HomeTech.fm - Episode 459 - Rage Against the Garage Door Opener

Episode Date: November 11, 2023

On this week's show: MyQ is removed from Home Assistant faster than you can say “YAML” and the world quickly finds better, cheaper alternatives, Josh.ai and AVA respond to the SnapOne lawsuit, Resi Systems releases their 2023 State of the Industry report, Google launches an AI to create scripts for you in Google Home, Disney takes over Hulu, and Switchbot Matters. All of this, a pick of the week, and project updates!

this is the home tech podcast for friday november 10th from sarasota florida i'm seth johnson from reynoldsburg ohio i'm tj huddleston and from pickering ontario i'm gavin campbell welcome to the home tech podcast podcast all about home animation home technology and garage door openers because yay the big news that's all we're going to talk about from now on garage door openers and prints and rats you gotta talk about rats rats the rat rat garage door opener it's probably guys initials or something it's got a terrible name they really need to go through a rebranding ragdoll yep yep well uh it's i guess it's official now because uh home assistant announced shortly after we well i don't know if it was shortly after we recorded the show. I have no idea when they announced it. Sometimes after we recorded the show.

Before, between last show and this show. Yeah. Somewhere in that week's worth of time, Home Assistant put up on their blog that they would basically be discontinuing and removing the MyQ integration that is built into Home Assistant sometimes in December. So it's not going to work anymore. They're not going to update anymore. And then, yeah, completely removed December 6, 2023. And this, I guess, woke up a bunch of people who were using it

and made the internet angry for a day. And I guess now there's all sorts of people looking for different options on what you can do to how you can control your garage door without using myq hey myq is good if you're uh just using myq and their app if you want to integrate it with anything forget it but if you're just using their app to open and close and monitor your garage go ahead enjoy your myq as someone who's installed a lot of myq it is not good even with its own app which is the disappointing thing right like yeah it doesn't integrate with anything but like even their own stuff does not work that well i was hoping they would yeah it's it's kind of gotten it kind of like goes up and down a lot from what i understand

and a lot doesn't it take like two minutes to close your garage door like it sits there and beeps at you or something like that? Well, that's a safety mechanism. And that's because of all the home assistant people that were using their servers. It slowed it down for everybody else. So now it's going to be more reliable with, what, 200,000 less people on it? Yeah. I always like going up to my garage door and hitting the button and knowing that it closed.

And then I guess theirs will beep at you and all that kind of thing. Um, but, but there's options now, now that you're not going to use my queue anymore because you know, Chamberlain doesn't want anybody to use their service, I guess. I don't know. It's kind of weird if you ask me, um, just have an API, have an API guys. It's not that hard. They want people to use our service set. They just want you to pay to use our service. You're not going to pay for it. They don't want you. You're not a customer. Yeah. The ongoing, uh, RMR of garage door openers, I guess they're not content enough with having a virtual monopoly on literally every garage door opener that gets installed in America. They have to go for the RMR because why not? It's 2023 and this is America. Here you go. Uh, anyway, there are a couple of, um,

interesting products out there that you can get. Um, we'll put a link to the article here, uh, over at the verge. I've actually, I read this one earlier, Jennifer, uh, Tui went through and did a kind of a roundup of a bunch of these things. Uh, the one that we talked about, what was it last week was in that newsletter was the rat GDO, which is kind of what we were talking about earlier. Um, last week, was in that newsletter, was the Rad GDO, which is kind of what we were talking about earlier. I ordered one of those. I don't even have a garage door, but I ordered one. I wanted to kind of play with it. No, that's not, I guess it's like FOMO, I guess. I don't know. No, it's not FOMO. Like, I wanted to see what it does. You just got excited with the rest of us. I did, I did. We'll see if it ever ships, Because I think I waited just a bit too long and then ordered mine kind of after we had talked, after I'd thought about it.

I'm like, you know what? It'd be fun to see how this thing communicates and works and integrates. And at the end of the day, I'll have one of those, you know, ESP32 things to play around with if I wanted to. So there's a couple of different options she goes up here a morose smart wi-fi garage door opener remote amazon has their own am i saying that what m-e-r-o-s-s miros i always said a miros which is pretty funny there's a couple of other other ones that they have here tailwind the tailwind iq3 pro uh the ismart gate garage door controllers uh the rat gdo wi-fi control board and then um we i know that connected makes

one it doesn't it won't necessarily work with the myq one um but you know they they might they might have an updated product in a few months that, that looks exactly like the one that they sell now that works with my Q. So keep an eye on those guys too. Maybe we should get Nate on and have him talk about all the cool stuff that he's doing, but that's a, that's a really cool company. If you, if you don't know about them, they make like these little security products that can integrate like old security panels and that kind of thing.

And they may come out with a garage door opener product. So it's basically the rad GDO basically that you see in a nice little box and it has a bunch of other stuff in it like a laser freaking laser beams 74 versus what 30 for the rad gdo but it also comes with a case you can't beat that yeah that case is worth 40 or you could use this little garage at security 2.0 thing with any relay you want which i think is kind of nice too so yeah that's and that's what i normally use because i but the problem is like typically the home automation relays that i had with control for like you can see on garage's web page there the garage they have a product for control 4 it's 199 so it's like anything that like we used in the control 4 world was always more expensive because you had to you could buy the 30 garage thing but

then you had to have a relay to turn it on and off or a hard wire running there all the way back to your automation controller which again may or may not have existed so um like i think the i don't really remember how much they were but they like control for there was another company called like card access that made a bunch of zigbee stuff for control for and they had some like in the few hundred dollars worth of relay and contact relay extender things that were either battery powered or you can plug them into a device and i'd use those all the time to actually i think that's what i'm using at my house on my or i did use when i still open and close my garage door i use that on on mine so um so you do have a garage door you just you just can't use it right now because your stuff's all in there uh so there

are options out there uh go ahead and get rid of my queue because they don't want to work with you unless you pay them and it's not a it's not a good relationship to be in so and wise wise had a garage door controller too did they they really see yeah of course they do you see the thing they have everything but no one ever talks about them probably because it's in a its own little walled garden as well so they did they had the one with this like a sticker or something that you put a sticker on the wall qr code qr code yeah yeah yeah it was it so they use their camera 55 normal yep so actually it's only 20 if you just want the garage door controller but it's 50 if you want it with a uh camera so you have to But you'll be in the same situation.

It probably doesn't integrate easily with anything. You'll still need the relay. Yeah. And if you need one of those stickers, it's 99 cents. Yeah, not compatible with the yellow learn button, which is what the majority of garage door openers I see have. I scanned the QR code they have on their website. That's the garage door sticker, and it brought me to a 404 page.

