HomeTech.fm - Episode 570 - The Gift and the Curse

Episode Date: April 11, 2026

On this week's show: Google finally lets Workspace users into the Google Home party, Aqara keeps busy with new hubs, thermostats, and sensors, Samsung trims the price tag on its 2026 Frame TVs, Hisense adds a smaller CanvasTV that still wants to be art, LG shows off a mighty new MAGNIT Micro LED system, and Sony teases some serious RGB tech. There’s also a peek at the Home Assistant roadmap, project updates, and so much more!

This is the Home Tech Podcast for Friday, April 10th from Sarasota, Florida, and South Johnson. From Reynoldsburg, Ohio, I'm T.J. Huddleston. And from Pickering, Ontario, I'm Gavin Campbell. And welcome to the Home Tech Podcasts, Podcasts, all about home automation, home technology, and no news this week. Slow week. Yeah, and slow week. You know, there's still astronauts in space. They're doing something up there. Yeah, they'll be probably already on Earth by the time you publish this. No, that's not true. Maybe.

No, they will be. You know what the bad part is, is that I had last week's show all edited, but like Saturday, I just kept forgetting to post it. It was a busy weekend, so. And then, and then a busy week, too. Like, today was a horrible day. Like, just everything that would go wrong, did go wrong, and it was just one of those days. So you love those days?

They're the best. Yeah, absolutely. Glad to be sitting down and chatting about things that are happening. Oh, wait, nothing's happening in the technology era either. So what are we doing? It's some TVs that came out this week. That's about it. Some Ocarra stuff, some TVs.

There's always something to talk about. You know, I'm sad because the state of the open home happened, but I can't really speak about it yet in terms of like, you know, what did they really talk about? Seth doesn't give us time to do this stuff. I thought it was public information. Is it not public information? This is all secret?

It's secret probably. No, no, it's not that I can't talk about it because it's public or private. It's just I haven't made my notes yet. We haven't had time to do that stuff. Gosh. It's going to be old news next week, though. I know, but it was a two and a half hour event, and I had work meetings at the same time. What do they think?

Just knowing people these open source guys are just sitting around doing nothing all day except for Gavin. Gavin's like, oh, I don't know. I got a job to do. Come on, guys. I was messaging one of my buddies. I was like, the state of open homes going on right now at work. He's like, yeah, this sucks. Why did they schedule media at that time?

Because he wanted to watch it, too, right? At least two of us are upset. Yeah. All right, well, not much in the way of news this week, but we do have a couple of home tech airline, so what do you say we jump in? Let's do it. All right, I know at least two people are excited about this.

Well, one person's probably excited about this, and the other person doesn't use Google Home or has no intention to use Google Home. But Google has finally updated Google Home app to support Google Workspace accounts, addressing a long-standing request from Richards, like, I mean users who rely on paid workspace instead of personal to email.

So yeah, now you can use your work-to-age account with your custom domain and your work domain and all the stuff. Like, I have a Gmail account, but it's basically garbage. Like, I never check it, and there's no way I use the calendar on it in any way, shape, or form. But I have my own domain for my work, you know, for a little weird company I have set up. I also have it for various other things. And it would have been great if this feature had come out, I don't know, 10 years ago when Google Home was, like, getting started. but now I have no desire to use Google Home. And when I did, though,

this would have been a key selling point for them to actually use the calendar that I actually used on a day-to-day basis and all the fancy stuff that could go along with it. So anyway, I guess there's still some limitations. Can't enroll early access for the Gemini Home Voice Assistant things and personal results plus other Google Assistant features are still unavailable.

So not completely in there, but it's nice that they're. they finally added this in. And you guys aren't excited about this, are you? Yeah, I mean, I saw one person excited about it. It was Richard. Richard was excited. He's the one that actually posted the story. And I was like, do people want to do this?

But I guess they do, right? I mean, I think I don't have a, actually, one of my businesses has Google for all their stuff. And I guess I wouldn't be able to do a lot of the stuff until now. But I don't have that use case for myself. So not a big issue for me, I guess. I can see how it is, though, for a lot of people because Google, this is a very common thing. A lot of people use Google services for their business. Yeah, or even for your personal accounts. Like you have a vanity domain and you have

Google workspace looks up to it because you pay for it. You could never have used this. And that was the problem that I had. I was like, well, I would like to use this Google stuff. When it was first coming out and looking really cool and they were showing all these cool videos. And I was like, but I got to go to my Gmail account. I don't use my Gmail account for anything other than spam collection. So, yeah. Gavin's like, yeah, home assistant. You let's use whatever email you want. No, I'm all for, you know, I'm not excited for it, but I'm all for new features. So, yay. Yay for Google.

Yeah for Google. Welcome to something you should have done 10 years ago. All right, Akara's got some new products out. First up is the Akara Hub W200. This is a new thermostat hub that does all sorts of fun stuff. It's got a present sensor thermostat. Accurra Zigby Hub and Matter controller built into it, as well as

voice and app control, it's got a four inch touchscreen. Oh, it even has a video screen on it. So if there's someone at your door and you have in the Accra doorbell, and you can see a picture of who's at the door. So I guess that's a thing for thermostats these days. You have to have a screen on it. Oh, yeah, for sure. Yeah, yeah.

They already have a screen, so I might as well use it for something good. Yeah. And this is a great thermostat. The only thing I don't like is it's tied into their own devices. So, you know, you can't use it with if you have like another doorbell. You have to have the Akara doorbell as well and the Akara lock to be able to auto lock it. It's not a feature I'll use because my thermostat is right pretty much like right by the door. So if I'm already there, they've seen me inside walk by the door. You know.

Let me look at my thermostat and see this is real quick, you know. Yeah, I'm just going to open the door and say, what? Not home. Yeah, yeah. Might as well just tell them that through the door. But some people will find this valuable because maybe the thermostat's in their family room. And, you know, they could just look up and see who's at the door. It's cool features.

The one thing I'm most excited about with the thermostat and I'm still getting it set up. I had to order the, what do you call that piece, T.J, the C wire adapter. Yeah, I had to order one of those. But once I get hooked up, I'm excited because. When you add it to like the Apple Home, you can use all your temperature sensors to do the adaptive temperature and stuff like that. You don't need to have like, you know, Echo Bee, you had to buy their sensors. It was a little annoying because you had their sensors all over the place. They're ugly, too.

