Hope Is A Verb - Myra Anubi - Is “Good News” Real Journalism?

Episode Date: April 29, 2026

What happens when two solutions-focused news platforms compare notes on how to change the narrative of the world? Meet Myra Anubi - BBC journalist and host of People Fixing the World - who, like Fix The News, is part of a growing movement to challenge the doom and gloom by reporting on what’s working. Through stories of climate innovation, global health breakthroughs and grassroots problem-solving, Myra is helping prove that solutions journalism isn’t a soft alternative - it’s rigorous, necessary, and reshaping the future of news. Myra takes us behind the scenes to unpack how these stories are found, verified and told inside one of the world’s largest media organisations. She also reflects on her lifelong relationship with the BBC World Service - and why telling stories of progress may be one of journalism’s most important challenges, and greatest opportunities, today. In this episode:·      What solutions journalism actually is - and why it matters·      Why “good news” still faces resistance in mainstream media·      Growing up in Kenya “raised by radio” ·      How COVID and George Floyd coverage reshaped her family’s media diet·      Collaboration as a practical remedy·      Why audiences are hungry for stories of progress·      What the future of journalism could look like Timestamps: 02:15 What Myra really thinks of the news 03:50 What counts as someone fixing the world? 05:19 Inside the BBC: Pitching “What’s Working”09:13 Raised by radio in Kenya10:43 How the BBC shaped Myra’s worldview12:16 Myra’s journey from solutions sceptic to evangelist15.47 Gus & Amy’s midpoint reflections17.11 The power of Kangaroo Care as a solution19.03 The pattern of change20.07 What makes someone fix the world?22.13 Dr Gladys Kalema-Zikusoka and conservation through public health 24.42 How being detained in Uganda exposed deeper challenges within journalism26.56 The work ahead for solutions journalism28.48 How to change your children’s media diet31.55 Myra’s remedy for the world – collaboration32.55 The personal impact of solutions journalism 34.00 Gus & Amy’s final reflections Find out more:👉 BBC People Fixing The World👉 Podcast link👉 Linkedin👉 InstagramAbout Fix The News:Fix The News is a solutions-focused media platform sharing stories from the frontlines of progress - exploring what’s working in the world and the people making it happen.Subscribe & follow:If you enjoyed this episode, follow the podcast and leave a review - it helps more people find these stories.Production credits:Hosted by Angus Hervey and Amy Davoren-RoseProduced by Fix The NewsAudio production: Anthony Badolato, Hear That! This episode was produced in Australia on the lands of the Gadigal, Wurundjeri and Woi Wurrung peoples.

As journalists, we have forever thought that all we have to do is report and be the gatekeepers. But we have a responsibility to the people who we report to, who we leave depressed and sad. And Solutions journalism is one of the big ways that we can actually do something different. Welcome to Fix the News. I'm Amy. I'm Gus. And these are stories from the front lines of progress. You know what I find interesting about this Solutions journalism space after having been in mainstream media is that there is so much more collaboration

between different people in different organisations. In legacy media, there's a lot of walls and you don't generally reach out over your wall. It's like there's not enough pie to go around. This space is completely different. Yeah. I have definitely experienced that. I think early on I kind of resisted the solutions journalism label.

There is something instinctively that it feels a bit light on. But of course, having now done it for long enough, I realize that it's just as robust. In some ways, you have to be even better to be able to find interesting hooks and through lines and stories. And it's great listening to someone like Myra, who has done the same and really been on a similar kind of journey. And also what's interesting about Myra is that she is pushing solutions.

journalism inside an institution like the BBC. Oh yeah. And she's finding solutions in places that we often don't look for them. Sub-Saharan Africa, across Asia and India in different parts of the world that the media is not used to concentrating on. There are some incredible stories and some amazing solutions being demonstrated in places that the cameras don't go. And I love that she's bringing that to light.

Myra Anubi, welcome to the podcast. Thank you so much, Gus. It's been a long time coming, I think. We are long-time admirers of your work. We're so excited to speak to you. And I have been waiting to ask you this question, I think, for like two years. What do you think of the news? Oh, my gosh.

Oh, my goodness. Let me try and be diplomatic because I work for a big news organization. But really and truly, I think it's necessary, but I don't think it's balanced. I'm championing for this as we speak, that every news, bulletin should have some solution stories attached to it or at the very least a link where people can find some solution stories so i don't think it's balanced in the sense that we have a lot of negative stuff going out there but not enough of the positive stuff that's actually happening but don't we get that in the news at the end of your evening broadcast you say and finally here's a

heartwarming story about a beaver that got rescued by a lion or something i don't know exactly i mean that that is exactly what we get and it always starts with and finally Finally, these last few seconds before the news is over. What we get is happy stories. We don't get solution stories. Solutions stories have impact. They are a response to a problem. They have limitations, but they also have evidence of things that work.