So I hope their garage door openers still work they probably forgot about it they probably did yeah i don't know it's there um we'll put a link to the that that's that's actually not a very bad price um either so but you'd have to team that up with the 30 garage thing if you're going to deal with one of these well that's what i like most about the garage thing at least you could use anything you wanted at that point so if you wanted z-wave or zigbee or mad or whatever you just switch out you know your end device at least um probably a little more expensive depending on what you're going to do but a little more flexibility yep i i agree and maybe maybe i just like to hack things a little bit you know as an as integrator, that's what we had to do for the longest time, is take a wireless door controller and hook it up to a relay,

because that's the only option we had. And that's what I do with the Zeus relay. It's so reliable that way. I've seen some solutions out there, too, where people just really over-engineered something. When they start getting into Arduinos and spinning up your coding and all i'm like that's just too much that's overkill that's overthinking it in a way all right so uh this is really funny uh this is in jennifer's story here wheeland explained to me that he engineered a device that can speak directly to chamberlain's security plus 2.0 openers this is the rat gdo

he also clued me in on the unique name it stands for rage against the garage door opener i think that's going to be the show title mystery solved there you go that's the show title that is brilliant all right well uh now that i know what it stands for it's a it's a fine name raising it's the garage door opener there we go there we go all right uh let's move on here we got a couple home tech headlines a couple of like business related things a couple streaming stories what do you say we get started let's do it all right first up we got to talk about some some court drama ava and josh ai filed their responses the lawsuit filed by snap av right before cd there

in the lawsuit that the they filed alleges that ava and josh i stole snap snap ones uh sorry i said snap av snap one snap av list that was thing. Patents and trade dress. And then Ava basically, Ava and Josh Ava basically filed what you call affirmative offenses and said, yeah, we did that. So what? And I think that's kind of an interesting turn in the way this is. Come at us. Yeah, come at us. Come at me, man.

DJ, you and I both kind of like read through this real fast, but it basically says, Ava said, yeah, we told you about this and you knew we were making it and it doesn't, you know, we have, you gave us rights to all this stuff. And then what Josh AI said, you are our exclusive distributor, but we still have, you know, our other channels that we sell to like directly to our dealers. And I don't know, it seems kind of interesting, like the defenses that have come back on this. It's like they're basically point blank saying yeah, all this stuff you said in there is true except the parts where we, you know, stole stuff from you. Yeah, it's interesting to see the rebuttals to this and both

Ava and Josh AI have filed rebuttals against this as well and they've both requested that this go to a trial. So I don't, maybe my prediction of this might be over by the end of the year is a little off, um, because they're going to take this all the way. Um, basically both Josh and Ava, uh, said, you know, we did this stuff. There's nothing wrong with what we did. There wasn't anything

that said that we couldn't do it um and you're just going after us for for no good reason um so it makes sense why this was all sudden though because we saw a lot of this stuff start happening very slowly and then all of a sudden just pulled from snap one's website yep it's it's it's interesting bit of drama that's in our industry right now. I don't really see that. I mean, if you look at like the remote being a square thing that stands up in a stand, I guess they look the same. And I guess you could possibly get confused if you didn't know that like one company made one and not the other, but it's, it's still just a square piece of equipment like i don't know what you maybe you could make a a charger that lays down and doesn't stand up you know like maybe that's something i don't know it's just really strange like this whole thing so yeah and it's weird too because like i guess you know the the remotes they i mean they look similar but so does every other room yeah it looks like everything else you could honestly argue the

new ava remote looks even more similar to the neo remote so it's like well i mean you guys kind of blew your shot on that one you should have just waited a little bit and now you have this remote that actually does look the same yeah i thought it was funny that uh that josh a i was like um ava came to us with this remote and offered to put their name on it. Like, why are you guys accusing us of all this? It's a very kind of a funny. We'll put a link here to Strategy. I can't remember his name. Ted over there at Strategy.

He kind of went through this. He definitely writes with more color for industry stories than you'll get off of the trade rag, like CE Pro or Red Sea Systems or something like that. He's not out to make friends, I guess, but he always has fun things to read, and he goes through this in pretty good detail, I think. Yeah, crazy that the original complaint is 73 pages of allegations.

Yeah, they went all out. It sounds like they just threw everything at the wall and they're like hopefully some of this sticks yeah yeah well i mean i guess with them filing the affirmative defenses too it kind of like knocks the wind out of out of the sails on that like it i think from what i remember that means that you'll be able to like, it kind of like kills getting any money back if, if they win or they, if let's say Joshua Ava lose or something like that, then there's not really,

from what I remember, there's not really any way or it kind of lowers the damages or something like that. Cause they, they had these different, this affirmative defense, I don't know, court things,

basically what's going to happen next. If you're wondering what's going to happen next, is the fun part of discovery where both these companies go at each other and say, hey, give me all the emails or all the documents regarding this whole thing, all the communications that you had that may have mentioned this thing. And each of the lawyers will go through those and then come up with questions to ask in depositions against the executives. So maybe after all that, I don't know. I'm still hoping that this kind of gets resolved mutually, like everybody backs down because it doesn't make any sense. It still doesn't make any sense to me. This whole lawsuit doesn't make any

sense. Like people are lining up behind control for people are lining up behind josh and ava and it's like why you're like you're both trying to do the same thing you're both trying to make a remote and turn on and off tvs like yeah it's just over the silliest of thing too it's a remote who cares we just want a remote the majority of people don't even care about remotes anymore yeah exactly it's a dying industry i mean i don't say it is the dying industry because most people are using apple tv remotes or their fire stick tv remotes they're not using these remotes these fancy remotes anymore and i get it like you're going after like a smaller market you got to defend it and whatever but like i don't know this this whole thing seems silly from the beginning yeah and i just don't and i'm

not like a control four dealer but i guess i just don't see why you would choose the Ava remote over like the Neo remote, for example, maybe other than like availability or something. But like as a dealer, why wouldn't you choose the one that's obviously more integrated with your product? Like the Ava remote, you can download the control for app and stuff like that. But it's not like I don't know. It's not native remote, right? Right. It's definitely not the same better performance out of like a control for neo remote exactly exactly like it would be it would be like like using you can use their touchscreens like they're they have these horrible touchscreens

and i will say they're horrible because they're really old they need to update they're all it's awful yeah everybody's control systems touchscreens are pretty horrible uh unless you're paying like what 10 grand or something for one they're just i don't know why you'd pay that much but ipads are so much better like but the problem is the ipad's not native and you can't you can't like walk up to it and wake up and stuff like no no it doesn't have all these little extra sensor doodads and it doesn't have like you do have the ability to boot the ipad directly into an app and put it in like this captive portal mode thing but it never works right like it's just such a pain and then apple's doing their updates and everything and directly into an app and put it in like this captive portal mode thing but it never works right like it's just such a pain and then apple's doing their updates and everything and it can

knock it off the network and then it's just it's just a pain like the the better thing to do is to have the native touchscreen it's the lower maintenance less and you if you need to update it if you need to update it you just press a button it updates so like if the choice is between an ipad and a control for touchscreen, most of the time people do the control for touchscreen. Like you said, it's native. It works better.