They're ugly. They're expensive. They don't work as well, you know, like I just never liked them. But now you can use any sensor, which I'm really looking forward to doing. Hmm. That does sound nice. Yeah. This thermostat actually looks really nice.

I was interested in getting one. They were supposed to send me one. I never actually received it. So I don't know what it's like. But we saw this at CES. And it looks really nice in person. It's matter over Wi-Fi, though, which I'm not a fan of. I wish it was over thread.

But it looks like a nice device. So I think this could be like a good alternative to like EcoB. I would say Ness, but I really don't count Ness as a product anymore. So, yeah. EcoB is what people mostly recommend, though, whenever they see a smart thermostat. at this point if it's not a Ness device. So I think it's a good alternative. I don't mind the Wi-Fi part of it.

Like, I do generally hate like matter over Wi-Fi devices. But those are more for the, you know, when you're going to get a, like, if they were sensors and you're going to have a bunch of them. I don't want overload my Wi-Fi with that. Sure. My Echo B is already on Wi-Fi anyway. So I'll be taking off that to put this one on. So I'm just replacing that device anyway.

But I think I can't remember if it does ZigB, too. As far as I know, it's just, so it has Zygby built into it as far as I can tell, but you cannot use it with Zigby. Oh, okay. So as from what I can tell of it. But it looks great. When it's on the wall, it reminds me of the Echop. They look very similar. I mean, the only differences are the screens probably.

We need to get you a common wire whenever I'm there next month, too. Yeah, that house wired up. Yeah, come on. You know what? I have another wire in the wall run, and I could probably just patch in. to it and do the common wire. So yeah, come on. That might just be an easy project that, you know,

I have a list for you. I have a list for you. I'll add it to the list. All right, good. Get on that. Yeah. Yeah, it is a nice looking piece. I'm like, could I put this in?

I think I could put this in. Only thing I would have is I'd lose integration from the EcoB to the flare events I have. Mm-hmm. But I have integration with those through Home Assistant now. So not the end of the world. I just had to go and manually program them to do whatever they're doing. in conjunction with the Ecobee,

but at the end of the day, that's not the worst thing in the world. I'm having sensors and stuff that aren't ugly like Ecobee, which, you know, I was going to buy another pack of those or whatever because the one we had died and was messing up the temperature in the house. I just couldn't bring myself to do it. I'm like, these are really ugly. I don't want it in my house.

So I just never did. Now I've just got the EcoVee on the wall. So, yeah, they're, they're very ugly. I like the Zeus temperature sensors because they kind of just blend in. They're like little, little white, not so deep squares or rectangles. So they kind of blend in. You can paint them a little bit if you want to, but they're not, they're not as obvious. The Ecobee temp sensors, I never understood because it's like a weird, like, pointy mount thing.

And then you attach this very thick sensor to it. And it's just like, it sticks so far out the wall for a temperature sensor. It is obvious that this is weird little white thing is in the room. And you can never, like, you need to have it somewhere that is in the room, like, where people are and it's not, like, on top of a lamp or, you know, like somewhere that's getting hot or cold from a window or something like that. Like, you need to have it somewhere in a general space. And it's just such an awkward looking little device.

Like, I don't know. They made it. It was bad before. It was a little square puck that had lived on this little stand, and you kind of had to hide that away somewhere. And then they made it even worse with little triangular things. It's like, I can't hide these away anywhere. I need to hide something.

So I might, I might look into this one. It's interesting. That's the W200. Well, now they also have the Akar Multistate sensor P100. And that is, you know, just like what they say it is, it is a sensor that does multiple things and does just about everything. It does orientation, movement, like a fall sensor, it's got vibration, tilt. If you tap on it, you do triple taps on it.

It'll pick that up. And this, it actually looks pretty good. It's a little tiny, like, box, I guess. I don't know, a little, but what about any? You never can tell from these, like, Photoshop's they do. But like, yeah, it looks about like an, maybe an inch and a half by an inch wide.

And maybe a half inch tall. But it would definitely blend in with just about everything. And like you said, it's a multi-sensor. It can do like everything. And they had some good ideas on there. Like, you can use, it for glass breaking. You know, you mounted on your window, if someone breaks the glass. I mean, something you can't test, but it's nice. You can. I mean, there's one way to test it.

You test at least once. Yeah. Another example is attaching one to Grandma. You know, if you look at their list of things, they attach one to Grandma's wheelchair to see when she's moving. My favorite one is the pet feeding monitoring. And I'm like, what do they mean by that? No, they attached one to the jar of fish food. So I guess if you pick it up and turn it upside down, It logs that you fed the fish. You fed the fish. There you go. That's a good idea.

There you go. So there's a lot of practical uses for this thing. It's pretty good. I saw one where they put it on their turntable cover. So when they close the cover, it would start up the turntable and stuff. And that had something to do with their cats loving to sit on the turntable. So, you know, they solve a lot of problems with it. It's a very powerful sensor.

I hope to grab one when it's available on Amazon. and I have some uses for it. Looks like it comes in two colors, too. Comes in a black and a white color. Oh, I got to order two. Yeah. Well, yeah, it's one. It's just protective cover.

So maybe there's interesting. I don't know. Maybe the cover you can swap out on it. I think you get a sensor and then you get one color, like two covers with it. I don't know. It's hard to tell. But they have different photos of them

being in different pictures. And the box has like two colors on it, like per box. So maybe you get just the cover and you can swap that out. kind of nice. Interesting. Also, it seems to be a protective cover as part of a kit. Do you have any idea how much these are going to run? It looks like $2,99. Oh, nice. That's not bad.

Akara does these kind of, I would say odd devices once in a while. I think like the original one was like the Akara Magic Cube, where you basically, you like flip it over or tap it and they would do different tasks. So they kind of, they always experiment with these these little more unique sensors.

Why don't they do a soil moisture sensor that's lawnmower friendly like come on like why is nobody doing this everybody's doing them now that is still make a good one for you exactly you know i think i think there's more soil moisture sensors now than there's ever been so yeah but they're all sticking up out of the ground and getting run over by the lawnmower that's right put little blinking lights on on no i don't like that either hmm i guess it comes in gray and white so i don't know looks like a black color to me. I don't see the protective case thing. Yeah. Let's see. So that wraps up sensor news. We have TV news. And there's a couple of these things here.