And they are well reported and considered, and not just a few seconds at the end of an actual bulletin. The name of your show is People Fixing the World. And obviously, it's hosted and run by the BBC. that is very similar to the name of our organization, which is Fix the News, but of course yours is bigger and a lot more distinguished than ours. But they both share this word fix. Yeah.

Which I'm really interested in. What counts as someone who's fixing the world? Well, first of all, let me start by saying, I think we need more fix the news and people fixing the world. We don't have enough, so good on you guys as well. But what really counts as someone who's fixing the world? I think it's someone who has seen a problem and is really inspired to change it.

Sometimes it's an individual, sometimes it's a community, but it's someone who is actively taking the responsibility of the problem and trying to find a solution. I will also say that it's a good problem to have very many people now who are trying to fix the world. We get so many stories, and we can't cover them all every week, but that doesn't mean we dismiss them.

We go back to the pillars, the things that we find actually. make a solution story and define it against a happy story. We have a team that sits down and discusses these stories every week. People who we have had on the program will know that we'll have these annoying phone calls before, many of them. Just to really understand the background of all these solutions, all these ideas, all these individuals who are trying to fix the world, how it started, how it's working.

And once we are sure that this does qualify for a solution story, we will then cover it. the beauty is there's a lot happening and, you know, it's a good problem when you have to sift through a bunch of stories. But again, if we had more platforms like this, that wouldn't be a problem. When you have so many stories of people fixing the world, what type of metrics do you use? What will make you choose one story over another story? To answer that question, you also have to understand we are on top of that, a world service program. So we're not just reporting about what's happening in the UK or the US or Australia, we're reporting really from all around the world. And one of the things we do on people fixing the world is we will often look at one problem

and find two or three solutions from different parts of the world, maybe a developing part and a developed part just to show you that whether this solution has come from a place where there is more funding or less funding, these are ideas that are still working. It's really just to open up your mind to the fact that solutions can exist everywhere. don't always have to be well-funded or very well-developed. It's more of that it factor, the innovation, the edginess of a story, or sometimes the location. If we're going to places in the world where you rarely hear about innovative things, that might determine whether we do the story or not. If it's something that's not been done before or is being done differently,

that might identify whether we bump this one up instead of the other. And again, sometimes it's just the people, the people behind these innovations that really stand out. You have such a wide view on what is happening in terms of solutions and progress. Are there any regions that you feel where a lot of innovation is happening, but maybe mainstream media aren't really catching those stories? I would probably selfishly say Africa, because I grew up in Kenya. And I remember being a young girl at the time. watching news, growing up in that space, and just hearing all these negative things about my country,

you know, corruption, drought and floods and all of that. And when you grew up in that space, it's hard to see anything differently, especially when you're an outsider from a different country. That's all you ever know about the place. I would say Africa, because there's a lot happening there in the last years, four or five years that I've been doing people fixing the world. We've come across a plethora of solutions across Africa. I mean, Africa has got the world's youngest population. It's going to have 85% I think of the world's workforce by 2050. And these are people who will be tech-savvy, who are hungry for change.

Already we're seeing that with a Gen Z across the continent. So I think that's one place to look at. But also as a program, there are places like China where we find it really difficult to report from, but where so many innovative things are happening. I mean, really and truly, you could easily, do stories from across Europe in Nordic states especially where these are smaller countries, they have more money, it's easier to report from them. You could just focus on these particular

spaces and do stories from there. But we do need to really explore the sleeping giants, places where there's so much more happening. I noticed in your list over there, you didn't mention India, but of course the BBC must have good networks and contacts into India. Do you come across stories there or do any stories from India in particular stand out on your memory? All the time. All the time. Actually, India is another sleeping giant. I think it's called a sleeping tiger.

And the thing about India is we, it's a big, it's a very, very big place with very many people. But we're lucky that across the world and in India as well, we have a lot of reporters on the ground who often when we can't physically go to these locations, they can on our behalf. And we do a lot of stories from India. There are very many innovative things. happening there. And individuals who often have very little money, but are very smart and very determined to see change. So yes, India is one of the places we often report from.