It's designed to be that little thing in the ecosystem. So yeah, I don't know. I, again, I think this is just a weird flex muscle flex. Yeah, exactly.

Hopefully it just kind of nice way to say of what I want to say. Actually, hopefully it just kind of goes way to say of what i want to say actually hopefully it just kind of goes away like they settle they agree to disagree i'm hoping for it's not good for anybody nope not at all it's not good to look for snap av or snap one in my opinion up one yeah it's because it just it makes me i don't know it makes me feel gross being a snap-on dealer. Are you a Snap-on dealer? Well, I am, unfortunately. You're not a Control 4 dealer. Okay, yeah.

Alright, second bit of pro-industry news here. Resi Systems has launched their annual State of the Industry Report, which is they've aggregated some data from proposal systems like Portal and DTools. And they've got a distributor's perspective in here too. I think it was ADI. Yeah,

ADI Global to kind of show that the residential tech industry continues to grow. There we go. Dealer sales from January through August 2023 were higher compared to the same period in 2022 with an average close one proposal value increase of 4.29%. Top selling categories, speakers, like by a wide margin, lighting control, networking, and signal distribution. I guess that's video and audio distribution. Shades and lighting fixtures are experiencing the most growth with increasing sales and profit margin. And the report also highlights the trend of integrators, uh, expanding into adjacent categories search such as, you know, smaller commercial solutions. Uh, I've, I've seen, there was another story in C pro about, uh, one of the bigger dealers in Miami expanding into like landscape lighting, which, which makes sense.

I don't, this is pretty cool. I guess, I mean, all I've heard from a lot of people in the industry is like worrying like landscape lighting which which makes sense i don't this is pretty cool i guess i mean all i've heard from a lot of people in the industry is like worrying about this recession and like there's been no recession everybody's everybody i've talked to has been like yeah we're three weeks out so i really don't know when this recession's happening when are we gonna get break tj when are you gonna get a break never i'm gonna die like this set uh it's weird how many how many speakers are being sold don't tell my kef uh rep though because he's not gonna be happy with me if he sees this data um but i have not i've not sold that many speakers

this year i don't know what it is but maybe maybe i'm just not talking to the right people that buy speakers yeah i mean there's a little graph in here that is hilarious to look at it's so much more than everything else like tvs is the next highest thing and it's like what two billion two million dollars less or something was that a billion or billion yeah two million if you think about it you know for every tv you sell you probably sell another seven speakers with it too right possibly i guess yeah and like what is this let's see this is like the only thing i think it was like the really big houses that have like 20 rooms of audio or something.

Because, well, yeah, you're going to sell a lot more speakers then. Networking and control is basically half of speaker sales for the year, it looks like. And those are pretty much flat. I mean, speakers are like going gangbusters right now, evidently, in August. All right. I have a serious question, though. Why do they use the same colors for some of these? I know they're not technically the same colors.

It's close enough, and I can't tell. Lighting and projectors and screen is yellow. Which one is which? They could have used a different graph style for sure. They could have done a stacked bar graph. Whatever. Lighting is shooting up,

you know, right there there it's all because of seth's software though oh yeah sure sure yeah i mean that's right about july august i mean i was cd they're like oh we can finally sell this stuff it makes sense yeah good job seth yeah i ever do what i can do what i can to help everybody out so networking is so low i figured i feel like networking would be so high but i mean yeah i feel like it should be much higher i guess not though because you probably have way more speakers than you have networking like you put like 20 speakers in a house but you're not gonna put 20 access points right this is what gavin was saying you install well see like some of these

speakers do it costs as much as the tv so like yeah that's true maybe that's how they're getting those numbers it's like oh especially if you're a friend james over there in the uk that guy's selling like million dollar speakers yep yep all right well let's move on here let's talk about some diy stuff that's actually pretty cool uh besides selling speakers um so much cooler this is actually cool. Uh, Google has introduced or is introducing its new generative AI updates into Google home and nest to help make creating smart home automations easier. There we go. Uh, the new feature called help me script allows users to request a personalized smart home automation prompts using natural language. Um, this is kind of cool. Google announced this a little while back and then I guess it's kind of rolling out right now and people are, people are able to use it.

But Gavin, you and I were talking about this before the show, like Google announced this little scripting thing and it's basically YAML. Yay. So everybody was super excited about that. Yeah. And yeah. So what they've done instead of you having to write all this YAML is they've given you a little Chad GPT over there. You can tell Chad, Hey,

Hey Chad, write me a script to turn off my lights when the sun sets and Chad will read what you said. And then he will write the, Gavin, this is what home assistant needs. I mean, they should just build this in.

They, they have all the, like all the data. I think that they could, they could do this with, I think that, I think that if you put Chad GPT inside a Home Assistant and made him write YAML all day, one, I think he'd go insane. And that would probably be what triggers the end of the world with the robot takeover. But yeah, I think

that'd be a brilliant feature. But this is really cool. I really like it. I've used Chad GPT to do that, though. When I had to write, I had to write some automations. And I would tell it, write me an automation that does this. And it would spit out the YAML. And I just copy and paste it over. So, you know, it's nothing new. They're probably using their own AI stuff.