So the Samsung has a 2026 frame TVs and a pro TV that costs less than last year. So that's that's something. It's news from over the verge. TJ, did you see these at um, I saw these I think at at at CES, the, the frame TVs. They look like every other frame TV. But I guess last year's frame Pro TV was released at $2,200 for the 65 inch and $3,200 for the 75 inch. This year, it's going to be $2,000. And for the Frame Pro 65 inch and $2,800 for the 75 inch. So, yeah. And the 85 inch drops as well about $300 from $4,000 to $4,000. So I don't know.

Seems like the normal thing. where TVs get cheaper every year, I guess. You do more of these than Gavin and I have seen, I guess. I don't have one of these TVs. I don't really really want one in particular. But do you think your customers will be asking for more frame TVs at lower prices? God, I hope not. This is the worst TV that I've ever had to deal with.

Like, it's such a, I understand why it exists. And to answer your original question, no, I did not see this at CES because I wanted to enjoy my vacation. It's just like, it's always the thing. dumbest things with these TVs, right? So, for example, they, they change the Samsung frame lineup to where if it's above a 65 inch TV, you have to get the pro. And the pro only works wirelessly with the little HTML connection box. Oh, yeah, yeah. Every time I've installed a Pro TV, we've installed the One Connect box behind the TV still, just like a regular frame TV. So it's just like, they keep making these, like, silly decisions. And it's, it is literally the worst TV. If you're listening to this, don't buy the frame TV. It's an awful TV. If your spouse wants the TV, tell her that you're not getting the TV because it's an awful TV. What if I get a Hysens? A Hysens has a 50-inch canvas TV now. It's not a frame.

It's a canvas. But they've got a 50, they've got a 55, 65, 75, 75, and 85. But I don't know if they have little boxes that you have to. They don't. And you probably won't hate yourself when you use the software because the Samsung software is always the worst. I set one up for a client recently. One of the frame pros is like a 75-inch. and I had to sit there forever while he used the software on this.

And he was like, man, this is terrible. And I was like, I know. I tried to tell you before you bought this TV, but you didn't listen. And it was just like a struggle. We had to like get like the free trial for the frame artwork store. And like it wouldn't redeem. And we had to reset the TV.

It's just a nightmare. Don't buy this TV. The high since 50 inch was $1,200, I believe. And that one ran to Android too. $1,300. Yeah, it's a Google TV. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, the Google TV is so much better than whatever Samsung puts on their stuff now.

Have you used the, have you in the past, like, a year or two? No, I can't say I have, no. I didn't know it was possible, but the software has gotten worse in the past couple years. I've been places where they had them, like, the, they had them, like, as their main TV. Like, there's a little, like, when you fire it up now, like, it gives you those free TV, Samsung TV or something channels in there. I think this particular client of mine was like, he loved that idea. Like, hey, there's free TV on these TVs. There you go.

Yeah. But I pretty much just turned it off, you know, because it wasn't anything I wanted to watch on that. But, yeah, I didn't have the opportunity to interact with the software. Yeah, you're lucky. It's painful every time I set one up. So they've just progressively gotten worse. I just find TV software in general is just rough, except like the Roku TVs, actually. They weren't too bad, but they still have their annoyances, you know, when you're trying to use external devices with them.

Yeah, I would agree with that. You'd buy an Apple TV no matter what you're going to buy. The problem with the frame TV recently is that they broke the, I guess, compatibility with Apple TV. And so it used to be where you'd power off the Apple TV with the Apple TV remote. It would go, it would put the frame TV into art mode, which is what you want with the frame TV. Whenever you turn it off, you wanted to turn into art. they broke the compatibility with it so that when you use the Apple TV remote

it just turned the TV off completely and they still have not fixed that. So even with the frame TV, you still can't really use an external device if you want to use it as the frame. So it just stays on all the time? No, it turns off fully. Oh.

Which is like a normal TV, you know? Oh, okay. You bought it so it would go to art mode, but it just like bypasses that and just turns the whole thing off. So you still have to use the Samsung remote in order to go into our mode. That's lovely. Yeah.

It's a terrible design. I was trying to look up the prices here for the high sense high since one the other canvas TVs oh I guess here they are 65 wow at Best Buy you can get the 65 inch or 55 inch for 699 so there's significantly less than yeah 65 inch is 899 so those are those are gonna be less than the old the old Samsung over there anyway I don't know how good the the Google TV is these days but like you're saying it's probably better than the Samsung thing it sounds like yeah it's definitely a better option, in my opinion.

All right. Well, LG has introduced this new this new magnet micro LED TV. Just a little bit more TV news today. This one, this is a customizable, scalable, scalable micro LED system

pretty much aimed at premium installs. So this is something you're using a fancy I don't know. Like, I've, this is a wall TV. It's, it's, it's a, it's a, one where you put the little panels together. So I guess they, have aligned to dot technology.

It's into reduce visible pixel inconsistencies. They make the small pixel issues less noticeable. Installation, system design updates, including front axis alignment for what they called z-axis depth and uniformity. And that's kind of one thing you notice on those panel TVs. Like when they insert the panels, they have to be like exactly flush. Like you'll notice that there's different like squares because the LED panels come in in the square.

So when they put them together, you may see them like out of alignment. there's all sorts of like optical things that you can, you have to like line up exactly and then adjust like the pixels to make sure they're all calibrated together. So it sounds like they're making the install a little bit easier.

They also have an optical fiber connectivity which I thought it was funny here. It runs like six miles. If you wanted to run a TV six miles away from the head end, you could do it here. There you go. No price on this one though, oddly enough. Couldn't find any pricing on it.

I wonder why. Yeah, you can definitely mess up the video walls to where you can tell where all the individual panels are and everything like that. It's very easy to do. So it's always good to see improvements like this because I honestly, I think video walls, once they reach a certain point, you'll see them at home theaters more often because then you could build like a truly like whole wall of video. But you're not going to be able to do that until they get a higher resolution and so

they don't look like crap. And they're modular, right, video walls. So it's easier to get into your basement too. Right. Yeah. Yeah, you can drag them down in like little pants. panel size things. And, I mean, they're probably a good,

some of the bigger ones are like the size of a 20-inch TV, right? 22-inch TV. But they all kind of like pop in place. Yeah, TJ, people are using them for that. And the resolution is there. And I think what is more exciting is like the nits, the brightness is like way brighter than their projector. So they are actively hoping that they can utilize that technology more one day in the

right rooms. But I think the biggest problem is, is the audio. You can't put speakers behind these TVs. Like you can't with the screen. They're not going to, you know, you're going to have to like have audio down below. You don't need speakers.