Okay, I wanted to pick up on something that you mentioned earlier, which is, you know, as a young girl in Kenya, you grew up listening to the radio, and you would hear all these kind of stories about your country that maybe didn't quite match up to reality. I want to hear a little bit more about growing up and listening to the radio, and isn't it kind of strange that now you are on the other side of the microphone. Absolutely. How much time do you have? This is like one of my most, all the time.

This is one of my most favorite things to talk about. I was raised by radio, you know. I grew up listening to radio. My parents loved having the radio on all the time, whether it was music or news. I actually recently had my dad visit here in the studio, which was really special for me, because his parents had the very first radio in the area where they lived and their neighbors would actually come around

and listen to BBC World Service to find out what was happening in the world. So for him, having him actually physically come into the building, see all the magic in action, and giving him that moment, and then having him now go back to Kenya and know that his daughter's voice is being carried through those boxes

that once revealed the world to him and the people around him. I think he's really special. Fun fact, when I was younger, I would also hold the remote control and I would pretend to be one of the presenters on the screen. I just, I found it really fascinating. And I guess in many ways it was written in the stars that this is a space I would be in. The fact that you grew up listening to the BBC means that you also grew up with a worldview.

How do you think that, and I think I heard you call it a magic box in one of your posts, How did that magic box shaped your view of the world? It's interesting because it shaped my view in different ways before working here and now working here as well. We would get like a lot of our news from the World Service. Actually, even when I was older, when we'd hear things locally from our own TV radio stations, we would fact-check them with the BBC World Service.

If the World Service said it, then it's true. Going back to my dad, I think of all, the things I've done in my career. It was the proudest moment for him when I started working here because of the weight that this organisation carries all across the world. And then being an outsider listening to the news, having it shape what we do to the point of when, for example, in Kenya, we had post-selection violence. We were listening to the World Service to know whether we should leave our houses or not. Because at the time, there was a lot of talk of how our media internally might be compromised, right? So having it shape your...

day-to-day decisions and what you see or hear of the world before you actually interact with it. And then being inside and meeting all these incredible people, it's opened my eyes more and not just to all the terrible things happening in the world because of what I do specifically, which is Solutions Journalism, all the wonderful things that the world can be. All right, I want to talk a little bit about Solutions Journalism. There's a view out there that it's not kind of real journalism, well, that it's maybe journalism light. That real hard-hitting journalism is about speaking truth to power and uncovering the dark, shadowy corners.

That's what journalism is, and I think shaped to a large extent by journalism, certainly from the 60s and 70s, from the Watergate era onwards. What do you think of solutions journalism now compared to say what you maybe thought it was when you first started this project? I'll be very honest. When I started, I was probably the biggest skeptic.

I was not sold on what it was as an idea. And I was talking to Amy the other day, and I mentioned that, Fix the News is one of the first platforms I interacted with when I started learning and immersing myself into the Solutions Journalism world. And then later on doing a course through the Solutions Journalism Network, not just to understand how it works on a day-to-day basis with what we do on the team, but also just really being able to empower and train other people to do it as well. Everywhere I go now, I call myself the Solutions Journalist Evangelist. I've become a bit of a preacher because coming from a point where,

I didn't believe in it, and then seeing how it can work. I absolutely am sold for so many reasons. I moved to the UK just before the pandemic, maybe like three weeks or something before the lockdown. Great timing. Great timing. I know. That needs a whole other session.

I need therapy for that. And, you know, I was such a crazy time. And you've come into this new space with so many dreams and hopes. And suddenly you're locked in. a house with your mother-in-law who's amazing for more than a year and trying to navigate a new space during a lockdown. But the thing that really stood out for me, I have two kids, three, if you count my husband.

But my five-year-old at the time, alongside what was happening with COVID, where in the UK we would get these daily updates at 5pm on how many people had died, how many new cases there were. Soon after that, there was a George Floyd incident that the murder in America that also then led to the Black Lives Matter movement. And a lot of that was on our screens.

And every day at five, almost like clockwork, we would tune into what was happening. And it was all this negative news that we were almost like subscribed to. But the thing we didn't realize was that our kids were consuming it as well. And one day, my five-year-old at the time asked, will the police beat us

the way they're beating other people on TV who looked like, us. And it was such a heavy statement for a five-year-old to bring to the table. And at that point, as a house, we decided to push the updates. But that's when I realized that we were consuming so much negative stuff. And I started to ask myself, is there anything different? Can we do news differently? Listen, I'm not saying that we need to do away with traditional news. I'm saying that we need to make room for solutions journalism. And we can do both alongside each other. In Norway, they've really included constructive journalism and solutions journalism as part of their way of reporting.