It's probably a little better than what Google's doing. But you could do that today with ChatGPT if you're looking for something. My only gripe was chat is a little behind because isn't it like two years out or something like that or like so it doesn't use some of the new commands and stuff that you know home assistant introduced and you know it's changing like almost monthly right the free chat is but i think the newer one is up to date like they they they have a new chad the chad version 4 or whatever it is um yeah that's the subscription chat yeah you gotta pay like 20 bucks a month or something for that yeah i need a friend that has a subscription yeah yeah i i've been using him more at work to do some mundane things actually i did use him to

program a lambda because i didn't feel like writing it and he got it wrong a bunch of times and it didn't work and i just kept giving i just copying and pasting the errors that were coming out of the javascript console yeah and he's like oh i'm sorry i misunderstood and then finally he got it right and i just uploaded it and now i know it works i i've used it to get me started with code. So usually what spits out doesn't work, but it points me in the right direction as to what I need to do. And from there, I fix it and do what I have to do. I mean, at the same time, that's not good

because I'm not going back and telling it that it's wrong. So we're not really teaching it. You know, it thought it was right anyway. You know, sometimes you gotta go back and say, bad, bad child. you know, it thought it was right anyway, you know, sometimes you gotta go back and say, bad, bad child. Well, in my case, I think I told it to do something wrong from the beginning. I told it to use a specific library that I was familiar with. I was like, use this package. And it did, or tried a bunch of times to do it and it never worked. And I was like, okay, I said, go back to step one and let's try this again and it went

back to step one and printed out a blank thing and said oh you can use the library you mentioned or this other one i said we'll write it with the other one and it wrote it perfectly and it worked so go figure i should have just let it do its thing you know i should have insisted that they used this this one i was familiar with um but yeah all that work for 34 lines of code i could have probably typed myself but decided not to nah it's not as fun it was definitely a lot of fun do you find yourself writing a lot of code for home assistant gavin because i don't really need to touch many things other than like enabling certain things. I do it because I do some things that are not native to the system. Like I've wrote my own integration for my Fox cam cameras, you know, stuff like that.

Right. So Home Assistant is very powerful, but like there's certain things I want to take it a little further. And that's what I've written my own code not you don't have to though what what this google thing reminds me of this google script thing it reminds me of the shortcuts app that's in ios that is just a completely non-intuitive way to program things but people really like it for some reason i love it and i i i just can't stand using it i I do use it to like gather. I use it actually to gather our show notes up. Like if I see a story, I have a little script

that will gather it and create the link for it and do all sorts of fun stuff. But like, I don't like using it. Like I don't like actually programming in it because I just want to get to the code. Right. But it's, it's just not doing that. Like, if you look at the example here, the Google one is giving you the hot, like what, what their scripting is, is like a high level buttons thing, just like the shortcuts is like it's high level. Like this is what happens here. This is in this routine. Here's the action that tips it off. And then here's all the actions that happen after that. And what they're doing here is they're backing that up with YAML, which makes sense, I guess.

And then you just type in what you want. It generates the YAML and you customize it, bring it over into your house. That's, that's actually really cool. And then what I, what I wish, like what I wish is like Apple could actually build that in. I mean, I know Siri's too dumb to do this. Like they'd have to build ChatGPD into the Shortcuts app, and it would make it a lot better, right? It would. It would. If you could just tell the Shortcuts app to do something like this and have it knock out a routine for you, that'd be great. It's exactly what this looks like. I've tried to use the Shortcuts app a couple times. It just seems overly complicated every time

I go to touch it. Yeah. Why is this like this? Yeah. It's very annoying to me, but I mean, when you don't have any other options, it's the greatest thing ever too, right? It does. It's pretty powerful. And it has a lot of hooks into the HomeKit ecosystem that don't exist in HomeKit.

And you can access like outside services from it or outside variables or things that integrate with the shortcuts app that don't integrate in HomeKit and you can access like outside services from it or outside variables or things that integrate with the shortcuts app that don't integrate with HomeKit can be brought in that way. So, I think it's powerful. It's just, it's so dumbed down, I guess is how I should say it. Like it really is. It's very basic. Like you get these little blocks and you have to understand the messages that are passing in between, but there's no documentation on any of that. Like it doesn't tell you what it's doing. And that's the worst part.

And then, I don't know, you just kind of have to like poke and prod and figure it out over time. And then it'll mess up and delete something and you'll have to start over, which I love too. It's very reliable. Anyway, Google has done something really cool

and I'm proud of them and everybody should everybody should do this it'd be great it'll be dead in six months yeah everybody should do this because everybody's not gonna work anymore in like six months yeah they'll be done like oh that costs too much to do all right well speaking of things that cost too much um disney has announced its plans to take full control of the streaming service Hulu, acquiring Comcast stakes of the platform. This move gives Disney complete ownership of Hulu and allows them to further expand their

dominance in the streaming market. And then, from what I understand here, Disney will start testing a new combined Disney Plus and Hulu app next month. So that is on the horizon. You're going to get those Hulu shows right up into the disney app it's probably gonna cost more too let's let's just say it's gonna cost more i'd like to feel

good in knowing that you know the increase in my subscription fees help pay for this too you know i i'm part of the team so it's basically like you're a small owner of disney you know yeah very very very small owner yeah it's kind of interesting it's always been weird that they've only owned a small percentage of hulu so it only makes sense that they actually complete this and they just own the whole thing but i imagine they're gonna have to sell some stuff off eventually be interesting to see what they sell off oh it's interesting too like there's a lot of technology by hulu and a lot of technology behind disney's interesting too. Like there's a lot of technology by Hulu and a lot of technology behind Disney Plus

that's probably duplicated a lot of people. So there'll probably be layoffs in the future there, but probably a year or so down the road, maybe two to get the technology integrated together. But again, it's just like CDNs and streaming apps. Like, I don't know. It's probably not hard for them to add. Well, we know it's not hard for them

to add product into their apps, right? They can add whatever they want. They just got to put the data in there. So it's really, really strange. We're kind of coming back to having just a couple of cable channels. I mean, streaming apps. What a shock. What a shock.

Exactly. Nobody saw this coming. Money. What are we going to do? Can't live without it. All right. Warner Brothers. Another streaming news. Actually, this isn't streaming without it. All right. Warner Brothers, another streaming news. Actually, this isn't streaming news.

This is over-the-air news. Here we go. Warner Brothers, Discovery, Lionsgate, and Gray Television are partnering with Free TV Networks to launch two new free streaming and over-the-air TV networks. The first is called The 365 and will feature African-American programming and westerns. Odd combo, but there you go. And we'll launch new year's day. The second network called outlaw will cater to male viewers with a large

collection of movies. And the channels will be available free over the air and eventually made available through streaming online, but they haven't given any details on who the partners like, it's probably going to be Pluto. Let's just throw that out there. They're, they're going to pick it up.