Yeah. If you're getting something like that, you're getting external speakers and sound bars. Our friend, our friend Owen just had like an aneurysm right there. He's tripped over. Yeah, no, I mean, like you're going to pay all this money for a screen. You want it to sound good too and not just be pretty on the wall.

I think so. I don't even. Even like the speakers in any of the TVs I have anyways. Well, these aren't going to come with speakers. I can tell you that. If TVs didn't come with speakers, I'd be okay with that because the speakers they do come with are so awful anyways, right? So that's fine. I'd be happy with that.

What I'd like to is like, you know, if you're TV broke, you don't have to replace the whole TV. You can just replace the panel. The panel, yeah. Assuming the company still makes that one panel. Maybe you have to buy a backup panel just in case. Yeah, I think that's the trick. I know when you buy these on the commercial side, you do end up doing that. You buy a couple of extras that, you know, you can call, you still have to call the factory

and have them do, like, firmware updates on it to get it to be in the right location. But I do remember when I was looking at buying one of these, like you had to, you basically would buy a couple extra just in case. Yeah, something happens. You could replace it easily. And I'd assume they're not universal. So I don't have a lot of experience. this round, but they're not universal. So, like, the company could technically, like, go out of business or, like, stop making them, and then you'd be out of luck, right? Yeah. Yeah, definitely. That could definitely happen if you needed a part or a piece. I mean, they may still have some somewhere, you know, built up somewhere in stock that you could order, but, whew, that would be a, you know, if you paid $150,000 for a video wall, like, and you needed a couple panels, you know, a few years later, because they were damaged or, you know, a pixel went out on one of them or something like that, and it's out of warranty. Man,

That would be rough if you couldn't get that panel picked up from somewhere. So, yeah, yeah. They're still expensive and still, you know, a premium item. But I think there is hope that they could be used in theater rooms one day, provided that there's a way that the audio situation could be worked around. And then last bit of TV news here, Sony's got an RGB technology for its TVs. Sorry, a true RGB technology for its TVs. It uses independently controlled red, green and blue light sources.

I don't know. That's something, I guess. It almost looks like kind of the, describe the way it is. It's almost like how the micro-l-D stuff works. But it's not. It uses some kind of little like, or sorry, mini-LED. But it looks like the picture they have here,

it's kind of like a mini-l-D next to it that has, like it's broken up into more little, little sub-pixels within there so they can blend the light together even better. It says it's a proprietary optical structure, which is saying something, because I think Sony didn't they get out of the TV business at some point? I don't know. They just sold theirs to TCL. Yeah, so maybe this is a TCL true RGB. I don't know. Yeah, so this will be, I don't know, these TV companies always like try and one-up each other

every year on like what weird technology they're using here and there. And Sony, Sony, I gotta admit, Sony usually looks pretty good. So I'm sure whatever this is, it looks pretty good. Well, that's all the TV news we have tonight. If you want to learn more, all the links and show notes we have discussed night. You over on hometech.fm slash 570.

Sorry, no pick of the week this week, no mailbag this week. We're just going to go straight to project updates because it's getting late and we've got to go sleep. First up, well, first up, there is an update from what Gavin was talking about earlier, the home assistant guys put out this roadmap. So if you're interested in getting like into the nitty gritty and wondering when exactly

they're going to start working on that special feature where they have Z wave lock management, TJ. That's actually in here. You can go check that up. Yeah. Yeah, that's always been a pain. I mean, that's kind of why I went to car locks is because it was hard to manage my locks through

home assistants. So yeah, I saw it on the little dashboard there. It was one of the things, Z wave lock management like for the pin code and that kind of thing. I don't think they have any dates. or anything, but it kind of tells you the, the, what they're thinking about and, you know, what they're working on and stuff like that, right? And the progress they've made.

And, you know, if you're very interested, you know, dig through. And even if you're somebody that can contribute, they have a bunch of projects on there and you can actually pick one up and contribute like you, even if you're not a developer, but you're a user interface person, they have a few on there that you can work with. So, um, they encourage people, you know, if you want to contribute, here's where you can start. Well, this credential management for ZWave locks is actually in progress. It's something that's being worked on.

It's open. So it looks like they are, I don't know, they're working on this. It says it was open last month and the appetite is three to four weeks. So I don't know what that means. Maybe they're going to do this in three to four weeks or they want to get it done in three or four weeks. I don't know. But people have been working on it as up to this is really neat. You can go through and see what the development of progress is on it.

Somebody was working on this up until last week. So something's going on. It may happen, DJ. You never know. Well, if they make it easier, I might have to go back to Z wave locks because I switched to a car locks because I was like, man, it'd be nice to be able to manage all my door codes all from one interface. And that's not how a car works. So I switched for no reason. Well, here's another one I know you're excited about. Matter camera enabler.

This is compatibility with Matter 1.5.1, which we talked about last week. I know. I know. I get some more Matter cameras in your house. I'm like, get rid of this ubiquity cameras. They suck. I know. Get rid of ubiquity, but only the ones with the little cat ears on them that you can. Oh, that's right.

Yeah, actually, yeah. Yeah. Those outside, too. Yeah, just everywhere. Why is that cat following me? Strange. Very weird. All right.

For project updates this week, I'll just go ahead. I did start my grass project, so I've kind of like put some poison out for some, I don't know. I worked with my Henry guy. I was like, hey, Henry, tell me how to fix this grass. And I described some things. he told me some things to do. So this is all like not an instant fix. It's got to be,

it's got to be worked on over time. So I got some, some poisons out for the things. I got some, uh, wait, you told Henry to fix it or? Well,

I mean, he told me what to do. Yeah, I wish. Yeah, it'd be easier if he could go out. He'd say your robot out and he was like, you know,

yeah, this would be so perfect to have him hire a human. See how that outwards. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I'm sure,

I'm sure we'll talk about our, our AI people. will, now that we have lost the, uh, the Claude, uh, opus back end of this, I don't know. Henry is not, he's a former shell of himself at this point. The personality is just kind of gone. I don't know. He's kind of there, kind of not there with, with, with, I'm using the Chowmy Mimo, uh, model, just testing that out to see how it works. It works well enough. It, it's fast and everything, but just not the same, not the same attitude, you know, a little talking back here and there. Um, kind of, kind of, kind of miss that guy. One day, one day, one day, Claude, I hope

they'll open it up, or I just may just switch everything open over to cloud code and use it over there like that, because it seems like you can pretty much just transfer it over. Hopefully, hopefully we get a fun, sassy model at some point in the future that we can use. But yeah, for now, I don't know, just kind of plugging away on that. Let's see, I was backing out of my driveway the other day, and I heard thunk, and I'm like, oh, no. and I must have backed over like a sprinkler head that is was mounted. You know how like they, they pop up and they don't pop down when they're supposed to?