Because as journalists, we have forever thought that all we have to do is report and be the gatekeepers. But we have a responsibility to the people who we report to, who we leave depressed and sad, and we can do more. And solutions journalism is one of the big ways that we can actually start to do something different. There's something about Myra's personal story, hearing about how another journalist has come into this work. And those full circle moments from growing up, listening to the BBC on the radio, to then sitting in the UK with her own children, through COVID, watching the news and the impact of all of this negativity and that we need to do things differently. It's interesting to me to just hear so many of the same challenges

reflected back to us, the challenge to get solutions, journalism to be taken seriously, the idea that it's somehow not serious, it's not hard-hitting, or it doesn't expose things. And yet at the same time, she also was able to explain so beautifully why it is worthy and why it does matter. And in some senses, given the incredible weight of stories of death, disaster,

and division that are out there, bringing those solutions to a wider audience becomes in some ways even more important. What it feels like is finding another ally amidst a sea of unfriendly faces. And I think in this line of work, that goes a long way. You said that you shifted from Cynic to a solutions journalist and an evangelist. Was there one story or something that really accelerated that shift for you?

I remember this particular one quite early on about something called kangaroo mother care, which is bizarre and fascinating and beautiful. And it's really based on the way kangaroos take care of their young and how that idea is a concept that's now being used across the world to help people care for premature babies, especially in places where you can't get incubators or you have incubators but no electricity or the cost of actually being able to have your baby in an incubator

is just almost impossible. But having this skin-to-skin contact, 24-hour skin-to-skin contact, has saved the lives of so many people who are walking around our cities, our towns today. And it's such a simple idea. It costs nothing. And it's shown to have more benefits to the children

who actually go through the kangaroo mother care. And I remember speaking to this lady who had been doing this for years in Malawi. And she was quite tough and firm. And this is probably an interview that she had done a million times. And I asked her, similar to what you're saying, to just go back to the early days and a child who really benefited from it.

And hearing her kind of mellow and talk about how at the time babies didn't have a chance where she was working if a child is born prematurely, they would almost surely die. And then being able to later see this young child who was one of the first ones who went through kangaroo mother care, walk around, young adult now. It's really so inspiring.

And it reminds you that solutions can really come from anywhere. It can be simple but still impactful. You have covered so many stories across so many countries. Have you started to recognize patterns in how change happens? Well, the first thing about change is it's slow. Really slow. It can also be expensive, but it's possible. And then it's happening everywhere, which is really exciting.

There's always like a common thread that stands out for us. in almost every story. And this doesn't define people from where you come from or who you are. The story always stands out because of the individuals who come up with the solution, the ideas. These are like people who are passionate about change. They're determined, often with very little money to make a difference. They've gone through tough times sometimes and they want to see change.

And then they inspire others to actually be part of that change. So I think as far as a pattern is concerned, I think, that's the most inspiring bit and it just really does make what we do special. I'm curious about these people. You've interviewed so many of them. You've met so many people from so many different corners of the world. What is it about someone who tries to fix the world? What is at their core? Is there something that you can identify or something you can put your finger on? First of all, many of them are crazy in the sense that like, oh my gosh, you know, sometimes you hear people's background and what they're doing and you have to stop and say, how did that, how did you even get there?

They dare to think differently. There's something burning inside of them that doesn't really matter what you do or don't have or who's on board. You just keep going. And I think you often need that from what I've seen, especially at the early stages. Something I'm often worried about is when you have people who are so passionate and they drive the idea from the beginning. You do have cases when solutions don't live past the individual.

It's just sad to see because you'll hear about the background, you'll hear what happened before. But then because there isn't almost this legacy building and involving people in the community, you see solutions fizzle. But I think they're crazy, but they're crazy in a good way and they dare to think differently. And my goodness, the inspiration. Amy and I talk about this sometimes because we come across some of those people in our line of work as well. And one of the things that we've sort of identified is they just don't need your approval or your validation. They have such a quiet confidence and a congruence, I think is probably a better word. And it's really compelling when you're around it.

You want more. A hundred percent. And many of them I would also say are actually fueled by the rejection. When you've had so many moments of someone saying no, it just does something to push them forward. And you're right, it's not driven by what other people think or how other people feel. It comes from within. And when you have that, it's protected and it's harder for someone to put you down with your idea. And in many cases, when the idea doesn't work the first time, they'll push with a different one.