They haven't announced who they're those, those streaming partners are going to be Pluto let's just throw that out there they're going to pick it up they haven't announced who their those streaming partners are going to be so two new channels coming to you I thought this was an interesting story because they mentioned they're going to be broadcasting over the air they're going to have these new two like channels over the air that's actually pretty cool like you can still get good HDTV and movie stuff

with an antenna I'll be and movie stuff with that antenna. I'll be able to finally put that antenna I installed to use. Maybe I'll check out the Tableau or something with it, though. Right now I'm using the HD Home Run, so it's a little bit not the best interface and everything. So it'd be kind of cool to watch this over there. Hopefully they bounce some of these signals off Lake Ontario so we can get them over here across the border, border too i'll just get one of those giant antennas and send it right over to you gavin all right cool all right well each week we have to find somebody that matters and this week we're going to give it to switchbot switchbot matters because their first one they're the first one to

say they matter i guess here because they're announcing that the SwitchBot S10, the cool little robot vacuum that has the exterior tank that hooks up to your water line and everything that's not going to be out for another year, is going to join the Matter family. So, whenever

this thing comes out, and then whenever Apple Home starts supporting Matter 1.2, you can get SwitchBot S10 to have it on Matter and set up on Matter using the Hub 2, I guess. Yes. But you'll still have to use their Hub. I think this is actually kind of smart how SwitchBot does this where their devices use Bluetooth and they have the little hub to actually control stuff because then they can just add matter to anything it's like well it works with our matter hub so bam there you go matter that's how anyone with a hub pretty much is going to integrate their devices into matter like show me could have uh other devices on their hub and then add matter

to their hub and expose it to everything else too it it's it's a little cheat way but it works and you know switchbot is the first to say that they will have a matter capable robot vac but i wonder if they're going to be the first to bring that to actual market what happens if another company comes in swoops in and they're the first to market you know who gets the first title according to some readers that like they switchbot can't even claim like the the built-in water disposal and stuff because other companies supposedly have it i guess it was like roborock had one uh but it was like an add-on kit and then somebody else was saying dream tech had one as well but i didn't see it on their website may have been available in this market or something.

Here's an interesting thing on this Kickstarter page for the S10, because again, it is not out yet and you'll have to pack it for, what, $8.99 to get one of these things. $1,000 for this robot vacuum that's not going to be out for a while. They have a humidifier and dehumidifier. So you can actually add water to your humidifier via your vacuum. It'll just go fill it up over there. Or if you have the dehumidifier hooked up here in Florida, it'll go over there and take the water out of the dehumidifier and clean your floors with it. Ah, that's smart.

You can have just a little ecosystem living in your house. Just doing its own thing? Exactly. That's brilliant. I was going to say, that is actually really smart. Too good. I thought the little hook up to your water line thing was smart. No. Dehumidifier here in Florida.

That would make a lot of water for you. You just use that to clean the floor. You just need the self-emptying thing. Then you don't have to worry about filling it. It comes with that right like it hooks up to the little water station and then drains it back into it does self-draining so it'll in all seriousness like this is the first one i'm like i don't know this is pretty cool i get this one especially if they start adding things on like this that's kind of i mean honestly

this one is really cool to me just because you don't have to worry i've always wanted the the mopping robot vacuum thing but the auto like i don't know it would just be cool if it just auto emptied and auto filled itself so i didn't like pretty much never had to worry about it i just wish it didn't have like the separate docking station thing but i guess that makes sense yeah yeah and i really wish they had like a central vac add-on so it would automatically empty uh you know everything in fact vacuums up too god they would everybody would bring uh bring out uh central vac systems again if they did that oh yeah because like they don't really do them in new houses around here anymore but they would 100 start installing them again do they seem to do them like all the time here

hide a hose was a big thing for a while yeah they're not really that popular here florida though we did a lot of them yep all right well um all the links and topics we discussed tonight can be found on our over at hometech.fm slash 459 all right uh nothing in the mailbag this week but we do have a pick of the week and this kind of goes back against our rage against the garage door opener. TJ, you found a vintage garage door opener. And this thing is vintage. Like this thing is, it looks ancient.

It's a Sears garage door opener. And it works perfectly fine without my cue. You don't have to have any RAT GDOs. You don't have to have any, I don't know, CHAD GPTs to open your garage door. No. You just use this guy, simple relay, call it a day. Yep.

What everybody wants. And Sears, you know? I mean, it's probably still working. It's a quality brand. The only reason this person listed it is because they didn't have the little eyes anymore, the little safety eyes to make sure it didn't shut on you. You don't need those.

But I mean, just go without it. You don't need safety. What, if you have kids or something? No, come on, just put it in. Yeah, if you're installing this in your house, you don't care about safety. It's only a third horsepower motor. It's not going to crush anything.

This looks like it's from like the 80s, right? I mean, it's brushed wood grain. I don't think how... Yeah, it's like brown and orange and yellow. Those are those colors. Yeah, 70s. Yeah are those colors yeah 70s yeah look at the controller says digital control guys i mean you might not even need a relay for this it probably just has a built-in yeah it comes with the relays wow just has a dial-up connection though so and that and that that orange light thing there if you if you take that i think i've seen this online if you like soak that in like

peroxide and put it under ultraviolet light for a day, it'll be crystal clear. It'll clear that right out. So, I think this is a winner. I think you could get this. You could restore it. Look nice. Well, Seth, it is on your way because I purchased it and I'm sending it to you. Oh, boy. Put it on your shelf. I have one of the ancient garage door openers too. And it's an overhead door legacy. And I'll put a picture of mine in the show notes too. I don't really use it anymore because I don't open the garage door anymore.

Thank you, overhead door company since 1921, I think it said. 1921? I don't know. It's hard to read. It's got stickers all over it. I should probably paint it. Paint it wood green. Make it look nice like this one. There you go. You got some nice decals on Amazon. Yeah, I just put some vinyl stickers on it. And I'd like to wrap my garage door over here, please. That might be a project I can actually finish my wife's gonna be like wait a

minute you did that instead of this other thing yeah and you got this one done what the heck exactly all right let's move on here before i get in trouble if you have any feedback questions comments pics of the week or great ideas for show give us a shout email address is feedback at hometech.fm or you can visit hometech.fm slash feedback and fill out the online form. All right, project updates, project updates. I know TJ, we definitely have to follow up with you about your excursions into finding something other than Blue Iris. I am still looking for not Blue Iris options. I haven't had a lot of editing to do last week, so I wasn't able to use any extra time I may have had to, uh, to look for anything else. So I'll try and find something. And then, um, I also spent some time,