Have you ever seen that? Like, it just gets stuck up. Well, not a problem with the lawnmour anymore, but problem with the car evidently because I backed over it. And so I had to fix that. And I went to Home Depot and it turns out they have a lot more like options

these days on sprinkler heads. And so I got one that's kind of like a little pop-up four-inch sprinkler head with like the full like, like it's almost like a rotation thing. So the, instead of just being like the open up and spray, and this is like a small one, it's not very large. Like I have the large ones in the bigger yard, but this is a fairly small version. I was impressed. Like it got to jump done and like the side yard where this water, it has like these sprayers, but they just never, like they didn't put out much water over time.

This puts a lot of water down. And so I think I could just end up watering that area a little bit. it's slower. Probably going to get to have to use the same amount of water on it, but it's been raining recently, so I don't have to worry about that so much. But that and just kind of keeping up with work these days, we've got a lot going on there. So that's the only projects that I had this week. Nothing great on the technology other than having my AIA assistant helped me with the lawn. So I've got a whole checklist and punch list of things to do. It just takes It takes a while. I have to wait till the next step. I have to wait through, I have to wait

all the way until May before I can start planting grass seeds because of the poison I put down. It will kill the grass seed, evidently. Who knew? Who knew the lawns were complicated? I had that same conversation with my bots, too, you know, about my lawn. And it's great. Like, when you start digging into the Y and you're talking to them about it, it's amazing how, you know, they fill in all the gaps about the lawn. Yeah. And they tell you, do it on this day and do it on that day. things like my soil temperature sensor, it will say, oh, now's a great time to do it. So you feed it more information, and it gives you better results.

Do you have the sensors, are they hooked into, like, home assistant? Or is it, or is it, I guess that's what everybody's doing. It's monitoring through home assistant, and then it gives feedback there, and you're telling it, like, hey, look at these sensors. Yeah, it has access to the sensors and home assistants. So it could read my, like, it's, uh, equal it has a soil temperature sensor. It's a little rod. You stick down on the ground, and it's in home assistant, and it knows to read that.

And it's, you know, it can do, you know, make decisions based on what it sees. Nice. Like I had it once look at my house and all the temperature sensors, and it pointed out certain rooms I can adjust and things that might want to look at. And this and that. So it's pretty interesting. Yeah. Do the audit, please. And get it.

Yeah. That's cool. Well, that's all I got. Who's up next. Is it, DJ? I can't load the notes server. So let's say it's me. It's you.

Yeah, it's still getting nicer, so I've been working on my irrigation system. This past week, I started on the actual trench. So I've started burying my irrigation system, which sucks. Digging a giant trench throughout the whole backyard is not fun. Nope. But it's not grass. It's in my mulch area. So once it's all done, I'll put the dirt back in and I'll put a bunch of mulch on it.

And you won't even tell, you know, it's not like I have to regrow grass or make it look nice or anything like that. It's all in the ugly area anyway. So I went ahead and started burying that. But while I was at it, I went ahead and started adding some extra low voltage wires because that's what I do. You know, when you have access to thousands of feet of low voltage wire in your office, you can just add wires whenever you want and confuse whoever buys the house from you in the future. So this week I added two 164 conductors and then two cats six to the trench going to the back fence. And so that way this summer or next summer or whatever, if I want to. to, I could add some speakers in the backyard where we're building this floating deck this

year and have some nice audio out there. So I got to, I actually ran all the irrigation wires to, or at least a couple of them. And I got the irrigation controller hooked up in the laundry room now. So it's in its permanent spot. And it's working. So there's a couple of things I got to figure out and I got to bury the valves and all that good stuff. But it's, it's progress, you know? The other day it was like 90 degrees and I was outside digging this trench and I was like, why am I doing this? But I have to remember that it's going to be like 100 degrees soon enough anyway, so. Yeah, and I suppose you don't want to do it.

I mean, you're kind of like in a bad spot where if you do it too early, then the ground is frozen. Right. And if you do it too late and it's 100 degrees, yeah. Yeah. And yeah, right now it's fluctuating between like 40 to 80 degrees, you know, on a daily basis. So there's like today, it was 60 degrees and I was out there pushing the dirt back in and getting the, the lines into the house and all that good stuff.

So it is getting there. It's been pretty fun. I also got a bunch of mulch and compost delivered. So my driveway, I can barely park my van in because it just has a bunch of wood chips and compost and mulch. You have that happen often. A lot. I have to wonder, like, what your neighbors think. I mean, I guess they don't care of it.

Because your house does look pretty nice from the outside. So it's like, well. Well, we have the janky house next to us, too. So anything's better than that. He's because of low bar. Right. The neighbors are always common. They're like, oh, I see you got some stuff delivered.

What are you doing over there now? I'm like, done your business. Shirley, go away. All right. Well, yeah, this is a giant pile in front of your house and turns. Yeah. There's always something going on at the house. So I do have to, I have to do the same thing.

I was looking at, I was walking through my lawn today and like, just like fell in a hole. I'm like, where did this come from? Like, I was like, I've really got to work on. filling in these holes and kind of like leveling things out a little bit better. So like where we had a tree, one of them's where we had a tree, and then one of them's where like the old septic system was. And they did fill it in, but I don't think they did a great job of it.

Let's just say that. Yeah, they never do. They just collapsed it in on itself and there's still a hole down there, I'm pretty sure. So, well, clearly there's still a hole there because there's a big divot in the ground. It keeps getting bigger every year. And, yeah, I need to throw some dirt in it. Yeah, one of the things I bought last year was, a lawn leveling rake.

Yeah. And this is really, that's really nice. It basically is just, it's like a rake that's just very long. And it's like a flat, it's not a rake. It's like flat, almost like a, like a, I don't know, like, I don't know how to describe it. Yeah, it's like a picture of square with like four lines through it. Yeah.