They'll change things and they'll keep going. You mentioned the kangaroo care story while we're on this topic of actual people. Are there one or two people who come to mind as we're talking about this that you can think of from the last few years? Oh, my gosh. Just whoever comes first. Oh, my goodness. This is like hundreds of people I've come across. It's like asking me to choose my favorite child.

I will say maybe quite recently, I've met a woman who is just so inspiring. She's a vet from Uganda, Dr. Gladys Kalema. And she's found an interesting and simple way to protect an endangered species, the mountain gorilla, by keeping the person. people around the forest healthy. It's a model that really, really works. We've seen something else that's quite similar in the Indonesian part of Borneo, where people can pay for their health care with saplings, with trees. And in specific regions, if the trees around you hadn't been cut down, then your health care was subsidized even further. And so people were then quite keen to one,

grow trees. And in Uganda, it's this model where they have health workers who, you know, check on the people who live quite close to the forest. They have community people getting involved in helping to herd the mountain gorillas back into the forest instead of the human-animal conflict that would otherwise happen. The gorillas, as we speak, have moved from critically endangered to endangered because of her work. I saw schools we were in Uganda earlier this year, where I was actually also put behind bars for a while, but that's a story for another day, because that also happens because that also happens with solutions journalism

and I did at the airport we spent a night behind bars and yes even when you're reporting about good things this can happen being able to go through that experience going into the country and then meet this remarkable woman travel to the other end of Uganda and go into this impenetrable forest

see the guerrillas in action see the work she's doing and then speak to her and see the humility and the drive that she has. Honestly, it's really inspiring. There are just so many people out there who are not driven by the amount of money they'll make. They've seen their purpose. They know their goal. And they're just driven by change. I am really interested about that story.

Okay. I'll start by sending you pictures. It was quite scary. Yeah. I'm not sure how much I can say, but we basically landed in the country at like 11 p.m. And we were held behind us until 11 a.m. the next day. I will say we had also gone into a country with cameras and recording equipment right after an election. So that was probably not the best time to go.

But we got the stories in the end. And I'm grateful that we did. They're amazing stories. That raises an interesting question, though. generally, do you find going into situations as a solutions journalist rather than a mainstream journalist? Is there a different response from people? Is there more trust? There is no trust because people don't know what solutions journalism is. We spend a lot of time educating people when we go on the ground especially about what we do

and how different that is from traditional reporting. And you have to do that initially to build trust. We will send our episodes to people in advance for them to listen to. We'll have to send questions, because especially when you go to an area as the BBC, everyone's expecting you to expose something. Last year, I went to Tanzania to report on solution stories, and we got there and the government said,

don't do anything. We got letters with our names from the government saying, you are not to report here. Even though prior to we had informed them about the stories we were going to do and how they were connected to solutions and positive things, it didn't matter because of the legacy of our organization and how we expose things that are not right. So we do a lot of trust building.

It's often easier with individuals who are directly behind the solution itself because they probably come across either our work or similar platforms like yours that talk about solution stories, so it's easier. But when we're interviewing people on the ground, there's a lot that we have to do to build that trust. Yeah, and my smile helps often. So where is Solutions journalism still falling short? If you look at the whole media landscape,

what still needs to be done? It goes back to what I was saying earlier. People don't know about Solutions journalism. It's existed for a while now, but they don't know. And I think the thing that comes to my mind that's quite vivid is I've, I've been lucky to have been invited to different institutions in the UK, for example, colleges, universities, where I've spoken about what we do on people fixing the world, but also about solutions journalism.

And in many cases, the students have never heard of solutions journalism. If we're going to try and grow this and actually create the change that we need in mainstream media, we need to be educating the next generation on what solutions journalism is. We need to be equipping them with what they need to understand how to report on solutions journalism. And that still isn't happening, which I think is quite sad. I think this should be a core subject in what people are learning now. We need to inspire younger people to think about what solutions journalism might mean. I have two kids in my house who understand it fully now because mommy forces them to listen to her stories every morning.

