have to. You're getting me to spend money on a car now.

I don't want to spend money on it. I've had Pro Clip for years now in all my cars, and I love them. They're clean installs. Yeah, they look great. They have some that clip over the vents, which I do not like, because that is just, you can't do that in florida those are always awful anyway yeah and and they have one that that clips on the like the side of where the radio would be so that that one makes sense i could do that i think i'm just my phone just goes on the passenger seat now because i

have carplay in both vehicles so yeah, yeah. Fancy. Over there. But then the problem, too, is that it slides around and falls off the ground. And this is better than like sticking it onto something with some sticky tape and then it falling off or whatever. So, yeah, that's pretty cool. I like it. Buy it, Seth. It's in the cart. We'll see what happens.

I have more investigating to do. Well, if you have any questions, ask. We'll do. We'll do. I'm always here to help you spend money. A magic mountain pro to extendo suction cup and phone mountain. That looks fun.

It's got an extendo on it. All right. Uh, well, okay. So DJ, what have you been up to, uh,

over the last week? Well, I've got a couple of small things going on right now. One of the bigger tasks I've been doing is cleaning up my home assistant stuff. And so when I set up the home assistant server, it was like when we were first just got possession of the house and they need, I needed to set up, you know, smart switches and cameras and whatever else I was installing at the time. Um, but I wasn't like doing it in like a concise manner, like Gavin told me to do it. And that's just because I didn't have the time. I just wanted to make things work. And when you want to make things work, you have to sacrifice quality sometimes. And so I've been going through and

I've been deleting automations that don't work. I've been renaming automations that way they're similar. So like, you know, just if it's a thermostat automation, I put thermostat and then like a little dash and then whatever it does and then, you know, exterior and whatever else, just so when I'm looking for it, I know exactly where to go and I can have an idea of what is there. And I started doing that with devices and everything else as well. And all this is because I need to actually start getting a lot of my automation set up. You know, I got some basic stuff set up. I got, you know, the exterior lights turn on when, you know, 30 minutes before sunset and, you know, the bathroom light turns off with motion and stuff like that.

But I want, you know, to be able to set up location based stuff. So whenever we leave the house, you know, the camera turns on the robot vacuum goes and all that kind of fun stuff that you normally do with automation. That's what I'm working on now. And I feel like it's a good time to do that because I just got the rack kind of cleaned up and, you know, prettied up and everything like that. That was kind of that's kind of been a dumpster fire. It's not finished you know i know gavin's gonna look at the picture and be like oh that's not finished you're giving me grief for all these different colored screws and stuff like that only because you gave me grief well absolutely and i feel like that's reasonable but you know it's an ongoing project it's not done yet so i i think i get a pass for the moment. One of my Inovelli switches actually broke.

I'm not really sure how, but it just didn't turn on anymore. And so I was able to get that replaced. They made the RMA super easy. They just, you know, they said, you know, what happened? How are you using it? And I told them and they mailed me a new one. So that was super convenient. As far as I i know they're not

even taking the old one back but i mean it doesn't really do me any good anyway so it's kind of just sitting on my desk until i decide to break it down and recycle it and then i bought an apple watch i bought a series 9 watch because i was like you know i i don't wear jewelry i've never been like a necklace person or a watch person. I've worn watches in the past, like when, depending on my job. And so I used to work at a summer camp and, you know, making kids be on time for things is kind of crucial at a summer camp. And so I wore a watch everywhere I went because it's not responsible to pull out a cell phone everywhere.

But, you know, I was like, I've been hearing a lot about apple watches and i'll go ahead and give one a shot you know best buy is pretty good with returns and so i bought it from best buy and i was like i'm definitely going to return this watch and i'll give it a shot for a week or two and you know i won't be out anything besides like maybe 20 the at&t because i got the cellular version no nice because my goal is to not carry my cell phone with me, depending on where I go or what I'm doing. And that just doesn't seem to be a reality for me at the moment. So some of the apps I wanted to use,

like the remote start for Nicole's car, isn't supported without being connected to the phone. Oh, that's ridiculous. Whereas my remote start for the van is. There's no native app support for the VoIP system I use, the phone. Oh, that's ridiculous. Whereas my remote start for the van is. There's no native app support for the VoIP system I use, OpenPhone. But like you'll get notifications and stuff like that

because it mirrors, you know, the iPhone and everything. It seems like a good device and the battery life is good. I think I've had it on all day and it may be down to 50% battery life. So, I mean, the battery life isn't a problem, but I just, I don't know

if I'm gonna find use out of it and not being a watch person anyway i just i think it's it's not gonna happen but maybe seth here will convince me i just sent you an invite on your apple watch for the walkie talkie so i can walkie talkie you over my watch oh send me send me send me that's what i need i also use my watch when golfing so you know like i know you're not you guys don't golf but when i'm golfing i actually can look at my watch and shows me you know the distances to like um bunkers and stuff so it comes in handy when you're doing like even if you're doing workouts and stuff like that it comes in really handy like doing stuff

like that i didn't i didn't get an invite seth so maybe you sent us the wrong tj you know after all that tj what one thing i the only thing i really heard you talk say was like you didn't listen to gavin and gavin was right about setting up home assistant you know yeah that's all right that's a clip i'm gonna use that we could promote on you know social media later you can put it on mastodon where nobody else see it what do you mean mastodon i get more engagement from than anywhere else i think the twitter's uh formula just filters out all my stuff it's not important enough that makes sense actually right but mastodon i get a lot of replies and stuff because everyone sees it yeah and you're important to all nerds um but my last update for apple products is that I had a Urban Armor Gear case, which I've been with Urban Armor Gear for like eight years or something now.