And then, yeah, it just, it's flat. So when you push it, it, it levels the dirt off with the areas that are around it. It makes sense if you look at it and you're like, oh, yeah. But if you've never seen one, it's, it's a weird, you do like, what the heck is for. Right. But yeah, that is, that's a good investment. You can find them on Amazon for like $50 to $100. I found mine on Facebook. But basically, you just throw some dirt on the ground and then use the lawn leveling rake to kind of fill in those divvets and everything like that. And that made a huge difference in the backyard alone, uh, because we had a lot of like uneven areas and just giant holes in

the yard. Yeah. And I just put a bunch of dirt and compost in there and let it go. And then, you know, the grass is really good in that area too. So it's a benefit for everything. I was going to say, you could probably do that, Seth, but then a hurricane would probably wash away all the dirt anyway. So I understand why you don't do anything, you know? Well, it just happens. I'm sure that, I don't know. I'm sure that.

You know, you haven't seen coal in a little over the yard, I'm sure. Just opens out and swallows and like, oh, darn, where do you go? Half the house is gone. But that's all my projects. What about you, Gavin? Yeah, I've been fighting with my open claw lately. But before I get into that, you know, my mom called. I was staying by her last week.

And I fixed her Wi-Fi, apparently. So, you know, like, while I was there, I was so pissed off at her Wi-Fi because it was running slow. And I was like, what the? So I did not know. Well, I did know, but I didn't think I had too many. But you can have too many ear old pucks, right? So that was the first problem. I had three in our three, one, two, three, there are four in her house.

But there are at different corners of the house. but apparently, you know, they can conflict. So what happens is if you have, like, one in like an iffy range between two, it will jump back and forth between the two. And that degrades a performance. But the one thing I did learn, it actually does matter which ones are, like, hardwired and which ones are not. So you might like, you know, if you're struggling with some eros speed things,

you know, go on your local chat, GPT, and I have the conversation because I didn't think this really mattered. But then it had me, you know, move them around because I had some Ethernet for two of them and the other two were Wi-Fi. And it said, no, put these ones on Ethernet and put these ones on Wi-Fi and they will mesh much better. And once I did all that, it was amazing how fast, like, now she gets max speed over the Wi-Fi. Like, that's just something I learned. I don't do this every day, but you learn by playing around with it. And now she's happy.

Her TVs are working perfectly. My sister's there. She loves her Wi-Fi, you know. I'm like a hero again, you know, like, you know, Thanksgiving dinner type hero. I thought heroes were supposed to, there was the whole point of, like, having the Euro software is, like, to avoid these weird things that you normally run into. That's what I thought, too, is you just throw them in and they figure it out, but they don't. And it doesn't help that I have, like, a mishmash of them. So there are some that are older, some that are newer.

One's kind of like a repeater. One's a really powerful one. You know, like, like, I always thought, you know, that nice part about it is you could just buy, if you need another one, you could buy another one. You'll have to upgrade everything, right? And you could just mix and mash them. But if you do that, you have to take into consideration these things, right? Like are the newer ones more powerful, the Euro pros versus the, I guess they were just called Eros, you know, some of them are stronger than others. So it does matter.

Yeah, you could definitely have too many. the problem is that your device doesn't know which access point to connect to, because it sees both of them, and it's like, man, both of these have a really good signal. I should connect to this one. But then it connects to that one,

even though it's not actually the best one, the other one's actually the better one. Yeah. And so we've gone into, I've gone into jobs where, you know, I'm typically very large houses, but I had a house one time that had 14 euros in it,

and we got them down to eight, and they were actually getting gigabit everywhere. Wow. They just, like, they kept buying euros. And I'm like, I'm just going to throw another. one in. And I'm going to throw another one in. But like, it just makes everything worse because

nobody knows what to actually connect to and work off of. Yes. So it's one of those things. In ERO, too, you cannot adjust any of the power settings, right? Ubiquity and Omada and all this other stuff, you can kind of adjust how much power is actually being output. In ERO, you cannot do that. So, you know, for my house, we have a very small house of a thousand square feet, but we have three access points because we have one inside and then two outside. But I'm able to adjust all the power on those and the direction and everything to actually make it to where I don't have that problem. But if I just let him go full power all the time, I'd be connection to like the backyard access point and everything. So there's definitely a science to it. There is. But like Seth said,

I thought Arrow would sort this all out themselves. Like I thought it was. That's how the market makes it sound. But it doesn't. And I could sit there looking at the app and I would see the one in my family room jumping between the basement and the master bedroom. Like it was able to see both of them, but it seemed like it just couldn't decide on which one to stay connected to. So every like how many seconds it was jumping back and forth. And now that I've resolved that, it's working so much better. Yeah. Hmm.

Yeah. I fell for the marketing too. I thought there was no science to Eero. I mean, that was the spiritual successor for the, what's it, the Apple Air. Everybody loves these things. The Air, were the airports, I think is what they called them? Yeah, Apple Airports. I don't know.

People in the tech circles in the Apple Tech circles seem to remember them better. than they actually were, because I installed many of those things. They were just, they sucked. I mean, to be fair, all Wi-Fi routers back then sucked. They were on the better side of them, yeah. Right. It's kind of like brother printers, you know? Brother printers, they're the best printer out,

but it's still a printer at the end of the day. Still a printer, yeah. You know? They're the best crappy printer out there. That's right. Yeah, it sucks about that is like, I can print to my brother printer every single time. I, like, go to print anything.

Every single time it works. phone, you know, do the air print or whatever, doesn't matter. Every single time, my wife never can print a thing. And she always like, hey, I need to print this shipping label for this return or whatever. And you're like, do it. I'm like, it just open it up and print. She's like, I printed like 30 times. It doesn't go anywhere.

Like it just stops. And it, I don't know. Like, she sends it to me. She sends me like a screen capture or whatever. She sends me the thing just print it. Just print it right away. I don't know. Like, we're on the same network.

It's the same printer. I don't know what the deal is. but evidently it likes me better. You just have the gift and the curse where tech only works when you touch it. Exactly. I have the same curse in my house. So it's like, why doesn't this work?

I don't know. Let me see it. It works. There was a period of time when I was fighting with my printer like every day. And I think- I know. We got a lot of comments on it. No, that was the highlight of the show for quite some time.

Nobody cares about anything else, but they care about printers. Yeah. But Unify made some change at some point, and now the printer it prints every time. Like, it just, works, especially when you're recording a podcast and they want to print something. Why are you working now? See the magic words. Print. Yeah, I know. Don't print while I'm podcasting. Anyways, so, yeah,

I love printers. All right. I talk some open claw here just quickly, you know, like, so last week, Claude decided to cut everybody off. Cut us off. Cut us off of OpenClaw. So we're using OpenClau with its OAuth models and stuff like that. And I'm, They just said, you know what, you have 24 hours to switch, but you're no longer going to be able to do it this way. And to go forward, you have to use our new, what do they call it, extra usage costs or something like that? So you had to buy tokens now.