Sometimes people fixing the world stories are played in their school and, you know, they have an understanding. My son did like a letter to the local counsellor about deforestation the other day and after that I was able to have a discussion with him about some of the things, fascinating things we've come across around deforestation. We need to actually really target younger people, get them to understand, get the people who will be the next group of journalists to really appreciate what this is.

is and how they two can practice solutions journalism alongside traditional journalism. For anyone listening right now who might have younger people in their lives, do you have any advice for how you kind of introduce these kinds of stories into their life and into their media diet? Listen and subscribe to people fixing the world. I mean, actually speaking now as a mom, right, rather than someone who works for the BBC or reports on solutions journalism I think the first thing as an individual

as a parent you need to do is expose yourself as well to solution stories and actually be intentional about looking for platforms where you can get positive news alongside all the other negative stuff that's happening around you and when you start exposing yourself to that

one of the things that will happen is the algorithm rhythms will send you more. But really and truly, once you've understood and appreciated that, you can then help to communicate this to your children. You can then be able to tell them about the wonderful things that you've come across that are helping our world be better. And I think something we do as parents is we sometimes want to shield our kids from all the bad things that are happening in the world. I personally am against that. We're lucky at the BBC that we have something called News Round, which are these bite-sized news reports that are made for kids about what's happening in the world. And so when my kids watch Newsround and they hear about all the

terrible things, we're able to discuss those with them. And then I'm able to tell them about some of the things I've heard about that are making a difference. So it starts with us as parents, because kids really, they're like sponges. They feed off what we share, what we tell them, what we expose them to. And once you've exposed yourself, you start to get that feeling inside where you have hope. That's what it is, right?

And then you can then pass that hope on to your kids as well. Just as a little aside, we have a five-minute weekly podcast called News Fix, which is five minutes of all the good news stories in the world. So not news round, news fix. Oh, but we need more. We need more, is what I was saying from the beginning. They space for all of us and much more

because there's a lot happening. There's a lot happening. We live in this digital space that's fast, that's constantly informing us about everything that's happening around. And as we share videos or information about all the negative things that are happening around us, I would challenge anyone listening to also share anything positive that they're seeing in their area, in their community.

that might not qualify as solutions journalism, but I think it's one small thing, which I like to do on the program, give people something small, something that they can take away, something that they can do as well. So aside from exposing yourself to solution journalism stories,

you can also be mindful about sharing things that are actually improving your area, your neighbourhood, and that immediate space that you're in. All right. We have last question for you. Myra and Nubi, we know what the problems are. What's the remedy?

Well, aside from systematic change and policy and all these things we hear about all the time, I think based on what I've seen so far, it's collaboration, especially what we've seen with funding being cut in many parts of the world and how that's affected ideas that were doing really well to help people. I think we need to really explore collaboration at local level and then national level before we kind of go to international level. And I say this because many of the solutions we've come across that work that go further or faster involve a lot of collaboration, different partners coming together. I think it's probably one of the easiest ways to actually bring lasting change and get everyone involved.

Do I just have time for one quickly one? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I know how much this work has changed me. How has it changed you? Oh, that's a good question. First, I'll say it changes me every day because we go to different parts of the world every day. We meet new people every day.

We hear so many stories. Some are really difficult to listen to, and some are just beautiful and inspiring. It changes my view of the world. Even in my house, I'm always like, okay, what's a solution, right? I feel it's made me a lot more positive. The way I see the world now is very different from how I did, especially during those COVID years where everything was grim

and dark and lonely and sad. I see people differently. I see the potential we have if we just work together, love each other. It changes me every day, and it's still changing me. And I'm hoping that what I do can also help to change the people around me. I was really struck. One of the moments that kind of really stood out to me in our conversation

was how they still have to do so much work to get past the bad reputation that has been left behind by other journalists. And there's this idea that the news is kind of out to get you. They're trying to catch people out in order to get a story. And if you think about that as a profession, what kind of profession does that? And then you wonder why the whole world now suddenly has decided that the news is horrible and they're all tuning out

and that 40% of young people don't look or aren't interested in the news anymore and that trust in the media has fallen to all-time lows. It turns out that if you spend 30 or 40 years trying to catch people out, eventually people get turned off. And so I think journalism as a whole has maybe a little bit of soul-searching to do. You know what I realized? I never get tired of hearing these different stories. And it also really brought home the fact that there are enough solutions to go around

for lots of different people to be reporting on these stories. There is not this tiny little batch of solutions that we're all fighting over. It's so much bigger than what any of us realize, even those of us who are working in it. Yeah. Ultimately, I think that those stories are bigger and more powerful. powerful different stories of doom. And I think the long run will bear that out. But in the meantime, I'm hugely grateful to people like Myra

that they're out there doing that work. I look forward to every single time she releases an episode of People Fixing the World. She loves people fixing the world. We love people fixing the world. It's fixing away. We know there are a lot of podcasts out there. It means a lot to us that you chose this one.

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