uh, doing some Christmas light stuff. And, uh, I think, I think I'm gonna, I've got, I've got like the pixel LEDs, uh, that I'm going to put up again this year. But I don't know, like those things, there's not much you can do with those. I don't know. You can go crazy with like one of the big controllers that does all the X-Lite sequencing and that kind of thing. And I've done that. I just don't know if I want to do that. But when I was looking online, there's all these like little,

like there's all these people doing like projection mapping. So I'm thinking instead of Christmas lights, hold, stay with me guys. Stay with me. Instead of Christmas lights, I'm going to stick just a dang projector out there and project Christmas lights onto my house. And then I can just pretend that I did all the work, but I just, all I had to do was draw stuff on a projector. In fact, I was reading somebody, I was watching somebody who was like, I just paid this guy on fiverr and they just did all this stuff in uh adobe after effects i'm like yeah i this would be easier and cost way less than me going out and spending money on pixel lights i think it's so nice that you live

in an area where you can leave a projector out in the front and it will still be there the next day you put in a box and now i get like ruined by weather either right i mean yeah that's the first thing i thought of not even like the theft or anything but just the weather oh no mine will be gone before the the dark hits because they don't want to come back in the dark they'll take it during the day so i found i found a couple of companies um i've been looking around and there's a couple of companies that do like like a turnkey solution so we're gonna you guys are worried about. So they can make the lock boxes. They make the little lock box things with the, you put whatever projector they can sell your projector in there too. And this is a Luxedo. They have like a little thing. They have an online software. It's like turnkey. It starts at $26.99,

which is expensive. I'm not going to do that. I'm going to do it in my own box. I'll lock my own projector up. I can do that. Oh, wait, $26.99. Anti-theft is $300 more. So you need that, Gavin. You're going to be, you're going to cost more. And then I don't, they have other options too. You can basically buy their, cast the box that will project the stuff up there for a thousand dollars. It looks like, which has the software and everything. I don't know. I'm going to give this a shot. When is, I got to run my projector outside and see if my projector is even bright enough to do this if it is i think i'm gonna do it though because it's it

looks looks fun and just project the lights up you don't have to decorate anywhere you just project the lights up you're fancy seth i would think about hanging like christmas lights for like five years in a row before i would consider buying this no i would do this you just put you put the projector outside and it just sits there and it it projects because you don't have to go hang them you don't have to take them down but it's so much but it's so much seth but i already have the projector i think it's already there i don't think i need a two seven three thousand dollar system i'm not saying i'm gonna do that definitely need this three thousand dollar 1080p i've already been on alibaba looking for projector enclosures so i'm sure i can find something less from china anyway that's my that's my that may be a project i don't know we'll see what happens all right

let us know when you don't do it so how how goes the uh blue eye research we gotta talk about that well i finally i finally bought it shame shame i was like this is disgusting but now i returned the synology unit i was like i i just can't justify paying the 600 for it when it's limited like that and so i i got a luckily i had my old plex server and i wasn't doing anything with it because i just don't care about plex anymore and so i repurposed it to a blue iris server so i didn't buy anything minus a pc case which was kind of nice so i had a i had a rack mount computer case but i didn't want to keep that around because it's bulky ginormous yeah um but it's it's been working

all right i literally just got it set up like today and i got my cameras added and that's pretty much it so far so i'll have to schedule a consultation with mr gavin here to set it up for me because i'm not gonna do it he's gonna make it sing yeah he's he's always good at that uh and then my uh quest for electricity has continued. I've formulated a game plan, running a new breaker for the den so I can run my space heater. I don't remember if we talked about this. No, I think we missed that. Everybody was talking about your space heater. I'm like, TJ probably has an update about your space heater.

Yeah, I forgot about that. All right, so the Govee space heater is great. The app works fantastically. It doesn't integrate with Home Assistant, which is whatever. I don't really care. I need it to schedule to turn on and off, and I'm fine with that. But the problem is that my old janky house is wired pretty much to all one breaker. And so, for example, my laundry room lights, my kitchen lights, my living room lights and TVs, or like outlets, I guess, and my den are all on the same breaker.

And so, like, that's fine because it's like, you know, most of the time, like, I'm pulling like two or three amps. I have the little Emporia View 2 thing installed. And so, I can actually tell how much power I'm using. And most of the time, it's like three amps like 3 amps so you know not that big of a deal LED lights these days probably not a big deal yeah and I'm using all LEDs at this point you know even the fans have LED lights in them so it's whatever

I think like even if I have like all my computers on it it maybe tops out like 4 amps you know it's not an LED light? I don't know if you know this seth or gavin but um space heaters use a lot of power and so a 1500 watt uh space heater which is what this govi one is uses 12 and a half amps of power and uh it's weird though because it's usually after like several like a couple hours or like an hour or so

um it'll it'll kill the breaker um but you you can see it on emporia where it actually jumps up and so it'll be like you know two or three amps everything's fine space heater turns on it goes up to like 18 amps and then it's just like oh that's fine it's fine i'm supposed to do that can't you automate things to turn off whenever that space heater turns on i could but you don't need the fridge during that time breaker works yeah i could but i would need to turn off all the fun stuff so i'd have to like turn off the tv and like the computers and stuff like that fun or heat what do you mean yeah i know but so what i'm going to do now is I've got some free space on the break on the, the, uh, electrical panel.

And so I'm just going to run a dedicated outlet for the den. Um, and then whenever we redo the den, I'll just rewire the whole thing, but I want to install a mini split anyway. Um, and the mini split would be nice because then I'd get heating and cooling. Um, so I'm just going to go ahead and run the power for like everything i'm going to run a dedicated outlet for a dedicated breaker for the den and then i'll have a dedicated breaker for the mini split whenever i add that um yeah they don't everything will be fine take take very much i think what does anybody was 120 mini split 120 30 amp or something like that it wasn't much like a mini split yeah

well it depends on which one you use so like the room is very small i think it's like 200 square feet so i need like a 9 000 btu mini split um and so like for that you can actually just run off a regular like a 15 amp outlet or a 15 amp breaker okay yeah i think i which is crazy you'd like to think about but new wire for mine i mean it's it's cool in the garage here too it does well but it was it's still 110 it doesn't it's not like a 220 pool and like it was it was easy just had to add like a 20 or 30 amp breaker in yeah yeah and that's what i'll do um but i also have you know because it's an old house and the electric's kind of weird i have a 40 amp uh breaker in my electrical panel that i've turned

off like four days ago and i don't know what it does so i'm hoping it does not take a lot of space i was wondering if i like turned off my neighbor's power or something like you know some agreement they had like 40 years ago just like uh but i don't know what it goes to so i might have an extra two uh two two breaker slots available. Usually they have that for like a dryer, stove, not sump pump, but a pool pump or hot tub if there was one at any point. Well, I'll let you know if a hot tub appears all of a sudden. You have a line for it. But no, the furnace still works.