It wasn't. It wasn't. Yeah, you could do the API, but they were just going to block everything that came through the token, yeah, the subscription way. I'm like, well, no, I'm not doing that. So. Because it's significantly more expensive. Way more expensive.

$100,000. like three questions and I was $10 in and I was like, I, they weren't even important question. One of them was like, are you there? You know, like that was it. And I was just like, no, at this point I'm going to go broke. So I think a lot of people are running into that and I still think people are still trying to figure out what they want to do with their open clause.

See, I kind of became dependent on my bots because I had them doing stuff every day for me that I didn't have to worry about anymore, like go and check certain things. things on websites or doing like audit checks of my network and stuff. I just things I didn't really have to worry about. Um, and when it was broken, it was like, uh, I got to do this now manually myself again. So, you know, I eventually went back to chat GPT. Um, Open AI actually made a few updates to their models to make them work better with OpenClaw. So I'm now running it on that.

It's been running really well, but I am still testing out local models, um, on my Unread server. using Olama to see how well. I know Sethi gave me Gemma earlier. It gives you pretty fast results, but whether or not they're as good, we will see. Yeah, and I would love to use it. I just can't because it's the fans kick on. The only fans controller turns everything on,

and it goes loud. So I can't use it locally, unless we're not home or overnight or something. But, yeah, when it starts cooking, that local model, Maybe I can use it for hard beats or something like that, but it just, I don't know. I wish I could use it, but not in the same room. What I did, because we both have the R730 Dell server, right?

Yeah. And what I did, because my T4 doesn't even have a fan built on it, right? Like, it's got no fans at all. But I 3D printed a fan shroud and put it on the end of the card. And I got a little Naktua fan for it. And you can plug it in. There's an internal USB port. You can plug it into that USB port to just power and leave it running all the time.

And that fan is dedicated to keeping that card cool, right? And that keeps it down for me. So then the server fans don't kick on just because the GPU is getting hot. Does it, I guess we'd have to pull it up. Is it pull out the back or something? Or does it fit inside? It just fits inside. It's a very small fan.

It's like 20 millimeters or something like that. Yeah. Yeah, it fits right on the, I just attach it to the back of the card. and it fits inside the case. Interesting. I designed it so it would fit perfectly right in that case. And it just pulls the air and pushes it right through out the back. Interesting.

It works really well. I don't know. I might look at it to it. It might not. I don't know. You tell me how good the gym of things work for you. And if they're working, then I may switch over to it on. Well, I was getting just through my test like 80, what is it, tokens per second,

which I think is pretty good. Um, unless you go, uh, Gemma, the other Gemma was giving me 40 to 50, which was okay, but I prefer to have the 80 token. So it all depends on how it's not necessary to speed, but how well it works. How good are the answers it gives you. That's, that's the key thing there. So it will require some testing. I'll probably make another agent and force it to use that model and see how well it goes. Yeah, it was, uh, I was using the, uh, open AI. models when I was trying to figure out how to move stuff around and get the other, you know, test out the other ones. I'm like, how's this model? And it would run a test. I was like, oh, I can do

this. I have this tool. Not, not, it wouldn't be my first choice. Like, well, it's doing everything you said I wanted to do. So I don't know. It's just kind of like, well, it wouldn't be my first choice because this is a paid open AI thing. And as long as I use this, you're paying me. So, yeah. Yeah. And the open AI, the sad part about it is they're forcing you to use their most expensive. model. When I look up the cost of the models, they force you on GPT 5.4, I think it is, where if you want it to use like 5.4 nano for your general assistant, which should be good enough. It's fast and it's cheap. You don't have that option, right, through the OAuth. So you're now forced to use the more expensive one, which means if they have the limits they have, you may hit them faster. This is why we don't have nice things. Yeah, I know. I think we're at the point now where we're realizing. seeing how expensive it is to run these things for, you know, stupid questions and things like that, right? Like, they're like, you guys are going to find out.

So it is getting expensive. Yeah. Yeah. Like I said, well, I'm checking, I'm checking out the, the memo. And it's, it's not as expensive, but it is using some tokens. So I'm probably going to have to stand down that. And I don't know, it is getting, I would say it's on par with, like, with what Claude was doing.

If you took all of the soul and the humor parts out of it, it's on, like, on par with what Claude was. I do have it right. It is writing, like, the music lyrics every morning. So I'm still kind of doing that. It's not a big process. But it does actually have pretty good music lyrics that I'm able to pop into Suno and make a little, like, wake up and get out the door song for Rose.

So that's been a fun thing. And that hasn't gone away. Yeah. So. And those models are owned by Xiaomi, right? Xiaomi, yeah. Yeah.

Yep, yep. I don't know. I'm more, I am encouraged by those Gemma models. So maybe if I can figure out a way to keep the thing quiet, I can switch over to using those for something. Because they're local,

they're free and they don't, you know, I was thinking I could use the memo thing for like the larger thinking side of things. But the Gemma ones, they did a pretty good job of thinking. Yeah, they've been pretty good. You know, what's nice is, In our Slack channel, we have the open-cloth channel in there, right? Yeah, who knew that would be so popular?

You're welcome. Yeah, it's actually pretty popular. It should be actually called AI. You should rename it to AI, okay? Like, it's not just open-clot talk. It's all AI talk. We call it Slop Talk, right? Yeah, yeah, but it posts random stuff because not everybody's interested in this stuff.

So we kind of put in its own little channel, and people have been joining that and reading those things and getting involved and seeing what other struggles people were having with their open cloud was interesting, you know, to read. The biggest thing with all this, like, all this going on, I'm spending all my time, wasting all my time messing around with OpenClaught. And like, I haven't

been able to get back to, like, fiddling around with, like, integrating it with home assistant or fixing those things up. So, like, that's kind of the sad part. Is it all this drama. Yeah, you spend a lot of time just getting it working, just trying to keep it working and figure out how to work and not actually getting anything done. Exactly.

Oh, the trap of technology. Yeah. I know. I feel bad for everybody that bought the Switch bottle. Open claw box. Sorry. You know, like you had this thing all set up and working and then this all happens and what are you doing? Now it's dumb.