They make kind of rugged cases. I would compare them to OtterBox without being obnoxious. I feel like OtterBoxes are just like too crazy. And unless you work in like an oil field, then you probably don't need an OtterBox. But these ones are a little more rugged. But I returned it because it had a cut out for the action button and i don't have you guys had have you guys bought a case for your iphone does it just have like a regular button over the action button i got the um the fine woven case so i've

always had the leather case on my phones and since they canceled that and they gave me the fine well whatever they call it right um i got got that case. And it's nice. My only complaint is that it has a weird texture to it that every time I touch it, I get goosebumps, right? And this is the weirdest thing, okay? The only way I could stop that from happening is to imagine that it's actually like a fur or something like that. Like, this sounds really weird but when i do that then i don't get the goosebumps and it's like yeah you know man i should have said this on the podcast but it's gonna be left in anyway so oh yeah i'm kind of getting used to it i feel like if i

this is gonna see on even worse but goosebumps are feeling good at this point. If I touch it harder, then I don't get that weird feeling that gives me the goosebumps. And I'm not helping my case. Go back to your case. Well, speaking of cases, I don't have a case on my phone. And I've been going naked for the past like four days. And I looked at my phone right before we started this podcast. And I'm pretty sure there's like three small scratches on my screen so not not bad for a week and a half old device i oh i i mean i

give up on that almost immediately i have to uh to to put on um what are these things called the glass screen protector or something yeah the spigen glass oh yeah i get them off amazon they have the little mount they like you just i'm so good at these i even put one on the little ipad mini i got because i was i had it for like two days i'm like this is gonna last like i will break the glass in no time so yeah if you have apple care plus like you can that's why i have apple care they'll just replace it for $29 uh it may be a little bit more than that i think i think has it increased i think the glass break was like 100 bucks or something like i don't remember last time i had to do it yeah i think the the screen

itself because i just had one done so the at least on my 12 pro max i don't know if it's different for the 15 but if you just do the screen or the back, it's only $29. Oh, okay. However, if you need the whole phone replaced, then it's $100. Oh, maybe that's what they had to do. And that appears to be correct. So it's still $29 for screen or back glass. Accidental damage is $100. And then theft and loss is $149.

So for the price of three cases or, you know, for the price of three screen or back repl for the price of three uh screen or back replacements then that's how much my case cost so i think i'm just gonna risk it for now it's a risky life man i i i um i i can't i i didn't put that on the same day it would be it would be i would have dropped it and it would have been over the the other ones actually broke all three cameras somehow i i don't and it had a case on it and the screen protector so now i guess i need a little circle protect on it somehow to go over the camera lenses but i don't know um oh well that's that's just me um i will eventually scratch the heck out of this this watch here gavin i sent you an invite too and you're not answering your watch i'll let you know in a week when i break my screen

yeah exactly i i've never i've had this walkie talkie thing on this on i've had apple watch forever and i i walkie talkied my wife and she's like she's like um i'm not using this she turned it off so i've never been able to talk to anybody hey gavin i don't know uh it just keeps saying you're not available we'll figure this out later yeah i've never actually been able to make this work or get it to work or use it so i've never used the watch yeah forever no one uses it so i'm gonna do this in the middle of the night just oh nice awesome you're gonna be you're gonna be 11 o'clock at night and you're gonna be like you're gonna just gonna hear my voice. TJ, your idea of the middle of the night and mine are way different.

I know, I know. I'm already in bed by two hours by the time that comes around. Those messages I send on Slack at 3 a.m. are not me going to bed. There's still a couple hours left in the night, my friend. All right, all right. Let's, uh, let's move on here. Um, maybe one day we'll figure out the walkie talkie. He said no one's available. Yeah. It's not working. I got your invitation. I accept it. It just says not available. Yeah. I, it had you on there and, uh, it, it, then it said TJ is not available and,

and gave up on life. So I don't know. We we'll figure it out maybe by next week we'll have working home assistance and oh yeah there you go gavin's calling me again hey gavin how's it going how do i get out of there oh okay now it's working oh nice later it's actually convenient if i wanted to call gavin like hey man at the middle of the night at like 10 30 you forgot to upload your audio yeah exactly all right well uh we do want to give a big thank you to everyone who supports the show but especially those who are able to financially support our show through our patreon page if you don't know about the patreon page head on over to hometech.fm support to learn how you can support hometech for as little as a dollar a month any pledge over $5 a month gets you a big shout out here on the show,

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