Our water heater is actually gas powered. So I don't have to worry about that. I don't know what it goes to. So and when I have it on, it doesn't it takes it draws some power, but it's not very much power. So you have to get one of those. I don't have mine sitting here like one of those wire toner things that hooks up and you can tone the wire from the breaker. I haven't seen that for that. Well have i have one for the outlet just take the break so if you have like an actual outlet you just plug this thing in and then like it'll either

trip the breaker or it's like a sniffer yeah um but i don't have anything that does that in reverse i suppose you could just take the breaker off and as long as there's no power on it still which there could be because you never know uh then you can just uh tone the wires that way i guess i don't know where they go yeah but yeah i don't know what it does find out but yeah that's why that's my plan for the the den and we've had a couple nice days here so i'm hoping to knock the electric out nice shouldn't be too bad what about you gavin what have you been doing uh not much this week but uh you know sometimes in the smart home there's uh I call these like hidden costs or extra costs. So I bought some curtain blind controllers, right?

So, you know, I got the show me ones and I wanted to get my guest bedroom curtains automated too now, the last set I had. So then I found out, you know, the rod on there was not thick enough. So I had to go out and buy. Oh, you need a thick rod. I had to go then I found out, you know, the rod on there was not thick enough. So I had to go out and buy. Oh, you need a thick rod. I had to go buy a new rod. So I went and bought a new rod and I put the rod in and then I found out the curtains that were there were not compatible and the rod was too big for those curtains. So I had to buy new curtains.

That's always a problem. Your rods get big. So my simple cheap project turned into a much larger project. It took about two days before the wife realized i changed the curtains in that room yeah but she did compliment me she said nice color and you know good choice but she doesn't know why um and i just said no i just felt like a change you know so uh that's one thing i got done um the second thing um, so I've mentioned this before in the show, the everything presence one sensors. So, um, Lewis at everything smart home, he created his own sensors and, um, was selling it. And he has the everything presence one and the everything presence light, which is a light, uh, slimmed down version of it. And I picked one of them up,

uh, one of each of them up and I've been playing with them this week and what they are they're um motion sensors so everything present one has a pir sensor but also has a millimeter wave sensor in it and the light is just strictly millimeter wave but it also has some other sensors in there too like temperature and humidity and stuff like that so i wanted to see what all the hype was because everybody was talking so highly of this so So I decided to jump in, grab a couple. First thing I did, the pros first, they're very fast. So because of the PIR sensor, I found that they pick up really fast. As soon as you walk in a room, it picks you up. However, when it comes to the millimeter wave, I'm having a hard time keeping that thing

working. Like, I guess I want it in my bedroom. So, you know, we know if we're laying in bed, if someone's in the bedroom and stuff like that. But it just keeps, you know, drop, like not detecting someone, then detecting someone, flipping back and forth. So I still got a lot of tweaking. I'm trying to figure out how I can get that. Maybe positioning, something like that. But integration with Home Assistant, really easy.

It's just ESP Home. You installed it. It showed up really easy. I'm using Beta firmware, which has a lot more features in it. It's been pretty reliable with that, too. So, you know, I'd still want to give it some time, but they're, they're pretty good. You know, for a general, somebody's walking through the room as a motion sensor type thing. I like them for, you know, uh, they're not as easy to set up, I guess. So I'm comparing them

to the FP twos, right? And the thing with the FP twos is you have a nice little app. The app has a nice little interface where you could draw your room. You could see yourself walking around that room. You can create your zones and stuff like that. It makes it so much easier. This is a little bit harder because you got to like create your zones by specifying how many millimeters away it is. And yeah, I said millimeters and that really threw me off when it was saying, it's the weirdest thing because we use millimeters, centimeters, and meters over here, but I'm so used to talking in inches and feet. So when it was like, oh, how many millimeters is it you need to detect? I had no clue. I could say the room's 10 feet, but I don't know how much millimeters that is.

And when I started, I was like guessing. I was like 4,000 maybe. I don't know. Right? millimeters that is and when i started i was like guessing i was like 4 000 maybe i don't know right like the numbers start to grow up but i i guess you know i had to do a lot of conversion with that but um the fp2 was just so much easier to set up and use and it's been so reliable that i kind of prefer it between the two but this it feels like a little do-it-yourself project um something you can create yourself he gives you a breakdown of all the parts he used in it and everything um he has the software out there the esp home software so if you really wanted to make one yourself you can even replace

the millimeter wave sensor if you wanted to um it's cool but for the price i'd probably go back with the fp2 can put one one on that handles feet instead of millimeters. Yeah, or just adjust it too. But some of the cool things I've seen, because this is based off ESP32, they have open, what do they call it? Open pins, I guess, on the board still that they can add other stuff. So I've seen he showed a video where he added a microphone and then used the microphone for Home Assistant, right?

So he added on a microphone to it. I think the community said, hey, that's actually really cool. You should sell that. So that's kind of interesting. It was cool to see. He basically says with the extra pins on here, you could add other stuff if you really wanted to customize it um i did see a message on what was formerly

known as twitter somebody was showing that it had matter support i guess they're working on matter support so they're able to add it to like home kit and stuff through matter uh so that's a future thing i think they're probably working on that that will add a lot of value to this as well so you know keep an eye on this it's i right i could recommend it i still at this point prefer the fp2 but these are really good for uh as well looks it looks like a lot of fun i mean it's got everything you need on it, I guess. Yeah, pretty much. Yeah. There's a lot on here. So that is pretty good.

It could track up to three people in a room, I believe. So that was something recently added to the beta for the Everything Presence 1. The Everything Presence Lite, it's a different millimeter, but the standard firmware can track multiple people in a room. So it's pretty cool. You got to spend a lot more time tweaking it for your room. Right. Well, it's a little more. I mean, it's definitely more bare bones than what you get from the Aquaro one.

That one is nice. This one is a circuit board with the PIR. Yeah. I had to assemble it and everything. The Everything Presence one, I ordered it without the case. So I 3D printed my own case. He has the print files out there on printables where you can just download them and print them. And if you want to make a custom case, you can adjust it so you can have your own type of stand or whatever you want right so it is a fun little project oh the little the little cases look nice

though that he has here they're like uh they look actually look pretty good they look similar to the aquaroa one where it's got the usb thing on it that you're you're gonna see everywhere but it it has like a little stand and looks it's instead of round. It's a square. So that's nice. Yep. I printed my case in black. So it blended in more where I was putting it, you know, so you have options.