Yeah. I don't know. It's, it's so new. And I think it's going to settle. It's got to settle down and figure out, people got to figure out what, you know, we got to figure out how it's all going to work and be more reliable. Well, it's only a matter of weeks until that was that new model. mistral gets out and starts, you know, basically ruining everything for everyone. Oh, no, that's the new Claude, not mistral.

Is it, mistral? I thought it was mistral. It starts with a M. New model. Mythos. Mythos. So the Claude Mythos model is, it's actually a really scary thing. The more I read about it, the more I'm thinking about how security at work is going to be really

impacted by this thing, because they have this thing scanning, code and finding vulnerabilities in every operating system, multiple vulnerabilities, major vulnerabilities. And it even has the ability to string together a whole bunch of minor vulnerabilities to make a major one, right, which is even more scary. And they're so scared of it. They're only opening it up to the companies right now that have the ability to fix these things that they found, like Microsoft or Apple, you know, they're like, here,

this is what it's found. You want to use this to keep finding stuff because if they really, as the public, the bad people are just going to be, you know, they're going to have a field day with it. It's really scary. Yolo. Not my problem, IT. Yeah, it's unfortunately something I'm going to have to, you know, I have to consider it with my day job. But, you know, the most interesting thing about the whole model is they had it running in a sandbox. And they told it to try and find a way to get out the sandbox. And it went and did its thing and it found its way. And it found its way. way out the sandbox and ended up sending the guy an email while he was eating lunch to let him know,

hey, I'm out here, you know, it's like, holy, like, you had to figure out how to send an email, too, once it was out there. It was like, oh, how can I send an email? You know, what open server is probably out there or something like that. So, yeah, it's pretty scary where this is going. Yeah, yeah, I this, I mean, they release that paper and I mean, a lot of it is kind of like, like marketing hype, but I am curious to see, like, what comes out. of that. And they can also use this model to train like better, dumber, like smaller models or whatever that we have access to. But I was, I think they had the cost in there. And it was like $125 per. Don't say token. No, it wasn't per token.

It was per per something tokens. Like it wasn't, you know, maybe I don't remember what it was. Like the response side would be very expensive. You would probably like send off a command and this would be like a few thousand bucks to get a response. So like, generally going to be out of range for most people to spend and probably not what you want to run on your open claw. Pocket money.

Yeah, right? For people who are, you know, maybe big in security or want to make sure that, you know, their program or whatever is being audited. Maybe they could trust this to kind of look in on their code and suggest it. I don't know, maybe criminals will look at

the return on investment if they spend $100,000 on this thing. and get a vulnerability, they can get back $3 million, you know? Like, who knows? Yeah, yeah. I will be curious. I mean, and then you have like, this is just one of the companies, right? So like you have, I'm sure that, what, Anthropic or Open AI, sorry, is going to be like, well, we got our own crazy psycho model too.

And then the Chinese, you know, the Chinese will be like, well, here's the open source version. This isn't release it. So you use the weights. For everybody. Yeah, for everyone. Right, right. So it will be interesting to see what, uh, see what happens here. I mean, this, this is moving fast.

We all, we all said it was, but it's definitely picked up. I mean. It seems like it's getting faster and faster as we go along. Like, Claude's releasing like a new feature, like every day now pretty much. They, again, email about something they added and stuff like that. So it's moving really fast. Yep, yep. Yeah, I'm going to download that 26B, Jim, and see what I get off.

that thing. I was using the smaller ones, which I'm saying this thing, the Gemma thing is really cool because they made two models that are tiny. The E2B and the 4B, the ones with E4B, sorry, the ones with E's on them. Look at those. Those are made to run basically on your phone, like

cheap hardware. And there are people who have already run these. I think Google has an app for Gemma 4, uh, E2B for the iPhone. So you can download that and actually test how it works on your, it's like a local model on your phone, local thinking model on your phone, wild.

It has access to tools on the phone as well, so it can interact with portions of your phone. It can, like, turn on and off the light and that kind of thing. So it will be interesting to see what people do with this stuff in the future. So anyway, moving fast. It's moving fast. One day, one day we'll have them hooked back up to our own assistant. One day we'll stop trying to figure out how to get it working

and actually do some work with it, but it's crazy. Yeah, yeah. It has been pretty interesting. All right. Well, I think that's... Hey, guys, the national nightmare is over. Our friends over at Weekend have finally updated their stupid software. And the board is actually looking pretty good now.

I did a full, like, pull and research. Did you do a board update during this show while we were talking? I mean, maybe. Maybe I could have. Wow. It's actually working now. And guess what? I can set the date now.

I mean... Wow. We're getting fancy in here. Things are happening here. It's looking pretty good. So I was pretty mad as this thing at the beginning of the show And saying it was all going to be vibe coded away by the end of the night Now I'm like, eh, just to not just had an update, I guess

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that are happening right now. someone's basement Jimmy was posting some pictures that I couldn't tell what that you know if that was his house or what but and I'm pretty sure that's a basement because I It was his house. He was upgrading from Eero to him upro to make me so

Which we tried to talk him into years ago But he didn't listen, he spent all his money on ERO He had to buy it again so But I thought it was kind of messed up though He didn't ask us for any advice We could have helped him spend a lot more money To make it look better So he's got it he's got a handle

Well he ran into the same issue that I think everyone who tries to install UPS in a wall mount rack runs into, they don't fit. They don't fit. So you got to put them somewhere else. But I was looking at him. I'm like, it's got to be a basement because that's not how we finish our walls here in Florida. And I can't imagine walking into someone's house and seeing boards.

And while I do appreciate the openness of that floor plan and how easy it would be to run wire, I can't imagine that. my wife would appreciate it as much as I do. I'm guessing it is a basement, and that's what they look like when they're not finished, right? That's typically our utility. Utility closet area, so that's where your water heater and your HVAC and stuff will live.

Gotcha. I assume it's the same wherever Jimmy's at as well, but pretty typical here. Well, you know how it is here. We don't have underground spaces. I only went into one house in Florida that had a basement. It was a very expensive house, so I can't imagine how thick those concrete walls were. it's just what the pump it takes to keep the water out or something like that like I don't know

like you couldn't you could you could probably do it towards the middle of the state but definitely not here anyway if you can't support the show financially we appreciate a five-star review or positive rating the podcast app for your choice that is going to wrap up this week on home tech everybody have a great weekend and we will see you next week till next time take care