It's it's nice that you have options. Oh, yeah, I can. Oh, I guess there was a kit with the case. It sold out, but you can buy the case and a kit separately. That's weird. But you got nine dollars for that and i think it was like what 70 something for the other yeah 76 for the presence one okay that's that's cool it came from the uk it took about three weeks to get here i think more

esp 32 development boards being sold yep got the rad gdo you got the uh everything presence one kit well that's cool man i i might order one of these because i uh i really like the millimeter wave thing i'm weird i'm weary about the setup process you just described though because i don't i don't want to deal with millimeters maybe maybe i don't know if it says millimeters because of my home assistant is in what is that imperial yeah and maybe it's just set to millimeters whereas if you set it up it will use whatever because of my home assistant is in, what is that, Imperial? Mm-hmm. Yeah. And maybe it's just set to millimeters, whereas if you set it up, it will use whatever your local,

whatever you have configured in Home Assistant. Oh. So it might change it to inches at that point. Interesting. Okay. Order it anyway. Yeah, I'm going to order it. I mean, it's not, I mean, that's pretty cool.

These things are really cool. I really like the millimeter wave radar stuff. It really does work well. And for presence detection, having the PIR on there too, it's a little temp sensor for good luck. I mean, I,

it seems like a really a win-win of a product. I use millimeter wave here in my office. And with the PIR, the lights would always turn off on me because I would be sitting still or whatever. With the millimeter wave, it never is a problem anymore. It's The lights stay on when I'm in here. I do have an update on my millimeter wave thing. I forgot to mention. Remember I was saying like my wife was not happy with it because it

would basically cut off when you went, like you would walk out the door and it would just cut off instantly. And she's like, why is this doing this now? It's like, I just wanted you to like leave the timer on longer. So the lights wouldn't turn off like when you're, or the lights wouldn't turn off when you're like on the far side. And so I put the millimeter wave on the far side and that did a great job of detecting when you're in the room. Perfect. But what it doesn't, what it wasn Perfect. But what it wasn't doing really well

was like catching you as soon as you came in the far end of the room. Like it didn't do that. Or we just happened to have like an in-swing garage door that's made of metal that probably blocks it. And so like if that's open and we walk into the house, it doesn't catch you then either. So sometimes the lights didn't come on. But I still have the motion detector sitting up there and I just wasn't

using it. So here's what I did. This is the genius thing. No programming, no programming. Well, I did a little bit. I just said, when the motion detector is motion, turn the light on. Done. And then I left the programming in there that says when the millimeter wave thing says, uh, don't, you don't detect anything, turn the light off and it works great. There's been no complaints. Like even if we leave the door open, the motion detector catches you and the light may stay on a little bit longer. You close the door and you walk out of the room,

the light turns off. Genius. That's all I had to do. Two sensors instead of one. And basically that's the everything sensor. I should just get one of those because it has the PIR. It has a millimeter wave. It probably would have solved all my problems, but don't know maybe or maybe not depends on the room because

it's one device so you'd still have to stick it all the way at one end yeah it's just a long skinny room like it's a long skinny room that you walk into and there's a garage door like halfway down roughly um but where i have it mounted it blocks like if you open the garage door i halfway down roughly. Um, but where I have it mounted, it blocks, like if you open the garage door, I think it still treats it like maybe somebody's in the room. It doesn't really know what to do. So it just leaves the lights on and says somebody's still in there. And then if you close the garage door though, nobody's in there, it'll turn the lights off, which is all I really want. So it's working in my little hodgepodge programming here it's working great and i didn't have to do anything crazy you didn't have to add timers in or adjust anything no yaml no yaml yeah

exactly so motion sensor light on don't leave doesn't text anybody turn the light off so good job seth i'm proud of you it's got a five volt jumper on jumper thing. That looks like five volt. It says five volt only. I wonder if I can power it that way and then not use the USB-C to power it and then power it like hide the wire. If that's the case, I don't know. You can print your own case. You could power it however you want. You could print a case where the wire is in the case and comes out the back if you want.

Yes. Yes. That's what I want. You need to buy a 600 3d printer to solve a five dollar problem do it let's do it i know a guy we might as well just get a resin printer yeah yeah just go all in and then get a laser engraver so you can customize the front of it i know a guy too it's not the same you have to do it yourself you you should you i'm gonna order it from you and you can ship it to richard and he can laser engrave it and then i'll i'll

get it here yeah it works between you and having to set up blue iris servers you know i'm gonna be busy ah yeah well i'll be on the yard setting up a projector, I think. See how that goes. So my wife goes, no, no, you're absolutely not doing that. But I got all these pictures that are going to be up on the teeth of the house. I don't know. My house is like a long house and I have the projector. Everybody says we should have, like you're supposed to use a wide short throw projector. So I have that in the garage here.

We use it to watch movies sometimes. And like, I don't know, I just don't know if it's going to work because my house is wide and I, it may just, it may not project on the whole thing. I, uh, every, the people that are doing it have like these two-story homes where you can see much of the house and for where I would put the projector, I don't think you'd see much of the house so i don't know make sure i turn the sprinklers off though problems problems yeah see this is why i wouldn't do it i would know that i would get it destroyed so what happens if it rains are you is it going to be covered yeah i have a little cover i I've done this before. I've done like a little thing. I did some projection on like little heads and they sang for Halloween. They did a little

like Haunted Mansion song thing. Those little heads. Little bus that sing. But if you leave it out for months is the moisture going to hurt it? Yeah, I don't think. I'd probably like bring it in at the end of the night or something like that. Anyway, I think that's going

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showing off some... Oh yeah, those are some cool pictures. Yeah. And thenmy was asking about racks yeah um and that's the one thing i find about that home tech uh slack channel is a lot of valuable information people you know with experience building racks and you know i'm sure we shared some knowledge with them i missed that one i have to go back and look yeah oh it's a lot. It was really good.

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Just appreciate a five-star review on iTunes or positive rating in the podcast app of your choice. That's going to wrap up another week of Home Tech. Everyone have a great weekend and we will see you next week. Take care. Till next time. You know what I just forgot that we did not talk about? What? The death of Z-Wave.

Mitch Klein and everybody else getting laid off. Oh. Let's save that for next week. Add it to the notes from now. Oh, man. Here, I'll add a... Death to Z-Wave. The death of Z...

No, death to... We got rid of Mitch Klein. Down with him.